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[@ItsMochaJoe]

Man watching the tribunal go up against each other would be a crazy twist

[@Joescotterpuss]

Ooh, what if they get to play in a 1v1v1 challenge for the chance to sabotage a fellow tribunal member.

[@izzymizzle]

Soup's a fucking Villian for that idea... shit woulda been CRAAZZY to see tho

[@ItsMochaJoe]

@@Joescotterpuss that would be epic. Write it down.

[@ItsMochaJoe]

@@izzymizzle right?! This better be in gg5😅

[@baseballjunky2010]

That’s what I’m sayin!!!! Woulda been fucking crazy

[@hendrikrasmus]

If b0aty was the 3rd tribunal member to vote and there were split votes before him, he would do it.

[@IAmSouper]

yeah I really think so too haha

[@XxpieisgoodxX1]

I’m

[@jonhughes4079]

The confessionals make the show imo, I love them so much

[@mdccxxvii]

They're perfect.

[@IAmSouper]

Agreed! They are crucial.

[@emma_tm]

THANK YOU for doing the fake trailer scenes. usually trailers ruin things for me due to implied spoilers, so it's nice to know i can watch the ones you make

[@I_am_Kaz]

Ally is such a phenomenal silent partner. Anyone who works in production would *kill* for a co-producer like her

[@IAmSouper]

She is truly the BEST

[@AllyRSV]

Thank you for your kind words! 🥹

[@SzabitoPlays]

Ally really is the bones, while soup is the meat. You might not notice her work normally, but without her GG would fall apart. But of course, without soup it wouldnt run either. Great job from the both of them!

[@bryan6747]

Dude the effort you put into these is insane. I always knew it was a lot of work but did not know it took this amount of effort. Definitely take a nice rest before starting the next season because you deserve it and please dont feel the need to rush it. Take your time, we know whenever you release the next season its going to be a banger. This season was so great and I want to rewatch the episodes again like its a netflix show that I love. I know your mom would be really proud of the work you have put in and we are all so grateful to have content like this being released from a childhood game.

[@IAmSouper]

Thanks so much!

[@SomeDude12300]

15:02 I have had this opinion about trailers for YEARS. People think it's weird I don't like watching trailers, but there's legitimately so much that gets revealed in them that I stop watching trailers the moment I think "Yeah I'd watch/play this". I want to get the basic gist of what's going on and then get the full experience. Putting enough in the trailers to get interest, but not spoil what's going to happen is perfect

[@IAmSouper]

Agreed!

[@waflizzz]

Challange Idea: Go fish! You get 20 minutes each to collect as many different fish as You can, without ever banking. Only stamina pots are allowed, and they get 1000 gp (to purchace rods, nets etc.). Rules can be bended, ofcourse.

[@johnnytee911]

No fishing trawler or other places that give multiple fish at once

[@viltautasYT]

simple but goddamm would be hilarious

[@Rbum4]

​@@johnnytee911 you lose more than half of those 20 minutes playing the trawler game, I don't think that's an efficient use of your time

[@mattmanncan]

The chat on world 370 with solo, boaty etc... would be insane

[@Celtic-Kn0t]

I grew up on Survivor and Amazing Race and I never thought I could see a show like that using RuneScape as the medium! Truly incredible work, Soup

[@litofaneto2435]

just watch The Challenge thats where soup got the idea for GG

[@Rbum4]

I really liked solomissions reviews from S3, with the whole alliance chart and all the behind the scenes politics and he felt really in control of the bannings. Also the moment in the previous season that earned him the snake nickname. This year, there were almost no politics (except for the need to thin out the farmers) and solomission had hardly any agency in the storyline. Now settled was the protagonist simply by beasting through all the challenges pulling all the attention to himself alone... Glad he won though, deserved. But yeah, hard to force good politics in a game.

[@robertyonetim7899]

That no tribunal decision fix is insane.

[@reptarien]

I figured it was something extreme like that, I hope something completely nuts happens like that because of the contestant's fear one day lolol

[@evanmorrison3232]

Honestly, awsome. Glad they werent told. And we werent told. Would have been absolutely shocking to see. Wish he didnt reveal it here tbhm.

[@disturbed1734]

@@Free_BMJ Can't make a decision, it will be made for you.

[@IAmSouper]

@@Free_BMJ brother ive seen you leaving negative comments on all my stuff. I don''t know what I did to you, I apologize if I've offended in anyway, truly. But I'm banishing you to the shadow realm, goodbye my friend.

[@bigweathertruther6373]

@@IAmSouperdude, it’s so clear that this entire season was fair. Don’t let any of the detractors take away from the incredible service you’ve done to RS viewers. As someone who doesn’t play but watches most of the YTers on GG, I absolutely loved your takes on challenge and competition in RS, and it seemed like everyone involved did too. S/o to soup.

[@maxrates]

I liked the immunity you got from winning the banning in season 3. That forces more players into bannings. Some players were not in a banning and got very far, while Settled was in several. It ended well with a winner that everyone can agree deserved it, but if a player that wasn't tested at all won the whole game it would be a shame. What if we added a twist for 1 or 2 episodes where there is no tribunal and X number of players that performed the worst get directly sent to the banning. That way players are kept on their toes knowing that they have to perform or else.

[@tijn155]

agreed, the immunity from season 3 was a good thing. Now some players were almost always going into the banning, and some people just breezed by. I love the idea of having the worst performers be forced into a banning at some point, some of them never get really tested and if anything seeing the worse performers go against eachother is much more fun than a settled taking out a weak player imo.

