Horizon: Forbidden West Was Set Up To Fail (Elden Ring Completely Overshadowed It)

[@LukeStephensTV]

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[@jazper8421]

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[@RazorNivekUltimate9000]

Well for me it was Horizon Zero dawn forbidden west who won over elden Ring 👍, cuz I got Collector's Edition from Horizon so i had no money for elden Ring plus i ve never played souls like games

[@astronot1578]

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[@MattSpoon07]

Bruh, I've been playing games my entire life. I've played all types. The first Horizon game looked uninteresting. A chick running around fighting robot dinosaurs. That's dumb, I'm not interested. Then they made a second one? Why? Who cares? The lore and world are dumb, I don't care what anyone says, it's dumb. Shooting arrows at robot dinosaurs? Guys, this is stupid. It failed because it's not interesting to most people. It's not a sturdy concept, it's a dumb concept.

[@GamerScotty]

@@MattSpoon07 Ok, you’re free to have an opinion. However if you actually played the game, you’d come to enjoy it.. bought both Horizon & Elden Ring, love both but would choose Horizon hands down. What’s more, HFW sold 20million copies vs Elden Ring selling 12million in February. ;)

[@thedapperdolphin1590]

I mainly want a third Horizon game because it would inevitably mean that some other genre-defining open world game will be released two weeks after it.

[@jeremybrown9611]

Don't be like that lmfao

[@simonmercuri3073]

@@jeremybrown9611 Hey those are facts. Horizon do be a beacon for the other game that will overshadow it a week later

[@7evan]

You know..... Botw 2 is still baking in the oven so who knows? Maybe you're on to something here

[@thecompanioncube4211]

@@7evan BOTW 2 will come next year. I doubt they'll make Horizon 3 in one year. So BOTW 2 not genre defining confirmed?

[@7evan]

@@thecompanioncube4211 lol honestly I don't expect it to be, maybe it can potentially be "the greatest Zelda game of all time" for 6 months at best and at worst I'm atleast expecting a refined version of Botw with actual dungeons. But hey I guess if they exceed my expectations then good for me because then I get to play a great game

[@HiroyaFujimiya]

The thing is, ppl NEVER expected the whole Elden Ring content are these big. Many souls discussion predict there will be 5-6 regions at max. But guess what, the content is" overengineered" at best, you have 9 regions(or 10 if snowfield counted) and even we even not talk about the underground area that surprised many ppl how it vastly big too. For 60/70 dollars game that even NOT HAVE ANY MICROTRANSACTION with such big content, Elden Ring is a miracle on its own on today climate of video game.

[@pahlevymu]

Exactly, Souls fans were talked about ER for years since it’s teaser back in 2019. But before the game was released, none of them expected it would blow the whole market. I myself didn’t expect some of my relatives who mainly play CSGO and Valorant would try Souls games, until ER proved me wrong.

[@TheMrCHELL]

Since FW flopped we won't see a third game. Maybe Guerrilla will need to close it's doors. Enjoy the next 10 or more Souls-like ganes made by Miyazaki, since that is what makes people happy. The End.

[@martinscarton4561]

@@TheMrCHELL i work as a server and sure i hear more about random people getting elden ring but talking to some people that i would have assumed to get elden ring i had a few tell me they were actually busy with forbidden west i liked the first one and will probably get forbidden west too but elden ring i have been waiting for since fiest teaser

[@curtisjackson4090]

@@pahlevymu you're exactly right. Big Soulsbourne fan... completely and utterly was blown away at the widespread praise it got from non Soulsbourne fans (ie the whole gaming communication)

[@Riku-Leela]

Masterpiece of a game

[@simonmercuri3073]

So the lesson here is that whenever a Horizon game is announced we should get hyped because another game that will make innovations and be incredible will come out soon after it

[@strangeatlas835]

Or maybe they will now give up on the Horizon series entitely and we will never see another game of the decade release

[@elidasilva5558]

Ouch

[@philipfahy9658]

@@zacoliver5547 Mad cause bad?

[@vandalm9311]

@@zacoliver5547 Eh.... I wouldn't use "user metacritic scores" as a valid metric for anything, it's too easy to review bomb a series especially something like Elden Ring that has so much hype and sales around it.

[@eddy6969100]

@@zacoliver5547 Jesse wtf are you talking about ?

[@kilmindaro3]

Horizon is like the Tarnished, stepping bravely into the world, and meeting the Tree Sentinel that is Elden Ring.

[@Kodiakhunter]

Except In this analogy, the tree sentinel isn’t optional…

[@fredjohnson8818]

That's bull crap, they are two totally different games. One is a souls games with multiple bosses and hidden bosses and over 300 hours to explore while the other is a standard single player open world game, that's barley 60 hours. Comparing the two is totally off, the Witcher 3 is the type of game you should compare to Elden ring, not horizon.

[@ashenone3883]

@@fredjohnson8818 I’m fairly certain you missed this analogy. They are different games yes but at the end of the day they’re fighting for YOUR money

[@puddi8817]

Its more like being tarnished and stepping outside the starting church only to find malenia

[@Ch1l1C0nCarnag3]

Or it's like you spawn in the Chapel of Anticipation, and instead of the Grafted Scion you're met with Malenia, Pre-Nerf Radahn, and The Godskin Duo... and dying doesn't skip them.

