Why Horizon Forbidden West DESERVES a CHANCE

[@kjellbeats]

I have no clue why hfw is so underrated, i love pretty much everything about it and it gotta be one of my favorite games ever.

My theory is that Horizon is still a game for a very specific public… those who like traditional the Witcher 3 style, with heavy plot points and lots of RPG elements like crafting and armours and weapons. The “issue” is that horizon is incredibly accessible. Which make it so people who are not the target audience try this game out. And then they get frustrated. Some people complained of it being boring, which I guess is because of the rpg elements, like crafting and upgrading gear. For those people who came to horizon just for the story, it might have felt too grindy. On the other hand, the game also follows the approach of a tomb raider/uncharted game where the characters inner dialogue is constant and serves to help you get through the story more efficiently, without getting stuck unnecessarily. Now this, for those players who like a more “explore by yourself approach” might have been frustrating or too guided. Now for players like me, who like all those things (great story, lots of rpg elements, and constant inner dialogue), it’s the perfect game. If I could make a game with everything I like, that would horizon forbidden west.

[@SHMidlerPlays]

Same here

[@SomeSillyGoosy]

@ Yeah well I know quite a lot of people had issues with the over abundance of inner dialogue which personally I didn't had issue with because I'm so dumb at times so it was quite helpful for me.😄 But yeah funny thing is that she actually talks to herself as you can see her mouth moving unlike in the Batman Arkham games for example were Batman talks a lot to himself but in his head which is way less cringe imo I must admit but also he does it WAY less than Aloy in Forbidden West so yeah. Although now on pc there is a mod to lessen the inner dialogues a ton and it removes around 900 lines of dialogue or something, it can't remove all of the inner dialogues though because a lot quests actually require Aloy to speak to herself and then when she is finished with her tomfoolery the quest can continue.

[@loscastaneda3766]

Broo same here. My wife got it for me 2 years ago and I just started playing it a few months ago and I'm hooked . Whole game is on point. And I didn't even know there was a #1 and I just purchased it. Thats litt

[@haraldjohansen1867]

I found it overrated.

[@CpTheDriller103]

I think people unnecessarily hated on this game in the beginning. There’s a lot to like about this game that people should definitely try

[@TrollLogic]

100% agree

[@btbarr16]

Yeah, I enjoyed the game. Honestly, didn't understand why people were hating on it. Was it game of the year? No, but it was still better than most open world games released in the past few years. I do agree they fumbled the Faro story Arc. I'm assuming they ran out time an had to cut it down, because when I finished that quest I was like, "that's it? Dude is alive and that's what they went with?" They should have saved the Faro being alive arc for DLC in my opinion. During the main game we find what we need to from a Faro bunker not thee Faro bunker, but in the expansion we actually get to confront him. Then again, the whole endgame kinda felt half baked, but not so bad it ruins the game.

[@saviourself687]

The core game, gameplay loop, mechanics, graphics, world building etc are all solid. It's the politics and the purposeful insertion of "modern day". And I say that as a person who recently 100%'d Ultra Hard on my first playthrough on PC (didn't play on the PS). I don't care that Aloy is female (my favourite version of Mass Effect is Femmeshep for the excellent voice acting by Jennifer Hale), I don't care that the guy that brought it all down was a white male. It's the constant reinforcing that men are either evil/corrupt, bumbling fools or second strings (or a combination of the above) eg. Evil, Faro, Londra, CEO, the Quen inquisitor, the corrupt Oseram boss in Chainscrape. Gormless second strings, Varl and Erend. Compare this to the females, who are far more competent when evil (Regalla, Tilda) or generally bossy (Zo, Dekka, Seyka, most Oseram women) or just stupidly OP (The Enduring). And the worst of all is Aloy who varies between arrogant to a fault, sarcastic, abrasive or insulting. Classic example, Aloy decides to blow up the Bulwark. Instead of challenging the chief to single combat or some other method of forcing him to comply with the chiefs requirements, she leaves an entire village without it's primary defense while asking for their best warriors to be sent to the Kulrut, even though the bad guys and their machines are literally a couple of hundred meters down the road... Tekkoteh is bad man and Aloy is smort girl, that's all you need to know... If you enjoy the game, great because I generally enjoyed it as well, but it's very hard to deny that modern politics has been crammed in and it's made the end result lesser than the first.

[@Deepblue87]

​​​@@btbarr16 honestly having to battle Faro in the DLC as a final boss would've been not such a great move on guerillas part. since the first game, Ted was this figure that was untouchable. Someone whose presence and impact is felt a lot more by him not being physically there at all. I do agree it would've been super neat for a mini boss fight in HFW but it's understandable why that didn't happen; cause of the rating change it would've needed. But besides that little thing, the Faro tomb quest showcased the important bits. The feeling of complete isolation and loneliness despite how opulant the bunker was, how terrifying it would've been to live with someone like Ted under the same roof while knowing that theres no escape. Not from him or from the hell outside. The atmosphere was amazing. We did get to battle the Zeniths so I got my happy dose of battling someone from the Old World Edit: I want to add that stretching the Faro showdown across the game AND DLC would've felt like they're milking it. Faro, while being the big reason why everyone died, isn't the only enemy we can face. Focusing only on Ted would've been a little too boring I think. But I suppose to each their own:). I can see how investing only on him as the main antagonist would've been fun and it would invoke a lot of tension throughout but I wouldn't say it's worth it just for that. It's better that we faced a damn Horus in the DLC than Ted. I doubt even the monstrosity he ended up being could have been on par with a Horus

