Why Florida State And The ACC Will Settle | But How Can The Conference Keep Other Members Together?

[@BronnyJamesBricks]

SEC doesn't want Florida State

[@richardsnyder842]

15:40 friendly reminder The ACC was 7-5 vs the SEC last season....

[@nole74]

Yup and all the wins except FSUs were against the teams with losing records in the SEC. When did an ACC school not FSU or CU beat a SEC team with a winning conference record?

[@richardsnyder842]

@@nole74 Miami beat Texas A&M worst than any SEC team defeated A&M ...coming from down double digits twice to win by 15 points....a game that probably oped the exit door for Jimbo A very nice win for the ACC...even if A&M finished 4-4 in league play. UNC defeated USC by more points than UGA defeated the Gamecocks. USC finished 3-5 in league play FSU and Clemson have been the benchmark teams of the ACC over the last 11 seasons no doubt........but an overall league head to head wins advantage over the SEC last season isn't anything to lightly dismiss. Take the best two teams out of the SEC or any other league and then see how that league holds up. In the College football Playoff Era the ACC is 44-53 vs the SEC...which covers the last 10 seasons ...bowls included. During that span the ACC has defeated every SEC team at least once. As an ACC fan (NC State ) I wish the record were better but still it's much better than the Finebaum addicted would have you to believe. Back in 2021 Pitt beat Tennessee at Neyland Stadium and BC defeated Missouri in Boston.....nice wins for the ACC but still both SEC teams were 500 in league play. Your question had several qualifiers to it but when I get a chance I'll look it up

[@nole74]

@@richardsnyder842 Texas AM did not have a winning record in the SEC and the best team they beat all year was probably Auburn. That's not all that great and I would not say they were a good team In the SEC.

[@cinnaminson0653]

The ACC sucks, period.

[@richardsnyder842]

@@nole74 Refer to my above post ....I said that A&M had a 4-4 record in the league.....I stand by the fact that it was still a nice win over the SEC by the ACC.....Bama only beat A&M by 6 I researched and sent a very long response to your request for ACC wins over the SEC teams with winning records in the SEC ......wins notched by ACC teams that aren't Clemson or FSU. For some reason my response failed to post. You had four different filters in your question....so It took a while to find the last game that met your requirements...here it is The Orange Bowl game between Georgia Tech and Mississippi State would be the last game to meet those requirements GT 49 MSU 34 I don't have time to go back over my complete search last night but there were also others......The ACC had plenty of quality wins over the SEC that didn't include FSU or Clemson but often the SEC team came in at 4-4 which wouldn't meet the criteria that you requested. I would love for FSU and Clemson to remain in the ACC.....not sure it will happen.

[@rlhaff3560]

The truth hurts huh? It just amazes me that so few in the ACC get this... FSU is NOT the problem, the current contract IS the problem for ALL the ACC teams... right!? Is it possible that the ONLY teams in the ACC that care about competing on a national level is FSU and Clemson?! I know it's fun to just bash on FSU, but everyone needs to WAKE UP and see the REAL problem here!

[@VBHokie]

P-R-E-C-I-S-E-L-Y!!!

[@ScottyDuke-kc7uc]

Yes they are! I will bet any amount of money that FSU goes to the sec or big 10 ! My guess is that FSU is going to the big 10!😊

[@jansonroberts2616]

@@ScottyDuke-kc7ucPerhaps eventually. But not anytime soon.

[@edwardhawkins4637]

Can the haters tell me why ESPN hasn’t signed that extension yet lol.

[@mr.valentine8399]

@@rlhaff3560 it only became a problem when fsu started crying about not being in the playoff.. yall can twist it however you want, but the timeline of everting tells me everything I need to know

[@Scottblack5687]

Get this FSU homer! Their executives signed the contract! Pay the money to leave and get on with it!

