Why Everyone Is Cooking FM25

[@poppyharlow4448]

Yo Z, there's a bastard who's using your likeness to make penguinz0-style football commentary videos, his name's Zealandism. Just lookin out gang

[@Abhi_810-s9b]

hahah

[@kieronparr3403]

Zealandism is a fake shill trying to be Zealand. If you look carefully you can see subtle differences in the forehead

[@MrVinjex]

This comment feels incomplete without someone taking you literally so I'll be idiot. That's actually him you know? He has a couple channels

[@Abhi_810-s9b]

@@MrVinjex bro it is meant to be a joke

[@johnread7404]

@@Abhi_810-s9b Whoooosh....

[@Toropetskii]

Release a game late, you lose no rep. Release a bad game, damage your rep forever. They should just continue refinining this for FM26, and release the player and club updates into FM24 in the meantime. But money greed etc

[@Pekz00r]

Yes, I agree. They could just release a database update + women's football + some minor things for $20 or something.

[@arturillosmeriglia8029]

In the words of Gabe Newell: "Late is just for a little while. Suck is forever"

[@pedroribeiro1850]

TBF it isn't money greed, they need continuous revenue to succeed, they build a budget for a year expecting the income, a loss in income could mean SI dies, so I'm not mad at them for releasing fm25 now. I'll still buy the game, probably get 300 hundred hours out of it (Oh boy how I miss the days when I had the time to put a thousand hours into an FM, but adulthood is a bitch), it won't be bad, no FM is bad, it is always different and you have to figure out the new metas and test all new tactics.

[@Tom-qb1rj]

Shareholders kill video games

[@FlyingwithFire]

@@pedroribeiro1850 some gaming companies only release a game every few years SI gets a yearly income on a massively popular seller Delaying shouldnt kill them

[@chrisfmjesusmountsteven6146]

In the blog it says "released as good as it can be in the time we have" not delay it until it's finished. This is an open admission the game won't be ready.

[@outlawedTV88]

their video announcing FM25 had twice as more dislikes than likes!!! :D

[@seanyboy3]

​@@outlawedTV88that's more down to how raging gamers can be online than anything specific about the trailer though

[@Popmycherryyo]

They are starting to, unfortunately for us, to adapt to the market. Following the Fifa and EA ways. They don't need to change shit, if anything, they can cut shit and put it as lootboxes or DLCs. I wouldn't be surprised if we get future leagues as DLCs, and updated transfers etc as well. And they obviously remove the modding possibilities. FM/CM is A LOT like Pro Cycling Manager. They know they have NO competition, so they don't need to strive for anything. They know X amount of people will buy it NO MATTER what...and it's a god damn shame.

[@outlawedTV88]

@@Popmycherryyo YEah I did knew this was bound to happen - making it one game fit all platforms, which means watering down everything, they win we loose!!! simple as that

[@kakskdjfnakodndn]

​@Popmycherryyo That's a load of hysterical nonsense that's quite simply never going to happen. The issue this year isn't that they haven't changed anything, it's that they've tried to change too much and not been able to pull it off in time.

[@jaysheriffe6292]

I've been around in the gaming industry long enough to know that at this point it's not a question of "IF" this game is going to be bad, but a question of "HOW" bad will it be. i hope its only moderate damage that is inconvenient but tolerable and not a complete trainwreck.

[@MrAvaricia]

Yep. Fm25 is the beta of a new engine. Personally I'm skipping, let others be the guinea pigs

[@outlawedTV88]

I am into gaming from 80's so I know also - the problem here many ppl do not understand the difference between match engine and graphical engine!!! New FM25 will be in UNITY engine - which is just changing graphics but not the game as a whole i.e. match engine or sadly the entire code will be still present, no way in hell they can write a whole new code for the game in 2-3 years, that takes a lot more.... Just for comparation look at GTA series and the time between every new iteration?! SI Games are not gonna spend their entire bank on making everything NEW AGAIn - NO way folks!!!

[@DubberRucks]

Yeah. Wait for reviews to drop from FMtubers you trust. No actual in motion gameplay is a big red flag to me for this one.

[@StreetSoulLover]

There is no Beta, because FM25 is the Beta...

[@aakarmamtora3470]

Yeah like you know

[@billybob4274]

The Beta for 26.

[@Krisheslop]

It’s an MVP

[@davidboomsma93]

There is no FM25

[@StreetSoulLover]

@@davidboomsma93 lol

[@comicsaresick]

Feels very no man’s sky. My gut says flops at launch, rescued after Xmas

[@southerntw]

Welp potentially rescued at FM26 honestly

[@niismo.]

​@@southerntwI actually am betting on a FM25 flop and am praying for FM26, as I just bought FM24 yesterday

[@BGNewsReporter]

After Xmas is very optimisitc IMO!

[@lebronjohnson6735]

Yeah yeah rescued by Christmas . Like my great grandfather invading Russia in the spring of '42. Maybe saved by FM27.

[@ZellS-dc4iu]

Ur dumb then couse fm24 was free 😂😂​@@niismo.

