Why Grandmaster Luke Absolutely HATED Count Dooku - Star Wars Explained

[@christopherbailey5616]

Qui-gon really was the center of everything. His death was the first domino ti fall before the Empire's creation.

[@Leondrius]

I don't know about the center. The Empire was inevitable with Palpatine in office.

[@Gor85]

Absolutely

[@phillipthibault3947]

Qui gon was a practitioner of listening to the force and its guidance in all things and frankly his distrust for the council was engrained by Dooku. This allowed him to be able to walk away if they would not allow him to train Anakin. A Jedi who was selfless not willing to play politics and had no lever to exploit and was only beholden to the force. This was the biggest threat Palpatine.

[@undertone2472]

The duel of the fates indeed.

[@Althar9809]

Plagueis and his death is actually the archetype of all that. The death of Qui-Gon by the training of Maul, the Empire and even the first idea for the Death Star and the birth of Anakin

[@pingamalinga]

Luke didn't see Dooku fight off 3 Night Sisters in his pajamas.

[@jenniferpomotov8329]

That was awesome

[@dragondude9637]

...and while blinded by poison too!

[@dreadrath]

He is more stylish than any jedi, even Luke.

[@mRibbons]

Lol. Nicely put. 👍

[@pullo5518]

Stylish even when sleepy.

[@nurseactual]

Dooku had good reasons to leave the Jedi order, but he fell to the old axiom- the ends justify the means. He was going to achieve his goals come hell or high water.

[@ranpan6082]

Palpatine also drove him insane with the Dark Side, slowly eroding away his morals and compassion until he was nothing but a hate-filled monstrous being.

[@bemeek]

My mind immediately went to Chris from Family Guy saying, “You don’t even know me!”.

[@NostalgicGamerRickOShay]

You know what, that's fair.

[@macgyver42563]

@rickoshay5525 I'm Pignose and this is my cousin Scott. He's visiting from Hoth.

[@richietribe9487]

Luke didn't watch "Tales of the Jedi"

[@starkillerab1582]

He ain’t the only one who hasn’t

[@ronengle9524]

I need to watch it

[@beehivehurricaine]

Or read the revenge of the sith novelisation

[@jyveturkey1894]

​@@beehivehurricaine amen!

[@jyveturkey1894]

​@@starkillerab1582I haven't

[@robstoppablecosplay]

I believe Luke is right up to a point about Dooku. I see Dooku as a tragic character, a warrior who wanted to do right by the people he protected and served, but that moral attitude was corrupted by Darth Sidious and the Dark Side. As the Bendu once said: "The temptation of power, forbidden knowledge, even the desire to do good can lead some down that path.". In a way he was on the same road that Anakin Skywalker would later find himself, wanting to do right for a cause he believed in and Darth Sidious would use this against him. Dooku is in a way a Shakespearian tragedy, a noble warrior becoming apart of the corruption he vowed to destroy.

[@BladeEdge86]

The difference though is that Dooku wasn't as emotionally driven as Anakin, Dooku in a nutshell can best be described as a jilted idealist.

[@samuelrobles3737]

Luke knew Anakin's story but not Dooku's and as such is critical of it. But had he known that Dooku's fall was almost identical to Anakin's, he would have more compassion for him. But since even Kenobi didn't know, Luke had no chance of having the correct view of Dooku

[@colinschmitz8297]

Precisely, Luke's view of things was laced with nepotism. If it's my father there must be good in him somewhere and if this person was somehow involved in his father's fall, The person is pure evil. Dooku and Vader are not that different. In some ways I would say dooku had more noble intentions than Vader did. Peters were always focused on himself. Dooku was misguided but some of the what he was supporting didn't really benefit him one way or the other.

[@bragnir]

@@colinschmitz8297 The thing is, while Luke was wrong on Dooku being any more evil than Vader, what ultimately distinguishes them is in WHO could have brought these two back to the Light, as both fell far enough toward the worst of their careers (With Vader, that being QUITE a bit faster than with Dooku). Both Sith Lords had fallen so thoroughly they could only hope to be redeemed by one person (in Vader's case, possibly two, as Leia was his daughter, too... Though he'd gone and tortured her before...) The key difference, here, is that the one person who could've possibly redeemed Dooku, was already dead by the time he needed redeeming; whereas Luke came about at the right time and place to pull Anakin back out of Vader's psyche... Something both Obi Wan and Ahsoka had repeatedly failed to do before. Was there a glimmer of light in both? Yes. Even in freaking Vader. That, however, doesn't guarantee a redemption if you just don't have with you someone who can actually reach that glimmer.

[@terencebaker306]

Theres more to it than that. Anakin was young, new to world really. Dooku was old enough to have experience in knowing morality. Its clearly pointed out Anakin's fall while similar he wasn't truly evil, there was a core part of him that stayed with him long enough to be brought out. Count Dooku on the other hand had no good left in him. His fall into the dark was swift and practically anchored. and because of his nature his corruption was sealed.

[@CoffeePot31]

The difference between Dooku and Anakin Skywalker is that there was still that spark of good in Anakin, Padmé knew it, Luke knew it. Anakin was more conflicted and Dooku was happy to slaughter innocent lives.

[@colinschmitz8297]

@@CoffeePot31 young adult or older adult, doesn't matter. He's an adult and after his training should know better. Anakin killed children twice. Padme is an enabler. If his murder of the Tusken Raiders wasn't bad enough which should have been reported by her and been the end of any relationship between them, but instead she married him at the first chance available. Her conclusion after Obi-Wan stopped Anakin from choking her to death is Anakin is good is a terrible message. He is evil regardless of what George or Disney wants to say. Dooku did spare Obi-Wan's life in their final battle despite Palpatine telling him to kill Obi-Wan. Dooku didn't have sith eyes vs Anakin did.

