Why Formula E Drivers are SO AGGRESSIVE!

Formula E races are mad, and the drivers are SUPER aggressive. In one race this year there were 190 overtakes - there are huge lunges, loads of wheel banging and lap long battles.
But what makes it possible to overtake so much, and why are the drivers SO aggressive?
Formula E is now on its 3rd generation of car. They have about 470 BHP, that’s about half of F1, but with significantly less downforce and drag than an F1 car, they can still get up to 200 mph. And for a car that runs on treaded tyres, that’s a lot.
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[@R2debo_]

the proper real old school racing in modern world without sound.

[@Szergej33]

there is a good bit of exciting racing for sure, but nothing proper old school about trying to hang in P4-P6 for most of the race, trying very hard not to be the leader.

[@bonelesswatermelon420]

This exact comment was written by vrajpatel2763 2 mins before you

[@bonelesswatermelon420]

Either a bot or a desperately uncreative "creator"

[@NetherPrime]

without sound? the high pitch noise they make is pretty loud.

[@mondodimotori]

@@Szergej33 Old school racing was never about pushing 100% on every lap of the race. Even then it was about strategy and being smart to win.

[@ajejebrazov2]

Just some details about telemetry: drivers can see data on their steering wheel displays and can communicate them via radio to the engineers. But the radio comms are open, so not a great idea to publicly tell your data, so drivers limit the comms and use cipher codes. Btw that's the reason the displays are pixeled in the pov cameras: to avoid engineers can read them from tv

[@guybeingaguy]

I’m a retired Motorola radio tech. I could configure the drivers normal push to talk button in such a way to double click it and it switches to a different Chanel/freq and do a quick data dump. Single click back to Chanel 1 and voice. The button and radio are the normal stuff and would never even be considered manipulated in any way by officials.

[@burgir9985]

@@guybeingaguy yeah but that would defeat the purpose, its not like the teams couldnt figure out a way to have seperate channels its that they aren't allow to for competition's sake

[@SuperGenericUser]

@@guybeingaguy And any software engineer with even the slightest experience could write an encryption scheme for comms so nobody could listen in but there's this pesky thing called rules...

[@guybeingaguy]

@@SuperGenericUser Oh agreed 💯 Encryption is just obvious, no reason needed, so we gotta make the rule.👍 My system, I think I could pass tech inspection every time is all I’m saying. The reason for the second freq/channel is because the officials don’t even know it exists to monitor, and even if they did, identifying you as the transmitter would be difficult. It’s a 1 second data burst, could be anything at a busy track. Disclaimer: I don’t know all the specific rules just thinking outside the box.

[@SuperGenericUser]

@@guybeingaguy The rule in F1 is the team gets 1 freq per car, I don't see why it would be different here. If the teams had access to multiple frequencies everyone would just have frequency hopping systems.

[@nbomb2474]

Actually FE ran a race on a track just recently, on Portland International Raceway, and it set a new record for overtakes, with over 400 overtakes on the track.

[@AdiBacea]

yeah, they have 2-3 tracks which are permanent

[@joshuawhelan9358]

Which I think confirms how stupid it is that street circuits are becoming more prevalent because they typically produce worse racing, no matter the series

[@GrenYT]

I live in Portland and was really hoping they'd make it a street race to watch the chaos in my city lol

[@nbomb2474]

@GrenYT I'm scared of what would happen on the streets lol. I was at the race and it was fun either way.

[@maxb4085]

​@@joshuawhelan9358I think FE makes street racing work. I do wish they went to more traditional street tracks like Long Beach, Singapore, Toronto, St Petersberg, and any Aussie Supercar street track rather than building their own ones. I do think a few good tracks for FE would be places like Donington, Laguna Seca, Barber, maybe even Nurburgring but using the shorter layout. I know there are probably plenty more but my knowledge of tracks is quite limited outside of the major championships.

[@laletemanolete]

Damn, I didn't know FE teams relied on the TV broadcast to know how much energy there is left in the car!!!!

[@lewis8552]

The driver has the data on their car so they relay it back to the engineers, often in a coded way. Everyone is in the dark on everyone else's energy until its shown on TV though

[@Reydriel]

They rely on the broadcast to know the OTHER driver's energy levels, of course they'll know their own lol

[@BRNOOB_]

​@@Reydrielthanks, I was confused

[@soundscape26]

As someone who doesn't know much about Formula E I greatly enjoyed this video. Thanks!

[@markuss4133]

No need to look further into it. It got better, but is still lame

[@escos0410]

I think if they where allowed to produce there own car like f1 with regs I think they would be interesting Must be the next step for it to evolve more

[@fairsaa7975]

@@escos0410 The fans of FE, probably enjoy the championship battles that are able to occur, so I doubt it

[@FroskenFritjoff]

This tells you as much about FE as an car commercial tells you about a car. It's glossed over and manipulative, and in this case the product is still utter garbage.