[@CalTheDamned]

im suprised people are so caught up on graphics, because lets be honest the game is a giant excel spreadsheet and a simulator the graphics have never really bothered me.

[@niibarnor1011]

I use 2D then 3D replays the graphics never bothered me cause my laptop couldn’t even handle them. My university one now can handle it but I still don’t consider it a big pull for me

[@lordjustinian2913]

I gotta be honest and say I agree, the graphics don't bother me as well but I legitimately do like playing older games like Dawn of War I and Age of Mythology even in the current day.

[@ntw3002]

I'm thirsting to see ever rounder circles bobbing around on the big green rectangle

[@zak725]

I doubt the graphics will actually looks good. It will just go from looking like a 2003 game to looking like a 2009 game at best.

[@deltav864]

I've been gaming since most graphics where a couple of pixels and three colors so it's not the be all end all for me, but if the match engine looked like a worse Sensible Soccer I wouldn't be playing. I want the match engine to come as close as possible to watching an actual match.

[@futkingdse7463]

I completely get your concerns, the FM 2020 trailer was released a whole FIVE YEARS before FM 25!

[@codycomer4623]

This feels like a year to chill and enjoy fm24 for another year then grab 26 when they’ve had time to actually make a complete game.

[@DubberRucks]

💯

[@johnny_rson9536]

Amen

[@indyprosandcons329]

Couldn’t agree more

[@lethargicmosquito]

or just pay for game pass for a month, try it out for a day, if you don't feel it uninstall and play all the other excellent games in the library for the 29 days you got left

[@lar2875]

@@lethargicmosquitoyou mean 29 days not playing football manager!!!!! i don’t have the discipline

[@matthewbelcher5389]

Finallly a content creator being honest, rather than Lollujo who keeps blowing smoke up their arse

[@SteveGSmith914]

Lollujo is extremely mentally impaired.

[@chrisfmjesusmountsteven6146]

To be fair I think lollujo admitted he would buy the game if it looked like 08 so he's easy to please but not really best person to review change 😂

[@eggeggeggeggeggeggeggegg]

DoctorBenjy refused to say anything negative about it either, instead he’s choosing to be “positive” this year. I’ve watched them long enough to know their real thoughts…

[@chrisfmjesusmountsteven6146]

@@eggeggeggeggeggeggeggegg yeah Ben been a bit all over in last couple of years although I had the feelings he had with 23 with 24. For me it's been three lackluster years other than corners. I think this is why a lot of ppl are annoyed and rightfully so.

[@ianbanks3016]

I wouldn't go to Kev if you want a frank and honest review of the game. Kev will always be excited and positive about it.

[@MattMcMatt]

Potential red flag for me is that the interface doesn’t seem to be customisable. In the past we could move all the panels around and add new ones, so the default layout really didn’t matter to me

[@vanman266]

I'm 100% confident it's going to be an absolute shambles.

[@Klyptic]

FM is like upgrading a phone, very incremental upgrades every year. I upgrade every 3 years or so (unless I get it for free like FM24), or else you will barely be able to notice what has changed

[@joellapointe9139]

I do a 2 year period... Now I'm gonna wait another 2 years till they right the ship!

[@breakingliam1836]

Wearing one of my favourite Celtic tops for a Zealand vid. I like

[@ferryvanleyen5606]

Why pay full price for a game with less options? And a bunch of redesigned user interfaces?

[@backuptokeshav]

basically fm

[@aakarmamtora3470]

It's not like they're going to remove and not add anything else. Let's wait and see. Devs gets criticism if they don't change anything for years and when they do there's people like you. They just can't win

[@DubberRucks]

They don't get a pass though. They are held accountable for their actions or lack thereof. That's how the studios can get better at their craft imo

[@Chilledinho]

it’s only £40; it’s hardly a full price game to begin with lmao

[@ferryvanleyen5606]

@@Chilledinho For that money you also don't get a full game.

[@lordjustinian2913]

Honestly you are the first youtuber to basically be like I'm not going to provide keys for preordering the game and you legitimately do say "People shouldn't preorder games as a whole." It's like finally we got a football Manager youtuber and player who doesn't go against his opinions that much

[@monsternoob12]

TomFM said it too

[@DucNguyen-ou8ij]

Pre-ordering is a practice that has become very outdated nowadays and gamers would do well to stop buying games before release. Unfortunately some people either don't care or are too impatient to wait for reviews

[@mattnottm8363]

I've always hated how FM's coming out months in to the football season. This farce could've been used to reset this issue by SI giving themself more time to develop this version of FM25 and instead just releasing a stop-gap data pack for FM24 to cover this season, then releasing the new-flashy-Unity game next season AT THE START OF THE SEASON in August. It just makes sense.

[@JazzBobification]

This is an excellent shout

[@magicaces13]

that would be logical though...

[@jayt7005]

totally agree!!

[@klaatii]

September though because of the final transfers

[@morlath4767]

I always appreciate you shouting down the concept of pre-orders. I've never liked the practice, and the only time I've ever done so is last year when I did at just prior to the end of the beta after watching you and the other guys play the game to get the double discounts.

