Why Glock Refuses to Switch to Metal Magazines for More Capacity!

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[@beckhamhome]

I asked Glock at the 2019 Shotshow and the rep. responded "So we call sell it in all states." The 10 round mag is semi-staggered and I originally thought they did this for room on a future .40 cal S&W. My shield arms magazines have been flawless is the few thousand rounds going through mine and my wifes 43X's. This was not engineering but a political solution.

[@sly2792004]

but for everyone 1 person like you theres 1-2 people who have had nothing but problems with shield magazines. many who said issues showed up after 1500 rounds.

[@beckhamhome]

@@sly2792004 Since the magazine physically fits maybe another will step forward like Mec-Gar, or the issues be ironed out. I've got 3 magazines now and flawless so far.

[@podmonkey2501]

...........What a lazy explanation on the part of Glock there. Glock offers 10 round limited magazines for their other pistols, of course they could do the same for the 43x. The issue being missed here is that a 10 round 43, meaning a 10 round version of the 6 rounder gun, is the real prize here. If I can conceal a Glock 19 length grip I'll just carry a Glock 19. That sub compact length grip combined with the narrow 1" form factor is what draws me the the micro 9 type.

[@BasedGhoul]

@@exnihilo452 Its no longer legal to sell handguns of any type in Canada thanks to Prime Minister Bonzo and his incredible shrinking brain. I'd write the clown a tersely worded letter spelling out my contempt for his lackluster laws but I heard he's to busy waxing his overly hairy mangina to be troubled by concerns from us unwashed peons. The next federal election cycle can't come fast enough up here. I'm gonna run all over my city wearing a Anybody But Trudeau sign

[@samuelpatrick5050]

Idk about that sales reps story. Magazine capacity is irrelevant if the state has a roster scheme, and the state wont allow that handgun on said roster. Idk if and which states specifically would or would not have then on the roster of course. I live in a free state.

[@alrbredwall]

Glock has commented on the ten round magazine issue. This was primarily done so that they could sale guns in states with capacity restrictions.

[@lestagez]

than they should offer a magazine that people have the choice to buy,

[@textme1039]

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[@Skwisgar2322]

@Cigars And Whiskey also, it is what they do and know works, and they don't have to worry about steel mags wearing out polymer mag-catches, or metal mag catches wearing out polymer mags.

[@cali220ruiz3]

Glock 48/43/43x aren't even sold in California

[@jason200912]

It's a total lie btw because then each Glock 19 and 17 should have a 10 Rd mag and higher capacities would be sold seperately

[@errolwilcox747]

Glock could easily engineer and produce a reliable staggered stack mag. They don't do it because it would make some of their models essentially obsolete and cost them sales.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

Correct. This is why S&W jumped off the .357sig wagon with the M&Ps. 2015, 2016 era. Big Blue said why should we let consumers, gun owners say; hey, I can buy 3 M&P series barrels, conversion designs then buy 1 .40 pistol. 🛒 I have 2 stainless KKM barrels: 9x19mm .357sig for my M&P 4.25". I'd add S&W even into 2021, sold metal magazines with .40/.357 logo on them.

[@poconofrank9476]

I have an M&Pc originally chambered for 357 Sig. I bought a .40 S&W barrel, as well as a Storm Lake match grade 9mm barrel and a few 9mm magazines as well. Great little pistol that gives me some options. Glock has been left behind for a while now, but their fans will buy anything they release, no matter how redundant and useless..

[@user-mj1vb8jr6j]

I’m stoked they don’t. I love paying 10 bucks a pop for magpul to make the best magazine on the market that doesn’t rust. I like having a TON of mags (I buy 10 for my Glocks and 10 for my AR every year on my bday, I mark the old mag with a soldering iron to show they are used and they become training mags. It’s awesome rolling up to the range with 20 556 and 20 p17’s pre loaded so I can focus on shooting not hurting my thumbs

[@mikerobinson8734]

@@poconofrank9476 “Glock is left behind “ no sir I think you just need to catch up. Over 65% of all law enforcement agencies in the US use Glock. Including the USSS , Border patrol and military Special Operators.

[@conro7003]

I agree

[@podmonkey2501]

None of this changes the fact that Sig, S&W and Springfield Armory are eating Glock's lunch in the "micro 9" segment which is a fast growing and lucrative market segment indeed.

[@douglasmcnay644]

Considering that most of Glock's money is probably through military and law enforcement contracts (making the civilian market of secondary concern) it is really not a big leap to see why they haven't quickly jumped on the micro 9 bandwagon. While I think it would be a good move for them to compete in that market and they may eventually get there, I can see why it's not primary.

