Why Everyone HATES Jungle & Support (It's NOT What You Think!)

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[@MixalisEam]

When it comes to spamm pinging, you have to assume they’re playing locked cam, so pinging directly on the objective doesn’t work, you want to ping on their head then the objective to make it a little clear for the “bots” that you’re pinging them. That will increase the effectiveness of your pings by at least 25% “proven”.

[@turnergaudi4831]

Same

[@MrLolguy93]

As a Jungle and Supp main, it's a near constant battle against losing my mind

[@dragongeek8676]

I feel ya as a support main it is our job to set others up for success but my adcs never listen to my spam pings that the enemy mid and jungle are about to gank then they get mad because they wanted to auto tower.

[@kalenwheeler123]

If those are your two main roles, then I'm sorry to say, but you've already lost your mind long ago.

[@wzt9376]

Agreed

[@zsomborszigeti6797]

@@kalenwheeler123 honestly I feel like adc's are the ones who lost their minds and jg supp's are the one's who have to try make them atleast try to win

[@minty1312]

@@kalenwheeler123 well I mained sup because I suck at csing. Then I started maining jungle because it was surprisingly more chill than support imo. Then I just started to only play aram because fuck all that.

[@thecaptainatlas]

As a jungle and support main, this is absolutely true. I’m grouped up with a bunch of randoms in Bronze/Silver and I can for sure say that some of the most important qualities to have are PATIENCE and ADAPTABILITY.

[@nullix3327]

As an adc main id like to say that I appreciate you and everyone can have a bad game. Thank you for filling these positions :)

[@MrKaappimorso]

This. Ya gotta have the patience of a saint, especially when your adc is a Jhin who runs it down to ult enemy Morgana from point blank range.

[@BouncingTribbles]

As a jungle main I honor the support more often then not. Especially if they actually have a vision score and kill participation. I love honoring a 20 asisst support when their adc has 20 kills

[@darkgoblin5681]

Chad support appreciator 👌🏻

[@carbonbeaker409]

half the time as support, I honor the jg, cause for the most part, that's the only person I can help scale when I have an adc walking up blind.

[@Aventrixmusic]

@@carbonbeaker409 bro fr I always end up roaming with the jungler while my adc complains in chat because they are losing

[@kojiro5251]

my adc always gets the honors when im supp and my supp always gets the honors when im adc :c adcs can be good too

[@Aventrixmusic]

@@kojiro5251 I honor my ADC unless they hard feed them I honor the guy that carried us XD

[@Mermzies]

Glad to have been doing this both in jg and support, I've learned to never expect to get even the bare minimum in solo queue , not even basic stuff like warding so I just play around what my teammates are trying to do along with their skill level while trying to make their plays more feasible. It also makes me less tilted because I barely expect anything, just pleasantly suprised when they're actually looking to set up plays lol

[@raphaelnej8387]

I m a toplaner and I had this game where we were winning and sieging top and bot as mid was already down. I was bot with sivir and the 3 other were top. For some reason they started fighting top and I was incredibly surprised that my sivir did not straight up left me to go participate in a theorical fight that should be disengaged anyway. I took tower and inib with sivir and we rotated top together. I had this rare feeling of having an ally be on the same page about objective taking. Most of the time they hit or run at what is closest, without any overall gameplan to win the game. Not taking objectives with a purpose but for the sake of taking objectives, not fighting for a purpose but for the sake of fighting. was happy

[@brianlegrand9825]

Top laner: constantly shoved to enemy turret and dies to 3 ganks Top laner: "gg must be nice having a jungler"

[@Ophelios]

I get ganked 9 times, and roamed 4 times in 18 minutes, and in 1 game. Still don't complain about my jungler how people are like this still don't understand.

[@ryanpower1291]

Also top: still has placed no wards and never responds to missing or danger pings

[@aoisora1445]

sometimes being ganked 3 times you can still trade even... cause ganks share xp and sometimes junglers funnel or tax a large minion wave so in most cases when you are pushed with large wave and ganked, you can just 1v1 the jungler, so if enemy follows up he tanks minions and even if they kill you, he may have to back and in that case you trade even while jungler also wasted time in top while both topsare now even if you get a cs lead from it not counting shared xp for any minions dying during the gank

[@eloelo6944]

@@aoisora1445 you are NOT trading even. Dude in top it's usually over after one kill lmao. Plus the enemy jungler wasting time? Mine probably dived and fed on another lane in the meantime.

[@TheRockhound119]

As a midlaner on average I have the enemy jungler try to gank me about 6 or 7 times every game during laning phase(They think marksman = easy target even though it is ranged assassin), and on average they succeed once. It is different if I can hit them while they are farming raptors, as then I gank the jungler.

[@pulsarhappy7514]

Honestly the hardest is for junglers, there's really only the adc that is going to blame you if he thinks you're playing poorly as a support. While jungling, even though you can be in 6/0, your midlaner/top/adc can still spam ping you because he's been solo losing his lane. That is pretty insane how people find ways to believe that they are not inting on their own.

[@qazweriopkoilj]

It is called collective responcibility. Just disable chat if you play as jungler.

[@glenndiddy]

I've had games where I am 5-2-3, the enemy jungle is 0-4-2 and somehow the total team score is 9 - 18 in the enemy teams favour. Yes I do still get hit with the jungle gap, even though I am there for 90% of kills and am also the only one not actively inting. That's the jungle life, you gotta just take their mouse and keyboard and play the lane for them at this point

[@IlliaBrianyk]

After that, you would flame your lane because you got invaded, lol. All jungle players need a HUGE reality check

[@pulsarhappy7514]

@@IlliaBrianyk I never flamed anyone, but I had to mute all a lot of games when I grinded ranked

[@VoidHeart56]

This is why I like playing enchanters. I spend the whole game bailing my teammates out of their terrible decisions and they actually notice it because they see their healthbars drop, so they know they would've lost the fight on their own. My favorite part of League is when a teammate pings me and types "how am I still alive"

[@Sluppie]

I get a lot of love for my Sona healing even though all I'm doing is being in the right place at the right time and mashing W. It's great.

[@fragglerocker8316]

I had the exact situation that Kha' had twice in one game. Playing Ekko I got into the opponents botlane Tribush and pinging as many time as the game would possibly allow I pinged I was coming in. I stunned both champions as they tried to retreat around the mid lane mark, got the ADC to half life and then realized my ADC and support were just farming... Luckily I got out alive. So I come and do it again like 5 minutes later, same exact result. so I ask in chat "How many pings do I need to do to get you guys to react to anything I do for you?" and they replied "Learn to jungle." .... what? Learn to jungle, they were perfect ganks and you guys afk'd minion killing... how is that me being a bad jungler? But like you say, people have to eat their own ego to admit they were wrong, which is especially tough in lower elo.