[@m.p.5232]

Delayed release to march 2025 - good decision not to ruin the reputation and deliver a better product later on.

[@benmann16]

Downloaded the fan made squad update for FM24 and started a new save. Can’t see this being ready at launch.

[@Tokubrother]

Where can I download?

[@AyDe93]

@@Tokubrothertry sortitout / fmscout - updated mine yesterday, took 5 mins! Caveat is that you can’t use “real world” game setup, but that’s not exactly an issue with this

[@GeneticVehicle]

The games logo is happy merchant hand rubbing

[@RB-xr6mi]

Really respect you for not pushing the pre sale code. Hopefully we get some good news soon as it isn’t looking good!

[@VurtAddicted]

The fact that most FM streamers are getting mad gives me hope. A lot of hope.

[@DubberRucks]

I'm invested in this storyline since FM24 dropped on Epic for free not too long ago. Haven't played one of these since the Champ Manager days.

[@Shyguy71588]

SI are laughing in their million dollar mansions knowing you guys will be duped into buying an unfinished product

[@VurtAddicted]

@@Shyguy71588 Did I ever write I am going to buy it whatever it is? Oh, and for the records even at Firewalk Studios they were probably laughing, but they are not laughing anymore

[@thecastawaydc]

6:56 Wait, you're not? My life is now in turmoil...

[@zyleramos4144]

My exact reaction. Now I'm wondering where the fuck I got this forehead from

[@plcdfa]

I'm 99% sure they are waaay behind where they're supposed to be in the development cycle. 1, They pushed the release date => pushing the release by a few weeks is always the worst possible sign. Publishers don't move a release to iron out minor bugs, they do that AFTER the release. Postponing it means they didn't have the confidence they could get it in a playable state by the original date. Problem is, what can they accomplish in a few additional weeks? And unlike other games, SI don't have much leeway to delay it further due to the yearly release schedule, if they can't get the game out before christmas, they might as well just cancel it and concentrate on '26. 2, After years of development, a few weeks before release, there's still not a single screenshot of the match engine, not to mention videos. Beyond weird. 3, Removed features. If I wanted to be cynical I'd say they wanna pull a Madden, and just use them as the "new" features for the next few years' releases, but I don't think SI would do it if they didn't feel like they absolutely have to, because the optics are horrible. 4, No early access - they may still announce it, but I'd very suprised. Bottom line, I fully expect this to be a buggy unfinished mess of a release, and that's the good scenario. Definitely wouldn't pre-order.

[@eggeggeggeggeggeggeggegg]

I’m far less concerned about the lack of game being shown before release than the console/mobile ification of FM. The game is being made worse to simplify it for casual players. I play all 3 ways of playing the game but I do not want my core playing experience (PC) to be less than it should be. It’s a slap in the face to hardcore fans that have bought the game for 10+ years

[@doyle8711]

100% agree. They are stabbing the hardcore fans in the back to chase the console cash.

[@UFl_NotInOurForest]

You need cash to invest to make a better game! Or they will left behind, they need more money for more developers etc. ​@doyle8711

[@brgracio]

I think the whole idea with the panels is to make the game accessible to both casual and hardcore players, allowing you to get basic stuff on a panel but then drilling down to all the detail people are used to. Maybe this is too optimistic, but I would expect SI to not disregard people who buy the game every year.

[@doyle8711]

@@brgracio This is what they should do however it's not what Miles has said in every interview. He has been talking up simplifying the game over and over.

[@kakskdjfnakodndn]

​@@doyle8711what's wrong with simplification? The goal of every company is to simplify features for their customers. A lot of the current features in the game are just a ballache to interact with, smarter UIs might help to fix this.

[@ianbanks3016]

This is by far the best and most honest take on FM25 from any of the big content creators. Far too many unanswered questions this year about FM25, the delay, the fact we've seen nothing of the graphics/match engine, the pictures of the frankly awful UI they've released have me worried. Everything is so small, I've no idea how anyone is supposed to play that on a laptop. They've not even confirmed you can take your save from FM24 into FM25. With its cards and tiles it all looks optimised for console (which I don't play on).The removal of features and the blog posts from SI make me feel that FM25 will pretty much be a bug filled beta. I'll wait for the reviews by content creators llike yourself before decidng to buy it, so I'm trusting you guys to be absolutely honest and transparent with your reviews. If it's as bad as I think it's going to be I'll be happy with FM24 with an updated database for another year.

[@n1troni]

60 euro for a half finished video game is just too much. SI screwed this up big time. For years they have announced FM25 and said they wont do much changes to Fm23 and 24. yet we are still getting a half finished game which the rest of it will come out in 26. so no point in buying 25 if we can just download it for free before 26 comes out

[@GorillaMastah]

Especially when they said FM23 and 24 won’t be huge updates because they’re working on FM25. Wtf have they been doing for the past 2-3 years if they seemingly have nothing to show off. If going to a new engine is your flagship, then show it off!

