Why Half of the Flying Heroes in Rivals are Bad |Design Critique [Marvel Rivals]

[@Steir12]

They clearly overestimated how powerful the ability to shoot trough enemies would be. It would be total crap even if she wasn't flying. Sure it must look crazy strong on paper in a lab conditions when entire enemy team is all lined up like they're playing grunts in Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade movie but that just not the case in the game. Being able to shoot narrow projectile even through 2 targets is extremely rare and only happens on chockiest of chokepoints.

[@SILKYSMOOTH30FPS]

Storm was designed by Anet. Lets be glad she can move at least.

[@TheDetectiveJ]

Pin worthy lol

[@jacobnorris8256]

What's anet?

[@SILKYSMOOTH30FPS]

@@jacobnorris8256 The least you know about them, the better. And don't search online, you will get their incompetency virus.

[@semantik95]

Its funny, we had the complete opposite reaction to the fact that storms kit seems like its not compatible with flying. It made me realize that just because she can fly, shes not designed to be a "flying character" in the same way that just because strange snd groot and peni have ranged attacks, they arent supposed to be long range dps characters. Storm is supposed to stay grounded near the team most of the time to provide auras and the flying is just bonus mobility to use within that playstyle. I still think shes weak and need buffs, but i think you are pigeonholing her as having bad design just because she doesnt play like ironman

[@Porakki]

yeah, I think the flying on Storm exists to escape melee characters and to bring the importance of positioning to the third dimension, not to be a fly on the ceiling like Ironman. Like, she might not be that high off the ground, but I'm pretty sure hitting her with splash damage is harder too. Still, her primary fire is pretty weak and it should be improved. The movement speed boost also feels like it doesn't do much.

[@true4evre]

Change: I'd make her more like Tone from Titanfall 2. her primary fire adds marks to every enemy hit. At full (3) marks, she can right click to strike marked enemy heads with lightning (like her aoe does now) for like 80 damage.

[@Snowshill]

yeah storm need a somple chnage to make her primary fire be hitscan and even let it chain to near my enemies, a weak damage chain lightning attack also chnage her aoe buff/debuff field to be a colum shaped pillar instead of a spheer they seemed to wnat her to be a close range brawler that just happenes to be able to fly, the flying is just a gimic for her to point to the comics and say "look its storm"

[@KeinuSulttaani]

The only change storm could get is that she can move faster up and down in the air, she's actually really strong as is, most people just don't utilize her kit properly.

[@Steir12]

​@@KeinuSulttaani She is as good as good her team at peeling this sitting duck. With slow TTK and no defensive capabilities she cant do sh*t against pretty much any other ranged duelist in 1v1 or even skirmish at any range. Sure you can do some impact if your entire team is playing around you flawlessly but i woundt count on it too much.

[@jacobnorris8256]

@@Steir12 The enemy team also has to be completely braindead to not immediately kill her. Being literally the slowest character in the game and having her best ability be a centered AOE and her primary attack have huge falloff means she has absolutely no final say on her own performance. She needs to get close, yet has *negative* self peel - that's just terrible design. Storm needs any form of defense or mobility before she can be viable, or at least make anything other than the boost, y'know, usable. It's also just fundamentally bad design to give a flying character mostly *piercing* abilities.

[@The_Rude_French_Canadian]

Storm is powerful if you stay close to the ground and to your team. Her basic attacks has infinite range and will cut through the back lines. If you fly it’s to reposition, to attack a flying character or avoid an iron first or any character that can follow you. If you don’t spam your power upgrade and use it with your lightning boost you will randomly strike characters with lightning and while flying away it can save you or your team if you tighten the perimeter by going up. She’s a technical character where you have to assess the battlefield to know where you’re most needed. If she couldn’t fly people would complain since it’s one of the things she’s known for you’re right but to say it’s a gimmick nah. I mean we all know some characters kits are basic to play and others way more complex.

[@The_Rude_French_Canadian]

@@jacobnorris8256As someone that plays Storm as one of my mains I disagree with everything you’ve just said lol The three characters I play the most are Mantis, Magneto and Storm. Storm isn’t slow she’s got speed boost that can be triggered and you can switch to lighting even after triggering her upgrade and vice versa. You either speed your team or boost them. Plus her main and secondary spammed at the back lines will definitely get me in the 30+kills and assists and it’s not that the other team is brainless. I understand her kit. I play her as the leader of a team. She goes where she’s needed and she boosts the team while pushing forward.

[@BeyondTilted]

"someone has to lose social credit for this" XD

[@elnic_kai]

at least storm is so bad that learning her could lean to insane payoff as: if she ever gets buffed or reworked, the rivals team is likely to make her stupidly busted

[@effi6286]

Also spidermans swing can get you across the whole map while moon knight grappel hook is just a second double jump you can attach to a wall...

[@graDinolol]

Thank you for this video man. After playing her for few day I had the exact same complains as you do, but nobody listens, because nobody plays her. Hearing all my hate toward her design confirmed was cathartic.

