Why Flying RC Planes Is Taken TOO Seriously

[@richbuege6491]

YOUR problem is the word toy. If you take an average .60 glo engine powered model, or about six to eight pounds, figure out the impact at 60 mph, then compare that with the impact of a .45 ACP bullet, the bullet loses. BY a factor of around 3. This is not a toy, and it can't be thought of as a toy. Also, I see lots of videos where they're flying over and in residential areas, this is something that has always been frowned on by the AMA. These are NOT toys, they can be very dangerous with unskilled hands on the sticks. Granted, your electric foamies aren't that fast or heavy, but they also do not fly on the wing, they fly on the battery for as long as it lasts. What you call 3d, I call flopping around on the threshold of being totally out of control. The people that fly those things would like to be called modelers, they're not. They have no idea what a good flying model is. Crash it and repair until the glue of the repairs is heavier than the model itself. I've been to several fields where I saw most flying in an unsafe manner, my own plane stayed in the car, and I never returned. And again, THESE ARE NOT TOYS!

[@TailHeavyProductions]

😂

[@LilSkiRC]

They are all toys. Child's toy? No, but they are still toys. My restored muscle car is a toy, someone's full scale Christen Eagle is likely a toy. If it isn't something you need to live, and you get enjoyment out of it, then it's a toy. The term toy doesn't always refer to children play things.

[@dihler55]

What other word than toy would you name an object that has the sole purpose of bringing joy and entertainment to a person?

[@richbuege6491]

@@dihler55 I don't know what you'd use. I have several metal cutting lathes that bring me joy and entertainment. Two of which would tear your arm off if you get it in the wrong place at the wrong time. I think "tool" fits well. Just as my planes were built to test my own ideas, and try to learn something from them. Balsa USA Smoothie is one hell of a plane, takes about two weeks to build, which is probably why you don't see them much anymore. With a K&B .40 in it, plenty of power and enough weight to handle pretty good winds. Which around here, if you're going to be flying, you're going to learn how to deal with wind and crosswinds. No problem.

[@dihler55]

Tool doesnt really fit well with planes imo as they serve no productive purpose wheras a lathe or a gun do fit such purposes. IF you are tlaking mapping planes and drones sure tool fits that but a model that simply exists for fun can only be labelled as a toy in my eyes as is serves no other purpose than fun. But as you can see the definition toy seems to be a bit more than a clear cut word for something for children to play with. @@richbuege6491

[@O-RoD]

FAA is just figuring out a way to tax the air space.

[@jtjames79]

There is also a deep elitism and regulatory capture. RC planes in drones aren in such a sorry state, because single-engine VFR pilots were losing contracts to take aerial photos of real estate. Real estate agents were the very first adopters of consumer quads, after a couple of flights they paid for themselves. Seriously that's the reason for the ongoing SNAFU. I went through it. I was one of the rare voices of reason calling out the BS from the beginning and was very unpopular.

[@davidmoore3479]

they don't own it. , meaning the government does not own the airspace. build your own drones without the faa spyware.

[@mikewaterfield3599]

no that's the EASA, flight in the US is actually quite Nickle and dime free. Democrats have been trying to get us to copy EURO crap for years. Simple reality is we have the most active and open airspace in the world. What will ruin it is not LSAs, Ultra Lights, home builds, VLJs, or indeed any part 91 traffic. What will ruin it is the first time a commuter gets taken out by a drone idiot trying to make a viral video. Then we will all suffer over some millenitard jack A$$es complete disrespect for aviation. RC operators need to kick these morons out.

[@Whitpusmc]

FAA wants to eliminate traditional RC because it’s a hassle, that’s all.

[@mikewaterfield3599]

@@Whitpusmc then the primary target needs to be drones. They are a menace.

[@michaelwhinnery164]

Did you actually say the AMA was fighting for you ?!?!! DUDE !!! The AMA folded like a cheap suit. Flighttest fought harder for the hobby than the AMA did and they don't charge membership fees. I never joined because I fly mostly slope gliders with a few electric models as well but I followed this regularly process pretty closely and the AMA were virtually silent.

[@jeffs7915]

Totally agree

[@ericapelz260]

Yep, the deep pocket grey-hairs in the AMA thought it would only affect quadcopters and didn't care. They were the one group with a fighting chance, and, as you said, they folded like a cheap suit.

[@SoloRenegade]

AMA was never helpful for decades prior to this, and they acted to keep kids and others out of RC aviation affordably, so most of us never had anything to do with them.

[@FAA-DPE]

I desperately tried to warn people that all the electronic flight stabilization and autopilot gizmos would destroy our Hobby. As always, I was correct. All It did was attract the unskilled idiots with no desire to learn how to actually fly, and then all the Drone KZbin vid creator wannabes flying them into every damn thing and places they shouldn't have been flying. Back when you first had to build the model yourself and hand fly it without any electronic help of any kind, RC only attracted people with an IQ high enough to be successful and we didn't have all the morons creating problems for the hobby. It's a shame how the RC hobby has fallen since the market was flooded with "Ready to fly" chinese junk with GPS Auto stabilized one button recovery and all that crap. Sure your airplanes got a lot of skills, but you still can't tie your own damn shoes much less fly precision aerobatics unassisted. The airplanes are smart, and The Operators are dumb as a brick. With no clue of how it all works. Used to everyone had to learn about radio communications and achieve their ham radio operator license and learn about electronics and designing aircraft. Now what do kids learn? My father was an engineer for Boeing on the Apollo project so I was taught how to do all my mathematical calculations on a slide rule, yet too many youth nowadays can't figure out how to make change from a dollar bill if the cash register doesn't tell them.

[@Evansrcstuff]

1. Ama grays thought it would just be actual drones and not classify anything that flies a drone. 2. Ama grays thought regulations would spur a membership boom. 3. Ama grays were pitifully wrong on both accounts.

[@xjet]

Sadly, I feel that traditional organizations such as the AMA are ill-equipped for the world today where the lingua franca of politics and regulation is $money$. These organizations were built and prospered in an era where there were no financial imperatives associated with the use of the 0-400ft airspace so "cooperation" with the authorities/regulators was easy and productive. Today however, there is an almost endless queue of very rich and powerful corporations lining up to gain access and to monetize that 0-400ft airspace so cooperation from the regulators is all but non-existant. As we've seen, the FAA is given diktats from politicians to "regulate" the hobby and they do so with pleasure. Simply expecting such organizations to listen and respond positively to the representations of those who they've been instructed to effectively "clear from the skies" is a very naive stance. Freedoms worth having are freedoms worth fighting for and it saddens me how easily the hobby has repeatedly rolled over when those freedoms are expunged without any evidence to support the claims being made by those who do the expunging. Where is any risk assessment to back up the draconian and ever more restrictive regulations now being applied to the hobby? Your video is correct when you clearly point out that the problem is not with the traditional hobby but with computer-controlled, GPS-guided, store-bought "no skill required" camera-drones. If politicians and regulators can't tell the difference between a Mavic 3 and a 250g foam scale model of a Piper Cub then they are incompetent. If they *can* tell the difference but simply choose not to draw that distinction then they are dishonest. Either incompetence or dishonesty should immidiately disqualify an individual, a group or an organization from being given the power to regulate because the outcome of such regulations will always be unfair and unreasonable -- as we now see. It saddens me immensely to see the hobby contracting in size over recent years and I die a little bit inside every time I get an email or a comment from someone who says "I'm selling up because all these regulations have taken the fun out of the hobby for me". Tim McKay posted a video the other day claiming that right now is the golden age of RC flight -- but he's wrong. We've passed that point by about 10 years and now, sadly, we're in a decline that may not be arrested before the hobby is decimated by over-regulation. Perhaps we're already seeing some of the "unintended consequences" of over-regulation and the contraction of the hobby... as the aviation industry is already experiencing huge shortages in skilled workers. Not enough pilots, not enough ATC staff, not enough engineers. Why is that? Well maybe, just mabye, it's because those who would have started their aviation careers through this hobby have found a different hobby and thus a different career path. This will only get worse I predict. And now the FAA are telling us that by 2035 we can expect about a death every-other year from falling satellites -- yet, as of the time I write this, still not one single death from the recreational use of a multirotor drone so we must be further regulated -- right?