[@1hit2hitown]

there is no point to use chat or pings. Jungle is a horrible role to climb. Pick another role.

[@pearse2944]

Well some times you have to try think of what the laners want, sometimes they don’t want a wave crashing into their tower and need to farm it or don’t want to fall behind in xp because not every gank is a definite kill or double kill

[@FFNOJG]

@@1hit2hitown jungle has far and away the most agency on the map. jungle gets the most hate because laners are the worst players who have 0 map awareness, and maco. too busy missing cs to realize a gank is coming

[@fragglerocker8316]

@@pearse2944 3 minions when up by 20 is not important. But sure.

[@pearse2944]

@@fragglerocker8316 still good to maintain that lead tbh, and you never mentioned them having a lead did you

[@RyutaShinohara]

Worse of maining support is that I get blamed for following my team's plan because I am not able to have a plan of own. If the team does a flawed plan to get dragon and it is successful, claps go to team, but if the plan fails even though I pinged and denied vision, it is somehow my fault.

[@babaspector]

stay strong my fellow support main. vision control with teammates who won't cooperate is hell.

[@raphaelnej8387]

I get a lot of fun when I have yuumi on me and when I go deep to place a ward, my yuumi wards the bushes on the way, but also the bush I ward. I feel sorry for the yuumi players that have to deal with unpredictable ally and somehow make the best out of it.

[@Darkstormsun9865]

you kinda have to find a balance for it just like the guy does here with karma. you have to follow your team while having an idea of your own within that plan such as flanking, hiding in bushes for an ambush pick or denying vision when your team wants to play for dragon. But at the end of the day you should save yourself if you think its really flawed and see if it is going bad. even pro players leave their adcs to die if there is no saving them. if you were wrong and see that you could have prevented a bad result then you can learn from that mistake and make a difference in a future play. honestly though do not feel bad, most people dont have a mind of their own and if they do they have no idea why makes an idea good or bad.

[@ciastkod8502]

As a supp main, I think most tilting thing on rankeds is haveing ADC that blame you for everything, even if you are in base

[@tiltedbybox6118]

*especially if you're in base*

[@yulian545]

I'm playing adc rarely. But i can't stay calm when my sup pick Soraka and pressing only W sitting in bush while i need to carry 1v2

[@GrEEnF1Re1]

Bro i got an ADC pinging me for taking minions...I had the fucking runic shield...I swear ADC players are a special breed of idiots, he followed with the "If you keep killing minions ill afk!!!" like how the fuck am i supposed to finish runic shield if i dont take minions?

[@eloeden2056]

tons of adc below plat are delusional though. I agree that some match ups are hard, especially if u're behind in farm but the stuff i would see sometimes, as a plat support with pretty good winrate on my main champs, is wild

[@iurifrazao454]

@@yulian545 Not to mention the Morganas who uses Q then go behind tower expecting you to solo farm for 10s. Idk, maybe they think they are a bee and suddenly die after stinging?

[@cyberneticbutterfly8506]

More generally some people are just unable to overcome their emotions for an idea. Anything bad happens in game just let it go. Lux feeding mid deliberately 0-15? Mute her and let it go. Play to win anyway. All teammates bashing her instead of muting her? Mute them and let it go. Play to win anyway.

[@adcyuumi]

For everyone I've helped to climb the ladder, this has been my advice: 1 - If you see a play you want to make, ping ONCE; never more, you'll just annoy teammates. If teammates do not move to help with the play, abandon the play rather than try to force something that isn't there. You will die a lot less. 2 - When possible, let teammates call the plays. As soon as they ping, move to support their play. Even if you think the play is a bad idea, move to cooperate and find out by attempting the play. Either it works and you learn that, or it doesn't and your teammate learns that. But you both learn nothing if you ignore the ping, and now your teammate is irritated at you. 3 - When you are the ADC in lane, do NOT make plays. Your support will make the plays. They aren't busy farming. This means they will have a better sense of where the enemy jungler is than you do. And typically, your support has better tools to start an engagement than you. When you see your support make a play, you go in immediately to make the play work. Only if it's clear that your support is trying to force plays over and over do you stop backing their call. Let the support do their early game job, which is to win your team bot-lane. 4 - Pretend your jungler doesn't exist. If you NEED them to come to your lane, it's a bad lane for them to bother with. The jungler wants to help winning lanes steamroll the game, not save a lost lane. That doesn't mean that it's bad for a jungler to come to your lane... but it's up to them, not you, to decide if you are a lost cause or not. You can't expect/demand help. 5 - Never use the ? ping. It has no useful function other than irritating your own teammates - RIOT is an idiot to even have it in the game. Use literally any other ping, and use each ping for its intended purpose. If no ping exists for what you want to communicate, odds are you shouldn't say it. A less annoyed team will cooperate with you better.

[@permanentweakside7380]

I definitely agree with the third one. I believe many ADCs think their Supp as a personal slave or servant. But in reality the Supp leads the ADC by making decisions for them. I noticed that I win more games when my ADC is following the Supp and not vise versa and I also start muting the ADC if he is forcing me constantly to make plays. Then I have to think myself: "Please leave those decisions to me. Know your goddamn place and just follow."

[@adcyuumi]

@@permanentweakside7380 Once I was in lane with Sona support, and we hit level 3 first. I thought she should go in for a trade while we had an advantage, but I didn't ping it or go in first. She did go in, and she got obliterated immediately. After that I knew 2 things - my support was not good at staying alive, but she was good at seeing when she should try. So I used the info - getting the adc kill in exchange for another Sona death, sometimes getting a 2 for 1 out of it. It was critical not to deprogram my Sona's good sense of when to engage by not backing her plays... I'd be left with an overly cautious support that dies immediately in an all-in by the opposing team, which is not useful to win lane or the game. It's soooo critical for the adc to back up support's plays when they can get value.

[@alwaysfighting8676]

hell no ping that shit like its the last thing you do, if they get mad mute them immediately. The ones that go are who you work with to win.

[@adcyuumi]

@@alwaysfighting8676 That is 100% not a good idea. If someone is going to willingly cooperate, they will listen to your first ping. Your second ping is you "insisting", and anyone listening to it is doing so only begrudgingly - you've already annoyed your entire team with that, not just the teammate you pinged. Everyone on your team will now be distracted and play considerably worse, and it's your fault. Any third/fourth/fifth pings are you being openly obnoxious about getting your way, and you'll lose the respect of your team immediately. Even if you make good calls and perform well, they'll be glad to be out of the game with you and hope to never team with you again. That BS is annoying and accomplishes nothing that one ping does not. But you are right that someone who ignores your first ping can be deemed uncooperative - you do need to look elsewhere on the team to tag up and make coordinated plays. I will say that the danger ping is one you can ping 2-3 times, IF you are using it to show the travel path of a hidden enemy champion. For example, if you know Kat mid just roamed toward botlane, one or two danger pings in river followed by one in botlane is a clear message. It's a bit easier to do and for teammares to interpret while busy fighting, compared to pinging "Kat alive" and then doing a single danger ping.

