Why Europe won and the U.S. lost the Ryder Cup | Golf Channel Podcast

[@pandcwilsonfry4543]

As a neutral watching from afar in New Zealand... I have to say I was horrified at the Caddy walking onto the green and celebrating like that. I have no problem with the hat waving, that was great from both sides. A caddy needs to know his place, and it is not front and center. No matter who you have worked for in the past. Then to engage with Rory after being asked to move away is incredible... and then the caddy turns and comes back for more... and then you can read his lips yelling and swearing at the European players who are objecting. He should be fined heavily and never appear in a Ryder Cup again. It made me want to cheer for the European team, so I did, and I am convinced it helped them win on the final day. A public apology at the very least is needed, but somehow I don't think Joe Lacava has it inside to admit he got it so so wrong.

[@markanderson8006]

Spot on. Joe is a top caddy like Steve Williams I can imagine Steve doing the same aswell it’s just human nature boiling over. The abuse the overseas players receive is disgusting. It’s the same in the states for the European players. The only thing I can suggest is to ban alcohol at least whilst the matches are taking part.

[@VLind-uk6mb]

@@markanderson8006 You seem very mixed up. Our friend from New Zealand is rightly, and severely, criticising LaCava. You seem to be defending him. There was no abuse of the visitors -- cap-raising was teasing, but harmless. Remember the abuse levelled at Montgomerie in particularly at Brookline, where the player/wives/caddies behaviour was a disgrace unequalled in modern golf? Do Americans not KNOW the etiquette of golf, where you do not get on a green until ALL players have finished playing the hole? Or do they just not give a *^%, their usual attitude?

[@oldmcdonald3376]

there is no etiquette in golf anymore. it's almost embarresing to watch. both sides. and it's not teasing if you keep it up for the entire 18 holes.would'nt bother me if they just cancelled it for a few years, but that won't happen@@VLind-uk6mb

[@lindsaynewell6319]

@@markanderson8006 Patrick Cantlay disagrees with you. He said he had no issue with the crowd and it was all good natured banter. Unfortunately I don't think Long Island crowds will keep it lighthearted in 2025.

[@NinjaOrchids]

Paul McGinley, from jump, questiomed the lack pf preparation pf the US team. Even before the RC started. He said that no one takes 5 and a half weeks off before a major.

[@spencerdobkin9479]

1. Europe played better - on and off the course. While the US says they were such a close knit group it's clear the Europeans are even closer and bond over the team format to a high degree. Europe just cares more period even when they lost in 21 you could see how upset they were. While Rory was over the top in how he acted that kind of passion helped his team on Sunday and they rallied by him. 2. US left off some players who were clearly playing better than Fowler, Thomas, Morikawa, Burns and Spieth (btw I am a huge Spieth fan but he didn't look good in the Fed Ex) and those players include - Lucas Glover, Bradley and you can argue Bryson and DJ.

[@WillErickson-1]

The issue with our US team is the excuse making…and sadly the media gets behind it as well. There is nothing wrong with the schedule. The Euros played warm up games… the US didn’t? Why?… Hold these guys accountable! But the truth is, the US guys think being friends with each other make them a great “team”. The Euros sacrifice and prepare for weeks (time, money, effort). That’s foundation for their play as well being a strong unit. What’s crazy to think is the US fans and media really do care more about the event than the US players themselves.

[@steveking8548]

From the US press conference on Sunday evening, it looked like the US won as they joked and laughed - just one big party whether they won or lost?

[@WillErickson-1]

@@steveking8548 100% I noticed the exact same thing. It’s almost as if they were pleased with the fact that they fought back. But the facts remain the same - USA legends are NOT born at the Ryder Cup, they’re born at Augusta and at US Opens. Until the USA start setting the Ryder as one of their gold standard measuring sticks - the event will never mean as much to them.

[@jimiverson3085]

No one on the US team was on the same level as Rahm, Hovland and McIlroy. Once a team in these events has three guys who are head and shoulders above, the other team is in a deep hole. Just for a bonus, Fleetwood and Hatton were an even match for anyone on the US team.

[@m1ndfunkk234]

Agreed I think your assessment is spot on. The European team leaders played better than the American team leaders. Also I will always maintain that this event just means more to the Europeans. Golf is such an individual sport and for many years the Euros had to build this team first culture to overcome the American teams. I mean they were so clearly not underdogs this go around but they maintain that mindset which works for them and strengthens team camaraderie. To the Europeans the Ryder Cup is like a major. I mean how often do you see less known European players just playing out of their mind in the Ryder Cup. For me the Ryder Cup and Presidents Cup matter very little. Team Golf doesn’t interest me much. Bottom line nothing but respect for the European team. They played wonderful golf.

