Why Fozzy's First Wrexham Training Session Was A Nightmare...

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Fozcast - The Ben Foster Podcast

Fozcast - The Ben Foster Podcast

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@flytronica
@flytronica Жыл бұрын
Ed Sheeran’s a fan, and has been a shirt sponsor, not quite the same as owning the club lads 😉
@lewisT77
@lewisT77 Жыл бұрын
Yes exactly what I was going to say completely different.
@Lorenzo-te7ox
@Lorenzo-te7ox Жыл бұрын
Shame Ed's a Bradford fan ;)
@alexebanks1525
@alexebanks1525 Жыл бұрын
What a guy, stopped fozzy yesterday in Stratford for a pic and he was brilliant about it. The smile on his face when I asked him a couple of questions was brilliant, hope to see you back between the stick next season.
@danielbruce3557
@danielbruce3557 Жыл бұрын
Ed's a shirt sponsor, not our owner. He's obviously made a bigger impact than expected as a shirt sponsor for the last few seasons, not an owner for the past 6/7 years!! Equivalent to TikTok for you guys. Pleased with what Rob and Ryan are doing with you but guys you've got to correct it.
@benjamin29419
@benjamin29419 Жыл бұрын
Ed doesn't own Ipswich, he's a sponsor. And also, this is their SECOND season under new ownership - not sixth or seventh.
@delcat8168
@delcat8168 Жыл бұрын
Also they are playing in a more competitive division. It gets harder to get promoted the higher up you get.
@benjamin29419
@benjamin29419 Жыл бұрын
@@delcat8168 Especially given how League One had the likes of Derby, Sheff Weds and Plymouth this season. Very different levels.
@ThaUnspokenTruth
@ThaUnspokenTruth Жыл бұрын
@@delcat8168 I respectively disagree - National League the hardest league to get out of. I fully expect Wrexham to get promoted from league 2 next season (first try)
@JP-es1nb
@JP-es1nb Жыл бұрын
@@ThaUnspokenTruth everything increases a lot more as you go up the pyramid. You’re completing with massive teams that come down and want to get straight back up. The player pool becomes smaller and the costs skyrocket. The gap between leagues gets bigger and bigger and bigger. Wrexham, Rob and Ryan still deserve big credit but this is just wrong.
@tractordamage5272
@tractordamage5272 Жыл бұрын
@@ThaUnspokenTruth The quote 'Hardest League to out get of' refers to the lack of promotion opportunities. And remember this quote has mostly been used for League 1.
@geckopubg
@geckopubg Жыл бұрын
Ed sheeran is just a shirt sponsor, how can you compare them?
@dizzydazed8055
@dizzydazed8055 Жыл бұрын
Ollie Palmer has a very big chip... takes his words with a pinch of salt.
@hahaharithz
@hahaharithz Жыл бұрын
Tbf mate Ed Sheeran doesn't own Ipswich, not even a percentage. He just sponsors the kits
@seoirseneverwinter7738
@seoirseneverwinter7738 Жыл бұрын
Yeah they are footballers not exactly known as being the brightest bunch
@snowfox4996
@snowfox4996 Жыл бұрын
​@Seoirse Neverwinter they just misremembered the story 😂 calm yourself
@tysonkuresa5830
@tysonkuresa5830 Жыл бұрын
They're owned by Norwich, are they not?
@Lupin788
@Lupin788 Жыл бұрын
@@tysonkuresa5830 Ipswich Town FC is owned by Gamechanger 20 Ltd, which is 90% owned by an Ohio-based investment fund.
@AndyWood71
@AndyWood71 Жыл бұрын
@@tysonkuresa5830 Only for about 10% of their history the other 90% Ipswich owned Norwich who have never won anything.
@davidhughes7530
@davidhughes7530 Жыл бұрын
Yeah Ed Sheeran is the kit sponsor he owes 0% of Ipswich.
@adamrabe3105
@adamrabe3105 Жыл бұрын
Ollie and Fozzy - sounds like a podcast to be done after next year when it's all said and done.
@kieronmarshall1106
@kieronmarshall1106 Жыл бұрын
Sheeran’s the shirt sponsor lads 😂😂
@johnsearing9736
@johnsearing9736 Жыл бұрын
I wanna see a video of the bench reaction during and after the save.
