Why F1 Manager 2022 FAILED!

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In march 2022, a game was announced that had the community in great anticipation: F1 Manager 2022. However, just over a year later, the game is rather considered a failure in retrospect, which is due to the fact that there were many lost opportunities and unfilled potential. In this video, Marvin explains which aspects in particular caused the game to fail.
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@zeconster
@zeconster Жыл бұрын
The game definitely has flaws, some of them quite serious, but the video gives off a big "they did not nail everything on the first try, therefore the game is a complete failure" vibe, which I disagree with.
@darrylprabowo9083
@darrylprabowo9083 Жыл бұрын
This video is too harsh. We've been waiting for this game for a decade, sure it's not perfect but personally i feel this is a good foundation to start. I hope the next game addresses the things that are mentioned in this video
@lucasart328
@lucasart328 Жыл бұрын
Its bloody garbage it should be right the first time.
@hollohullu9448
@hollohullu9448 Жыл бұрын
They shouldn’t need multiple games to get it right, standards have really been lowered by yearly releases if people think that
@indochinaconnex4308
@indochinaconnex4308 Жыл бұрын
You must of not played f1 manager 1999. Yeah 1999. Had way way more features, way more fun and addictive. It’s their first try but it’s not the first manager game. They have a bunch of games they could of researched and built from.
@AbsoleteAim
@AbsoleteAim Жыл бұрын
@@lucasart328 Then we would've never gotten games like FM using your mentality.
@justsomedude168
@justsomedude168 Жыл бұрын
They should definitely follow the hardcore fan route like football manager did. Motorsport manager already exists and is there for the casual fans. To be fair, football manager has been around for an extremely long time but is probably the most successful manager game out there and should be the blueprint to be followed
@_getnoobednxgen1897
@_getnoobednxgen1897 Жыл бұрын
Funny thing is that f1 22 manager is actually so much easier haha, its a shame really. For now i defo choose MM with mods over F1 manager.
@justsomedude168
@justsomedude168 Жыл бұрын
@@_getnoobednxgen1897 agreed. MM is a simple game itself but is more complicated to play. F1 manager still has a long way to go.
@fin-ed6oj
@fin-ed6oj Жыл бұрын
It was not a failure, it was a good first game in the series. They're obviously not going to nail it on the first try
@robertvlietstra2415
@robertvlietstra2415 Жыл бұрын
Motorsport Manager is by many considered to be a better game compared to F1 manager even though that game is from 2014 and was made by a small team. Since F1M was 60 euros from the start I think people are allowed to voice their dissatisfaction with the gameplay loops being boring, the game lacking features, and just the big amount of bugs and bad AI.
@PapaBear6t8
@PapaBear6t8 Жыл бұрын
If you ask for a triple A price you need to nail it on the first try. MM is three times cheaper and does a better job than F1M22... and they had only one try because it wasn't an annual iteration! Not to mention that F1M22 has no workshop support which is telling a lot about how much they care about the people playing this game... heck, they don't even have a game editor! 👎
@REXae86
@REXae86 Жыл бұрын
Ut was horrible
@scottbradord1094
@scottbradord1094 Жыл бұрын
The biggest problem was probably that the game got repetetive, and it was not a big challenge to win either. I won the drivers and constructors championship with haas after 3 seasons and after that I just had to research the same things and upgrade the same things to stay on the top. No challenge at all, and you should be able to skip all of the free practice sessions and get a good tune. The Ai always made the cars 60% at best, when i could get 100% easily, it just took 30 minutes before every race and I even knew the outcome of everything
@r1ce04
@r1ce04 Жыл бұрын
mhm also i think they should add like difficulties for each saves, like beginner, amateur, professional etc imo.
@joshaltea
@joshaltea Жыл бұрын
You can win with any team in season two if you properly optimise to win
@superepicness1554
@superepicness1554 Жыл бұрын
100%, this was by far the biggest problem with last game, it was just far far to easy to develop the car miles faster than competitors. I won the constructers championship with Alpine in my first season and by season 2 I was finishing races so far ahead of the competition the game became very boring.
@travisfubu9053
@travisfubu9053 Жыл бұрын
" after that I just had to research the same things and upgrade the same things to stay on the top" Wow it is like real F1 teams domination or something.