[@alwaysfighting8676]

@@adcyuumi What if youre in a fight and miss the first ping? It's good to ping multiple times.

[@mocabe01]

The most important truth in rank is that it is NOT designed to be fair. It is designed to entice you play as many games as possible for as long as possible. This is based on the "Engagement Optimization Match Making" model employed by Riot. Basically, the game FORCES you to lose 2/3 of your games as it is the most effective motivation for you to keep trying. The game can reasonably estimate which league you belong, but it will design your games in such a way that it will take you as long as possible to get there.

[@cyberneticbutterfly8506]

We should observe what plan our teammates converge on and immediately back off if they aren't doing what we thought they were doing after all. Also what we can do is place more wards to give our teammates the confidence to go for objectives.

[@MT-jk7of]

The biggest problem is that people never see small wins. Like tge first example with Ashe flash. Burning it is a small win and if you build up enough of those suddenly a big win situation will present itself because you have built up towards it.

[@IlliaBrianyk]

If you failed gank, it's YOUR FAULT LOL

[@intuition_lol1]

Yea that's the tilt. Having the sensation that u can't play your game, to get denied this right, and instead you have to play the game of your teammates. That u cant feel good but have to make THEM feel good, and whitout anyone acknowledging the skill and patience u needed to show

[@katie98711]

thats just being a support main life lol

[@IlliaBrianyk]

​@katie98711 No, support player usually just too bad to play an actual lane,

[@pawel12313]

That's why you should always play junglers with some form off cc in solo q. It's so much easier to just go in on rek'sai and just burst adc for 75% hp on lv3 while he still is airborne, than playing master yi, kha'zix and hoping the liner will go in first for you.

[@gabrielcorporant]

I discovered that some time ago and it´s actually a great advice. I used to play with junglers like Dr. Mundo, Karthus and others that didn´t have CC, and wasted so much time trying to find the perfect times to gank with those characters, because usually you need your team to make the openings for you. I eventually switched to Nunu and William or Taliyah and instantly started making better plays and winning more games.

[@iurifrazao454]

@@gabrielcorporant You shouldn't really be in the "searching the perfect gank" mindset with karthus tho. You want to be at the "power farm" mindset with the ocasional "okay, the enemy is inting there I can't ignore this easy gank".

[@glenndiddy]

I'm here to have fun just like the rest of the team is. If I first pick Kha'zix and my top lane locks Fiora, we get a Senna support and a zed mid that's just how it's gonna be. I'm not playing champs I hate just because my teammates refuse to pick according to our team comp. I can play a tank jungle about once per week without wanting to kill myself so that's the limit for me

[@alexrider2597]

As a Jungle main and a secondary Support I have a mental boom every game, what’s most infuriating is goldie teammates blaming the player that’s higher elo than them. I just mute as soon as I see bitching and started climbing faster now. Last game I had a 1400 game D4 Jhin who refused to push for lv2, I help him push and reach lv2 before the enemies, I engage he refuses to fight with a Lv2 lead, then he proceeds to get hooked twice after the enemies reached lv2 too, dies without using flash then blames me saying I didn’t push. Copeium at its finest. He proceeded to buy mobi boots and feed the other lanes too even though top and mid were winning because I made plays and roamed, but nah 1 death = push team for his own incompetence. You would think 0 10 0 is obvious he intentionally fed, but riot didn’t ban him, just gave a chat restriction nice!

[@jstabile100]

As a jungler, it's the rage from my own team, just throws off my rhythm and I might as well afk for all the good I'm gonna do. All the blessings none of the honors. I'm sure supports feel the same

[@IlliaBrianyk]

Lol, that's what you get when you play like AI. You jungle players, can't do even bare minimum, in d3 where I'm right now, they just cry because they get invaded

[@pendragon8185]

As a Jungle/Support main, Imma say the truth. We hate CSing and this is a huge reason why we stick with these roles. There I said it lol

[@yahim0568]

As a jng/supp main I always beg my team to group for objectives that can and should be taken, asking for bot assistance as a jungler or ping for drake as a supp when I see an opportunity. I can't recall how many times my team ignored my pings on baron and went for chasing the enemy for more kills while completely forgetting that is the Nexus we need to take down, not the fed Garen running and screaming " Deeemacia!" 🤦‍♂️

[@ThatAnnoyingGuyOnTheInternet]

I have a friend who is pretty much the Alistar. He stays about half a map behind his ADC, falling behind in levels. Then when a play/gank is about to happen, he flashes forward in an attempt to catch up, which ends up being too little and too late. When he complained about being 2 levels behind the enemy support despite not leaving the lane, I told him (again) that it's because he sits too far back. He still keeps doing it. My reasons to hate junglers: 1) Randomly invade enemy wolves. Seriously, why? 2) Starts dragon without vision/lane prio. If we are stuck under our tower, the enemy will get there first and you will die. 3) Sees enemy 5 man invade his starting buff, tries to contest it and "surprisingly" fails. Why don't you just start the other buff? My reasons to hate supports: 1) Decides to play some random champion like Aatrox. If you are autofilled, pick something like Blitz. 3) Have lower vision score than me. Just drop wards as you go, some vision is still better than no vision. 4) AFK in lane. If the enemy is bad, you being passive just gives them a free lane - don't do that, try to win your lane.

[@KittyTheCockatoo]

As a bot main, I always honour and appreciate my support as, if I get fed, it is usually down to them. Whenever possible, I try to follow their play too as they are the ones who need to engage and can best judge when they are ready to do so.

[@felixaubert7322]

I don't play support unless I'm forced to, but when I do this is exactly how I play. Tons of compliments and honors and whatnot. This mindset is 100% the right one to adopt.

[@IlliaBrianyk]

So in you opinion, people must look at supp mains us on kids, because that's how you sound like. Supps usually just too bad to play on an actual important role, they usually pick worst champs in any matchups, and go 0/10 on average.

[@gpavl1177]

2:20 whenever something like this happens and I'm jungle I usually say in chat "sorry that was my fault, I should've guessed you guys wouldn't engage with me" and I never gank that lane again. Works most of the time if they also don't troll

[@principal-videojuegos6666]

well in the defense of adc i have to say that i find a really large ammount of supports are simply not great mechanically. I can not tell the ammount of supports that straight inted like there is no tomorrow. I get really frustated when the character that has the most play making potetential in the botlane has no clue what to make. I need to ward, ping missings, manage the wave so they do not die and trade alone. Thankfully i play cait that is more independent, but damm some are really really bad. I still agree with you the difference betwen a good support or jungle is so massive that they get the most amount of blame for sure.