@jokessparrow-ch.
@jokessparrow-ch. Жыл бұрын
just wait for welcome to wrexham season 2, prob on 10-ish episode
@astronomenov99
@astronomenov99 Жыл бұрын
Ollie and Ben are so funny.
@stubailey9433
@stubailey9433 Жыл бұрын
Great chemistry! Laughing.
@AFriskyPigeon
@AFriskyPigeon Жыл бұрын
Imagine throwing shade at another club's owner of 6 years just because yours have done incredible things in 2 years... I mean, let's just completely ignore; a) You were in Non-League, Ipswich were top-half League 1... budgets are *slightly* different b) He's only been involved since the 21/22 season, which is * checks notes * 2 years. c) He's not actually the owner, he's a sponsor Other than that, you're bang on lads. 😑
@DailySwan
@DailySwan Жыл бұрын
Season ticket holder at Portman road and I’ve just learnt that Ed Sheeran owns Ipswich Town. News to me
@peytoncopeland6616
@peytoncopeland6616 Жыл бұрын
He doesn't. Just a kit sponsor
@joshbacon8995
@joshbacon8995 Жыл бұрын
Owns a whole 0.0% 😒
@goattm2
@goattm2 Жыл бұрын
Palmer is always an entertaining guest on podcasts.
@waartgamesyt6644
@waartgamesyt6644 Жыл бұрын
Great video Love you foster
@olliewelsh7892
@olliewelsh7892 Жыл бұрын
Olly palmer. Love the guy. Mansfield town fan and loved when he played for us. Best work rate in the team but noisy couldn't get the ball in the net 😭. But his work rate made up for it. Quality player
@danielroberts7776
@danielroberts7776 Жыл бұрын
I’m not convinced about him he’s like a wish version of Harry Kane his head don’t seem to be in the footy
@olliewelsh7892
@olliewelsh7892 Жыл бұрын
@@danielroberts7776 from his time at Mansfield all the fans recognised his work rate and effort he was just criticized for his lack of goals for a striker. But my honest opinion his work rate and the challenges he won and chances he creates made up for that
@mythreestars61
@mythreestars61 Жыл бұрын
looks like your enjoying your football fozzy great stuff well done
@MrTerryb1956
@MrTerryb1956 Жыл бұрын
They might be HUGE but not has HUGE HAS Sir Elton john he brought the club [ Watford ] in around 1976 and put Graham Taylor in charge and as they say the rest is history. Good luck Wrexham
@remi7090
@remi7090 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like those National League refs are horrible if they call offside when he’s not…. 8 or 9 times.
@richardwilliams3369
@richardwilliams3369 Жыл бұрын
Wrexham it was a nightmare that turned into a fairy story ! those haters remember this club was ruined by previous owners, the fans saved the club and by shear luck two people invested their money. Football is a business weather you like it or not you need money and the right people to be successful like it or not.
@cliffl7
@cliffl7 4 ай бұрын
Watching this from Canada. Its weird hearing a Brit call it soccer. Olie only said it once (maybe twice), but it caught me off guard.
@jamiephilips5743
@jamiephilips5743 Жыл бұрын
Ed sheeran is the Ipswich town shirt sponser lads he doesn't own Ipswich - three Americans game changer ltd and pension fund investors 👍
@carolineplant5510
@carolineplant5510 Жыл бұрын
i dont even like football but now ive started following wrexham😂
@D_isco_D_ancer
@D_isco_D_ancer Жыл бұрын
I want one of those Red Championship Hoodie, Please Wrexham make them available worldwide.
@boomhaueroo8703
@boomhaueroo8703 Жыл бұрын
Burnley is very lucky to have J.J. Watt. As good as they come.
@Steven90108Runs
@Steven90108Runs Жыл бұрын
Ed Sheeran doesnt have shares in Ipswich, he sponsors the shirts for the Men and Women's teams
@HXT_916
@HXT_916 Жыл бұрын
I’m a Gas Fan and when we got back to back promotions from the conference after relegation, the wealthy Al-Qadi family bought us. In all honesty, it’s stalled a bit in league 1; but we have a semi-high profile decent manager. But we desperately need the stadium and investment to the community, like Rob and Ryan bring.
