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Why Games Take Up So Much Space

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Why do so many modern video games often take up huge amounts of space on your drive - sometimes even over 100 GB?
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@juances
@juances Жыл бұрын
I'll always bring this example: Fallout 4 and Skyrim have they high-res textures as free DLC, you can save disk space by just disabling the DLC and downloading only the basic lowres textures and I think fortnite tried the same thing last year. Why don't all games do this? Seems like a relatively easy solution. No need to pack 4k textures for everyone, they should be optional.
@BonerForest.
@BonerForest. Жыл бұрын
Fallout 4 with all dlc‘s is like 100gb, skyrim is better tho
@AudioArcturia
@AudioArcturia Жыл бұрын
That is because these games had textures already in the game upscaled after release using machine learning, not necessarily because they wanted to save space.
@smallbutdeadly931
@smallbutdeadly931 Жыл бұрын
I'm the type of person to install mods with even higher resolution textures because many basegame textures are poopoo
@puck8961
@puck8961 Жыл бұрын
It's pretty standard for pirated games to have optional higher res textures and different translations. Getting a better experience than paying customers will never not be funny.
@Takintomori
@Takintomori Жыл бұрын
Diablo 4 of all things has this feature. It has base textures and then a 40gb optional download for the high-res textures.
@MagoGuitarrista
@MagoGuitarrista Жыл бұрын
I've been saying this for over 10 years, just like how Steam allows you to select different aspects of a download (language, location, DLCs, etc.), it should also let you choose the texture size before the download/installation. We all know that the percentage of people playing at 4K+ resolution is minimal, and those who don't use these resolutions shouldn't have to be held hostage with valuable disk space being occupied by data they will never use.
@crisschan2463
@crisschan2463 Жыл бұрын
nowadays, only steam and piracy can give you that as an option
@enricod.7198
@enricod.7198 Жыл бұрын
Again, 4k textures and 4k res aren't the same. You can notice 4k textures even on 1080p. It doesn't mean that 4k textures are made for 4k players. They simply need to correctly compress them, a thing I doubt they are doing in the last years.
@HapPawhere
@HapPawhere Жыл бұрын
@@enricod.7198 They are lazy lol because it takes time to compress & double check
@Hamachingo
@Hamachingo Жыл бұрын
I kinda wish I could have medium resolution textures and only download the hi res ones on the fly if I enable them in-game. Or just cache them and clear them out if I haven't touched the game in over a month. That way, I can still launch the game real quick.
@WalrusWinking
@WalrusWinking Жыл бұрын
@@enricod.7198 Bro MOST PEOPLE can't run this stuff.
@czb117
@czb117 Жыл бұрын
I will never stop being impressed with what the original Legend of Zelda, LoZ:OoT, and resident evil 2 (N64 port) managed to accomplish in 128kB, 32MB, and 64MB respectively. None were the best graphics of their generations, but were vast and engaging games in incredibly small packages.
@aoeu256
@aoeu256 Жыл бұрын
Compressed snes games were so small…. Smw was like 256kb compressed. We need to improve fast procedural generation of textures.
@junoperberry
@junoperberry Жыл бұрын
Tears of the kingdom is also pretty impressive that they managed to fit the whole in just 16gbs
@Nurse_Xochitl
@Nurse_Xochitl Жыл бұрын
@@junoperberry go check out what .kkrieger can do in 96kb
@victoriazero8869
@victoriazero8869 Жыл бұрын
Kessen III was so weird that when you make an ISO of them you end up with something bigger than 4.7 GB (7.2 GB in fact) which was the PS2 disc What is this bullshit compression magic, Koei?!
@SamOnTehsea
@SamOnTehsea Жыл бұрын
@@junoperberry TOK uses a base of cell shading texture (basically like wind weaker), and most of the detail in the model comes from shader and light effect. Basically, you could save most base colours as a low-res texture because you don't have any details to it. So its save a lot of memory compared to a high-resolution texture from other game.
@icrann
@icrann Жыл бұрын
A huge part is also most textures now are PBR, this means that for each texture they will usually have more than three images for each texture. A colour map, a normal map and height map at least.
@jepu1742
@jepu1742 Жыл бұрын
Then they leave them uncompressed or unnecessarily high resolution depending on if they're normal/bump maps etc
@CarbonOtter
@CarbonOtter Жыл бұрын
This has been the case since 1999. They just call it a unified name now instead of the engine-specific naming (node-based shaders, compiled shaders, dynamic textures, etc). PBR is NOT the reason for the bloat.
@test-rj2vl
@test-rj2vl Жыл бұрын
Why do you need a color map? If you were to use texture that is already some sort of image such as png, doesnt it already include all possible colors that can be displayed?
@inconspicuoususername
@inconspicuoususername Жыл бұрын
@@test-rj2vl The issue I think is an ambiguity in the use of the word "texture" - With PBR, you can think of one "texture" as being a composite of several "maps", as others have listed. The color map is the same as a conventional image, and is the only one that can still be used as a "texture" on its own while making sense. Normal maps, roughness maps, etc. are all things that describe the material properties of the surface that the color map represents; If your color map has the appearance of a brick wall, you don't want that surface in-game to shine like polished metal. Effectively, these additional maps simply use image formats as a way to store and *represent* non-color data.
@sourestcake
@sourestcake Жыл бұрын
@@spokeBc You can also compress normal maps to 2 channels, thanks to the fact that normals always point outwards and the Pythagorean Theorem.
@Escher99
@Escher99 Жыл бұрын
More games need to have Ultra textures (and uncompressed audio) as free DLC so you can choose to download them separately. Also, most games could probably get away with doing half-res normal maps to increase performance. But this requires management actually caring about the players and not wanting them to continue churning out (money making) content.
@theworddoner
@theworddoner Жыл бұрын
That ultra texture DLC can easily be another $10 lol 😂
@chronometer9931
@chronometer9931 Жыл бұрын
Go play on your consoles and stop ruining PC gaming
@hwstar9416
@hwstar9416 Жыл бұрын
I don't think so imo. Most players expect when they download a game that it'll be the intended experience. If they see it looks like shit they'll the game is bad.
@touma-san91
@touma-san91 Жыл бұрын
@@hwstar9416 I haven't seen a game in long time that that was released and was the intended experience.
@SunnyZ
@SunnyZ Жыл бұрын
Game repacks have had this for years. Choose if you want HD textures and cinematics or not upon install. Can choose what language you want, this alone can save upto 10GB in some games. Pirates have been ahead of the game for decades.
@FOF275
@FOF275 Жыл бұрын
They should seriously start making stuff like 4k textures, language files and cutscenes optional downloads. It's completely dumb to fill up disc space with crap you won't use if you play on 1080p or 1440p and only use one language
@Splarkszter
@Splarkszter Жыл бұрын
Yeah, why would i like to even dare to have the Ultra assets on my potato that struggles to get 20FPS on low. #FreeOurStorage
@KalShaw
@KalShaw Жыл бұрын
Fitgirl has your fix !
@AudioArcturia
@AudioArcturia Жыл бұрын
It's important to note (although I'm sure you're already aware) that 4k textures and 4k resolution monitors aren't the same thing, so having 4k textures isn't something one should consider overkill for 1080p gaming. If anything, the difference would probably be more noticable on a 1080p 27" monitor than it would on a 4k 27" monitor, for example. On top of that - they already are. It is easier to downscale a 4k texture to 1k or 2k (1024² or 2048², respectively) than to upscale, even with machine learning. Game developers want to create the best possible presentation they can for a given budget. It isn't economical or useful to make separate texture packs when they can just put their best foot forward, and allow the option to downscale textures for people that have weaker systems. This is something most games already have built into them.
@australianwi-fi
@australianwi-fi Жыл бұрын
More and more games nowadays have an optional "high resolution textures" option you can select or deselect when installing the game. Most recent in my memory is Diablo 4, the high res option basically doubles the size of the game from 40ish-gb to 80
@jeremydale4548
@jeremydale4548 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Like, you already have the separate files probably, why not just put them up as DLC?
@brosch91
@brosch91 Жыл бұрын
When I built my first gaming pc in 2011, I was thinking I would just buy a 1tb hard drive and that would be waaay more space than I ever need. And with the average game at the time being around 8gb size, I was right at the time. Times have definitely changed since the Xbox 360 era!
@Galiant2010
@Galiant2010 Жыл бұрын
I remember my mind being boggled at the size of Dragon Age Origins (with DLC) being like 25GB lol.
@Dewalt-mh1dz
@Dewalt-mh1dz Жыл бұрын
Then there is people like me who got a 3Tb in 2012 and filled it up in 2 days. XD
@ChillieGaming
@ChillieGaming Жыл бұрын
@@Dewalt-mh1dz did u store your homework?😏
@Stupididiot67
@Stupididiot67 Жыл бұрын
i have 1.5tb of space on my pc and im usually good with that granted i dont play AAA games that much cause most of them suck nowadays. Most of my storage is taken up by mods for games that are usually at most like 20gb
@PrechtGaebolgHades
@PrechtGaebolgHades Жыл бұрын
​@@Dewalt-mh1dzbruh what the heck did you store in there?! 💀
@BrBill
@BrBill Жыл бұрын
I am an infrastructure and devops engineer for a very large videogame maker. Our biggest game is an offering in the MMO category, and its source control requirements for full history, including all code, multimedia, and internationalization, is nearly 25 TB. Given all the supported resolutions, languages, etc., this should come as no surprise.
@Cameron_7127
@Cameron_7127 Жыл бұрын
Wow
@skak3000
@skak3000 Жыл бұрын
Do you know why some games is so well optimize like Doom 2016, Half-Life Alyx. (Can run on Core 2 Quad) But others games have creazy high system req.?
@OscarHazeGaming
@OscarHazeGaming Жыл бұрын
@@skak3000 Alyx is a VR title, so it's built from ground-up with the idea of being ran at high FPS to reduce motion sickness. Doom also has high performance as part of a core design philosophy, so it's entirely built around it from the get-go.