[@Razor-gx2dq]

I saw Tim's video, I do not agree with him at all and I am really thinking about selling my stuff at this point. FAA is probably gonna find a way to tax us out of the hobby.

[@FlyOz-b7b]

Yes indeed MAA AMA people all seem to think they are clones of CASA and airline regulators Drunk on a power trip that isnt theres

[@asommer518]

The over riding two rules that should never be broken 1) Don't do anything stupid 2) Don't piss anyone off.

[@dakistle]

Sage advice

[@frankienv3906]

if your flying a model airplane in a park and a cop drives by and sees you, chances are he has no knowledge of RC Plane regulations, nor does he even care!

[@MrKyle700]

most of them want to come see it and chat! they dont care. unless you live in a [pretty populated yuppie area

[@Razor-gx2dq]

Yeah lot of cops aren't updated on new laws, my local PD is probably gonna be more concerned with the crackhead then a random rc pilot whose probably flying in a lawful location

[@smugfrog8111]

You still have cops? They all quit where I live. It's functionally legal to steal.

[@lonewolftech]

I have my TRUST certification so I’m good 😂

[@Realitygetreal]

Yep, all my interactions with law enforcement have been good at parks, including when the parents of high school kids playing baseball got pissed I was flying at the park while the game was going on,.... NEVER GOT NEAR the Baseball field but was told by a laughing police officer "they feel you are distracting the players" and the cop told them "So what, you are next to a busy highway where there are motorcycles and trucks and horns and this guys little tiny plane is distracting you" (umx trojan) he told me "I think they are looking for an excuse for why their kid sucks today"

[@ah-64apache84]

i think the argument "planes didnt cause any accidents" works. same would go for diy quadcopters, and those are often a lot faster and have fewer safety features than dji. still, i agree that regulators should consider the type of uav and typical usage to not blanket every hobby with restrictions arising from other usecases.

[@DumbledoreMcCracken]

What you are asking for is a list be maintained of everything that flies as a sUAS. The FAA doesn't have the resources to maintain that. It would be equivalent to a list of what is, and is not, an "assault weapon" (the adjudication process on those kinds of lists must be a nightmare when industry stakeholders have to pay lawyers to argue positions). It is much cheaper to dump all sUAS into a single burlap bag.

[@ah-64apache84]

@@DumbledoreMcCracken hmm i see that that wouldnt be feasable, but you could make distinctions by use case. like for example have high restrictions on fpv drone racing, but less on gliders and LOS planes. I mean it would be just like cars: you can use any kind of car to drive to work, but if you want to go very fast, go to a race track...

[@brokeandtired]

@@ah-64apache84 2KG leaves a lot of spare weight for a bomb. Hence they want to drop weight. After drones in Ukraine, they are feeling the risk of terrorism. They want you registering the specs for your heavy stuff...and you'll be made to pay for it.

[@ah-64apache84]

@@brokeandtired i dont know where your 2kilos come from, is this american law? anyways, i was not saying there should be no regulation or that regulation is not justified. i just feel like there would be better ways of regulating if you would look at how which models work and what you use them for. going by your argument, you should regulate access to programming courses, since you could do soo much damage with that...

[@BasedF-15Pilot]

There is not a firearm in history that has ever willfully and intentionally caused any human deaths, but hunks of metal and basic mechanical parts are regulated under law in a world where human behavior cannot be controlled. Legislators look to regulate and restrict commodities, goods, and raw materials as the next best thing to stopping criminal behavior, which often only impact law abiders as the additional legislation is ineffective on the target demographic (criminals).

[@sawyerheslep8493]

Full scale and model aviators: existing and happy. FAA: We're not happy till ur not happy.

[@Realitygetreal]

The are government, they want 1. all your money 2. your happiness so you fall in line

[@Realitygetreal]

FAA: Hey we just hired a bunch of Guys from the ATF.. COOL LETS BAN EVERYTHING!!!

[@ThatwillleaveaMark]

It has nothing to do with safety. It’s all about government (over) control.

[@Flatlower]

always has been

[@jtjames79]

Funny thing is you can dump the DJI no fly zone data by spoofing GPS, subtract the public no fly zones, and get a map of all the government secret bases. Because government. Also China definitely knows where all the bases are. Even places like little known suspected UFO crash sites seem to be covered.

[@Mobius118]

Absolutely. And as always, I’m impressed by the overall intelligence and clarity of sight of most people in the comment section of these videos.

[@dakistle]

Imagine an underworked squad of employees from the TV show Parks and Recreations.

[@lucar.923]

"Fur hire sicherheit" is always trendy among the tyrants 🤷‍♂

[@sherlokderp9730]

Ahh the cycle of safety -Hobby gets popular -hobby becomes widespread -Someone gets hurt or killed in hobby doing something stupid -regulations reduce the uncontrolled nature -oh look, the uncontrolled nature was what made the hobby fun in the first place. Hobby dies -eliminated injuries by eliminating hobby. Find new hobby to regulate

[@JimEdmiston]

The hobby of RC didn’t get more popular. An alien virus - drones - became associated with building and flying remote control aircraft as a hobby.

[@optionalcoast7478]

this is how the government errodes freedom and happiness from its citizens

[@Greatlakessailing]

Yeah drones effectively ruined a hobby that was entirely self regulated for over 60 years.

[@optionalcoast7478]

@@Greatlakessailing its not really the drones fault it was an inevitable evolution in tech, its government greed and power hungriness that ruined it.

[@christianjimenez6747]

not true@@optionalcoast7478

[@stevendegiorgio3143]

I have been flying R/C model airplanes for over 40 years and I'm not complying with remote ID or aircraft registration.The only thing I did different was to take the TRUST test and pass.

[@DumbledoreMcCracken]

The fine, if you are caught, is $27,000.

[@epicgamer42069]

@@DumbledoreMcCracken just dont get caught

[@Nordlicht05]

​​@@DumbledoreMcCrackenis that a fix fine? I. Germany these numbers are super vague and mostly maximum numbers for people wich really bent out of the window and already falling. Here if you use 5,8ghz video transmitter wich has more than 25mw the maximum is 100.000€.

[@jumpingjacks5558]

Maybe if the FAA sees how difficult and how much money it will be to enforce their garbage rules

[@SoloRenegade]

@@DumbledoreMcCracken the FAA can't even regulate Ultralights and they admit it.