[@d3ltaohniner261]

Not when it comes to reliable options with enhanced capacity, Sig P365 is the king of that hill right now. But for no nonsense 100% reliability, Glock is still killing it in that category.

[@earlrissel4454]

@@d3ltaohniner261 I use and have used Springfield XD'S for work since their inception never had a jam or misfire and is reliable after thousands of rounds.

[@podmonkey2501]

@@d3ltaohniner261 No feeding issues with my Shield Plus so far. 2 years more than 1,000 rounds so far. I haven't heard of any such issues for other Shield Plusses nor for the P365. No mechanical device has perfect reliability but the performance of my Shield Plus thus far has given me total confidence for carry.

[@ignacio9399]

Micro 9s fuckin suck though.

[@saltwatersaddletramp7229]

Glock factory magazines are tough as nails. However, the polymer outer shell does have an effect on the interior space in the mag. 100% reliable is why I carry a Glock and will only use Glock mags.

[@jacobpetersen5662]

Same here!

[@dimassalazar906]

I found out that only Glock magazines are the most reliable.

[@carlman2842]

As long as Gaston Glock still controls the company, he will never allow any major deviation to his original concept.

[@voltaire5427]

If Gaston is still alive for gen 6, I predict Glock will fall out of favor within a decade. Glock has some work to do on their mags and ergos. Really not that hard though. Just copy Shadow Systems. They should be sweating bullets with the P365 series and PDP's floating around.

[@2fargonedaytona128]

Some still claim Wilhelm Bubuts was actually the true brain behind the design. Could be. I still think Mikhail did not truly design the Ak but zeeee Germans did

[@YaleCrane]

It’s like Steve Jobs and Apple

[@AleV69692]

​@@2fargonedaytona128just educate yourself on the development of the ak🤦

[@user-yp8ed4er7f]

@@voltaire5427 While I like the ergonomics on Shadow Systems, they are not as reliable, and I have no idea how they made poor trigger even worse.

[@UnApologeticPatriot]

You can solve all of this by just switching to a Shield Plus, Sig 365, Springfield Hellcat etc. They all sell the whole guns too and especially S&W have great reputations to protect... they all have higher capacity mags in roughly the same size gun. If Glock won't get with the times go with a company that will in my opinion.

[@freemel8929]

Already done, my x-macro has been my favorite EDC i've owned in a long time.

[@fiendslegacy]

I’m not going to “disagree”, but I sure won’t be making the live chat, and you lost me. In my experience Glock mags are 99.998% reliable. I probably had 500 rounds through a 43 mag so I’ll say 99.8%. Did something go over my head?

[@GunGuy258]

Better guns and better looking guns too.

[@insanity4082]

S&W has bad QC in my experience.

[@jacobpetersen5662]

None as reliable, easy to maintain and have such a large aftermarket. It's also lighter and slimmer which is a plus.

[@neilaxelrod5872]

Nothing mechanical can every be “100% reliable” but I get your point. Springs break, followers break, manufacturing defects happen.

[@SGU.TF-141]

Got to agreed…I bought a few of Shield arms magazines for the Glock 43x and they work well for the range. Like I said they’re great for the range but wouldn’t trust to carry them as a defensive magazine because they will jam occasionally. At the end of the day trying to find the perfect CCW pistol end up being the G19 😅

[@golfer963]

Canik elite will out shoot the Glock

[@Skwisgar2322]

@Trashman what does that have to do with this conversation at all?

[@saltwatertaffybag]

You misspelled PDP

[@mojaxon23]

@@Skwisgar2322 Lol yeah, completely irrelevant.

[@golfer963]

@Skwisgar2322 Because I want to upset all the glock fan boys and girls out there. lol 😆 😂 🤣

[@DocRock83]

I’ve owned a 43X for about 2yrs and have tried the Shield Arms mags several times and always had problems with failure to feed. You just can’t depend on them. I still have and carry the 43X but only with the glocks mags.

[@jth_printed_designs]

If you're interested in offloading a couple shield arms mags I may be interested. I don't want to run them, I just want to buy them for R&D on a magwell I am going to sell. Gen 2 is what I'm mainly looking for but if you have one of each that's optimal. let me know, thanks

[@SushiArmageddon]

More likely a problem with your gun than the magazines.