@palaashatri
@palaashatri Жыл бұрын
But that's raw source code, not compiled, which does reduce a lot of the size if you're using DLLs in your client code. Plus, as you said its an MMO, I am a 100% sure you might also be including the server infrastructure code, which would be gigantic, I can agree. The game would be a "client" by default, which shouldn't be bundling the server side configurations. The actual, compiled client would be much smaller in size.
@Desopolis
@Desopolis Жыл бұрын
@@palaashatriit’s not code that’s the issue, it’s assets. I have a single raw fireball explosion that is 3GB. It’s only 5s long.. Getting it into a game uses complex tech like flipbooks and other junk
@madaranotsoanonymousnowuch1539
@madaranotsoanonymousnowuch1539 Жыл бұрын
They should release games with low res textures for 1080p and a 4k texture pack for those that want it.
@Hyperboid
@Hyperboid Жыл бұрын
I agree. This is the correct solution.
@whyops
@whyops Жыл бұрын
Yes
@xXkirekireXx
@xXkirekireXx Жыл бұрын
Diablo 4 actually has this, when setting up the install you can decide which version you want, 45Gb vs 77Gb iirc
@TuTAH_1
@TuTAH_1 Жыл бұрын
Totaly agree. There's actually a tiny amount of games doing this andr it doesn't cost me (as 4k user) anything¹ to install hi-res textures along with the game while it's saves space for those who don't need that. ¹ except time, only for those game what implement 4k textures downloading *inside a game* instead doing it of inside the launcher (ex. Steam) where I can choose to install both the game and hi-res textures without needing to wait for the game to download first.
@Valanway
@Valanway Жыл бұрын
Toss in 1440p too, because having to get 4k downresed isn't the most clean solution for space saving.
@yuukifenia1611
@yuukifenia1611 Жыл бұрын
The biggest issues are the lack of optimization and options. Plenty of games have unoptimized assets which could be brought down (like in the old days when space was a restriction). Someone running on a 2012 laptop does not need a 4k texture and 4k is still a rarity in the current state. The problem is that because it's no longer a restriction many studios don't bother. CoD is a major example where it went from 300 GB to 100GB when they finally optimized War zone. Most devs don't have a reason and so build for the most expensive. However, there are ways to compress or make a lower res version. Genshin as one example while still big is always working hard to compress and save space as they need to have a mobile version. The biggest issue is that most of these space savings are ONLY available on Mobile. PC cannot download the Mobile version or save space. One of the other biggest issues is the trend towards hyper realism which has been understood as a trap in the industry for literal decades (I learned it in school) and we're somehow falling for. Stylized graphics are much easier to make and often have more of an impact. Not all games need to be stylized but more games should be. Uncompressed Audio is also a big deal but that one is often harder to fix as the quality will take a hit. We could definitely go back to OGG and other formats but the average sound setup is so sophisticated that it often can't be helped. This is the biggest bottleneck that can't be fixed (and only one). Now for some good examples. Punishing Grey Raven devs have often been praised for their optimization of their games where they look stunning and run on SUPER old rigs. They started making a Genshin like Open World that still runs on older tech because their devs are crazy about optimization. Their games are small too for the content. Omega Strikers similarly took on the challenge of being the most accessible multi-player game. They did this by having no shaders or post processing enabling people to play it through only CPU and then heavily optimizing everything. As well as this they stylized so you need much less power for a much better picture. Very important. Their game is tiny and runs smooth even on a business comp with no GPU. Finally I'll say Genshin for all its worth is well optimized and should be the average. They're a MASSIVE open world game but they've notably kept size as low as possible since launch. The fact that they're so big now is testament to the sheer amount of content in the game and audio/cutscenes added as well as the vast environments. As someone who played from the start I could tell by how small the increments were for things like a new region how well their optimization is even if it's not perfect. I would just like the option for downloading the mobile version to save space if I choose. Also, Genshin biggest problem is their Patcher which uses the archaic method of needing double the space to install (9GB patch needs 20GB). Which is horrible during large patches or fresh installs. This is still common way too often and more devs need to look at their patching systems and make block like or dynamic patches. Anyways, that's all I got so hope you guys enjoyed and got something out of it!
@cheesebucketman1606
@cheesebucketman1606 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!! This is much better than saying textures duuhh. This was probably the most brain dead ulsur of a thing I heard from lines he usually knows allot but this, THIS! Total bogus. New games are an unoptimized glitchy cash grab mess don't play dumb it's all about the cash flow with these big companies. You know a game that actually warrants this 100gb is payday 2. why? You may ask l. Because it hase over 100 guns I believe over 100 maps as well as having tons of skins.
@Erbsengeneral
@Erbsengeneral Жыл бұрын
My First thougt Was KKrieger the game. Impressive and mindblowing.
@uhnnbyn8yu
@uhnnbyn8yu Жыл бұрын
The problem with this logic is that games today using 150+ GBs have nowhere near 4k resolution textures on display for most stuff. Most in game assets are much lower res than that because as you say, there's no reason to saturate the RAM with super duper high res assets when that game isn't going to be running anywhere close to 4k native; that extra framebuffer is better spent on other things like enhanced volumetrics or whatever. Game devs aren't stupid lol...it's super duper rare that a game dev just leaves uncompressed, raw texture data in the game and doesn't use that memory for something else (the original Dark Souls PC release being noted at the time for how odd incredibly odd it was for actually doing this; some textures in that game don't start to resolve properly unless you're in the 4-5k internal render res lol) the big thing that modern games have done that have exploded space is what in legacy titles minor things that were super duper low res or even just simple flat sprites are now high definition objects with geometry and multiple passes going over them for stuff like PBR, which has exploded space requirements. Basically, stuff like the random signpost that used to be a small 320x240 texture with a few triangles are now 5-10x that and in higher end titles stuff like tessellation going over the top, which requires even /more/ texture detail to properly show off. In short, the floor is higher now. Stuff that last gen would be a handful of megs (or even smaller if it was a sprite) is now in the multiple hundred megs territory. You multiply that out into the literally thousands of objects that need to be textured....yeah, it adds up quick. If games were truly using all 4k+ asset quality across the board, you'd be /easily/ seeing over half a terabyte sized games...which is the point linus was making here: this isn't going to slow down anytime soon.
@miragept
@miragept Жыл бұрын
4k textures do have its place, for example i do vehicle mods and commonly have main texture as a 4k one.(in most cases 2k is too blurry, for me as a 1080p display user)
@yensteel
@yensteel Жыл бұрын
Many game assets aren't optimized in a different way: 4k resolution for something low detail or small in the game world.
@betrangustama
@betrangustama Жыл бұрын
They should take example from pirates and repacking groups. They allow partial download where if you don't need other language voices (and sometimes 4K textures) you can skip them entirely.
@koli4213
@koli4213 11 ай бұрын
another piracy W
@Dwight511
@Dwight511 11 ай бұрын
@@koli4213 Potential malware = that W don't count, big L
@koli4213
@koli4213 11 ай бұрын
@@Dwight511 think my comment got deleto but you gotta use trusted sites, a good place to look is a piracy subreddit megathrad
@theunknowned9521
@theunknowned9521 11 ай бұрын
​@@Dwight511antivirus, like malwarebytes = W for the brave
@simplysmiley4670
@simplysmiley4670 11 ай бұрын
@@Dwight511 I will take potential malware over overly monetized microtransaction live service hell hole with PC melting graphics industry loves so much these days
@bpcgos
@bpcgos Жыл бұрын
Repack scene is awesome, they compress and remove unnecessary parts of the game to minimize their download size, I dont understand why steam or publisher and devs in general not attempt to do it. In a game repack you will usually able to choose what language, video quality (4K or full HD) ,bonus content (ost, bts video , commentary) and texture quality. When installed this will make overall install size also reduced , sometimes quite significantly.
@simplysmiley4670
@simplysmiley4670 11 ай бұрын
Because it's too much effort for something that doesn't make money as instantly. It's easier to sell graphics on a storefront then an actually functioning good game that won't put your PC in heavy strain even if you get top tier setup.
@FatherManus
@FatherManus Жыл бұрын
I still remember when GTA 5, one of the biggest games ever, was only an 8gb install (disc version) at launch on PS3. And even that size was a controversy back in 2013.
@Behdad47
@Behdad47 Жыл бұрын
Are you sure? I remember it taking about 17-37 (can't quite recall the exact size) gigs on my HDD. I didn't have it on disc though. God of War 3 and MGS4, on the other hand, were crazy back then.
@FatherManus
@FatherManus Жыл бұрын
@@Behdad47 I’m positive. I remember clearly because I preordered GTA 5 and wanted to know ahead of time what the requirements were so I could play it immediately after I picked up my midnight launch copy. 8gb isn’t much now but back then it was huge. Most games didn’t have a mandatory install on PS3 and the ones that did were way smaller. I just checked and the 8gb install requirement is still up on Rockstar’s support page. Look up: Grand Theft Auto V Xbox 360 and PS3 Installation Requirements. It should be the first article.
@celeste3761
@celeste3761 Жыл бұрын
@@FatherManus devs can compress large files/installation files into smaller ones to fit in a download folder. You can fit an 80gb file into a 30gb compressed zip files for example. But once you unzip it/install the program, it will uncompress back into it's original size. it doesnt matter if the installation files only takes up 8gb in your usb, when you install the actual game in your console, it will balloon up into its original size and take space in your console instead. Unfortunately only a few game does this since it's time consuming. You can often found this practice in pirated games. I downloaded resident evil 4 remake with dlcs that went from 30gb to 80gb.
@Pasi123
@Pasi123 Жыл бұрын
The PC version was around 60-70GB in 2015. I remember it taking a long time to download on a 10Mbps fiber
@Behdad47
@Behdad47 Жыл бұрын
@@Pasi123 I had to get a Steam backup from my friend. It was 14 DVDs when I got it so I guess around 62-66 gigs. I was flabbergasted when I saw him hand me those DVDs.