[@ollyrowe5445]

It’s not 60 euros though is it 😂

[@n1troni]

@@ollyrowe5445 it is on steam lol🤡

[@n1troni]

Yea it is. ​@@ollyrowe5445

[@KolyoSofiata]

Even the one feature they feel confident in feels like a downer. They talked about women's football as early as 2021, after four years the feeling is more "it's about time" rather than seeing it as an exciting new thing. Combine that with the lack of national team management and the hype for the feature is kind of dead, at least for me.

[@Writeous0ne]

Right, then you combine the fact they've removed loads of small features to help get it done quicker then totally negated that logic by adding a big brand new feature in women's football. This was not the time for it. Also if you do research on women's gaming share in sports games it is extremely small. Features are usually added because there's a demand for it not because it's a nice thing to do.

[@T.E.S.S.]

​@@Writeous0ne as if you would EVER think it was the time for it

[@tornadoduck]

​@@T.E.S.S. imo theres a right time and eafc 24 definitely did it at the right time with adding women in ut, an actual good feature for once.

[@Writeous0ne]

@@T.E.S.S. Next year. I watch womens football so don't start with the accusations of misogyny.

[@GlynnParry-bs6xg]

Agree, it feels like you wanted women's football, you can't have international. What, what?

[@xambrehgm]

I talked all my friends into getting fm 2024 when they started talking about 25. I get the feeling that 24 will be the game that will hold the line for fm fans for a while.

[@DubberRucks]

Yep. That's what no in-game footage is saying to me. I'd rather see the game being played before I made a move to get it.

[@michaelgainford]

You can see it in the UI. They gunning for mobile. Same happened with PES (now eFootball). Ripped the soul out of the game - essentially - 'to modernise'. They've been building the game back up for 3 years and we still have no Master League. Would be sad to see FM go the same way.

[@Spukow]

Resisting the Urge to pre order is very easy right now lol

[@piotrgryczynski7516]

I’m not even done with ads and there is like 15 comments video came out 3 minutes ago..

[@AMPR45]

bro fell on

[@robertryan6782]

KZbin Premium 👍

[@AlexandreOliveira-ei5ig]

Bro doesn’t pay premium (me neither)

[@robertryan6782]

@AlexandreOliveira-ei5ig Great value though for you and your brother!

[@tillicumbeach638]

adblock ultimate

[@davidmcmonagle6559]

took me 7 minutes in to realise you are wearing a Celtic shirt, as a Celtic fan.... such was my keenness to learn something new about this game, speaks volumes for the reasons for this video

[@oscobblepotcobblepot6972]

You can’t even complain because Miles will take it personally and block you 🙄😂

[@bigmaguire9714]

Literally happened to me once 😂

[@drebbihc]

He’s one of the biggest wet wipe game developers going

[@bkak2245]

Lol remember when Z made a vid complaining abt dynamic youth rating not being a thing despite it being the apparent big thing in fm23 and miles was just bitching in the comments

[@ellipticalsoul]

He's full of shit. Spent years telling everyone it was impossible to put xG in the game and that there was no point (and the same thing about 3d match engine if you remember back in the day). One of the biggest egomaniacs and bullshitters in the business.

[@TheSilentScreamX]

I'm not nervous. I can still play FM24 if the game sucks. I played CM 01/02 for years while we waited for FM to get good, and I can do the same here. The people melting down over FM25 need help. Definitely not pre-ordering FM25, there's no reason to, and they haven't given us one.

[@ot7302]

Zoomer want everything now, no patience.

[@IlTerry89]

I’m not getting mad because FM25 seems bad (my first one was CM 01/02) but I’m worried because this can deal a huge damage to SI, they’ve made the step to Unity, there’s no way back and if FM25 will be a bad early access game, well, the future ahead for SI seems to be an hard one

[@kakskdjfnakodndn]

​@@IlTerry89They've built a reasonable amount of good faith over the years, they could probably get away with a botched year. What might hurt them is that egotistical man-child they have handling most of their public engagement.

[@IlTerry89]

@@kakskdjfnakodndn yes, my concerns are on long term, if they lost a large amount of player base, it can worsen the situation. Or they just switch player base, from a core/hardcore one to a more casual gamer player base, heavily focusing on mobile and console version

[@luda_ace]

Yo Z did you see that FM25 comes out next year in March

[@transmakaka]

I am not going to be surprised if we will see the same-ish match graphic as it was before moving to unity. Especially animations.

[@PolakInHolland]

Imagine getting rid of a feature 6% of players play to introduce one that less than 1% will. Everything woke turns to shit.