[@chantjelly6773]

If only the team in charge of dialogue was as competent as the team in charge of graphics, this game would be top tier

[@roboby21]

I LOVED how they handled Faro. The guy thought he was the most important man in the world, almost a god, WANTED to be a god/guide to the future generations, achieved immortality at the cost of his own body mutating and we don't even get to see him in person because the game is telling you HOW LITTLE HE MATTERS, he thought he was all that, instead the first person he "sees" after 1000 years is a guy that almost pukes at the sight of him and orders his death by fire

[@lirian1053]

yeah me too. the video author's ideas are interesting, and I see how they could make some cooler, more emotional cutscenes, but I also like how despite him never understanding that he didn't outsmart everyone, in the grand scheme of things, he WAS remembered as someone who destroyed the world, tried to cover it up and fulfill his egoistical fantasies of becoming the god of the new world, and literally turned into a flesh goo. I enjoy seeing this gradual loss of humanity, starting from his character and ending with his physical form.

[@Warmaster_24]

I dunno man well I do like your view I have to respectfully disagree. I personally really wanted to see him and Aloy have dialogue. Perhaps he even become a villain potential, maybe. I wish instead of going on the mutations storyline part of me really wish the dude went on ice/cyrogenics and just slept into the future instead of getting turned into a resident evil character. Well, this is my opinion, I just wish they had some sort of dialogue, even if it was small.

[@roboby21]

@@Warmaster_24 I read a theory on some other yt video saying he might still be alive since he was using thermal energy to live forever, and lava might have not been enough to actually kill him, so if the writers took that into consideration he might come back

[@kriscoop6920]

​@@Warmaster_24 when I heard Ted was still alive but as a monster I was kinda expecting the game to turn into Resident Evil for a sec just to fight him

[@truthseeker7815]

@@Warmaster_24, while I wanted to see him, I probably couldn’t have slept

Totally understand the hype of Zelda and Elden ring but hype aside, Horizon competes shoulder to shoulder with those two games. And unlike them, horizon forbidden west is a technical masterpiece. Everything the game tries to do is done perfectly. Perfomance, graphics, gameplay, combat… it has it all…

[@vicpardo894]

2027. Horizon 3 launches...The SAME WEEK AS The Elder Scrolls VI 😵

[@TrollLogic]

Gonna launch on the same day as GTA 6💀

[@kjellbeats]

​@@TrollLogic😭😭😭😭

[@justlola5651]

I literally cannot imagine horizon 3 without lance reddik, it’s genuinely impossible

[@kjellbeats]

@@justlola5651 yeah man ;(

[@justlola5651]

@@kjellbeats may he rest in peace

[@WAHegle91]

I think it was the right call to not have a grand battle with the Far Zeniths. They were threatening because of their advanced technology, but once their shields were stripped away, they were nobodies. Aloy and her allies, excluding Tilda, were all trained hunters/combatants; the Far Zeniths, on the other hand, were celebrities, hedge fund managers, and scientists. As soon as they lost their invulnerability, they would’ve been curb stomped by Aloy and her allies while also having to deal with a horde of machines.

[@hershy1594]

In terms of bow combat, this game is still the most satisfying game I've ever played

[@TrollLogic]

To be fair Ghost of Tsushima has great bow combat too especially with the adaptive triggers

[@hershy1594]

@@TrollLogic I might have to try it. It was just released on pc.

[@TrollLogic]

Definitely, I highly recommend

[@KnowToChill]

​@@TrollLogicGhost of Tsuhima got not that deep Taktikal Hunter Bow Mechanics with all that Traps and diffrent Arrows to combonine to beat down that Big MechaDinos 😂 Ghost of Tsuhima has deeper SwordCombatMechanics to fight against other SwordsMen 😅Both are amazing ActionAdventures....But Aloy is the GodLike Master of Bow in all VideoGames ive played yet since the NES with Kid Icarus 😂I have absolute agree with this Dude !no Game beats Aloys Bow yet!

[@EX0007]

@@KnowToChill Had a stroke trying to read this

[@computechguy2063]

I thoroughly enjoyed Zero Dawn, and Forbidden West as well. The thing I didn't like was how empty the Base is after the final mission. I passed on the drink thinking I could do it later.

[@TrollLogic]

Yeah definitely agree with you on the point of the base

[@lirian1053]

I generally hate how the developers dump the game after the final mission, both hzd and hfw. All the immersiveness that comes from the npcs acknowledging your feats, and banter with friends at the base... the level of details they kept up the whole game with interactions is just gone. Can't even chat with GAIA. I know that after the events of the game the characters are supposed to start preparing for the Nemesis immidiately. But come on.

[@yamatanoorochi6203]

19:44 From what I understand, they originally planned for you to not only be able to see Ted Faro but also fight him; However, they discarded the idea because "They didn't want the game to suddenly become a horror one."

[@TrollLogic]

Very interesting… I’ll take a search about it but have you got a source perhaps?

[@yamatanoorochi6203]

@@TrollLogic Sorry. I don't remember the source.😓

[@blutosam12]

@TrollLogic - I’ll have to find a source too, but I remember hearing an interview with someone from GG, and they said that if they showed Faro the game would have to have a Mature rating and they wanted to keep it away from that.