@ugur3527
@ugur3527 Жыл бұрын
They can release seperate free DLCs with higher texture files.
@ugur3527
@ugur3527 Жыл бұрын
For audio they can just use Opus 192 kbps because there isn't any audible difference between that and lossless.
@R3TR0J4N
@R3TR0J4N Жыл бұрын
yea its rare when games that let you uninstall the ultra high texture packs in steam
@insu_na
@insu_na Жыл бұрын
I believe they did it similar to this with Arma 2. You could play the base version of the game for free with your friends, but if you didn't buy the game you had what felt like 16x16 textures
@Dw7freak
@Dw7freak Жыл бұрын
Another space issue is the hyper-realistic art style that the company is going for. Because they're trying to render every blade of grass and every nose hair, they need many extra textures just for each individual hair variable. If you compare to something that uses an anime art style, even at 1440p, there's a huge decrease in storage space just because they don't have to have those excessive, hyper-realistic textures, especially on character models. Using a modern game for reference, Atelier Ryza 3, which came out in March 2023, only requires 50gb of storage, less than a third the example used at 0:11 does.
@simplysmiley4670
@simplysmiley4670 11 ай бұрын
Hell, anything beyond 1080p is overkill to me. As long as you can tell what's what, the graphics do the job more then enough.
@YOEL_44
@YOEL_44 Жыл бұрын
I don't care how much excuses they make, game size can be trimmed severely if they really wanted to, and here's how: - Compression can be made in many ways, you can use lossy compression with artifacts like in DXT or you can use palettized textures with some dithering - Details can also be achieved in many ways, you don't need grass or dirt or even a brick wall to have a very high res unique pattern, you can use detail layers to overlay some noise and imperfections over a way more basic texture - Further more, for the most boring textures you can use a stochastic shader and make them look way better, by breaking the patterns, thus making them look more unique and even fixing uneven patterning textures - Finally, they have to improve their file management, if they ship their games with thousands of repeated images in a bunch of different files, obviously, it will bloat fast, they need to define generic textures in tiers and decide which libraries to load based on simple rules. It's a bit hard to explain but basically, don't have a thousand generic_metal_rusty, instead, if that texture is going to be in a thousand objects, pack all the repeated textures from those objects in a library that will load when any of those objects load, then for the unique object specific textures, load the library for that specific object, effectivelly deduplicating textures.
@notnullnotvoid
@notnullnotvoid Жыл бұрын
AAA games already do every single one of the optimizations you listed, and more.
@YOEL_44
@YOEL_44 Жыл бұрын
@@notnullnotvoid Yeah... no. I've been modding games since before I had a computer that could run them, and I can assure you that is not the case at all. I'm not mentioning any new or revolutionary technique, but they're not being used effectivelly, and often they leave some in the table even on 100GB+ games.
@notnullnotvoid
@notnullnotvoid Жыл бұрын
@@YOEL_44 "I've modded games" doesn't work as a credential pull when the person you're talking to is a developer.
@richardlighthouse5328
@richardlighthouse5328 Жыл бұрын
@@notnullnotvoid How do you know?
@YOEL_44
@YOEL_44 Жыл бұрын
@@notnullnotvoid Oh and as a developer you have industry spies on every single AAA studio that has guaranted you that all of their tittles have been optimized with all and every single technique I listed. Well then of course, I have nothing to say there...
@draxrdax7321
@draxrdax7321 Жыл бұрын
As someone that never goes above 1080p, i hate this. What about just releasing separate versions of games with no 4k textures for people that don't care about it? I bet more than half the size of AAA games are just 4k textures.
@noahosborne8581
@noahosborne8581 Жыл бұрын
That would require the devs to put in extra work I am sure. And they all ready skip on putting time into optimization.
@StrokeMahEgo
@StrokeMahEgo Жыл бұрын
Or above 1080 textures can be a free day zero dlc
@rizizum
@rizizum Жыл бұрын
@@noahosborne8581 I don't think it would take that much work, you'd basically just replace all the 4k textures for lower resolution ones
@manos7958
@manos7958 Жыл бұрын
Some games do it, Diablo IV full installation is 84GB but you can choose to not download the 44GB of textures needed for 4k.
@Mystixor
@Mystixor Жыл бұрын
​@@rizizumEven if it takes a single employee just half a day of work, it's enough to make them say "this will also sell without it" and they would be right
@3Gads
@3Gads Жыл бұрын
I was surprised that Monster Hunter World had an optional ultra rez texture pack as a free download. I wish more games allowed higher resolution textures as an optional free download to save on space
@how2pick4name
@how2pick4name Жыл бұрын
My first HDD was 200Mb and Wolfenstein 3D was 1Mb. Now I have a 2 TB SSD and games are 100Gb.
@mikkodoria4778
@mikkodoria4778 Жыл бұрын
Ssd are getting cheaper
@how2pick4name
@how2pick4name Жыл бұрын
@@mikkodoria4778 Cows give milk.
@lritzdorf
@lritzdorf Жыл бұрын
We submit for your consideration: Deep Rock Galactic. It uses well-executed low-poly (but somehow still high-detail) design, and probably also minimal textures, to cram itself into just 3GB! Rock and stone, everyone!
@Faramik2000
@Faramik2000 Жыл бұрын
I was late to the DRG stuff but all my friends were playing it. Was pretty much surprised a game thats so many people are playing is just around 3GB. I thought I had to free up another 20GB to download this game
@gamagama69
@gamagama69 Жыл бұрын
its just stylization vs realism. not every game is or should be low poly.
@Nandrith
@Nandrith Жыл бұрын
Did I hear a Rock and Stone?
@speedforce8970
@speedforce8970 Жыл бұрын
Isn't Deep Rock Galactic procedural? No man's sky is also like 10GB with a massive universe inside because it's procedurally generated.
@TianarTruegard
@TianarTruegard Жыл бұрын
@@Nandrith Rock and Stone!!
@cedden
@cedden Жыл бұрын
Cyberpunk 2077 not even taking 70 Gigabytes is genuinely remarkable then Update: After 2.0 the base game just takes up 57.9 GB of storage instead of the 67.4GB before.
@PickeringSamuel
@PickeringSamuel Жыл бұрын
Have you seen some of the textures in that game? Very blurry
@Random_dud31
@Random_dud31 Жыл бұрын
​@PickeringSamuel only if you are using a 30+in 4k display. Most of us can afford a system that can render it at that settings.
@Rick-vm8bl
@Rick-vm8bl Жыл бұрын
Cyberpunk has a ton of asset reuse and many of the textures are small repeatable layers. Heck some are solid colors.
@PickeringSamuel
@PickeringSamuel Жыл бұрын
@@Random_dud31 most people play on a 3060 lol. I'm on a 4090.
@Triggernlfrl
@Triggernlfrl Жыл бұрын
If you skip the updates....
@Pickelhaube808
@Pickelhaube808 Жыл бұрын
because no time or effort is put into optimization due to immense pressure from management
@jtjames79
@jtjames79 Жыл бұрын
The good news is AI is about to set us free from this problem. AI compression is on an entirely different level. The problem is you need a neural render to take advantage. The good news is there are AIs to help program a neural render. So... Soon 🤔
@Aspecky
@Aspecky Жыл бұрын
That's the real reason, capitalism sucks the fun from our hobbies yet again.
@jolanpiep
@jolanpiep Жыл бұрын
This isn't really true We already use a lot of optimizations because it actually makes our lives faster and easier too. Things like tileable textures and trimsheets save us time, so they're already used. Sure, there are some optimizations that could be implemented with more time, but those wouldn't reduce the final game file size as much as you might imagine. In fact, it would probably make very little difference at all.
@A.Froster
@A.Froster Жыл бұрын
​@@Aspeckygenerally blaming capitalism for anything n°1290
@BrBill
@BrBill Жыл бұрын
@@Aspecky In a way, yes. Nobody wants to pay $200 for a game so that it can be optimized and ultratested.
@kingjasko
@kingjasko Жыл бұрын
another big problem with this is a lot of us still have dsl internet with 20-30mbps download speed and a lot of times 1/10th of that upload speed, downloading a 150gb game takes forever and if i don't limit the download speed, my internet is borderline unusable while im downloading something, so it takes even longer then :(
@oo--7714
@oo--7714 Жыл бұрын
Yea, it takes a few hours even in the uk lol.
@limyarplane1991
@limyarplane1991 Жыл бұрын
20 to 30? i get like 1-2 if im lucky lmao
@Nurse_Xochitl
@Nurse_Xochitl Жыл бұрын
i would kill to have 20 lol (not literally, but you get the point) i'm stuck with 1.5mbps DSL since I live in a rural area.
@adridell
@adridell Жыл бұрын
If only what you said about focusing on performance and graphics fidelity was true and guaranteed by big files, I don't think many would mind, unfortunately we've had to learn the hard way that a game can be big in disk, play poorly and look ugly all at the same time, otherwise it's not funny. It's challenging to be a developer and it is tricky to make a game, but certain standard should be put in place and we still should try to encourage developers to be mindful of game file sizes.
@simplysmiley4670
@simplysmiley4670 11 ай бұрын
Triple A industry went so hard down into the gutter it's not funny anymore. Huge games, expansive marketing, "realistic" graphics, buggy messes on release that get fixed maybe a year later into a barely functioning state if the game doesn't get abandoned, overkill monetization with overpriced skins, pay 2 grind battlepasses, seasonal FOMO content, seas of DLCs and so on. Literally just go over indie titles and AA games if you ever think about getting a triple A game, you're likely gonna save yourself a headache, and your wallet will likely thank you alongside your PC.
@martinutasi7857
@martinutasi7857 Жыл бұрын
Why can't every game do it kinda like Far Crys. The game downloads with 1080P textures at start and if You want to play on higher resolution You have to replace the textures with 1440P ones.