[@i0ushephf]

The thing that most non developers don’t understand is that the engine may not do that much for visuals. If they’re just porting the current assets all we’ll see is maybe a little different lighting. But unity is not necessarily known for being a great rendering engine

[@jigajiga]

I still playing fm23 and I enjoy very. Only database I update and that's it

[@romeo.3472]

FM25 : Franchise Killer

[@DubberRucks]

FM25 = FM26 beta

[@AntiSociety100]

You know what sounds like a bad idea to me? Implementing women football when you don't even have the basic game together. The amount of time to input everything regarding female football and it's balancing has to be HUGE, and I'll bet everyone that no more then 5% of the saves will even touch women's football. But who t f needs international football ehj. LOL

[@jordza2k11]

Outside of day 1 content creating *COUGH* Lollujo *COUGH* it'll be 0.5% for women, but you know they'll use day 1 numbers as a year long stat for the women to hide the fact they're pandering to a non existent fanbase

[@LiftandCoa]

1:28 I genuinely think the fm content creators will get into a situation that's similar to the cities skylines creators. constantly trying to put our a fire they haven't created, trying to please the people that accepted the slop and to appease the people calling out cs2 is a full priced beta version

[@FlyingwithFire]

smart creators always diversify what they talk about.

[@drebbihc]

I used to watch so many CS creators and hardly have at all since they went to CS2 because I just don’t care

[@gm2407]

CS1 is great, 2 I dont fancy playing.

[@nursetobee.]

I believe he is starting that with his Football documentarys & Ck3 streams

[@NerieI]

Yeah, the fact that I still know basically nothing about FM25 is the reason I am not pre-order any time soon.

[@eyeballjellyforbreakfast]

lol wut? Never pre-order anything ever. There you go fixed it for you.

[@solice6475]

I don't understand pre ordering digital games It's not like it will run out of stock

[@tipi5586]

Buy a steam key for FM 19, you can't buy the game on the storefront, but the keys are still redeemable.

[@VellaniF1FA-y1t]

This needs to be said: I love your takes about the women's leagues and all that. Just adds another dimension to the game. I see us using it in the long run in saves that are more journeymen and that could be a really good time. I'm optimistic about this game in general coming from FM24 so i really hope for the best.

[@portugalking15]

I think I have never seen Zealand so "serious" in a vid

[@rascalmisaki1842]

Thank you for making this video, there are a few content creators that I won't name who are blindly championing FM and ignoring all the warning signs. We all want the best game possible but we need to hold SI the to right standards.

[@JP_LDN582]

i thought i was the only one who noticed this. they are defending so hard, like their livelihood depends on it 💀💀

[@werner6140]

According to chat gpt, the average attendance in the second division of indonesia's quite comparable to that of the women's premier league/mls. Didn't check it further, but wanted to put that out there for all the Indonesia division 2 haters :D

[@orosztamas1158]

fantastic integrity not to even give out the codes, love it

[@KrisRobinson]

They added the women's game which is great, but the fact they took out showing a players weight because of it? Now I don't care what a player weighs, but the fact they took it out because "women's weight fluctuates and blah blah blah" just shows what's important to them, it shows where their head's at, and honestly it doesn't seem like the focus is on making the most authentic football management simulator possible. I went from buying the game every year and 1000's of hours every year to skipping 21 and 22, now 24, and I think 23 will be the last one I buy unless SI go back to their roots. Unfortunately I doubt that will happen unless Miles were to leave.😥

[@MrSasza44]

There was almost zero demand for rapid transfer to new engine. And the main problem is we are losing features that we were using (and with high probability of many more "to be added in future updates) but huzzah - woman's football. At this point they should announce that there will be no FM this year.

[@RVered]

The old match engine is antiquated and fundamentally flawed, but everything else is on point. I was shocked at all the confirmed missing features and will skip FM25 because of that. Besides, I'm willing to bet money that they showed no gameplay because it looks underwhelming. Depth >>> Slightly better match engine and graphics.

[@pedrororiz9910]

miles jacobson should go. the demands for FM 2.0 is beyond his skill, even in marketing. it is time to reshufle everything.

[@blackstanmarsh]

They should have released a 2025 database update for FM 24 and released on the Unity engine next year. Would have kept the fans happy and given them extra time to finish working out the issues with Unity.

[@SongofIceandTea]

The Fact that SI even think that new FM logo is good enough concerns me, it's make me wonder if they have any Quality Control to check everything before it's release.

[@pan2990]

That logo is a legitimate abomination.

[@joshbracken5450]

They do and it's one of the same "Miles". So God help us. He's still on the tablet bender he's been on for years and the 3d faces.

[@DubberRucks]

I watched someone recently call the new logo a brain and now I can't unsee it. 🤣

[@joshbracken5450]

@DubberRucks it looks ridiculous. Who signed off on that? I did see someone mock it up and if you slightly rotate it a bit it's a lot easier to read but still the classic FM logo was simple and perfect in my opinion. Changing for changing sake is stupid.

[@terminalfilms8074]

This game has slowly become my life, and honestly I can say I don't really care if FM 25 is good. I am perfectly content playing FM 24

[@al-islaam]

Fm be like : Lets remove everything that 95% of players dont play, but make womans football the big feature what 99% dont want to play.

[@pandadoublexl]

Nonsense

[@bushmonster1702]

@@pandadoublexl I'm sure all three people will enjoy the women's game.