[@Darkstormsun9865]

because they are trying to follow you. other wise you will flame them for not doing so.

[@principal-videojuegos6666]

@@Darkstormsun9865 lets me give you an exmaple. I was caitlyn karma, into a jhin nautilus. Naturally we won lane control and where slow pushing while harasing. The my karma decides that he wants to hit the turret a bit more despite the wave diying and i ping her off. She gets Q and dies. Okey happens, i push the lane again, and we start harasing all great. They ping mid missing, i had a ward in river and i see midlaner comming, i back off and i spam ping danger to my support, i used all pings and so i wrote on chat to back off. He does not back of, gets Q and dies. Proceds to come to lane, get dove because does not have a wave to defend and dies. And i am sitting there standing, thinking what the hell can i do to stop this guy from intintg. I have played many games, and on some ocasons, not as infrequent, people do plays like this. Despte me pinging, writing what they should do. If you are pushing, of course, just stay behind minions, is that not basic?, be prepared to dodge, not be there like a duck, etc. Like i said, sometimes i find suports so mechanically bad that i have a hard time grasping how they got to plat.

[@andreitaker3527]

As a casual jungle player, the hardest part for me is when to choose who I should prioritize when all three lanes need you to win their matchup Another is should you help the 0/4 teamate over the 4/0 one that can be the win condition, knowing that 0/4 teamate would end up dead once you leave him.

[@mokodomi]

Before I say anything else, I’d like to clarify that I play Wild Rift since I don’t have a computer that can handle regular League yet, plus I think it’s just much easier to play as a mobile game from what I’ve seen of how complicated pc League is, haha. As someone that’s aspiring to main both Yuumi for support and Evelynn for the few times I get autofilled into jungle, I have had several instances of getting flamed by my teammates. From what I can see, there’s two flavors to it. 1) Me not being confident enough to make my own plays as Eve as I don’t really go for solo kills as Eve when an enemy is at full health because I’m terribly afraid of ending up dying from my attempt and setting the team back - especially in mid/late game when objectives like dragons and baron are more important. 2) My teammates expecting me to be an absolute pro Yuumi main that can save my teammates from death - I’m still working on being able to get her shield passive without getting myself killed in order to keep my teammates safe, especially in teamfights. I’m also working on being able to aim my ult instead of just auto-aiming it, since in most cases from what I’ve seen it actually makes plays harder to execute because of how inaccurate auto-aim seems to be. (note: I tried to main either Morgana or Seraphine and wasn’t that great at either since their ults are pretty situational, at least from what I can see.) Personally the flaming doesn’t get to me unless I’m actually playing badly in a game, since I’m still improving on my own account. So far, I’ve gotten one MVP each on my two favorites, here’s hoping that I never stop improving :)

[@roy-batty]

That is a non issue for me. In my games people just miss SO MANY chances and eventually just get outplayed everywhere and when you rewind back, you had your chances, people just ignored them and that's it. Can't invade, can't take crab, can't gank, can't dive, can't get turret... 4/0/3 in 10 minutes, game lost in 15. I found out I have MUCH more success laning myself. So, if I play mid, I know mid will be even in the worst case. When I play jungle... You just don't influence anything. You destroy top Darius, get him to have 0/4/0. He still outlevels your laner and still wins the game for his team. Something is off with matchmaking.

[@Darkstormsun9865]

i mean that depends on so much more. ur 4/0/3, you are absolutely sure you couldnt do anything with those ganks and kills? cuz you should be able to do at least one of those things by yourself if ur getting kills like that. also yea darius is a bs champ he can win 0/4/0. if your laner is caught overextending or messes up somewhere and then hes instantly back in the game. which is why he is a perma good pick in solo q. it doesnt matter how his kda is if ur one taking the kills cuz ur laner doesnt have that big of an advantage if he didnt pick up the kill, because you are the one with the advantage. in that sense its up to you push YOUR advantage. ive have gotten ganks and put into a very shitty lane states to the point where the ganks no longer matter cuz im still behind from bad lane state but my jungler is very hard ahead. if he doesnt carry, then its gg top gap.

[@Rommel12]

Honestly, my main issue with supports is that they tend to have much weaker mechanics and no greater understanding of macro compared to players of other roles. And let's not even talk about the supports who just stand 10 steps back from their ADC and force the ADC to 2v1 the entire laning phase. Sure, maybe the second issue vanishes in high diamond+, but the first one definitely does not seem to go away. As for junglers, at least from my experience it's two key issues. First, laners seem to believe that no matter what jungler they have the junglers primary purpose is to gank for them, regardless of the matchup or how many times they lose the 1v1/2v2. Secondly, the jungler is also supposed to get every objective, and stop them from getting ganked no matter how few wards they place, or how little they care about danger pings. This lack of understanding of the role often leads to both teams calling jungle diff, which is always hilarious.

[@babaspector]

as a support main seeing the mechanics of others makes me want to puke 60% of the time. maybe it's because i played this game for too long, but it's just my opinion. i 100% agree about supports that stand behind their adcs. it happens too much, and it's my favorite thing. free win in lane XD

[@cicinmage]

Isn't it ironic? The most macro-intensive role tends to be taken by players who have little to no knowledge about how the game works

[@setajucizbun7073]

it is just that no matter what elo no matter what match no matter how you try to look at it you can clearly point out junglers mistake which is just a fact, like its a mistake on a factual level (having to choose between skipping krugs or ganking/counterganking top, choosing krugs is just the wrong option in every and any scenario because it closes other possibilities and puts top behind). They dont care about losing teammates they think if they get kills they can carry and true they can because diana tank and red kayn still exist and so people from plat are in masters. just rework the role do a full rank reset and lets see who can even peak high elo as a jg main :)) It doesnt matter what any1 says i dont care im just saying grandmaster junglers just arent good enough and cant keep up with their teams, im saying that because i had gm jg and full plat team and the jungler lacked fucking hands brain and eyes. my point is role isnt balanced its elo inflated and yes blaming jungler is fine because they often do the most retarded shit you ever saw, fuck up mechanically and macro wise and just lose u the game with 1 low key bronze level play(no matter what rank the jg is).

[@Rommel12]

​@@setajucizbun7073 Choosing Krugs over counterganking/ganking is only wrong if you can actually impact that play. If the enemy top laner is already 4 kills up and your toplaner is dead, or on 10% hp, then why would you go and int in top as well? The fact that you seem to think Diana or Kayn are more free than say Rek'sai, or Qiyana mid, or Shen top just goes to show that you don't actually understand what's happening in your games, or you're just silver and my point still stands I guess.