[@MrRasheed7]

I think Dooku was alot like Anakin. He initially went to the darkside for noble reasons.... but those reasons quickly turned into excuses to gain more and more power. Greed for power, and paranoia over losing it what Dooku and also Anakin devolved into

[@TheShadow14150]

As much as they’d both hate to admit it: they are very similar! Both main in duel-eccentric lightsaber forms (and are renowned for it), Both had attachments, both betrayed the Jedi to change the galaxy, but most of all: they were widely misunderstood (in a bad light). But only one of them would say “I am more powerful than the emperor… I can overthrow him!” 😂

[@shkotayd9749]

Dooku's fall is a prime example of how the greatest harms can arise from the very best of intentions, if we do not move with great care. We all can empathize with his reasons for his fall, while still understanding that he became the very horrors he claimed to oppose. The Dark Side has always been very particular that way. The Jedi were far from perfect, but look at the alternative.

[@nickcalderon2637]

Unfortunately many people will ignore all of this in favor of “But, muh Grey Jedi” Fantasies, all for the sake of shallow Moral Grey storytelling.

[@darth.dominus.the.savage]

Rather be a sith than a hypocritical self righteous stuck up dogmatic fool of a jedi

[@diasavia246]

​@@nickcalderon2637How in any way, shape or form is "morally grey storytelling" shallow?? Its the opposite, lmao - I learned in Creative Writing class in *high school* the shallow form of char development is Black & White storytelling, NOT shades of grey. A char who has flaws n feats alike is far more compelling than 1 who is a perfect good or perfect evil, but that doesnt mean there aint room for those types too - It just shouldnt be *everyhing*. (The Grey Jedi debate is a diff debate entirely)

[@nickcalderon2637]

@@diasavia246 I probably should’ve clarified what I meant by shallow morally Grey storytelling. I’m not calling it shallow as a whole, I was trying to say that having something be Morally Grey, for the SAKE of it being Morally Grey, is shallow storytelling. Star Wars has always been a simple Black and White Story, it’s Simple Good vs Evil, the Heroes have Flaws, but not to the point that the story starts becoming Morally Grey. So the fault lies on me for implying that Moral Grey Storytelling as a whole is shallow.

[@MrLePov]

Both Dooku and Saruman were initially heroes who did what they thought was the right path to destroy evil, but the path corrupted them, until they became the very thing they had once sought to destroy.

[@ZBlader257]

The irony is that these two were played by the same actor

[@5pydieman]

"Darth Tyrannus" is the dopest Sith name to me if i didn't know who Vader was i would assume it was him based on lore lol

[@mlo009]

Thought he was a dinosaur.

[@azunkor422]

Also fitting as he was Tyrannical Nobleman

[@richv1893]

I'm glad to hear you torpedoed this fantasy about Dooku being some sort of undercover hero. Dooku became more Evil everyday he was a Sith Lord.

[@VictoriousWatchman]

My favorite scene from all of Star Wars is when they tap Jabba to wake him up and he goes “Woooooooo!”

[@TheExecutorr]

I have a whole sound library of just Jabba noises. Initially because in a Star Wars TTRPG game I was running, a hutt was part of the story. Now I just use it for comedic effect because it would be a waste not to.

[@VictoriousWatchman]

@@TheExecutorr WOoOO0!

[@TheExecutorr]

@@VictoriousWatchman "Hohoho. Silly Jedai, Silly Jedai!"

[@DimensionN87]

A true star wars enjoyer, you are

[@justinwilliams8281]

I like to believe that, in his final moments upon realizing he’d been betrayed by Sidious and had only ever been an expendable pawn in his master’s grand scheme, Dooku recognized his errors, felt remorse for them, and was returned to the light mere seconds before being killed by Anakin, allowing him to become one with the cosmic force.

[@darkwulf23]

He can’t call Douku evil while calling Vader good. Everything Douku has done, Vader has done.

[@Maddog-xc2zv]

there's a nuance of a difference: while embracing the dark side, Vader always lived in conflict with himself, a small catch that tell a lot about people: Dooku was never conflicted after he turned to the dark side and become a sith lord. As said, it may be just a nuance, nut a nuance powerful enough to make Vader, the ex jedi of attachements - redeem himself by rejecting the dark side, throwing the emperor down a reactor "tunnel" because of the love he realized he had for Luke and most likely the gesture to his somehow redemption. Dooku was the opposite of one able to feel love, even less when he fell to the dark side. Cheers.

[@taetrrtot6205]

@@Maddog-xc2zv Yes but Dooku was essentially attempting to sacrifice himself for the betterment of the others. Vader was trying to sacrifice everyone for his own gains. One was uncertain if their goal was correct the other wasn't

[@krispalermo8133]

@@taetrrtot6205 It rhythms.

[@SingleTax]

It's always been my understanding that Luke regarded Anakin -- not Vader -- as good (because he saw them as two different people, just as Yoda and Obi-Wan did). With regard to Vader, as he told Luke in Return of the Jedi, "I *must* obey my master." Vader's armored suit was designed to make him a complete and total slave to Sidious. If he didn't do what he was told, all Sidious had to do was apply his force lightning to Vader's life support system, and Vader would have no choice but to submit. Dooku wasn't hampered by this handicap. so I think he had less of an excuse for doing Sidious' bidding than Vader.