[@TrollLogic]

Ooh do share if you ever find that interview; would love to take a look

[@danc1513]

It was never planned for you to see Ted Faro. Ben McCaw (narrative director) said as much during an interview. Either with ign or another youtube channel.

[@Zarkonem]

I decided to give Horizon Zero Dawn a try, despite the fact that it's not typically the type of game i would go for. I was floored at how awesome it was. So when Forbidden West came out on Steam, i grabbed it on day one. The game was just as good or even better in many ways, but also not as good in others. I think the most annoying thing for me was that many of the weapons were slower than they were in Zero Dawn with long wind up times and i felt like that Aloy's recovery time when she got hit took way longer. It seemed like machines would hit Aloy, and then the moment she would get back up, they were attacking again and it would feel like it took forever to recover from anything. I found myself yelling "GET THE HELL UP ALREADY!" more times than i would have liked. That said, the inventory system and the stash was far better than the previous game.

[@Jameshair007]

Completely agree, I just avoided melee combat almost entirely and optimized for stealth melee kills and or stealth first shot damage with a sharp shot bow. Felt like anything else wasn't quick enough or powerful enough to be worth using

[@JulianaAguilar-nx6up]

this series has become nearly my favorite series, the lore and storytelling are just so well done and Aloy is such a empathetic and compelling protagonist, plus the bow combat is likely the best I've ever played with

[@MarxismGaming]

The horizon games are probably my favorite game series of all time

[@lornepribbeno3760]

Do not count Ted Faro out yet. His body is gone, but I can't imagine he didn't have a backup plan to save his mind, maybe in such a way as the Zeniths tried that formed Nemesis. Plus with the same cloning tech that produced Aloy also as a possibility, it would not surprise me if the next game has us contending with a literal reborn Faro, just as the Egyptians of old had built their faith around.

[@TrollLogic]

Oooh fascinating, love the theory; would like to see something like that for sure

[@Edatox]

i actually had an idea to write that as a story for ted but in a "this ghost is trolling me" way. i could make it more serious, though. still wanna make him troll aloy cuz we all know the subreddit exists.

[@btbarr16]

Your conclusion about Forbidden West actually made me think of Starfield and Death Stranding. Death Stranding is a game that starts out really slow and I probably would have quit if not for the Steam reviews that kept saying just stick with it until Chapter 3. I stuck with Death Stranding until chapter 3 and people were correct. Starfield on the other hand was a game that I kept expecting to get better. I thought it was a decent game at first, but after 25 hours into it I finally realized, "oh... this is it isn't it." Then Phatom Liberty came out, I did a whole 83 hour playthrough of Cyberpunk 2077 and Phatom Liberty. After that I decided to go back and finish Starfield and man it was jarring going from Phatom Liberty to Starfield. I went from thinking it was a decent game to realizing how outdated the gameplay felt and how uninteresting the story was.

[@albert2006xp]

Idk what game survives being compared with Phantom Liberty...

[@rubencamps6689]

For me Horizon Franchise is still one of the most played games on my PS5. I got both and the DLC off them and I love it so much. The scenery, story and machines it's so great. My son (8 y.) is also completely hooked on this franchise as he completed the first one and now discover the Forbidden West on his own. The difficulty levels are so perfect as I play on Very Hard for the challenge and my son on story mode to really enjoy the game on his way. I have no idea why this frnachise is still so underrated.

[@korkuc26]

They didn't advertise it. I didn't even hear of it until last year. Now it's my favorite game lol

[@bacondorito]

Did not expect to care about Varl as much as I did. I honestly didn't really remember him much from ZD. Knew he was there but forgot almost everything about him because of the vast amount of side characters in the first game. As he became more developed and joined Aloy on her journey though, he did become pretty cool and memorable to the point that his fate indeed shocked me. I was hoping he'd get a happy ending with Zo but alas. Ending Eric and getting justice for Varl was most pleasing. Naughty Dog should take notes.

[@vit.budina]

Glad to see someone else say that to truly experience the game, you have to go through all the optional dialogue. One of the letsplayers I've watched loved the game, but said that the characters feel one-dimensional. Well, duh, if you only listen to the bare essentials to breeze through the game. Probably why Zero Dawn took me 110 hours and Forbidden West 120 hours to finish, I went through the trouble of getting 100% completion on both games and their DLCs. Really fun games.

[@Enderl4ne]

I cant wait for horizon 3 to be released 2 days before GTA6

[@coreypasternak9435]

That's not gonna happen horizon 3 will most likely be a ps6 game so 2028 or 2029

[@merlinwarage]

GTA6 will be released for PS5 in 2025. PS6 will be released in 2027, if they continue the usual 7-year cycle. GTA6 for PC coming in 2027, Horizon 3 for PS5 and maybe 6 if it's released by then and if they have time to develop for the new system.

[@VitchAndVorty]

When the Tenakth used the modern military salute, I laughed my ass off. In a good way...

[@RMBittner]

In what world is a game that has mostly positive reviews, sold around 9 million copies, was nominated for Game of the Year, and is leading to a sequel considered “underrated”?