[@IAmSouper]

I don't disagree with your point - but there were people in Season 3 who made it to the final without being in a single banning as well! (Framed)

[@seamusboyle8641]

⁠​⁠Something they do on Hell’s Kitchen is they’ll revoke someone’s immunity if they’re really horrible in the next round, maybe on GG immunity could be conditional on not placing last/in the bottom three? Could make for some drama if someone with total immunity at an important time chokes the next challenge and loses it

[@Stinnery]

I think the partial immunity should have protected players from the tribunal and NOT from the person in the banning. I can imagine a scenario (like with Settled) where someone wins a banning and doesn't want to be back in the next one, but the only way to keep themselves out of it is to win the next challenge outright. If partial immunity protected that person from the tribunal instead, the only way they could target them is by putting someone into the banning who also wants them out (and thinks they can be the one to do it). It creates a situation where the tribunal winners may have to vote in an ally to get at an enemy, which gives more depth to the social aspect of the game.

[@Maxmaxs5]

Upvote

[@Kraus-]

That would be hilarious to send in a teammate to get around immunity.

[@0ftis]

One of the best things about this season imo, was the way the challanges was explained. I just started watching the season with my gf and she was able to understand the basic concepts of the challanges with little to no prior osrs knowlege. This also helps you reach a wider audience, as the episodes often hit the top charts in trending on youtube. So if the episodes explain the basics in a way that people who dont play the game can understand it the seasons will keep getting more views. Keep up the good work!

[@aarongonzalez2156]

I really like the format this year! The tribunal was awesome also the banned picking their banned mate was awesome too! Settled was right the immunity pedant should have been total immunity

[@Anime9042]

I think Settled said it should have been Tribunal vote immunity and not total? That said, I think that would have been picked more. Or maybe an option to pick between the two? I do agree with Soup that total immunity would be too strong, especially in a format where you get to choose your prize like with the amulet.

[@sander2723]

@@Anime9042ye he said the tribunal cannot vote you in

[@aarongonzalez2156]

@@sander2723 but the banned can call you out.

[@aarongonzalez2156]

@@Anime9042 total immunity is good just for drama purposes if someone is so good they get total immunity every week. Wouldn't that put a crosshairs on their back every week?

[@clintonmallard8447]

@@aarongonzalez2156Settled getting in the tribunal a lot early really put a target on his back

[@tombnomb2938]

One million subscribers! Just a week away! One million subscribers in just a week!

[@ThePolarpop]

this reads like rick and morty screaming at the end of a season at the literal credits rolling

[@ThePieGuy3]

I am so happy about this information

[@Revlos]

"Torvesta and Skillspecs came in with debt" lmaooo

[@leniorko8968]

I'm honestly very impressed every time I see behind the scenes of any show. Seeing how much thoughts, writing and editing goes into each episode is astonishing. Thank you for your work (and personal gratitude to the Allyanarie I can't image how much effort it takes to transcribe confessionals). Looking forward for more behind the scenes and for the next season!

[@IAmSouper]

Thank you!

[@FiloFrog]

You might be planning to talk about this, but it felt like there were fewer PVP challenges this season compared to S3, and especially compared to S2. I'm sure you have good reasoning, so I'd love to hear your take on it. It felt like the contestants were quick to weed out the PVPers, when in reality, there were few challenges where the PVPers would have had the upper hand. That said, I absolutely loved S4. Great work, and thank you so much for making this show for us!

[@IAmSouper]

Thanks man! Yeah you'll hear my thoughts on PvP challenges in some of the upcoming reviews :)

[@Salsmachev]

One of the options for the amulet of choice should be to give an advantage to another player. It would be a way for players to curry favour, strengthen alliances, and throw an extra twist into the game.

[@ThePolarpop]

yo thatd be fuckin hype lmao instead of a sabotage u can like help a specific player that isnt yourself

[@fenrir_ai1849]

Would love to know a few things if that's okay. 1) What happened to Zoe's perspective in the money making 2) How do you deal with stuff not going right during filming, like late joiners, dc's (like with settled vs victim) and other things going wrong 3) What do you think about in challenge sabotages. Like what solo mentioned with this 'totem of sabotage' thing when they talked about goat horns

[@Barrie96]

Zoe’s plan in money making wasn’t a bad play. She actually played something with high risk/ high reward, while simultaneously making money. So have she gotten a dragon pick or another rare value drop, everybody would think differently. She just didn’t get lucky

[@IAmSouper]

Great questions! Some of these will be answered in the episode reviews so you can look forward to that. :)

[@Ser--]

My small nitpick of the season is that taking the 200m gold was an extremely boring option for the show. The person wins a banning where they were on the edge of elimination and outright sent someone home, and they get 200m which has no impact on the show or viewer experience.

[@Hectorlph]

Agreed. Would have loved to see a little mini-challenge for choosing the money option.

[@perteadsf4914]

Or make it so it is a lot of money, but you sabotage yourself. Money is only gained if you finish top 50% next challenge. By the way, 200m is a lot in episode 1, but not a lot in episode 8. So maybe it needs to go up each episode to be able to compete with a 65B prizepool.

[@Palehoodie]

rewards for winning a banning sure is complicated, full safety while nice also kills drama, money is meaningless to viewers and while sabotage is good it also makes you a huge target. Picking the next week teams is honestly the biggest reward as you can stack the teams in your favour with no major downside and its easily understood by the viewers.