[@immaculate5784]

ESPN choosing to not opt in, that does not equate to ESPN cutting ties completely with The ACC. It most likely would mean that they are renegotiating a new deal to cover for the increased risks that the conference is facing from now until 2036. If that contract has considerable changes made to it, then yes a new GoR would be required. That is not an anti-ACC position. That's just what it is. I think what the ACC becomes in the future could be quite surprising to folks and I say that in a good way. It's just that right now its going to look bad.

[@trclark7689]

I fully expect ESPN to realize that Clemson/FSU are gone and to re-negotiate their deal with the ACC accordingly. The ACC would be wise to negotiate a settlement to replace the money that ESPN is about to take away. If they play their cards right, they can continue to live as a conference with similar money and still remain relevant with an ESPN agreement through 2036.

[@MisterArdor]

Good interview with Doug Rohan. That one and Lawrence from Cal were interesting and entertaining listens, respectively. Need the Heels to get a W tonight. Go Heels! 🐏

[@Almighty5-ww1kl]

1st time on the show that Kenton was quiet , didn’t get all those FSU jokes and all that FSU hate and thank you Doug for explaining FSU side of things

[@MisterArdor]

@Almighty5-ww1kl Kenton a mess 😂 He has his red-colored glasses on at times and I understand, but they both do a good job. They growing and I like the content.

[@Almighty5-ww1kl]

@@MisterArdor you make a good point 🤣

[@tylermoore1672]

Why are we still talking about this when football has started

[@heartbreak25]

Like it or not, it's related to football.

[@rlhaff3560]

Don't watch it then.

[@VBHokie]

You're kidding right? The ACC is on the verge of becoming a "Group of" Conference - it's kind of a big deal.

[@s98247]

FSU is no longer an elite program

[@Revolver1701]

Gee, it’s almost like a contract is legally binding. 🤷

[@Mark_Cadden]

I’m confused? I just watched Pitt beat Kent St by 31. I thought not only were they not gonna cover but they were gonna lose??????

[@ebransc09]

Because the SEC doesn’t want those underperforming litigious geeks?

[@marcusdenson3726]

After that beat down last Saturday I think yall need to Stay in the ACC

[@nole74]

There is to much risk to ESPN. If they knew the ACC stays together they renew, but they are locked in but have no idea who the conference members will be. That is a huge risk for ESPN compared to just a new contract with terms that protect them but let FSU /CU have their freedom.

[@davidbrown386]

Doug is right about the Big 10 and SEC having to integrate their new members. My gut tells me that whatever happens Clemson, Florida St and anyone else who wants to leave the ACC will not until 2027 at the earliest.Why ? If ESPN opts out the $ payment to the ACC goes down, because the contract ends. If ESPN opts in, the ACC will demand schools staying at least an extra year:

[@williamgreen9865]

PATHETIC CLICK BAIT. FSU NOT GOING ANYWHERE UNTIL 2027 AT EARLIEST

[@susanmoss7938]

As per your guest's comments-- (Pitt can't afford to pay $300 mil to leave the ACC). Pitt has an endowment of $5.5 million and FSU has an endowment of $800 million. Florida residents cannot afford property insurance, paying for FSU to get out of the ACC isn't where priorities should be.

[@coachcole7463]

Pitt has an endowment of 5.5 BILLION, not million

[@shallojalloh]

U do know that endowment money has nothing to do with athletic budgets. Lol. The only school that I know of that has housed their athletic under tht schools umbrella is Vandy.

[@nole74]

Endowments are restricted funds and have nothing at all to do with the ability to pay these costs.

[@captainspartan04]

There’s literally football tonight and this weekend can y’all talk about that instead

[@LockedOnACC]

Football only episode is coming later today

[@coachcole7463]

calm down bruh

[@Mark_Cadden]

Kenton picking Kent St to win is absolutely unbelievably stupid

[@Mark_Cadden]

Update: I was right. It was indeed an incredibly stupid take. Pitt not only won but they covered -24.5 by a TD 😂😂😂

[@jerunamooutdoors]

That guy is obviously for FSU leaving the ACC. Hes so one-sided for FSU. Let him tell it FSUnis the innocent victim. Lol!!!