[@lindsaynewell6319]

@@m1ndfunkk234 can you imagine the US locker room having a locker reserved for Jack or Tiger? The Euro's had a locker for Seve - he's like the 13th man on the team. It's all about the culture of playing for more than just yourself. Rose/Macintyre and Hovland/Aberg pairings showed that - huge disparity in experience and success but they are all treated as equals by each other and by the captain and vice captains. Seve is the only one treated as someone special because he was the one who put European golf on an equal footing with the US and paved the way for all the current generation to do what they do. I don't think the US team ever had that culture while Tiger and Phil were on the team and whatever worked in 2021 didn't make the trip to Italy this time.

[@staffan144]

@@lindsaynewell6319 whatever worked in 2021...? - Didnt Bryson DeChambeau (and possible another US player not invited this year?) bring home like 4-5 points in 2021?

[@LongbranchOlivetti]

It's funny listening to countless americans decide that the Ryder Cup needs to be "fixed" because they lost. We were not saying anything of the sort after Whitling Straits. This is just coming purely out of self interest and is complete twoddle.

[@casdevries7634]

We as journalists want it close or a blowout… how about just watching sport unfold and report without wanting to be the star yourself?

[@Kevin-lf4xx]

As a European I was delighted to see the US team without Bradley, Reed , DJ and Bryson.

[@AldoScotia]

The omission of Lucas Glover was a relief to me as a European

[@justwayne4785]

I was relieved Bryson wasn’t picked after watching how well he’s been playing, and he’s extremely passionate about team play.

[@TrisWood]

Fantastic 3 days of sport. Still the best competition in golf and one of the greatest sporting events going.

[@Dickie2702]

Since we became Team Europe in 1979 we have won 13 times the US have won 9 times. Not once in all that time have we ever come close to being the better team based on World Rankings yet still we have held the upper hand for 40 plus years? Since we last lost at home in 1993, we have recorded three away victories to your one. You guys dont need to look at changing anything other than your attitude and core beliefs, maybe there is a better way for you to select your team that better reflects the motivations of the European team. For put simply we are better at one thing and that is being a team rather than a group of individuals. We have always been greater than the sum of the parts.

[@amadan34]

I'm European, Max Homa was the MVP for USA

[@CamMacMastermusic]

The USA team was so lethargic that a caddy and a hat had to wake them up … sad day in American Golf. 😢

[@braydenboyko8525]

I love when people speculate and guess and then after they try to make their observations … one team played better . Period

[@TIMDELANEY-jf9ro]

Think about the locker for Seve in the Euro Team room!!! They are playing for the legend and to be legends...

[@CindyFagerstrom-d2t]

US Captain's picks 4-12-4. Turns out, there's only 8-10 world class players that can still putt under extreme pressure. Cantlay and Homa were outstanding on the green. Homa and his caddie showing the poise and forethought to take an unplayable in that situation. Priceless.

[@renatab8293]

All players can get a hot putter and all do. And all get a cold putter again. You cannot read too much into it, even though it is incredibly tempting to do so. SG:Putting is well documented as the least reliable win predictor.

[@WillErickson-1]

Homa came mentally prepared and inspired to do great. Honestly - the rest of the team really gave their best, but they just didn’t seem as bought in as Homa

[@pod1610]

Wonderful call from Homa and caddy. No panic, correct decision. Homa was exceptional

[@VLind-uk6mb]

@@WillErickson-1 Homa played Fortinet. He remembered what competitive pro golf was about. The 5-week vacationers just didn't.

[@davisanderson4274]

Homa was so humble in the press conference after, which speaks to his attitude toward the game. It makes his performance all that more impressive.

[@patrickmullen4499]

Why didn't the USA team play the irish open or at Wentworth. That's all the European's did. The more experience you get overseas, the better. Bioly Horshel has won over a tonne of european fans by going to a handful of dp world tour events. More Americans should follow his lead. Once the US Open is over in June, the US season is effectively over. Fed ex cup is just LIV. Vulgar money that fans just don't care about.

[@Me-lj1rk]

Nice backgrounds gentlemen! LOL. As for Rory...would love to see the same "fire in the belly" on tour...he's running "hotter" than I knew...Always felt he's underachieved...it's certainly inside him. Congratulations Europe! And Azinger is so off the mark consistently.

[@DrSprigs]

I think the crowd has far more of an effect on Home/Away performance's than the course. These are professional golfers who for the most part play PGA courses year round i don't think rough length really has the effect people think it does. Not to mention the USA team selection this year was really bad in some of the players they left out and the players they had playing together.

[@incitatusdelaruinalparaiso3166]

US people never understood what is the modern Ryder Cup. Europe is not there for money...other values, burn their hearts, my friends...