[@thorin1045]

for the same reason why the household light bulbs got regulated to death, despite using less than 1% of the total electricity for all kind of lighting, and household lighting is the smallest part of that. the same reason why personal cars got regulated over and over, public flights got regulated over and over, but private jets never. it is all about control and rule over others, and not safety, environment or any other stuff.

[@codymoe4986]

Light bulb conspiracy alert!!! LOL! Ever wonder why those "new fangled, over regulated" light bulbs last so long??? But I suppose it's your right to want inefficiency, your right to want to waste your own money, etc...

[@thorin1045]

@@codymoe4986 ever wondered why old light bulbs also last much longer, if used properly, and once again, not the fact that it can be better, but the fact that you will be stopped soon to fly at all, by people who fly daily to gatherings where they decide you would waste too much if you had the option to fly once a ear. but i know you prefer to be controlled than ever think, that would be too much work.

[@-BUFFALOMan]

and plastic grocery bags are outlawed yet everything you buy in a grocery store is contained in plastic...

[@matejbludsky8410]

we know exactly why AMA wasn’t effective in fighting against the regulations… because they want people to fly at AMA locations so that the money can keep flowing in. More regulation -> less people in the public land and parks -> more memberships with AMA .. just follow the money

[@Mobius118]

Intriguing, I hadn’t thought of that before but it seems a plausible chain of thought

[@weseehowcommiegoogleis3770]

@@Mobius118 Plausible? Absolute is more like it.

[@jeffpv7468]

To preface this, I both work in the enterprise and military side of this industry and also do this as a hobby of mine. The issue is, it's mostly the "buy & fly" pilots who are causing issues people with 0 experience or drive for the community that buy a drone because it's cool and as such are mostly averse to learning ANY of the rules and regulations. (Ironically enough, however, the majority of mid-air collisions that have happened with drones and manned aircraft have been police or other forms of law enforcement.) People who build and fly drones, both fixed-wing and multirotor can be some of the safest around due to the knowledge that you have to have in order to make those devices. I've educated people on how to build and maintain UAS for a few years now, and the only people who have the knowledge to do all that and also break FAA regulations were going to do it anyway regardless of remote ID, registration, or anything else, as at the end of the day, these are all physical options, although not legal ones. At the end of the day, the FAA is not employing much outside help from people in the hobby or the community itself other than the AMA, which although is good, does not represent everyone and often don't have the best ideas on how to regulate national airspace. These rules and regulations that are coming out of the FAA are mainly focused on gearing the National Airspace System (NAS) for commercial use. The issue is, a lot of the regulations are frankly [butt] backward. Take remote ID for example, instead of it being used to better integrate UAS into the NAS (such as it being used as a branch of ADSB) it's instead being employed for Karens, miscreants, and armed land chuds to easily find your location and cause trouble. Additionally, forcing people to follow the rules of a CBO doesn't make any sense when the FAA themselves are the ones who are supposed to be the ones making the rules and regulations for flying. This is blatant evidence that they have no idea what they're doing when it comes to the hobby. ( TO BE CLEAR as far as the latest drafts of Section 44809(a)(2), you do not have to be a MEMBER of the organization, you just have to follow their GUIDELINES). One of my biggest problems with the AMA is the refusal to move forward with technology, and the persistent stigma against folks who are flying anything with a flight controller. If you're flying with a laptop for telemetry and ground track readout, to them, you might as well be flying a bomb and you're going to nosedive into the pits at any time. Lots of fields have passed rules that prohibit anything but the most basic RX TX setup for aircraft, with maybe a gyro thrown in every now and again. This comes on top of sometimes egregious fees monthly/yearly for flying on top of your AMA membership that only people with a full-time job can afford with no exceptions for kids that may want to learn and fly. My FPV fixed wing can literally fly and land all by itself if needed, while the AMA guys with gassers have "ENGINE OUT!" every other flight and struggle to get it back on the field without it turning into splinters 10ft from the threshold. Even when I fly with an FPV drone in the pattern in a docile manner exactly as a fixed-wing would, many say that it is "distracting, and contributes to crashes and mishaps", in all honesty, if you cannot focus on your aircraft in the pattern with 8 other aircraft flying, it is very much a pilot issue and not the issue of another aircraft. Furthermore, the AMA successfully dupes many people into thinking you HAVE to have an AMA membership to fly ANYWHERE in the US period, and some even believe it's a federal entity( this is mostly younger/newer members but even the older guys have this misconception). This predatory practice is not handing itself well to AMA's credibility in many people's eyes. The unmanned hobby as a whole has many deep-rooted issues that are going to have to be un-kinked in the following years, both due to the FAA and due to the shortage of younger RC pilots. Ultimately, if RC pilots want to have more freedom than UAS, they should be more heavily restricted in flight areas, which is fine for 99% of RC flying as they already kind of are relegated to RC fields. But the people who want to fly under Part 107 and do BVLOS and over 400ft should be allowed to do so with the proper modules or tech and REASONABLE authorization from the FAA (not a 500-page waiver that needs 8 members of Congress and the president of the universe to sign off on it). There is room for all of us in the sky to fly and have fun safer than ever before. The way things are being handled by our government is geared much more towards commercialization and monetization of airspace rather than hobby hobby-oriented mindset. The implementation of rules that become "self-fulfilling prophecies" or "dammed if you do dammed if you don't" situations is going to kill this hobby.

[@foxprogt]

Its not about safety. Its about taking the extra money we have to spend on this hobby. Its about imposing fees just to fly our models. They want to get to a point where flying a model requires a subscription. We'll have to buy time cards with flying minutes on them and anybody that says "noooo it'll never get to that point", you're the reason why its getting to that point.

[@capnhardway]

Somewhat true, it's about control. These things can be weaponised, you realize that right? They want to know who we are where we are and how many of us there are, if we as aeromodelers were organized like a military force?😮But, it's just a hobby right?😂

[@atari7001]

@@capnhardwayyou have a point. Government didn’t used to worry about assault weapons and drones. Their worry appears to have increased considerably. Wonder why?

[@atticusrallye702]

I think it already is a subscription for most. To fly in my area, NE Tennessee, the best place is a club, which requires AMA membership, which is I'm itself a subscription. I gave up on that club because I'm not willing to pay $80 a year to fly toys.

[@capnhardway]

😂

[@wattage2007]

@@capnhardway Kitchen knives can be weaponised, as can ball bearings. Do we ban those too?

[@parallax_aerial_photography]

In Canada we have remote ID, it's just only mandatory for drones over 25kg. We need licensing for any aircraft over 250g as well. I have not flown model fixed wing aircraft since I was a kid, but now fly FPV quads constantly. I make sure that I obey all laws and regulations surrounding my flight and always bring a visual observer with me. I have never had or even met someone in my local FPV community that has had an incident where anything except for their drone was damaged and the only injury I've ever seen was when someone almost cut their fingers off when they accidentally bumped their arm switch while carrying their cinelifter. He got away with some deep lacerations and a damaged sense of pride. This is far and above the safest hobby I participate in. I also sail, and I've seen people end up in hospital on more than one occasion over the years, boats collide, run aground, and sink, damaging the ecosystem and crating hazards for other people. When my freestyle drone comes home in a bag, the only other things that were damaged are my pride and my wallet.