[@pandadoublexl]

@@bushmonster1702 women's football is not "the big feature", and "let's remove everything that 95% of players dont play" is literally nonsense.

[@miqoto]

Usually when no screens are shared it's a bad sign. I'm waiting until reviewers play it and give us actual feedback

[@GmHomer]

The release has been delayed untill March

[@Davidbaratunk]

Zealand, I think Kirby"s height is what it is, is because these are not actually screenshots, but mockups made in a separate program for a presentation, which is why the highlights and some of the information doesn't make sense. So really, we don't even have anything from the game, as of yet.

[@patshipnik3689]

If you'll closely look at "screenshots", her info panel completely match Ferguson's info panel. Height, Reputation, Personality and Foots. So, you're right, it's not an actual screenshots, but placeholders

[@NJTRAF]

@@patshipnik3689 Even then it's not right, because Ferguson is 6ft tall, 183cm, not 188cm, which is 6ft 2"

[@guguy00]

Mitoma's height is different though. Also the screenshot insinuates that Kirby has no caps for England. She has 73. And 19 goals...

[@goranmatic6761]

Delayed until March 2025.!

[@willmena96]

Not pre-ordering videogames should be the normal thing to do. I think there are only a handful of games that you definitely know they'll always be bangers. For everything else you should always wait until the game is out 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Drakenlot]

I personally stopped preordering games with No Mans Sky. I’m very pleased with how it turned out eventually, but I was pissed at launch. Wish I waited for a discount… Not even preordering Atlus games, games I have never been disappointed with

[@willmena96]

@@Drakenlot 100% agree

[@guguy00]

I only make exceptions for Yakuza/Like a Dragon games... If only because I'm a huge fanboy, they've never let me down, and also I might not have the money when the game comes out and I'm playing it launch day. That said if you want the preorder bonus anyway, just pre-order a few hours before launch. Then you get the PO bonus and it might be too late for the publisher to add you to the preorder numbers.

[@CallumHopkins]

I am one of those weirdos who remembers the introduction to 3D match engines and the backlash originally it had. That was 10x better organised than this update and that scares me considering how long it took for 3D engine to be accepted

[@RltchieI]

It sounds like it could be another Championship Manager 4 situation. It’s a shame as I was thinking of coming back into the world of FM after missing the last three instalments. Not sure I can be bothered waiting until 2025 for them to fix the bugs, if that is going to be the case.

[@rafaeltrivino4333]

I am already convinced to keep playing FM24 for a long time. Just like I still play PES 2021 before Konami destroyed our game.

[@TheJW7]

But where’s the sidebar gone :(

[@guguy00]

I hated that change when 15 came out and now I'm gonna miss it.

[@5mattcolour]

To be honest moving to a new game engine is a monumental undertaking for any studio. Basically having to redo the entire game code from scratch line by line. I think people are forgetting that and assuming it’s just last year’s release with a few new features.

[@quietinsound8087]

Live update = subscription. going the same route as Pro evolution, what ever abomination that turned into.

[@LorenzoRaider]

Huge W for you here Z. The self respect to not give out the pre order code after criticizing the game's management heavily (and rightfully so), unlike others, should be applauded.

[@Gonganiubi]

Definite sub for rocking a Celtic shirt

[@JamieAubrey]

Unsubbed for it

[@Gonganiubi]

Lose a penny, find a pound

[@socire72]

@@JamieAubreyCalm down orangeman 😂

[@JamieAubrey]

@@socire72 It was a joke, people can be sensitive lol

[@CallumOneil999]

I was a little bit nervous when thinking about it like wondering if it would be like The Sims in the sense the last game has all this content but the new one is bare bones. I do feel like they should have tried to bring the release date sooner as when the season first starts that's personally when I want to play the most. I'm still looking forward to seeing FM25, I didn't play much of 24 since in the beta I think the first 3 games I hit the bar like 12 times and lost two games. I have figured out Databases so if FM25 isn't something I love then I will probably just stick to FM24 as hopefully they fixed the issues I had early on and I can try change my childhood and manage Arsenal from 2007/08 the season I started to support them

[@thefool8094]

Sweet Jesus Zealand you should start reviewing Star Wars content as well.

[@NicholasTwinn]

I’ve been playing these games since Kevin Toms 1984 Football manager right through the Championship Manager and FM versions. It’s about being able to live out your own football stories. But the gaming world has changed. Money men turn the wheels of creativity and they’ll never understand the above. The greed of yearly ‘improved’ versions has evolved into ‘improved but not bugged - hey don’t worry cos we will get round to fixing it after enough people buy it’…. Oh, time for next release is it 🤷🏼‍♂️ Look at how many quality games have been released in the industry over the last 5-6 year? I haven’t had a PC for about 8 year. I tried 2 iOS versions and the first 2 ps5 versions. Probably played through a combined 30+ seasons on those. Then completely gave up. Never once had that immersive feeling of creating a story of my own so have pretty much gave up and vowed to not spend another penny on a dumbed down version. I was intending to buy a new PC to play FM25 but boy am I happy I waited. How many PC units sold? How many mobile, tablet, console units sold? Sorry guys but I’m pretty sure they have realised that why make several versions when one will do. Your getting a nice shiny hollow new game. The PC version will have a few things extra added to sell the fantasy to the mindless faithful. 1-2 million PC players will buy, play, become disillusioned. The devs will probably be utterly disheartened but a job is a job. Then the ones that leave will get involved in the new FM crowdfunded start up in about 5 years time. I’ll buy that one. I sincerely hope I’m completely wrong about this, time will tell 🤞🏼