[@VLind-uk6mb]

I often saw British TV shows where a character would say, usually in disgust to some unwashed type, "You don't discuss BUSINESS on a golf course!" In the US, that's what golf is for. That basically sums up the difference between the two cultures. America is and always has been about money -- it was founded on a tax revolt, which continues to this day (explaining why you are the only country in the civilised world without universal health care) and the market. Europe is about civilisation, philosophy, art, enlightenment, values that go beyond the monetary value of everything. The European dream is peace. The American dream is financial. As for the Ryder Cup: there is no player on the US team who is not a multi, multi millionaire. That is not true of the European team: players like Aberg, Hojgaard and McIntyre have not made that much yet. Nobody needs money less than the US players do, yet they cannot seem to want to take a step without millions changing hands. There is professionalism, and wanting to earn what you deserve within that profession, and greed. The Europeans did not lose much, except future captains, when some of their players decamped to LIV: these were players whose careers, for the most part, were drawing to a natural close. But the US players who went were at the top of their game, massive earners already, and just went to see how far the Saudi Sovereign Fund would stretch to get them. It cost the US team some very good players. Koepka should never have been allowed on to that team, as it clearly bred some resentment. But if the PGA was prepared to have him, why not DJ, GOOCH -- the winningest player on LIV -- or even the reprehensible Reed, who is a Class A jerk but a Ryder Cup enthusiast who whips up team feeling like nobody else? As a European I'm glad they didn't, and I may be slightly relieved that the very on-form Bradley was overlooked to fit Koepka in. But the US has to make up its mind -- this PGAT-LIV deal is not done yet.

[@incitatusdelaruinalparaiso3166]

@@VLind-uk6mb And do not forget pistols in USA as constitutional right.

[@VLind-uk6mb]

@@incitatusdelaruinalparaiso3166 Well in the fundamentalist way you people read the Constitution. I prefer countries where thousands of people a year are NOT killed by pistol-packin' fundamentalists.

[@robch4414]

No-one forced the US players to take five weeks off. The issue for the US is that the players see themselves and their own schedules (and their $$$) as bigger than what the team needs, whereas the opposite is true of Europe.

[@markanderson8006]

Exactly DP world tour would’ve gladly took the 12 American Ryder cup players in the Irish open and bmw pga championship and they probably would’ve paid appearance money aswell.

[@DanielSong39]

@@markanderson8006 If JT wanted to prove worthy of a Captain's Pick he could have played in the Handa or the Czech Masters, a W would have made him a no-brainer pick

[@otomotom1879]

Because Europe put together a team mix of age experienced players, moral leader players with rookies (hungry to show service), and players that are on fire 🔥 recently. Things that Team USA lacked

[@oller7113]

Guys; I like your comments and the way you deliver them. Insightful, entertaining, salty . Congrats.

[@dougd120]

It is important to keep pitch with somebody who has a caddie whom is able to roll his lips around properly and it is important to have Rory convinced to move away sincerely is incredible in terms of his lips rolling.

[@whompthatsucker599]

What the heck, some players want to be paid to play in the Ryder Cup, well this is just ridiculous given the amount of money these top players earn, and this just confirms to me that these players just "don't get" what the competition is really all about

[@jimiverson3085]

Player of the year? If it isn't Rahm, it has to be Hovland.

[@VLind-uk6mb]

Of course it's Hovland.

[@jimiverson3085]

@@VLind-uk6mb Depends on how you weigh the different parts of the season. Rahm won 4 times on the US Tour early in the year, capping it with his comeback win at the Masters. He cooled down after that, but did have top 10 finishes at the US Open and Open Championship. Hovland was solid early in the year, then started an upswing by finishing T2 at the PGA. He then won the Memorial, BMW and Tour Championship (but based on starting strokes; he and Schauffle both shot 261 for 4 rounds at East Lake). So, Rahm had more wins and a better record in majors, while Hovland closed the year playing better and won more money. You can argue that both ways; I'd be inclined to pick Rahm for the major win but there is a case for Hovland.

[@VLind-uk6mb]

@@jimiverson3085 Yes: fairly stated. Fact is, those two and a resurgent McIlroy, who was also playing well in recent months, are in the top 4 of the OWGR. And yet the US team thinks they do not have to get off their backsides for five weeks to prepare to face them? Do they really not care at all, or are they that arrogant? It has to be one or the other, if not both.

[@truthseeker7649]

If, if, if…..yeah but they didn’t!

[@Twirl360]

Make the course easier for the away side by having neutral bodies set the course up? Since 1987 Europe's record away from home is won 4, lost 5. That is better than expected against more naturally talented American teams, home course setup is what makes it such a challenge for the players and exciting for the fans. This is not the issue, 2 years ago Europe got smashed as the team did not transition towards youth (due to a lack of talent coming through at the time) and the remnants of the great 2000's team's went 1 Ryder cup too far. All this against arguably the best US side in recent memory, home course setup just made it appear more obvious. Now both sides look young, talented and deep. 2 years time should be a great tussle.