@Alias_Anybody
@Alias_Anybody Жыл бұрын
I think they should give you the option to NOT download 2K and or 4k textures if the PC can only do 1080p anyway.
@Galiant2010
@Galiant2010 Жыл бұрын
That's not exactly how it works. A 4k texture can look blurry on a 720p monitor if the object is big enough in the game that it's stretching out the texture. That's an extreme example. But even on a 1080p screen a 2k or 4k texture can look bad if the object is big enough or you're close enough. Like, a 4k texture on a baseball is going to be hard to tell that it's 4k, vs a 4k texture on a skyscraper that you can walk up to and only see a fraction of the wall on.
@VideoManDan
@VideoManDan Жыл бұрын
I think we just need a game company to make a break-through in textures like Polyphony Digital did with Gran Turismo 3. It was the first game of its kind to look high resolution without exceeding the space limitations of a PS2 disc.
@Pixel_J
@Pixel_J Жыл бұрын
Well Nvidia is working on neural texture compression, looks pretty promising.
@nicholasxuu
@nicholasxuu Жыл бұрын
@@Pixel_J I'd prefer the middle out compression from piped piper.
@Pixel_J
@Pixel_J Жыл бұрын
@@nicholasxuu 😂 Not hotdog. That would rule.
@Magnulus76
@Magnulus76 Жыл бұрын
@@Pixel_J That will be the future. It's basically just an extension to the existing DLSS technology, essentially just a smarter version of JPG.
@last8exile
@last8exile Жыл бұрын
​@@Pixel_J Reserched into that - it only benefits on really crap quality levels and resolution. Also there is HUGE performance hit and requires custom shaders for everything.
@wizardwithsmg
@wizardwithsmg Жыл бұрын
A lot of recent games, the developers seem to not worry about file size OR if the game works right, or even looks good.
@filedotjar
@filedotjar Жыл бұрын
It's typically not the fault of the developers, but instead time constraints from the studio. Executives will choose a release date with little mind to how long the game will actually take to complete, so developers have to crunch to finish the game as fast as possible before release. This leads to a lack of time for optimization and bug fixing, which typically happen later in development but have to be vastly shortened because of limited time. Rather than blaming the game developers, blame the huge studios who forced the developers to release before the game was ready.
@MrBenenator
@MrBenenator Жыл бұрын
@@filedotjar So what you're saying is, the executives need to be legally and personally (not able to hide behind the legal fiction of "company personhood") held responsible for rushing products out the door in an Unfit For Purpose state? I dunno, that sounds like socialism to me. Or, y'know, British, or some other country with less-oligarch-friendly laws.
@CarbonOtter
@CarbonOtter Жыл бұрын
So there's a mix here. Some studios clean up after themselves. Some don't care and just leave duplicate textures and models everywhere (especially by giving each level an asset pack file with everything it needs, dupes be damned). Then there's the new trend of letting automatic optimization take over: shaders compule on the fly but either eat up loads of disk space in shader cache or they don't cache much and your CPU gets bogged down (the reason games like Jedi: Survivor run badly). There are games that exist on console with the whole Low to Ultra gamut of asset variants, knowing full well they only use the High assets or whatnot, and because it costs money to have a guy clean out unused files they make end users take a drive space penalty. This is almost exclusively a publisher degree though and not the dev studio whenever this happens. Just saying, there are games that the teams involved have do e the minimal effort to optimize disk usage, then there are games where they outright do not care about efficiency in disk usage for monetary, timeframe, or lazy (live shader compilation!) reasons. The former is expected of a AAA price tag, and the latter is a studio or publisher seeing their customers as cash stock cattle.
@takao4491
@takao4491 Жыл бұрын
Ubisoft be like
@aleksazunjic9672
@aleksazunjic9672 Жыл бұрын
@@filedotjar It is not the fault of executives either, it is demand of the market. Public demands good looking games now, not in few years . Most people are willing to pay money for better GPU, CPU, RAM and storage , in order to play those non-optimized games.
@bobross9370
@bobross9370 Жыл бұрын
You could have also mentioned the additional textures that layer on top of the Color Map, these also have to be fairly high resolution.
@reeboothemad5514
@reeboothemad5514 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. An additional problem for maps that are not used for the diffuse color is that they need special compression techniques and cannot be compressed as much or neven not at all. Lossy compression usually heavily relies on removing (color) information that our eyes do not see as well as others or by removing details our brains filter out anyways. Many algorithms for example just throw away half of the information in the red an blue channels to save space, because we can perceive a lot more green shades than shades of the other two colors. Textures not used for diffuse colors (like specular, glossiness, normals & displacement) in the game though are not made to be viewed directly, we use them to change material properties of surfaces, so their pixels hold vital information for the shaders used in the game. Hence many classic compression techniques won't work on them. If you use standard jpg or classic DXT compression on a normal map, you'll get a really messed up surface.
@heroes-of-balkan
@heroes-of-balkan Жыл бұрын
What I would add to compression is that it can be slow. You can compress your files and then decompress when you load them, but it takes time, leading to performance penalties.
@_mike
@_mike Жыл бұрын
Here's a handy tech tip for you: if you're running low on storage, consider enabling compression for specific folders, such as game mods. Personally, I use it on my FFXIV mods folder, which has helped me to save around 200 GB out of 500 GB. To enable it, simply right-click on the folder, go to Properties, select Advanced, and check the option "Compress contents to save disk space." It will take a while to apply at first, depending on the folder size and disk speed. Enabling compression won't affect your read speeds negatively, it will even decrease load times on slower drives. While it may theoretically slightly increase the load on your CPU and RAM, the impact is minimal and hardly noticeable on modern systems.
@user-ef8bf5xk9b
@user-ef8bf5xk9b Жыл бұрын
I remember back in the fallout 4 days the game's fps was choppy af- I used a mod that had optimized compressed textures and I could even compress them myself with a mod in under an hour- the difference was literally unnoticable in 1080p; the game's size went down more than 50% and the stuttering was gone; from that day on I cursed the industry for not being able to compress the textures right or implement a way that is less resource-hungry -The worst part is that most of the 'modern games' take up 100s of GBs and still manage to look like something made in ps2 era
@MattproThe
@MattproThe Жыл бұрын
As a 3D artist myself i wasn't expecting Linus to be so accurate about the technicality of textures, but he nailed it. Even if that's not just "the only thing" making game size bigger, it is a big one to deal with, now prepare for "Full nanite high-ress meshes" games in this "next gen" and 250gb+/- game file sizes lol
@yaroslavpanych2067
@yaroslavpanych2067 Жыл бұрын
I mean, it is not really advanced stuff he was speaking about. Also, he is just host, writer is other person, and it is their job to write good stuff.
@chronometer9931
@chronometer9931 Жыл бұрын
​@@yaroslavpanych2067After watching Linus for many many years, I believe he would fully understand. As you said it's not that advanced even
@dodiezero
@dodiezero Жыл бұрын
Hey, I'm aspiring to be a 3D artist. Got any tips on how to optimize assets to be high quality and potato-friendly. Other than retopology or textures?
@CreativityNull
@CreativityNull Жыл бұрын
High res textures and very high quality audio files I believe are the two biggest contributors contributors to overall size. I could be wrong though.
@CreativityNull
@CreativityNull Жыл бұрын
​@@anonym34566 the problem with compressing is that it needs to be decompressed at runtime to be used, which will eat up a ton of CPU power, memory, and potentially cause stuttering or other performance issues even on high tier hardware. It would add an immense amount of complexity to the game engine to optimize and smooth out the decompression. EDIT: Apparently they use dedicated hardware for stuff like this on consoles, but on PC there are some algorithms and instruction sets that work but currently it's not great. There is a lot of development going into that space though.
@notenoughmonkeys
@notenoughmonkeys Жыл бұрын
Kind of genius really. Like many others, I'm always complaining about my Steam Backlog. Can't install more than one game due to space... can't have a backlog. Problem solved.
@nanopi
@nanopi Жыл бұрын
Textures have multiple layers that are used for different things by shaders. Base color, Height, Metallic, Normal, Roughness, Specular, Emissive (these may have different names). Each of these texture types determine some aspect of how something looks. If you want to know more, look up PBR Textures.
@iluvpandas2755
@iluvpandas2755 Жыл бұрын
Very accurate. A fellow Blender user, I presume?
@zami001001
@zami001001 Жыл бұрын
Its not just the size of textures that has sky rocketed in recent years. The graphics processing side of things for ultra realistic side of things has actually made the memory issue significantly worse, since many of the newer techniques use more and more textures than they used to. If we take the boat example, you might have a diffuse map, normal map, roughness map, metal map, emissive map and baked ambient occlusion map, then add in anything special the model might need, in this case a wetness map (generated dynamically in this case most likely) or a displacement map for the sail. In the early days of 3d, when textures begun being used, games would generally only use a single texture for the diffuse on any model, and that was at a significantly lower resolution than today.
@namuzed
@namuzed Жыл бұрын
Efficiently using textures used to also be more of a thing back in the day. Splat maps, texture atlas's, etc...only mobile games bother to optimize anymore.
@oo--7714
@oo--7714 Жыл бұрын
Mobile games look like crap though You are not getting spiderman on a phone
@Magnulus76
@Magnulus76 Жыл бұрын
@@oo--7714 Mobile games can look surprisingly good, it just depends on the developer.
@TheHammerkeg
@TheHammerkeg Жыл бұрын
Not true, those are basic optimizations everybody does nowadays (maybe except texture atlases, there's better approaches now), it's just the amount of textures has increased. A simple basic PBR material has to have three textures, which will equate to probably at least a 2k albedo + 1k normal + 1k Roughness/Metallic/AO, for a relatively realistic looking material.