[@dreadrath]

@@Maddog-xc2zv That's an interesting point. And the funny thing with that nuance is that it sort of comes back to both their time as Jedi. Dooku joined the order very young and was raised ti reject attatchment (Not always successfully) while Anakin came to the order quite a bit older and still have strong attachments he was never able to let go of. Dooku went all in with the jedi until the order dissopointed him then he went all in with the Sith which also betrayed him. Anakin however was conflicted as a jedi, and conflicted as a Sith. So in a way, the Jedi conditioned kind of screwed Dooku in the long run. The only hole in this little perspective of mine is that Dooku did have one massive attachment to Qui Gon, but once Qui-Gon was gone, any chance at redemption for Dooku went with him since Qui-Gon was the only person who had any chance of bringing Dooku back to the light.

[@jaythor70]

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions" is a what came to mind concerning Dooku. He was absolutely right, in the beginning. The Senate was corrupt. The Jedi order was clueless and ineffective. Dooku messed up by not doing what Qui-Gon did- trusting and following the Force. He allowed his own ambitions and his ego to carry him into the Dark side.

[@codename618]

Luke's assessment of Dooku is actually very similar to my own. Tales of the Jedi may have fleshed out the origin of his fall, but it doesn't suddenly make him this "hero." It's actually really refreshing to hear a discussion of Dooku that mirrors my own thoughts towards him, nevermind the fact that it's backed up by an official source. A tragic villain is still a villain at the end of the day.

[@westoncameron8043]

Of course Dooku was evil. He fits the fallen hero trope perfectly, exactly like Anakin. Both of them did the things they did, at first, out of fear, anger and desperation. But that doesn't excuse what they did. Both were fully aware that how they were trying to accomplish their goals were wrong, but they chose to do them anyways. That, I think, truly defines an evil person: Somebody who knows better but willingly chooses to commit evil acts. The more one embraces the light, the farther into darkness they'll fall if they choose to fall from grace.

[@idiocrat3744]

I think that while Dooku became a villain, he still had redeemable qualities, but nobody who somewhat mattered to him wanted to humble him to give a second chance, instead they wanted to kill him. It's also a contrast between Grandmaster Luke and the Jedi Knight Luke from ep.6. This experienced Luke would probably have killed Vader on the DS2 with this kind of thinking.

[@Unpopular_Duality.]

I love Luke's assessment of douku, and its very fitting. Yes he's easy to sympathize with because he's trying to fight for the right causes but it flawed in his approach to it. Douku essentially mirrors anakin's fall somewhat and the masses of fans love that kind of story. The good falling to evil is easy to sympathize with instead of good being good all the way and suffering the bad outcomes to ultimately win the day.

[@501stdivision20]

Count Dooku's always been a mystery to me and I love Star Wars lore

[@Ainttrippin]

what parts of him are a mystery?

[@501stdivision20]

he looks like he's an honest guy that has honest intentions but then the next moment can you see him killing Jedi and breaking his morals

[@501stdivision20]

But he wants to stop corruption

[@Ainttrippin]

@@501stdivision20 All great villains make themselves looks like "honest guys" to hide their intentions. Some of the earlier novelizations hint at it or show it; but Tales of the Jedi shows onscreen how even when he was an active Jedi Master he didn't really have control over himself or his anger. He saw himself and the Jedi as better than others, above the law.

[@Ainttrippin]

@@501stdivision20 He wanted to stop corruption by helping another evil guy TAKE OVER THE GALAXY via a false war that killed billions of beings...think about it whether or not that is truly a quest to "end corruption"

[@neverclevernorwitty7821]

Dooku is a classic tragedy. You understand his perspective even his suffering, and you grieve when he makes each wrong decision. As much as I would have loved to see Dooku reverse course, I know for certain that if somehow QGJ survived TPM, Dooku would have eventually turned against him too.

[@Celticbear27]

And this is why Legends Luke is absolutely amazing.

[@chadbrad8100]

don't worry legends is canon😉

[@djnavarro3212]

And Master Windu and Master Mundi think he’s not capable of killing Jedi. WRONG! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Halloweendm]

Well they got set straight about that near the end of the movie, huh?

[@jenniferpomotov8329]

Lmao

[@Titanfell-d3i]

Well to Jedi Order he was well respected politician and their friend to some of them. Even if he left the order, he still was welcomed to the temple anytime. So I see why some Masters wouldn't believe it right away, their image of Dooku as respected Jedi, coworker and friend clashed with accusations about him

[@ketamineheadyoda2248]

A mother wouldnt believe, if her own child is a murderer. Dooku was one of them, he was still welcomed in the temple and still had his lightsaber. The jedi trusted him. Everyone wouldnt believe the accusation, if someone close was hit.

[@Halloweendm]

@@ketamineheadyoda2248 A mother wouldn’t believe? Are you kidding? How many robbers and gang bangers get put down and their mothers are on the news whining that their boy was shot, or worse, saying why did the people that shot him have to defend themselves! Gimme a break! Yes the Jedi didn’t see it coming from Dooku til the battle of Geonosis but by then it was too late. Over 200 Jedi were killed in that battle! So they learned PDQ that Dooku meant business!

[@brianhardison5132]

Well I recognize that you're talking about the comic book about count dooku because in the animated series of clone wars Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas lightsaber was found on his crashed shuttle that led them to the pike syndicate. It's amazing how much they buried back and forth

[@scottmccrea1873]

He reminds me of *Hermann Goering.* A man who could have easily rose to lead the Republic himself. A man who, instead, committed himself to a man even eviller than he was. Unlike say Maul or Himmler, Dooku/Goering could have and did have an independent life. But he chose otherwise.

[@SavageAcorn]

Dooku was bad to the bone. He had no qualms with taking the lives of his best friend, his own sister, an innocent infant in Jabbas son, Obi-Wan, and or tortuing those close to him. He was also fine with racism and believed in enslaving other races or species so long as it benefitted him. He even smiled as he butchered Obi-Wan. Luke was 100% right in his assessment. He was genuinely complicit with all of the carnage that he and Sidious brought about. He was essentially Light Yagami with a lightsaber and force powers.

