Why FedEx Installed Anti-Missile Systems on its Airplanes

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[@Infection3d]

Since it was to protect against missiles, then IT IS EXACTLY WHAT I THINK. 🧐

[@lettersandnumbersuc]

Hauling money….

[@RichardBaran]

Pretty sure it's just a tag like lol

[@Aquila.]

@@RichardBaran ...That's the joke man

[@Whatsgoinonhere]

Hahahaa

[@MuxaL]

@@Aquila. man, that was his joke, too

[@SinisterMD]

A laser hitting a fuel truck would have absolutely no effect. We're not talking about the COIL system. The lasers you're talking about above are designed to affect infrared sensors, not cause actual damage. Two completely different systems. Not to say that it can't cause vision/eye damage if it hits a person, but hitting a fuel truck is inconsequential.

[@keech100]

I agree it isn't a death Star like laser but, would it be able to interfere with a safety system that is used on a fuel truck maybe like an important sensor etc? Genuine questions

[@SinisterMD]

@@keech100 No, there aren't any systems on an airport fuel truck that would even register being painted by a laser. Other than hitting a driver in such a way it would interfere with their vision nobody would even notice. If it's truly an infrared laser it's not even something that you would register as visible light as it's outside the perceptible range for humans.

[@thatravendude]

@@SinisterMD you are correct that it would not hurt any equipment but it would blind a person in a fraction of a second. An unlikely situation so a non issue as far as I'm concerned but it would 100% blind you if it hit your eye

[@thatravendude]

@@SinisterMD we can't see inferred but it still interacts physically with our eyes

[@qdaniele97]

@@SinisterMD There absolutely no correlation between eyes being able to perceive light in a certain wavelength and being damaged by light in that same wavelength. An infrared laser with the right power is perfectly capable of blinding you permanently and is actually much more dangerous than a laser of the same power but in a visible wavelength because you can't see where the beam or dot is until the damage is done. A laser like the ones in those anti-missile system would never be able to set a fuel truck on fire but it would be more than enough to blind the driver.

[@PTNLemay]

I don't if it's directly comparable, but I was a laser technician for IR telecommunications lasers. And maintaining those was enough of a headache that I can imagine the airlines would never want to have to add that to a preflight checklist.

[@speed65752]

I'm an aircraft mechanic and I can imagine what kind of trouble it would mean having such a complicated system, subjected to periodical checks and repairs by the average engineer.....

[@Surestick88]

It's not like this system would be on the MEL for the aircraft. If it doesn't work it can be fixed when convenient.

[@bradwolf9410]

@@Surestick88 you sure about that? imagine if it got shot down while the ams wasn't functional... ...and we all know what "fixed when convenient" usually means.

[@raikoafm702]

@@bradwolf9410 If an aircraft had an inoperable laser they would just plane swap to go into the hot zone..

[@NickCBax]

@@bradwolf9410 As Raiko mentioned, it'd probably go on the MEL list for flying to TLV and other sensitive airports, and they'd swap planes as necessary, but it wouldn't be on the MEL list for most airports..

[@skopperkopp6091]

The story of the DHL plane is a really amazing story of how skilled the pilots were. Even with the odds stacked against them they managed to land it. Highly recommend watching the documentary about it

[@vodkavodka8903]

Is there a one you would recommend on youtube?

[@incompetencelogistics8924]

​full mayday episode is on either the wonder or mayday channel

[@aidanhammer6968]

What documentary? I am interested.

[@XMight13]

I'm currently studying to become an aircraft maintenance engineer. One of my teachers was the first engineer to inspect the OO-DLL, which was shot by a missle. The plane had taken some severe damage, but they managed to land it, even without hydraulic power for flight control surfaces. The engines was sold and send to England. The rest of the plane was scrapped.

[@soulman4292]

The DHL plane didn’t just have “some” of the hydraulic systems damaged. ALL of the hydraulic systems were damaged. Yet the pilots managed to land the plane safely, and they all lived. They landed the plane using thrust vectoring between engine one and two. This was of course made harder by the nose heavy nature of the plane due to the weight of their gigantic balls of solid steal. Kudos gentlemen!

[@benjaminpadilla1464]

Jesus dude

[@tubaeseries5705]

do passenger planes have thrust vectoring? honestly i doubt.

[@SergejVolkov17]

@@tubaeseries5705 of course they do. The thrust lever has different sticks for different engines, which can be adjusted independently.

[@A.C.Walker]

@@tubaeseries5705 I think he wrongfully meant that they used each engine independent thrust input to turn the aircraft.

[@rmeav8er000]

I was there. I had just finished taxiing and parking when the hit happened. The crew did a phenomenal job keeping everything aligned on final and the aircraft came to rest just off of the active runway. My crew got to the aircraft just as the USAF security folks came over to secure the site.

[@niagarawarrior9623]

15 years ago a friend of mine was recruited right out of a Canadian University by Northrop Grumman (in the US), he specialized in photonics, he was given high security clearance, and began working on the laser defense system of course he couldnt tell me anything of significance, but he did suggest it was an amazing system.