[@glenndiddy]

@@cicinmage Well actually jungle is the most macro-intensive role and junglers generally are the best macro players on your team. That's also why jungler generally call what objectives to go for and have to do damage control on bad macro plays from their teammates. Like going for a dragon when it's a 50/50 coinflip without vision of the enemy jungler. You ping off your team, or at least want to pull the dragon out of the pit, but your team keeps hitting it anyway.

[@axlvanaudenhove6564]

This is the most frustrating thing about soloQ. I'm bad at this because I usually think ok I'm playing in this elo so these players should know this play. Then they don't and I put myself behind. From supports I know I shouldn't expect too much because a decent support is quickly noticeable while a jungler has so many possible playstyles and possible thoughts where it's hard to know he's good or a ****. But I expect junglers to be good players but in EUW I learned this as a midlane perspective: Top are the most consistant good players in all ranks. But from lower elo's Junglers are second, but because the role is too hard for low elo, you shouldn't expect them to know how laning works or matchups. Then we have bot and support players are kind of the same. I think in lower elo's the adcs are a little better than supports just because a good support will climb faster than an ADC and ADCs are very quickly tilted and are ego players. I used to be good to play in lower elo's because I could read players and plays a lot better before my big break. Now I struggle and I miss good gameplay 😥

[@No6edtime]

I really appreciate the fact that you are so candid about the simple reality that sometimes there are just terrible players. I have terrible teammates a lot of games, but I think a lot of the time I am the terrible teammate. Most people don't want to perform poorly, we are just ignorant about how to play the game correctly. I'm working on it because I really want to improve! Thanks so much for this content, it's already helped me quite a bit! Definitely seeing improvement in my gameplay, but more than anything, my attitude. These videos and your insight have helped me realize that outlook and perspective will win more games than good mechanics sometimes. Appreciate This!

[@FrodosBeutel]

When i hate a role it is bot lane. I made a statistic of my last 20 games: Bot Won: 3 Bot Neutral: 8 Bot Loose: 9 I count Bot as Neutral if it has less then 50% more kills then death or less then 50% more death then kills. What i hate is if Bot lane feeds they end up like 1/9 or 4/15, which makes it almost impossible to win a game if you go neutral or only slightly ahead out of your lane.

[@Darkstormsun9865]

cuz they are constantly fighting or getting fucked and then when the team fights happen well they are too weak to do anything before they die and are even squishier then normal so its easier to die.

[@turbobob7682]

I think it‘s actually kinda hard sometimes for me as a Support player The Meta is shifting right now a bit from enchanters to tank Supports but I litteraly can‘t play Tank Supports for multiple reasons. 1. You get much weaker in late 2. It‘s not sure you have a Adc who also can actually play the 2v2 good enough 3. If we have a lead in lane it‘s still possible somebody throws the lead So the only way for me that works at the Moment (Plat 2) is to go for Sona, Janna, Soraka And even there if somebody force fights it could be that I am not strong enough to that moment. So you get flames either way sometimes. But nice Video guys makes sense to me.

[@ZaneZephyr]

Jungle and Support roles are like being floaters in a restaurant. They are tasked with going around and trying to make everything run smoothly around the place. At times when that’s happening, nobody will say anything about them, but the second shit hits the fan in a department where they aren’t, then they can get flamed by them even if it’s not their fault. It’s because both roles are entirely about helping out the rest of the team, but in most games everyone feels like THEY are entitled to the help over everyone else and get upset if they don’t receive it when they feel they should have.

[@frederiksrensen7770]

As a kha zix main i dont agree that the kha zix played the gank perfectly since he used his leap too quickly without seeing if alistar was going to help them. If you are solo queing as kha zix only use leap to engage if u can see your teammates are helping you. Eles use leap to get away from bad fights.

[@TheMentik78]

I believe that was a case of strong sarcasm but I could be wrong.

[@glenndiddy]

The entire first clear was a mess. Did he seriously do raptors -> blue -> gromp into bot gank? And obviously you never ever use your dash to engage as kha'zix in the early game.

[@chyllvian3758]

jng/supp player here. I just started playing split pushers top with music on and /muteall really helps me recover my mental that gets broken on a daily basis :)

[@Sluppie]

My favorite part of being support is when my entire team screams at me for not warding enough, then reading the end screen to confirm the fact that my vision score is, without exaggeration. 8-10x what everyone else's is. Even on the other team.

[@liefschneider3123]

Feel like the advise to just do what your teammates want is really bad advise, especially for low elo players. The first part about not just doing what you want and then be mad team didn't do what you though, is great advise. You have to recognize your team can't always see or understand what you can, and so stubbornly going for your idea with out support is probably going to go poorly. However just do what your teammates want is the best way to get yourself hard stuck, sure your team won't flame you, but if you want to climb you need to recognize a stupid call that you should ignore versus a sub optimal call. Following sub optimal calls can be fine and some time are needed, sometimes you're the one one missing something and it actually is the optimal call, however there will definitely come times for stupid calls that there is no point in following and if you get flamed well that is their problem and at the end of the day they're the one's going to be had stuck not you.

[@glenndiddy]

Exactly, this just promotes a super low agency coin flip type of gameplay. There is a reason the people you are playing with are Silver, if you follow them you will stay in that elo. You cannot climb out of silver by only following the calls of silver players. You're basically telling people to just get carried and not think for themselves. If you never make calls, you will never learn what good and bad calls even are

[@thewhiterabbit6969]

As a jungle main if i see firstblood and the enemy is above 50% hp i instantly /mute all and focus on farm and imvading enemy jungler.

[@michaelanastasas7064]

As an all rounder i would say that jg and support are lanes that i enjoy playing . They might seem a bit underrated from all the hate and toxicity that they receive but sometimes they can change the game

[@XelNaga89]

Last game I played (as a Janna). After recall wrote on the chat that I will roam mid since I can setup Yasuo really well. Went mid, Yasuo got 2 kills, my adc died because he pushed lined in 1v2. And you can guess what happened next, verbal harassments for the rest of the game from said adc... If only this was an exception....

[@Darkstormsun9865]

wow about time someone finally does a video on this. i learned this mindset years ago and honestly makes league of legends much more enjoyable and actually makes yourself a better player.

[@mrsurtr6903]

I just personally hate telling my jungler not to gank when my wave is so screwed im down lvls and all I want is to farm AND the next thing the do is spam ping on the way and act surprised when I just watch them die to my lane opponent who is 2 lvls higher. I don't want to lose even more cs and give him the extra kill. But then I am the bad player because they can just spam gank another lane making it look like they have a brain...

[@glenndiddy]

At least spam ping danger to let them know you don't like the play. If someone spam pings danger I won't gank unless I think I can solo the guy.