@nathredwood
@nathredwood Жыл бұрын
Cheer up, their replacing the tents with a roof on stilts…
@jasonhawtin1808
@jasonhawtin1808 Жыл бұрын
Poor research from you lot, Ed is a shirt sponsor not an owner… our ownership group have done a lot more in the 2 years they’ve owned Ipswich than Rob & Ryan have for Wrexham, there’s a reason we won EFL community club of the year in their first year of ownership… the investment into the club from top to bottom is on another level to Wrexham so it’s a pointless comparison from the off 🙄
@LL-lz6kh
@LL-lz6kh Жыл бұрын
Sounds and kinda looks like ClubFaceUK the golf KZbinr
@stevelewis5787
@stevelewis5787 Жыл бұрын
You need to correct this! You show a lack of knowledge that Ed Sheeran is a short sponsor and not a owner! Stupid comparison!
@NCFC1862
@NCFC1862 Жыл бұрын
“Stockport, Chesterfield” Yeah because you couldn’t score against us could you Ollie…
@simondewhurst3237
@simondewhurst3237 Жыл бұрын
The kid spoiled it right at the end when he called it soccer🙈🙈
@chrisknight2631
@chrisknight2631 Жыл бұрын
Ed Sheeran doesn’t own Ipswich, does he? I thought he just sponsored them(?). He was given a shirt number, iirc, but that was it, right?
@ronnyjohnson739
@ronnyjohnson739 Жыл бұрын
Just looked ryans net worth 350 and ed sheeran is 250 so where they getting 40 odd mil from ryans just sold his gin company for 600+ mil, i know your footballers but why aint the other guy doing abit of research, come on son earn your money and get grafting
@vulcaninsights
@vulcaninsights Жыл бұрын
Instagram followers, not pounds or dollars 🤣
@ryleypalmer
@ryleypalmer Жыл бұрын
They were talking about ig followers. But even so did he even have more than 20% of Aviation Gin when they sold? Of which they “only” got like 55% cash upfront and then taxes too don’t forget. So not like he’s got 600 mill sitting in an account somewhere.
@elbruces
@elbruces Жыл бұрын
He sold the gin company a while back. More recently he's just sold a cell phone company for $300M.
@kellammusic
@kellammusic Жыл бұрын
Ed Sheeran is just a sponsor on a kit you dongos
@ArmyofLove
@ArmyofLove Жыл бұрын
I'm confident Wrexham will gain league 2 promotion next season too
@aroundthegrounds4425
@aroundthegrounds4425 Жыл бұрын
Poor poor research, Ed Sheeran not an owner just a shirt sponsor, at he’s been a shirt sponsor for 3 year not the 6 or 7 you’re talking about, have fun in the basement of the EFL
@Dunkelzeitgeist
@Dunkelzeitgeist Жыл бұрын
Did Ollie just say soccer 🤔
@lospollinos1978
@lospollinos1978 Жыл бұрын
Why are so many people pressed about his Ed Sheeran comments? Ever considered he made a genuine mistake 🤔
@TheNotoriousNemo
@TheNotoriousNemo Жыл бұрын
that gaffer is mad i tell ya
@JonCannings
@JonCannings Жыл бұрын
@mintywebb
@mintywebb Жыл бұрын
Ryan Reynolds is a billionaire.He sold aviation for 600 million and has recently sold mint.
@tractordamage5272
@tractordamage5272 Жыл бұрын
So back in Reality... Ipswich's 'Gamechanger' owners have done far more than Ryan and Rob. In the same amount of time...at a much harder level. And there is a more successful, more dramatic, American 'nice guys' Takeover in British Football...which revived a sleeping giant. And raised a whole community. It's in Suffolk.
@JP-es1nb
@JP-es1nb Жыл бұрын
I actually think the only difference is… Welcome to Ipswich is not on TV. I do love the show. Like Wrexham. Like Rob and Ryan also but it’s pretty much exactly the same. Filled the stadium, more demand, boosted the community, boosted the team and got them promoted. Same 2 years. I can’t really work out what else is different? If anything it’s been harder?
@tractordamage5272
@tractordamage5272 Жыл бұрын
@@JP-es1nb True. But Ipswich fans aren't a toxic loudmouth fanbase. We're gutted at this ignorance, and passive aggressiveness towards us, because we felt 'twinned' with Wrexham. Ipswich fans probably related the most, and were loving the Wrexham story. Then we got abused by a naive fantasist lol. Have they apologised yet, and corrected it? Or did Ego get in the way.