[@WAHegle91]

I think Ted Faro’s fate was handled really well, personally. He was an arrogant character whose hubris led to the literal end of the world, then he went insane due to the knowledge that his decisions led to the extinction of almost all known life in the universe. In his insanity, he decided to wipe the slate clean by purging all copies of Apollo, which in some ways ruined the future of humanity and its ability to defend itself from the coming threat of Nemesis. To top it all off, Faro convinced himself that he would essentially have to become god for the next generation of humans that would roam the earth and turned himself into an abomination. I like that his arrogance, which he failed to recognize, ended up dooming him to a horrific fate as basically a giant tumor. Faro having a pathetic ending of having to survive in a bunker alone for over a thousand years as a cancerous growth with no grand ending for someone once considered to be so important was quite fitting. That’s just my opinion, though.

[@EX0007]

"..his decisions led to the extinction of almost all known life in the universe" Stop the cap, where was it revealed that Faro's robots went to space and killed most of the aliens and other extraterrestrial lifeforms? 🤣🤣

[@swagstev3]

Great video with some good points man. Honestly when people hate I just don't care because I love these two games so much and nothing will change that 🤣🤣

[@TrollLogic]

Thanks, means a lot! And that’s a great mentality to have, don’t let no one tell you different!

[@emilyofjane]

Horizon Forbidden West is truly a masterpiece and I will never understand why it hasn’t outsold HZD yet

[@Thinker1985]

I am concurrently playing Horizon Dawn Zero (HDZ) and Elden Ring (ER) (I'm late to the party, I know). I go back and forth between the two, depending on my mood. Given the reviews and the hype, I thought ER would completely overshadow HDZ but I find HDZ a lot more fluid and relaxed. I also play it on hard so the combat is a little bit more challenging in a good way. I love how rewarding the exploration in ER is but other than that, it feels quite directionless (I am exploring for the sake of exploring, fighting scary bosses and collecting cool items) and sometimes, quite stilted, either because I keep dying, or the combat feels like a samey-samey dance once you've figured out the patterns and until you find other weapons/ways to take down the enemy. HDZ feels a lot better paced (in every aspect, including combat), there's a good story to drive you forward and I happen to enjoy its setting more so than ER (which sometimes feels like a patchwork of grotesque). All in all, HDZ stands its ground very well. I just wish its exploration had slightly better rewards (unique weapons/items) instead of finding everything at the merchant.

You’re gonna love forbidden west then. IMO it improves on absolutely everything.

[@NovaDragon-ws5cq]

i put almost 400 hours into before putting it down "for good". I will likely replay both ZD and FW going into the release of H3, however, for now I am definitely done. All I will say is, I agree completely. Just the final mission of The Burning Shores expansion alone makes the game worth playing through to get there. I have uploaded a quite a few videos of my Ultra Hard playthrough to my channel. This game is horribly underrated, and deserves its own time of day. Having Platinumed both Elden Ring and FW, I can truthfully say I enjoyed FW much more.

[@markthompson5032]

I wholeheartedly agree with every second of this review. The beauty is in all the small details! They characters are lovable, varls death didn't hit at first, but as soon as aloy shed a tear, i did too! I waited for this to come to pc and finished the main story the other! It's one of my favourite series of all time, and this review is a perfect summary! Also, i just wanna do a nod to how professional this review was for someone with less than 1000 subscribers. That's insane and I can definitely see you getting bigger! Can't wait to watch your channel grow, my dude. Keep it up!

[@TrollLogic]

Wow man, thank you so much for your nice words and support! Truly appreciate it and hope you enjoy all there is to offer in the future!🙏

[@michelangelofilippi1717]

I have 170h on the game, i agree with you that its a gorgeous game to play. I absolutely loved the first chapter and loved even more the new one. Its a masterpiece in my opinion, one of the few games that does not have a game pass or microtransaction in it

[@Skywing452]

i just beat HFW and loved it, took me 6 months but it was a journey. i completely agree with missions being super far apart. in the beginning they were in the general area so if you look at my map currently the beginning is completely explored. but towards the end of the game i ended up only fast traveling and the left half of my map is full of clouded areas i didn’t get the chance to explore

[@DragonAge87]

The Horizon series i feel is so underappreciated. The series is amazing and is my second favorite gaming series of all-time

[@jackreeves7]

Only not appreciated by the extremely small % of gaming twitter

[@Luizanimado]

Honestly, I don't think Breath of the Wild and Elden Ring overshadowed this game at all. If the game was actually good, people would praise it, and to be fair, the game did performed well, but the problem is that the game doesn't do anything great, it's just kinda mediocre in a lot of ways. Take Breath of the Wild, doesn't have the best graphics or story, but it has some very unique mechanics and some really cool concepts that other games don't have, Elden Ring also offers things other games don't, unfortunately everything in Horizons are just "okay", the combat is ok, the story is ok, the exploration is ok. The only thing I see people praising this game is the graphics, other than that, the game doesn't really have much to offer outside being a generic open world game. It's a good game to buy for 30 dollars.

[@baphnie]

I saw someone call it Borizon and I’ve never recovered.