@x1_n_only_jtm_
@x1_n_only_jtm_ Жыл бұрын
I thought it was a fun game myself! Played 4 or 5 seasons and was addicted to it. Yeah they could make it better but it's the first of the series🤷‍♂️
@cartermaloof4980
@cartermaloof4980 Жыл бұрын
I agree, I hope that the developers build upon and really add to the game, it still has that potential that other manager games have, I hope the developers have learnt from F1 manager 22 and go from there. It's all I really want.
@SeaLion8488
@SeaLion8488 Жыл бұрын
I'm afraid the developer Frontier has a history of letting their games languish. This was a big opportunity for them and they missed the mark. I could see them loosing the license if they don't fix this game.
@mequana
@mequana Жыл бұрын
Wtf...If they need To fix their gane, what tf has Codemasters to do? 💀
@matthewslates
@matthewslates Жыл бұрын
"Failure" is a bit of a stretch. The game definitely has issues, but it was a solid first attempt. This is the F1 management game in 20 years. And I can think of multiple games that were far bigger flops than F1 Manager. I haven't played much recently, but I definitely had plenty of fun with it and I'm confident this year's game will be a step forward.
@airlinepilot87
@airlinepilot87 Жыл бұрын
A little harsh I think. It’s only the first version. And the race day immersion is truly groundbreaking for a management style game. You give Football Manager a lot of love, but it’s been around for decades and still doesn’t come close to this level of match day detail.
@CringeLord0119
@CringeLord0119 Жыл бұрын
I got addicted to this game and I enjoy a lot of things about it. This first title from frontier feels like a feeler test, and I hope they listen to feedback from players. If they do that, f1 manager 23 could be a title that is better than any other sim or manager before it
@hamfan4449
@hamfan4449 Жыл бұрын
and im going to answer your 4 reasons.. 1. having humor does not make it for the casual gamer, if you watch F1 then you would know the drivers can be funny on the team radio from time to time, football manager has had longer to improve that game and vs a new game thats alittle unfiar and you know it. the depth of the game might have something to do with they rushed it to get it out. (like i thought he didnt think it threw as a F1 fan) 2. silders might seem bad but its a fast way to do a set up system as i said in point one they rushed it to get it out, you are comparing 2 totally different sports you dont have corner/kicking etc etc in football manager. that point is invalid from you try, its hard for you maybe. 3. you are comparing it to a TV show done from drama are you kidding me? Motorsports manager was not rushed so they had time to think items threw, but i will agree it does lack that drama. 4. all the titles you said have had countless years to improve the game, again its the 1st one and they did an OK job for a rushed game. no it is a solid building block for F1 23 and you know that they have had time to improve items make changes. no they cant as again they rushed 22 proving and you cant hit a home run when you rush a game. no i dont want to sub to you this is the kind of content i expect from you guys, not very well thought threw and lacking all the details as well you compare items that should not be.
@NoFramesPerSecond3924
@NoFramesPerSecond3924 Жыл бұрын
Exactly! They compare 30 years of development vs 2, maybe 3!!
@YouTube_ClauDju
@YouTube_ClauDju Жыл бұрын
Very very true.details. 👏 F1 Manager 2022 is a awesome game! Another producers have to learn from this game! Respect! 👍
@badhorrill
@badhorrill Жыл бұрын
it shows that a lot of the people developing the game didn't have a clue about the actual sport of F1, rules being incorrect, completely getting the f1 fan demographic wrong, making a game that is good for a 5 hour season and nothing more, then to give up so early in the game cycle doomed the game
@floscan
@floscan Жыл бұрын
I have more faith in Motorsports Manager 2 (the developers of MM have hinted at this possibility on the MM steam page) than F1 Manager 2023.
@harbinger6574
@harbinger6574 Жыл бұрын
I've seen his pinned topic on the Steam forum asking for feedback but if I'm honest I highly doubt it will happen. SEGA wasn't prepared to back Playsport for a sequel so that means they need to find another publisher prepared to gamble their money in going head to head with a very similar game which has the F1 license. Either that or they'd have to dip into their own pockets, possibly holding a Kickstarter to cover any shortfall. Whilst Playsport certainly have a solid framework in their original PC game along with newer features in their mobile games, there's only so much you can accomplish in porting that functionality with the small team they'll be able to afford. Frontier on the other hand can easily cover the salaries of 100+ devs year-round plus any additional outsourcing as required. So even if Playsport manage to get all their ducks in a row, a game potentially launching 2+ years down the line (alongside the fourth annual iteration of F1 Manager) would probably find it very tough to compete. Christian West is probably looking to see where the chips lie in the reception of F1 Manager 2023 before making any decisions. If it gets good reviews and they manage to tackle a lot of the criticisms of the first game I'd imagine the chances of a Motorsport Manager 2 on PC would be pretty much dead.