[@feedbackzaloop]

To be recruited directly after graduation, let alone from Canada (or did you mean a quasi-university worldwide programme?), is a big move. After that he would say anything in favor of the employer

[@Steamaroon]

The laser effects the infrared heat sensor of the seeker missile and causes it to think it’s already hitting its target and it explodes

[@jimlthor]

@@feedbackzaloop haha, I think just about everyone does that after being hired by any company. Last time I took a job, when people asked how I liked it, I told them to ask me in 6 months.

[@hemendraravi4787]

@@Steamaroon every body gangsta till more than 1 missiles are in the air , or if it’s a radar guided missile

[@philipppasternak4451]

@@jimlthor nope I talk shit about my employer on a daily basis. But I think beeing a nurse and in times of patients beeing a ressource and not humans it's just something different.

[@michaelmoorrees3585]

And here I thought UPS was equipping their planes with sidewinders, and that's what FedEx was trying to counter. 😁

[@sirankleknocker3122]

now I’m imagining a FedEx aircraft ending up in a dogfight with a UPS aircraft.

[@BeforeBuildQC]

@@sirankleknocker3122 imagine Amazon prime joining the chat. USPS literally can sit this one out.

[@amahlaka]

@@BeforeBuildQC amazon blimp just deploying a swarm of drones to destroy UPS and FedEx planes that are fighting each other

[@noticedruid4985]

@@BeforeBuildQC why? They can just call the Airforce to have their back since they are part of the government lol.

[@CEOkiller]

FedEx upped the ante with surplus AIM-54 Phoenix missiles….

[@casey6104]

Well keep in mind that they had a French air to air missile found at an American airport a few years back. These planes were probably involved in the logistics of things that were sensitive in some regard and had an advanced threat profile.

[@jaspertaylor4441]

That DHL flight didnt just have "some hydraulic systems damaged" the aircrafts 3 independent hydraulic systems were all compromised, the fact those pilots landed the plane was an incredible feat.

[@thelionking3321]

The fact that was caught on camera while giving out interview and demonstrating the hit is something else!! The journalist was shocked to the core on what they have witnessed✌🏻

[@Jdubygamer]

I believe they had to do this.

[@christopherrobinson7541]

They landed in a minefield.

[@AFoxGuy]

It was the most damaged Airplane to have ever landed (While being safe and the plane Intact).

[@TheMonkey747]

@@AFoxGuy Civilian plane, anyway.

[@rmeav8er000]

I was on the taxiway when the SAM hit the DHL aircraft and watched it limp in on its approach and veer off of the BIAP runway. Surreal to see that pop in my youtube feed nearly two decades later.

[@karlfriedrich7758]

Anything that makes air travel safer is a good thing. If these systems can work effectively, it'd be worth it with the number of SAM systems that will no doubt get into the wrong hands in the next few years.

[@Baggender]

@Mike Hoyer not the same.

[@Handl3sAreStupid]

​@Mike Hoyer If you cut people's arms off, then they can't shoplift 😂

[@karlfriedrich7758]

@UC-zC6RD4Sd-R9xxzsscGZig besides the idiotic attempt at a 'gotcha' I'll answer it anyway. My qualifying comment was if they work effectively. Having every passenger's ass probed would obviously reduce the number of people interested in flying to probably nil unless you like the tickle of it, and is clearly entirely impractical and ineffective. Having a defensive system that only works 10% of the time and adds too much weight and fuel consumption is also a waste of time. If these systems are proven dependable enough and practical enough there are literally 10s of serious commercial accidents that could have been prevented and could be prevented in the future with how many MANPADS and other AA systems are going to seep into the wrong hands over the next few years. People mocked airframe parachutes in light aircraft yet one brand alone has saved over 500 lives.

[@viktoriyaserebryakov2755]

A lot of these donated systems are leaking out of Ukraine into other parts of Europe. Such defences may become a necessity in the future.

[@mdasikkhan1610]

@@Handl3sAreStupid they can still use rest of the body...

[@BloodSteyn]

Honestly, that cable testing range tidbit was awesome. Thanks, TIL.

[@adenhickman5780]

If I had a nickel for every time Fed-X tried to put Anti-missile defenses on their planes, I would have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened twice.

[@fischerhansen5647]

Right. Why didn’t they solve the export issue before trying again. That’s so weird / stupid.

[@steinarjonsson_]

The fact that the DHL plane was able to land with a sizable part of the wing missing is just amazing!

[@darthkarl99]

Civil Airliners are shockingly resilient in practise to sheer brute force. They have to be to be able to fly at all. It just isn't obvious in most accidents because of just how much force is happening when something does go sufficiently wrong.

[@AFoxGuy]

@@darthkarl99 Yes they are but.. the DHL is the only Airliner to have ever landed safely without all it's Hydraulics.

[@claymoreroomba2921]

@@AFoxGuy not the only one

[@YayComity]

The reasons for failure (lack of adoption) could have and should have been easily foreseeable before implementation, particularly the export restrictions. Thus the whole development cost was perhaps wasted.

[@zeroyuki92]

In the end it is just a side project to make defense contractors happy

[@fidjeenjanrjsnsfh]

Much cheaper to stop US from selling stingers to the black market

[@michaeljgraff]

yeah the companies involved and the bureaucrats approving it knew it would never work. just suckling at the teet.