[@thescepterofjudah12]

For Luke to FEEL this, that’s a bias towards his Father. I don’t ever recall Count Dooku killing any children. Vader killed children when he was a 95% human being, and still carrier out those feats as a 90% Cyborg tyrant. Vader was cold, heartless, and merciless (though there were a few times he showed mercy). Luke was born during the height of the corruption of the Senate, and at the very moment when Emperor Sidious had gained full power of the galaxy. Dooku saw the fall of the Jedi Order before the Jedi Order fell. What most people don’t understand is that in order to take control of a broken system, lives have to be lost, and tough decisions have to be made. Dooku literally told Obi-Wan Kenobi the truth in Attack Of The Clones, and who the Sith Lord was. Despite that, all through the Clone Wars Kenobi was busy fighting Dooku and Maul while being so close to the truth, but so far due to having cloudy judgement in the Force as an Order. It wasn’t until the moment Anakin fell to the Darkside that all of what Dooku had told Kenobi came to fruition (albeit at the demise of Dooku and the fall of the Separatist movement on Coruscant). I have no issue with the things Dooku did, because the Jedi were hypocrites, and many attacked him in the name of the Republic that was lead by corrupt Senate controlled by manipulative Chancellor.

[@pkizzlebeats]

Literally told him the truth n obi wan didn’t believe had he did in the slightest the clone war might not have played out the same way…Jedi played a too patiently wait to see what happens game as well as serving the senate not the galaxy which is why dooku left. Anakin left for similar reasons but the main one was to save padme from death, that was primarily the sole reason, so Luke can only see why Vader was able to be redeemed. All of dookus family is dead, he killed all of his friends who were Jedi, n the ones he didn’t betrayed were eventually killed by sidious anyways, so it’s not like dooku was complying from a place of pure compassion n love for his family he was all alone at that point, which make dookus case even more sad than it already is

[@thescepterofjudah12]

@@pkizzlebeats Dooku never killed any children, and Dooku’s family (his Father) detested him because he was Force Sensitive. Which is how he arrived in Jedi Order. Outside of Syfo-Dyas, most of the Jedi did not agree with Dooku’s outlook of the Republic and his he Senate. Dooku had the courage and smarts to leave the Jedi Order, Anakin did not. If we’re picking straws, then Anakin/Vader was probably worse in totality. Vader killed many Jedi and tried to kill and at times succeeded in killing those he personally knew from the Order. Dooku killing friends and fellow Jedi came at a cost, because no one person attains absolute power unless they step on people along the way. The Emperor did it.

[@archmage115]

'Entering politics put him into a downward spiral.' Too true.

[@sith145]

At least Dooku didnt consider killing his own nephew!

[@SuperDababy2]

Well he did try to kill Obi-wan a bunch

[@Tuturial464]

​@@SuperDababy2I don't think he would have. He was Qui Gons apprentice

[@timothyvanhoeck233]

The real Luke Skywalker NEVER did that. The "Luke Skywalker" who did what you're discussing was an impostor created by the Corrupt Sith Acolytes at Disney.

[@SuperDababy2]

@@Tuturial464 I mean he tried to killed him a bunch during the clone wars and during episode 3

[@sith145]

@@SuperDababy2 nope, he specifically tried to separate and subdue Obi in Ep. 3. Not kill

[@alonzoruffin7358]

Let's also not forget that Dooku was also a humam supremacist. Lol If i recall correctly, the Revenge of the Sith novelization mentioned that he wanted to establish a Fascist Regime were humans ruled over all non-humans, and he regarded all non - humans as inferior. He also wanted to use the remaining Jedi as Imperial enforcers. In cannon, he also enriched himself by plundering worlds of their valuables and riches. In the Bad Batch, it's shown that not even Dooku's own people of Soreno were spared, and suffered under his leadership. When Dooku embraced the dark side, he became just as corrupt and twisted as any other Sith. As mentioned previously, the dark side corrupts even the most righteous of intentions. We see the same pattern, beginning with the Dark Jedi that were exiled and founded Korriban , to Revan, Malak, Ventress, Barris, and Anakin.

[@ivantorojczewko8755]

alonzoruffin7358 it would be impossible for him to be human supremacist if confederacy was in 90% made of alien species. That was most likely his detoriating mental health caused by taking Ls on the battlefield, seeing death of his commanders ( Durge, SevRance Tann), his apprentice left him etc.

[@ZoeMalDoran]

@@ivantorojczewko8755 The Separatist Council being almost entirely alien was part of the plan. It demonised them in the eyes of the Republic's citizens so that when Dooku allowed himself to be captured by Anakin during the Battle of Coruscant he would be able to renounce any allegiance to the Confederacy and pledge his loyalty to Palpatine's new regime. Of course, Palpatine never intended Dooku to survive his final duel with Anakin, so whatever internal rationalisations the Count may have been making were beside the point. The novelisation of Revenge of the Sith also paints Dooku as an unfeeling sociopath who doesn't see other people as "entirely real", but as "abstract constructs that fit into one of two categories; assets and threats"

[@dreadrath]

That little addition never made much sense to me, its like its something the author just threw in randomly to make Dooku seem even more evil despite there being no previous hints for it, heck Dooku fought to keep many non-humans safe as a jedi, he trained under a non-human and had non-human friends. Although I suppose with the dark side and Sidious working their magic, he probably could've been twisted into being a human supremacist toward the end of his life. Sidious's own empire seemed to favor humans, so its possible Dooku adopted some of Sidious's ideals too.