[@uniquename6925]

I think it helps show people's ambition. When someone chooses the safe option, it makes the other options more meaningful

[@Robert-mx1io]

totally agree. Picking the money was just the stay under the radar pick which felt pretty boring from a viewer experience even if it was good strategy as picking sabotage mostly just made you an enemy while picking partial immunity was way too weak and didn't even stay under the radar as much as the money since the tribunal is incentivized to put you in as they would know you're safe if they don't put you in now.

[@tiltmasterflex7220]

As a viewer, the season was fantastic, but there were 2 things that stood out to me. One was that it was more important for someone who won a banning be immune from the tribunal because picking immunity puts a massive target on your head when the people that you can't take in the banning with you are the people that are choosing to put you in it. If being immune from the tribunal is too strong, maybe giving that person the ability to take someone from the tribunal into the banning instead of full immunity gives a nice balance, I dunno. The other thing that felt too strong was the whole banning winner picking teams thing with 2/4 team challenges. You could do something like have the banning winner and last challenge winner becoming captains and having to pick people or something like that, but the big team pvp episode really highlighted the fragility of the approach. Invredible season though with fantastic moments

[@mdccxxvii]

I'd always prefer team captains to someone picking the roster of the teams (like Hooti and Settled did after winning bannings).

[@-ZH]

Banning winner gets to pick the other teams’ captains and the draft pick order.

[@Hildaglitz]

This is such an incredible feat of production and editing! Getting to see the process of how you put this together is so interesting. Massive props to you and Ally!

[@rinkdinkis5849]

Dude seeing this is so eye opening about the sheer amount of work you put into this series. We're so blessed as a community to have amazing creators such as yourself willing to put in so much time and effort into a program like this. I hope GG never ends but i cant say i wouldnt understand if it did. Thank you so much for the amazing entertainment and for helping the community i love to thrive and come together for events like this. I hope this coming year you can grow the staff of people working on this project to take even just a little stress off your shoulders. You are LEGITIMATELY a ROCKSTAR!

[@abraxas2658]

I think the tribunal DID fall flat a little bit. By limiting the social aspect, it felt like they came to consensus too easily. I also think the tradeoff of the amulet was cool, but it unintentionally had different values based on how far we were in the season. The money was BY FAR more valuable at the beginning of the season, and near the end, sabotage was more meta. It felt like less of a choice and more of a flat reward.

[@Jrakula10]

man imagine if hooti, solomission and settled all picked different people when solomission flipped that one banning. the content would have been insane.

[@emma_tm]

imagine hooti knocks them both out after that lmao

[@Jaguaist]

@@emma_tm Goati

[@Whatsacody]

Soup, an idea for the partial immunity. Have them tell you privately which they want to be immune from (tribunal or being picked by the person selected by the tribunal), but keep this blinded from the rest of the people - just let them know that partial immunity is in play. If they selected being immune from the tribunal, and the tribunal picks them - then everyone votes for someone in the tribunal to go in and it plays out like if the tribunal couldn't select someone as you stated in this video. If they choose to be protected from being picked by the person selected by the tribunal, and that person selected them - the person selecting automatically loses the banning because there is no one to compete against due to the immunity. I could see this creating gambles on which that partial immunity selected; it might create some interesting dynamics. You could amplify this further by allowing people to place that partial immunity onto someone else (could lead to people protecting their friends).

[@rh0dr1]

Okay so I think adding a bunch of abilities that are hidden is fun. Especially if you can give immunity to someone else. If not for the option to gift immunity, this would be too strong, since the tribunal and players would know you have some immunity and the risk of challenging that immunity would be too much. By adding the option to gift immunity there are more variables for the tribunal to consider and would lead to mind games where people can try to bait out procing it. I don't agree with the challenger immunity idea, since it removes content and is way too big of a risk for the person put in, nobody would take the 50/50 to get autobanned, this would make it almost as strong as full immunity. I would say the more dramatic way to run this is, if you tribunal picks you with immunity, then you pick your challenger as if you were chosen for the banning, the immunity is then revealed and either the rest of the players pick someone from the tribunal or the person you chose gets to pick. If you are challenged by the person put in from the tribunal you can instead put another person into the banning of your choice.

[@limanily]

Oohh spicy

[@IAmSouper]

That's a really cool idea! Love it, into the notepad it goes. 😎

[@Jaguaist]

@@IAmSouper I personally think the aforementioned idea would create a lot more frustration than fun. A person automatically losing the banning if the player they picked was immune from being picked by them unbeknownst to them is absurd. Maybe the person that wrote that comment means that the picker would go into the banning instead of the picked? I still don't like the randomness aspect this would create, and as a Hearthstone player I have dealt with plenty of randomness to have some understanding about what type of randomness I consider enjoyable and what type I really don't. The randomness where you have no agency whatsoever always feels the worst and this is that type of randomness for the picker.

[@cyclops5191]

​@@Jaguaistagreed. I don't like the auto lose either. But I do think the ability to use the immunity on others without the tribunal knowing could create some fun aspects. Almost like an immunity idol in survivor.

[@AMarkosov]

This is an insane amount of work. It's one thing to slap all footage/confessionals together, but an entirely different story to get everything looking as amazing as you make it look.