@Housestationlive
@Housestationlive Жыл бұрын
this game was released on consoles. management games meant to work with a playstation controler are very limited. no scroller, 3 info on screen. lack of database and features are resulting of this hardware limitation.
@evryfckinnameistaken
@evryfckinnameistaken Жыл бұрын
lol wtf is he talking about? just because you're a more casual sim racer doesn't mean you're gonna want cartoonish graphics and humor all over the place like it was a shitty mcu movie
@Zero41sv
@Zero41sv Жыл бұрын
It wasnt an F1 management game, thats the core issue. Its a race engineer sim that insists you still hire two race engineers. Grand Prix World is old now, but THAT is a team management game. Theres no meat here dor actual team management fans. But a hell of a lot of time spent waiting to change a setting or two. Sessions are long and repetetive, which you cant do much about - which is why true management games give you enough meaningful to do outside race/quaki/practice sessions that its a viable playstyle (and safe) to allow sessions to be skipped/simmed because the staff you hire do the job qnd you arent penalised for not wanting to be bored for an hour so you can min/max the setups you already PAY TWO ENGINEERS to do for you because youre far more concerned that youre sponsors are reluctant to recommit, you can only find customer engines and your lead driver is being poached.
@johnthompson457
@johnthompson457 Жыл бұрын
“On football manager they are rated on 39 numerical categories” stop you there mate, that’s just the visible categories. Go on the editor and you will find at least 100 categories, most of which aren’t visible but are needed for player abilities. For example, ‘consistency’ and ‘important matches’.
@BoxofficeForney6969
@BoxofficeForney6969 Жыл бұрын
F1 manager 22 was great, and 23 will be even better!
@Charlie_Gaze
@Charlie_Gaze Жыл бұрын
Frontier did well for their first attempt. Yes it had its flaws, but this was more of a good game than a bad one. Quite a solid base to build on for the next instalment. I'd give this 7.5 out of 10.
@Housestationlive
@Housestationlive Жыл бұрын
the 2023 is splanned and this is also why they never fixed the bugs, they wanted to work on the 2023 edition. releasing a non working game is miserable.
@Bananas-in-pyjamas
@Bananas-in-pyjamas Жыл бұрын
I feel the game is to long. I look at motorsport manager on pc that you could choose how long the race could be. You should also be able to let drivers control there own ers management to some extent
@Grant_Arnett
@Grant_Arnett Жыл бұрын
This is the first game of the series. If you can’t succeed in it then thats a skill issue. The game is great with some flaws but nothing that wont prevent you from playing it.
@samsonlovesyou
@samsonlovesyou Жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed the game. It had its flaws, but I think most people are accepting of those since it's the first iteration of the series. They made what could have been the dullest game ever pretty fun. Not classic, but fun.
@Dexter037S4
@Dexter037S4 Жыл бұрын
I think that while I agree, it should appeal to hardcore fans, it should have some humor injected into it, as well, Frontier is known for that.
@arg_9584
@arg_9584 Жыл бұрын
It only took me two seasons to win both championships with Aston Martin, and the third season was literally 2014 Mercedes. After you win that first championship it’s impossible to fall off unless you do it on purpose. I will say that alpine had a shot for a few race wins in season 3 and 4, but they were never developing fast enough so it was just me at Aston, redbull, and Merc. Ferrari actually fell off into the midfield which was cool. It’s a 7/10 game, hoping it gets better this year.