[@TrollLogic]

That’s actually kind of funny lmao

[@russellwilson1049]

The story to me isn't good,like none of the characters are interesting including the main, the combat is very fun,had to push myself and I mean reallllly push my self to finish the main quest,and the evil cloud was my reward

[@saif_shahid1]

​@@russellwilson1049idk mate. Kotalli, Sylens and Beta do seem very interesting to me

[@Agent-cp3py]

HFW on PC is the most sophisticated and detailed game i have ever played

[@OriginalBeardedHaggis]

I really enjoy the horizon series. It’s so beautiful

[@thatdudeishere7627]

I preordered the game (because I was obsessed with the first game) and the main glitch that I saw (that got patched) was one where if Aloy went from the Gaia room to the main room, there was a chance that the floor wouldn’t spawn and you’d just fall under the map and keep falling for a very long time.

[@TrollLogic]

Yikes sounds rough

[@beforethecircusppltookme]

Thanks for making this, horizon is truly one of the best games I've ever played

[@TrollLogic]

Thank you for watching!

[@norma8686]

I agree that Ted Faro needed a different ending. Not being some blob but I always thought it would've been great if you see in a cut scene he's stumbles into the world from an overgrown ruin where he was cryogenically frozen. Now he stumbles into the beautiful world and maybe get found by Sylens or the Zeniths. Or he meets Aloy and gets shocked thinking she's Liz. I didn't like the whole exploring Faro's bunker with the Ted Faro wannabe and then run away cause the floor is lava now

[@TrollLogic]

There’s so much they could have done with Ted Faro, it’s sad to think of the possibilities

[@MAJIMAXKIRYU69]

I think that the way a KZbinr named FatBrett explains it makes sense an arrogant man trying at first to help the world spirals out of control and becomes a representation of his sins.

[@justadarnminute474]

This game came with my ps5, and I probably wouldn’t have looked at it if it didn’t, but I don’t think I could tell enough people about this game. So fun, great voice acting and characters. Redemption for Noshir Dalal after seeing his Star Wars appearances (good voice acting, despicable character arcs,) and just a wonderful conclusion. Sam Witwer as Walter Londra in the burning shores expansion was 🔥 as well.

[@DanielJosephBaker]

I knew that this would be the trajectory of this game. Now that people will have time to digest, they will realize how amazing this game is. Truly best in class gameplay, enemy design, world building, sound design, technical design, and graphics. it’s only the story that puttered out a bit with the rushed 3rd act.

[@antiXTRA]

love to see a small creator give their hot take, this is fire! if you have a free minute hmu! :DDD

[@William-Sunderland]

Forbidden West is a Masterpiece.

[@TheHiddenOne690]

This video was your first long form video on your channel, and you did a great job! I hope you build on this success because you have potential!

[@TrollLogic]

Thank you very much, I really appreciate that! 🙏🙏🙏 I intend to keep making videos and keep improving!

[@SHMidlerPlays]

I love the Horizon games, they are so underrated and their narratives are so amazing! And these are the only games where I actually go seeking out the side quests of any game I play as they actually feel rewarding to play and rewarding in expanding the world and introducing us to characters that actually feel important even if only for a short amount of time. I love these games and can’t wait for the next game.

[@jackreeves7]

I wouldn't really say they're underrated though

[@SHMidlerPlays]

@@jackreeves7 how so exactly? You got me curious about that

[@VonGreen]

Talking about the death of Varl it is really sad and not just that but also the fact that seemingly the Nora's are always taking the short end of the stick... We lost Rost in the first game, there's the attack of the Eclipse at the Embrace that end with lots of Nora casualties, and my God not to mention Sona, the Nora's War Chief and Varl's mother, she lost both her son and daughter and as of right now she's not even aware that her son is gone. Maybe I went too much into the story but having played the first and the second game the character development and storytelling made me care about that fact and those characters like that. Both Zero Dawn and Forbidden West are two really good games. And very nice video btw!

[@cezarycwika8804]

I would even say, that for me this georgeos game has even less flaws than you mentioned. For me the situation of Faro being killed of screen and then when rebirthed faro gets killed by giant golden faro head is the best way to kill the ego top that this character had from beginning, and on top of that it gives you a chance how disgusting he looked, because i supose he wouldnt be someone pretty or a person that you can speak to, after you saw him as a clump of cells and you've heard his scream that sounded lie monster. In terms of glitches, thats funny because from launch, i didn't get almost any of them. I get what you mean in terms of ending, but i was simply amazed by thunderjaws and Slaughterspines spawning and killing everything on their way, also i found it really satisfactioning that the final boss wasn't something i've battled before ( like in zero dawn when you fight again a boring deathbringer). I love those games and i could tell good thing about them forever, but i don't really have time😅. Btw. Sorry for grammar, english is not my native language and i wanted to write it fast

[@lirian1053]

You really should have mentioned the visual changes the world goes through when you mentioned npcs talking about Aloy as an immersive detail!!! It's been something I was looking for, while collecting the 3 functions and doing Zo's quest to help Plainsong.