@oo--7714
@oo--7714 Жыл бұрын
@@Magnulus76 bro they all look like crap let’s not kid ourselves
@krystiano.610
@krystiano.610 Жыл бұрын
2:30 I would like to add something to this - Usually from the user standpoint, when you think about an image compression algorithm you think about jpeg (lossy) or png (lossless) - while they save a lot of space, you usually need to decompress it to access any random pixel. The more complex algorithm, the more computation is needed to do that. Your GPU to render one frame needs to access hundreds of random textures (and pixels) - we can't use there formats like jpeg or tiff or png, as that would simply be too slow for real time use - your GPU would spend more time on decompressing the textures than actually drawing on the screen. GPUs use their own texture formats (which usually have hardware support for on the fly decompression) like DXT or ASTC which generally offer a lot lower quality / size ratio - but have a lots of more important advantages like: constant compression ratio, which makes it easier for the GPU to manage caching, fast decompression and low overhead for random texture access. So for example, DXT5 compressed 4k texture in the memory takes up 16MB of space, and thats even without the mipmaps. For proper PBR lighting, you usually need at least 4 of those textures (Albedo - color of the material, Metallic+Smoothness - surface metallic and smoothness properties, Normal - surface "details", occlusion - indirect light "shadow"). While these textures are also compressed when building the game (they are then extracted during the game load) - you cant cheat the physics, you can't do it as efficiently as algorithms designed for image compression (like jpeg).
@Nabalazs
@Nabalazs Жыл бұрын
Hey! The nintendo switch emulator makers recently talked about how tears of the kingdom uses ASTC textures, which are apparently great due to how well you can compress them. But they also say that its a pain to emulate it because amd and nvidia doesnt have support for it. Weirdly, Intel does. And seeing TOTK's file size kinda speaks for itself. Sure, in game you do see that textures are still low rez and compressed AF, yet somehow they retain their charm. Why dont desktop GPUs support all the formats? Surely it wouldnt take much effort for devs to just convert textures to whatever format for a game? And suddenly you saved disk space?
@richardlighthouse5328
@richardlighthouse5328 Жыл бұрын
What BS are you talking about? Compressed textures are decompressed at startup once and GPU will only access decompressed raw pixels on (V)RAM.
@MartinBarker
@MartinBarker Жыл бұрын
@@richardlighthouse5328 i was going to say something like that, for starters your never accessing random pixels in a game engine, and secondly you can hold decompressed images in memory, VRAM, Shared RAM or now with Direct Storage 1.1 the GPU can decompress so you could even use block based compression to lower the read from the NVME
@krystiano.610
@krystiano.610 Жыл бұрын
@@MartinBarker @richardlighthouse5328 For me you both have misunderstanding about how the GPU rendering works. Firstly - GPU keeps textures in VRAM in their compressed state, all of the compressing algorithms I mentioned were designed to be read directly from their compressed form. Keeping uncompressed textures in the VRAM would fill it up almost instantaneously e.g. (without mipmaps) DXT5 compressed 1k texture weights 1MB in the memory, uncompressed 4MB. 2k compressed 4MB, uncompressed 16MB. 4k texture compressed 16MB, uncompressed 64MB etc. I guess what you meant is additional compression (like LZMA) which as you can read above - I mentioned, these assets are unpacked during the game load, however the texture is still in its compressed format (ofc if developer wants the texture to be raw, he can do that, but nobody does this without a reason). As for random access - GPU is most of the accessing the texture in random places - you don't usually draw entire model on the screen. If you only see front of the model, back is culled (not rendered) - texture pixels which won't be rendered won't be accessed. Additionally, models have texture coordinates called UV - which points texture coordinate at the triangle edge - these are defined by 3D artist and most of the time aren't defined in the sequential order. GPUs are actually quite smart in that regards, as there is feature called texture prefetching, which based on the UV coords in the mesh is able to predict what parts of the texture will be read and preload them to the cache before accessing them in the shader. So to sum up, GPU needs to access random pixels at any point of time, reads aren't sequential, so you can't use compression algorithms used in pngs or tiffs, which need to decompress previous data to read current pixel.
@Magnulus76
@Magnulus76 Жыл бұрын
That's not how texture compression works on the PC. Texture compression has minimal performance impact.
@NekokunPlays
@NekokunPlays Жыл бұрын
One thing I would like to mention is that .png is often overlooked, because it's true features are rarely advertised. .png is a lossless format, and you can compress it further by up to 90%, completely losslessly. In my own personal experience, A texture atlas I was working with, thanks to .png compression, went from 49MB down to 12MB.
@theBabyDead
@theBabyDead Жыл бұрын
However, compression does still always mean calculations. ie; Performance loss for space saving. If it really was that simple, they would've fixed that within an engine already so they'd never have to think about it again. But the reality is that compression = performance.
@NekokunPlays
@NekokunPlays Жыл бұрын
@@theBabyDead realistically speaking, as long as you compress out of engine it is no longer of concern. compressing within the engine is where it gets messy
@theBabyDead
@theBabyDead Жыл бұрын
@@NekokunPlays but it still needs to get decompressed at some point, no?
@NekokunPlays
@NekokunPlays Жыл бұрын
@@theBabyDead Only if you compress it within the engine
@theBabyDead
@theBabyDead Жыл бұрын
@@NekokunPlays right. But that means you just deliver compressed textures then, right? Which means lower quality, no?
@YumeNeuron
@YumeNeuron Жыл бұрын
I always been preaching there need to be separate texture files for 720p, 1080p, 2K and 4K. On the eco side would save plenty global network traffic and energy too.
@hubertnnn
@hubertnnn Жыл бұрын
720p is no longer needed. Its a dying format (says me from a 720p laptop, oh irony). Most modern games will not run on PCs that are old / low tier enough to be only 720p.
@YumeNeuron
@YumeNeuron Жыл бұрын
@@hubertnnn There are still low PC budget builds can benefit with 720p, is sure less hassle for devs to just release 1080p as standard since players can downtune to to 720p anyway. But mobile devices also use 720p textures so not quite a dying format yet.
@oo--7714
@oo--7714 Жыл бұрын
​​​​@@YumeNeuron no even phones don't run games in 720p, it 900p usually, lot of games run higher like pubg mobile at 1440p at max settings. Come on 720p gaming is dead.
@Pasi123
@Pasi123 Жыл бұрын
@@oo--7714 Steam Deck has a 1280x800 display (16:10 version of 720p) and last time I checked it was quite popular, definitely not something I'd call dead. A lot of games on phones like Genshin Impact runs at around 720p even if your phone had a 1440p or 4K display
@steemlenn8797
@steemlenn8797 Жыл бұрын
@@Pasi123 Genshin is a bad example since it slows down to bloody 20fps even on a PC if you stand where there are 5 trees. It's like they real time calculate every leaf that isn't even there!
@josephhfry
@josephhfry Жыл бұрын
Anyone know if there are game engines that will accept SVG textures. Seems to me that they would solve the size issue anywhere they were practical. Layering SVG's with transparency could allow some pretty cool optimizations too. For example, an SVG of a road texture, with a layer that adds road markings, and another that adds tire wear or cracks... all infinitely scalable.
@hinuiiik
@hinuiiik Жыл бұрын
I'm not a game dev, but more complicated SVG files will take a performance hit compared to PNG files. GPUs prefer bitmaps to vectors. You might be fine in smaller games without realistic textures, but at that point, you probably won't be saving too much space by going with SVG compared to PNG.
@jolanpiep
@jolanpiep Жыл бұрын
The way current render engines work mean that vector based images like SVG either don't work or are extremely performance intensive. We rely on pixels. Also SVG files are great for logos and stuff, but terrible for realistic textures.
@jolanpiep
@jolanpiep Жыл бұрын
Also programs that create textures (like SUbstance Painter and Designer) are designer for raster images, not vector images. Basically, vector images are entirely incompatible with game production as it is.
@randommisha13
@randommisha13 Жыл бұрын
It's cool idea and I certainly have heard about such things but it is not very different from aforementioned procedural textures - it would take some processing power to rasterize them, though not as much.
@Tara_Li
@Tara_Li Жыл бұрын
SVGs are not that good at producing photorealistic textures. Unless the SVG simply stores the bitmapped texture as a part of it, at which point you're adding the SVG container overhead to a texture you might as well have just stored straight.
@williamjktkd
@williamjktkd Жыл бұрын
I always said 2tbs is the lowest you should buy for gaming when buying your m.2 drive.
@Magusslettewestberg
@Magusslettewestberg Жыл бұрын
2TB is really cheap now too especially budget ones.
@M1szS
@M1szS Жыл бұрын
2 terabits per second? maybe 2tb drive, but i agree, i also recently bought a m.2 2tb ssd, not only i wanted to make sure i always have enough space, but it was the best value one
@Phoenix88203
@Phoenix88203 Жыл бұрын
4tb Gen4 NVME drives are now under $100. There’s really no excuse anymore for not having more storage.
@williamjktkd
@williamjktkd Жыл бұрын
@@Phoenix88203 dont know where youre getting $100 but you can get a crucial rn for $200 and at best buy which is what I paid for my 2tb about a year and a half ago.
@Nanonthemaster
@Nanonthemaster Жыл бұрын
@@M1szS if you want to be a smartass, do it right. tbs would be terabyte times second not per second. :)
@bloopbloop9687
@bloopbloop9687 Жыл бұрын
I would assume for the same reason they became so much more processor intensive, simply because people have more of it, storage and processing power have become plentiful, and cheaper. Game devs are just growing into the space they have available to them
@tylerdean980
@tylerdean980 Жыл бұрын
And that’s why the web is so unoptimizable
@nerdyneedsalife8315
@nerdyneedsalife8315 Жыл бұрын
@@tylerdean980 That and people are overworked and underpaid to crunch out an unoptimized website. Sure you can make a similar website with less JS while utilizing base HTML5 code but people want their website to look good instead of running well
@simplysmiley4670
@simplysmiley4670 11 ай бұрын
Adn in the end only top tier PCs can handle their games, and still not well either. Have you ever checked how many modern triple A games actually come out functioning without empty promises of fixing it later when they are done milking out cash and prolly abandoning their live service always online game anyway?