@lilkris3008
@lilkris3008 Жыл бұрын
Considering how 2023 is going you might have predicted the future there
@joshaltea
@joshaltea Жыл бұрын
I think the game is fine. Main things are that you can’t change teams or run your own. If you could I think replayability would be a non issue
@Matt231985uk
@Matt231985uk Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed playing through a season of F1 manager 22, but for the most part, it had some really disappointing features. I enjoyed the car development aspect of the game. Managing parts and hiring engineers and designers was a lot of fun. But I race to race gameplay became repetitive and stale very quickly. Particularly with car setup. I didn’t think a Team Boss would be required to be tweaking car setups to this level and that perhaps it should have been simplified or left to the drivers and engineers to find optimum settings. Another feature that was pretty poor was the fact that agreeing a new contract with a driver replaced your existing driver with immediate effect. This should have included options on when to commence the contract. A young driver academy could have been implemented too to manage up and coming stars. There are young drivers that you cannot sign. And then you have to replace your experienced 3rd driver with a kid if you want to develop them, rather than sign them up for future seasons and watch them progress in F3/F2. These are basic features that you have to wonder why they were not included. I hope F1 23 introduces these features, changes the way you sign drivers. Simplifies car setup to stop race weekends feeling so monotonous, and tweaks tyre strategy, safety cars, red flags etc to give us more to manage on the pit wall. Also budget caps and more facility management would be welcome!
@byron1745
@byron1745 Жыл бұрын
The should have learned from SI games and Motorsport Manager
@_getnoobednxgen1897
@_getnoobednxgen1897 Жыл бұрын
That is why I play motorsport manager. Maybe there are no real tracks, etc but with mods you can play f1 2012, 1993,2007 and many more + you get WEC, f2, f3 and many more. With that you can create quite realistic experience by choosing the right mods. I'm currently having a blast with 2012 Lotus.
@donnythedealer9761
@donnythedealer9761 Жыл бұрын
I think the biggest problem with the game was every career feels the same. You go in and lose for the first season and a half. Drivers always finish in their in-game ranking, so if you have the 8th quickest car it doesnt matter you do in the race, youre finishing 16th. And then you quit the game after 3 races because thats all you see. It turns out that developing the correct car parts in the correct way over and over is the way to win. So yeh if you stick around for 3 seasons you can win, but then to stay on top you just do the same things. The actual race strategy, ACTUAL race day does not matter. Its WAY too car and numbers focused. Obviously in f1 if you want to win you need the quickest car, but in real life things go wrong for top teams way more often than in this game. Pierre Gasly won monza 2020 in not the fastest car. He’d have NO chance of winning a race in this game with not the fastest car, regardless of what you do in the race.
@snippidippi
@snippidippi Жыл бұрын
Sadly all f1 manager games out there is way to hard and you end up last 90% of all time and you uninstall
@lucasart328
@lucasart328 Жыл бұрын
Nah
@alonsky47
@alonsky47 Жыл бұрын
Not bad video. It still seems to me that they were working on graphics instead of code. You can't create a thoughtful simulation with active code and good graphics at the same time, modern PCs will have low fps. So they made an arcade-strategies game, but not sim-strategies game - and this disappoints me very much
@BiRaitBec
@BiRaitBec Жыл бұрын
As a first entry i think they set good basis to start working with, i think the biggest problem with sales also comes from the moment of launch, basically when the real f1 competition died on the spot. One of the biggest issues with FM is presentation, and here we got it. Now it is time to improve the depth of the mechanics and considering they just announced F1 Manager 23 they cannot mistake one more time.
@mliam0709
@mliam0709 Жыл бұрын
Management games don't need fancy graphics. Focus on the substance. Top down 2D races would be fine. Licensed F1 games will always be muck as they're all about selling to a broad audience.
@goodlifer_exe
@goodlifer_exe Жыл бұрын
In my opinion, f1 manager failed because it was not realistic. Fans want to play an f1 game but it wasnt even close to it. For example one of the commentators was missing and was replaced by someone else. The radio antenna was missing. The steering wheels were the same for every team and they didnt even bother to make models for other drivers other than those that are already in f1. Some of the drivers were also missing like ma boy Daniil Kvyat.
@RSGgaming3
@RSGgaming3 Жыл бұрын
The reason I stopped playing F1 Manager was the races where to long
@MinhLe-kt5zg
@MinhLe-kt5zg Жыл бұрын
I think classifying this as a failure is a bit harsh on Frontier. Yes there was a couple of things on F1 Manager 22 that could’ve been a lot better, but we need to remember this is their first actual go of an F1 manager game and I must say they really hit it out of the park. So although it did have its flaws for a first attempt this was amazing and hopefully with the announcement of 23 they can build on this
@Kilson-76
@Kilson-76 Жыл бұрын
The biggest issue I found, there was no real decisions. Just keep upgrading things and you will win. May take a bit longer or shorter but you will win as long as you keep upgrading.