[@fairsaa7975]

@@FroskenFritjoff Considering the fact that it's been going for over a decade, seems like it's fine to me. Who knows, perhaps it's your own F1 prejudice or something unimaginable like that informing your opinions.

[@Scott_Graham]

I went to the race in Portland this year. First time FE has raced on a permanent road course. So many overtakes. It was fantastic.

[@jebus456]

Yes that was a great race! also nice watching in a decent timezone lol

[@Smoked_Cheddar]

I was there too! It was a lot of fun!

[@lightningbot85]

I'm so annoyed they moved it from NYC, the portland race looks awesome but this was going to be the year I saw a race! Hopefully I'll get over to Portland at some point to see it.

[@mountain6215]

I thought it was the 4th time FE has raced on a permanent track bc they've ran at Puebla, Mexico City, & Valencia

[@Scott_Graham]

@@mountain6215 those are street circuits. Portland is a stand alone race track.

[@shianeruu4359]

I'm finally coming back to Formula E now that fan boost is gone. Hopefully they can develop the car enough for them to race in proper race circuits

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

I'd be even willing to settle for a 65:35 street:perm circuit mix. Since even F1 seems to be making every new circuit introduced a street circuit. Mostly though I hope for tyres that are faster and for them to be able to use the full 800hp at least in qualiy.

[@Leynad778]

Fanboost was just a Gimmick to persuade driver to do more marketing for themself and so FE. I doubt it ever had an impact on the results. While the performance differences in F1 on the other hand...

[@ConvincedIdiot]

I hated fan boost, didnt come back till it was gone. However! I really like the city circuits; I would hate to see them go away. Instead, I would just like to see a couple of larger tracks added. Once the energy density is high enough to support it, places like Spa or Paul Ricard would be fun.

[@sidharthcs2110]

And power steering

[@markuss4133]

It's still not real racing.i also gave it another crack, but I am still disappointed.

[@dustinabigan2776]

Feels like the driver aggressiveness pretty much boils down to the energy part and how limited the energy of all the cars actually is. That pretty much means you can't spend too much time behind another driver, especially when the main way you can make use of said energy is both overtaking at the right time then crossing the line with the bear minimum energy needed so that you don't get disqualified. It's going to be interesting to see how FE racing plays out once energy density in batteries increases and the sport considers mid-race recharging.

[@JPizzy986]

I feel like a mid race battery replacement would be much more realistic as even recharging at a ridiculous rate it would still take far more time than a traditional pit stop.

[@PetrolHeadMotorsport]

​@@JPizzy986Yeah, I mean they can change brakes at Le Mans in a fairly reasonable amount of time so it wouldn't surprise me if they find a way to quickly detach and reattach the battery

[@Boucle]

@@JPizzy986 your idea could be very relevant when coupled with batteries with different capacities/power. So a battery with limited capacity would be more powerful but less endurant similar to softs and a battery very capacitive but less powerful like hards 🤔

[@SegFaultOnLine1984]

​@@BoucleI don't think it would be about more or less power but instead about weight.

[@spai492]

They could add a small capacitor based battery. Box, connect for a quick charge, release. They aren't high power but can quickly charge and discharge. Maybe adds 10% charge and will be like refueling.

[@willouxdu9331]

1:56 Nah, bro just wanted to kill the competition

[@Dolek135]

@@theterriblepuddle1830 It was not. Only ended up getting a 10-place grid penalty for the following race. Bearing the Prost name certainly helped him out.

[@1barnet1]

@@Dolek135 Seriously, alright not worth watching that league then. That was not racing. That was attempted murder.

[@DownForceSimRacing]

Suprised this is the only comment that says this. Buddy tried to banish him to the shadow realm

[@toxicch.6739]

I feel like a lot of fe critics dont understand that fe is closer to tintop racing than it is open wheelers. Aside from the obvious fact that they have no cockpit, the general rigidity of the cars makes it easier and safer to go side-by-side without risking as much damage, making moves you'd expect to see in GT, touring cars, etc.

[@theinnercircle9571]

The overtakes and defending reminds me of online races in F1 games 😂

[@armathyx]

This along with NASCAR changes (dirt roads, different tracks) is a good direction for racing. A bit of unpredictability makes it so much more fun to watch than F1 races where it's always the same car brands and drivers winning.

[@goldenfalcon6702]

So…watching cars drive in a oval is more fun than f1?????