@Hanky.SSCorp
@Hanky.SSCorp Жыл бұрын
Prioritizing "photorealism" is one of the worst trends in modern gaming. Just make a good game and it will last longer than the graphics
@marcello3159
@marcello3159 Жыл бұрын
It’s the same with all other resources today: RAM requirements also rose significantly over the last years with actually 12-16GB needed as minimum configuration for AAA-titles. GFX the same, namely Vulcan which is nice to have but not really needed for mainstream players. Also some CPU-architecture requirements came along, which also increases quality and/or performance only for a few players. Unfortunately developers don‘t care much about restrictions that some players may have. Not every gamer is able to constantly increase RAM, GFX, Storage or CPU-Power in addition to games that actually cost 70+ bucks. But it‘s not only an issue in the games development. Even standard software (e.g. some browsers) is actually wasting resources because no one cares and efficient programming doesn‘t seem to be some kind of a holy grail anymore.
@Nurse_Xochitl
@Nurse_Xochitl Жыл бұрын
thank you for saying that. i love you! the same can also be said about internet connections. i live in a rural area and i am stuck with 1.5mbps DLS because my ISP holds a monopoly and can basically neglect their customers.
@cjeelde
@cjeelde Жыл бұрын
The hardware will always improve with time. That's why developers don't care so much about "yesterday's hardware". Because pretty soon "tomorrow's hardware" will become mainstream. 100 GB for one single game will become a smaller and smaller problem with time thanks to larger and larger HDDs and SSDs. It's a great thing that Sony added a M.2 slot in PS5 for an additional (internal) SSD.
@marcello3159
@marcello3159 Жыл бұрын
@@cjeelde it was about significantly increasing hardware requirements although a lot of gamers don‘t need the improvements (just Look through the comments). Most of the additional resources only help to improve quality from 80 to 100%, however 80% would be ok for most players. Sometimes it‘s even unnoticable because e.g. limitations of the human eye would make fps-rates far beyond 120 almost irrelevant. The Same would be valid for textures, when most of the gamers are not using 4k-displays. A lot of games already offer different setups or startup-parameters reflecting different hardware-configurations. This should be the way to include all gamers- not only those that have time and money to upgrade their systems all the time.
@cjeelde
@cjeelde Жыл бұрын
@@marcello3159 but this is the reality. These jumps in resolution will require much more from the hardware. We will get there. It's just a question about time. In a few years you gonna thank the developers that they targeted for 4K back in 2022-2023. Nintendo is still only targeting 1080p (or lower). That's another story. But Nintendo will also jump on to the 4K train sooner or later. It's a question about time and money.
@canyongoat2096
@canyongoat2096 Жыл бұрын
Yes efficiency has been thrown out of the window in the past 5-6 years generally. I still don't know why even mobile phone chat apps and social media apps need to take up 250-350mb of space. Photoshop CS5 used to take up about 500mb with a lot more features than social media apps. It also got to over 1.3gb these days for some reason, despite having hardly any noticable upgrades (more like changes/fixes) compared to CS5. Weird times.
@stonebubbleprivat
@stonebubbleprivat Жыл бұрын
When you compare open source software to proprietary software you see a big difference in space because open source projects have higher standards in code quality. Just textures is the easiest and boring answer but there are more reasons
@simplysmiley4670
@simplysmiley4670 11 ай бұрын
High quality textures make for fancier screenshots and trailers which are easier to sell then a functioning game nowadays apparently.
@mephesto2004
@mephesto2004 Жыл бұрын
In your example of the wall, most people don't realize it's more than one texture. Materials will have a diffuse or albedo, normals, specular map, metelness, etc all these textures are compiled into one material or the brick wall.
@SlitDiver
@SlitDiver Жыл бұрын
Minecraft with shaders, high resolution texture pack, and 200 mods is still only 20-30 gigs. Thats is pretty respectable considering most games start out that size
@Yemto
@Yemto Жыл бұрын
I would like if there was an option to download textures suitable for 4k or other resolutions when installing/downloading the game. But, I could also see how that would be a waste as more and more people play in 4k.
@Anankin12
@Anankin12 Жыл бұрын
Actually less than 3% of the Steam surveyed people even have a 4K monitor attached to their system. And the trend is stable if not slightly downwards. Just because you and your rich friends all recently got 4K monitors, doesn't mean the rest of the world is.
@Anankin12
@Anankin12 Жыл бұрын
Even 1440p is basically unheard of for most people, at less than 17%. Less than 1 in 5 people has anything above 1080p, EVEN in multi monitor and ultrawide setups it's basically all 1080p with different aspect ratios. And I don't think this is because of monitor pricing, rather GPU capabilities. If you have a 1440p monitor, you need a 3060 to play fucking Skyrim. Basically you need a 2070 Super, 3060 Ti and up, and those are expensive af even now (cheapest used one at 350€, new above 400€). And the new stuff you require a 6800XT, 6900XT, 6950XT, 3080 12GB, 3090, 3090 Ti, 4080, 4080, 4090, 7900 and 7900XT. Some rare game runs reliably well at high settings on A770 LE and 6700XT. 4070, 4070 Ti, 3070, 3070 Ti, 3080 10GB would have the power to do so, but they're memory limited. And even if they weren't, they're still expensive AF. I could go out tomorrow and buy a decent 1440p monitor for 250€, but I won't do that because then I would have to upgrade my 3060 12GB to a 600€ 4070 or 6950XT, which will be then limited by my PCIe Gen 3 mobo so I would need to also upgrade that for another 130 to 200€. Basically doing the switch to a basic 1440p screen would cost me an extra 700€ in upgrades just to reach 60 fps reliably. You see how that's unsustainable and/or not worth it for most?
@Yemto
@Yemto Жыл бұрын
@@Anankin12 I'm sorry, I believed was trending upwards because from what I seen on KZbin. Also, rich? I wish, I still play on 1080p and of last week finally managed to upgrade from my GTX 780.
@Anankin12
@Anankin12 Жыл бұрын
@@Yemto very happy for you mate 🔥, also sorry about the assumption. I made it because I've seen this exact comment made by people who run a 13900KS or 7950X3D and 4090 with insane everything, who talk about how everyone they know is getting into 4K gaming and they don't see how anyone could ever play at anything less. This happens a lot, which is why I jumped to conclusions.
@drabberfrog
@drabberfrog Жыл бұрын
Hey, at least Microsoft flight simulator streams the data for the terrain, trees, and buildings from their servers. Otherwise the game would be thousands of terabytes.
@hubertnnn
@hubertnnn Жыл бұрын
OMG, and I was wondering why it runs like crap.
@RurouTube
@RurouTube Жыл бұрын
It is a combination of several things. While it is true that texture optimization does contribute but it doesn't contribute as much as people might think it is. Like the video said, yes, higher screen resolution does give large contribution to the increasing texture size but that is not the only thing that increase the overall texture budget. The move to realistic material increase texture budget since a texture will be accompanied by like 3 to 4 other textures (for normal, roughness, etc), also a lot of big games have less repetitive texture, and not only that but also layered material (so an object might have several material on it like base material, decals, dirt). Basically creating realistic look without looking repetitive requires a lot of textures. And no, baking the texture only increase the texture size since those layered material ended up creating random look, thus when baked you ended up with probably unique texture for all surface. Anyway, the desire for creating this kind of look also contribute to this shader compilation problem. Having said that, you can definitely create a game that still looks good with a lot less texture budget and also reducing/removing shader compilation problem by carefully managing and reusing assets, but obviously this will have less creative freedom. Personally I don't mind PS3 era style shader just with increased texture resolution, higher polygon budget, higher resolution, better lighting. While current gen games with realistic material does indeed look... realistic but I prefer games that can run smooth and not having shader compilation problem or having to wait for the shader to be compiled. Something like FF13 but with increased everything except for material shader complexity is good enough for me. Or maybe something like the latest Zelda game with the same treatment. But then Digital Foundry will probably bash that kind of visual for AAA games since it will be on current gen console and PC but look like last gen visual even if it runs really great since last gen visual can only get a pass if it is on Switch. Imagine FF16 with FF13 material shaders. Even if because of that it can run at 60FPS stable with higher resolution, I can guarantee you that they will say it looks like last gen and will ended up with them less pleased with the graphics.
@stal2281
@stal2281 Жыл бұрын
3:20 That's why I think .kkrieger is a great proof of concept. A really great example of a demogroup from Germany. A first person shooter with it's own engine in only 96 kb. A screenshot of the game would be several times it's size.
@darnell8897
@darnell8897 Жыл бұрын
Texture decompression seems like an ideal candidate for offloading to an auxilary GPU the way you could select a PhysX device in the past.
@SelecaoOfMidas
@SelecaoOfMidas Жыл бұрын
As far as audio goes, it's not like you need Waveform files for everything. Using Opus or Vorbis will work well for lossless audio in small file sizes, and Opus supports spatial audio. But, if the devs decide to go the Dolby Atmos route, these are definitely of no use.
@LaPollaAtomica
@LaPollaAtomica Жыл бұрын
So let's do some math for dialogue. Skyrim had 60,000 lines at launch, all voiced. Let's assume for the sake of argument that it averages 10 words per line, so 600,000 words about. Average speech is about 130 WPM, so approximately 4,615 minutes (about 3.2 days worth) of speech, totaling about 276,923 seconds. We'll use 24 kbps, Opus's wiki recommendation for podcasts and audiobooks, and we get 6.46 GB for just audio. That's over half of vanilla Skyrim's install size of 12 GB. Now, I don't know what the actual bitrate for Skyrim is or even if I correctly estimated the total length of time but this is one of the main problems with game audio. With compression (which also takes processing power to decompress) you're really just taking a bitrate*running time for audio files and that adds up.
@TribalSMD
@TribalSMD Жыл бұрын
@@LaPollaAtomica 276,923 seconds of uncompressed wav audio is still at least 24 GB.
@TheRealEclipse1
@TheRealEclipse1 Жыл бұрын
I always appreciated when you have the option to download high resolution textures as an addon or something. Sometimes, those will be bigger than the game itself.