[@DanielSong39]

They play the Italian Open on the same course in May and the USA players didn't play in that event 4 DP events between the FedEx Cup and the Ryder Cup and they didn't play in any of those either JT after missing the FedEx Cup and before the picks were announced kept begging for a Captain's Pick instead of going to DP and proving that he was in form Not much else to say

[@xslash10x]

Stop blaming it on the schedule. Europe just played better and they put out a better team. The elephant in the room that no one is talking about is the fact that US didn't select their best available players but instead formed a team of bros. Hope they all had a wonderful vacation in Italy.

[@edwinlambley2801]

If If If ... the reality is the American side lost and you could say they were lucky to get the points they did. Don't have a go at the European side playing before the Ryder cup as the American team were sat at home. It's called preparation. Bethpage Black will be set up for the home team and the support will be overwhelming for America that's just the way it is. The cap issue well if he want's paying and no player gets payment for representing their country/continent then no one is forcing him to play there would be a queue to take his place and a lot better players come to that.

[@TheOtherKine]

Europe won because they get along with each other and come together as a team, always. The US are all snippy individuals with noses in the air not looking after each other nor backing each other up when things are going bad. Luke knew this, the Euros know this. That is why Luke stated with the Foursomes to get that team fast-start that the US can't handle, they all would prefer to play Fourballs and Singles and hit their own shots than have to deal with the team aspect of having to make decisions together in Foursomes, and it worked like a charm for Luke. The US won't learn a darned thing from this, its animosity and hatred of LIV will continue to burn in their chests like a bad indigestion until somebody big steps up and says to let the animosity go, let it go, let it go....... FROZEN!!!! LMAO Until that happens, the US will always be like this. Even next time, at Home, it'll be a quagmire, unless the LIV guys are permitted back properly without hassle and the US Ryder Cup rules committee stops being d1cks with hang ups and says it doesn't matter what Tour it is, just pick the best team possible of the nation's best players. And I hope it continues to be a problem, as it is much more enjoyable to watch the Euros play well, entertain us all, getting together and winning it. Justin Rose was Player of the tournament for me, he played stellar and kept a steady ship.

[@Dickie2702]

But even without your LIV players your combined World Ranking was 154 against Europe's 360. But we have the secret weapon you will never have, Seve. In case you didn't know the European Players had a picture of Seve on the inside of their shirts behind the emblem. He was the founding father of European success in golf and the Ryder Cup and as long as we have his memory we will always be a better team than the US.

[@TheOtherKine]

@@Dickie2702 My LIV players? Not my LIV players, I don't care about Yanks LMAO The Ryder Cup should be cancelled anyway. Enough of the old-world colonial games they want to carry on, disguised as some sort of tradition when this "competition" was nothing but the old colonial powers using this game of golf as chest-huffing land-grab who's-more-powerful political tool than actual competition to show who's best and what fun golf can be blah blah blah, it ought to be expunged like all those representations of past colonial horrors like statues of nasty "leaders" hahahahahaha

[@andrewzielinski8845]

​@@TheOtherKineif it was done for that reason by the old colonial powers, they made a bad choice, for 50 years they got their asses ha ded to them most of the time, and had to bring in an entire continent to help out! Don't know if you can lump Ryder cup in with destruction of slaver symbolism.

[@VLind-uk6mb]

@@TheOtherKine Oh, God, the Woke have weighed in. Proving that it is just another wack-o American idea that, most unfortunately, seems to have a lot of people in its pig-ignorant grip.

[@jimiverson3085]

There was some tailoring of the rough, though. The deep rough was really deep - hacking the ball out was the best outcome. And the spectators weren't allowed in the areas well off the fairway. That was a killer for Spieth - he couldn't pull off his magic iron shots after hitting wild drives. And he was certainly hitting wild drives.

[@neilpountney9414]

Simple fix, stay out of the rough its not rocket science

[@jimiverson3085]

@@neilpountney9414 Yes. But on the US Tour, the current strategy is to bomb a driver, assuming you can recover when it goes offline. You'd think guys at that level could adjust, but it seems to give them trouble. And Spieth hasn't really been an accurate driver for years, if ever.

[@lindsaynewell6319]

and that's why DJ and Bryson would have been terrible picks despite the LIV fanboys delusional claims.

[@anchaleekeamkeaw3552]

Am I to believe the Ryder Cup needs unacceptable behaviour? This is a sporting event where the competition should be paramount.

[@CindyFagerstrom-d2t]

$540 mil in revenue. Wow! This ain't your father's Ryder Cup. What a great stadium venue. Players continued to miss short sided on the approaces and greensides with severe slopes day after day. #16 can't miss it right, #17 can't miss it left. But the best players in the world did.

[@stryderja9570]

Tell you players to play closer to the rider cups. Nothing you can do about crowds. Rory is correct. Leave things alone.