[@SearNRivers]

I don't know why, but I tend to disregard Luke's opinion on anyone in universe whether it's canon or legends. He just seems like such a whiny, opinionated, judgemental person when it comes to pretty much anyone. He's also disproportionately kinder / more patienced and faithful when it comes to people he personally likes. Could just be the writing, but he really seems like an emotional mess to me, which has been a HUGE reason getting into the expanded universe post empire stuff hasn't been something I've been too interested in.

[@scottmccrea1873]

Since Dooku was killed by his father _before_ he was born, this should be interesting....

[@ZacharyLewis-w1f]

I think its a family trait. He inherited that dislike for Dooku from his father.

[@Peregrin3]

Dooku was right about the Republic and the Jedi but by joining the Dark Side he showed that he was a massive hypocrite.

[@pkizzlebeats]

Had he killed sidous n turned back to the light or fallen jade without the dark side would that make him a still make him a hypocrite? Also he realized this in his last few moment before being decapitated by anakin he realized he was also just a pawn to sidious plan to get anakin to be his next apprentice but for that to happen Dooku would die, which is why Dooku looks so surprised and disappointed when palpatine told anakin to kill him

[@DarthKorrin]

It’s because he saw dookus brief stint as a dentist or his vacation to middle earth chilling as a wizard and thought damn he’s really evil 😂

[@johnappleton3446]

6:15 modern fandom blames mace windu more than anakin or palpatine for anakin’s fall. I hate it.

[@overknightacention39]

Dooku: "The Jedi surve the Senate." Also Dooku: "I shall become the apprentise to the Senate."

[@matthewmann8969]

Dooku should of been done more justice in the prequel trilogy being in Episode One on the council the second most powerful in both potential and current power stacks and high ranking Jedi after Yoda but being more unorthodox still then most Jedi just like Qui Gon in Legends he was considered second to Yoda before his resignation but he was not on the council like he should have been in The Phantom Menace and it should of been established that he and Palpatine also had a great friendship even before joining the sith that they actually had very similar ideals for the galaxy at large with Maul being Dookus top dark acolyte and Ventress being Mauls top general and Grievous being Ventresses top commander and Duege being Grievous number one pupil yeah.

[@JustLikeTheSimulations]

Qui-Gon being Qui-Gone is the main reason Dooku turned. TOTJ didn’t really do his character justice.

[@israelfields5721]

Anakin and Count Doku turned to the dark side to save others but killed them themselves it sounds like Luke wanted to save people but unlike his father Luke did not crave power but would kill to protect but not for vengeance

[@robertstrong6798]

A bit harsh Dooku did what he did for the right motives , he chose the completely wrong path to achieve his noble aims. But of course the dark side corrupts. I would have thought Luke would have more sympathy. He redeemed Vader , can’t remember Doo murdering younglings and trying to force choke his pregnant 🤰wife he claims to love ❤️

[@isaacyoder4137]

I think Dooku's reason for leaving the Jedi was entirely justified. To go to the darkside though, rather than remain a light force user, was not. He may not have the Sith eyes, but he still weilds a red blade. Blades only turn red by making the crystal bleed, which is only done by a ritual where a Jedi is shown the path of the light side, a just and morally good path of a potential future, then voluntarily rejects it. The Jedi asserts himself as wiser than the force, deliberately choosing to live as one who only controls with the force rather than living in harmony with it. It's a rejection of the natural order and a choice to define what is right only by the now former Jedi's feelings and intuition. Feelings change with time, and intuition is never all-encompassing, so what is right to a Sith changes with time, and as new knowledge is gained but old knowledge is forgotten. But Palpatine would never have trusted a non-red blade, and the Seperatists were the only other source of political power. Dooku should have surrendered his need to right the wrongs of the Senate and the Jedi Order, and simply retired to an out-of-the-way, neutral system. Perhaps he could've tried to amass a third alliance, one neither of the Republic or the Seperatists, but most of the worlds that weren't already in either camp were either destitute or wanted to be independent from anyone else. In this hypothetical strategy though, Dooku would've been tempted to force independent systems to unwillingly submit to this "third alliance," and himself become an overbearing tyrant by default. He would have had to take great care to watch himself and keep his desire to create order at any cost at bay, which honestly could've been an amazing hero arc of transformation. A small, single-world colony, where Dooku becomes like Socrates and teaches the knowledge of the force, training force-sensitives how to wield it and follow it. But this new order would be unlike the Jedi, who centralized power to a single council. Dooku would only recruit students from the local area or only from his planet, and encourage students to go and start their own academies that teach the same things but function independently of his on other planets. They would meet once a year for a symposium, where topics are discussed, questions answered or pondered, and threats analyzed but where no academy master is superior or in control of the others. The only form of power this primitive council holds is that of excluding an academy from the annual symposium by majority vote of its members, should the need arise. There would always be the option of allying together in the event that an outside force invades or an academy turns dark and attacks the others. The stark difference between this system's philosophy and the Jedi's would be that of letting go of things that ought not be controlled. There may even be a clash when Jedi try to come and take force-sensitive infants from these "force academy" worlds. Could've been an insane story.

[@jdotoz]

He's exactly like Vader. Oh, the Jedi aren't as good as I once thought, guess the only thing left to do is mass murder.

[@kittycat0876]

He had no intention of staying on the dark side he was willing to let Sidious do order 66 then turn on him & remake a new Jedi order that’s what his plan was or that’s what it seemed like in clone wars episodes

[@mlo009]

Dooku thought he was the main villain/character. He wasn't even the second boss.

[@MasterTaters]

"Who believe that he was" Some people just need to read the novelization... He certainly believed that he was..