[@ThomasJohnson-tm7ed]

@@piisfun military cargo planes already have chaff and flares but not much else

[@gazzarafalemozzy4766]

Funny i wouldve thought the govt should shoulder some cost to ensure safety of citizens especially in damgerous envirenments

[@djtetrapak]

I'm a little disappointed because I thought competing couriers were starting to install AA missiles on their planes...

[@electron6825]

It's not what you think

[@itsjustyas7724]

"And tower, FedEx 1821 fox 2..... and tower FedEx 1821 splash one good kill good kill su 57"

[@zussman4902]

Now Russia will build SUPERMANUVERABLE cargo/passenger plane

[@djtetrapak]

@@electron6825 it's never what I think 😫

[@01Gshadow]

Me too, bro. Why FedEx wants to add anti-missile on their planes? "Because UPS fxckers have AA site all around the world." quoted one manager in FedEx.

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I’ve been using it too since the first sponsorship (I hadn’t heard of them prior to that).

[@kylefoster2891]

I didn’t know UPS was such a threat to FedEx

[@captain_commenter8796]

Iraq: “If it flies it dies” “But sir that’s a unarmed cargo pla-“ *“DID I STUTTER?”*

[@fadli_1577]

*Iran

[@justins8802]

“But sir that’s a pigeon”

[@klausstock8020]

Jedi system: "This is not the plane you are looking for."

[@somedudethatripsplanetinha4221]

USS Vincennes be like

[@magic3646]

@@fadli_1577 all the same, full of muslims.

[@SAMann729]

As a former FedEx employee who worked the ramp and knew about these, it is exactly what I thought.

[@ToothlesstheNightFury510]

Which airport were you at?

[@SAMann729]

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[@ToothlesstheNightFury510]

@@SAMann729 ah nice, I’m very close to Oakland airport and on the way to my fedex ground facility 🤣 I see the express planes and I’m amazed each time just for the fact that we humans created a world like the one we live in where packages are shipped in planes around the world.

[@AnotherUselessID]

I was a DG agent at ONTR way back in the day and can confirm seeing these installed on a few planes that came in.

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well I was disappointed that he messed up his intro lol

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Its not what you think

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[@Zreknarf]

piqued

[@user-xz9hu4rd2v]

As a FedEx pilot I flew a few times the MD-10s that had the MANPAD systems, but they were deactivated.

[@henryschmidt485]

Do you mean like the planes had a system to defend against manpads

[@mrredpill3121]

So you never had to experience the warning indicator, next to you're master caution?

[@obsidianjane4413]

@@henryschmidt485 Did you not see/listen to the video?

[@obsidianjane4413]

IIRC they were only ever active when servicing the DoD contracts.

[@henryschmidt485]

@@obsidianjane4413 well I was just confused by the comment because manpads stands for man portable air defense systems like the stinger missile which are used to shoot down aircraft

[@ZekuChanU]

Imagine WW3 be like Enemy general: “Who are we being attacked by?!” Enemy scout: “FedEx sir!”

[@platiuscyndar9017]

I would enjoy that.

[@Zreknarf]

my god.. lock Amazon™ Fire Sticks and return fire

[@aviationgaming1564]

The Airbus A300 that was hit had lost all hydraulics I believe which made the aircraft very difficult to fly as they couldn’t use any of the conventional controls (ailerons, rudder, elevators) and had to rely only on the engine thrust.

[@funnyyylock]

Don't forget the plane being overloaded with the pilots massive balls.

[@xcr8ivex708]

@Apsoy Pike That has happened before, and people have landed planes like that

[@xcr8ivex708]

@Apsoy Pike Nope. There have been instances where the plane was mid-flight and miles away from an airport

[@cattraknoff]

@@xcr8ivex708 Funny how your life being on the line could put you "in the zone" for piloting.

[@aviationgaming1564]

@Apsoy Pike it was damn near impossible for them. As far as I know they’re the only ones to pull it off.

[@TWOCOWS1]

thanks for making and posting. must ve taken a lot of time and effort

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This is why I love this channel. I had no idea this existed but I love finding out.

[@BigBrex0124]

a big issue as well is countries stopping the planes and stealing the system

[@Shinzon23]

Self destruct system that without authorized users removing it causes the internal systems to slag themselves. Similar systems have been used for classified radios and computers for decades.

[@brandosotelo5780]

That I can imagine

[@trevorh6438]

Then just add a missile launch system and cannons to the vessel with letters of marque and reprisal so it can defend that system from theft, or reprise it back afterwards.

[@kirayoshikage4057]

Yeah bro, noone but USA has this ingenious next generation laser technology that totally is top secret and unknown to anyone, and the rest of the world is dying to acquire this.

[@luislongoria6621]

Russia is trying to get Viktor Bout released from prison

[@filipposaccobalderico9692]

From FedEx to DefEx

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Underrated comment 😂

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Is your channel equipped with advance missile system against any potential demonetization?

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KZbin is demonitizing everyone lol.

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Nc one

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They are committed to knocking out the competition.