[@adambarnes49]

Already loved this game,you don't need to convince me to play it

[@buttercup9884]

Having played both HZD and HFW I can't wait for the third installment. For me the story, the characters, the world and the combat is something very close to perfection. The only two problems I get is combat against humans where their AI is kinda simplistic + the melee combos from HFW are too counter intuitive to use. The other one is progression system which simply does not offer anything in new game plus once you have maxed out all skills. The hate comes from 2 sides. First - people who call themelves 'true gamers' who play only 'difficult games' and everything else is beneath them. The launch of HFW coincided with Elden Ring and before ER launched th horizon videos were full of comments laughing at its graphics that got replaced once ER launched (with its poor performance and really poor graphics) with more general 'HFW is trash'. Funnily there was another game that was in ER window of release (the same month) that got the same treatment - Dying Light 2 - it so happened I watched HFW and DY2 playthroughs before and after ER launch and saw these comments in both. Some people somehow take it personally if 'their game' is not everyone's favourite. Second - people who learnt that women have hair on their skin in other places than a head and intimate parts - they just can't wrap their head around it. They go on a crusade against the game because they do not feel sexual arousal - I always recommend watching porn when you need a porn and do not confuse games with PEGI rating 16 with adult entertainment. The rest of rant about 'strong female character' is just a distraction - there is not much to help them - some of them will eventually grow up, meet a girl and learn that they are not machines for tending to their needs. Thanks for the video.

[@pdt1226]

It's a masterpiece that should be played. Bring on the next one. 🎉

[@missygandarilla5188]

i had never heard of horizon until I got my PS5. Even then, I didn't play it for almost 2 years. It didn't look amazingly captivating. Now, It is one of my top 5 games. Right up there with Zelda, Red dead, AC black flag, and Ghost. Love love love these games. currently playing forbidden west and i love it.

[@AquilesX11]

After watching your video I will now replay it , thanks.

[@TrollLogic]

Thank you for watching and I hope you end up enjoying your play-through! Let me know how it goes!

[@yogeshwarbarai9686]

Horizon series,i love everything about this game. Pure adventurous and heavenly good for single player mode.

[@gambostic7420]

I'm someone who doesn't really play story games, but both horizon games are in my list of few games that i played the heck out of and had fun all the time, The graphics of both games, the moment i started playing FW on pc i was instantly impressed how they improved the already pretty good sequal, I just love this game

[@ashroskell]

First visit to this channel, despite being a big gamer. Seems odd that the algorithm hasn’t recommended you earlier, since you’re more colourful and articulate than the average games critic. And amidst all the wit and quips your sincerity comes off as authentic, not wrote, like so many channels I could name. Really enjoyed that. And I felt better informed for it, too.

[@TrollLogic]

Wow! Thank you very much for giving my video a chance and I greatly appreciate all that you’ve wrote in this nice comment, it means a lot!

[@McSmurfy]

I wasn't into Horizon and didn't play the first one, but what got me excited for this game was in the trailer with a grapple, glider and robot dinosaurs where I could tame one to fly or run with on the ground. That's the gameplay I liked and I don't play games for the story, but mainly action and this game was amazing.

[@tigerex777]

I never doubted Guerilla games, I love almost all their games and for a good reason. Guerilla just knows how to make a quality game. Their Killzone games were amazing. Zero dawn was amazing for a new ip and I knew Forbidden West was going to be another banger, and it was. Graphics are one of the highest, polish is one of the highest, open world design is top notch, combat is amazing(long range) and close range combat is better than the first one but still not as good as long range. This time around the side quests are even better and the character animation and voice acting are all of the highest quality. Overall I spent exactly 102 hours on the game and I still had like 30% of the map uncovered; still tons of sidequests untouched.

[@Trag1cVision]

Also a shout out to the music. In your vid at 14:02 THAT's I get hyped when it triggers in the game. Especially when the bass kicks in. :)

[@danielsan9850]

I’m with you on how the story handled Ted Farro. We didn’t even get a look at what he became. It would have been more impactful if Aloy faced down against the man who started all of this via a boss battle.

[@gastonsantos258]

this game is great, if you only play the main missions. bad thing about the game is, there are "level requierment" if you want to play the main missions. Levelling requires you to play side missions & errands, which make the game bad, cause every side missions is basically the same, talk to npc, follow the trail, and fight machine (in a monotonous way). that's what make people get easily bored in this game. Not everyone is enjoying to do the same thing over and over again (tho i have no problem with it). in other words, your pace is heavily controlled, no freedom at all.

[@TrollLogic]

Interesting you say this as I never felt like I was forced from progressing the story because of my level. Perhaps that’s because I actively engage with the side activities/missions in between main missions naturally so the pacing felt free to me. But is it really good to play an open world game and then engage with nothing that world offers besides the main story?

[@gastonsantos258]

@@TrollLogic i mean, at least they can make the side missions more interesting & enganging by putting some effort & to add variations on it, not just shoot that shoot this. Look at cyberpunk’s side missions. You can enjoy the game only by playing the side missions only. And the problem at Horizon is the monotony, not in the side missions itself. It’s good for you if you can enjoy with playstyle. 🤝

[@sulemanarshad6647]

your video has totally convinced me to play this game

[@TrollLogic]

I hope you enjoy your time!

[@abhishekprajapat415]

I will tell you why this game so underrated and the reason is very very obvious. I started this game and it took me a while to enjoy it, AND by a while I mean nearly 15 hours. The game is slow paced the side missions are almost mandatory to get level ups and xp. If that was not all, the flying mount is gained towards the end of game. The missions take away the sense of urgency. Compared to Ghost of Tsushima the sense of urgency is basically non existing. I can keep going but that will suffice. Thanks

[@korkuc26]

I've played it like 5 times. Sometimes I just find myself wandering around the world of forbidden west. Breathtaking, stunning game. Mechanics are amazing too.