[@Chaotixs11]

Loved the season Soup! My big wish list item for Season 5 has to be big teams! - Redemption Arc: We haven't seen Big Teams since Season 1, and as fun as S1; it's clear you were still getting your feet under you back then. I'd be excited to see how you could use your current experience to elevate the concept. - Social Swing: After the Challenge Heavy Season 4, I feel a Social Heavy Season 5 is in order. Big Teams make the politics easier to track. If only the losing team is voting in a loser, you only need to capture half as many voting confessionals. - Friend of a Favorite: It always sucks when your favorite player gets eliminated. But sometimes it's not so bad if your favorite player had a cool teammate you could root for instead. I feel that teams make it easier to route for multiple people, so you don't get burned so bad when your favorite gets knocked out. - Not So Free For All: You can still run solo challenges in a team format, using conditions like "the solo winner, wins for their team," or "mario kart scoring." But with team dynamics in play, it opens up strategies like sacrificial bunts, funneling, and sabotage. - Mix-Ups: There's all kinds of twists you can throw into a team dynamic. "No body is eliminated Week 1, but the winners get to pick the teams." "As a prize for surviving the banning: you may now choose to either return to Team A who voted you in, or turn traitor and join Team B." "This week will be a duo challenge, with each pair containing one member from each team." I don't know if those are all good ideas. But they sound fun to me.

[@house.plants.]

You, Ally, and The Cast did a phenomenal job this season! I don't even play the game but I was super invested in this season. Thank you, and props!

[@robmister2]

Soup it's incredible to me how many hats you wear for GG and how well you pull all those roles off. Planning, hosting, interviewing, editing. Loving these BTS videos to get insight into how CRAZY of an undertaking each episode is. Massive shout out to Ally for transcribing ALL those confessionals! That is amazing as well

[@Oscar797]

Regardless of what format the seasons are in, I'm devouring those GG episodes several times over. Season 4 was amazing and it really shows that you learn new stuff with each one of them. While I like the solo format, I have to say that for social purposes, the duo team format of season 2 was pure entertainment. There were so many funny moments between the different teams as well as within them. The team members reacting and talking to each other in response to a specific thing made for some hilarious moments that in the end are just more "genuine" as opposed a solo player having to remind themself that they are in front of the camera. Just to name a few examples: - Ditterbitter constantly reassuring Torvesta that everything is fine "trust me bro" and then it turns out not fine. - Tanzoo and Virtoso snapping at each other. - J1mmy and Settleds bromance. - Solomission guiding Gunschilli to the dark side. S2E08 is imo the best episode ever made because it just has everything. It might have been a one time thing that's hard to replicate due to how "gullible" everyone was back then and how well Solomission took advantage of that. Anyway, this was just my humble opinion. Thank you so much Soup for spoiling us with this amazing content

[@IAmSouper]

Agreed! Having a partner you're locked with automatically creates a "storyline" which I so desperately love. I'm learning towards bring back some kind of team format for the future I think.

[@iAmPrzndude]

@@IAmSouper Do you think a "Trios" format would be too much? 21 players split into 7 teams?

[@ThePolarpop]

@@IAmSouper Trios format that inevitably becomes doubles way later on in some sort of dramatic episode/twist 👀

[@erenlapucet398]

One of the most important things GG needs imo is a way to give its weaker players more power/control. This last season was great, but it felt like everyone who wasn't a top contender was drifting by as a background character. Giving the losers the ability to vote in S3 was a great way to give all contestants power and screentime. I totally understand however the intentional shift towards a more skill-based competition and the time constraint issue. Without a mass voting session, I think one alternative could be to make the 3 worst performing, non-immune players go into a (typically) single elimination banning, with the other 2 getting immunity next week. I say 3 rather than the typical 2, because that ends up giving more screentime to the less skilled contestants. The idea is this increases their chances to shine and have personal victories which they might not otherwise have.

[@TheMcCannic1]

Ally has been doing WORK in the background. Thank you both

[@kayaxe]

HOT TAKE: For the amulet of choice, the option of partial immunity may actually be a punishment rather than a reward. The fact that a player has "partial immunity" from being chosen by the 1st guy in the banning, means psychologically it may incentivise the tribunal to pick on the player with partial immunity to go in as the 1st guy intoi the banning, as that is the only way they can be entered into that weeks banning (and them already owning the amulet proves their prowess, thus additional incentives to vote them in).

[@kayaxe]

While on the flipside, if the "partial immunity" is immune from BEING VOTED BY THE TRIBUNAL, but not immune from being selected by the 1st guy into the banning. This would make more sense, as thhe amulet will now serve as a deterrent (signifying their prowess) for the 1st guy to pick them as their banning competitor.

[@_vire24]

Exactly what I was thinking the whole season. Nobody ever picked it either, at least I don't remember anyone picking it, probably for this reason exactly.

[@wbeaurowe]

appreciate your honesty and the time you take to make these videos man.

[@JohnMane-eo8bd]

Hi Soup. I am a fairly new viewer. I watched GG S4 first and then watched the other seasons. I saw the improvements in S4 with the decisions you made. I'm glad you trusted your gut with the changes to S4, keeping the show fair, fun, and fresh. The show is only getting better and better. Thank you. 1M subscribers, here we come!

[@IAmSouper]

Thanks man!!

[@ItsOvechkin]

banishing idea for next season; solo season, two people get put into banning. both people in the banning pick 1 person to be their teammate in the banning. losing team does additional banning against each other and loser is elimated. makes it really interesting either picking a really good teammate hoping to win or a bad one so you can win if you lose. would make it really interesting and balance the playing field a bit. also consideration, winner of the banning picks one person to go directly into the banning the following week.

[@ChaseNahrebeski-mk8rf]

My thoughts on the way to group people is, watch survivor. Start with 3 teams, let them guess how much time they have until teams combine, and then let the team/social aspect of the game work itself out. At that point, you're given a bunch of people working with/against each other. Find a way to build an "exile" island where teams overlap. It'll build alliances between teams and certain people in those teams. In my head, it'll work out so well. I love the solo season but I think this would be a great way to look at season 5.