[@johnnyp5788]

As a fixed wing flyer and sailer too I completely agree it's funny however, when I bring a float plane out at a lake people are more concerned with it than all the drunk "captains" in speed boats and pontoons.

[@FlyMIfYouGotM]

My take would be for the FAA to just go after the idiots and leave the rest of us alone! The problem they have with that approach is that solving the problem that way would actually force them to do their job and find/prosecute the idiots. It's far easier for them to harass the rest of us just to make all of the Karen's and Kevin's think something is being done.

[@veloxsouth]

Well said. Regulations can be good, but all too often we see them being applied in a way that forces otherwise law abiding people to prove their innocence by complying to surveillance than actually taking accountability to those who endanger or exploit others.

[@Siamect]

FAA's would never go after idiots... Would be like going after their brothers...

[@DumbledoreMcCracken]

Regulatory evolution is a cost-effective means to stay within expected budgetary limits. FAA does not have the budget to manually police the skies. And, I don't want to explain my actions to a DHS employee with an 87 IQ. If you want to pay 10% more in federal tax, just to man-up FAA to police the skies, I am not with you.

[@Siamect]

@@DumbledoreMcCracken The budget of FAA is about 30% of the budget of CIA... Should be enough to put a bad guy to monitor every registered drone pilot in USA.

[@mikewaterfield3599]

RC operators need to disavow drones. I built RC aircraft for years before I had a PPL. Not once did an RC aviator display anything less than total respect for the hobby and for airspace. I have yet to meet a drone operator who acted like anything better than an entitled child convinced their antics "aren't hurting anyone". To the point of having a 6' drone cut across my nose at 1700' in class Charlie airspace. I followed the thing for about a mile and it was doing every bit of 60 knots. my only regret is not getting proper video, the droid razor's camera is sub optimal for the task.

[@danieldsouza3829]

IMHO requiring Remote ID should be something that is enforced only on drone manufacturers, and the "Home-built unmanned aircraft" exception (per part 89) should be expanded to also cover any non-production, custom-built model aircraft. Someone who is capable of building a RC plane or multi-rotor with a malicious intent isn't going to leave fingerprints, let alone a use a Remote ID module, so Remote ID isn't making the custom-build side of the hobby any safer. Unrelated to this but a comment on remote ID in general, given my previous experience being harassed by ignorant onlookers while following all legal and common sense rules, I'm not a fan of my plane broadcasting the takeoff location which says, "Here's the location of someone with hundreds or thousands of dollars of gear and reduced awareness of their immediate surroundings."

[@Razor-gx2dq]

And that info will be available to everyone, since I know it's here to stay at the very least make the data only accessible to Law enforcement, to avoid harassment of otherwise lawful pilots.

[@Prifly70]

What bad guy/gal is going to register their drone with the FAA and get remote ID installed, then go do something horrible? That's like calling the cops on yourself before you rob a bank. Knee jerk reaction that's going to kill the hobby. Can we have the regulators names, phone numbers addresses and what parks they go to to relax? Seems fair.

[@williamjones9614]

I really loved this hobby back in the early 90"s when i first started. We had what some would call a outlaw field, no AMA required, no chumps telling you what to do or how to fly, you dont like it leave, that simple. you could try and fly whatever no matter how silly, lots of great innovation. 30 years latter i still enjoy my hobby, my flying field is a hay field at the back yard, and love the long range fpv setups i do. but im not going to include the FAA in any of it. "EVER"!

[@crackers494]

I love this channel, makes me really want to fly again. I started this hobby in 2013 because of FPV, it made it possible for me to fly even with my disability. I can’t turn my head enough to fly normally so FPV allowed me to see where the plane was going. I researched everything about the FPV niche, what frequency to use and why, antennas, where to put your video tx to avoid interference, and I even got my amateur radio license. I learned so much about electronics in such a short time. I outfitted my Apprentice S 15E with a 5.8ghz video tx but only had a few flights because it would rain on every free weekend. I built a racing type quadcopter, but the short flight times got boring with no one to race with. I quit flying once drone hysteria took hold. My dream was to fly a cub with an fpv camera in the cockpit but that’s ruined now. In my opinion the community trying to distance fixed wings from multi-rotors is what led us down this path. What is the difference between foamies and quadcopters? Both have the same motors, ESCs, and radios. And both can be used with or without an FPV system. Why are quadcopters signaled out? Because they have four rotors instead of one like a helicopter? The media, politicians, and the FAA want to call both drones. But neither are drones, they must still be piloted. As long as you fly away from people and airports what difference does it make what the rc model looks like?. It was already illegal to endanger real aircraft. The old RC guard demonizing FPV and quadcopters did nothing to help. The AMA rolling over to beg the FAA to go after FPV quadcopters so they would leave fixed wings alone was foolish. They opened the door. The regulators see no difference between the two, especially because this really started when the FAA fined Trappy in 2011 for flying his fixed wing aircraft around a community college. I wish the entire RC aircraft community, multi-rotors and all, would have circled the wagons together with the AMA as the tip of the spear. We could have stopped this nonsense before it started. We just had to convince the public that hobby aircraft are nothing to be afraid of.

[@breckfreeride]

Sounds just like my old man... I got him the apprentice with an fpv setup and then a little tiny whoop. There is a difference between quads and dji. Many quad pilots built their rigs and learned like you did. DJI comes rtf and will practically fly itself and can even turn the wrong direction based off the mode you have selected. If the DJI is facing you and you want it to go to your right, you push right and the drone goes to its left or your right, no actual pilot skills needed! Some DJI pilots fly in dumb places and recklessly over people. Quad pilots are either swooping a mountain or shooting gaps in trees in their yard and not hurting anyone. The fudds just like in gun culture with bump stocks, didn't fly quads and because they were different they were not accepting. They don't fly patterns like the old guys. Biggest take away is these are just rules not laws...

[@vracan]

whats worse in Canada I was forced to take a tc drone exam to be able to fly my model airplane where 99% of the questions were as revelant to model airplanes as underwater basket weaving.

[@Paiadakine]

In the USA you can get your part 107 with a certificate that looks just like a part 61/135 pilots certificates. The kicker is you can get your part 107 without ever flying a sUAS. There is no practical test.

[@smugfrog8111]

@@Paiadakine There's no test for guns either, since drones are a viable weapons platform in common use. They're covered under 2A.

[@dakistle]

The broad regulatory strokes are sickening

[@Blueberry954]

The hobby here in Canada is stone dead. STONE dead.

[@mikesierra8593]

Great factual summary. Thanks for sharing your research.

[@allendyer5359]

Might say did a better job than a team of lawyers paid by the AMA, but eh I wanta stay in the club.

[@AchronTimeless]

If anything, the AMA trying to throw quadcopter pilots under the bus repeatedly ended up backfiring when they found out "unmanned aircraft" applied to them too. All the bets were placed on FRIAs since their members need airfields, so they'd agree to weight limits, trackers, even trying to limit battery voltage at one point to 4S, because they figured it wouldn't apply to them at their airfields.

[@Whitpusmc]

We’re not trying to throw them under the bus, just get the FAA to recognize that there is a world of difference between my scale F4U flown in a racetrack pattern within a very defined space of a few acres always within my sight and a DJI quad flown via GPS out of the operators line of sight.