[@shallojalloh]

I watched the vid.. curious to hear ur POV. What non factual item did the lawyer say as it pertains to tht ACC or FSU?

[@tremoore61]

​@shallojalloh I only spotted one thing. When he said nobody wants to drag this out. It's in the best interest of the ACC to drag this out as long as possible. To where the cost-benefit analyst makes it cheaper for FSU & Clemson to stay until 2036, as opposed to throwing away money in a long-term fight.

[@shallojalloh]

@@tremoore61 | gotcha. I took it as in general.. no major corporation wants to be in litigation. Cornell Law put did a study in 2019 which stated that their research found that 95% of corporate lawsuits end in settlement. The ACC knows they aren't winning in neither FL or SC. The best option is to come up with a number that's high enough to prevent the flood gates from opening and build a conference around UNC UVA MIAMI VT & NCst. My number 1 option would be to 1st redo the ACC media rights that keeps the number at or above the B12, while settling a $250M per team with FSU & Clemson. This prevents B12 from trying to pluck their teams. While getting an infusion of cash. Win Win for both parties

[@tremoore61]

@@shallojalloh I understand you logic. However the cost-benefit for the ACC tells a different story. The ACC could potentially lose way more by them leaving. Until they known definitively what ESPN will do, it's in their best interest to make them stay as along as possible. So February 2025 is the deadline for ESPN to make their decision. That will be the deciding factor of what the ACC should do. Anything other than that wouldn't be in the ACC's best interest. Unless they agree on a dollar about that would keep the ACC revenue intact until 2036. And FSU & Clemson won't agree to that.

[@shallojalloh]

@tremoore61 | I want to understand you logic. Can your further explain your statement "ACC could potentially lose way more by then leaving" Not saying I agree out disagree l, I his want to understand your logic before I comment

[@fsujd]

FSU probably isn’t going anywhere any time soon. Its football season. Lets drop this till something really happens.

[@Lilroy-CanesMagic]

Question Will you Utah join the ACC?

[@stephenhamel9464]

No, why would they hop on a sinking ship

[@robertrohde4579]

I guess the #10 ranking for FSU was for the conference not the country!

[@vivahernando1]

I’m an NCSU fan and I want FSU and Clempson to go wherever they can go. They are looking like programs in decline and I enjoy watching them lose

[@shallojalloh]

Finally someone to put some sense into Kentons brain.

[@billsparks5255]

ACC has zero incentive to settle this.

[@tdfsu1]

Sort of. There’s zero chance that ESPN is picking up the OPT-IN at the current rate. Once that option comes and goes in February, the ACC loses ALL leverage. It’s really that simple.

[@505premoto]

@@billsparks5255 Absolutely correct. And they won’t until the cases progress further in the FL and SC courts get underway and the ACC starts to sense that they are losing ground. There is about a 99% chance this ends in a settlement.

[@jansonroberts2616]

Some folks are going to be really surprised when February 2025 comes and goes without having much if any impact on the ACC media deal with ESPN.

[@505premoto]

@@jansonroberts2616 I presume that you are trolling. ESPN is not going to extend the ACC agreement for another nine years at the current rate knowing that FSU/CU are not going to be there for the full term. Basically, you are saying that the two schools are going to lose their court cases and remain in the ACC until 2036.

[@christopherrhodes2575]

should just add UCONN and Tulane and focus on basketball & baseball & Olympic sports

[@boweevil8390]

Go Tigers. Beat Georgia.

[@richardsnyder842]

I'm thinking that we might lose Kenton to a fine law school....it probably won't be the FSU Law School

[@phillippelouis7235]

Loving the background!

[@BoomGoesTheDynamit]

ACC needs to have FSU step up or they should dump them! They may win 4 games this year. also they are reducing the capacity of their stadium. That’s bad

[@MrJinwright]

ESPN is winning the contract, they will continue the contract, and the two parties won't settle.