[@1336Studios]

@@goldenfalcon6702 they race on circuits and street tracks too

[@troygillum5]

@@goldenfalcon6702 it's the unpredictability of the racing, the type of circuit is irrelevant

[@goldenfalcon6702]

@@troygillum5 ok, but in my opinion even if each race has a different winner and it’s unpredictable I still don’t find driving in an oval fun to watch.

[@Staggs2200]

​@@goldenfalcon6702yes oval racing is a lot of fun to watch

[@mgsPWlover]

This is the best argument I've heard for getting into Formula E for fans of other motorsports

[@miguelpereira9859]

@@shama-llamading-dong5370As a cycling fan this peloton dynamic in a motorsport is very intriguing to me LOL

[@turboothe1st]

The Formula E Races I spotted in this video: 2022 NYC E-Prix 2016 London E-Prix 2023 Berlin E-Prix 2023 Diriyah E-Prix 2023 Jakarta E-Prix 2019 Santiago E-Prix 2016 Punta del Este E-Prix 2015 Monaco E-Prix Circuit Layouts at 1:03 are for: 2020 Mexico City E-Prix / TOP LEFT 2015-2023 Berlin E-Prix / TOP RIGHT 2019-2020 Santiago E-Prix / BOTTOM LEFT 2021-2023 London E-Prix / BOTTOM RIGHT Let's keep going 1:10 Track map of the circuit in the 2023 Cape Town E-Prix 2021 Diriyah E-Prix 2021 London E-Prix 2023 Rome E-Prix 2021 Berlin E-Prix 2014 (in the 2015 season) Beijing E-Prix 2023 Hyderabad E-Prix 2023 Mexico City E-Prix 2023 Cape Town E-Prix 2023 Monaco E-Prix 2022 Berlin E-Prix 2022 Diriyah E-Prix 2017 (in the 2018 season) Hong Kong E-Prix 2016 Mexico City E-Prix 2019 Marrakesh E-Prix 2020 Reverse Berlin E-Prix 2023 Portland E-Prix

[@g3n3ralkim23]

If you want to finish in 1st, you have to finish first.

[@umungus518]

Will Buxton is that you?

[@bipolarminddroppings]

Omg. You both got it wrong. Its: To finish first. You must first finish.

[@vrajpatel2763]

the proper real old school racing in modern world without sound

[@rue6914]

I love the sound of the electric motors. sounds like a sci-fi movie!

[@karelpgbr]

I love how “old DTM” Formula E is, it’s so cool to watch and I want to see one of the races live

[@WungoBungo]

Best advertisement for Formula E I’ve ever seen!

[@Macedonia914]

The lack of data for the engineers/team really is a game changer and makes this series amazing. It would be really cool to see f1 take a similar approach to sensors. That is a true way to make racing more exciting.

[@DanielThe27th]

I definitely see where you’re coming from, their are plenty of smaller aspects I think different categories could borrow from each other, but as far as data, I think that’s a staple of F1 and I think it should stay. Every series has its own uniqueness, and I’m really keen to keep that. Just my thoughts!

[@mateagoston8145]

F1 battles could be very unpredictable if the hybrid system would work the same way LMP1 hybrid systems used to work around a decade ago: loads of power suddenly released by the driver by pressing a button.

[@JustSomeDinosaurPerson]

@@mateagoston8145 That is how it works.

[@nerd_nato564]

​@@DanielThe27thAgreed. A lot of people seem to want F1 to feature more racing and less engineering, but in my opinion the engineering is the truly interesting part of F1, it's what sets it apart from other motorsports. The competition between constructors, watching the cars change over the seasons, or which cars are better in which circuits, that's the best part of F1.

[@Andy__0]

It's important to note also that as the cars are very similar in terms of performance, you cannot rely on the superior performance of your car eventually giving you an overtake. The right overtake or defence at the right time is very important. The number of overtakes is mostly due to the low downforce allowing close following, similarity in car performance, and strategy that doesn’t allow you to lead from the front for the whole race and in Gen3 specifically encourages you to sit in the pack for a while.

[@jedlin1256]

Generally they changed design of front of gen 3 cars, because gen 2 closed-wheel design encouraged touring-cars-style battles way too much

[@MrKelsomatic]

I unexpectedly saw the FE race in Portland this year with some surprise free tickets. I knew almost nothing going in but DAMN, they were aggressive and there were so many overtakes. I didn’t love everything about it but it was incredible to watch the battles.

[@swecreations]

I'm interested in knowing what part of it that you didn't love?

[@MrKelsomatic]

@@swecreations As an F1 fan mostly duration and the lack of tire changes. I missed quali due to work, which I think would’ve helped me enjoy it a bit more.

[@swecreations]

@@MrKelsomatic Okay thanks, good to know!

[@ChaseWatkins.]