[@AchronTimeless]

@@Whitpusmc and I fly FPV freestyle/racing quads, yet we keep getting lumped in with some moron that bought a DJI drone and immediately flies it over a football stadium on the first day. This whole attitude of trying to say quads are somehow inherently bad in comparison to planes in the face of politicians and regulators who can't tell and don't care about the difference between my home built freestyler that can't hover unless I'm actively doing it myself and something a 5 year old can "pilot" ended up backfiring when those same regulators don't see the difference between remotely operated aircraft no matter how many propellers it has. Trying over and over to say "no, those are bad, hurt them not us" ended up hurting everyone.

[@Whitpusmc]

@@AchronTimeless But now you and I both need to put a $200 plus gps coordinate sending and relaying to FAA device when there is minimal to zero need. There could have been some sense to this that if you are flying out of line of sight or on GPS or above 400 feet etc you need a device and any commercially built drone after 2024 over X ounces but the FAA wants us out of the airspace so that Amazon can use it.

[@RebelByNature]

@@Whitpusmc you just compared flying your scale F4U Corsair legally and safely with a dji done flown illegally and unsafely. Yes, by definition one is a problem and one is not. Unfortunately, you fixed wing operators see a couple of KZbin videos of idiots doing unsafe, illegal and stupid things and you think that is representative of drone fliers. It is not. It would be like someone seeing a few KZbin videos of street racing and drifting and assume that is what drivers do. By the way, I think scale warbirds are awesome.

[@Whitpusmc]

@@RebelByNature We are mostly in agreement but it’s those idiots that brought the AMA down upon us while I and others in the FW community were begging legislators for park space and begging drone operators to not put videos of long free flights online and to try to police their own. When I go to a drone operator and ask them to do something I’m an old dude out of touch but coming from another drone operator it has a chance of resonating?

[@bric_dude]

i feel like all the regulations make people want to break them more. i feel like a simple, "hey dont fly in the way of large aircraft, or do really dumb stuff, or else you get in trouble." would be sufficient.

[@SoloRenegade]

As a "real" pilot of manned helicopters and airplanes, I support this, always have. Never had an issue.

[@MrKyle700]

My main beef is why did they pick 250g as the weight limit? It's arbitrary. It could have been 1kg and that would have exempted many more styles of fixed wing. If it was 2kg, I don't think you would have as many complaints because that is getting into the realm of a pretty large flying device.

[@ianhoyt2638]

I agree that 250g is an odd weight. I just want to fly my 1.5 meter planes in peace!

[@brokeandtired]

2KG leaves a lot of spare weight for a bomb. Hence they want to drop weight. After drones in Ukraine, they are feeling the risk of terrorism. The want you registering the specs for your heavy stuff...and you'll be made to pay for it.

[@sed6]

Meanwhile, we can launch model rockets up to 3.3 lb (1.5 kg, 1500 grams) up to 18,000 feet at speeds above Mach .5 without an FAA waiver! Go figure that!

[@MrKyle700]

@@brokeandtired You don't even need a bomb. That's the newest thing. Simply make a plane around 4kg, maybe a bit extra, get a big motor and prop, and just slam it super fast into important targets. Still does enough damage to disable whatever you hit.

[@crackers494]

Because the 250g thing was pulled out of thin air. No one can find where the FAA got 250g from, they just made it up. Before it was under 55 pounds (25kg).

[@johnhicks5849]

I'll go ahead and say the quiet part out loud. The reason that the FAA wants remote ID on model aircraft is to isolate the position of the model aircraft operator. Model aircraft builders/ pilots have historically been more of the mechanically / electrically inclined group of people. The government does not want this type of person engaging in activities that stimulate that skill, nor are they too wild about having these groups of people socializing with each other. Most of you have already thought it, I just said it!

[@MrKyle700]

no it isn't. They've been very clear about why they want this regulation. It's because commercial drone companies are worried their autonomous drones will hit things in the airspace and they want all aerial systems to broadcast where they are in real time. It's got nothing to do with safety or being worried about technical minded people

[@smackfpv]

Interesting... I don't disagree with you John on this. An interesting take for sure.

[@wesbrackmanthercenthusiast4695]

​@@MrKyle700 bought of you are correct

[@Razor-gx2dq]

I'd say its a bit far fetched but I never doubt the governments search for more and more control

[@casey360360]

​@@MrKyle700you mean, the same way literally anything commercial use is tracked and regulated? You don't need a CDL and an ELD to own and drive a semi truck for private use, you shouldn't need a license and transponder to fly a fucking EPO Foam RC plane.

[@ericrisinger1241]

8:54 is the same thing gun owners have been saying about gun laws for decades. Newsflash, laws dont stop criminals

[@93Rcadventures]

Thank you for putting this issue into perspective for all types air based hobbies, hopefully this will be seen by the powers that be, and take this into info into perspective the same. "High Hopes" LOL.. in short... Well said, Excellent delivery!!!

[@BarrettCharlebois]

Canadian pilot here. I think you might have mixed it up, since canada does NOT have remote ID requirements in place. We have a somewhat okay licensing system, RPAS basic (similar to part 107), and RPAS advanced (used if flying drones larger that 55lbs, or over people). RPAS basic is a $10 open book online test with unlimited retries, and is easy. RPAS advanced requires a certain amount of documented flight hours, and an in person exam at a certified drone testing facility. Currently, there is no RID requirements on the books, and no indication we are going to have it in the future (so far, but it would not surprise me if it happened). We have 400ft AGL limits, and 5 nautical miles from airports, as well as a few other protected airspace’s such as national/provincial parks, around military installations, and private property unless given permission, etc.). There is an aircraft registry you need to fill out for your drone/model aircraft. It’s simple and just requires a form and then to put a label somewhere on your airframe with specific information printed clearly. There is no distinction between model aircraft and drones, as this is for “any remotely piloted aerial system”. Indoor airspace it not regulated. Sub 250g unlicensed category is available, provided you comply with airspace restrictions and don’t fly over people. Dropping ANY LIQUID other than water from a drone is illegal, and because of that we have no fire fighting or agricultural drones. Dropping cargo, flying beyond line of sight, and other ultra advanced functions can be granted on a case by case basis through the Special Flight Operations Certificate (SFOC) system, which lets you file a proposal to Transport Canada explaining the mission, the aircraft, the risk management strategy, pilot skill sufficiency, insurance (if applicable), and who would hold responsibility should something go wrong. They will review the case, and make a judgement on if it’s reasonable or not. I have seen two SFOC’s in my area, one for a 1000 drone swarm used for light shows combined with a ground based fireworks display, and the other one is for a BVLOS FPV pilot who does high speed organ transplant services within Toronto. I’m working on getting my SFOC since I want to experiment with long range FPV to monitor soil erosion on the Great Lakes for insurance data sets. Overall, although I wish the SFOC was more accessible, we actually have a fairly well rounded system in place in canada. I am happy that it’s a simple entry point, has a sub 250g class, and has the option of getting more advanced licenses. The only thing I would change is the prohibition of dropping any liquid other than water, as I have found several business cases for agricultural drones in my area and would also love to make a water scoop seaplane drone for forest fire management efforts. I’ve come up with a plan on how I could lobby that with Transport Canada, so I am optimistic it will come eventually.