[@IlliaBrianyk]

​@@glenndiddyIt's totally jungler's fault you need huge reality check

[@marsvoltian]

This video is so accurate. I struggle with this so much In the Karma clip I would've just gone home and if she gets stuck in lane for not resetting when it's right that's on her, I'd go to another lane in the pressure vaccuum the Cait just created bot. I didn't used to do that, I would make the suboptimal play with the rest of the team. I think that might be part of why climbing is harder for me

[@FinlayDaG33k]

As a support, I often have the opposite... I go in, make a trade and my ADC or jungler isn't content with us just grabbing their sums and a nice chunk of their HP (possibly setting up a repeat gank) and feel the need to just all-in for no real reason (all our abilities are down, we already got value but they feel the need to force it and waste additional resources of our own needing to bail out) :|

[@martinzuniga6605]

I have been forced to main jg. I've never gotten a jg as good as me. Every time I win a game it's because I'm 15+ kills. I would kill to get a jg that can single handedly carry a game. When I try other roles, I just end up flaming my jg because he's so incompetent. Jg is the most proactive role.

[@Aeroreido]

this is the same kind of playstyle I opt to do aswell as support and I climbed really fast with it and I noticed by following plays that I wouldnt do myself that I got a better gameknowledge and decisionmaking skill from it, just beeing there, especially if you go heal and shield supports makes a huge difference between 3 people on your team wiping to a stupid play and the stupid play working because everyone survived on your team.

[@princetonnguyen9984]

“It does not matter what play is right or best, it just matters that we all went for the same thing.” Great reminder that we’re playing solo queue and not competitive. Great mind set.

[@khentimentiu]

"drop the ego" he said while smurfing...

[@NaomoreVODs]

As a person who spent too much time playing dota and only starting league I can say it's like this in every game and usually people stop blaming supports in high elo. The reason why it happens in low elo is because everybody makes a lot of mistakes there, but while top, mid and adc mistakes are micro and hard to notice unless they're dying again and again, supports and jugnle mistakes are macro and everyone sees it UPD Just watched the video and can totally confirm, playing more you learn to understand your teammates and make plays accordingly, it really is the best way to play in solo queue, even WITH comms, because not everyone wants to listen to random guy in the internet anyway

[@jpflame21]

The first scenario happens to me just about every game where I spam ping my laners for the freest gank ever and they just don’t walk up.

[@djbreal87]

A friend of mine plays every game like the team he is on is SUPPOSED to be playing as a team. And he gets so mad when they don't do the things he thinks they are supposed to do. Now, hes a decently skilled player in Gold 1 working his way up, but I find he loses a ton of games because he simply expects his team to play at some ungodly level. I've been slowly climbing out of Bronze, into S1 and should soon be into Gold. Im not incredible by any means (though the league stat tracker for my 3 main champs has my scores all above playing at a challenger level but who says that can be believed) but I play the game EXPECTING my team to NOT know how to play. Not follow up. Not ping, or ward or rotate (despite me BEGGING). And just try and adapt my play to fit whatever they are doing. I find it works much better because the enemy team is also playing weird and random, so if im the only beacon of stability, I can atleast make it LOOK like we are working together. I main Mid/Top, take TP, crush my mid lane and roam as much as humanly possible. The game is not hard people. Ward, rotate, objectives, stop chasing, it isnt about how many kills you have.

[@KiMoonx]

I can call out scenarios where players didn't follow up on an obvious good play, but I will say I also have not, or have started my own ideas too early. This will definitely help me understand to support better, since I play a lot more jungle than support. I do get annoyed sometimes cause for example today, I had a support who would never listen to pings or ping themselves and ignore their team. A dragon fight was about to happen: recalling at full hp for 1 item piece. I was ganking and trying to get them to shove so I could drop herald? Recalling. They never were helping and got mad the adc got "kill steals" that were their kills. Players like these will probably never learn if they don't watch this video or get told about this mindset.

[@steffenjensen422]

If I'm support, I literally always try to give my ADC the kills. Doesn't matter if I do all the work and they basically just last hit, the ADC needs to be ahead for botlane to be playable. Well, unless they are inting, then I take the kills for myself of course

[@MoonFlux]

So... you are saying that I can somehow help my 0/20 yi trying to 1v5?

[@Simaris12]

I hate jungling, but just because i have not the capacity to keep track of everything going on while clearing camps. I am just overwhelmed by the constant change of situations. Also there are no Champs which i like to play which are viable in the jungle. I play support quite happily though, anything thats in a lane is fine, even support. Much more controlled Environment, even though sometimes chaotic. Very funny thing (or not) i experience is like described with the Kha. Jungle comes in, Enemy runs towards tower and i have either or both: Not the capabilities to follow up anyways, so i don't bother A massive minionwave at my tower, worth at least the same amount of gold then a diceroll kill. So, when i don't even try to make a move, jungle jumps in anyways and i get the blame bc i did not follow. More often then not i could not even follow with using my flash etc., and sometimes lane state doesnt make me want to follow. I wonder how this is so hard to understand. But what tilts me most on "ganks" is, when jungler doesnt get a pick on the enemy, they are "frustrated" for their wasted time and start taking minions often completely screweing my lane state.

[@PT84]

If you play for jungle the game gets really easy. Yes, every once in awhile you will have a person autofilled and doesn't know how to play the role in your elo. But more often if you enable your jungler by helping him invade or collapsing when they are fighting in the river. Getting the player with the highest agency ahead will give your team the best chance at winning.

[@alexandervanlier7405]

jungle gets 10x more flame

[@StefanLopuszanski]

0:50 : Playing poorly happens, but the difference is when people refuse to acknowledge it and instead blame others. I just wish more people would have some self introspection and empathy. And would go in with teammates even if the play might be bad -- trust your team and work together. Watch skilled players and how they almost always follow plays teammates make. Or at the least going near to kite / help from far away. Regardless if they think the play is bad the alternative is the play will guarantee fail vs it might just work with help.

[@kazeryuu3603]

I play Jungle and Support and solved this problem using the best feature in League? "Disable Ally Chat"

[@artforjoyofficial]

I am ADC, but after I got a weirdo-afk-support who was pinging weirdly like he is 5 y.o. used auto attacks and almost never used his abilities, I had to switch to SUP role, cause I see no way to get to at least Silver. I think some people underestimate support role and try to just pass first ranks by being afk…

[@comradeboris167]

Long story short: Nobody will blame themselves, everyone can blame jungle bcs jungler has a piece in everyone's cake. Same with vision + ADC will blame support (I mean they totally didnt lose bcs of their positioning) Support Jungler main here.

[@tristancarax4572]

Haha. My ADC is always saying, "Dude, I've been playing playing most of the game alone." I'm doing my best to support the map and not just my ADC. If my ADC can't defend for some time on their own, which gives them lost of experience, then it's better for me to support somewhere else anyway most of the time. Besides, most players aren't watching these types of videos and don't know that I'm doing my best to implement what I'm learning here.