Gives me some new perspective, didn’t know this stuff

[@PatrickPaul1203]

0:40 just want to note, they have started doing race tracks. That was earlier this year the had a race at PIR that I got to attend. Great experience, but I felt the race wasn’t as exciting as the street courses. But they did set the fastest speed for a Formal E car while they were there. Got to see the cars fairly close when they came in and out as well.

[@tethys8113]

I've said before, one of the things I love about FE is that it's the only open-wheel series where the drivers race like it's BTCC

[@adityaram1101]

Because it is slow on slow street tracks😊

[@sarah_knig]

Great video, especially the part about attack mode was really nicely explained!

[@Erik_The_Viking]

Great overview! I don't know much about Formula E, so this was very helpful!

[@Frostfly]

A few mistakes. They have races on permanent circuits, not just street circuits. I was at the Portland Race this year. Second, Attack mode total time can change per race, and the teams are allowed to decided how large their increments area.

[@Shaun.Stephens]

Yeah, looked to see if anyone else mentioned this. It doesn't inspire me to watch more content from this creator.

[@omarkishli2094]

They raced in Portland as a temporary way of having a US race after the New York E-Prix wasn’t included this year due to construction works happening in its area, and they’ll have another race there next year but they’re looking for a city where they can host a normal street circuit for the future in case the NY E-Prix doesn’t return. The concept of this line of motor sports is to race over street circuits not permanent tracks, adding permanent tracks would require a change in the car regulations and especially in the tires and their material and build up

[@omarkishli2094]

@@Shaun.Stephensoh I’m sure he’ll be utterly devastated 🤣

[@kencube86]

They raced in Mexico City for years. They use a shorter layout specially designed for Formula E but the track is permanent.

[@Shaun.Stephens]

@@omarkishli2094 Mexico? They raced at the Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez, the same place that F1 race if I'm not mistaken. That's two non-street tracks this year which makes this creator's statement untrue. Concepts or not.

[@OzzyCPT]

Attack mode always reminded me of those boost pads in Mario Kart 😄

[@weyounfive]

At least JEV actually had the Starman light up on his steering wheel when he activated attack mode 😆

[@CSXIV]

I think the founder of FE admitted that was his inspiration. And since we're on the topic: one car company (I want to say Toyota) floated the idea of wireless street charging (ie: installing QC chargers on roads to allow electric cars to charge while driving). I don't think this is a viable technology, but how much you want to bet that if it becomes even semi-usable, FE will attempt to make F-Zero eske recharge zones?

[@JorisGriffioen]

They should add banana peels.

[@coopertheredmane5503]

I can't take this sport seriously while it looks like some kind of Mario Cart irl Mr. Beast video

[@salamipitza]

when you can't generate excitement with incredible engine noise you have to find it somewhere else

[@spamandsazon]

Scott convinced me I should be watching FE. Great video!

[@Backpfeifengesicht45]

Was at the Berlin e Prix this year. Brilliant racing with more action in 5 laps than 2 Grand Prix's. Also saw Scott there where he the PR person was trying to chat him up.

[@recarsion]

Attack mode reminds me a little bit of joker laps in touring cars or rallycross. A bit of time loss initially but can be deployed strategically at the right moment.

[@hendrikj8448]

Its been so long that Ive seen a video on YT that actually talks about the title and ends with a neat little bow that it kinda threw me off. Well done, well written

[@oppenz3723]

"fewer things can surprise f1 teams" Ferrari clearly didn't get the memo.

[@christiang6960]

1:54 Prost against Heidfeld was not only aggressive, but also a completely intentional takeout that could have ended very badly.

[@luciustarquiniuspriscus1408]

It looks more like a circus to me than a sport.

[@iloveaviation-burgerclub-a8145]

Best at FE is that they don't change rules within season because one top rated team does not compete as they like to. Racing street courses is mad and extremely challenging. Doing this with low downforce makes you bite more and this results in a much more aggressive driving style. Everyone having a street section where he was chasing time regularly to improve back then trying to take it 10years later at same pace will suddenly stop it because he recognizes that the course changed. Bumps appear that weren't there, known bumps are gone and some you forgot. Same here. You need to work with tons of more info. Good sport.

[@lewis8552]

Great video. Always felt FE was pretty old school in the way they raced. Its a very raw series. I think its got a lot for motorsport fans to enjoy but prior to gen 3 the lack of speed and the fanboost made it a bit off putting for some. Now that the cars are faster and they've ditched the fanboost hopefully we see more motorsport fans give it a chance. Just seems like the next step is to get more permanent circuits on the calendar.

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

The problem is not so much that, but how patronizing Formula E is in a sense, which makes it as boring to watch as F1 these days.