@Alex-zi1nb
@Alex-zi1nb Жыл бұрын
dont forget robs 1 mill hahahahaha
@chrisedge1099
@chrisedge1099 Жыл бұрын
Ed Sheeran doesn't have any shares in Ipswich. Stick to football Ollie.
@lukebanks20
@lukebanks20 Жыл бұрын
I’m an Ipswich fan, I respect everything Ed has done for my club but even I can can see that rob and Ryan have done more than Ed
@danielbruce3557
@danielbruce3557 Жыл бұрын
He's a shirt sponsor not the owner, you'd need to compare Ed with TikTok for a comparison, Ed has done far more
@Armstrong330
@Armstrong330 Жыл бұрын
get bootlegger on
@ajjo-ni8mw
@ajjo-ni8mw Жыл бұрын
Great soccer? Hanging around the yanks too long 😞
@JP-es1nb
@JP-es1nb Жыл бұрын
Ed Sheehan has sponsored the Ipswich town shift for 2 years and is a local supporter. He has nothing to do with anything else. Ipswich is owned by an American investment/pension fund. There are boundaries to what they can and can’t do. I’m sure Wrexham has shirt sponsors also. Again, nothing to do with the running of a club. I like Wrexham. I like Rob and Ryan and even after this podcast I still do. Big fan of Ben and still am but this is very bad research. It costs a lot more to run Ipswich than it does Wrexham and I think you just need to be a bit more humble in that.
@One.Zero.One101
@One.Zero.One101 Жыл бұрын
Holy crap, I didn't know you could invest a pension fund on a football club. If I was a pensioner I don't think I would be comfortable with that.
@secondchance4498
@secondchance4498 Жыл бұрын
Hasn't Reynolds just sold his phone company/shares making him about $280,000,000?..........
@jonathanrandall5503
@jonathanrandall5503 Жыл бұрын
If they were that great why would you have to make stories up? Shame on you really.
@mixodorians12
@mixodorians12 Жыл бұрын
It is self serving contempt more than jealousy. It serves other football teams and supporters to have contempt for Wrexham.., so they do. How does it serve other football clubs or pundits in the country, when football fans across the globe and in England have a love in with Wrexham? Have Wrexham as their second team? It doesn't. It takes money and attention away from their teams. But it serves them to have contempt. It serves them to stop it. Problem is as contempt is self serving, self serving contempt can never be satisfied. It must exist. So no matter how shitty the comments get, how nasty things get.. they will always get worse..as the contempt isn't rational, or based on anything reasonable.. it is self serving.
@oskifan1
@oskifan1 Жыл бұрын
Ollie said "soccer" at 8:42! See, it's not just we Americans, Canadians, or Australians who use the proper term.
@elbruces
@elbruces Жыл бұрын
Yup, it's short for "association football" as opposed to "ruggers football" (rugby) or "gridiron football" (American). It's a field/ball game that's played on foot, as opposed to polo.
@JW93.
@JW93. Жыл бұрын
It's not jealousy most of the critics support historic clubs in leagues above Wrexham it's the fact they have bought the league and not done it naturally. That's why everyone in Germany hates RB Leipzig
@jel5034
@jel5034 Жыл бұрын
Ben signed for free and played for expenses and has been said before in these podcasts, most of the Wrexham players aren't on money that they can retire on, hence the side hustles many have got involved in.
@VelvetMetrolink
@VelvetMetrolink Жыл бұрын
Unless they have the same response when a billionaire buys their club, and turn around and say "we didn't really win the league" it's jealousy. Having never heard a Blackburn, Chelsea, Man City, or even Forest Green Rovers fan say that.... it's jealousy.
@JW93.
@JW93. Жыл бұрын
@@jel5034 Their on ridiculous money compared to there counterparts though that's the point. Look at Mullen for example, do you think he's dropping 1/2 leagues for fun when he was banging them in at a higher level? Regards to Foster I don't know his contact situation but he's done it for publicity and followers because that's obviously the root he's taking now
@JW93.
@JW93. Жыл бұрын
@@VelvetMetrolink Well it's not and I'm telling you it's not jealousy. The only people who can be jealous are people at their level the likes of notts county and anyone else in that division.