@niftynaoh07
@niftynaoh07 Жыл бұрын
i’ve kinda found a pattern of games being hyped up to much and end up not even being that good for example forza horizon 5 was a huge hype and ended up being more of a disappointment and not as fun
@user-iw1nw4du8x8
@user-iw1nw4du8x8 Жыл бұрын
People defending this game never even launched it, I swear
@PayToWin02
@PayToWin02 Жыл бұрын
I hope they add a regen system just like in fifa, when for example Hamilton stops there comes a new random uk driver with the potential of Hamilton his highest rating
@hanskurtmann6781
@hanskurtmann6781 Жыл бұрын
Just hearing these guys whine and moan about every single little detail of this game turned me off to it. Its a game guys NOT the actual thing no game will be the same as the real thing no matter what the subject flying, shooting or driving etc.
@Elias-et5mb
@Elias-et5mb Жыл бұрын
For me the races were too boring and long and when you manage your drivers it’s not that much of an impact I think because you can just setup 3 things with tyres fuel and ERS Edit: Overall I think that the problem is F1 itself cause in Football you have so many matches so many leagues players and just a way bigger sport you can setup different strategies and Player combinations for every game and in F1 you have just the same lineal thing every weekend you can’t outplay or surprise everyone with a strategy or young players
@Spikyteam0.0
@Spikyteam0.0 Жыл бұрын
This game is good enough 😠, you jist dont like it. Why do you make the game look worse 🤬
@sim_racing_pops1675
@sim_racing_pops1675 Жыл бұрын
Glad I got it on sale .. Played it once hit the delete button ! Garbage I thought
@jaedog53
@jaedog53 Жыл бұрын
Of course you think they failed, otherwise it would be conflict of interest with a certain money-hungry pyramid scheme of a gaming company
@benjamincampbell03
@benjamincampbell03 Жыл бұрын
Me and my dad started playing again and in our first season we finished p3 with alpha tauri in the constructors. At the start of the new season we have the second best car already. It’s way to easy, there should be different modes so it’s easier
@LoSpotItaliano
@LoSpotItaliano Жыл бұрын
can you create a custom team with custom drivers there?
@Leikjarinn
@Leikjarinn Жыл бұрын
Mods fixed it, i m playing a version of F1 manager that i hope 23 will be in every way
@dannyx2737
@dannyx2737 Жыл бұрын
F1 is just cashing in on everything they can. I don't find anything they do exciting and the racing has been boring and hyped up for years now. It's so predictable they made a drama series out of it. Awful sport now
@GeminiMind1990
@GeminiMind1990 Жыл бұрын
For the first installment I thought it was okay yeah I see what ur saying but I enjoyed it for what is was
@jameslappin9896
@jameslappin9896 Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the game
@remnunya9790
@remnunya9790 Жыл бұрын
Just hated you couldn't save mid race
@richardjones8743
@richardjones8743 Жыл бұрын
I didnt even know this got released
@nickharper3137
@nickharper3137 Жыл бұрын
Just play grand prix manager 2 guys , its soo good
@vitorlhermite
@vitorlhermite Жыл бұрын
That is precisely the problem. We do we have to rely on mods from such an old and outdated game to have a decent motorsport manager experience? How can an almost 30 year old game still be the best manager released? That is ridiculous. We will never have a fresh experience in this kind of game that takes advantage of the gaming developments from the last decade? Really? Why can't we have a physics based motorsport manager? Instead of scripted car behaviours? With a consistent AI that have a real progress? Is it that much to ask?
@nickharper3137
@nickharper3137 Жыл бұрын
@@vitorlhermite f1 manager 2000 is decent too, but yeah the closest one is motorsport manager with mods
@lucasart328
@lucasart328 Жыл бұрын
@@vitorlhermite yeah cos itll actually cost money doing this. Gaming genre has gone stale after 2012
@Backfisch5927
@Backfisch5927 Жыл бұрын
Is it worth putting your videos as ads?
