The Problem With GTA 5's Physics.

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Hey it's me again. today we look at couple of amazing features from GTA 4, and why they were downgraded in GTA 5. Thank you for sticking around and for your support.
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Why GTA 5 Downgraded These Amazing FEATURES?

[@bashirzaid6971]

i personally prefer GTA 4 graphics from Ballad gay tony over gta 5 .. it feels unique and just has a nice vibe

[@giobigbandz1340]

4 way better than 5

[@iamtheamp8682]

Bro I clicked this video on my recommended and was so focused on the video i didnt realize until now after the video is over that you have 2k subs only, like your editing style and everything is so good I expected way more subs.

[@Jasongilliar]

I think gta 4 looks better to me than 5, but rdr2 looks better

[@iammiller5478]

Cap

[@GiratinaGX]

4 looks better than 5 is just crazy talk. RDR2 looking better than both of them is logical, since it came out in 2018.

[@Rowan2256]

I mean, RDR2 looking better than GTA 5 is pretty obvious, but GTA 4's graphics are definitely not on par with GTA 5's. Both of the games have their own strenght and weaknesses. for example, Graphics for gta 4 and physics and the car damage on GTA 5

[@ThatBIueHairedGuy]

The police buffalo actually is used in chases but only in specific areas of the city, the FIB one isn’t tho, but if you’re wanted and approach the FIB agents that spawn at the Satellites in Sandy Shores they will sometimes enter the buffalo and chase you. The unmarked Vapid Stanier is used in chases only in a strangers and freaks mission and a side mission for that weed shop Franklin can buy.

[@MinecraftvsBurnout]

Pretty nice video, mate! You made a good example. I want to add something too. While fighting in Gta 4, when the NPC's health bar remains at the last 3, when you hit that NPC (fist, etc.), it goes into ragdoll mode. This is a realistic and beautiful detail. In Gta 5, the NPC simply dies. And while climbing in Gta 4, the game allows you to move left or right while hanging. In Gta 5, you automatically climb straight. Also, can you make videos for Rdr1 and Max Payne 3? The "Euphoria" physics in these games are amazing.

[@ArthurMuneh]

Great analysis. The limit of a VRAM cache is 256mb compared to 1GB that RDR2 has, so let’s hope VI has around 2-4gb. So I really expect ragdoll and better driving physics

[@thegamingvillager2392]

what about gameplay and missions? tf do i need about visual stuff like ragdolls and physics, give me oppressor mk3 and orbital cannon again and im happy

[@Rowan2256]

Man I sure wanna see what will be the specs of GTA VI, 16gb ram? 32gb ram? something even faster than the NVIDIA 4090 considering by the time it's out new graphics cards will be out already

[@ArthurMuneh]

@@Rowan2256 i think we're good with 16GB of RAM DDR4 for mid settings but surely we need to boost up to 32GB, of course you need a good GPU and CPU for not having bottlenecks and make that pointless

[@wardnejim4495]

Fun fact, one of Whitey's songs is included in GTA IV

[@Docnew]

What’s the song named

[@Docnew]

Nvm found it

[@Tiger_65674]

Astro soups cousin is goated

[@Rainquack]

"Wait, that's not the Whitey from Gran Turismo 4's soundtrack right?" *click* "Oh, it is!"

[@iwtdl_]

Glad you showed off the Bravado Dorado near the end. Easily has the best driving physics in GTA V.

[@baconot179]

you really deserve more subscribers and views ur editing is really good

[@fernyjones]

This is the first video that really summarizes the decisions made for GTA 4 and 5 in terms of optimization that accounts for the original hardware that it was meant for. They would never be able to run the physics of GTA 4 in a map like 5.