@FabricioZuccherato
@FabricioZuccherato Жыл бұрын
That's why cel shading is a great solution for today. Games like Hades look stunning, have almost 0 loading times and takes so little space for using no textures at all.
@naota3k
@naota3k Жыл бұрын
0:14 why is their "minimum" CPU requirement an i7, but "recommended" an i5? Did the 4 generations make *that* big of a difference?
@Mike-Et-Cetera
@Mike-Et-Cetera Жыл бұрын
Yes it did, very much so.
@naota3k
@naota3k Жыл бұрын
@@Mike-Et-Cetera Wow! I tend not to pay much attention to the i5 line, but that's pretty impressive.
@manos7958
@manos7958 Жыл бұрын
Probably because the game isn't performing adequately on I5 7600k that is about 15% slower than that I7.
@canyongoat2096
@canyongoat2096 Жыл бұрын
@@naota3k If you check benchmarks like passmark (cpubenchmark), you can see the i5 11600k actually having more than double the score of the older i7 shown.
@Hezkun
@Hezkun Ай бұрын
i5s these days have like 12 cores
@jolanpiep
@jolanpiep Жыл бұрын
I see a lot of people in the comments yelling confidently without knowing anything about game development 😂 We can't 'just optimize' with more time. Textures don't get smaller the more time we spend on them. Sure, there are optimization methods that aren't always applied for the sake of time, but if you think those would half your game size on disk, you're sadly mistaken. Besides, we already use a lot of texture optimization because it makes our life easier as well. Having massive unique textures for everything actually makes our job harder, so we already use things like tileable texture, trimsheets, and atlases regularly to speed up workflow and reduce file sizes.
@NickyXD97R
@NickyXD97R Жыл бұрын
This^. Like, what do people actually mean when they say “they should just learn how to optimize games”? Textures, Audio, Animation, localizations and for PC the different hardware types. Also got to take into account the different engines and how they handle data, whether that be Unreal, Unity or proprietary by studios like SnowDrop, Dunia, RE Engine. Also whats the target for the game on an art and performance level too? Are we trying to hit 4K 120 or is that a nice to have? There so much going on there that a lot of people miss.
@jolanpiep
@jolanpiep Жыл бұрын
@@NickyXD97R Lazy developers, amiright?!
@bruhder5854
@bruhder5854 Жыл бұрын
Bad compression is usually the biggest reason. Repeated assets due to storage speed limitations (especially with hdd) being a secondary.
@GhostOfSnuffles
@GhostOfSnuffles Жыл бұрын
Dev teams such as Bethesda will use full 2-4k textures for things like gradients and normal maps. Instead of dividing textures by their type (eg .dds .n-dds) and scaling up only the base texture files to improve image resolution they'll bulk scale up everything then throw it all into a single download file out of sheer laziness. For Skyrim and Fallout 4 about 60% of the high resolution texture files can't even be rendered by the game so you're holding onto dozens of gigs of useless data. That's why optimized texture mods exist that can cut down game file size and speed up the games load times without sacrificing resolution.
@LlywellynOBrien
@LlywellynOBrien Жыл бұрын
I think for stores like steam etc. There should just be different downloads which you could pick based on your screen. So if you are playing at 1080, 1440 or 4k you can choose the best one for you.
@Gabriel87100
@Gabriel87100 Жыл бұрын
"Developers are far more concerned with making the game look good and run well..." Aw, linus, don't make me laugh with these jokes!
@RaxXxvell
@RaxXxvell Жыл бұрын
i think cod started not compressing their sound files anymore and suddenly their games went from 5-15 to 50 GB. I'm pretty sure this also had a measurable impact on their sales, because you wouldn't believe it, but some people think bigger disk space games are better than the ones who need less. Now they're even over 150 GB and they don't really have any reason to make it smaller, when they get more sales from it. Plus they have an easier time programming the game in the first place without compression. Guess a win win for developers and a reason why nvmes got so cheap. everyone needs a lot of em.
@ataksnajpera
@ataksnajpera Жыл бұрын
Most textures in games are already compressed using S3 Texture Compression. Audio is in mp3 or OGG Vorbis (free) format. Cut-scenes are in many cases just a video files using BINK compression.
@StrokeMahEgo
@StrokeMahEgo Жыл бұрын
TLDW: Size doesn't matter, but how you use it does.
@GregorGonzalez
@GregorGonzalez Жыл бұрын
I was surprised when installing Diablo4 they had an option for downloading 4k textures. So the game was like 45gb and extra 40gb if you choose 4k texture
@maxis_scott_engie_maximov_jr
@maxis_scott_engie_maximov_jr Жыл бұрын
As much as I like crispy sharp textures I do _not_ want them taking up 50% of the entire game size That's why I recommend going for distribution maps, simple black&white image that blends two shaders together, or a highres repeating texture combined with a lowres details texture, for example highres bricks and lowres moss That's what I use in my Blender projects alongside procedural materials and instead of having 58mb file with packed textures I have a 6,5mb file with 11mb total of external distribution maps with procedurals inside the file And really devs need to start looking into ways to optimize the games, I'm tired of them just increasing the size constantly and giving up optimization, for peck's sake use Vertex Colors, use Distribution Maps, use lowres textures for broader details, *_optimize your goddamn game for peck's sake_* And I'm saying this as a lowend player that really shouldn't have his PC running, it's an old PC with A8-7600 and no GPU yet I can clearly tell when a game is actually optimized in performance and size
@canyongoat2096
@canyongoat2096 Жыл бұрын
Yeah it seems like in some old games from the 2005-2010's era they had multiple layer of textures, like solid color or high res bigger texture, then a repeating seamless (usually randomly rotated so it looks "procedural"). Now they just pack everything into pre-baked texture maps, with scratches/small details etc. which take up more space and also need generally higher resolution for the small details to be visible from close.
@pixel3000nerd
@pixel3000nerd Жыл бұрын
I'm honestly less worried about taking up space on my storage drive since they've been getting cheap and especially during sales. But more so annoyed by the fact that games are taking up 10+ GB of VRAM. Same concept can be applied here, sure, make games look pretty. But doesn't help that GPUs of this amount of VRAM go well over $700. At least on NVIDIA's side
@mrlightwriter
@mrlightwriter Жыл бұрын
Well, the 3060 costs significantly less than $700...
@HeisenbergFam
@HeisenbergFam Жыл бұрын
Cant wait to see 500 Terabytes games in 2030 that will take forever to download
@jai_sion
@jai_sion Жыл бұрын
Not with this new 2030 Samsung A.I. Evo SSD WITH 1.5 TERABYES OF DOWNLOAD speed Rate per second 🤣🤣🤣
@MarcSpctr
@MarcSpctr Жыл бұрын
Imagine a future, where all the textures are procedurally generated
@Ale-bj7nd
@Ale-bj7nd Жыл бұрын
That's fire
@YOEL_44
@YOEL_44 Жыл бұрын
Blobs everywhere
@Kelsteev
@Kelsteev Жыл бұрын
Best thing about D4 is that they gave you the option to not install the 4k texture pack, took up half the space it originally would have
@RolandHazoto
@RolandHazoto Жыл бұрын
I scrolled down to say this. 4k textures should be an optional download and not forced on players until 1080p dies out.
@TheBaitos
@TheBaitos 7 ай бұрын
I had an idea a while back. If one were to have all textures in a vector based format like SVG, you would only need one texture for LOD instead of multiple. It would also allow for textures to become infinitely detailed at any size. There would be some hurdles in making it render in real time, and saving space probably won't happen this way, but for future proofing your textures and doing LOD related tasks it would be an interesting experiment at least.
@Tomtycoon
@Tomtycoon Жыл бұрын
And then Nintendo comes in with Zelda TOTK, a giant game at only 16gb
@BrBill
@BrBill Жыл бұрын
1080p for the win
@oo--7714
@oo--7714 Жыл бұрын
It is a mobile game, PUBG mobile takes up more storage on my iPad Pro, so does genshin impact.
@ProjectPhysX
@ProjectPhysX Жыл бұрын
Not buying this. Looks more like game studios don't even profile their game files and textures for size/importance, and instead just throw 100GB dog food onto their customers. When did that become acceptable to ship such poorly optimized games?
@guywholovemaps1591
@guywholovemaps1591 11 ай бұрын
As a person who plays Paradox interactive games, this is one reason why I like paradox so much
@unitedstatesofamerica9239
@unitedstatesofamerica9239 Жыл бұрын
I miss the bygone days when developers had to think of creative ways to work around limited hardware, cramming their games that seem HUGE in mere megabytes of storage. They must have really struggled, but they powered through it anyway because they cared more about their games being playable than having them look amazing. I'm a developer myself, so I understand the struggle they went through, as well as the freedom they must feel now to be able to fully express their vision on more capable hardware. I just feel like they should tone it down a bit and start thinking about how not everyone is going to have a premium gaming PC just to be able to play a game that's F2P.
@JohnSmith-xq1pz
@JohnSmith-xq1pz Жыл бұрын
All those patches really add up, don't they? Edit to add (becouse some don't seem to get it's a joke...) /s
@INeatFreak
@INeatFreak Жыл бұрын
Well, not really. Most patches affect the code, not the textures & audio unless it's an content update with new guns, maps etc.
@JohnSmith-xq1pz
@JohnSmith-xq1pz Жыл бұрын
^ /S needed?
@MrSevenup14
@MrSevenup14 Жыл бұрын
Doesn’t work like that It’s not like the patches stacked over each other Every patch overwrites the previous one
@kainoa82858
@kainoa82858 Жыл бұрын
I seriously think more game engines and modeling software should add support for AV1/AVIF/JXL images as textures, as they can store a lot more lossless data with less space, and especially JXL is very easy for both GPUs and CPUs to decode.