[@DocRock83]

@@jth_printed_designs I sold mine. Informed the guy the issues I had but he still wanted to buy them. Hopefully they work for him. Okay for the range i guess

[@hamishalexander5048]

good choice same as me only original mags

[@markallen4001]

Higher capacity is fine,but knowing a gun will be dependable is more confidence inducing. People who swear by more rounds probably don’t like revolvers and they have been protecting bodies for over 150 years.

[@baconatordoom]

For around $20 bucks for a factory mag, I'm not complaining. For a p365 mag, it's 49.99 directly from Sig (can find them on sale occasionally).

[@samsaasen4922]

My brother got a p320 awhile ago and was extremely limited on magazine options being in stock. Can’t relate brah!

[@11Shaa]

The mags are also prone to rusting

[@ColonelSanders17]

@@11Shaa true that

[@ClergetMusic]

This is one of the reasons I choose Glock. Their spare mags are significantly less expensive than the competitors. I like me a Sig, but their magazines are very expensive comparatively.

[@ClergetMusic]

@@11Shaa that’s another benefit to the polymer mag, I suppose.

[@danielrodriguez5463]

Glock nowadays feels so OLD, there are so many more advanced design choices

[@afridgetoofar1818]

Glock goes 💥 when you pull the trigger. What else do you want?

[@masterofreality230]

@@afridgetoofar1818 more rounds

[@afridgetoofar1818]

@@masterofreality230 Buy a Glock 19

[@masterofreality230]

@@afridgetoofar1818 I already have a P365X that can hold up to 17 and it weighs 17 ounces unloaded. The Glock 19 isnt a bad gun, but its not the best for edc for me.

[@danielrodriguez5463]

@@paullllehtx if you read or watch any of the many range rental reports of TODAY….S&W and Beretta keep beating Glock on fired rounds before part breakage by a long shot. And I am a competitive shooter, so let’s be real, most of those Glocks you saw during training were Glock frames with aftermarket steeple or other grip enhancements, for sure aftermarket METAL sights and most likely an extended aftermarket slide release and an aftermarket trigger shoe. And with their 43x /48 slim line that is ideal for conceal carry…Even more than ever nowadays Glock relies on aftermarket magazines ( shield arms) to come close to competing with the M&P Shield Plus, Springfield Hellcat, Sig P 365, Taurus G4, Ruger Max and IWI Masada Slim. Realice it GLOCK IS OLD!!!

[@anthonyioane4438]

I'd be swell to have more metal double stack double feed pistol magazines and DA/SA pistols as well.

[@gordo3697]

You should check out the HK p30 series the nicest magazines I have ever used between glock sig beretta metgar. Great pistols bomb proof for polymer hammer guns

[@samsaasen4922]

@@gordo3697 will be one of my next handgun purchases. I’m hard on the 1911 train right now so nothing is guaranteed

[@anthonyioane4438]

@@gordo3697 Seen em, don't care for pre cocked striker fired and prefer metal frame for weight. Never had any issues with my 92 FS.

[@gordo3697]

@@anthonyioane4438 the p30 is a hammer fired seires guns the vp9 is striker fired the look simular and share magazines. The 92fs is great I thought you said you wanted a polymer dasa hk is about all there is

[@gordo3697]

@@samsaasen4922 yeah dude if you got the money the langdon p30s are great for what they are. I like 1911s I just cant bring myself to buy a 2011 like a stacatto and discipline myself to save maybe a springfield emmisary or a similar single staxk

[@alaindiebra968]

I had a 43x from when they came out. I bought the first 15 shield magazine. I have put 2000 rounds on it and not one issue. Spring still strong. I bought the second generation of the magazine and so far no issues. My second magazine when carrying is the 10 Glock magazine. Like the show

[@hickok4586]

Glock mags are steel with a polymer shell. They could easily get rid of the polymer and either have wider steel mags with higher capacity, or slimmer firearms that accept the same mags without the polymer casing.

[@samsaasen4922]

If they did that they may as well go out and creat a metal version of the glock 19. Cough cough M&P

[@Swishersweetcigarilo]

Glock is so innovative! They just released the g47! (Sarcasim)

[@textme1039]

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[@john7m7usa]

But everyone else is doing double stacks micro 9s without any feeding issues. I get your point, but is it really accurate? Who knows. What we know for sure is that buying a Glock today is accepting to buy an inferior gun compared to its peers, and being willing to spend twice the cost of the gun to make it kinda-ok and almost as good as stock competitors. So, that’s a pass.

[@Robespierres_Ghost]

Because they've been making the same gun with almost no change for 30+ years.