[@heartbreak25]

I don't see ESPN exiting the contract either based on how much they're earning from the ACC network. I can see them settling but I think the ACC has more leverage and patience than Attorney Doug is admitting. FSU and Clemson can get out of the ACC by 2026, they're not joining a P2 until the priority targets of the P2 determine what they want to do.

[@tdfsu1]

ESPN won’t continue the contract as it’s currently written. If they were, they’d have done so in 2021 before all of this started. ESPN will continue with the ACC, but it will be a new reduced contract and won’t include FSU and CU. That will require a new GOR, thus FSU and CU walk with nothing but the exit fee owed, likely at a reduced rate. The ACC has its head in the sand.

[@505premoto]

@@heartbreak25 The ACC’s leverage is not what you think it is. ESPN is going to require certainty that FSU /CU will be in the conference for the full nine years before proposing any numbers and that is the one thing that the ACC can’t guarantee. Without that certainty, ESPN’s numbers are going to reflect the diminished value of the conference with the only two teams in the conference that are national brands.

[@jansonroberts2616]

@@tdfsu1Actually, the ACC and ESPN are in a 60 day negotiation that began on August 2 due to the composition clause and the fact that the ACC just added three new members on August 2. That clause in the media contract states that there will be a monetary negotiation when there are two or more schools added to the conference or when two or more schools leave the conference. If they don’t reach an agreement monetarily within the 60 day window, the contract states that there will be a third party arbitrator brought in to make that monetary determination. The composition clause is tied to the existing contract and only affects the league with monetary payouts. It does not change any part of the existing contract but does allow for an increase or decrease of the monetary payouts without changing the deal. ESPN will not let the negotiations go to arbitration. They will reach an agreement with the ACC with a small increase in payouts and the agreement will continue on to 2036. Watch and see.

[@heartbreak25]

​@@505premoto FSU, Clemson, and whatever other school wants to exit will have to pay a hefty fee. Whatever decline in the ESPN deal will be offset by the hundreds of millions from exit fees. Meanwhile, FSU, Clemson or whoever else will be losing $50 million+ a year while stuck in the ACC without any ability to recoup. And if they were to join the P2 it would be as a reduced share member to start so the the immediate gain would not offset the monetary loss for at least 5 to 7 years. FSU has a math problem. The P2 are happy with their current math without FSU. FSU fans simply can't understand why UNC and ND are more valuable assets in realignment which is why FSU is in this situation in the first place. The ACC is not incentivized to settle when there are still 12 years left on the deal. And ESPN has no incentive to end a profitable deal that would negate the GOR.

[@mr.valentine8399]

The rest of the ACC doesn’t give a damn about fspoo leaving.. hate this even news

[@zoe_zucci]

You will when the money isn’t coming in.

[@505premoto]

If the ACC doesn’t give a damn about fspoo leaving, then why are they fighting so hard to prevent them from leaving? Could it be because fspoo had 23.5% of the viewership of the entire conference last year? And that is how ESPN makes their money. Without fspoo and Clemson, the ACC is a G5 conference. Nobody watches those other teams and ESPN knows it. Come February, ESPN will be offering the ACC a deal that reflects the diminished value of the conference. I am soooooo glad you don’t care. I don’t want to hear any crying when that happens.

[@richardlewis631]

Lol coming from a do nothing done nothing in the ACC Miami fan. Shut the hell up

[@BlithelyUrbane]

All together let's sing "Like a bad neighbor, Florida State is there."

[@rlhaff3560]

What you SHOULD care about is the FACT that Miami and ALL the ACC schools are looking at a HUGE financial disparity over the next decade! I know it's fun to just blame FSU for everything... but that is not your problem, competing with the SEC and BIG10 is your problem... which you cannot do under the current contract!!! WAKE UP

[@briane8364]

Maybe you should sue GT for exposing you as frauds!

[@williamgreen9865]

ROHAN IS WRONG EVERY TIME.

[@harryhoesch3793]

Who wants them? FSU Sioux will be mediocre in a sub par conference this season..