@Aldsomegaming
@Aldsomegaming Жыл бұрын
Using av1 will be really grrat for amd cards i think :o
@KeinNiemand
@KeinNiemand Жыл бұрын
AV1 and AVIF are just real efficient lossy codecs, it's not lossless.
@Grizz0220
@Grizz0220 19 күн бұрын
I’m not speaking for everyone else, but I would 100% be willing to sacrifice stunning graphics to have much more storage space. It’s cool, but not worth it. I mean Black Ops 6 will take 310 GB of storage, so I probably won’t even be able to use it at all without spending hundreds of dollars on another expansion card. Developers are pouring all their time and money into making games more realistic looking, but not spending enough time to make them meaningful. That’s the problem with most games today. Some of the best games ever have terrible graphics, but they were always enjoyable to play and had a meaningful experience, yet took up such little storage.
@theworkshopwhisperer.5902
@theworkshopwhisperer.5902 Жыл бұрын
I've seen a lot of people saying. "Do I have to install maximum resolution texture packs if I'm ever only ever going to be playing on low settings?"... I would assume the system would work something like downloading it as a launcher. When you run the launcher it asks you what you want your graphical settings you would like how much space they would take up along with expected performance on your hardware. You then finalise your settings and it downloads just the specific texture quality that you wanted. As developers have already demonstrated how they can break off 4K texture packs why can't they break off some of the other higher tier texture packs as well. It would also give space saving options. If you just need to free up the small amount of space in your drive you could set graphical quality to minimum effectively half uninstalling the game.
@aesop2733
@aesop2733 Жыл бұрын
They should release more games as 1440 and then you can optionally download the 4k texture pack. They make so many 4k games but most people are still rocking 1080 or 1440. I feel like that would be a consumer friendly compromise but it doesn't exactly incentivize people to upgrade and surely that's all these companies really care about.
@Nurse_Xochitl
@Nurse_Xochitl Жыл бұрын
release as 720p then offer multiple higher resolutions as multiple DLCs. this way the new handheld devices which only have integrated graphics and lower resolution screens don't suffer as much, plus people with normal non-gaming PCs (or even old gaming PCs) may play with better performance or at least more stable/consistent performance. also people in rural areas with bad internet don't have to suffer as many hours of downloading.
@PurpleBlueHairedYoutuber
@PurpleBlueHairedYoutuber Жыл бұрын
When I run out of space on my phone, its like I have to uninstall apps in order to have more space but because it's a smaller device, more space is taken up.
@Elheru42
@Elheru42 Жыл бұрын
Back in the golden days of the 90s I had a flight simulator WW2 combat game called Battle of Britain. You could take off from airfields all around Britain and France, fly dozens of different planes and engage in air combat and bombing runs. It was great fun. The whole game, including a pretty empty but purposeful mapped out Europe, and all the saved game files, fit on and played from a 1.44mb disk. As I saw games bloom to 100mb, 1gb, 10gb, 100gb I will always remember this wonderful little game that packed so much into so little space.
@Nurse_Xochitl
@Nurse_Xochitl Жыл бұрын
that sounds amazing, kinda like .kkrieger which also pack a lot in a tiny package
@DPete27
@DPete27 Жыл бұрын
Would like to see more selectable options in the install. Opt out of lossless audio. Opt out of high res textures (since depending on your resolution and quality settings they may not be used anyway). Etc etc.
@kristhebard
@kristhebard Жыл бұрын
As a game designer, one of the issues is the pipeline currently prefers churning out content vs. actually optimizing said textures. Automatic unwraps of objects don’t always do the best job of optimizing space, and some developers will just use larger texture files vs re-optimizing files. There’s very little reason to do so- people almost never consider “size of game download” as a factor when choosing what game to buy, and on pcs especially, space is relatively cheap to upgrade.
@krisbright3227
@krisbright3227 Жыл бұрын
Not true actually. There are many people who consider the size of a game download and whether or not they have to uninstall multiple games to install a new one. Especially those who live in poorer countries.
@rabidwallaby84
@rabidwallaby84 Жыл бұрын
We should switch to mathematically generated textures & offload some of the load to the CPU, since it typically is used much less than the GPU is nowadays.
@hubertnnn
@hubertnnn Жыл бұрын
Wrong, CPU is used a lot in modern games. It depends on the game, in brainded game like CoD CPU is almost unused. In a strategy game CPU is used significantly. In a simulation game CPU is used more than GPU.
@notnullnotvoid
@notnullnotvoid Жыл бұрын
It's still very common, and will continue to be common, for games to be CPU limited, and you'd probably want to generate procedural textures on the GPU anyway if you can. Besides, procedural textures are highly situational. Most textures can't really be procedurally generated.
@zsombor_99
@zsombor_99 Жыл бұрын
Also, if someone modding a game, its size can increase even more and more, compared to the original game ‒ game updates can increase the size over time as well. Sadly, in this modern age, games not just want money when someone buys them, but they want more and more storage to even be able to install.
@H4KnSL4K
@H4KnSL4K Жыл бұрын
Idea: They should have options to customize the game download. Like let's say you don't have a 4k display, or you turn down the graphics settings such that you don't need all that data. Or, you're on an older laptop and you just don't have that much space. Select the 'light' config, and get a 2GB game install instead of a 200GB install for the 'deluxe' choice.
@ArtemDzhadzha
@ArtemDzhadzha Жыл бұрын
An AI-based compression logic will come soon, so don't worry :) in combination with SSDs getting cheaper, that won't be an issue. And it has always been like that. I remember when Doom II came out, it was about 18-20 MB as far as I remember. The typical HDDs were around 120-200 MB, maybe 400MB. So it's the same 5-10% of disk space.
@Kaenguruu
@Kaenguruu Жыл бұрын
Still, when I already pay 60 to 70 bucks for a single game and then might have to uninstall another one or buy a new ssd to have it is pretty shit - especially if you live in a country (like me, germany in this case) that has relatively slow internet speeds.
@morxemplum
@morxemplum Жыл бұрын
No need for AI. I mean JPEG XL has been around for a few years now, and offers much better compression than current JPEG. All that matters is it needs more adoption.
@GSBarlev
@GSBarlev Жыл бұрын
Haha, from what I've seen AI is primarily being used the other way: to generate high-resolution textures from low-res ones. I'm not taking about FSR/DLSS, I'm taking about fans creating their own "HD remasters" of games like FFVIII by running the original assets through Stable Diffusion and similar.
@TuTAH_1
@TuTAH_1 Жыл бұрын
@@GSBarlev You saw how AI upscale low-size images that weren't build to be upscaled with AI. Now imagine how good the AI compression will be, if images are build for be upscaled with AI. That's not how AI compreassion really works, but I hope you get the idea.
@ArtemDzhadzha
@ArtemDzhadzha Жыл бұрын
@@Kaenguruu I feel you. In my recent PC I had 1TB EVO Plus SSD and I ran out of space very very quick. So when I recently upgraded it to the latest components (about 2 mo. ago), I decided to also order an additional superfast 2TB WD Black which was $149 here in the US before taxes (today $139), and I plan to buy two more and get rid of 1TB Samsung. There are much cheaper but slower options for 2TB if money is the priority. But in general yes, I had some games like Horizon already bought half a year ago but waiting to download because I didn't want to uninstall anything :)
@superbit415
@superbit415 Жыл бұрын
Here's a radical idea, why not make the Hi-res textures and more importantly Hi-res audio an optional download, thus saving a lot of people around 50% of the space.
@aoeu256
@aoeu256 Жыл бұрын
More like 60-75% of size
@dany_fg
@dany_fg Жыл бұрын
before installation is complete there should be a resolution option to download the game at that you can later change (it will download the new res and delete the previous one).
@kukukachu
@kukukachu Жыл бұрын
0:40 all video games should do what Capcom did with Monster Hunter World. Texture packs should be a separate option. Not everyone cares about the fine details and developers should respect that.
@NLRikkert
@NLRikkert Жыл бұрын
Short answer, because most people prefer fancy graphics over high fps and innovative gameplay mechanics. If we could go back to early 2000s graphics at 1440p/4K and stable 144fps (even on consoles), I'd be first in line. Also alot of devs are super lazy to optimize anything..
@MrLaeddis1
@MrLaeddis1 Жыл бұрын
Why do games force me to download audio files for languages I don't speak? Stupid.
@SpitterChan
@SpitterChan Жыл бұрын
I don't mind getting multiple languages for a game, I currently speak 3 languages included Spanish (My mother tongue language) but my Portuguese isn't B1, just A2, I took the Brazilian Portuguese.
@Leonniclass
@Leonniclass Жыл бұрын
+ PBR materials are used = even more texture files +multiplayer games come with a load of skins that also require many textures of course
@Protog3n_pd2
@Protog3n_pd2 Жыл бұрын
This is why i play risk of rain 2, Crypt of the NecroDancer and DRG only: both games have lots of content, and extremely light
@RazoRaptor93
@RazoRaptor93 Жыл бұрын
Eg: Low Textures (1k) = 20GB Medium Textures (2k) = 40GB High Textures (4k) = 80GB Ultra Textures (8k) = 160GB If I choose to play with Medium Textures, it feels like a waste having those 4k and 8k files around.
@dankolord
@dankolord Жыл бұрын
lazyness :) Jokes aside, why dont game devs just include a beta version or something that doesn't contain high res stufc?
@crystalsoulslayer
@crystalsoulslayer Жыл бұрын
There's a recurring theme in computer stuff where you can trade time vs. storage space. Hackers do it with rainbow tables -- gigantic lookup tables with gazillions of passwords matched to their encrypted counterparts, because it takes too long to brute-force each individual password. _Elite_ wanted to make space gigantic, but it was nowhere near possible to store enough assets, so it generated as much content as possible at runtime. The whole point of caching websites is to use local storage instead of waiting for the server's response. It shows up everywhere, and I find it very neat.
@randomproductions908
@randomproductions908 5 ай бұрын
Great vid, almost watch a 17 min vid on this but a 5 min one that gives constant reason on the topic is nice, well made my man
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