[@TotalDbag24]

Might not make sense for the 43x or 48, but it'd make sense for the 43, which size wise compares better to the other micro 9's

[@Paelorian]

Glock isn't an aftermarket manufacturer like Shield Arms. They don't have to fit an existing magwell. They introduce new models with small changes every year. Why not produce a thinner Glock 19 with metal-walled magazines? Keep the double stack, just eliminate the polymer mag exterior and make the magwell and frame smaller to accommodate the slimmer mag. It would be 100% as reliable as the G19 and other double-stack Glocks. Maybe sacrificing a little magazine durability for a thinner magazine and gun. Worth it. Magazines don't need a polymer exterior to be reliable.

[@ChadHargis]

Funny...my Shield Arms mag in my 43x has never malfunctioned and I won't carry a gun until I put 400 rounds through it without failure. I've also never had any issues with my P365 mag which has a Magguts kit in it.

[@Skrillakilla]

Same, carry a 43x in the summer months. Shield arms mags, probably coming up on 1000s rounds with the gun and three mags from SA. No feed issues. Only thing I did was swap out the mag release to the metal one since I’ve seen some issues with the SA mags chewing up the stock mag releases.

[@masterofreality230]

Yea, I carry a P365x with mag guts, not a single issue. This is just a failure to innovate on Glocks part.

[@sonnygunz9207]

I have 3,852rds through SA mags. The Gen 1’s caused a nose dive malfunction every 200rds or so for me in the first 1,000rds. The Gen 2’s have not malfunctioned in the last 2,852rds. I have a dozen of them.

[@mikebussy3334]

My 43x mos with S15 mags runs like a raped ape.

[@SpecialEDy]

Glock was a plastic company first. Then they invented a plastic gun. Now here we are, 30 years later, telling them to stop using plastic.

[@Gun_Talk]

Glock was not the first polymer gun, neither it was the first striker fired gun...

[@sickboy8831]

never had a problem with my 43x with this mag

[@mikem2132]

I personally don’t like single stack or micro 9mm pistols because the grip is too skinny. The Glock 26 is my favorite summertime edc, I shoot it better and I’m more confident in it than my P365. If I wanted a single stack, I’d get something in 45 acp. I’m just not a big fan of little guns.

[@psychosteve4438]

I prefer my XDs .45 for EDC but I got the XDs Mod. 2 OSP 9mm AND the Hellcat for the wife in the past year and she's a big fan of both. 15+1 in a package that small is pretty sexy and will skin your ass quick, fast and in a hurry, before you realize what's happening to you.

[@misteraustralian3335]

Just buy a Glock 19 it’s easy to conceal and literally the same size as a 43X just wider

[@gsleatherworks2442]

Don’t forget glock mag catch is 100% polymer. A metal mag will deteriorate that polymer mag catch pretty quickly-metal vs plastic; metal wins.

[@11Shaa]

You know you can mill away some of the plastic on a g19 mag and it will fit in the 43/48. Look it up. People swear by them.

[@marktelep5856]

I gave Shield Arms a suggestion to make higher-capacity magazines for the Glock 36 (45 ACP) which is the same concept as the magazines for the 43, and 43X/48.

[@billchildress9756]

Years ago I bought a High Point ts995 that uses S-stack mags and yes I had to work on those too! It's a fun carbine to shoot and for 200.00 I would not complain at all.

[@Punketeria1369]

I love the magazine illustrations, especially the "9MM WIMP" on the ammo Hahahahaha 😂 chEErs

[@jimmybare3026]

I wasn't aware people were having problems with Shield mags in 43x and 48's.

[@MB84774]

The primary reason Glock does not make their magazines entirely from metal is that it would require them to make the magazine release from metal in order for there to be a 100% reliability. In order to make these metal mags they would need cbc machines and sheet metal stamping dies. Which they are simply not inclined to do as they acquire great profit margins. We all know the value of a standard glock mag is about 8 bucks yet glock charges about 24 per. Same goes with their pistols a glock 19 should only cost about 400 if it came with 3 mags yet they charge 600 and you get one. It's like apple products, you're being ripped off.

[@tonyraph4938]

Nice stamp on the back of those 9mm drawings 😂 9mm WIMP

[@roro-jj1fv]

Gotta love that WTFP on those picture rounds wtf does it stand for in the pistol lmbo

[@thebenior]

Glock sticks with fatty polymer mags for 2 reasons: -People would complain endlessly if a G17/19 replacement didn't take legacy magazines. -Glock makes the polymer magazines, isn't set up for large scale metal magazine manufacture, and doesn't want to give up any profits, or deal with the potential supply chain issues of contracting magazines from Mec-Gar and/or Checkmate.