[@RegalPixelKing]

This isn't the first time where Sony underestimated FromSoft and their genius either. When Demon's Souls was funded and published by Sony Sony was dead set on keeping that game exclusive to Japan because they did not believe in an international success. That ended up biting them in the ass and serving Bandai Namco very well with them being the publisher of the Dark Souls franchise that sold 25 million units and Elden Ring which has sold over 12 million units and is still pushing millions to this day.

[@g33k_Tech]

im just glad i bought the elden ring wihtout hesitating

[@gravityrushfan299]

Fuck Sony and firing people behind the demon souls game

[@William-Sunderland]

I find a problem with your theory, its called Bloodborne.

[@declicitous1763]

@@William-Sunderland yes, AFTER dark souls became an international success and Sony knew that it would be well received from the western audience and they would massively profit from it being exclusive to their platform

[@user-vc7bo4zy3l]

How in the world did you come up with Demon souls was made exclusive to Japan? NA was released a few months later, and my friend forced me to play that game and I still have the disc. There are still priority and resources dependent, with debuting the very first of its kind, I can understand localization for the game was not a priority.

[@williammoore1030]

Elden ring waaay over performed from softwares expectations. It took dark souls 3 years to sell 10 million copies up until recently souls games were popular but only for hard-core gamers. This is the first main stream souls success. I think they predicted 4 million sales in the first month, meanwhile it sold 12 million in 10 days.

[@JustMe_Inq]

Yeah exactly, Sony might have underestimated ER aswell

[@pegolini1179]

@@JustMe_Inq I think that everybody did. The hype around ER reached Cyberpunk levels during its peak. And that game was marketed for years.

[@sartavin]

Yeah, Sekiro sold 5 million and that was generally GOTY in 2019. Bloodborne sold like 3 million? ER's success was unprecedented.

[@exysa2798]

While CDPR will go bankrupt soon because almost everyone refunded Cyberpunk

[@exysa2798]

@@pegolini1179 Elden Ring was way more hyped than Cyberpunk 2077. Elden Ring had great reviews, was finished, etc.

[@kaminax3456]

I started playing forbidden west day one and even took a few days off to play it. It was an incredible game and I got almost right the way through it. I also preordered Elden Ring because I knew I enjoyed Soul's games and from what I had seen, it looked absolutely incredible. When Elden Ring released, I was in the middle of playing Forbidden West, and decided to take a break and try Elden Ring for a bit. I did not go back to Forbidden West.

[@OnMyLunchBreak07]

I played for 5 hours of FW. As soon as I started ER... poor FW has just been sitting there with only 5 hours lmao

[@uglyluffy7815]

Me too, but I have plans to play it once I get back from a trip I'm taking out of country. Elden Ring just demanded all my attention, but I do love Horizon.

[@johndolphmusic]

Same!!!

[@algorithmicalychallenged.291]

Good

[@chaTzon]

Same. And afterwards, horizon 1 was the better game...FW still a very good game but elden...yes elden....ohhh elden...what a ride.

[@edge21str]

The success elden ring saw was actually a bit unexpected, especially doing *this* well. They expected slightly better sales than DS3 or Sekiro. Almost nobody expected it to outsell DS3's lifetime sales by over 3m units in 3 weeks. If you look at interviews Miyazaki gave, even he was surprised and confused why exactly ER did so well now.

[@GhysahlGreens]

@Beek Hock in da Hos Yeah, everyone _except_ Miyazaki.

[@gamble777888]

Linking themselves to George R.R. Martin was marketing genius. It really gave it the mainstream hype it would have never otherwise recieved.

[@nuh-uhbro765]

@@gamble777888 Also the fact that it’s open world and has spirit summons they were able to really sell people on the idea that this game is accessible. I mean they were all lied to because the end game two shots with max vigor unlike any other Fromsoftware game, but i’m sure it helped boost sales

[@gamble777888]

@@nuh-uhbro765 No Elden Ring is definitely accessible, it all depends on how you play the game. You have access to a lot of easy areas you can level up in right off the bat and can even avoid Stormville Castle and other difficult bits altogether. It's open design allows the game to be as easy or as hard as you want it to be. Get stuck on Margit or Godrick? you can fast travel to another area and have a blast exploring and leveling up to get strong enough to beat him... you are a glutton for punishment? Virtually no area is closed and you can venture into zones where enemies are vastly overpowered at your leasure. Death is much less punished than in previous souls games with Runes and sources of grace basically litered all over the map. If you look at the achievments completion % stats it's kind of remarkable how many of the 15 million+ players plus experienced so much of the content. Radahn and Ryakard have like 30- 35% completion rate and those are bosses that are relatively late game and completely optional.

[@runeops1193]

@@nuh-uhbro765 elden ring is the easiest from soft game, if you want it to be.