[@justwayne4785]

What exactly was stopping team USA from getting together in the US and playing together during those weeks off they had? What stopped them from travelling to Europe a week early to play together? The venues are setup in the extreme, no European or US player plays in those conditions normally, besides European and US players for the most part travel to Europe or the US regularly to play, so putting such emphasis on home venue setup is an cheap excuse, it definitely seems to be more of an excuse for team USA than Europe.

[@philstevens9914]

I don't say any US caddie involved stepping forward and making any comment. That says it all! That said, the Europeans had the Ryder cup won BEFORE this incident even happened.

[@webMonkey_]

Little to no credit given to the Europeans, this is why the rest of the world pulls against the Americans, the arrogance is sickening. same course, same conditions, the key difference is the crowd, preparation and the underdog mentality.

[@robgom777]

The guy who opened up the video needs to work on his delivery. It’s a podcast. Not a news room. Too many pauses, exaggerations, and word emphasis. Just be natural.

[@thelammas8283]

They played better?

[@comalley5064]

Bethpage Black is gonna be carnage.....thinking of how Sergio got ridiculed for his re-gripping when they had the US Open there. A lot of Irish in New York so may have some European support but its gonna be feisty at Bethpage.

[@CindyFagerstrom-d2t]

Spieth's setup looked different than any other player there. At address his arms almost looked like he was in a straight jacket. His ball striking was way out of wack. As bad as I've seen from him.

[@brbob4934]

I heard on Sat afternoon he prob shot 80+ on his own ball. Spieth and JT should've been Glover and Finau.

[@josephboza7448]

Jordan became a dad for the 2nd time September 12th. I am not surprised he didnt do well. I was surprising he was a captains pick. If not for Jamie Weir starting shit with that tweet Rex and Lav would have been home already. If anything people were probably shocked that it went till NOON before the cup was retained. We got 3 1/2 hours of LIVE from 12pm-1pm on NBC and 1pm-330pm on Golf Channel. JT is JT. Rory was flat out pissed I bet cause Europe needed Sunday singles. they split today with US.

[@oldmcdonald3376]

i was on the wagon about j.t. but he played pretty darn good. speith was a mess. he's been a mess for several years now. he is a middle of the pack player these days

[@SkinnyPe]

i.... were they slammimg each other? i have no idea what they were saying

[@MrBeau101]

It’s sad to say but I genuinely think a monetary incentive for the yanks might lead to better performances. They just don’t seem that interested in doing the prep required for RC’s in Europe.

[@VLind-uk6mb]

Well doesn't that just explain the difference between the US and everyone else. The Europeans continually talk about how this event matters to them because they are playing for more than themselves. And they mean it -- back in the day, when the Euro Tour had the Seve Trophy (GB&I v. Continental Europe), journeymen players who knew they could never make RC teams strove hard to make their Seve Trophy side because they KNEW that there was no feeling like it. That event faded out, but more recently they have established the Hero Cup, which is the same format, and this year featured a lot of players who were hoping to catch the eye of Donald -- who was all over it -- when it came to RC picks. And it worked for some of them.

[@enorth15]

Put this loss on Zach Johnson. He choose players that were buddies with other players....i.e. Sam Burns buddy of Scottie S., Ricky, JT and Jordan all buddies. Should have chosen DJ, DeChambeau, Keegan, Reed or Talor Gooch.

[@adrianalley700]

Even a guy like Finau I would have liked to see get a shot

[@greatwhiteshark9192]

Spot on...we still probably would of lost though

[@lindsaynewell6319]

Check out BDC's driving stats and DJ's putting stats this year and then look up how they and Reed did in Paris in 2018 (when Reed was Masters champ and DJ was world #1) and see if you can still convince yourself they would have made a difference. Agree that Keegan deserved a pick over any one of Jordan, Rickie or Sam. Gooch would have been a real wildcard - 3 LIV wins but MC in 2 majors and T34 in the other in 2023.

[@labkl253]

The prep was pretty weird, but its as simple as the euros just balled out. better team by a mile. winning on the road is seriously hard in this thing.

[@Labgorilla]

Since 1993 europe have won 10 Ryder cups. Several ‘on the road’ . This is bitterness talking. Like the solheim cup loss. Change the rules please because we lose so much.

[@labkl253]

@@Labgorilla Bitternes? im british? in the last 12 Ryder cups 2 have been won by the away team. how are you arguing with this?

[@VLind-uk6mb]

@@labkl253 And in both cases the Away team was European. Winning on the road is seriously hard for a team that 1) played nowhere for 5 weeks (a couple of honourable exceptions, and it showed); 2) did not all bother to turn up for a team recce of an unknown course -- while the Euros did, on a course many of them knew and two had won on, and used it as a bonding exercise as much as a recce; 3) are concerned about not being paid because they are so strapped for a million or so that they hate to take yet another week off without getting paid; 4) think they are so much better than their opponents -- despite them having numbers 2, 3, 4 and some others in the top 10 in the world -- who have been competing in strong events, like the European PGA Championship, and doing extremely well while the so-much-better entitled, arrogant Americans loafed around their pools and in their gated communities in Fla. Yeah. Winning away is hard.