[@toddl4424]

I've bought gen 1 and gen 2 shield arms mags and I have issues with fail to feed in both generations. Went back to oem mags. Side note, I purchased a FMK 9C1 mag, dremeled the mag catch a little bigger, and it works perfect in my 43x. 14+1 with that mag. Only issue is the baseplate is tilted a little different.

[@bobhill3941]

Great video, I appreciate the information and in-depth explanation. I always wondered about Glock polymer magazines!

[@textme1039]

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[@Bret_The_Hitman]

A glock 19 mag fits in a 43x if you shave the plastic down on one side

[@ricks.1092]

I ccw a G48. And kept the 10 round OEM mags. I just carry an extra mag....they're very light, when loaded. I did switch out the sights for Ameriglo's. As well as, the grip texture is the same as a G19, but it's tamed down. So had to add an a wrap around rubberized grip...can't recall the company name...but it was like $20. And that issue was solved.

[@samsaasen4922]

I bought one for my girlfriend and never said anything about that option to her. I just pretend the extra 5 round option doesn’t exist

[@killertruth186]

Did politicians tried to limit mags to 10 or less because of non perfect reliability? Or it was just pure coincidence?

[@EdTom82]

They reached up their gigantic, smelly asses and pulled out a random number.

[@danteprice1874]

How do u explain the glock 17

[@bbeck104]

I'd love to see a similar analysis of very unusual magazines like the P90 mag.

[@havoc1zero]

I would love to see how Sig managed to figure it out with their magazines for the p365. I think they transition from staggered to single stack near the top if I understand it correctly.

[@wpsinc61]

Easy, the Sig 365 trigger return spring will likely fail before you notice the magazine feed issues…. The Sig Dead Trigger is a known issue which SIG has not yet acknowledged - 5 extra rounds in the mag isn’t peace of mind if your Sig won’t fire!! (or if its a P320 goes off all by itself!)

[@havoc1zero]

@@wpsinc61 ok I still don’t understand what the trigger reset issue has to do with the magazine. I don’t know what you took from my question but I’m simply curious as to the construction of the sig magazine.

[@textme1039]

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[@lorddarius8417]

Well glock don't put unreliable and untested gun out their for people to test it for them unlike the sig glock has reputation and doesn't want to ruin it

[@poconofrank9476]

@@lorddarius8417 Glock just released outdated, unimpressive pistols with a model number list that reads like a church bingo ticket. G47…. BINGO!!! None of my Sig’s ever have had any issues whatsoever, but they are all optics ready, have actual iron sights and much better triggers than Glock.

[@quoththeraven7]

Sig figured it out with the P365. And Springfield did the same with the Hellcat. So why can't Glock figure it out with their thin Gun? But then again, who can blame Glock that. Make the reliable gun and magazines they know everyone will buy it. And let the third party make some money.

[@textme1039]

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[@gamingdreams2142]

No matter what anyone says about glock they are the most reliable semi auto to this date.

[@sazarac28]

And they still have not been surpassed by any other manufacturer imo.

[@megamouthspike1930]

Glock gets a ridiculous amount of hate, given how effective their firearms are. 90% of all police involved shootings on the news report a cop neutralizing a perp with a Glock.

[@walkinghard3956]

Yup! The only REAL reason people hate/bitch about glock is because of the price. If they were cheaper then you wouldn't hear as much hate. My dad always says buy nice or buy twice, instead of buying that $300 9mm just save some more and go get that glock when you can afford it. If not..... buy a taurus lol or some other piece of shit.

[@fivecrosses9040]

Never had a problem with a sig p226

[@bobcharles7933]

@@walkinghard3956 : Can't agree with that. As an example: Ruger Security 9 - 4K+ rounds no failures, Security 9 Compact - 3K+ rounds no failures, Max 9 - 2.5K rounds no failures. I own all 3 of those and each were around 200 to 250 bucks less than my Glocks of comparable sizes (which I also own). The reliability of Glocks is excellent but anyone who discounts the less expensive options has never used them. And anyone who thinks Glocks are always reliable should pick up a Glock 44... run a Taurus TX-22 over with a semi truck and it will still be more reliable than those junk 44s.

[@mrwillstam]

My Walther PDP has a polymer frame and metal magazines. Inside of the magwell is heavily gouged from the metal mag/ bullets rubbing the inside of the frame. Polymer on polymer causes much less resistance and damage than a metal mag on a polymer frame. Just a thought. I have less than 1,000 rounds on it. I've seen the same thing on the Sig P320s.