[@chirocket4791]

Both FSU & Clemson lost their first game.

[@josephwofford5090]

John Skipper and Johnny Swofford strike again

[@elliotthoward4738]

FSU needs to reach out to ND if ND agrees the big ten would add both ! Asap

[@ilovegod7539]

After this past weekend this should not even be a conversation

[@tdfsu1]

Why?

[@nole74]

​@@tdfsu1cause if FSU doesn't win every game forever they should play 2nd rate ball.

[@tcjjack]

This conversation is not really adding much value to the overall situation.

[@MaddRapper11203]

Now get another lawyer that is ACC biased!!

[@jerunamooutdoors]

Exactly!!! I was thinking the same thing.

[@shallojalloh]

Lol... is there such a thing as an ACC kawyer?

[@MaddRapper11203]

@shallojalloh No but maybe they can geta lawyer that gives us the ACC's perspective

[@rx2878]

David McKenzie @mckenzielaw

[@shallojalloh]

@@MaddRapper11203 | in still lost as to what position did this lawyer take that was "pro FSU"

[@susanmoss7938]

Florida State's endowment is less than $800 million. They are spending $100 million on this action in attorneys fees. They are currently investing $300 million in their stadium. If, and this is only if, they can get out of the ACC, then they will have to pay at least $300 million. If, and this is only if, the SEC or the Big 10 takes them, they likely will not be paid their full share. Anyone else think that this isn't the best idea????

[@rlhaff3560]

Instead of just bashing on FSU, what you SHOULD be worried about is the FACT that ALL the ACC schools face a HUGE financial disparity over the next decade! Maybe your team doesn't care about competing on a national scale... but FSU and Clemson do. WAKE UP.... I know you enjoy ripping FSU, but FSU isn't the real problem.

[@joeb.317]

No one cares. Annoying host. FSU sucks.

[@Inspire886]

Where the Cane's Going?

[@pualcduffy]

ACC

[@mattcaruthers7832]

To hell with

[@davidbrown386]

From what I have heard and listened to ( like with Greg Flughar) Fox wants Miami. Miami could play UCLA to Florida State’s USC in the Big 10.

[@Inspire886]

Goo Gators! Beat them, Sugar Cane's! No Hurricane winds this weekend. Let's go!

[@artpowers812]

LOL. "ACC had the chances to assert themselves" wrt ESPN is as laughable as the PAC trying to do just what this guy says. FSU is saying they belong in a P2 level conference and the ACC failed by not being that for them. But there is only a P2. Way less wrong with how the ACC did what they did when their performance is stacked up against the little p of the P5 and not the P2.

[@pualcduffy]

FSU not going to SEC or B1G, you embarrassed yourselves with all the complaints and no one wants to deal with you. Also B1G requires real academics.

[@heartbreak25]

This part.

[@rlhaff3560]

We'll see

[@RedPillPlease]

See Michigan! 🎤drop

[@Almighty5-ww1kl]

You sound extra uninformed

[@davidbrown386]

If everything was about academics ( and even market size) Cal and ( especially) Stanford would be in the Big 10 right now

[@alfig001]

Waste of a show

[@BarnabyJones07]

10:23 They don't lose anything by rasing Hell? Did he not witness the Big 10 not want FSU because they think FSU is going to whine everytime FSU doesn't get their way? I'm sorry but your perception has taken a massive hit. and your perception matters when trying to leave a conference for another. So he's definitely wrong by saying rasing Hell won't hurt FSU because it already has lol

[@nole74]

Uh...unsourced rumor from the B10 is probably not a great way to evaluate FSUs strategy. The B10 has articles written about 6 months prior to Oregon joining saying it would not happen for all sorts of reasons. Guess what, they mean nothing

[@georgecherry1568]

Who CARES FSU IS AZZ, THEY ARE ALWAYS OVERRATED AND UNDER PERFORMED EVERY SEASON

[@rx2878]

Can't believe they featured this ambulance chaser & ACC hater.