[@johnkollias6782]

Does everybody remember the great gesture of Jack Nicklaus giving the putt to Tony Jacklin in 1969? That was what the Ryder Cup was all about at that moment, because things changed dramatically over the next decade and it was 1979 when Jack recommended allowing all continental Europeans be allowed to play in the Ryder Cup. Since then, it has been growing into the huge conglomeration of golf we now see. Of course, it's great to see the fans at each venue get so involved, and much of the golf being played is remarkable, but this event has really gotten over the top now with the media making up stories to create 'hatred' within the competition. That is not what the Ryder Cup was supposed to be about. It's supposed to be a great competition involving (supposed to be) gentleman. Too much pomp and circumstance has been put into this competition. The amount of money generated for this event is phenomenal. Can't even imagine how much money is spent by each team. After all is said and done, ONE TEAM WON AND THE OTHER TEAM LOST.

[@SiLoMixMaster]

Homa went 5-0 at The President's Cup so I fully expected him to play 5 and be one of the best players on the team. JT has played terrible all year and I fully expected him and Spieth to be pretty useless which they were.....this is why so many people were not happy with the Captain's picks because it was clearly just a buddy system and you had to be in a #BoysClub to get picked and better players like Bry58n, DJ, Reed, Glover and Keegan clearly were not invited into that #BoysClub - winning was not the biggest worry for Zach, including all of his friends for a bro trip to Rome was the main priority.

[@lindsaynewell6319]

BDC is 39th out of 48 in fairways on LIV in 2023 and DJ is 31st in putting. How would that have helped the US win? And Reed was Masters champ in 2018 but go check how he did at RC in Paris that year. Keegan should have been picked. Glover maybe. Finau maybe (but 2023 form wasn't great). Cam Young maybe. Not playing for 5 weeks (except Max, JT and Brooks) was crazy.

[@markanderson8006]

In 2 years time the Americans will be overwhelming favourites. The home crowd make such a massive difference. They trick the course up to favour the Europeans. You can’t underestimate Eduardo Molinari and his stats. I honestly don’t think any combination of 12 Americans could’ve won against that hostility. Lessons to learn for 2 years time I would say nothing. The lessons to learn for the Americans in 4 years time in Ireland is for the Ryder cup to take place only 2 weeks after East Lake and for all 12 guys to visit the course a month or so beforehand. If any of them say no then they’re off the team. I can’t see the Irish open being played on the same venue.

[@ThirdEye...]

Why we win the most of it? Cause Europe is simply The Best!

[@CamMacMastermusic]

On the verge of a come back, and Rickie Fowler gives the whole tournament away. I know the odds weren’t good, but still. That was ridiculous.

[@VLind-uk6mb]

Be fair -- apparently he was unwell. And I speak as a European fan.

[@jakethomas5741]

you go on about home course bias - its complete bollocks. 10 of the European team play on the PGA tour. US players should have played at Wentworth - they are in charge of their own schedules. It's a pathetic excuse. The US team were not prepared and it showed. Fail to prepare, prepare to fail. If Americans are so good at golf they should learn to hit it on the short stuff. It's not that difficult. You also picked players by name and reputation rather than form. You didn't pick Keegan Bradley (gritty), DeChambeau, DJ, Taylor Gooch, Lucas Glover (who won 2 of the closing tournaments -and therefore in great form - but you went with the mates of the players - JT, Spieth, Burns et al. Zach Johnson was a hopeless captain and was already 2 down after the speeches at the opening ceremony. Luke Donald was so much more concise, and calm.

[@steveking8548]

And you don't think the crowd in the 2022 Ryder Cup was vicious to the Euros???

[@VLind-uk6mb]

Wait till Bethpage. Those people are certifiable at the best of times.

[@steveking8548]

@@VLind-uk6mb Yeah, wait till the Euros smile, remain respectful AND kick the American ass in New York.

[@VLind-uk6mb]

@@steveking8548 Looking forward to it. And, quite frankly, if the Americans don't learn a few lessons from this one, they will be asking for it. But surely even those selfish and greedy individuals will realise that you have to prepare before you take on another team -- especially when the very concept of teamwork sticks in your craw. They only have to look at their colleague Homa -- he's the one that played recently, and he was the best of the lot of them.

[@Essydyk]

Course set-up is part of the home advantage - nobody asks the players how they want majors set up so it's not exactly new. Being under prepared is totally on the US team members. Max Homa put the effort in to be match sharp and he was the best US player. JT played because he finished outside the top 70 in the Fedex. The rest phoned it in and it showed the first couple of sessions.

[@PaulCross-d4p]

US team was VERY under-prepared.

[@VLind-uk6mb]

@@PaulCross-d4p Can you imagine the arrogance? That looks at a team with three of the top four players in the world on it and says "who needs to practise?" God, those guys are full of themselves. I hope the crow they dined on during the charter flight home choked them.