[@Thayra]

GG is genuinely the best Reality Show out there because you actually crafted a solid, fair foundation, got good people involved, and let things happen for real. There's insane skill on display but also fantastic entertainment value from the different personalities of the players. It's just exquisite vibes. I really appreciate that even when people ae leaning more into the social game aspect and talking alliances and betrayals and such, no one is actually trying to cause true drama and upset - everyone is there for a good time and to make something awesome together, and ultimately want the best for each other as a community. That feels like the heart of it. And your thoughtful approach is so important in making that happen. Anyway I love that you're sharing more behind the scenes stuff now too, its awesome to get more insight. The amount of energy and work that goes into it is incredible. Please look after yourself and don't burn out!!

[@Smooth_Operator058]

Man, really love you listen to your community. One of the reasons why GG is such a huge succes. Cant wait for S5!!

[@axesofebil]

So glad you made this channel for behind the scenes content. You really deserve as many content streams from all of the footage youve put together

[@ttmilk6633]

Dude that C engineer shot where hes hammering and someone comes running out in addy.. That was great!!

[@Hereson]

Appreciate the huge amount of planning that went into this, I am very much looking forward to the next season, let's go Soup! 🎉

[@p90p90]

Soup, this was my first season watching and it is pure entertainment, and i mean that in the best way possible. Dealing with the contestant's time alone must of been absolute chaos, so I give you so much credit. I am in huge favor of storylines, it not only keeps the season fresh but seriously is a huge plus for the contestants once they leave GG, which allows them to grow their own fanbase. I personally subbed to so many of them off of GG.

[@zaquiop1]

I think you're really good at thinking about the trade-offs present in each of the decisions you've made about format! As someone who mostly got into GG around season 2 or 3, I think the quality has done nothing but increase over time! I don't envy how hard these kinds of decisions about format must be to make! As an observer I have to say that I think Season 4 was a bit too heavily focused on performance, and it can be a little hard as a casual player myself to follow along with some of the more intensive solo performance challenges. I think the only feedback I would give as a spectator would be to consider adding a bit more chaos and social elements. Obviously the best should be the one who wins in the end, but I also think that some more social games and curveball ideas help to keep the audience on the same page as the players. All in all great work on this season!!! I look forward to GG 5!

[@tigerdad6315]

Big fan of the show and Big Brother (early years) . I think a battle back would be great, a little later in the season to maybe shake up who the final 5 might be. I know there was a battle back in previous seasons. But how Boaty played and solo and a few others would have been so cool to see them have a shot to come back and wreck shop.

[@slave2truth4freedom]

That was a lot of fun in S2. I think the issue is the time it takes. It was done in the doubles season so it would take twice as long in solos and would take two episodes of the 12 to complete and a whole heap of reused challenges with players that are probably not going to win anyway. Not to mention so much more work for soup although we as viewers would like it, it's probably too much to ask. Probably better to just focus on strategies that allow our favorites to stay in the games longer if they are playing well. Boaty tactics aside... lol

[@IAmSouper]

Agreed, but we did this in Season 2 already. I think doing it too frequently makes it become repetitive and not as exciting.

[@failgun]

@@IAmSouper what about a supplementary "best of the banned" episode where all the people who didn't make the final compete for some kind of booby prize?

[@MrGetItIn]

Been watching you since RS2 when you, Gudi and Framed made content and I just wanted to say that we are truly blessed as a community to have you putting out such content. This is actually the first season of GG I've watched as I took a few years off RS, but I was surprised to hear that a common request is a larger cast. I felt like some of the contestants didn't contribute much to my enjoyment of the show and wouldn't have been missed had there only been a 12-14 person cast. I don't mean I didn't like some of them personally, just maybe there wasn't enough time to let everyone's stories/personalities develop and shine. I understand wanting to appeal to as many content creators' fans as possible though. Also I think if you're going to have a multi-person final with double elimination rounds to keep the total number of episodes as low as possible, you should have the double elimination rounds early on. I just finished binging all the episodes, having not watched them on release, and the pacing felt very (too) accelerated in the 2nd half of the show. The first few weeks we slowly lost 1 contestant at a time from this big group and suddenly a few episodes later there's a winner. I think it'd be better to have the multi-elims early on and then as the storylines develop, you slow down the rate of eliminations. I wasn't a huge fan of the multi-person final but I completely understand your reasoning. Any way this was a long wall of text of nitpicking and not a whole lot of praise, but I am truly blown away by what you've put together here. Genuinely can't believe this is the level of runescape youtube videos. You have single handedly raised the bar and I reckon you have a long, successful career ahead of yourself. I'm excited to go back and watch the other seasons and looking forward to season 5 whenever you're ready to go again

[@B1rday]

I would honestly love seeing you spend an episode talking more about your editing process. I remember messaging you about having stuff in script order and seeing how you setup the confessionals was a real cool way of organizing

[@reverb2516]

gosh that's awesome, the extra work you go in to for the trailers just to make them 100% spoiler free is sick. Love how much you care about what you put out.