[@deus_ex_machina_]

@@BrunodeSouzaLino Patronizing? Please elaborate.

[@slap_k_man1862]

Would be nice to have a video with you and brakef1 his past f1 track side experience with your driving experience would be a cool in depth video

[@firstlastfool]

great video man

[@cikame]

I love attack mode for the same reason i like joker laps in rallycross, a race track is a very static thing, besides rubbering in and rain it doesn't change at all for the duration of the race, but a joker lap is there to mix things up and add variety, it's also another strategic decision for the drivers and race fans love analysing strategy. It's impossible to implement a joker lap on most circuits and it's very dangerous to have open wheel cars leave and rejoin the pack, also having a required slow drive through the pit lane would be boring, so this brief venture off the racing line for a speed boost reward is the next best thing, it adds strategy and like a poorly timed pit stop it's possible to hit it at the wrong time, one simple addition which really mixes up the racing.

[@Scoots1994]

When we got rid of manual transmissions and cast iron brakes we reduced the frequency and the size of the driver errors in F1 and by doing it reduced the chances of a surprise. Removing refueling reduced the strategy options too.

[@Dunky80]

Formula one was better without refuelling in the 80s and early 90s. Overtaking went downhill when they reintroduced refuelling in 1994.

[@Scoots1994]

@@Dunky80 if that was all that changed in the rules it would mean more.

[@ezeokekeprosper6207]

I would love you to make a video on how attack mode works

[@uccidere1939]

Looks more like a realistic version of F-Zero with how aggressive the drivers are. Kinda makes it fascinating to watch.

[@mrmidnight32]

No the aggressiveness and this entire series is because every race is a sprint race because they can’t hold energy for a full race.

[@ragerancher]

I find it funny how Formula E appears to have many of the things people complain F1 lacks and yet F1 viewers won't watch Formula E. I hope, if F1 ever does go fully electric, they keep a distinction in style between race circuit F1 type racing and FE racing.

[@Olivyay]

It's because it also has a lot of things fans of single-seater racing don't want to see.

[@Xerxes1337]

F1 fans often don't realise there's a lot of other exciting motorsports out there. They just want F1 to be how they want

[@coopertheredmane5503]

​@@Xerxes1337not true, many F1 fans enjoy other kinds of European racing, even completely different types, like rally and endurance

[@nspill327]

Cheap tickets are also a plus 😅 I had an amazing time last year in New York and it didn’t cost much!

[@jobian1279]

nice video and explination!

[@dredrev]

So what button do they push on the steering wheel to throw turlte shells at the other drivers?

[@BhuvanTeja98]

as a long time formula e fan (since season 1), i agree with every point in here. adding to that, unlike formula 1, the regulations do not allow major changes to the cars, making all the cars more or less on a similar level which keeps the racing very close and exciting for everyone. i got the opportunity to watch the race when it happened in Hyderabad this year and it was very fun to watch with all the tire slips and overtakes near my stand...

[@matthy31]

I just watched the saturday London Race today. Never did I think it would be that great. I'll be watching in future!

[@JarrettDorough]

Wasn't a fan the first time around due to the fan boost bit but the tech and the racing was enjoyable. Maybe I'll have to give it a shot again

[@markwallace1727]

I did enjoy FE, it was a good spectacle and improved over time. They were willing to try things, and tweak the series based on what worked & what didn't. I can see why they used fan boost, they really wanted to up the fan engagement of a new series. But I'm glad they got rid of it once they had a fan base that didn't need an extra gimmick to feel an attachment. I wish the gen3 cars weren't just an improvement in the car, but looked better too. Gen2 looked better than gen3 to me, but that's taste and not a real issue. My only real disappointment in FE was when they decided to switch who they broadcast on. All the sport (and motorsport especially) that I watch was on one service. But they switched over to a lesser widespread provider that I wasn't interested in. I'm one of those people that isn't going to sign up to yet another service & pay even more just to watch this one sport. Unfortunately that means I haven't watched FE since, and I miss it.

[@nuclearxironite6440]

They stream it on KZbin usually don't they? Or is that just for the UK?

[@markwallace1727]

@@nuclearxironite6440 Thanks, but sadly they don't anymore in Australia. They did when it first started (or did somewhere) & that's how I watched. But once they got onto a broadcaster, that got shut down. Might have to try and get myself a VPN that doesn't get picked up by streaming services and blocked. Cheers for the idea.👍

[@jebus456]

Yes more FE content!!

[@TrevorDennis100]

You took me back to my motorcycling days. My degree of commitment was directly proportional to what you were going to hit if it went pear shaped. Ironically, on track days I was more worried about the cost of fixing the bike if I crashed, than I was about hurting myself.

[@Denes2005]

Formula e runs only on street circuits Mexico, portland, valencia and puebla: am i joke to you?