[@undertone2472]

I think the redemption of Anakin shows thst any being is technically able to be redeemed from the dark side. Doku's arc shows how some is capable of almost absolute good, and that same person then the capable of pure evil. The difference is Douku's family was dead, thats why he became a Count leaving him with no attachments to keep him grounded to the light, they mad him grow from selfless to selfish. Vader is pure evil as well, because Anakin got buried deeper and deeper because before Luke he had nothing to pull him back to the light. Luke became Anakin beacon of light drawing him back to the light. Luke gabe Anakin something to live for allowing him to overcome the evil of vader. So Anakin's attachment to saving Padme drove him to evil, but his attachment to Luke also bought him back. But basically humans are capable of pure evil if we have nothing to live for.

[@pkizzlebeats]

Facts dooku also turned for the real peace of the galaxy not for the protection of a specific being or loved ones but the galaxy itself. In anakin n dookus final duel dooku then realized that he was just a pawn to sidious as he was about to be decapitated, anakin remembers this in his final duel with Luke in ROTJ n didnt want to make the same mistake leading to him killing Sidous. A lot of it also falls on Qui gons death before qui gon died Dooku was already thinking of leaving the order, had erased planets and solor systems from the Jedi database so they would never know it was him working with sidious and he wanted qui gon to come with him unfortunately the council not listening to qui gon about the boy or the sith and qui gon dying was his final straw. By the time qui gon died tho, dooku had already killed Sifo-Dyas n many other Jedi and close friends and qui gons death was the one that fully turned him to the dark. It wasn’t until obi wan discovered Camino and the clone army does the Jedi realize that Dooku turned. Also Dooku told Obi wan pretty much everything that was about to happen and obi wan didn’t believe him. Dooku told him that the senate was under the influence of a sith named Darth sidious and wanted qui gon to help kill him but obi wan thought he was lying and and never thought qui gon would ever join Dooku again…unfortunately qui gon died before Dooku had the chance…had obi wan believed anything that Dooku said maybe the clone wars could’ve played out differently…not saying that obi wan would’ve turned but I do t think the council would t have played it off like they did. On top of that it’s clearly bias from Luke cuz anakin/vader was his father and also the chosen one. Although Dooku did betray the Jedi he never slaughtered any women or kids…especially the one that didn’t have it coming…like Windu said in episode 2 “he couldn’t assassinate anyone it’s not in his nature” obviously windu was wrong about that but it does show that Dooku did have some compassion and there was still good in him buried underneath all the pain n tragedy just like anakin, difference is anakin was just way more emotionally unstable Dooku knew how to keep his emotions in check especially to the naked eye…

[@AmericanBoy-si9zg]

"No matter how pure your intentions were, there is always a danger." Truly wise words there.

[@tydasavage6890]

Honestly it sounds like Luke was trying to sound like his uncle obi like he told his father earlier "you became the very thing you swore to destroy"

[@jayburn00]

He was a tragic figure, but he became evil when he turned to the dark side. His initial reasons for first turning were sympathetic (as they are with many), but those reasons became meaningless to what he ultimately became.

[@davidoneill9778]

We REALLY need a novel chronicling the life and actions of Syfo Dyas

[@FireKracker44]

Do we think Disney is capable of handling that story?

[@dreadrath]

Pfft, Luke's just jealous that he wouldn't look half as cool fighting in his pajamas as Dooku does.

[@Redpoppy80]

There is something to be said of someone who is not only weak, but forced to fight something strong that only cares to see the weak one dead. I do not think the weak have the choice of morality, they have to do whatever they must, to survive. Dooku was not this. He was the second strongest Jedi of his era who had many insights into the truth of suffering but instead making choices to end that suffering, he chose to become the arbiter of suffering. And in that way only became an agent of evil. If he cared, he could have left the order and went into hiding to train his own Jedi with the knowledge he learned like Yoda would do but he wanted power. You can't change an evil system from within, you can only become a slave to it.

[@Toshineko]

If Luke met Count Dooku: Count Dooku: You must understand, Luke, that the Jedi Council were far from innocent themselves. Luke: You used the Separatists to oppress the planet! Count Dooku: The Jedi were too ignorant of their OWN corruption, you just don't know it!

[@robertagu5533]

Luke's views always have been bit skewed as far as many fellow Force Users go. Dooku wasnt plenty but definitely never PURE evil.. or he'd NEVER event tried to an offer some the things Dooku tried to do an be even in his last years in the Clone Wars

[@pkizzlebeats]

Facts Dooku even confessed to obi wan about sidious plans to rule the galaxy and that the senate was already under his influence but obi wan didn’t believe him. I feel like Dooku only seemed more evil especially in Revenge of the Sith is cuz everyone who he confides with thinks he’s lying or wrong which in turn he turns to the only person that will listen Darth sidious, that’s only because he’s a master manipulator, he stealthily patient, n knows when to be chancellor palpatine and Darth Sidious / Emperor

[@Vidkron-KronKommander]

Legends Luke knew the Dark Side was dangerous. He also knew it was the idea of repressing emotions and denying love is what gave the Dark Side the key to take over. Which is why he never truly gave up the Dark Side. He came to accept the darkness lived in all of us. It was Death just as the Light Side was Life. One could not live without the other. Which is why he still used the Dark Side in some instances in Legends.

[@Fenris77]

Thinking one can use the Dark side for good is the same as thinking one can use the "Ring" for the same while the evil spirit that dwells in the ring will pervert any good you do, the Dark side simply digs out your own deeply hidden evil thoughts that usually are nothing more that flashes in your subconcious instead is brought to the front of your mind basically causing a partial if not complete personality change.