[@laronda10]

Collin missed some brutally easy putts

[@terrenceseeto9542]

Thats his M.O. Can't handle pressure with an audience.

[@lindsaynewell6319]

Hmm. Can you point me to your podcast where you argue for changes to the Presidents Cup to make it more competitive? If Billy Horschel can play in the Irish Open, BMW and French Open then why can't anyone on the US Ryder Cup team play at least one of those events? Max and Cantlay delivered (and did it with class in a hostile environment - shame JLC didn't follow his boss's example). Harmon and JT did better than most expected. Xander, Scottie, Brooks, Collin, Rickie, Jordan, Clark and Burns were all disappointing. The cup was lost on Friday.

[@laronda10]

Think how cool of content it woulda been to see something like Rory v Bryson. like two of the best drivers of the golf ball ever, going head to head while still having vary different styles. And to add on top of it what two better players to emulate the PGA v LIV drama.

[@robch4414]

We had Brooks competing for LIV. 9 and 7 defeat.

[@VLind-uk6mb]

@@robch4414 Brooks...Brooks is always and only about Brooks. He prattled the talk at the press conference but you could practically see the gun at his head. Ironically, he was one of the few US players to have touched a club in anger in the last 5 weeks. Didn't hold him in good stead on Saturday morning, when he got waxed by a kid fresh out of school.

[@lindsaynewell6319]

ha ha ha. Bryson is 39th in fairways on LIV in 2023. 39th out of 48. He would have been a terrible pick for RC the way the course was set up.

[@mitchellhodges3029]

The real winner is golf

[@oldmcdonald3376]

it was never tight after the first session

[@dwaynekoblitz6032]

I'm going to go out on limb and GUESS that it was they scored more points than us? That world #1 got his ass WHOOPED?? That Hovland and Rahm were untouchable? That our captains failed?? Hmm?? What about all of that and a lot more?? We sucked! The Europeans deserved to win since they were CLEARLY playing better golf. Congratulations to them. See ya at Bethpage black in a couple years. Enjoy your well earned victory.

[@jimmyculp8756]

I'm not an expert, but the cup was won the first session, first day! The Europeans were ready to play and we were not!

[@drmike329]

We got our asses whipped because we didn't pick the guys who are hot at the time. Lucas Glover, Keegan, Bradley, JT and spieth shit the bed

[@ducati916SPS]

We need a strong better US team, the Ryder Cup deserves a closer competition.......that said we love beating US team 🇪🇺🇪🇺

[@tailendcharlie5055]

Is the Ryder Cup the pinnacle for US golfers, as it is for Europeans? I'm not sure. If a pro golfer needs to be paid to turn up, i suggest it isn't

[@paulgilliland2992]

Tell Rex and Lav to stop using inappropriate verbs . It’s not galvanize it’s coalesce.

[@two-nine7730]

Content Business.THAT is the problem.

[@jimmyculp8756]

Why was he going after Bones, then? I wish Shane had not held him back, C how tuff he really is? I think he was hoping Shane would hold him back?

[@justwayne4785]

It’s been explained countless times, even by Rory himself, and he apologised to Bones not long after. Maybe do less thinking and a bit more research.

[@oldmcdonald3376]

it used to be a friendly compitition. now it's ugly and has been since the war by the shore and it will just get worse

[@jbull7126]

It has to be the team play aspect Obviously the individual American players are just as good and probably better if you go by world rankng.

[@petergoodelle291]

where was captain america? Patrick Reed should have been there.

[@glenngouldification]

USA didn’t need Captain cheater. Things would have been way worse !

[@VLind-uk6mb]

There are times when I am positively grateful to LIV.

[@CamMacMastermusic]

Play the Ryder Cup in Georgia at that most challenging course in the world.

[@jimiverson3085]

That golf course is closed now and won't be open until November.

[@greatwhiteshark9192]

​@@jimiverson3085It doesn't close for another couple weeks...I played it last Friday

[@Les-vp8si]

Ole Ole Ole Ole ,,,, OLE OLeee !

[@gbc7344]

Why is it whenever the Americans lose there has to be a mass-debate ( pun intended ) as to why?..it’s such bullshit ..the better team won end of story..when Europe were hammered last time in the states they just blamed their own performances and got on with trying to do better next time.That said I was really impressed with Max Homa..USA mvp no doubt.Joe LC was completely out of order and should man up an apologise just as Rory did to Bones who was just in the wrong place at the time.

[@awimbaweh5794]

Oh there we go, 9.32 in. 1-0 to me.

[@FantasySportsZen]

Brooks. Koepka. There, I answered it for you.