[@musicmode6657]

most realistic thumbnail

[@galadato7425]

8:20 the rockets fired from gaza are not guided thus the protection system is not effective, EL AL kept flying because they serve as the gate to israel.

[@speedbirdconcorde001]

Which is why they have the Iron Dome to intercept it; unguided Qassam rockets can be avoided by taking evasive action. Remember the time when an El Al 707 did a nosedive to neutralise 2 hijackers - the only time an inflight hijacking was foiled

[@militarynerdsnek7639]

Chad el al pilots B)

[@tylernorby4939]

That's some serious cope thinking that the rocket is the issue rather than the capability of the intercepting missile

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[@NotWhatYouThink]

Great to hear!

[@DAFLIDMAN]

Given the issues with licensing wouldn't it be easier to equip the aircraft with chaff/flairs? as that's old simple technology that doesn't require licensing to my understanding.

[@Victor-ze3sd]

You would still need detection devices, I don't really get why a heat detector/camera connected to a laser pointer needs so much licensing. The software is likely the most important part and that doesn't need service nor examination and could be encrypted to prevent other countries from accessing it.

[@jonathanislikecool]

Maybe not export control licensing, but you'd definitely run into regulatory problems associated with handling of pyrotechnical devices in close proximity to operations prone to flammability such as refueling and maintenance on oxygen systems. Probably insurance issues as well, if an unintentionally released flare starts a fire.

[@elisnider8191]

Problem is, the stinger is designed to ignore flares and since the airliner wont be pulling any maneuvers, a hard kill system seems like the best choice

[@jimsvideos7201]

Just try pitching airlines on _anything_ that involves explosives, particularly devices that have to be loaded, unloaded, stored and shipped. It's hard enough to do all that for military aircraft.

[@termitreter6545]

@@Victor-ze3sd Because its a detector specifically designed to track missiles and a laser specifically designed to blind IR sensors. There might be alot of companies that can make tech like that in theory, but actually knowing how to use it and disable missiles is way more complicated. That includes the capabilities, not just the software. It also got restrictions for a reaosn, for once; if someone gets their hand on the tech, that makes it likely easier to develope missile to counter the system.

[@redstoneablecz5742]

When you finally need to use one of them: Windows XP needs to download these updates....

[@ouki4925]

FedEx's war against UPS has escalated to a new level

[@taktuscat4250]

It's all fun and games until the missile becomes radar guided🥲

[@thefolder69]

that would be more expensive and more exclusive, making it much less likely that terrorists could get their hands on them and want to use them on civilian aircraft

[@hphp31416]

In recent years most airliners were shot down by radar guided russian made sam systems

[@militarynerdsnek7639]

@@thefolder69 still happend tho

[@affan3095]

@@thefolder69 don't worry cia will give tyem to test new weapons.. Like they always do either in Ukraine or Iraq

[@kirayoshikage4057]

@@affan3095 or simply in USA. A lot of mass shooters lately that were all known to CIA but somehow ended up killing people anyway. I wonder why a person known to violence is allowed to do something before anything is done about it. It's almost like all these "terrorism" acts are carried out by noone else but US government itself.

[@mattkaczorowski3099]

Another implementation could be a network of drones or ground stations guarding the hotspots. The drones could have the system installed, defending an airspace. It could solve the problems of having airlines installing the systems and the export issues. Of course this would only work in certain countries.

[@pinkman4928]

Why would you use drones to defend airspace? It would be cheaper and more effective to use laser ground stations but by then you would assume that that territory is already safe, most missile attacks are on places where the area security is low so you wouldn't expect to have drones nearby. (Not to mention how would you fit a guiding system on a hover drone)

[@kirayoshikage4057]

@@pinkman4928 "but by then you would assume that territory is already safe". Yeah bro, just stop producing nukes already, your enemy is just going to assume that you still have them lmao.

[@BreadIsKindaGood]

“They were guided by an unseen force… belkan technology”

[@jude_the_apostle]

Rather than guard it just list it as a no-fly zone? SAM systems that can reach over 15,000 ft are a pretty trackable import. For one to be offensive against civilian aircraft would mean a serious conflict is already taking place there and airlines would know about the risk.

[@toptiergaming6900]

The DHL actually lost all its hydraulics and landed only on variable engine thrust

[@johnnyboi1125]

0:24 the fact that he didn’t finish told me that this was serious…

[@klaytonb9609]

Honestly I didn't think it would be so advanced. I just imagined a 737 spitting out flares like an AC-130

[@Kid574]

Flares alone without proper timing and maneuvering are pretty much useless with such massive planes

[@thebush6077]

This is hands down the coolest thing I've never heard. Hope all aircraft get this, regardless of if they're for shipping or passengers.

[@LaidBackDeveloper]

El Al currently is the only airline that has this kind of tech installed on their planes

[@ec8107]

FedEx needs to figure out how to send a package from NY to Michigan without first sending it to California 🙄

[@johnbaxster8010]

lt goes to memphis first and then to its destination

[@bluestillplayz8640]

No first it has to go to California to see how bad we want it then if we make a complaint then they have to make some bs reason we don't have our package

[@Sulto_]

@@bluestillplayz8640 its a transit route, ship with someone else if you don't like it.