[@Gregorovich1997]

Another good video. I’d like to see a look at how GTA Online evolved from the original ps3/xbox 360 release to its current form. I played from the beginning, where driving physics was felt a tad different, the earnings in online were so little that owning a garage and a custom car was genuine effort and chasing the $9000 bounties around the map would almost be a session wide event that everyone was going after. That ecosystem all started to change when the first heist update dropped and with the AI driving code changed to be more reckless with the Import/Export update that had you stealing and delivering cars that you had to cover the repairs for. Now every update seems to have cars that cost millions despite being very basic. Like some of the update cars cost less than a submarine or military helicopter 😂

[@Eightbite]

Coincidently I have a script to similar video already written for over a year now :D I may get around to making a full video on that topic someday. Now I'm working on a very big project and I need to take a break from GTA for a bit. I definitely recommend checking out this video though kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4bcYXR7pZiei7c

[@Gregorovich1997]

@@Eightbite well I look forward to seeing the new videos and thanks for the suggestion.

[@shockflyerprojectz8938]

Bro is so underrated for putting out a video with dark space quality. Keep it up bro, made me sub

[@Killersnake432]

The ragdolls was a upgrade over to IV but the euphoria was a downgrade and it was already been proven that it wasn't due to performance but for online sync reasons. Since in IV's online when you go into ragdoll mode it was never in sync compare to how it was in GTA:O. Also people already had their euphoria mods on PS3 and 360 which caused no performance issues at all.

[@user-oy9om9kf3y]

Great video channel will soon skyrocket I can feel it

[@volcansv9395]

Bro I was just watching one of you’re videos for the first time and it happens you just posted a video 10 mins ago what are the odds lol

[@Gstar5150]

Why did they get rid of the Pool and Bowling minigames, those would have been so much more fun to play with your friends online, the pool was always my favorite playing with Little Jacob haha.

[@shubisgaming]

You just earned yourself a new subscriber!

[@DatDudePlays]

The recommended tab made me watch this video, underrated as hell.

[@T_A_N_G_Y]

Yea, the peds are fragile, they die after one stun from a taser

[@madhunter6420]

nah that DriveV mod makes the vehicle feel like in moon gravity 😂there was an option to turn on made by zolika, that was by far best handling like IV, and also no curb snapping. But he decided to not update his trainer anymore

[@Gogga9]

underrated channel tbh. a way underrated.

[@nazirakram5663]

v well made here sir

[@MEDDUSAA]

bro u really remind me of astro soup like crazzzy

[@SketchG]

>GTA4 >Incredibly optimized I agree with your argument here but I think since GTA4 is infamously NOT optimized (at least for PC) then that's also a reason. They had to cut down on some things to not repeat the GTA4 fiasco

[@thekangaroo1880]

One thing to note: For ps4, xbox one and onwards, rockstar cut back damage details specifically on car roofs. This is because the first person camera would experience clipping if the roof was caved in after a rollover or whatever.

[@paco680]

Great video with an in depth analysis, but I still prefer GTA 4 on gameplay and even graphics over 5, although I'm not saying that 5 is a bad game, it's just more arcade and RPG styled which isn't bad

[@thenotwaluigi]

I think it’s strange cause there is a mod for the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 version which adds the iv styled ragdoll physics back with out any issues

[@Nasrul260]

So basically, all the features from GTA 4 were removed in GTA 5 because Rockstar wanted better graphics? Damn, imagine if this game came out on the PS4 & Xbox One... Such a missed opportunity... Well at least they learned from their mistakes in RDR2 & GTA 6. Also great video! Very underrated!

[@-cvq]

no it was rushed gta 5 was even called project rush so they didnt have time for that

[@josemateusbaptista8054]

You really should be a bigger channel, your editing style is amazing! Earned a subscriber!

[@LUXXEN-yx9hv]

Yeah so many people just blindly overlook the fact that gta5 was originally released on ps3

[@jankwartel1860]

You forgot to mention that while you're hanging from a ledge you could also move left and right.

[@Whyliveinfear682]

I can’t be the only one that noticed how gta 6 literally skipped a whole console generation🗿

[@felek092]

Let's not forget that GTA 4 cut half of features from GTA SA

[@jessejoshua3640]

I want flame thrower tune for some cars so they can hold longer flames from the exhaust

[@Tiger_65674]

He got Whitey back?!?!