[@otomotom1879]

Europe had Lowry, Rose, Tommy and Mcilroy as of age experienced and moral leaders, the voices of the team that supports the youngers and rookies of the team. Viktor had a bit of that + he is on fire this season. And What abt USA ? I see only JT with voice experience leader to galvanize the team...that's not enough. All the others look like non leaders' quiet voices. And no experienced guys as of age. I see Brooks, Scheffer and Spieth (Spieth is out of form this season) more like leaders in playing area only. Not galvanizing leaders. DJ, Keegan, Glover and Bryson have either experience / on fire and should have been picked instead of Spieth, Burns, Fowler and Morikawa.

[@thundercrack88]

Maybe Presidents Cup is USAs level 😮

[@casTingcall07]

Because they had public course green speeds lol.

[@DonQ]

The US will have a chance when they have an answer for Rahm, Rory, Hovland. Go EU!

[@padysrini9955]

Spieth driving and morikawa putting - main reasons for loss.

[@golfbbqandwatches]

The timing of the event is a bull shit excuse for team USA. Plenty of opportunity to play competitive golf and prep for the Ryder Cup. I agree there needs to be a shake up of responsibility of course set up and location. We’ll continue to see home teams win every 2 years and it will get old quickly. Love to see an experiment where the tournament is taken to a neutral location (Melbourne Sandbelt I’m looking at you, Royal Melbourne in particular) and course set up is handled by an independent body. No course favouritism, no crowd favouritism, a level playing field. This would be a true test of skills and the best team would win. Won’t happen in this lifetime though 😕

[@lindsaynewell6319]

of course it won't - the TV audience is in US and Europe so hosting RC in Melbourne would be an *interesting* idea.

[@bowlingarry]

Man...I'm a God dam european and y'all need to remember the US team had fun .. that's what matters

[@brbob4934]

Fun's great. Would the Euro team lose and be happy they had fun? Think not.

[@VLind-uk6mb]

The Americans did not look as if they were having fun.

[@bekgirl805]

Hit the fairway put the ball on the green stay out the rough 🤥

[@stryderja9570]

Many said that JT/JS were no longer a good pairing. His career was defined by good fortune. It's run out.

[@oldmcdonald3376]

they all play the same course

[@butchcassidy1997]

Jordon just needs to retire and enjoy his life with his family.

[@kel9796]

I didn't know Rory was such an emotional wank. Lacava went too far, but good grief Rory, how long do you need to stretch out your grievance about a guy who delayed your putt reading to bark back at hecklers? If Rory could only have someone get him as mad and excited about a major as he is for the Ryder Cup.

[@oldmcdonald3376]

cantley is so slow. the pga needs to start cracking down on players like him and bryson, and used to be furyk. i could not watch furyk play.

[@banjobenson9348]

Fowler had both hands around his neck , they need to loose him.

[@butchcassidy1997]

It is awful of y’all to say you want more Animosity is horrible! With all that going on in the world and the hate in the world , you two want hate between this event. Shame on both of you both.

[@lancegiles1918]

You two should fight.

[@butchcassidy1997]

Rory missed the putt because of event. Look at the whole film and see how much time Rory had to line up his putt and give the percentage it is to make that distance of a putt. He just missed it. Poor, poor Roryn😢

[@coolcustomer8131]

overall us team no show, not true team!!

[@TheJazzper1970]

Maybe some recency bias going on in terms of European teams in the US. Just because the last RC in the US was a blow out doesn't mean they are all blow outs. If the RC in two years time is a blow out then maybe there is a problem. Having said that I think I agree with more neutral course set-ups.

[@oldmcdonald3376]

if scottie had won ,i don't believe it would have made any difference. your putting too much emphasis on emotion

[@Dickie2702]

You seem like you know what you are talking about, but you conveniently forget about the Travel Reatricti9ns that left Europe with virtually zero supporters at Whistling Straits. You dont think that had any bearing on the margin of victory?

[@oldmcdonald3376]

rex is easily offended

[@greatwhiteshark9192]

Brooks to be captain for next 10 Ryder cups 💪

[@VLind-uk6mb]

Hardly the most collegial of gofers.

[@dereckguilfoyle1219]

USA didnt have their best team end of, no DJ, Bryson, Reed, Gooch, Glover, or Keegan

[@Dickie2702]

So the team you put out had a combined World Ranking of 153 as opposed to Team Europe of 360 and you couldn't come close.

[@dereckguilfoyle1219]

@@Dickie2702 world ranking points are a joke, they are inaccurate and screwed to the pgatour, an Asian tour player has to win 20 events in a season to get into the top 50 according to the criteria. OWGR is clown world rankings

[@Dickie2702]

@@dereckguilfoyle1219 Before LIV when all players were part of the same ranking system never has Europe come close to being as good on paper than the Americans, world rankings, titles won, majors etc. What you just don't seem to get is that we are a better team, greater than the sum of it's parts. Get over it and find a way of selecting players who can mirror our ethos and you might stand a chance. You have a great bunch of individuals we just have a great team!