[@JohnSmith-0]

Yo Soup big fan! Always watching and enjoying the show either way, but if you're considering some format shakeups, that would interest me and I have a format suggestion! I can reference how some fighting game tournaments go: Have 30 contestants as 5 pools of 6 people each: Pools A, B, C, D, E To start, episode 1 would focus on Pool A's combatants doing a challenge, and the lowest 2 or so performers depending on how many pools, would be knocked out. Alternatively could pit Pool A against Pool B, resulting in the lowest performers of each pool fight in a banning. Once each pool has had an episode, it can reshuffle the players into smaller new pools, *or* convert to the normal GG group challenges style. Possible 3 benefits: 1. Split up one or two pools per episode and reduce the number of people per challenge to record and get ALL at once 2. Allow a little more centralized airtime per person in their starring episodes, and potentially a loser's bracket for double elimination. 3. Allow more total contestants for advertising value. 3 costs: 1. Only a cross-section of the players actually *play* each episode, so fewer *involved* parties per challenge, at the benefit of hugely simplified editing and coordination time. 2. All other players not involved in Pool's challenge could play as an audience and spectate/commentate, which would probably be important at the cost of extra overhead. 3. This style would feel more like a tournament, which... may not be preferred? But call them "Groups" instead of pools, and throw in flashy Soup stuff, and this could be hidden. One of my favorite ever parts of GG was the gauntlet of eliminated people fighting each other for a shot to rejoin the games, so a "losers bracket" episode challenge sounds like such vengeful dramatic fun to me. Again what you do is probably the very best entertainment for the game, so I will be happy with anything, good luck

[@linguotgr]

Something I always wondered... where did the 200mm from the Amulet of Choice come from? like was it taking money from the prize pool, was it just from your bank?

[@IAmSouper]

my bank (I am broke)

[@BlurrySloth]

@@IAmSoupersounds like someone needs to do some more unusual money makers 😉

[@Barrie96]

We need to do some more work if we want to make next season reach 100B!

[@calebrath7012]

Dang, I wish I would have submitted my post-season poll after seeing this, very informative. Thanks for all the entertainment, Soup, this is my favorite KZbin content!

[@AcediaRulerOfSloth]

I think for the money option in the amulet of choice could be a "steal" from another player? ie. steal from their prize money or if their prize money isn't enough, they would get half of that from the pool instead. (This is really spicy though so I understand if this isn't considered since it could end with participants having like almost 0 winnings. Although to combat this, there could be a cap to how much could be stolen from someone so they still have a baseline?) If you want to make it spicier, you could let the person choose how much they want to steal (up to a cap of course)

[@stupidfish8544]

I think the season with your changes felt amazing. When I watched the first episode- I felt goosebumps hearing the changes you made. They are impactful, make the season feel fresh and yet still are super interesting. I don’t feel a lot of PK challenges are needed throughout the season but little surprised not a single challenge was PKing at the very end. It only feels fair to cover all the topics and PKing is a pretty fair part of OSRS. By no means should it dominate, but should be a part of it I felt

[@Menello]

"Settled's mom slamming meat" 😅

[@Spikeawe]

stoked for the editing episode because this seems like such a crazy amount of work for just episode 1

[@xxpotatolord69xx23]

I think a lottery season could work soo well for season 5, where the lower you place the the more rolls on a wheel you have and the more likely you are to get chosen

[@bryceraap3281]

One of the survivor things is an auction. I think that would be a huge twist. Mystery challenge. auction helpful stuff, some crap and fakes that won’t help. Weapon armor, ability to use graceful, potions and so on. But have a triathlon some skilling, boss fight, and something else. Everyone starts with x amount of gp, and have said auction, I know would be a longer challenge to do it all, or do auction one day, film a different day. Some people get lucky and OP others are SOL.

[@tempacc9589]

I liked that the rewards and punishments were telegraphed better in advance before the start of the challenge.

[@DestroyedArkana]

I'm very happy you're doing this series, it not only gets people to see just how much work and effort goes into the episodes but also helps inform people who otherwise have no idea. Overall I think the season was great. I'm sure you'll go over it in the ending review but I think having anonymous votes works better for creating drama and storylines. One idea that might work is that might work is after a challenge 2 people are selected, either by the winning player or someone else, then the 3 tribunal members get to discuss and anonymously vote on the two of them. Whoever gets the most is in the banning, and the other one has to be chosen among the other players like usual. The reason I'm suggesting this is because this time the tribunal had too much power, so limiting them to choosing player A or B instead of anybody helps a lot. It still gives room for backstabbing, because people don't want to say "I'll vote for X" and then vote Y when they have to announce it publicly. That only came up once, and of course it was SoloMission who tried it when he was 'relatively' safe to do so. No matter how things end up, I'm glad you're making content and look forward to whatever else you make!

[@TheBestOfTheWorst]

What a great idea for more GG content! HYPE for this series.

[@nexidava]

Looking forward to the episode reviews! This kind of behind the scenes content is super interesting, and I'll be happy to watch as much as you feel like making.

[@sebastiancabrera8416]

for the amulet choices i would change the 200m, to give a little advantage to someone else, like having an extra food in a pvp challenge or start with 5k gold in a money making from scratch. you give it to a friend to help them, someone else to start an alliance or a weak player to put everyone else in a worse position

[@Gunschilli]

Honestly listening to the first 4mins of this video stressed me out. An organisational and production masterclass was needed and you pulled it off and then some! Grats on 1mill

[@IAmSouper]

Love you Tom, thank you ❤️❤️

[@PraetexDesign]

Gah I missed the live Q&A, but my 2C: Whilst I don’t particularly care much for PVP, it would have been nice to have a few more PVP challenges this season. The challenges this season were really stacked in favour of the snowflake Ironman players, so often I would go in just expecting Settled to cream it, which he did. As much as it’s fun watching PVP only players just flounder at game knowledge, it’s nice to see them shine from time to time too. Much like how Hooti finally had that chance to show off his PVM chops in the ToA challenge. IMO it would help create that spicy atmosphere you’re after.