[@bluestillplayz8640]

@@Sulto_ what ever FedEx atleast ships on time or earlier than expected

[@CAAStudios]

"Why a transport company needs military tech..." First off, a well armed society is a polite one.

[@StCreed]

So the manpads make people more polite? What do you base that on?

[@CAAStudios]

@@StCreed I base that on the fact that president biden has threatened to use "fighter jets" on people like me because we share a different opinion. Also why the hell not? They look cool as hell and can be responsibly used, against a tyrannical government perhaps.

[@Reznor1974]

@@StCreed Wouldn't you complement someone's shiny new MANPAD?

[@bbbbbbb8567]

A country with a new school shooting every week is near the bottom of the list of polite societies

[@wyvernharries4788]

@@Reznor1974 My my, what a fine Stinger missile system you have there.

[@Wicc_234]

Nice educational videos would’ve never knew this if it wasn’t for you

[@burningsinner1132]

Fun fact: plane is most vulnerable at the end of the takeoff strip. If the missile hits the plane as it leaves the ground, there is literally nothing crew can do. They can't pull up out of this (max weight, loss of upward force, plane still has gear down (which means that slightest touchdown on the slightest tilt will send this plane rolling on the ground like a can of pringles) and runs high speed to boot. This way, the most dangerous thing is not MANPADS but engine killed by ATGM missile or carefully calculated RPG shot. Both are much cheaper too. Same thing with helicopters and ospreys. You give any sort of punch to the osprey on it's takeoff/landing and it's last dance is guaranteed to kill all the crew and the passengers.

[@pythonboi5816]

Bruh YT recommendations are soo good I just watched a video on the DHL being hit Now I’m here

[@ltpenniss6691]

Your best work yet. The ITAR requirements would be monumental at best. The security clearances required for maintenance and the possible external "AGENCIES" that could obtain this system information. Then if installed every aircraft would be considered a military jet and all of it's occupants are suddenly combatants. The list goes on and on.

[@phantomaviator1318]

If and when I get a personal aircraft I wanna get one of these on it. Flares, chaff, and a RWR

[@vejet]

2:19 aww... you had me excited there for a moment 😌

[@faveadams85]

The DHL pilot is a rockstar for landing that plane...

[@DN-kp4jn]

Anyone else notice the girl at 7:27 trying to take the perfect selfie lol

[@Logarithm906]

I doubt that type of laser could hurt anyone or blow up a fuel truck as all they're design to do is blind the sensor. I mean a decent flashlight can temporarily blind a person if you focus it well enough but if you shine it on fuel truck it's not going to make it explode...

[@trevorh6438]

Lasers are concentrated enough that they can damage eyesight at any power level, higher power levels just damage it worse and even their scatter can damage eyesight without protection.

[@stanielb2005]

Without any specific knowledge, I suspect those lasers are deep IR lasers in the 5 to 50W range. Basically, if it hits your face, you'll have no idea why your retinas just melted.

[@kirayoshikage4057]

Then you clearly have no idea what kind of laser you need to confuse a missile IR sensor because a flashlight isn't going to do it. Lasers used in performance shows can set human flesh on fire if you give it enough time, and guess what, military lasers are more powerful than that.

[@ivanstepanovic1327]

Well, it could be effective against some older MANPADS, but the first question is how would this perform against newer ones? After all, there is constant race between a tool and countertool... Second, what about missiles with other guidance type, such as older Blowpipe? They don't use IR homing.

[@WhatHappenedIn-vt3vq]

You got a point, buy I imagine being abke to counter old systems on low-meduim value targets would serve its purposes fine especially if it can make use of dev wastes we need to do but won't profit long term off of The more expensive every hit costs, and the cheaper and more efficiently the defense can be done, the less likely somebody will want to do hits. If you can get the cost of a hit to quarter a hostile countries total yearly revenue there more likely to play the politics game instead of the war game

[@Mike-ukr]

The Blowpipe is famous for being unable to hit anything

[@wurfyy]

They're delivering your anime figurines to you, not bombs to Moscow. They don't need to worry about everything.

[@chas1878]

Noo need for defense against other types of targeting systems when the majority are relying on IR. Would be a unreasonably high effort for minimal retutn

[@SonnyBubba]

No defense is perfect.

[@sam8404]

4:57 that looks like the best job in history. "What do you do?" "I fire Stingers at model airplanes."

[@Genuinespaceman]

Every time I hear “Not What You Think” it makes me glad I watch this video

[@Mika-ph6ku]

I was already thinking this should have been a thing for a while. Even without the recent accident it just makes sense for civilian aircraft to have countermeasures in place for an attack from a military aircraft or ground installation. What good is it to leave them completely defenseless against an attack when many of them will end up flying in the airspace of unstable countries anyway?

[@trevorh6438]

Need letters of marque to outfit private vessels with military arms.

[@platiuscyndar9017]

@Bu8813z I feel like at least part of the reason they do this is because they've determined that the cost of developing and installing these systems to their planes is outweighed by a combination of the good PR and the fact that their actual insurance premiums on their planes will take a deep dive with this system installed.