[@NScaleCPRail]

I strongly disagree about the system being well rounded. The amount of controlled airspace in some parts of Canada can make flying anything over 250 grams basically illegal. Example of this is the Victoria, BC area. The vast majority of the region is controlled airspace which means sub 250g only. This includes the only club field in the area, so there stuck flying UMX aircraft. It makes zero sense whatsoever to blanket restrict the flying of RPAs in this area. My understanding is MAAC has made progress to having model aircraft classified separately so hopefully we will see some changes soon. The fact I can't fly a 1.2m cub at the high school 2 minutes from my house when ground level there is easily 200 feet below that of the surrounding area is just poor regulation.

[@BarrettCharlebois]

@@NScaleCPRail of course the city is going to be restricted. I disagree with your assessment of our airspace making basically anything above 250g illegal. Just because to live in a restricted zone, doesn’t mean the rest of the country is restricted. Just go outside the city 🤷‍♂️ less than 5% of our nation’s sq footage has any sort of airspace restriction on it.

[@NScaleCPRail]

@@BarrettCharlebois In this part of the country going outside the city area is not really an option, it's all forest and mountains.

[@Zbip57]

@BarrettCharlebois Pretty much the ONLY thing you got correct is currently no RID requirement in Canada. Where did you find a restriction on dropping ANY LIQUID other than water from a drone??? 250g-25kg requires drone registration and either Basic or Advanced pilot certificate. Basic is NOT allowed within any controlled airspace or nearer than the specified distances to aerodromes, heliports, or bystanders. Unlike Basic, Advanced permits all of those things but requires a tougher test, plus a Flight Review, plus the use of an Approved drone. Advanced pilots can fly in controlled airspace with proper authorizations. Anything beyond the scope covered by either Basic or Advanced (i.e. > 25kg) will require an SFOC from Transport Canada. There are Class-F restricted zones applicable to ALL aircraft (including sub-250 Micro) such as over the Parliament Bldgs and Niagara Falls, as well as National Parks, NOTAMS for wildfires, etc. Strictly speaking, none of the other restrictions, (controlled airspace, distance from aerodromes, over people) none of those apply to sub-250g Micro other than the cardinal don't-be-stupid rule 900.06 Reckless & Negligent. Don't be a hazard to manned aviation or people on the ground.

[@Ri-hr4uy]

I live in a nation where this hobby is so restricted that you literally need a police permit to even fly such type of a RC Aircraft. Many people, including myself have stopped giving a ln actual fuck about these "rules" and regulations and instead do as we wish as long as we aren't causing hazards or issues for others

[@joeshmoe7967]

If my DJI Mini 2 could take down a Black Hawk Heli, I think the Military needs to up their specs.... There are drones and very large RC craft that could be an issue, but for the most part the danger is very small.

[@edwarddietrich717]

At least I will have a remote ID to be safe, unlike the guy that straps a bomb to a UAV and flies it into a building without a remote ID. Oh yeah, let's also take away forks because too many people are getting fat. Please FAA save us from ourselves!!!

[@airshipcpt3714]

I think remote ID will impact companies more than us rc pilots. Mainly we don't cause issues and the FAA does not have enough people to enforce the rules on individuals.

[@joeshmoe7967]

Agree. Not hard to build and fly somewhere without it being an issue. All my RC stuff is older, so no ID even possible. Pick and choose where to fly, don't be stupid, no issues.

[@JoseArrom]

Remote ID as it now exists will probably go the way of FCC Citizens Band radio licenses and Morse code. Radio hams basically regulate themselves and test beginners for their licenses.

[@calebrosenhauch4296]

I plan to never put any extra devices in my aircraft and I will fly in empty fields far from airports.

[@austinlangley4539]

Thanks for bringing up us Canadians how it’s effected us too

[@notbeluga8113]

IDGAF what the FAA has to say. I'm gonna fly my little planes anyway.

[@reneazahar8505]

Fuck yeah dude!

[@DavidTaghehchian]

I don't think the issue is even Multirotors vs Model planes. It's DJI/RTF Multirotors vs everything else. We are all being punished because of DJI and other RTF Multirotors.

[@YuriGlinkin-vl5ze]

Well, tbh the most dangerous ones are fixed wing fpv carriers with flight controllers on board. Cause they can just casually go 5km up and 5km out, at which point aircraft collision is a very real threat

[@hanelyp1]

Ready to fly aircraft for idiots, vs. hobby built models that require a measure of smarts to fly.

[@DKTek07]

They have no control of the end users actions. Blame the ignorant users... they are the ones doing the damage.

[@FirePilot2020]

I grew up flying RC and started flying drones well before part 107 and have owned DJIs after. You’ll still catch me flying a UMX occasionally, but most of the time these days I’m flying full size airplanes and helicopters for work. In my time as a professional pilot I’ve had 2 near misses with DJI Phantoms - they were so close I could easily make them out; and in both cases it would’ve been far too late to maneuver by the time you can see them. Both were within class D airspace and between 500-1000’ AGL. Thinking about the areas often surrounding Class D airports you’ll usually find residential, golf courses, and light industrial zones. I’ve lived within the lateral boundaries of 2 different Class Ds and the story is the same every year - from about Christmas to New Year’s Day I can go to any neighborhood park and find a child or young father that has just received a multirotor as a gift takin it up for a spin. Im all for RCs, but I think the public education specifically around commercially available multirotors/drones needs to go WAY up. When people who live immediately adjacent to an airport, who listen to airplanes flyby all day, everyday, don’t have the sense to avoid flying right up into the traffic patterns of moderately busy airports there’s clearly a disconnect between what’s fun/exciting vs what’s legal/safe. Ive flown hundreds of wildfire missions and had drones shutdown entire multi-million dollar fire operations, because a thick skull decides they should try to get some footage of a wildfire within a TFR… it truly boggles the mind. With regard to the FAA… like any regulatory agency it just boils down to a room full of people who’s paycheck relies on making aviation perceptively safer and hopefully actually safer. The day someone dies in a full size aircraft because of an RC strike is the day said people will simply be forced to do their job. It’s that simple.

[@kaasmeester5903]

The danger is real enough (just the other day a pilot reported a drone at 1000ft right on an arrival route into the CTR). The hobby has changed in the 35 years since I started. R/C aircraft were expensive and there was no such thing as park flyers, you pretty much had to fly (and because of the cost: learn to fly first!) at a designated R/C field, especially in my crowded country. So the places you could fly were limited, and you automatically got a little education while learning to fly. These days anyone can pick up a drone or foamy and fly it pretty much anywhere, without lessons and without the wisdom of the old timers. And with FPV, you can fly beyond line of sight. It's only fairly recently that simple ignorance can put your R/C craft in the path of a full size one. The thing is: is remote ID going to prevent these near misses from happening? At the end of the day, I think you are absolutely right about bodies like the FAA, in that the appearance of safety is often good enough, especially if they are forced to act by politics. That might well be the case here.

[@vracan]

the complaints are for severely regulating rc airplanes where it should be for drones only. When was the last time a full-sized aircraft had a close call with a model airplane?