[@TerminalM193]

I ended up having to purchase 10% extra power springs for all of my pdp 18rd mags. The springs in the oem mags are severely underpowered and after about 15 - 20 full cycles through one of their magazines it immediately starts introducing failure to feeds where the next round being stripped off the magazine ends up getting pinched on the very bottom of the feed ramp and the breech face. I've probably ran over 4k rounds in my pdp and the only issues I've had have been magazine related. So far I have maybe 800 rounds on the new 3rd party springs with zero issues.

[@billchildress9756]

I've had to work on D-Stack mags to get them to work right, So I see the point in S-Stack.

[@todglenn2707]

Amazing how many autos use steel staggered with perfect reliability. Pretty much everyone except Glock. But polymer mags are far cheaper to make.

[@mikebussy3334]

Factory Glock mags are steel with plastic on the outside

[@Conserpov]

There is no such thing as "staggered mag with reliability", let alone with perfect reliability. Double-stack but single-feed mags are already a big compromise reliability-wise.

[@todglenn2707]

@@mikebussy3334 They have steel reinforcers, but not a complete steel body covered in polymer.

[@johnelder4273]

Glock is doing something right. I carried a Glock 22 for 20 years as an LEO and was a firearms Instructor for a few years and I never had a factory Glock magazine fail. I'm still shooting some of those same magazines nine years into my retirement and only one magazine (one for my Glock 27) has ever malfunctioned.

[@EOTechN9ne]

I had some issues with shield arms so I personally wouldn't run them. I just run a simple double stack for everyday carry.

[@harrycallahan692]

6 Rounds in my Model 29-2 is good enough for me!

[@jonrobb6512]

I have 2 of the 43x's and 4 of Shield Arms mags. I've ran roughly 1600 rounds through them (400rds each). No issues so far. Hopefully they hold up.

[@joshportelli]

Maybe glock pass criteria is 10,000 rounds without failure. With magazine that has been temperature cycled many times and exposed to high humidity (corrosion) to simulate 10yr old magazine.

[@Mediiiicc]

Glock is done innovating.

[@aaronbeaulieu7453]

9mm WIMP loaded into both magazines. LOL Yankee. Very clever. Probably why they are not very reliable. Awesome video. God bless. Always Faithful, Always Forward. Aaron Beaulieu

[@thateffinguy2422]

It took me half way through the video before I realized that you wrote "9mm WIMP" on your animations🤣😤🤣

[@mrpac-mann]

I made a video I had problems with shield arms mags sent them back they told me everything was inspect and they sent them back now they sit in a drawer in my desk

[@N3wbMa5t3r]

I have a Glock 48 with shield arms mags and a metal mag release. I've fired 2,000+ rounds through it with maybe 3 tap/rack malfunctions... 😂😂😂

[@alexllc2958]

When you life depend on it , Beretta FS will keep you alive , you want to save money and play at the range then any gun will do ... This is not speculation , it is a real life experience ...

[@mperich003]

Metal mags will wear out the plastic mag release.

[@RicArmstrong]

Then put a metal mag release in the gun for $0.50

[@nithia]

And that is why it is recommended to change to a metal mag release if you decide to use the Shield Arms mags.

[@Elwood128]

Glock is like the happy meal equivalent to big boy toys.

[@cliffcollins2497]

can not argue with success! Thank you and take care!

[@victorrojas5221]

I understand what you are saying. However why is it that everyone else is having all of this issues. The 365 has a 17rd mag and yet still have no issues. Only Glock has this issue.

[@TheHandHistoryVault]

Well the 17 round mag for the X-Macro does have flaws. Some Mags are hard to load, some aren't. Also, the mags seem too loose in the inside, if you load the mag full, shake it, you will hear the rounds move front to back. Sig needs to that issue.

[@TheYankeeMarshal]

As already mentioned, that 17 round magazine isn’t known for its reliability. Also if you notice it isn’t the same height as a standard mag. It’s completely redesigned.

[@fattywithafirearm]

Also the inside of glock mags is a metal liner. So glock knows how to use metal. They are just married to their current mag designs.

[@DRAGONWARRIOR2]

So I guess it has nothing to do with the fact that if they fielded all metal mags it would wear out the plastic magazine release and you soon wouldn't be able to get the mags to "catch" / "release" now does it. I didn't think so either.

[@snowflakecuntreeman3947]

I'm confused, does smooth metal wear away smooth plastic? Someone should tell that to car parts manufacturers and garden tool manufacturers as I've seen many metal on plastic moving parts in my life.