@sasquatch8923
@sasquatch8923 Жыл бұрын
F1 is the Star Wars of video games. One of the most amazing IP's on the planet and it goes to waste. F1 2022 was a bad game, this is a bad game. You have all the rights to the most amazing cars/racing on the planet and we get shit games.
@3paced941
@3paced941 Жыл бұрын
And this video doesn't even cover many of it's flaws. You could've easily ripped this game to shreds. I did so on Steam and it was enough to mobilise the community manager to reply to load of posts, to bump my post a few pages away. A real clanger of a 'game'.
@TimmyK916
@TimmyK916 Жыл бұрын
I'm a bit distracted by whatever that microphone thing is.
@KlioshazZ
@KlioshazZ Жыл бұрын
Takes 1-2 seasons to take lowest team to top1!, Then it's just your team drivers championship boring
@Whopcap
@Whopcap Жыл бұрын
Lol they did exactly what he didn't want them to do 🤣
@antigamer1833
@antigamer1833 Жыл бұрын
The ideo basocally starts after 3 minutes. Change that!!!!!!!!
@Nathanhiggerz
@Nathanhiggerz Жыл бұрын
It can only get better
@Housestationlive
@Housestationlive Жыл бұрын
interface copied pasted from motorsport manager. zero creativity.
@John907i
@John907i Жыл бұрын
Annoying game …been upgrading the car non stop for three seasons and still running in 16th and 17th…
@kinito992
@kinito992 Жыл бұрын
Williams? :D
@scragho5426
@scragho5426 Жыл бұрын
to expensive for a manager game
@COMBUSTIBLE69
@COMBUSTIBLE69 Жыл бұрын
Good points but not great ones, like your main problem is just with scouting? No mate. The game is too easy, way too easy and thus each weekend blends together when you just see your Williams team lock out the front row and blitz the competition after just one season. Moreover, the lack of detail is disappointing. It tries to cover everything but does it so poorly and again the game is repetitive and simplistic.
@Skywalker1274
@Skywalker1274 Жыл бұрын
My favorite game right there
@MALOK003
@MALOK003 Жыл бұрын
No replay mode
@QuintinHaarhoff
@QuintinHaarhoff Жыл бұрын
Not to mention them alienating their fans on their community platforms for not following their woke agenda. Also it's really annoying that when you put in so much time into these races and seasons just for the board of directors to keep upping the bar after each season until it becomes impossible to maintain. This is a let down as I want to be able to keep playing a team be it that they do well or really suck. I want to stop playing when I decide to stop playing. Not some fictional board.
@chriscaporali6535
@chriscaporali6535 Жыл бұрын
dont waste your money...fm is much better and complete. i wasted my money on f12022..no thanks to f12023
@CheeseWeasel01
@CheeseWeasel01 Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure youre confused as to what game this is
@Coyote.five.0
@Coyote.five.0 Жыл бұрын
Aren't video games supposed to be "played" and not "watched" like movies
@dovukeyn
@dovukeyn Жыл бұрын
This video is full of bs. Yes the game has flaws no one denies that but fail?? Thats too much hate. This is the first game of a maybe-future-franchise. This game has the best graphics compared to the other manager games, decent amount of content, decent managering substantiality, acceptable overall ai for a first game made. Did you follow the forums or qnas or developer reports? I did, did you? Did you give them any feedback, any at all? Many people shared their opinions, ideas, complains and wishes with the developers and they seem to acknowledge them. They're about to release their next game, if they keep the game almost the same, then i'll accept the failure statement. until then, i think you're just overreacting just for the sake of flaming.
@CnyMTB
@CnyMTB Жыл бұрын
Management games are boring
@Zbgaming23
@Zbgaming23 Жыл бұрын
No they aren’t
@lucasart328
@lucasart328 Жыл бұрын
Then why olay it bro
@CnyMTB
@CnyMTB Жыл бұрын
@Lucasart328 well according to this video, myself and many others don't. Play dropped off significantly after 2 weeks. Like most mobile games, it's a passing fancy. Fun for a short time but not engaging for a long time. Motor sport manager is the same way.
@matthew-jy5jp
@matthew-jy5jp Жыл бұрын
What made it shrivel up like an old raisin is the fact that the sport is terrible
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