[@leovomend8789]

the way you explain formula E makes it seem like any formula E driver could kill it in F1, but alas...

[@jebus456]

They are so different though... other than the fact that each use an open wheel vehicle and they share some city circuits.

[@thorstenfinke2751]

@@jebus456 indeed. Italian Jesus for example did not do well in Forumula E

[@Marc-zi4vg]

about the De Vries, even in his Formula E career that guy is a dirty driving terror even amongst the more "adventurous" drivers of the series

[@ChefBourgeoisie]

FE has been the best series this year almost every race has kept me paying attention through the whole race with all the overtakes and action

[@ForzaPolska06]

I might start to watch that series if they improve the TV direction It's horrifying, they can't even show a replay of an overtake for the lead they missed

[@isaacfortner]

This year's only US race in Portland, OR was at Portland International Raceway, not a street course. It was a really interesting race to watch in person!

[@ATTACKofthe6STRINGS]

I’ve heard so much clowning about formula E when it was being first marketed, and I’ve heard almost nothing but praise for how dynamic it is since it established itself.

[@andyfry745]

It’s not bud…slow and boring comes to mind after watching motor sport all my life I think it should be banned…

[@mehashi]

Aside from some chatter around 5 years ago I havent heard anyone talk bout Formula E until that dumbass eco protestor just recently. Our group watch F1, Rally, GT, Stadium super trucks etc etc. We should be the target audience. Lack of engine noise, and all the gimmicky rules are a huge turn off. Just give them a car and let them fight it out, no interference.

[@Bigchicity1]

What sort of networking equipment is on F1 cars in order to send such a large amount of data wirelessly? Or is a good chunk of it just stored on board for later analysis?

[@bltzcstrnx]

Telemetries are highly compressible data. You could probably reduce the size a lot for transmission and storage. For equipment, I saw articles talking about Qualcomm 5G and Wifi 6 being used.

[@erikr968]

Overtaking is not really "aggressive" when it's just one driver deciding not to lift and coast for a corner while everyone else are saving energy.

[@digitalmaxism]

I see you haven't watched the video.

[@zknarc]

I mean, if I got an international level pro drive and it was racing one of these I'd probably be pretty mad

[@Juanthar]

I suppose a big deal is also the regulations on bumping? From the clips it seems that bumping is legal whereas in f1 you'll get penalised to the point where it's often not worth the risky overtake

[@johnbenoy7532]

Slight contact between drivers is not heavily penalised, mainly because it doesn't damage the cars. But there are penalties for heavy/reckless overtakes

[@andyhug90]

Not allowing sensors seems counterproductive to car developement..

[@philliplopez8745]

Torque is acceleration. The torque profile of an electric motor is much different then that of a combustion engine .

[@formulacat69420]

thats why i enjoy formula e so much its a bit less than an hour packed with an insane amount of action

[@Macho_Fantastico]

I love Formula E, I really think the latest gen cars have taken it to another level. Some might not take it seriously, but it comfortably produces the best racing in motorsport these days. It can feel like a destruction derby race at times, but that's what makes it so much fun to watch. F1 could learn a lot from Formula E.

[@bongwaterbojack]

best racing in Motorsports? You can't be serious.

[@omarawad6353]

1:56 attempting murder

[@JohnCharb87]

I felt the same way about Fan Boost. It was kind of pointless. Especially if your voted driver was barely in contention. Yeah IMSA's Mazda MX-5 series are really close and competitive. I remember a race where someone you started in last place finished in first.

[@robertsweeney3224]

Love the channel! I'm not a formula e fan, though. As soon as the fan boost and offline boost came into play. There can be only one Mario kart

[@FokkerBoombass]

People are so afraid of EV batteries, the fires and all, meanwhile Formula E is still going strong and it's still absolutely bonkers. And no news of unextinguishable fires melting through streets or whatever.

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

I'm more concerned with natural resources than that, as batteries in general cannot be recycled, so that's more eWaste and chemical waste in the bin.

[@jrcowboy1099]

@@BrunodeSouzaLino They absolutely can and are heavily and almost always recycled; you should look it up. That being said, the lithium mining process is quite polluting so I hear, so adding new batteries is non-trivially toxic to the environment.

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

@@jrcowboy1099 Sure. Except the recycling has a yield of up to 2%, which is as much recycling as companies that ship products in eco friendly packaging but they're wrapped in plastic inside the box.

[@5Komma5]

No more fan boost and car swaps, nice! Still don't know why I would watch this with WEC, EU LMS, NLS, DTM and many other series featuring relatable cars and drivers. I do agree about modern race tracks. They all go in the wrong direction with their endless runoff areas.