[@patrickbowers8359]

Ashame Disney destroyed Luke we never actually got to see his powers only in books

[@WhiteStar762]

The Path to the Dark Side often starts with good intentions.

[@JacksonStGeorge]

I think your analysis is great, as it plays within the rules of the universe that it analyses. I think those who see him a hero, are applying a non-"Star Wars" universe understanding of people, behavior and ethics. But as you clearly point out, in Star Wars, evil is evil, the dark side corrupts, a good Sith is an oxymoron.

[@Spellbinder001]

Dooku could have been redeemed early on, but by the end he was too far gone to turn back

[@MP-db9sw]

He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you -Nietzsche

[@IrishEyes1994]

I'd say the biggest irony is the Dooku himself was not only guilty of all the things he accused the Jedi and republic of, but became an even worse version of both. Frankly, not an uncommon situation amongst revolutionaries, since a large number are as bad or worse than what they replaced. Dooku definitely was arrogant, even before his fall, corrupt as all hell, look at his friends, and definitely blind since he failed to realize that Palpatine would betray him, something that even a day one padawan knows, the only constant amongst sith is betrayal.

[@jackmcgowan5848]

This tends to happen with very well written villain characters because they are relatable and their motivates are understandable. A good villain like Dooku isn't just the stereotypical bad guy who's after nothing but power he HAD good intentions at the start but spending too much time indulging the ends justify the means philosophy overshadowed the good intentions he started with. He wasn't a hero but could've been one if he'd chosen a different path

[@anhurannatar3315]

Greetings from Spain

[@hunterm322]

Ironic that he cared about Jedi lives and was ultimately responsible for taking Jedi lives in the clone wars.

[@ashspeaker7833]

Dooku's intentions might have been good at the start, but he have commited many attrocities, killed many Jedi, manipulated Galaxy into a war when he could expose Darth Sidious with a simple recording of their conversations, he even went as far as to opress and basically rob his own people as we see in The Bad Batch. He was named Darth Tyranus for a reason. Dark Side is corruptive in its nature, as George Lucas explained in one of the interviews, it feeds your emotions, grants you easy power, but this power comes from disbalance within you, and you grow fearful to lose this power, which makes you angry and anger feeds the corruption within you. This is the ultimate difference between the Sith and the Jedi - Sith linger on their attachments, they are slaves to them, always in fear to lose what they have, while Jedi do not allow their attachments control them. In the end, Dooku was completely consumed by the Dark Side, he lost himself in lies and justifications, he even tried to manipulate Obi-Wan into joining him, and left Obi-Wan hanging when he refused. He could have exposed Sidious right there or at the very least plant seeds of his destruction with a few careful words as he didn't need Sidious to lead CIS at this point, but he didn't. He become as corrupt as was the Republic, and went even further until nothing remained but his pride, his lies, his justifications, and his ambitions

[@ZeldaSam1]

I REFUSE to believe the Force is purely Black & White & ta be honest, Dooku is the ONLY Sith Lord I would EVER kneel before!!!

[@ansonpiper9660]

The force is a true hegelian dialectic

[@WilliamAGould]

When is comes to this, one needs to understand the origins of Luke and Dooku are about as opposite as possible. Luke grew up on a farm in the middle of nowhere. Dooku grew up in royalty and later in the Jedi Temple on Coruscant. While dealing with Vader, Luke learned there was a level of moral gray in life, his faith was always in the Jedi Order he built and the New Republic that backed his Jedi Order. Due to this Luke could not grasp Dooku's point of view as rejecting the Republic and Jedi Order without being evil, or turned to the Dark Side of the Force. From Luke's point of view, Dooku should have tried to reform from within. Luke did not have much experience with systemic corruption that has gone on for generations in various organizations, such as the Republic Senate and Jedi Councils. In the EU, not having this understanding cost Luke in not being about gain help and organize better with possible allies during the Yuuzhan Vong War, Jacen's fall, and Abeloth's corruption.

[@ketamineheadyoda2248]

Empire? No one was a corrupt mess in the jedi order. Blinded and foolish, yes.

[@WilliamAGould]

@@ketamineheadyoda2248 I was talking about EU Luke's experience with his Jedi Order and the New Republic.

[@elpenguinoofmexico1388]

Something that never made sense to me was how stupid Dooku's rationale was for siding with the man who caused the death of his apprentice but it makes more sense now comparing Anakin and Dooku's rationalities where the dark side doesn't allow the "one foot into the door" rationality and is all consuming resulting in their mental gymnastics

[@kjhuang]

Dude it's rich for Luke to be judging Tyranus when Luke did basically the same thing in _Dark Empire_ .

[@ketamineheadyoda2248]

Well, he was still right about dooku.

[@Homo_eWRECKtus]

The choice of Christopher Lee to play him always brings parallels between Darth Tyrannus and Saruman from The Lord of the Rings to my mind. "The good guy who studied the methods of his enemies in order to predict/defeat them for the greater good, who was corrupted by this knowledge and became truly evil over time."

[@20041027redsox]

I always wondered how Qui-Gon would've handled The Clone Wars.

[@OnionsUp]

You have to admit the dark side has a dark since of humor. " Use me and I'll save your wife" or " So you want to stop corruption well I'm the drug for you"😄

[@Enraged-Gecko]

Dooku committed horrible deeds with the best of intentions, which makes him a sympathetic and nuanced villain.

[@derekbambenek7803]

In short; Dooku, while tragic, is best explained by this analogy: You gaze into the abyss, it gazes back also in you.