[@FlourescentPotato]

Agree 100%, settled basically got handed the win on a plate, because all the challenges were incredibly niche snowflake-style activities. Kind of ruined the fun. Feels like there was literally 1 pvp moment and that was it.

[@Yithic]

you are a souper legend , thank you for the work and thanks to every participant , invovled and watching person

[@xx99strrxx]

loved it all, you did great. I think you should do weekly 1v1s, or "one shot" GG's if you know what I mean. I would hate to cheapen the series but I think only you could pull it off

[@xx99strrxx]

in between the main seasons I mean

[@ajhakraHD]

Elimination idea, Worst player automatically gets put in the banning. Tribunal has to select a player to go into the banning, without knowing who came last (some challenges will make it obvious who came last), and also a backup in case they choose the player that came last

[@ryanhandel1414]

Agreed, was going to suggest this also. I feel like it would be a good concept to keep people from costing to the final. Also, might force hands of groups sooner in the season.

[@maxrates]

I don't think you have to have a tribunal in that case, just pick the 2-3 worst performers.

[@IAmSouper]

So this is something I've always wanted to try and I agree 100% it's a great idea! However, let me play devil's advocate. Everything is filmed online - some things are out of my control like computer issues, internet issues, IRL emergencies, etc... If I have a season where last place goes straight into the banning, but the last place person was having internet issues the entire turn, or their computer crashed or there was a family emergency - is it really fair for them to put straight into the banning? We don't have the luxury of re-recording the challenge and it's not fair to give them a "pass" where they can't be put in because they were having issues during the challenge. I don't personally have a solution for this honestly, so I'm curious about what everyone thinks.

[@seamusboyle8641]

@@IAmSouperimo I don’t think it’s the right move to have GG be a pure meritocracy like that, part of the beauty of GG and other game shows is those fan favorite underdogs who don’t “deserve” to make it far somehow scamming their way to a final or a deep run. I think if the less skilled half of the show cannibalizes itself within the first six episodes we just end up with the same handful of players at the end 🧐

[@dabillya6845]

@@IAmSouper is it really fair to let people just PICK AND CHOOSE who they DONT LIKE? or who they feel is a THREAT? the WEAKEST member should be in the banning every week. if they have issues, they weren't meant to win the GG.

[@sontath7102]

Odd suggestion for a new format. 3 tribes of 5. Every week you swap which tribe you watch. Essentially it breaks up scheduling conflicts, makes editing easier. As well it adds the possibility of having "lives". If each person can be banned 2 times and each time they are banned they go to a new tribe then you can have SoloMission Snake tactics of tracking, lieing about, and utilizing the number of bans a person has had. Definitely odd, but it could be interesting. That way if a fan favorite gets banned off early they can have a redemption story. You can have more double elims without it being too punishing.

[@IceKing89]

Well done Soup on another great GG season! I really enjoyed all of the changes this year, especially the extra drama with tribunal announcing votes and the voted person choosing their opponent. also loved how you kept boaty's sayless in the reactions even after he was gone 😂

[@MikeStar21]

I love these videos so much. Honestly hands down one of the best RuneScape series to ever come out and I've been playing this game before OSRS. You did great my friend!

[@telezon7206]

Loved the performance focus of this season. Looking forward to the episode reviews

[@justafellagaming]

You da man soup, all my homies love soup. It’s extremely fun to hear the thought process behind your decisions. You are a special content creator doing this kind of thing, I feel like it’s really unique. Thank you for the fun and laughs!

[@MrMultidiver]

Hi Soup. I love the series. I have a challenge idea (called fashionscape). What if you had a challenge where you log into an account who is wearing items that point the players to a specific location on the map. For example they start in the starting area and you log into a second account wearing full infinity robes. The players would then find a second account in the mage training arena wearing full dharoks. The players would then go to the entrance to barrows and so on until they find you on your soup account and trade you. Other examples are: helm of neitiznot pointing players to the king of neitiznot or legends cape leading to the legend guild, but it could obviously mate more obscure but I lack the game knowledge to come up with these. Kind regards and keep it up!

[@Teriuchi]

Thanks for the great season. It was my first one and I'll be sure to continue watch them in the future even though I'm not currently playing the game myself! :)

[@MuscularBridge4]

Oh my god. I knew there was a ton of work that went into this show, but I would have never imagined you go to these lengths. Amazing work. Can’t wait to see more.

[@ethankankula5630]

Love the transparency more content like this plz

[@nifegun]

Random challenge idea:I think it would be cool if you had a challenge where all players have to accomplish the same goal, but their equipment must be selected from a box. Like you Soup, share a screenshot of a bank with a ton of gear in it, and based on some order for the players they get to pick items one by one from the picture. Then you trade them the stuff and they all try to accomplish the goal. So obviously the people who got to pick first get the good stuff, but even with "the good stuff" they may end up taking the best weapon and other players took all the good armor. I just think it would be cool

[@SochoUno]

Soup, I’ve watched all seasons of GG and this was by far the best to come out. I know it’s a lot of work but the community really appreciates the time and effort in these vids. For such a niche community on a 20 year old game, this is always treat every year. Fantastic job as always 🤘

[@bateraaa]

Great point about keeping more people in the final. It feels like every sport when it gets towards the end of the tournament, the hype dies.