[@kirayoshikage4057]

@Bu8813z even if they spent 0.0000001% of their flight out of reach of a MANPAD, all it takes is for a missile to connect with the target. In other words, a crash is basically guaranteed unless the missile doesn't connect properly, like in DHL accident. Your odds of dying in a car crash are 1 in 107. Now, before you start coping about it being high, remember that this is over a lifetime. So you drive your car everyday, for 60 years, and your odds of dying in a car crash over that span is less than 1%... Now explain to me, mr genius, why you use a seatbealt despite your odds of dying in a car crash being non-existent, and then we can talk about the "only 20% of the flight time is the plane vulnerable".

[@kirayoshikage4057]

@Bu8813z because I'm not discussing this with a jew who upvotes his own comments.

[@Deadeye313]

These missiles are predominantly infrared seeking missiles, why not just a simple detection system and flare launcher on? Far cheaper and if you go back a couple generations, probably wouldn't matter exporting it as the chicoms and Russians would already have better tech themselves so any theft and reverse engineering would be pointless to worry about. The laser is one of those things that sounds cool, but if it can't be done, go old school low tech and cheap.

[@kallas1558]

This is the part where I offer a token 'flares arent entirely reliable.'

[@josh3771]

And dangerous if things go very wrong

[@DeNihility]

And the one time they do install flares, the missile fired was an ARM. Well poop, ain't it?

[@The2wheelmadness]

Flares are classed as ammo/pyrotechnics and have to be handled as such by trained personel. It would be a nightmare trying to operate such an aircraft on commercial airports.

[@Deadeye313]

@@The2wheelmadness probably a good time, then, for some kind of commercial, consumer grade version be developed to fill this gap. All these multi-billion dollar defense contractors and they can't think of a way to make a low cost, reliable system that will only need a technician to do basic maintenance and checking once every 6 months or a year?

[@jasonmyneni8605]

There is a damn good reason Israeli airlines planes have flare dispensers. There are a lot of people in that region that dont like them, so there is a fairly high risk of missiles

[@militarynerdsnek7639]

Chad Israeli commercial pilots using chaff and flares

[@kirayoshikage4057]

Of course jews would have flares on their own planes, while in USA (Israeli colony) a plane cannot have even that because "sorry sir, money printer broke".

[@militarynerdsnek7639]

@@kirayoshikage4057 wtf are you on about? "Israeli colony"???

[@kirayoshikage4057]

@@militarynerdsnek7639 you'll figure it out when you pull your head out of your ass and look around your surroundings for long enough.

[@samuelslachmuylders2906]

Meanwhile in a parallel universe: “Jedi not Jet eye”

[@ChristianJackson47]

😯 the fact he didn't finish his statement of "It's not what you think" is a pretty big deal

[@TheDude50447]

Manpads are mostly infrared guided. So its not just a simple radar warning device but a good chunk of additional tech to detect the launch. Flare and chaff might come in handy as well while generally the best defence against manpads is altitude and speed.

[@hiteshadhikari]

Chaff is to blind radar, not an ir missile Also flares by a huge slow aircraft which is landing wont make much difference

[@TheDude50447]

@@hiteshadhikari chaff against rdr guided aa missiles while youre at it. If youre putting on dispensers anyway a bit of chaff wont hurt. Flaring an IR missile especially older generation ones is always a good idea. And if it just works 1 out of 10 times its still worth it.

[@hiteshadhikari]

@@TheDude50447 u know costs? 2nd do u think chaff is anyway going to save a huge metal foil in air which has an rcs of a building?

[@TheDude50447]

@@hiteshadhikari chaff doesnt save a fighter if not used correctly. It depends on the type of radar. If its a doppler radar tracking then the radar can only see movement but no target that isnt moving towards or away from it. Its more complicated than that but generally once you get a missile launch warning you can see on your radar warner from where you are being tracked. Then you turn 90 degrees offset from that tracking device and start dropping chaff while lasering the missile in this case. And then you hope you can either destroy it or it goes stupid. But generally a radar guided missile inside a zone where you cant outrun it is extremely hard to avoid. Youre probably right and it wont matter but chaff dispensers are much much cheaper than a laser and they might be able to save a plane one day. Like were probably talkign a few thousand dollars per plane. Basically nothing for a company like fed ex.

[@hiteshadhikari]

@@TheDude50447 u realise that doppler radars are not used as FCR right? For a firing solution u need a much more clear lock not a ping return.... Most sam have radars which can detect fighter sized targets at good range, for an aircraft which is huge range is 2 to 3 times the detection range of even a larger sized fighter radar. These aircraft are simply not agile enough to escape even half decent Radar guided missiles let alone state of the art. No amount of chaff can save them as even if chaff protects, the aircrafts are slow and will not be able to escape or even dive down to protect from radar tracking or to drag the missile down

[@fighter5583]

1:25 That's part of the wreckage of TWA FLT 800 when it broke apart just minutes after leaving JFK. However, this wasn't caused by terrorists; rather, it was a combination of fuel vapors and faulty wiring running through the center tank. This piece of the fuselage is probably still at the NTSB training center.