[@MrKyle700]

It's already illegal to fly that high though. They didnt need extra regulations for that. Why not just make standard ID for drone companies and leave the scratch builders alone

[@FirePilot2020]

@@MrKyle700I absolutely agree. That’s why I said education for commercially available drones and multicopters needs to improve - nothing about scratch builders or scale flyers. My stance is that drones flown by people not involved in the traditional RC world have been causing issues and making it harder for everyone in the flying RC world. I’m not one for blanket regulation as I’ve always found the response doesn’t meet the intention, but just like the CDC and FDA have been driving down rates of smoking through education, I think a similar approach could be effective in the RC world.

[@FirePilot2020]

@@vracanidk if the channel deleted my original response to you, but let’s try again… as I said - you and I agree, but since you asked: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKfGf2Bmhc6ee7csi=IqTqG_dWq_FrQPFy

[@IoannJWazir]

tail heavy production videos are more beautifull than anything on this platform

[@Ledface117]

The idea of me and the guys who fly at my local flying field registering all of their planes with the FAA is utterly laughable

[@kim10896]

You really hit many points here. We visited Canada in 2022 and it took us over a year of preparation and communication with authorities to fly FPV Drones there. We literally apply to any of the german laws including something which nearly equals remote ID. At some point we had the impression that we were the first "idiots" who asked for permission. BUT it clearly paid off because the footage came out stunning 🙂 Keep going with your videos. One per week is tough - but I hope the community feedbacks you the right way. It is always a pleasure and great fun to watch your videos :-)

[@boss2234]

You guys do good work. Thanks

[@ianhoyt2638]

I like your guys videos a lot. I'm happy to watch whatever content you make, but I would like to see more bush-flying or other flight related shenanigans as opposed to the lists and news videos. I still appreciate you taking the initiative to spread knowledge on the subject of flight regulations though. The quality of videos you make are always top notch and more put together than the other rc creators. Thank you for all that you do, can't wait to see what you cook up next week!

[@adamlannerd1408]

Where did that Ki-61 come from?

[@TheGunterGlieben]

RIP r/c hobby. 😢 The hobby was already dying... average age of our club members is probably 65. The new rules and restrictions are just speeding the demise. You are right, the line of sight r/c aircraft should never have been lumped together with the non line of sight capable drones/fpv aircraft. Idiots...

[@DonTimmons-kh4dz]

Totally agree, I just turned 65, and am getting back into the hobby after a 35 year layout. Just spent $1300 on a new plane, radio, and everything. This stuff is expensive, and since the AMA appears to be snuggling up to a branch of government instead of representing its members, I think I'll just keep that $75 in my pocket.

[@bb1040]

All of my RC flying aircraft are in a box in the basement, not because they are dangerous but because I have been regulated out of the hobby. I am 76 years old now and I have enjoyed the hobby for some time now, but can not afford all these new regulations. Guess I will try RC trucks until they are regulated out of my budget also.

[@ChainsawFPV]

We have a place in CT we call Tree World that our group flies at and its very big with no power lines or traffic. We have a friggen blast, and clean up the area at the end of the day, and no one bothers us. It is getting tough to find a nice area, and some of the pilots travel 2 hours to come fly there.

[@nickhaslem4185]

golf balls will need remote id before the faa is done

[@MaxR52]

omg such a serious tail heavy, very nice. production quality is lookin niceeeeee

[@codys8754]

Best video and explanation of the current situation. This is the video I’ll show to people who don’t understand or agree all “drones” should be regulated.

[@BigMoTheBlackDragon]

Yes, regulate marathons. After all, the race was named after a guy died after running that distance. Run the race, you shouldn't be coming home. Also, fun fact, the military is exempt from the FAA regs on r/c & drones. I don't like that there is a "one rule for thee, another for me".

[@3DPrintHangar_RC]

I always look forward to the weekend, but your videos make me REALLY look forward to the weekend! Always a good laugh from you wonderful folks!! Keep up the awesome. Videos!

[@WindCatcherRC]

Thanks for another informative video. Sad no one of consequence from the FAA will see this video. I had a few conversations with the FAA to include some at the HQ in DC when RID was first suggested. Basically these rules are being made by people who have no clue about the RC hobby and they don't care to find out. We are unfortunately governed by unelected bureaucrats who don't care to educate themselves.

[@DumbledoreMcCracken]

I have always believed that the people who use the term "full scale aircraft" are somehow working against the interest of the hobby by characterizing the planes, and their roles as aviators, as more than what they objectively are. As if model planes have more to do with real planes than birds, bats, and flying squirrels, fish, and reptiles.

[@dihler55]

We can really only hope that governments around the world will see the difference between a consummer grade drone (like DJI, Skydio etc) and recreation hobby machines one day. I highly doubt that will ever happen though.

[@lucasgamezz140]

Germany does already. As long as your RC plane has no cameras and weighs under 5kg you can fly it with only having insurance. No minimum age, no permit needed, just insurance and line of sight. Bigger? The property owner needs a permit for the property you are starting and landing at. Only when you add a camera do you need fucktons of permits

[@dihler55]

That is not true as soon as 2024 hits. I'm a german myself and as soon as that hits you will need to have the A1/A3 certificate to fly anything above 250g. And that cert requires you to have a liability insurance that will cover UAV related damages. The EU drone laws that are coming up are quite the jungle to work through.@@lucasgamezz140

[@hanelyp1]

@@lucasgamezz140 no cameras, i.e. they don't want you recording newsworthy events from the air.

[@lucasgamezz140]

@@hanelyp1 No. No cameras because they don't want you recording other people without their consent. Do you always just default to conspiracies?

[@jdsstegman]

I'm so glad the club in my town owns the property!! I live in Fargo ND. About 45 minutes from Grand Forks. As many know, grand forks was the area where the usa has their drone programs. When all this started on my local news, the trainers up in Grand forks was mis representing the new laws. They didn't even know the rules. It was so absurd. Where I always use to fly was withing 5 miles of the airport. And I was invited to the airport tower to talk to the head of air traffic, and at the end he said I didn't need to call the tower anymore. I told him no. I don't get special permission to fly anywhere I want. They had no clue. It's always the few that wrecks it for the many.

[@DumbledoreMcCracken]

You are not supposed to call the tower. You are supposed to use an "app" to request permission.

[@LOCOsnakeBITES]

I fly planes and none of them will ever have remote ID. No way in hell im weighing my crafts down so some idiot on his computer can see I'm flying in my back yard. And I have 2 cops friends that love flying 2m warbirds. They already said they aren't bothering either 😂😂 wow this is pathetic what lengths the FAA will go to in order to track kids playing with toys. Creeps

[@jasonfreyburger1756]

I register with the FAA. That’s all they get! Especially when I’m flying in my own back yard! Government oversight is almost always overreach!

[@Initial-B]

They should just outlaw the “autopilot” on drones so that there’s actually a learning curve and barrier to entry for the smoothbrains who are just after 5 minutes of viral footage fame rather than those actually interested in flying.

[@bluhammer06]

My view is that there wouldn’t be regulation, but with the power and financial future of remote/autonomous commercial delivery systems etc coming online, we are the bump in the road to further commercialization of our airspace. Money talks, RC walks!

[@richardunruh4035]

8:40 "...no one really knows why": An excellent broadly applicable statement regarding the U.S. federal government. In this case it seems like it's least effort (and thought) to determine a course of action that *seems* like it does something useful, when in fact it doesn't help (much) regarding the actual "threat" and imposes unreasonable sanctions on the innocent - especially if "the innocent" don't represent a large enough voting block to matter to the powers-that-be.