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

FE is clear of DTM this season ngl. Honestly I'd say it's even better than NLS, WEC and ELMS, is another kettle of fish though.

[@Leynad778]

Because Endurance racing is f-ing boring other than the 24h Nürburgring and with DTM you rarely see any overtakes and the cars are so planted, they look slower than the Tourenwagen Classics cars. GT3 is way too easy to drive nowadays.

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

@@Leynad778 Hard disagree. WEC and IMSA battles well clear of DTM and F1 rn. Not only are their on track battles for even the lead of classes, the strategy also has a bigger impact than F1 with the bullet proof tyres.

[@bocahdongo7769]

​@Leynad778 2023 WEC is legit good tho

[@weyounfive]

Well, many FE drivers race in WEC too

[@robertvanderlinden2813]

can you talk about lawnmower racing nex it is a grueling 12-hour endurance race in Five Oaks, England and many other places

[@manvendrajs3456]

I think Formula E is still very young and with improvements in electricity storage tech, accompanied by other aspects things might not remain the way it is now. Anyway nice to know something about Formula E.

[@Matze96DAK]

I say it's the RGB-Stripes, that make them willing to overtake so often.

[@Flat_6]

I think both Formula E and IndyCar allow for much closer and better racing then F1 does. IndyCar has refueling, two sets of tires, spec chassis and engines with less aerodynamic downforce then F1 cars. And the cars can take more abuse, as long as you’re not breaking suspension components. Alex Palou finished 2nd in Toronto in IndyCar with his front wing falling off for his entire last stint.

[@Leynad778]

Indycar is also insane regarding steering torque and drivers often finish with bloody blisters under their gloves. F1 with it's power-steering is Kindergarten in comparison.

[@harveyknguyen]

​@@Leynad778eh maybe not because the Gs on the neck are still pretty brutal but yeah the lack of power steering really does keep the Indycar grid close

[@Leynad778]

@@harveyknguyen The G's are certainly higher in F1, but I guess they lean on their side protectors during corners and their Hans-system is holding most of the weight while braking, but not sure how much it really is. No episode on that topic on this channel already?

[@harveyknguyen]

@@Leynad778 maybe it's more of a visibility thing since Herta and Pato have mentioned that their heads were shifted so much inside their helmet that they could only barely see corner exits that being said between the two the lack of power steering is a bigger turnoff when you look at Hulkenberg and de Vries' Indycar tests and that they both concluded that the cars were "steering monsters"

[@Leynad778]

@@harveyknguyen Yeah, Hulk sounded like "only over my dead body I'm driving Indycar again"😄

[@muhammadarif-oc1mf]

1:55 that was personal

[@alecklaucarlhamn8829]

5:49 "There is no doubt that racing in Formula E is more robust" He just is to afraid to get cancelled if he said fun or better instead of a more carefull word such as "robust"

[@Mizuno6857]

I think it's so aggressive because it's in it's adolescent stage and drivers are hungry. Also, they all drive the same car, so you don't have a natural pecking order.

[@shogun2215]

If people give Formula E a chance, they'll realise that it is genuinely so much better than Formula 1. The racing is closer, more competitive, the drivers push much harder, and the cars are surprisingly loud for electric vehicles, and they're only getting better.

[@appellemoimoi]

Yes it's racing is better. But F1 as a whole is a gem. Better cars, tech and engineers in turn top notch drivers and when it's a close season, it's the BEST sport ref 2021, 2022 before Ferrari shat the bed and 2023 minus Redbull

[@squidcaps4308]

Nope... The tracks in FormulaE mostly just suck. Tracks have gotten better but that is really not that much a praise; they used to be incredible stinkers in the past. But they still are too tight. I want them to have at least 1/3rd purpose built race tracks, the rest can be street tracks. I also would not mind one or two small ovals...

[@AleksiCT]

So u have never watched F1 ?????????

[@shogun2215]

@@appellemoimoi No it isn't. We've had 12 years of the same teams dominating every single season. The cars aren't better, they're more complex. They sound like shit, yes you have excellent drivers but so does Formula E. And I'm sorry, but if you're using 2021, the year the FIA decided the championship by breaking their own rules, as proof F1 is superior then you've lost the argument already.

[@rue6914]

Too bad FE is literally unwatchable without extensive shortcuts

[@elim02]

0:47 Thank you for making that clear, I really couldn’t tell.

[@huepix]

They need to do a recharge or battery replace. I kinda like the idea of 15 min pit stops. Cuppa tea, cigarette, quick interview ."back to 80% bud, that'll get you to the end".

[@captainhellhound7451]

Recharge will take to long (recharging fast is inherently dangerous due to how much heat is created) and replacing a battery is too dangerous due to the amount of static electricity.