[@parker02311]

Yeah, thought I recognized that from another crash.

[@kalerobertson1287]

Can't speculate as to why, but their is every indication of deception in their investigative process. Those findings are a cover up. When you consider the unidentified radar tracks leading up to the crash, the crucial evidence that went missing during the investigation, the improbability of their explanation, the scores of witnesses to the missile, the investigators own doubts about the findings, the discouraging treatment of the witnesses by the investigators, there can be no question. And I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any means.

[@fighter5583]

@@kalerobertson1287 What evidence of "deception" are you talking about?And what unidentified radar tracks? You mean the pieces of the aircraft just after it blew apart? This situation wasn't like the problem wen Iran shot down a Ukrainian 737 or when the U.S. Navy misidentified an A300 as an F-14 and shot that down.

[@francisbalfour1243]

What other purpose would it be for? To blind anyone who uses a laser pointer at planes for revenge?

[@kirayoshikage4057]

Well, you see, we all know that airliner pilots cannot be trusted with anything and they're basically all evil, that's why we allow them to have complete control over 200+ lives at once and sometimes, very important cargo that if lost, could lead to their execution; giving them a giant laser pointer wouldn't end well... Anyway I'm going back to bombing another 3rd world country, but don't worry about it, I do it for good.

[@granatmof]

Export license is also required for domestic based operations involving foreign citizens. I've used export controlled software and we were discouraged from using cloud based services for data backup to be in export compliance. There was also issue with the IT personelle managing the server the software operated on had to US citizens.

[@TheMonkey747]

I thought flares worked, too? But then there's the inherent fire hazard... I'd like to see the C-130's flare system installed as a minimum. It looks so cool when it fires. Angel wings...

[@DaBlueB]

El Al is the only commercial airline to equip its planes with missile defense systems to protect its planes against surface-to-air missiles.

[@leonardmilcin7798]

Sometimes the FedEx plane flying higher empties their lavatory and the FedEx flying lower needs an anti-missile system to defend itself from the quickly dropping icicle.

[@naravishthongnok5899]

0:36 the plane didn't just lost some of the hydraulic, they lost all 3 hydraulic systems, the only thing they could control was throttle. One of a few instances of a plane landing without any hydraulic.

[@heinedenmark]

I was surprised, way back in 2003 in Kabul, when FedEx delivered some spare parts we needed.

[@jeremybeaverson7167]

Disabling some of the hydraulics try all its was one of the most impressive landing in aviation history

[@magivkmeister6166]

FedEx gonna give it to ya

[@NotWhatYouThink]

🏆

[@Kev1nTheKev1n]

anti-missile systems? i mean as long as it works

[@joemck74]

That news site is probably the first product/service I've *ever* seen advertised during a video that I would actually be interested in buying (if I had a penny to my name). It would be great if all future devices had a built-in app that showed you who was reporting the news you seen and how other politically different outlets were reporting it - or not. I suppose an AI could read a cross-section of outlets and give you a 'neutral' version - but then, who programmes the AI and give it updates and support; and what's *their* agenda?

[@jaquigreenlees]

Back during Desert Storm before digital satellite systems I watched raw news feeds from the allied bases from multiple countries. When Time-Warner released their videos about it 20 years later they talked about never before seen footage being included in it. I had watched the never before seen footage in the raw feeds during the operation. Now with the modern satellite services, you can't find and watch these feeds any more.

[@deusvult6920]

Lmao all of the "devices" run operating systems designed by people that don't have your well being in mind and that want to depopulaye the world to 500m Probably stop trusting them

[@joemck74]

@@jaquigreenlees All the later footage would be edited to cut ant shots of khomes/schools/hospitals being nuked.

[@luislongoria6621]

@@jaquigreenlees What about Starlink?

[@jaquigreenlees]

@@luislongoria6621 starlink sat internet, not sat tv able to tune into older NON DIGITAL signals.

[@drewjonespdx]

So many thoughts and questions after watching this

[@5000rgb]

You know, If I'm thinking flying somewhere is unsafe, the plane having an anti missile system won't really soothe my nerves.

[@edwardbarber7976]

Fedex just wants to grind its cargo in peace

[@melby283]

Now they are going to need turret modifications and a cannon on its side oh wait I accidentally turned a plane into a AC-130

[@adammoorby99]

Enemy Fed-ex130 incoming

[@ksmurphable]

Couldn’t it be easier to get ground based systems at airports that are at higher risk? I mean they can’t hit a plane at altitude. You don’t really need middle defense en route

[@patentthat]

Wouldn't work with this kind of system. It works because the missile and the seeker are pointed at the plane, which means you can point the laser right back and have a direct effect on the seeker. The seeker wouldn't be facing ground based systems, so they wouldn't be able to actually do much. And there's also issues with detection. MANPADs need line of sight to launch - which means the target should always be able to detect the infrared signature of the launch. Ground based systems would have line-of-sight issues that would make early detection and quick engagement more difficult.

[@Zyron_Guy01]

Welp, finally...i guess, a NWYT video where some things are EXACTLY what we think

[@EntryLevelLuxury]

That gondola thing would be a pretty cool job, ngl

[@petergould1621]

That's when you know the world's truly fcked When the mail services need anti missile systems

[@stanielb2005]

Mail has always been heavily defended. It makes sense considering warzones still need deliveries.