[@randomvananagram]

Respect to you for beating up moodeyman. Most annoying nymphomaniac in the game after his wife.

[@scrytox6981]

Great video

[@Mamac2006]

i'll never forgive them cutting the pool minigame, it was the best, arguably better than bowling

[@Eightbite]

Haha yeah, even today when I'm bored I sometimes play pool in San Andreas.

[@Mamac2006]

try pool in IV

[@danielthirtleclips]

You're so underrated

[@vezakill]

only 2k subs is crazy

[@huiAPPOAJ]

I don't think they simplified the vehicle physics. I think they turned down some values to make the driving more arcadey because kids were complaining the cars in IV drived like boats. It would explain the crazy curb snapping glitch and why there are mods that revert the physics to IV values.

[@alvarodumain5057]

I would love to play gta v with gta iv mechanics (and possibly graphics)

[@dacat7549]

Finally a person that actually tells reasonable things instead of just yapping about GTA 4 being better

[@Cralist]

02:37 optimization is better because of the difference between the old and new RAGE

[@xSilicov]

Personally I think something looks better if it moves better. Or I guess... it's more satisfying to look at.

[@WeShallC]

Algorithm brought me here. But def an underrated channel.

[@SamixkoSk]

Eightbite more like godbite

[@Toulkun]

Well V is already 10 years old so theres no need to talk about features missing or downgraded, what happend has happend, lets now hope for 6 to bring us the best experience, once it learns more from 4 and RDR2 than V it's going to be game of the decade for sure. PS5 and Xbox X are already powerful enought i hope.

[@moonray7]

OK

[@EvilStick6ixx]

Yurr

[@NewWorldOrderx0x1]

Just one

[@NewWorldOrderx0x1]

For is agatha

[@ilovewastingurtime]

rockstar why

[@thewaffle3945]

should i steal nasa pc just to play gta 6?

[@Fusion710]

gta 5 is arcade, gta 4 they went simulation

[@MrWaffles_YT]

flying in the air isnt simulation bro

[@MinecraftvsBurnout]

​@@MrWaffles_YT The whole physics of Gta 4 is not just "flying in a motorcycle crash", my friend. Euphoria physics is undoubtedly better and more responsive in Gta 4. Messing with NPCs is realistic and fun. Gta 5 is extremely terrible in this regard. Everyone in the game is very fragile and fake. We hope Gta 6 will be like Gta 4, not like Gta 5.

[@hezhez97]

Don’t get me wrong gta 5 is a good game but gta 4 blows it out of the water when it comes to basic mechanics and immersion my favourite game of all time

[@vishwarao6064]

damn less than 1000 views i am trippin

[@ANANHDLOLMAN2]

Nice 8 minute video

[@clerveauso6179]

I love GTA 4

[@giobigbandz1340]

GTA 5 driving and traffic suck

[@madhunter6420]

some of gta 4 physics isnt as realistic, yes they are satisfying and somewhat realistic, but not entirely, in some aspects V is more realistic

[@MrWaffles_YT]

this is true because nobody flys in the air that high

[@MinecraftvsBurnout]

The physics of GTA 4 (Euphoria) is the most responsive, dynamic and smooth physics ever, mate. When you shoot an NPC, that NPC tries to stay balanced by holding the area where it was shot. Pushing slowly with a car is the same way, the NPC is trying to stay dynamically balanced. There are no such things in Gta 5. Unfortunately, Gta 5 is a big disappointment in terms of physics. We really hope that Gta 6 is not like Gta 5. Btw, as for Euphoria physics, I'd also like to add Rdr1 and Max Payne 3.