[@tomnola7204]

Love Formula E racing !

[@dy7296]

Funny how Formula E(lectric) that is supposed to have future of motorsport vibes had brought out brute force racing Which is definitely planned. Like how the ban of use of data inputs & having a spec (all the same) chassis, largely brings down the total budget of the event, and being mostly street racing, makes it easier for 3rd world countries or countries not well known for a race track to hop in the game. And yeah, the unpredictability given fromm the racecraft, had them proving enough that sound isn't the only problem in modern f1.

[@skojuzija]

That seems kinda harsh that teams cant put sensors in cars to analise. And also its dumb that race engineers need to watch the race on TV to see how much they have battery left🙈

[@Struggle.Snuggles]

Been watching Formula E since day one and I can honestly say its a hundred times more entertaining and engaging then F1 is. Yes, the lack of a combustible motor is somewhat lackluster, but the series makes up with lots of challenges and passing, the fact that you never know who is gonna be a WDC says it all. Also, FE only has one two time WDC, which shows how rare it is

[@MJY5drives]

I bet if Formula e cars had engines people would accept the sport and see how good it really is. So many racing fans I know don't care for it purely because it's electric.

[@bipolarminddroppings]

Its the boring bit where they are just save energy for the sprint race at the end that makes me not take it seriously. I would rather they just made the races shorter and everybody went hell for leather for the entire race. That I would take seriously. And that would catch the eye of the people who dont like electric cars for racing...

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

The problem with Formula E is that in practice EVs cause about the same amount of environmetal impact F1 cars do, which means the whole patronizing angle about the environment is hypocrisy at best. Then you have all the half baked mechanics like Attack Mode, which is essentially Indy's Push to Pass but with DRS Mechanics and disavantages of both. EV based races would be way more interesting if they focused on the racing instead of all this other stuff no one cares about, especially when it's not true.

[@Tango-delta89]

Keep on keepin on

[@amin7581]

As a racing fan, Formula E is one of the best open wheel racing series in my list after indycar, the top in my list. (SuperFormula and F2 is 3rd then F3). As someone who likes car, these car are very impressive that they can go 300+kmh with summer tyres.

[@kevinmithnick9993]

It's called competition

[@briantang6440]

Imagine if f1 is being ran by 24 identical cars🤔 oh wait its called f2 f3 and every other open wheel spec series

[@tomwallach]

​@@briantang6440the cars are not identical. The most important part of a car, the drivetrain, is developed by every manufacturer.

[@soupchicken1313]

so sad that formula E isn't on f1tv

[@weyounfive]

shouldn't be surprising since fe has nothing to do with f1

[@soupchicken1313]

@@weyounfive yeah but the prosche super cup is also on f1tv

[@weyounfive]

@@soupchicken1313 well, porsche supercup is a f1 support series, so that makes sense

[@FirestormX9]

I think someday we will surely see a live action Mario Kart racing with Star Wars like vehicles. Complete with fan boost and such engagements

[@coopertheredmane5503]

Unfortunately, whoever is in charge, doesn't want people to take this sport seriously

[@Superfluous.]

Formula E stands for Expensive bumper cars.

[@mysticrabbit_05]

Me realizing formula e is better than f1 this year 😭 (But fair play to the FIA for creating formula E )

[@jebus456]

I came to this realization after the first three or so F1 races this year. What a time to be alive!

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

Up until the last race, it was looking to be the best title fight FE has ever had, one of the best I have seen in Formula since 2012 and then Evans ushered Cassidy into the run off. It's gonna be a difficult fight back for them now.

[@mysticrabbit_05]

@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks it’s so close I can’t wait to see how they do in London

[@RogerM88]

As Ayrton Senna once said: “If you no longer go for a gap that exists, you're no longer a Racing Driver.”

[@literallyhuman5990]

That goes to my local illegal bike race. 4 wide between 2 semi truck. They really see the gap there

[@GeneBennett]

I worked the Portland race, and they were just as aggressive on a real track. I was in Turn 2 and they were simultaneously more aggressive and better behaved through the Festival Curves than Indycar drivers are.

[@SubversionGarage]

Drivers are aggressive because they are angry about having to drive electric cars 😂

[@adamplace1414]

On the spectrum between "sport" and "show", FE trends too far into the spectacle for my taste, but once they mature out of the goofy fan service stage, it could get big enough to be self sustaining (instead of the high profile tax write off it is today.)

[@tomwallach]

What part of FE would you consider to much show? The only thing that comes to my mind would be attack mode, but that is more fair than the DRS in F1 because the power up in FE is equal for each driver.

[@jebus456]

With Gen 3 and beyond and the new rules, I think FE has already matured into a proper racing sport.