[@TJW-YT]

It’s definitely concerning that we know so little this close to launch, but ultimately even if the new graphics engine is bad or worse than what people had hoped for it’s still going to be football manager at its core. For me I know that I’ll enjoy FM regardless of the changes, but I was hoping that the graphics being more modern might entice a larger crowd into the game which in turn would help the game to continue to grow and become better.

[@SLS-4Kubica]

I wouldn't be surprised if they monetize FM 25, They already tried selling bandages and things to heal players on the console version

[@stephensinclair8127]

IT professionals looking at the information released so far and thinking 'yikes'.

[@88Staal]

From what i have seen so far FM25 looks like it's built for iPad. This will be the first time i don't pre-order the game. SI have announced nothing new for FM25 but they have announced things they have removed from the game.

[@OtherSun.223]

13:25 I disagree to be honest. It sounds good, but I think that it will just lead to them shipping an unfinished product and patching it up as they go, with each full game being less and less finished initially. It would be great if it meant getting 100% of the game on launch and then some glitter on top of it during the year, but I just do not believe that it will be like that.

[@ANuclearError]

I've been wondering, how did you end up with the piano keys Celtic away kit in particular?

[@LatajaceStadoKotow]

Indonesian second division vs Women's football is not a just comparison of resources allocated vs the benefits. You probably had to analyze a whole lot of aspects of women's game to create a realistic simulation of it, so it's a lot more resources than just sending scouts and creating database. And you can compare women's football with the Latvian league or the second division of Indonesian football, but on the whole that you can play in Belarus or Portuguese lower leagues is a huge part of the appeal of the game. Anyway, women's game, once added, probably will be a lot easier to maintain than "invent", so maybe it'll make a profit, but perhaps they could've done it a year after jumping to unity engine. Doing both at the same time seems crazy.

[@ciprian9116]

i bet the match engine is going to look like fifa 2010 max and even this would be a miracle

[@Matthew-x6d7c]

I had a strange idea. I'll preface by saying it would be highly improbable. Imagine if FM made a mode called flashback or something. You could take charge at pivotal points of clubs/National Teams history (I.E When SAF stepped down from United or when Pep left Barca or when Scaloni got appointed). You would have the same squads that existed then in an FM sense (Sort of like NBA2K's way of being able to go between eras in manager mode). Would give Zealand a lot of material and if successful. Could branch into being able to do eras like 2K does it. Also would have the same rules as the time obv. I know it would be so hard to do and it would be time consuming to find all the players from Indonesia's 2nd tier in 2013 and quantify their worth now but just a cool idea

[@Schm1dtstorm]

Some people release historical databases but for that to be put in the base game would be an insane amount of work.

[@pandadoublexl]

This is possible (in a way) via custom databases. It's not something SI are ever going to introduce as an actual feature of the game.

[@ZnakeTech]

Didn't they use to have some challenges in the game, like 6-10 years ago? I may be confusing it with a different game, but I remember something like take over a club in the relegation zone, with 10 matches left in the season, and save them and stuff like that.

[@Tom-qb1rj]

Will take them 20 years to do that it seems, hire a whole team to do women’s footy and can’t get kirbys height correct

[@ianbanks3016]

You can downnload historical databases.

[@_fruitnveg]

i've been out of the FM loop for a few years and was planning to jump back in with 25. Nothing i've heard recently is very encouraging though to be honest, I think i may just wait another year.

[@doyle8711]

FM24 is very good and worth a buy.

[@Draddar]

Relative to release date the trailer and announcements are pretty much in line with the timelines of previous years. Why is everyone ignoring this? I get it: we'd like more information, yes it does feel they are still behind in development and their marketing strategy is terrible. But objectively for now everything is just shifted by 3 weeks.

[@gaffer2602]

Yeah, and a lot of people didn't even get FM 24 until a few weeks ago

[@L3WISMC1998]

Zealand with a Celtic top on :) is it Christmas? What a guy

[@Pvrge.]

14:47 Yes, but can you see the difference in the amount of resources necessary between adding the 2nd Indonesian division, and adding women's football to the game? The first one is probably done in a couple of days, and the latter took MULTIPLE years because they had to rebuild everything to make it work. If they gave more resources to their existing FM development team instead of creating a new one for women's football, the game probably wouldn't be delayed and most of the issues would've been gone. All of it is caused by splitting the development team in multiple different segments and spreading the resources thin.