[@thacoonnn8492]

i have a idea for the season 5 voting system: You keel the tribunal and let them vote for one player to go ingo the banning. And the rest of the contestants each vote separtely (in secret?) on the person they want to go in. Then each vote goes in a spinning wheel, that pickes one player. So if you got 4 votes, you have 4 places on the wheel and so 4 times the chance to going in. I think that with using this method, you create a lot of tention because even if you are in a big alliance you have still the chance to going in. And so has the person that is not in a big alliance still a chance to avoid a elemenation round. A small chance though, but still a chance. I would also do the voting in secret, so a lot of weird and random shit could happen🤷🏼‍♂️

[@XenoZach]

I’m souper excited for these behind the scenes videos. Really looking forward to seeing your perspective for everything.

[@QT-Sei]

Love your thoughts on trailers here. I don't see how someone could be upset with "could be true" trailer content like that - the whole point is to get hype for what's being teased, not to be spoiled!

[@wrytte]

i am really excited you're doing this! really cool to see your insight on things and how it's come to be. this was a fantastic season

[@agiledrunk737]

Great video! Looking forward to the rest of them and then hopefully the subsequent series "the making of the making of gielenor games season 4"

[@realityChemist]

Voting idea: have players cast public votes in order, starting with whoever came in last place and ending with the winner. Two highest voted players go in. This way, players who place higher get more of a chance to see where the votes are falling before their turn. I think this would be really interesting to watch as a viewer, since it potentially opens up a new element to the social game and also interacts directly with the challenge results. You could get live reasons & reactions from people instead of doing what's essentially a confessional for every vote, which should also help keep filming streamlined. I could foresee there maybe being some audio quality hurdles to overcome with live reactions like that; tbh I don't know that much about what goes into producing something like this. (This idea is inspired by social deduction games, specifically Blood on the Clocktower in which players vote publicly and in a specific order.)

[@Maxmaxs5]

Incredible season and super well thought out!! Regardless of what anyone else things, I think you crushed it and I really appreciate the level of detail and thought that went into the changes, I think pretty much every change was great. Maybe iterate on the amulet though

[@BenZehrMusic]

Dear Soup, we do not deserve you. You are the greatest thing that has ever happened to this game. Keep adjusting, keep going. Every decision you've made has been great. I've played the game *maybe* 24 hours this year, but I still take my kids to their mothers' house early so that I can watch this show. I text my friends of over 20 years about this show. We don't talk about individuals, we don't talk about updates .. we talk about this show. This show brings so many people together. You are an incredible human being. We love you, we support you, we will be here for whatever you need. You are the goat. Thank you.

[@Thatoneninjaparade]

1000% agree with the trailers spoiling everything. Excellent choice with "fake" footage. Also, you and Ally should 100% consider using a licensed AI transcribing tool. They can save you a ton of time if you havent used one already.

[@HippyRanger1]

For a future season what I would like to see is a "Viewer champion". Somebody that is not a creator taking place. Maybe have some people apply given they have a maxed account or something, chose randomly between 20-30, have some fast elimination rounds and the winner plays in.

[@243markus]

The banning format should stay the same for next seasons, you have nailed it 10/10. That the chosen person get’s to choose theire opponent. Only mini changes like how tribunal votes or the order they announce theire vote, but keep the format please! We are already waiting for next season😊 My idea for the 200m option solution is make it only sabotage or partial immunity for like 3-6last episodes. Have the 200m option, where you dont make any enemy is the first half of the show.

[@slave2truth4freedom]

Agreed. Though I suggested that the first place finisher gets immunity from sabotage. Also, that a player who has selected the amulet of choice partial immunity option who is chosen by the tribunal can have the option to choose the second or third place player from the tribunal as their opponent. This introduces interesting dynamics for the players to think about as well as addressing the problem of underperforming players "coasting through" and helps high performance players stay in the competition. Instead of focusing on punishing the underperforming players it addresses the same issue by instead rewarding the best players for each round. Maybe this would have been too complicated for S4 but for S5 it might be just right.

[@ttmilk6633]

10/10 agreed

[@EresirThe1st]

I preferred it when the voting happened, it made for way more interesting drama

[@MrF1adam]

I loved the politics of the previous seasons with the ability to make alliances, which I feel like it wasn't really present this year with the tribunal. Suggestion for next year, you start off with 2 votes, 1 public vote and 1 anonymous vote, if you are in the bottom third in the challenge you loose your anonymous vote, last looses both. Top third gains a anonymous vote (so gets 3 total) winner gets both of losers votes (4 total). Maximises the backstabbing potential

[@brobrochannel2387]

The tribunal was perfect. This season was Fantastic. Eyes glued to the screen. The only dislike i have of the season was Settled being able to choose C engineer to join him in the final as a reward for winning. It just felt strange that C engineer was allowed to bypass a banning to enter the final after losing a challenge

[@williamzhang7083]

tribunal was such a great add. the solomission accidentally putting evscape in the banning was peak comedy!

[@RyanJ8]

A cool twist that could be added would be hidden immunity idol. That players can potentially find when doing other challenges. An example during the bring back an item any player who brings back a steel platebody would then be traded a necklace they could keep hidden until voting.

[@surki2080]

I LOVE these reviews, ty so much for making them

[@peytonhorn2833]

Soup, the community is so dang lucky to have you. We really appreciate all you do. Thanks man!

[@IAmSouper]

Appreciate you dawg

[@z20_Aleth]

Love your thought processes for the whole production, this was such a fantastic season