@alphomega2459
@alphomega2459 Жыл бұрын
@@jel5034 only 3x the wage of every other club in the same league
@moonlightrelax639
@moonlightrelax639 Жыл бұрын
Can't wait till it all goes tits up in league Two, it's all getting abit sickly now. Whoopee you spent massive in a league where most owners couldn't give a rats arse
@liamayre8774
@liamayre8774 Жыл бұрын
Crying into your pillow? They're great for football and great for the town of Wrexham, grow the hell up
@lancinekeita4823
@lancinekeita4823 Жыл бұрын
They have a media glow rn. Try to find the joy in it - no one truly expects this team to go far in the short term, the media focus will end Naturally when they don't secure back-to-back promotions.
@jgm_master8335
@jgm_master8335 Жыл бұрын
First
@marcus0297
@marcus0297 Жыл бұрын
Grow up
@FAWicon
@FAWicon Жыл бұрын
@@marcus0297 grow up
@joeutm212
@joeutm212 Жыл бұрын
Other fans aren’t jealous. It’s just the fact that they’ve spent and are spending far far more than the competition and pretty much buying there way out of the league simply because the other teams can’t compete financially. If there was a wage cap in the league there would be no Paul Mullen no Ollie player no Ben tozer and so on and Wrexham would have had to have done it properly like every other team. It was the same with forest green and Salford, they got abuse for doing the same thing. It jus simply isn’t fair and makes a tough league even tougher to get out of
@olowokandi42
@olowokandi42 Жыл бұрын
Football has been about money for a long time now. If you put a wage cap no one would ever invest in these small clubs because there is no financial benefit for investors to be stuck in lower league for a long period of time, and even just maintaining the ground and club is expensive, look at the state Wrexham stadium was, and they almost financially completely folded before, only to be barely saved by fans. In an ideal world all clubs have equal footing, but we live in capitalism mate, and this is what we get
@joeutm212
@joeutm212 Жыл бұрын
@@olowokandi42 wage cap would save owners money if anything. And league 2 and league 1 standard players would stay there and to gain promotion it couldn’t be bought you’d have to be a lot smarter with bring players and managers in. My team Grimsby we’re in the exact same position as Wrexham. A shit owner took us from div one to the national league in the space of 20 years and without funding raised from fans we wouldn’t be a club. We still managed to get out of the national league on one of the lowest budgets in the top half of the table last season after our new owners spent money the right way. No reason Hollywood fc couldn’t have gone up without bringing in all those big name players
@matthewbertram4312
@matthewbertram4312 Жыл бұрын
That sounds like jealousy. If you want to get up 4 more tiers, how do you expect to do it? Hopes and dreams? No, you spend like that's your goal. And then you rely on the players to play, the managers to coach, and the office to make the right moves so the spending actually works instead of just dumping money into a non-functional situation. Any team; ANY TEAM; would spend what they need to in order to help accomplish their goals if they had the means. ANY FAN would defend their team spending to do it. As long as it's done right, and with intelligence. So anyone using the money that Wrexham has spent as a reason why what they're doing isn't impressive...well, that's jealousy.
@olowokandi42
@olowokandi42 Жыл бұрын
@@joeutm212 Congrats to your team for getting out. Without a big wage budget a lot of things have to go right, you have to have excellent team cohesion and a good coach, and then after you're up you need to somehow keep that team together without losing players to more wealthy clubs, and even try to strengthen it. But my concern is that a wage budget would mean that teams have more difficulty attracting good players across the board in lower leagues because who would want to drop down in leagues then? Talented players would exclusively stay in higher leagues, meaning less talent across the board and a more difficult transition for clubs once you get out and make that promotion to the next level. A big financial injection shortens that time span for advancement through the league system, allowing clubs to "skip" a few leagues, but that's up to the owners how much they want to spend, and even that is not a guarantee. Notts County was very close to winning the league in front of Wrexham despite what the Wrexham owners did. With a wage cap lower leagues would be less interesting for both sponsors and investors alike.