[@kieronparr3403]

@@Pvrge. They could've added more leagues whilst working on the rest of the game

[@pogogod6036]

True. There's no point in adding women's football while the resources is limited. Indonesian 2nd division at least complement their 1st division which are being used by Indonesians or other players from that region like Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore, etc. They at least add immersion to the core game, while women's football will be like a totally separated game.

[@danielsantarosa101]

I've only pre-ordered two games my entire life: Pokémon Y, because it's Pokémon, can't really go too bad and pre-orders got a nice poster, and GTA V, because again, it's GTA, can't really go too bad and pre-orders got a nice poster. I did buy Baldur's Gate 3 on early access but that's a bit different For this one I'll do the post-order by waiting until FM 26 or 27 to buy it again

[@paulgrant9273]

celtic top, my man *salute*

[@pro.football.editz99]

i just noticed it and went newest first, love the kit ngl, definitely not biased in any way 😉

[@aliel-araby]

Here's a theory based on the roadmap and assuming reveals are weekly: We won't see anything about the match engine until the week of November 4 at least. Another theory: FM26 will also be behind because of how much they'll have to work on 25 all cycle.

[@badbadrocket]

Finally a great take. Subscribed as im getting tired of other youtubers varying from fan blaming to sweeping under the rug

[@deccylad]

The fan blaming from some creators has actually been crazy, needs called out more

[@jonnyrosas1739]

And to top it all off my 2017 iMac won’t support the newer fms anymore. So I now need to buy a whole new computer to play fm

[@harolddpvp8994]

SI act like they don’t like their fanbase

[@mw56101]

Does anyone like their fanbase?

[@boomshanka4667]

They dont like the fan base, they just want your money.

[@joesmoothee]

I'd be so happy for them to release even next year, to make sure the game is good

[@Hibbert17]

I am tired of people saying they do not care about graphics like they are better than others. Good for you. I do care about the graphics-specifically the animations and physics. I prefer to base my decisions on what I see during the match, rather than just relying on numbers.

[@thomaswoodey2172]

Your getting confused between graphics and match engine

[@rickybuhl3176]

I'd love to see Zealand trying some of the obscure management games - like Peter Schmeichel Soccer (Zeppelin Games, 1994. PC), Kenny Dalglish Soccer Manager for the Spectrum or Multi-Player Soccer Manager that I think came out on the Amstrad.

[@MSkinnz]

LOVE... that Celtic top! Hail hail brother

[@michaelmcmillan1432]

🍀🍀

[@SamButler22]

Pre-ordering games makes no sense in the digital era regardless of how much info they give you. Until the day before if you're pre-installing

[@fearless3257]

I mean it’s 10% off, so it’s not completely pointless

[@Mordred1337]

hey rejoice, at least they added womens football and invested a lot of resources into that. so no big deal that the rest of the game becomes a casual shitshow with features removed and nothing to show for 2 month before the launch.

[@TwoPoachedEggs]

omg shut up, Zealand has even specifically mentioned before (so sexists like you wouldnt comment this), that womens football was worked on by an entirely new team at SI hired for that specific purpose. It didnt take resources away from any other area. Showing your bias loud and clear

[@GHT-d4s]

​@@TwoPoachedEggs How could he be sexist? In fact no one asked for women's football. He just cares about what he wants, and those features were removed probably due to the addition of women's football. SI had the money to hire a specific team, why not use that money to invest in other more important aspects of the game? I don't think adding women's football into fm25 is a good idea, especially there is a big engine update.

[@TwoPoachedEggs]

@TKS2128 "How could he be sexist?" really? By doing what you just did, making the false assumption that SI removed other features to add womens football. They didnt. Blaming the addition of womens football for anything else has no actual logic behind it, it's just hate towards womens football. If you can't understand why making up false information to further your own (frankly shit) opinion is bad, I'm not wasting more of my time explaining it

[@GHT-d4s]

@@TwoPoachedEggs I don't think this is false information mate, as it is actually one of many possible reasons why they removed so many features. It makes sense to blame the addition of women's football. If there are any issues that aren't entirely certain, does that mean opinions can't be expressed? Everyone has their own perspective, just like someone might say the new graphical update added too much work and caused them to drop some game features. Would such an opinion be considered "false information"? I really don't think the comment is sexist. Let me repeat my point: FM25 had too many new additions, which might result in uneven resource allocation, causing them to give up certain original features. You said that the development of women's football was done by another team and wouldn't affect other parts of the game-that's exactly what I disagree. Didn't hiring this additional team cost money? Isn't money a resource? I am not against the addition of women's football, but it should have been added in later editions rather than FM25.

[@AaronsGameReviews]

The menus are really looking like theyve been reduced towards like a mobile/console style. I started FM on console and the menus are all condensed to fit the lack of a mouse and keyboard and it looks that way from the screenshots. I dont hate them but they look simplified.

[@BriannaMoore-h7l]

Every time you post, I'm excited!

[@renaldasuk]

is it possible that match engine, tactics etc. are not ready and they are delaying as much as possible to fix/ develop them before it can be presented?