[@pickleegy6142]

Oh it is what i think mr not what u think

[@grizwoldphantasia5005]

MANPADs are only dangerous at takeoff and landing when the airplanes are relatively close to the ground. There is no danger once cruising, or over oceans, and very little within the US. I wonder if there has been any consideration to making these retractable. That would increase the weight more, and reduce cargo space inside, but the decreased drag and fuel cost might be worth it. Or redesign the installation. Only the sensor and laser turret need be exposed; put the rest inside. Again, you'd lose cargo capacity, but it might actually be lighter without the entire package needing to be exposed to the outside airflow. It would also be a more permanent installation; the current package looks like it could be removed within a n hour or two, leaving the original skin intact with a few screwholes to fill in. Or put the sensors and laser turret inside the landing gear wells. Retract the gear but leave the doors open until high enough to be clear of MANPADs. It would be more of a redesign if the wheel wells needed enlarging, and the software would have to change how it retracts the gear.

[@travisschneider3011]

I have a better idea, put the laser system on the ground near airports. 1 laser system would then be able to protect a large number of planes, saving a ton of money. No additional fuel usage from the planes. Simplifies export control as it only has to happen one time instead of constantly like if it was on the plane. Given its more stationary position will also mean less maintenance needed.

[@byloyuripka9624]

lol you are a real genius griz. only an hour or two and then just fill in the screwholes! thanks for keeping us updated on where exactly you do and do not need manpad protection. a real big brain

[@FureyinHD]

Devices like this are bolted onto the (pressurised) fuselage with a few small holes for cables, and perhaps a reenforcement plate. Cutting a hole and shifting around everything inside, or adding hydraulic doors, would be a modification of extraordinary proportions. The design and implementation would run into the billions. Also, there's no room in the gear bay. Plus its very harsh environment for a sensitive device like DIRCM.

[@platiuscyndar9017]

@@travisschneider3011 two years later, the conflict has moved on. we no longer need the laser in israel, it's now needed in ukraine. Now what, huh?

[@travisschneider3011]

@Bu8813z then put it on a small solid rocket booster. Missile get detected, solid rocket booster launches, then uses a parachute so it comes down slowly. All while using the laser to redirect the missile. Only one shot but it could stay afloat for a couple of minutes, long enough for the plane to land, and then to redirect all other planes.

[@suntemple3121]

I think the most ironic thing about this story is that, "The FIM-92 Stinger Air Defense System." Is Designed by "GeneralDynamics." And made by Raytheon. Two American company, if America did not invent these devices passenger Airplanes would not be shot out of the sky.

[@octoslut]

there would have been another country to make them lol./

[@flyhighlow3]

Shout out to El Al. Those flights are just another day at the office.

[@nathanwells4809]

I sure hope we didn’t leave millions of dollars worth of man portable AA in Afghanistan when we pulled out. That’d be a weird twist.

[@CourtlandJones1]

Oh wait we did and aircraft 🤦‍♂️😭🙈

[@GavinSeim]

No one holds back aviation progress like the goons at the FAA

[@bluestarwars]

El Al kept flying despite the rocket attacks from Gaza not because of any anti-missile tech on the planes. The rockets fromGaza were ground-to-ground, not anti-aircraft missiles. The danger was Rickey’s hitting planes or passengers in the airport, or damaging the runway. And the actual chance of this happening were below negligible, anyway. The only reason a rocket hit anywhere close to the airport was an error by one team of iron-dome battery deciding NOT to intercept that rocket when they had data showing it was going to land in an empty field. They had not considered that a rocket hitting an empty field only a couple of miles from the airport would be seen as dangerous, and opted to not fire.

[@platiuscyndar9017]

I mean, considering the missile DID hit an empty field I feel like all things considered that was the right call to make. The Iron Dome interceptor missiles not fired on that missile may have made the difference elsewhere that day.

[@Techie1224]

1:47 a beautiful wire harness specially when you need to diagnose a problem 🤣🤣🤣

[@planetwally]

Anyone else catch the girl taking a selfie at 7:27 ?

[@plainsroamer405]

Well, it was mostly what I thought. 😆 But, seriously, it is frustrating that bureaucratic rules are playing any role in hindering these systems from being installed and used.

[@j.c.4139]

"making them very attractive to terrorists" : shows the US Military... 🤣 I guess it is what we think. he didn't say it's not.

[@kirayoshikage4057]

Crime fighters fight crime, fire fighters fight fire... And Freedom fighters fight not what you think they do indeed.

[@yoshikiharo1020]

What happened to Flares? Not a single mention of the pro or cons

[@ddavidebor]

I think flares are not that hard to differentiate from an engine, probably only effective on old missiles with very simple electronics.

[@nzgunnie]

the regulatory considerations for countermeasure flares are totally insurmountable for use on a civilian aircraft operating from airports.

[@HeinzUlrich65]

There is a very good May Day Episode to the missile attack from 0:30

[@ITheComplicated]

0:51 thats a nice supercell in the background