[@maverick9708]

@@snowflakecuntreeman3947 depends on how it's designed, if you have a plastic square and you rub the corner against a metal hole for long enough, you will wear it down until its round. If you have 2 smooth and flat surfaces rubbing then it doesn't matter nearly as much. The mag release interface is the problem he is alluding to and I have experience with enough worn mag releases to know that it's very possible

[@rickcalbert8814]

I carry a G 48, which i got anticipating 2A infringements since it's 10+1, and it's not single stack, it's 1 1/2 stack, like my sig .45 w/ 12+1.

[@johnphillips222]

The actual engineering reason is the plastic magazine slot in the magazine body has to match up with a plastic magazine catch. Once the G43X and G48 were in production with plastic mag catches ...Glock had to stick to plastic magazine body cutouts (on a metal lined magazine). Glock missed that window for an OEM design with a metal magazine body slot and a metal magazine catch, due to upward and downward compatability. Shield Arms can force a metal mag catch upgrade for the S15 mags. Glock cannot do the same as the aftermarket. Shield Arms makes good money. Glock sells more Slimlines. It is symbiotic.

[@TarmanDan]

Great video Yankee! I own 4 Glocks and run them stock , Except for my 43x. Those SA15 round mags run flawless!

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[@coreykononchuk]

I have the gen 2 ambi Shield mags for my G43X and they do get hung up on the metal magazine catch. Allegedly there’s a revised mag catch from Shield that is supposed to address this. No feeding issues to report, but if you’re trying to reload in the middle of an “encounter” the snagging issue could be a big problem.

[@tylerlondon5052]

Metal magazines aren't as durable. At this point a hit in capacity is the price you pay for an apocalypse magazine. Nice graphics, btw.

[@MrDrew1]

For a concealed carry gun I'm fine with the 10+1 factory mags in my 43x. I don't like the Shield mags because you have to change the mag release too and then you're not supposed to use the factory mags unless you change the the mag release back.

[@carpediem5116]

Finally an academically exceptional video. This is 100% spot on. While debate is at the core of the Hegelian Dialectic, anybody who disagrees with this video or offers verbal diarrhea after this well thought out presentation is simply an AH! In my humble opinion, of course :)

[@hunter1028]

Is traded my 43X a couple of months ago and I got good guns, but theres something about Glock that makes me feel comfortable for having it, and I want another one.

[@lgwappo]

Curious if nickel-plated cases beat brass in double-stack or staggered mags. I run cheap steel case ammo through new pistols to check function.

[@joshportelli]

Not to mention Glock magazine testing probably involves aging the magazines with spring compression cycles, extreme hot/cold cycles, and exposure to some humidity (corrosion) before they test to some outrageous round count (10,000) without failure. Maybe others just test at room temperature with brand new mag. That is one of the many differences between OEM and aftermarket parts, the test parameters and pass criteria.

[@danteprice1874]

thats why the only other firearm id trust besides AGlock is aCanik

[@Burkholder1994]

I wonder if they could do like the Shield Plus does and have a double stack with a single feed. Lose a round or 2 on the double stack capacity but still does a single feed straight up.

[@Nono-rh4lr]

Yea when asked directly Glock commented Gaston requires the plastic outer shell to safeguard the metal mag. With the extra plastic they can’t make it work. Once he is no longer in full control it might change.

[@lynnlittle8671]

The day Mec-Gar starts making mags for my 43X MOS, I'll buy a few. Until then, the Glock 10 rounders will do.

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[@theshapeexists]

I like polymer sliding on polymer, rather than steel rubbing on polymer. I had a very early Springfield xd service i wore out, and the inside of the magazine well was so chewed up after years of mag changes. I had to sand the inside of the frame so mags wouldnt snag. That's why i like the glock magazine design. I have 35 year old glocks that has brand new looking mag wells.

[@blutorlz3]

PSA adopted their own metal mags for the micro dagger. Don't have to change your polymer mag catch to use those 15 rounders in a g43x/g48, unlike the shield arms product.

[@AKAKILLINGKING]

Could they made a metal mag for the Glock 17, I wonder if shield could fit 20+rounds flush in the 17 then 30 with a base plate

[@zrandom4896]

Say what you want about clock and their refusal to “change”, but you cant deny their reliability.

[@shanefoye6635]

Are the springs made of the same metal in the single stack and non-single stack?