[@michaelkeller530]

Obi wan left out the part about dooku telling him a sith was leading the republic in his journals 😂

[@rickZhedgehog]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions is a saying with a lot of history to back it up

[@psycake1310]

I think Count Dooku is a man who valued himself on his principles, but like how he grew detached from the Jedi for cutting moral corners, he inadvertently set himself down that same path. While the Jedi were complacent in their position, prior to the Clone Wars, Dooku was focused on what he believed was necessary to tip the scales of 'balance' within the Force to the most active side.. The Sith. He must've seen that over the years, and with the Sith operating in the shadows, how they deemed it necessary to change their methodology, to adapt and evolve outside the eyes of the Jedi. And how this was (to his perception) fate that the Sith is necessary to purge the corruption from both the Jedi, as well as the senate. His ideas, initially, I would say might be well intentioned, as he was a noble and proud man, but it's also a staple aspect of the Sith, that one who follows their doctrine sheds their preconceived notions of nobility, and it is usually discarded. What he might've overlooked, or had been blinded to, was his arrogance. The Sith ideology is a religion, where they perceive themselves as gods; seeking to work the Force into serving them, instead of the other way around. At the end, and by this I mean near the end of the Clone Wars, Dooku has shed that nobility. As powerful and strong minded as he was, Dooku wasn't any more immune to the seductive nature of the Dark Side than Anakin. But those are just my thoughts.

[@nezaniatoimya]

Among many lost potentials of EA's Star wars Battlefront 2 for me was the lack of cross-era interactions. Just heroes from different times chatting/mocking eachother. I REALLY wanted Dooku and luke to interact, with them both being taught by Yoda

[@whosDaBun]

“Why Bitter Orphan Hated Man He Never Met”

[@getprobed838]

Luke was so quick to judge Dooku when he didn't even know him. Sounds like arrogant Jedi dogma.

[@glamourweaver]

I have to assume that the as opposed the Senate as he was, the CIS didn’t reflect Dooku’s actual ideology - rather he created an enemy that embodied everything wrong with the Republic (see the Separatist Council of governing megacorps), in order to in his view give Palpatine the authority to correct against those specific elements. He was of course as much of a patsy of Palpatine in this regard as the Separatist Council were of him.

[@robot_ninja2329]

dooku: the skywalker family, pieces of decomposed shits luke: bro, i'm the son of they guy that smoked you dooku: {flabbergasted} well fuck.

[@kingshadow8782]

Welcome back.

[@andrewclark9018]

I believe the theory of him playing the long game but only to kill sidious and rule the empire himself

[@playboig4696]

U should do a video about force wielders that lived to an old age (relative to their species), their feats in the force and what age did they die or that have been sealed away

[@megabladechronicles962]

There’s a difference between a character that is sympathetic and tragic to being a good guy.

[@pkizzlebeats]

I wanna know what yoda thought when he found out that Dooku turned to the dark side especially yoda letting him keep his lightsaber after he left the order thinking that he was going to keep being a Jedi just not in the order

[@user-KR386]

Legends Luke is amazing, Disney ruined Luke in a way, because they don't do his character justice. I love how Legends Luke ends up going on a life long journey of growth, teaching, and protecting the Galaxy. Luke VS the Yuzanvong was epic in Invasion.

[@brockdavid]

Count Dooku is perhaps one of the most tragic characters of Star Wars, he even tried telling Obi-Wan that the Republic Senate is being lead by a Sith, he told him point blank who the lead Darth was.

[@dathill5911]

Like father like son.

[@TheTyJager]

6:42 Didn't Plo-Koon find Sifo-Dyas's lightsaber in a wreckage on Oba Diah in Clone Wars?

[@seanj3667]

Why would Luke have anyone when "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hatred leads to suffering"?

[@grawman67]

Great video again! I do want to offer criticism about the thumbnail though. It seems like you used AI and while I don't mind that, this one turned out looking wonky and Dooku and Luke both look very off.

[@jyveturkey1894]

Dooku knew full well Sidious was way out of his power ranking.

[@OdiVonDobi22]

Dooku and Skywalker have to sit down and watch the Star Wars Holiday Special until they unite in their hate of it🤣

[@ghostface4404]

I may not view the Dark Side as evil -- though, I do share Luke's opinion on Dooku.

[@Awesomeness4627]

It is literally the embodiment of evil

[@ghostface4404]

@@Awesomeness4627 no, it's not. the Dark Side everything we are -- all we feel -- the very core of what we are. I hate Windu -- but, he used it. rejecting the Dark Side is rejecting our sentient needs and leaving no outlet for our negative feelings -- that's were the problem lies -- as we've seen with Yoda and Barriss. the Jedi can only see in black and white. besides, how many evil deeds did the Jedi commit? why do you think the Mandalorian home planet was a dust ball?

[@ghostface4404]

no, it's not. that is a simplistic view. I don't him, but Windu used the Dark Side. the Dark Side is the core of all sentient things. by rejecting the Dark Side -- you reject your humanity and you neglect your needs. the Jedi try to banish what makes them sentient --breaking you, anyway -- like it did with Yoda and Barriss. but, maybe that still doesn't convince you of how flawed the Jedi's views are -- are you familiar with the Dral'han?

[@trillionaire8886]

Why Sebulba hated Wato. Next video please!!

[@gamanima1]

In actuality the Jedi seem to force people to the Dark Side! He had good reason for changing if the grandmasters were so attuned to the force they would have seen this.

[@pkizzlebeats]

Right it’s their way or the highway, did this multiple times especially with Ashoka, to the point where they make u hate the Jedi n leave the order, some fall so hard they even turn to the dark side, happened with dooku, anakin, the inquisitors, Barris Offee for small amount of time. It seems there was sum bias on Luke’s part with Vader/anakin being his father and the chosen one…