[@adeeshadeegala5900]

In wind mode, shoots explodey wind balls, sorta like iron mans basic attacks. In lightning mode, her attack becomes lightning bolts that can chain, like moon knight. That would personally make the shooting feel nice.

[@Steir12]

Her main attack is just unpleasant to use, its low damage slow moving fart that cannot crit. It need to be reworked from ground up, maybe make it hold-to-charge like Adam Warlock or Hawkeye attacks to incentive peek out->burst->get behind cover basic gameplay.

[@skelun]

Simple buff idea: Her normal attacks irradiate to others in close proximity, instead of piercing, just like Moon Knight. Done.

[@pitchatan]

Storm is extremely niche right now and needs a specific team composition to be even near effective in high level play.. she isn't necessarily bad, just extremely inefficient in most situations... she quite frankly plays more like a non healing support with a very strong ultimate (that is sadly entirely countered by luna... but lets be real, luna counters everything right now). What i would like is for her to get a movement buff in terms of her overall speed, then give bolt rush (her secondary) the ability to afflict everyone in the AOE a relatively short antiheal debuff.. This will make her more efficient while keeping her overall kit intact, meaning she at the very least has a specific job as a "dps" with the purpose to make this brainless nonstop heal spam gameplay a lot less obnoxious.

[@dizzy.....]

There should be universal qol changes for heroes. Namor can be healed while invulnerable but scarlet witch cannot be i dont get it.

[@adeeshadeegala5900]

Storm gave up a lot for her ult, cleave and aoe dmg and speed boost

[@skelun]

4:50 like well deserved after this comment

[@effi6286]

Social credit -1000

[@Hvallur]

play jeff chieff

[@FalakIll]

Half? There's only 2.

[@michaelpritchett709]

I mean I kinda count starlord

[@jacobnorris8256]

That's the point, yeah?

[@dimasfaiz236]

Yeah I mean storm play style is kinda float rather than Flying at jet speed like iron man

[@FalakIll]

@@michaelpritchett709 Starlord can't fly constantly like the other two but if we were gonna count Starlord then 2/3 of the flying heroes are currently meta.

[@KrSaPoww]

yeah, do the math

[@janikut_]

You should sya a third, cus starlord is also flying

[@captaincrapface7337]

in his movement ability he can't shoot, so that leaves his ult. - that's not comparable to storm/Iron man bro.

[@TheinternetArchaeologist]

Plenty of people use storm and other fliers aside from iron man effectively Git gud kid

[@barrettlevenec4492]

You just don't know how to play them

[@captaincrapface7337]

me knowing or nor knowing how to pay the character doesn't change their damage numbers.

[@DolanAndGoobyFTW]

overwatch has way more polish, this game is so scuffed that i refuse to play it 1/2 the screen is covered by your character, and even the cape on your character flicks up sometimes and blocks your entire crosshair so you cant see, thats genuinely so troll and bad trust me i have played a lot of online fps games, and i genuinely think that wrecking ball in overwatch, the hamster in the ball that can roll around and swing with grapple, has the most advanced fps gameplay of all time. the movement physics simulation, the classic gameplay of hitscan, its unmatched. yall might think im trolling but im 100% serious that this one character in overwatch completely clears marvel rivals. the sad part is that the old devs at blizzard are long gone, its now just a bunch of new hires who will never accomplish something greater than the og devs did.

[@BobrLovr]

Nah overwatch feels and plays like crap especially compared to this game.

[@stevengucum]

So, your only example of "scuffed" is a thing that you get used to in 10 minutes and doesn't matter at all after? Not to mention that overwatch was "scuffed" at the beginning as well, what mattered is it felt like something completely new, which Marvel does feel like rn I love(d) overwatch's design, but man, Marvel feels like a very needed breath of a fresh air

[@Steir12]

​@@stevengucum Sometimes your camera pan into the wall blocking your vision completely, one notorious spot is balcony at the start of shin-shibuya convoy map. Or god forbid your large teammate like Groot walk into the frame and stand right behind you rendering you virtually blind.

[@captaincrapface7337]

remember roadhoag hook 1.0? remember genji/brig launching off of map geometry? remember torb tier 3 turret? remember scatter arrow? now they're replaced by immortality lamp, Suzu, oneshot headshot hitscan Sojurn or whatever her name and every tank ie overbuffed to compensate for the fact that blizzard is retarded and couldn't figure out that Brig was a stupid idea ground-up that catered to biggest no-skill idiots imaginable. And now to facilitate their lack of will to admit to their mistakes, thay changed thei entire game to facilitate their mistakes, and scrapped the only thing that justified that change. If you preffer overwatch, you are free to play overwatch. But I am free not to return to overwatch. Blizzard can suck my ass.

[@andresguevara2669]

If you don't like it, go play Concord, I'm sure this game is more your type. xd

[@captaincrapface7337]

how about no