[@ryanhendley4050]

So you're telling me, glock cannot do math , That's why I like a sig 365

[@pump5687]

Where do you get your percentage of reliability from individual magazine types. Plenty of single stack mags in various handguns through the years that have been Jamomatics. Magazines are not the only issue determining a firearm reliability. Single stack, double stack or staggered the gun could function or not because it may be of poor quality, or maybe needs a Kimber 500 rd break in. I guess we should get all three mag types and have SAGE DYNAMICS who tested shield arms S15 for 7000 rds while abusing them and functioning reliably. As he said boringly reliable. I love Glock but they are a bunch of hard heads that do what they want to do. But I do agree I can’t carry with a gun pointing at my junk either.

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[@DeadGothicRed]

I guess if I had those models then yeah I guess but I'm thankful that all the PMAG Glock mags I use both 15 and 17 cap for my G19 give me what I want with both cost and effectiveness given.

[@shanecabbage2187]

5:19 is the key statement. Thanks for the explanation, it is nice to have this knowledge. So, is there a way to lubricate mags to increase reliability without making a mess?

[@albertoalfonso9780]

It’s always refreshing to hear from someone who knows more about these things than I do. As always, great point and presentation.

[@stevenmitchell6347]

The recent resurgence in single stack 10rd or less mags, formerly the realm of el-cheapo guns, is to get more sales in states with magazine bans! They claim its for reduced "printing" but plenty of double stack pistols print exactly the same. It's marketing and sales driven.

[@textme1039]

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[@jamesholden6142]

haven't had any problems with my Shield Arms magazines. If I couldn't get a 15 round mag for my 43X, then I would not be carrying a 43X

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[@Craig_Narramoore]

As the magazine spring wears through use the magazines gets less and less reliable just like the recoil spring. That's why they are a replaceable part.

[@grbdevnull5611]

I hadn't considered the feeding reliability factor. I had assumed that they wanted to keep the polymer body to protect the mag from being deformed when dropped. That's still kind of a reliability factor, but not the one you were dealing with.

[@Mr.T711]

I don’t have Glocks anymore but I did like that the polymer helped prevent the mags from getting dings and quieter dropping. Also nice sweaty hands don’t corrode the mag exteriors.

[@joshportelli]

@@Mr.T711 I was going to say polymer may be chosen for its corrosion resistance as well.

[@maverick9708]

It's a trade off, polymer is less ductile but more brittle. I've never bent a metal pistol mag even after abuse and I haven't shattered a polymer mag either. I suspect that glock keeps them polymer for a lot of reasons but a big one is that the mag release and everything else is deigned to interface with plastic for lubricity and parts wear

[@Mr.T711]

@@maverick9708 Good point.

[@wharris7594]

Once you change the magazine release and magazines to metal they wear out the magwell making the frame useless, stay with polymer for this reason

[@demomanmatt]

All my double stack and staggered mags are way more than 98% reliable.

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[@harrismahaffey201]

Did anyone else catch the back of the cartridge said 9 mm wimp I thought it was so funny

[@noncompliant209cali]

Palmetto State Armory is going to realize a micro dagger with their own 15 round magazine!

[@lanceblinent7909]

Thanks for clearing that up. I can't tell you how many times I laid awake at night pondering why Glock doesn't make metal magazines.

[@textme1039]

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[@RyanSvahn]

As someone who has two shield arms 15 round mags for my 43x I have yet to have one jam due to the mag. I have had jams before but it was just because I was shooting crappy Tula. I probably have almost or a little over 1000 rounds through mine.❤ps love u and the channel

[@jayp4114]

"I am grown Ass Man !". Very straight to the point video.

[@djjd3027]

Everybody has ways that glock can do things better. Problem is glock can't hear anyone over the cash register ringing

[@bdr32965]

Is it just me, or did anyone else notice that those rounds were stamped 9mm WIMP? I'm a 10mm fan and I agree. ROTFLMFAO

[@buffalobmf]

None of this changes that p365, hellcat and other staggered micro guns are killing glock in that segment

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[@DeAthWaGer]

"9MM WIMP” 🤣

[@nofunatall4094]

I got a laugh from that as well.

[@GH-cp9wc]

Nicely done!

[@carson2646]

I have both a 43x and a 48 that I run S15 mags in. I have never had one malfunction in either. That’s good enough for me

[@thematrix248]

I cannot get your reasoning ,17 19 34 19x 26 ,all have staggered mags ,but they still work 100 % or 99 % , nothing works 100% all there life. I think Glock will not do it , because it will cost Glock a lot of money to make a metal mag and test it ,to make it reliable .They know there polymer mags works .