[@MrSiloterio]

If you were a true GTA fan since IV, you would know that the driving mechanics in V were not done out of optimization but because of a new gameplay direction. If you followed the news up until GTA V's release, multiple sources have said that V will address the major complaints by gamers regarding the ice skating feel of GTA IV driving which felt like you're driving a boat rather than a car. The city of Los Santos also required a looser and more responsive driving as simply transferring GTA IV's handling will undermine the totally different topography of Los Angeles. Liberty City is composed of narrow streets while Los Santos is a sprawling urban jungle with wide open rural areas. GTA IV's handling will result in an incoherent experience. Also, GTA V is not just about graphics as one of its biggest improvements over IV is staring right in your face. The world itself. The level design of V is far more diverse and sprawling than IV which is just one big city with no variations in geography. The fact that it was able to render a giant city with interiors, a desert region, a forest region with mini towns, and still able to have ocean water that can be explored underwater without any loading screen is a technical achievement that has not been copied by any other game on the same system. And then add the higher graphic fidelity separately. Also the shooting in IV was heavily criticized back when during its time for its unreliability and unwieldiness. And playing it now side by side with GTA V makes it even more apparent. Niko's movement is not responsive today as it was back in the day. Taking cover is infuriatingly imprecise as Niko fails to recognize basic common sense on which object and direction to take cover from, and he is unable to aim weapons behind cover. This is why playing the game today is essential. It will actually reveal the reality of the experience. The euphoria physics also becomes more of a hindrance when you actually play the game. Because of its exaggerated animations, you spend more time waiting for animations to finish rather than actually playing the game. Shootouts especially become immersion-breaking as fully armored men react like drunk men when shot instead of reacting like armed professionals. It only looks entertaining in videos but when you're playing the game, shooting limbs is very overpowered as they become cheesable lumps of flesh that sway like inflatable tube men. There's a reason why some developers are the one making games and gamers are just gamers.

[@Eightbite]

Yeah people were complaining, but if anything they could at least make the driving engaging. It doesn't get any more bland than it already is, it feels like handling made for NPC's that don't know how to handle oversteer. And the "new gameplay direction" is just a fancy media talk to get people excited. Exactly like when they showed more vegetation in the trailers than the game can really handle. And no, not every car drives like a boat in GTA 4. The suspension may not be 100% spot on, but the cars actually feel like cars and not like 50 ton hockey pucks glued to the road. If anything the driving from fits more in 5, because of the more rural areas. Many things are improved with 4's driving system in 5. Seriously try the mod. It's painfully obvious how much they had to cut from GTA 5 to make it run well on the consoles. GTA 4 has an impressive amount of interiors. From apartment buildings to fast food restaurants. Meanwhile the interiors in 5 are a lot more scarce. Except for the liquor stores and a police station, there aren't much interiors that are accessible at any given point. As for the 1 forest area hidden in the back of the map for obvious reasons, and the one of the 2 towns you mentioned. Again it's good we got something new in 5, but again, made to run smooth. But honestly having to render a large city still is more impressive to me. I don't think the shooting is THAT bad when you get used to it. I honestly didn't use the cover system at all and just relied on the crouching like in San Andreas. As I've said, I think the euphoria physics wasn't included just to save resources. There isn't any other explanation why downgrade a perfect system like that. It's better that they react at least like "drunk men" rather than immediately falling to the ground after getting shot to the forearm. My theory based on the animations in the game is, that 5 was supposed to have 4's euphoria, mainly because of the animations that exist (and are very rarely seen due to the ragdoll physics being so lackluster). The animation I'm talking about is the one where the NPC's switches to his firearm and grabs his abdomen while standing. It's very rare to see an NPC stand in GTA 5 after shooting it.

[@BDozer666]

@@Eightbite "I don't think the shooting is THAT bad when you get used to it. I honestly didn't use the cover system at all and just relied on the crouching like in San Andreas. " Finally someone who gets it. The cover system is mainly there for the AI to use. Manual movement and crouching is superior for the player (and sadly crouching is just missing in V so you're forced into using the cover system), unless you want to specifically blindfire or throw grenades/molotovs without being exposed. There's also nothing wrong with the shooting itself.

[@NewWorldOrderx0x1]

Ads it

[@drwgalabuschagne3287]

Who cares?

[@EnejJohhem]

GTA series never tried to be realistic, the real reason the way GTA 4 works the way it does, is to slow you down, so that you don't feel that the map is too small