[@NineTailedVesani]

Playing mostly support I thought the same till I started to learn ADC on my own time. I've found that there is a couple match ups if the support leaves at the wrong time or isn't there to help out can go south real quickly. Lets say I'm playing Xayah vs Ashe and Yuumi, I have good confidence I can just play that better longer than being alone with something like Draven with any tank engage support to dive me if I can't match the wave clear so it doesn't stay under the tower longer than 2-3 seconds.

[@tristancarax4572]

@@NineTailedVesani I agree, but... I play ADC too. I mostly get supports who won't roam at all and that usually hurts the team because their help is needed elsewhere.

[@btvitek1671]

started to practice more of "melee" supps recently, I just lose my mind.....adc going out of lane with 8 0, I was top, mid....we got 1 drake....Idk I will stay with enchanters, they are more effective in reacting to mates, playmaker is nice etc. but useless af, if people dont use their leads :(

[@maxximus3215]

Letting someone else take the "glory" so the whole team can win is the essence of brilliance and humility

[@ArachnidFactsReactions]

I play Elise jg, and my teammates never fallow up after I stun the apponant, they normally just stand under tower, which is super annoying, because it wastes my W... this happens all the time

[@IlliaBrianyk]

Opponent*

[@werewolf74]

The last few years, especially, is people watch the crazy plays in e-sports and so they all think they should roam. They dont know when or how to roam properly. Its super bad this last year. As a jungle, its hell. You are forced to babysit the abandoned lane. And chaos ensues.

[@Mirra800]

Tip for junglers. Get a champion that clears blue side fast like voli or udyr and then kill the enemy jungler at their 2nd buff side. Make sure to smite kill their buff and take crugs/gromp. Then take your lead and carry.

[@AQWOMAR9]

But how do u know if the enemy started at blue or red?

[@xdae]

As a master jungle main, i mute chat and focus on my gameplay. In high elo, not many people type anyways. It’s mainly D4 and below that blame others instead of figuring out how they can hard carry the game. Lack of accountability is a big reason why people get stuck and cant climb. Sometimes high elo does have a flaming tilter. These people get immediate mutes. If they spam ping early then pings will get muted too until midgame. If i start typing and spamming back it’s already game over. If I can focus on hard carrying then i will win. That’s the master+ mindset.

[@sanholo9494]

Jungle and Support are the main play making roles but when people play so hard on autopilot that they dont even react to u its ur fault. And when thats happens the lose trust and dont listen anymore which autoloses the game cuz in plat 1 and below i have never seen a laner make good macro decisions. And the games where i made 1 mistake and laners still kept listining to me where won most of the times.

[@kfk4441]

Unironically. I have a folder with +100 images of random auto fill ppl saying they love me as a support . People love to be enabled not abandoned. maybe you did not abandon someone and had no way of knowing that one guy wanted to go in to a lost battle, as support we should learn how that random team mate play to predict them and try to save them even by a one digit survival (unless you're both dying if you try)

[@chrisvernon1517]

I'm often the person trying to take the proper recall and continuing to do so even when adc doesn't follow. I'll try this tactic out and see how it goes.

[@randombob3837]

I used to be a Support main... but I quit after getting flamed every single game for days. Now I'm ADC and I'm not really good... but when I have a Support playing with me during the game, I always honor them at the end and drop a "great job!", "you saved me there, thanks!" and so on during the game. In the last 30 dass there was only 1 support who didnt appreciate and was constantly flaming me for sucking (I know you're out there dude, I remember your name and once we play again, I will show you how I improved!). Anyways: Honor the Support/Jungle if they die for you or help you getting the kill. A short "thanks" is so damn much for every poor soul playing this toxic role...

[@happycamperds9917]

Ty for this vid. A lot times I'll throw games because I try to contest drag 1 v 3 as support because my teammates won't come, I just need to give it up sometimes.

[@vincentlopez8506]

(in advance, sorry for my bad english language) Another example, this time from the perspective of a solo laner (because in your video, you tell about laners who doesn't follow jungler's call). Please tell me if i'm wrong, as i'm only a silver player: when i'm playing top, during a bad game when the ennemy laner has got a lead, i'm close to death with 10% health remaining, getting a huge slow-pushed wave coming to my tower... The jungler calls, wants to gank in the middle of 12 ennemy minions... I dont listen to his call (and call him to back off), but he still comes, dies alone, and then asks to report me because i didnt help... Am i right to not follow ? I think that's too risky for me: if i die (and i will probably die, with no health and a big wave advantage for my ennemy), i lose all the wave, and the tower will push it back, the ennemy will freeze it and continue to zone me...

[@ddevulders]

Decided on early roaming as pantheon support because my ADC was really slow to lane every reset and kept missing CS putting us on the backfoot really quickly, since pantheon is incredibly strong but dive dependent I decided that I no longer had value in the botlane. I got lucky with 2 solid counters in mid and eventually took top tower. The game started snowballing as I was able to work together with my jungler by abusing my R and landing some solid kills and tower pushes. After we ran through the enemy in the mid/late game my ADC decided to take it to the chat: "lol support hard sweat". That was the point I simply turned off my public chat....

[@ezrealislife8694]

He’s complimenting you… he’s calling you a try hard, which basically means that you carried. Sure it’s not the best way to compliment someone, but that shouldn’t make you want to mute chat…

[@ddevulders]

@@ezrealislife8694 That would be odd since he was upset with me and calling me names the entire match because I didn't stick with him, he was constantly complaining and whining. It would be very odd for him to suddenly turn around and compliment me that way.

[@ezrealislife8694]

@@ddevulders Okay in that case then yea he’s just whining. If you mentioned this in the first comment then I’d recommend muting people like that earlier

[@glenndiddy]

I feel like this applies much more to the support role than the jungle role, especially if you don't play the support-esque jungle champions like Ivern, Sejuani or other tanks. Supports don't have as high of an oppertunity cost as junglers do, so for them it's not a big deal to give up a bit of tempo, but junglers lose out on a ton of resources by constantly following up on a bad tempo play laners insist on. It's one thing to abandon your own idea of invading, because your teammates don't back you up, I think all junglers have been in that situation. It especially hurts when you are getting invaded, but your mid laner decides to slow push his lane instead of shoving and helping you. You just have to give up the camps and walk away. It's a different story when your teammates call for a terrible play that will never work out, which lets be honest here is the majority of times. Laners generally have horrible macro instincts, so they will absolutely call for a baron when there's 3 enemies in mid and you top is off in bot lane without TP. Do you just suck it up and go for the 1 in a million baron sneak or do you hard ping off and let them die if they go anyway? Or when a top laner spam pings you to dive a Renekton/Darius, you know he will absolutely 1v2 you under turret unless he somehow forgets to press his R key. Do you still go for the dive your teammate wants, or do you just abandon that guy and go farm scuttle/camps? I'd say the only way a jungler manages to main the role long term is to become the selfish jungler. Unlike supports we need resources to help carry the game, so we do actually have to prioritize ourselves more than a support would.