@joeutm212
@joeutm212 Жыл бұрын
@@olowokandi42 I just don’t agree that bringing talents down to the national league is good for the league overall though. It stops progression of young players and 90% of teams from the national league cant even attract them in the first place, only the rich clubs in nice areas can. If less money is spent on the wage bill more money will be left for the training facilities, youth facilities, the stadium etc and you’ll see a more better structured clubs. Look at bornemouth they were incredibly well structured and had a class young manager and managed to get out of the lower leagues and go to the prem without having to spend ridiculous amounts. Same with Luton. Where as teams like forest green and salford who tried buying there way through the leagues are not stuck in league one/two. As well, the sponsorship argument isn’t true. Yeh Wrexham are gonna get coverage because of the owners being famous but I Crawley got no coverage when they bought there way out. Forest green didn’t. There will also always be talented loanee players in the lower leagues. I guarantee most of the players who are 23 and under in the championship started off with loan spells are national league clubs, I’ve seen loads of them at Grimsby. Siriki dembele at bornemouth. Elliot embeleton at Sunderland. Josh benson are Barnsley, jus to name a few. You don’t need big money signings at 1/2 of the rich clubs in the league to have talented players in the league
@AndyWood71
@AndyWood71 Жыл бұрын
Love Wrexham but seriously get you facts right before talking about other clubs owners Ed is a sponser for 2 years not an owner!
@eidodk
@eidodk Жыл бұрын
They're football players. Not really intelligent heavyweights
@redmen2008
@redmen2008 Жыл бұрын
First
@marcus0297
@marcus0297 Жыл бұрын
Grow up
@ReubenSempleJones
@ReubenSempleJones Жыл бұрын
​@@marcus0297 You read my mind
@timp1390
@timp1390 Жыл бұрын
Also remember Reynolds sold his gin company for a few hundred Mil. His ability to find money required is leagues above most other celebs
@stenerline
@stenerline Жыл бұрын
True, plus he made even more money on that phone company, he's invested in a ton of good companies and startups, a true smart VC
@danielbruce3557
@danielbruce3557 Жыл бұрын
Appreciate where you are coming from but Ed isn't an owner he's a shirt sponsor. The owners have about $17bn
@timp1390
@timp1390 Жыл бұрын
@@danielbruce3557 I'm aware he's not an owner. It was in relation to other celebs starting g to get involved like JJ watt etc
@addrock7695
@addrock7695 Жыл бұрын
@@timp1390 unlike other owners of previous proud club/towns, I cannot see them taking out crippling loans out against the club.. And Wrexhams success might interest new investors with the same morals and integrity that Rob and Ryan have, to not just the club but the town as well.. The lead up to the approval to purchase the club the numbers were run by them and it wasn’t just a stab in the dark as who would be that financially inept.
@danielbruce3557
@danielbruce3557 Жыл бұрын
@@timp1390 fair enough mate 👍🏻
@SMB291
@SMB291 Жыл бұрын
Palmers not the brightest is he?
@robholmes9022
@robholmes9022 Жыл бұрын
Ed Sheeran owns Ipswich?? Oh dear, do your homework lads!! 🙄
@LocoJunius
@LocoJunius Жыл бұрын
Cmon Ben, when you getting them both on the Fozcast?
@snookerstones
@snookerstones Жыл бұрын
Why did he call it soccer lol?
@vulcaninsights
@vulcaninsights Жыл бұрын
Epic chat boys 🖖
@sabirelk
@sabirelk Жыл бұрын
what a pod
@D_isco_D_ancer
@D_isco_D_ancer Жыл бұрын
Ryan and Rob have tons of time to dedicate to Wrexham is just amazing how they have embraced this project fully.
@gillianboden6735
@gillianboden6735 Жыл бұрын
I actually don't think they have tons of time.
@Mike-ol7gt
@Mike-ol7gt Жыл бұрын
Yes Wrexham are a media circus right now, but they are at the heart a proper working class club and have fell lucky with these owners who know how to generate finances and interest....I’m happy for the club and look forward to having them back in league 2 this season as it only adds value to the whole league.
@davidohanlon6508
@davidohanlon6508 Жыл бұрын
Is that Harry Kanes long lost twin
@jeffhawley2441
@jeffhawley2441 Жыл бұрын
School trip, off red hoodies
@lloydfitzgerald1935
@lloydfitzgerald1935 Жыл бұрын
you're better to listen to on your own show than goldbridge interruptin you with bullshit👍👍✌✌
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