[@Marksman3434]

I’m currently playing the Dishonored games for the first time as they were in my backlog, and once I’m done with those, I’ll start playing HFW since it’s finally ported to PC. Can’t wait to get into it. Loved Zero Dawn, so I’m sure I’ll love Forbidden West too.

[@nicolaslabra2225]

you are doing lords work mate, Forbidden West is an absolute banger, currently my favourite sony exclusive and people are absolutely sleeping on this one, maybe when the 3rd one is announced more people will pay atention.

[@Zay408er]

This game is amazing. I’m so glad it ended up on PC. I am playing it on my new lg wide view monitor and it’s amazing.

[@Zay408er]

Beautiful is an understatement lol

[@broadstreet7641]

I got HFW on release. It was the very first game that I never got a platinum. Currently playing HZD and will play HFW soon after.

[@scottarrowsmith3649]

Absolutely one of my favorite all time open worlds games. Played all the way thru including the expansion! Can't wait for the third!!!

[@andrewowens4421]

The game is good. Like _really_ good. Unfortunately it was overshadowed by other games, especially Elden Ring which is also a really good game. When you're released alongside other good games, gamers become spoiled for choice and your game can end up overshadowed.

[@SomeSillyGoosy]

I mostly agree with you and I also find this game kinda underrated although it's not like i care really much at all about that because I enjoy entertainment products for myself above all and if other people enjoy it as well cool and if not whatever you know. I played Horizon Zero Dawn a first time on ps4 back in like 2019 or something and tbh I had a bit of a hard time finishing it but I finally did it and also the expansion Frozen Wilds which i found really cool, then I replayed it on pc entirely and finished it just hours before the sequel Horizon Forbidden West pc port released in February of this year and replayed it entirely on pc as well and also the expansion Burning Shores but in this case it was the first time i played it but I really enjoyed it though. I pre ordered and played Horizon Forbidden West at launch on ps5 and had a great experience although it had it's shortcomings and for me it was the image quality especially on the performance mode on ps5 because there is no way I would have played at 30fps again. That is a non issue on pc of course especially with DLAA or DLSS which i played with and I have a monster pc so yeah.😄 I mean personally what made my enjoy Horizon Forbidden West much more than Horizon Zero Dawn is the verticality and the ability to climb much more things with it's gorgeous world and of course the glider and in the end you even have access to a flying mount and also in the expansion Burning Shores you have access to a flying mount who can also go under water which is so awesome and you can bring it to the base game too ! But yeah you get it I really love this game and the franchise overall and I can't wait for the third installment for sure !

[@TrollLogic]

30fps feels like such an eye sore now, how did we not even see with previous gen?😭

[@SomeSillyGoosy]

@@TrollLogic Well I saw it, I just couldn't had a gaming pc back then so that's why I played on console back then but since a few years now I only play on pc and never could play on console again.

[@michaelcarrig627]

People lump this game in with Ubisoft because of some formal similarities. But there is so much more depth in this series. I also think that coming out alongside Elden Ring and Tears of the Kingdom didn't help it at all. The art design is fantastic, the enemy design is even better, and the action is novel. Each game is packed with genuinely fun things to do and the game never tries to steal your time.

[@jackreeves7]

Horizon does attract a lot of weirdos thinking they're cool for hating the game, as it released next to 2 major releases. That is only a very small % so i wouldnt really call the series underrated. Vast majority love the series, so glad to see it expand with many more games coming :)

[@EgyptianManc]

I am a massive massive fan of HZD. Ive played that game from start to finish so many times. Platinumed, the lot. Love it. I bought Forbidden west the day it came out. Special edition etc. but didn't get around the playing it because of Destiny 2 abd Fortnite. But have now started playing it and absolutely love it too. I must say, i still think the first one is better but im loving this. Cant wait to start burning shores too.

[@sepplschpeedruns281]

The game is amazing, I would put it in my top 10 most favorite games of all time.

[@dorian763]

thats a stretch

[@sepplschpeedruns281]

@@dorian763 I said in "my" top ten. Doesn't mean it has to be in yours as well :)

[@dorian763]

@@sepplschpeedruns281 Yeah I know my point is that you top 10 probably must be stupid trash lmao...

[@poisoningthewell3636]

This game is better in every way than ZD except over all plot. Mechanically and gameplay wise it is amazing.

[@nativeamericanwill]

Been playing zero dawn and forbidden west over the past couple months for the first time and they are both absolutely amazing!!!

[@LuvMike]

Forbidden West is the prettiest game to date on the PS5 the only other game that I personally can say that comed close is GOW Ragnorök

[@BensBrickDesigns]

I'm in love with this franchise so much. I like a lot of games, but they don't make me want to replay them like HZD/FW does. I evangelize this game more than anything.

[@MaxxadTV]

I actually just finished it after putting in nearly 50 hours. It was definitely a great game, however, it is quite boring at a lot of times. The criticism is 100% accurate but so is the praise. I honestly don't see a third one coming for a good while.

[@walidalhajj]

This was a very good and well balanced review. Thank you for this.

[@TrollLogic]

You’re welcome and thank you for watching it and leaving this nice comment. I appreciate you 🙏

[@Kryed]

for once in my life, after quit playing video game, years ago, i experience one of most SUPER AWESOME moment fighting final bos for burning shore dlc. the graphic is SO GREAT that made my wife thought i played a movie .