[@Mobius118]

Perhaps it’s really the innocent they want to control?

[@AlstonAerospace]

The clip at 1:18, where the old guy is starting his plane, was taken from the Maui RC field on Maui, Hawaii. Glad to see my home flying field in a video!

[@TailHeavyProductions]

It sure was! I filmed that clip there. -Zach

[@tbogt98]

Love your videos! Been in the hobby for 10+ years and I have gained so much knowledge from you guys, I see a flyzone beaver in a few of your videos but not a lot of screen time, I'd love to see it if it's in one piece. Maybe some repair videos would be good if not

[@Realitygetreal]

THE AMA SOLD US OUT!

[@electron_290]

FIRST!!!!!!1!111 It's crazy how all these regulations came from drones, not R/C airplanes.

[@toolbaggers]

Xjet uses his special math skills to also state that there will never statistically be a drone death in 400 years!!! Since everything will be totally different in 400 years so basically never!!!!

[@monchichis333]

I actually know the guy who crashed their plane into the power lines. That's here in Salt Lake City Utah

[@mikehenry8861]

Great video. After flying for over 20 years, I have the overwhelming feeling that we are still screwed though. I've have had my remote ID's on order for months now and still waiting. I think I'll gravitate to micro planes with the hope that they won't take me to jail or sue me for everything I have for violations with itty bitty planes. Major bummer.

[@AP-rj8wl]

So how are they going to know if you have remote id or not? Especially when main way they know your flying is if you have remote id.

[@Rcfullscale]

My club gathers on Sunday Australia time and we all wacth the new tail heavy together.

[@davedemo8229]

we lost our field this year. hence ive stopped flying. sick of all the drone drama which has ruined our hobby.

[@joewoodchuck3824]

I thought a court ruled against FAA a while back on this. It found FAA didn't have the right to legislate by itself.

[@thegooddonut1]

Yet another great video. these videos are one of the best parts of my weeks. 👍👍👍😁😁😁

[@Coops777]

Some great points made but we have to realise that club flying starts with park flying. That is, new members have already experimented with the hobby on private property. My hope is that the FAA will turn a blind eye to a line of sight RC foam airplane flown without remote ID. I cannot see a single point in spending extra for a RID module for a harmless foamie flown on your own land. Stupidity reigns supreme. I hope one day they will make the distinction with camera drones. Thanks for talking on the subject 🙂

[@kwhp1507]

When the registration became law I stopped my ama membership and flite test membership. I was at the first flite fest and have not been back since. And I haven’t flown since then, but have been thinking about doing it again and not giving a single fuck to any law.

[@old-rcplane-phart]

I agree 1 billion percent! I bought my 1st rc car a while back. I'll go back to rc car racing BEFORE I 'comply'.

[@JeffinLowerAlabama]

Have a few flying videos using the PingRID remote ID. Using the PingRID on 50mm EDFs and larger planes it has not been a problem. I think it’s crazy but easy. Jeff in LA USA

[@dronepilot260rc]

So it was DJI that ruined it for us all 😢

[@A318cute]

Very nice editing!

[@ZealousRage]

As someone who started out in multirotor and moved to airplanes I can say that part of the problem was that the RC community watched multirotor get regulated to death, only to stand on the sidelines, do nothing, and say "good thing we're not one of them...". Meanwhile, the FAA put everyone in the same bucket and brought down the hammer

[@parodyverse]

If you take away strict rules then what is the peanut gallery suppose to do?

[@cnsrcandotherprojects4557]

I notice the timber stick in the vid. Wonder what that is about

[@dakistle]

This channel is my favorite on the subject

[@bartnuckols6615]

DJI is also an intelligence gathering source for the chicoms!

[@kurtzFPV]

That is pure BS. You don't think the Chinese already have high definition imagery of any place they are interested in? And if they were phoning home HD imagery, the bandwidth taken to do this would be easily detected. Satellites and cell phone cameras are infinitely more valuable in intelligence gathering, and people routinely carry cell phones around in all but the most high security spaces.

[@jeremiahjohnson3018]

I've been waiting all week for this!

[@swaybelly3212]

I will not comply.

[@E744763Productions]

"All AMA members are missing three fingers" LOL

[@TheCollabCurator]

7:13 AMA lost my membership forever after they failed to support us. It hurt my local club also because I can’t fly there without AMA membership, so they don’t get money either. 😢 Now I have much more freedom flying wherever I want (legally) and I don’t have to pay dues to two different clubs. 😂

[@weseehowcommiegoogleis3770]

I fly in accordance with FAA rules. Don't need no stinking rc club and the BS they bring.

[@queennidus2249]

The sad part is many will comply and blame others for the regulations being imposed.

[@breckfreeride]

The reason the safety argument doesnt make sense is because it's not the real reason for killing the hobby. The real reason is commercialization of the airspace. They should pay us for the theft!

[@distracted8950]

Well, i fly tpv drones and planes. Where would you draw the line between a 'model aircraft' and 'drones'? I would say my fpv drones are less troublesome than my more or less autonomous model planes, which can reach distances of 10km around me.

[@LLCebuRider]

This is exactly why I got out of the hobby. Sold most all of my planes, only have a few left.

[@abnurtharn2927]

Here in Europa I think the rules are, don´t fly over cities, stay away from airfields, military bases and other sensitive areas.

[@old-rcplane-phart]

DemoKKKraitcally KKKontrolled America isn't AS smart now. Hopefully that changes really soon!

[@hwinterr]

More people NEED to see this, I fly drones and Planes, and real planes, they are all so different and need different regulations for each use case.

[@TailHeavyProductions]

RC planes *are* real planes, though...

[@Dingleberriesalad]

The random jokes you toss in are amazing. I've laughed out loud so many times now.

[@manchildrc]

It boils down to the fact that if legislaters have nothing to legislate, they have no job. So anything that can be sensationalized to legitimize a regulation will be. Thanks Merica!

[@operaswift8623]

Video tip for the future: "what your flying field says about you as a pilot." Basically in a meme way portray the people flying twin 90 edf Jets from public roads and not being able to land because of traffic up to people flying from full scale runways just to do one flight with their 1:2.5 scale L39 and never bring it ever again

[@billieguitar]

Brooo this vid turned out kinda heavy like emotional id pay full lenght movie ticket price to rewatch this on imax

[@michaellowe3665]

It became a problem when they started carrying cameras that could record corrupt behavior.

[@Mobius118]

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[@BBFPV]

The problem is again that governments are getting dumber and bolder, greetings from Germany.

[@OregunAdventure]

I’ve been going back and forth via email this morning with the FAA. They can not provide any information stating the word RC Helicopter on their website. It doesn’t exist. What they have done is change the definition of an object. This is unreal and needs to be changed. If RC airplane or RC helicopter is not specifically defined, how can they regulate?

[@JoseArrom]

Helicopters are rotorcraft. The definitions are based on legislation. You need to talk to members of the Senate/House aviation committees. They're mostly concerned with big aviation issues.

[@weseehowcommiegoogleis3770]

It's ALL under a Blanket called UAS. Ever been to the FAA web sites and get to the regulation of our toys? UAS is used to describe ALL of them Legally.