[@IlliaBrianyk]

Nobody must to help you, it's your fault you get invaded

[@IlliaBrianyk]

Worst comment here so far. Nobody's fault you get invaded it's YOUR ONLY BAD. Supp role is role for people who are too bad to play on an actual role.

[@glenndiddy]

@@IlliaBrianyk it quite literally isn't your fault. The enemy is allowed to invade because of lane prio. If they don't have prio they cannot invade. I'm not saying it's the laners fault, they might just have a matchup where they can't get prio. Thr problem is though, you are being invaded, your team cannot help, they enemy can help. So the only thing you can realistically do is give up the camps and look for something else to do. Which might just be nothing, if you have no camps objectives or ganks to play for

[@IlliaBrianyk]

@glenndiddy cope more because players like you pro league is just a dream to 99% of people, people like you always stay in iron.

[@glenndiddy]

@@IlliaBrianyk I don't have any desire to be a pro player, and I'm emerald. I honestly don't think I can even get to iron if I wanted to

[@sarenatatv]

In promos to gold every single adc I had was auto filled. Playing a support that can flex into a supporting role or a carry is the only way to climb in low elo.

[@scarletdragon1019]

I think the main problem in this game is that.. 1- PvP forces you to stay and waste time on a game you won't win or where you're not having fun at all. Plus, it's PvP! It shouldn't matter at all, it should be chill 2- Ranked allows noobs to enter, like whatever...they should at least have one or two masteries or something. Ranks should have requirements to play them, not just "win" games. 3- Ranks do not reflect skill, it reflects your luck to be paired with good teammates. LoL is a game where you rely on others, no matter how much you improve and no matter how much someone wants to feel like they can do it all. You just can't do it all unless you are at least Emerald and above and you go to a PvP with only Bronze, Silver, or Gold players. It's not even something to brag about, you just get matched with really bad opponents

[@linushallgren4156]

In gold/plat players are so ridiculously chaotic. In diamond + the play is likely to make some sort of sense, maybe not optimal but one of the better options. In Iron/Bronze you can assume your team is going to make a bad play, you just don't know which. In gold and plat you have to consider every possible option, from the biggest int to the most impressive outplay.

[@tankcommander9852]

As a fiddlesticks main in iron solo queuing is hell usually I have a full team of friends but when I don’t…

[@StoneDeceiver]

this is the hardest thing to do in solo q.. its so cancer to have to not do what you want to do because ur teammates arent thinking about the game

[@jessco8950]

I will say as an AP Nami, seraph, or karma support this is some of the best advice I’ve heard in a long time.

[@mikahcaps3114]

Yeah, if you jg and tries to ping for gank they instead push the enemies further or doesn't give back up for 3v2 that becomes a 1v2 cause they hide under the tower

[@myth1757]

also a support/jungle main and I have to agree with this. my ideas never matter what matters is what they are actually going to be doing so I can help teammates do it. it's rough lol

[@mostafasallam2996]

can this apply to top laners as weell or its only jg and supp only caan someone plz respond

[@n9nedots]

Being a jg main lately has been so tiring. You could literally make your mod and bot super fed gods and control rift/baron and drag, and your top laner will still give you an entire essay on how you’re garbage because he left lane 0/1/0 😑 I started playing mid/top as of late lol

[@MrNickjas]

i wonder why at 7:00 is a bad timer, when you get tower agro anyways, why do you need minions? am i just stupid here?

[@crystalrage]

Adc sees support poking enemy adc "they must want us to full send it in melee range"

[@nonbinaryqtip390]

I’m also a sup and jgl main and I can say this shit is so true I only been playing league for a couple months but since I started watchin these videos I been pickin up on things like this a lot more and it has really helped my aggro sup play a lot to the point I can confidently play thresh or pyke in ranked but the main reason I play sup is so I can get my adc as fed as possible so they aren’t completely useless that way if we lose at least Ik I did my job and made sure my adc got plenty of kills/assists and if my adc isn’t fed well then it’s really all down to me just not being able to perform well enough but that’s y I’ve been maiming pyke and thresh cuz as soon as I hit lvl 2 or lvl 3 I look to land qs to get trades or kills if I see my adc comes and helps me out I stay and put in as much dmg in so I can maybe ignite and get a kill or assist but if I see they r just farming or not close enough I disengage and let the enemy push into us that way Ik that will catch my adcs attention so they can put in some dmg to get a possible kill all in all I’ve been climbing pretty well lately when playing sup jgl or top because I try to follow exactly what was said in the video go along with whatever ur teammates are trying to do and let the game unfold

[@octojuice6969]

I jungle and support too. Why is this combination a thing though, is it like personality types or something? 😎😎 Jungle: Mute all and carry Support: Win lane, lose game

[@Nuschler22]

The two best words you can remember. "Mute all." As soon as I get a spam or WTF ping, mute pings. If they don't want to help dragon, don't do it.. The same idiot that spam pings dragon won't leave an empty lane to help. I play to practice to be better to play with people I care about. I couldn't care less if my groups of random doesn't get a kill and we lose ten straight games.

[@Mermzies]

As a jungle and support main I also hate myself

[@evgeniblanchard675]

I think people forget that those 2 rokes are the best to encourage other peoples to keep fighting and get a goid ambiance in the team.

[@Chillmal93]

Im actually going the other way as supp main right now. I have something i call supp syndrome where i try to help people even of they literally suicide after i spam ping them back. Usually it turns out worse because i die too trying to rescue them. So sure i follow my first try rule to go with a flawed plan to just show them how bad it is but when i see they are really just running it down itry to lean more back and let them suicode alone ( ofc spam pinging og them inclided why I'm alive xD )

[@Mhalpin419]

One game I got my ADC 4-5 kills by 10 or 15 minutes. But he flamed me every single time I missed a hook even though we were winning lane... sometimes ppl are just dumb and toxic.

[@stefan4165]

I think this is where playing the engage champions sucks the worst. Once you start the play, you have to pray for the team to follow up.

[@TheKarishi]

Everyone doing the "wrong" play together usually works out better than everyone doing five different "right" plays.

[@timothygrashaw5233]

@8:30 that logic runs counter to other skill capped videos that say "Don't let my teammates mistakes be my mistakes." and it only worked out because you got lucky. I think the better play in general would be to recall to stem the bleeding for the other 95% of times where your teammates just int on the dive.