[@OlexiVR]

I love the game. I spend a lot of time going for the side quests and jobs to upgrade my gear. And I want to raise everything. Well, it's very time consuming. But I still love this game

[@LatterDayPup]

The way people talk about Horizon on Twitter and social media compared to everywhere else seriously makes me wonder if they played completely different games. Or maybe it’s just another example of Twitter not being the real world.

[@jamescooke837]

One of my top 10 of all time, it's so good and pretty, the photo mode I best out there, and the world and machine is my absolute favourite

[@reyskywalker8951]

20th play through, Easter eggs all over the place, but not on the beaten path, stunning graphics, a beautiful red head antagonist that is also a bad ass, mechanical dinosaurs, multiple cultures to investigate, hidden caches in unlikely places.... What's not to love about this game?

[@TrollLogic]

I don’t think I’ve ever played a single game 3 times let alone 20💀 love your passion for it!

[@tyler69]

I loved the first game and the second game they do great things but i hope the third game isnt released on the sake week as gta6

[@TrollLogic]

Nah bro definitely same day for sure

[@ActualBottleman]

Absolutely incredible game series. I made the mistake of too much horizon however, i played HZD and Forbidden west one after another and platinumed both. I was absolutely floored with forbidden west the first play through, but going for that new game plus trophy was the killer for me. Especially on ultra hard and having to upgrade all the new game plus weapons to maximum. Thats to say that I hopped into the series late so I actually only got through playing them this year. Still looking forward to horizon 3 tho.

[@Maciejowski96]

I'm playing this game on a 3600x/2070S PC with mixed high/ultra settings, with no problems. I'm having a great time with this game, currently 80 hours on Steam clock. I hope they make a movie or something about Operation Enduring Victory and Project Zero Dawn.

[@TrollLogic]

Glad to hear you’re enjoying the game!

[@allandm]

The gameplay against machines is so much fun! Just wish they had improved human combat further, a parry/ block and lock on (or auto soft lock on like ghost of Tsushima) would make it infinitely better to fight humans.

[@TrollLogic]

Yeah the combat against humans could have been better now that you mention it

[@Blinkptx]

Horizon is one of my favorite franchises! I'd pick it over almost any game. Also, I think Ted's fate was done well. He wanted to be a god, and became a deformed monster who was unceremoniously killed by the very people who would have worshiped him. Loved it.

[@jacobriosortiz3025]

ugh this is the ONLY game i have put over 190+ hours into it (still gotta break 200 :P). what captivates me the most is the bow combat! I have always loved bows and arrows in videogames and this game just takes it to the next level. Also just the combat in general, every single encounter can be conquered in a number of ways. its actually amazing and if you look up youtubers that teach you the mechanics in depth and how you can take advantage of them.... wow this game is just phenomenal

[@KarlLew]

Thank you for the well-deserved homage to HFW. I'd like to add that HFW is so well done that I'm using it to learn other languages. 🎉

[@TrollLogic]

That sounds cool as hell, how are you doing that?

[@TheEradicator01]

It’s one of my favourite franchises (If you wanna call it that). It’s visually stunning and if you like the gameplay mechanics of ZD, this takes it one step further. I bought the digital deluxe so I’m a fan and I can’t wait to see what the developer’s do for a third instalment. The only downside is Lance Reddick will not be coming back as Sylens 😔

[@piratetv1]

I never played those other games because the horizon games were out at the same time

[@paulfitzpatrick6566]

I just bought the manual on HFW, it’s huge & packed with helpful info on how to best play the game. Every machine is well explained. Gorgeous pictures on every page. It’ll be a mission just reading & digesting the info it contains. Great buy. £20 on AP. 👍

[@TrollLogic]

Sounds like money well spent for you!

[@paulfitzpatrick6566]

@@TrollLogic indeed. On Amazon, some ppl are advertising it for £200 as a collectors item.

[@Ace-Brigade]

This is pretty much my favorite game of all time at this point. I am currently going through the last of the side mission/ Collectibles stuff to avoid finishing the expansion pack and having it all be over.

[@RobGotlieb]

hey, this is the first vid of yours that i watched and i have to say i am super impressed. really liked what you had to say and the way you said it. have no doubt that your subs will be huuuuuuge. enjoy!

[@TrollLogic]

Thank you for your kind comment, let’s see what the future holds🙏

[@mob8502]

I cant wait for horizon 3, you just know there is gonna be a goated game releasing within a week

[@rawwgg]

I loved the story and where it is leading. The only problem for me was the upgrades and that arena melee fights quests. Those were poorly done and I don't recall using those spear combat tricks knowingly. I had a 100% completion on HZD, but just couldn't do it for HFW. I gave up on upgrading weapons after a certain point as I had to gather 4 different animal parts in 4 different areas. And when I gather the parts, I have to go to a crafting bench to craft it. WHY? Let me just do it in my inventory. But NO. You go at the crafting area, upgrade the weapon and then you realise that you used something that you were gathering for some other weapon, so now you have to go to the same hunting place and repeat the same.

[@Magusbrrj27]

Horizon Forbidden West is INCREDIBLE and BEAUTIFUL! 🥰😍🥰

[@Nicole-introvert]

16:37 I love this scene with Kotallo.

[@TrollLogic]

Kotallo the GOAT

[@abirbinhabib7669]

this game is beautiful! the ending of the story felt a bit hasty but holy shit its still so good and the machine hunts are so good along with different weapons and combat