[@leighknight561]

I love HFW and genuinely want a third game. Can’t believe their timing though, not only were BoTW and ER huge games but also breaking the open world mould twice, the very genre HFW is in so even more to compare it with. Personally, I think HFW needed to be at least 6 months away from ER to minimise the impact, look how ER is still dominating even 3 months later.

[@aX0n777]

i actually have no idea how ER took over HFW, I'm a hard core souls fan and i thought the opposite would happen, ER basically had zero marketing for as long as we've known about it, up until a few months before release, it was also a new ip, not a sequel and it wasn't an exclusive, i am both happy and bewildered by ER's success

[@SevenPr1me]

Breath of the wild didn't doing anything that assassin's Creed and Skyrim hadn't already done before. Also the Master Sword shouldn't be able to break. Most overrated game ever I think

[@lowsodiumgamer6805]

@@SevenPr1me are you sure you played the right game 😂 another kid who ccan’t handle the idea of a weapon breaking so that you have to adapt and use every weapon at your disposal it’s not like they don’t give you a new one right around the corner

[@SevenPr1me]

@@lowsodiumgamer6805 it's the lore principle. But whatever breath of the wild is not groundbreaking at all in the way it did open world.

[@SlamminRytch]

@@SevenPr1me you're brain-dead if you actually think that. Both Elden Ring and HFW borrow gameplay mechanics that were made popular by BOTW.

[@CharlemagneGuy127]

It’s kinda funny how each time a Horizon game came out, a well-respected and long-running game series makes its first foray into open world gaming by taking the approach that allows players to discover the games’ content on their own and encourage discussion and gathering info among players rather than peppering the game map with icons for players to mindlessly follow instead. First it was Legend of Zelda, now it’s Soulsborne. By the time Horizon 3 comes out, it’ll be overshadowed by, I dunno, DOOM trying an open-world game or something.

[@TechnoMinarchist]

Or ES6 comes out.

[@ericrowe2533]

Tetris: Open World

[@gimmeyourrights8292]

Zelda was always open world, their real debut was the first NES game.

[@lordcommissar7813]

@@ericrowe2533 I wanna see what lol

[@BeanSprouts02]

I dunno, I think the argument that what makes these games good was because they don't hold your hands to show you where you go is invalid. I bet majority of the community looks up where to go a lot, esp in Elden Ring where there are lots of puzzles and stuff that aren't very intuitive. Nothing wrong with that, I just noticed many fans like to use that argument when trying to prove that Elden Ring is better than a particular game.

[@Warmaker01]

Sony to Horizon devs: "I want you to stand on these train tracks." Devs: "But..." Sony: "Don't worry. You'll be fine."

[@MrParis215]

I chuckled at this☺️👍🏽

[@Hydra360ci]

whatever.... Sony funded it, they can do whatever they like with it. Just like how they crapped all over Days Gone and gushed all over Last of us 2... (since the PlayStation HQ is in imbedded in San Francisco and apparently they know the views of all American gamers, cause reasons. They are like....woke...u know.)

[@fictionnightmare7870]

They get screwed over a few times unfortunately.

[@egirlcafemanager7119]

Lmao this is totally Sony. They did the same with No Man's Sky

[@LOKSTED]

Salty Far cry, Horizon and BF 2042 devs were criticizing Elden Ring’s graphics, quest and UX on Twitter 🤣

[@stanleylee3329]

Horizon Zero Dawn was a great game-and the sequel improved it in every way. Yes, both games released in the shadows of *HUGE* games but I hate the lack of credit they both get because of it. They are both really fucking good games released in really unfortunate windows that totally deserve more respect. Hopefully they don’t release the next game before GTA 6 or something.

[@salagayikes4016]

Zero dawn was good but something about forbidden west just made it a boring slog. Top it off with Elden ring and the devs being picks and just never got into it

[@asterphyll]

@@salagayikes4016 Both are boring ubisoft cookie cutter trash. I cant believe this nonsense. Just watch disney movies with female leads. Stop using Elden Ring as an excuse for the mediocrity in which these shallow games thrive

[@oid__]

I’ve never understood the appeal of the Horizon games. They look like generic Ubisoft-esque open world action games to me, what makes them so special to some people?

[@madisonmacdonald4207]

@@oid__ This is coming from someone who never played them but would love to play it if I could, It's the story and the lore surrounding it. Horizon zero dawn and forbidden west takes place in an incredibly unique post apocalyptic world. Not to mention I just love the characters in it and can't wait to see what happens in later dlcs and what not :D Now don't get me wrong, Elden ring has interesting lore and I love the look of it, but you have to admit theres a lot of connecting themes with previous Dark souls games in the genre :P

[@redacted4125]

@@oid__ Personally I think they're way better than the generic open world action games Ubisoft makes. The gameplay, quality, and story are all way better. It's nothing special, but they took that "nothing special" to a whole new level of polish and quality compared to a lot of other open world games.

[@ShadowProject01]

I actually bought Forbidden West a week before Elden Ring and rushed through my 1st playthrough because I knew once Elden Ring dropped it would gather dust.

[@Morden97]

I wasn't fast enough to finish HFW and my playthrough of that game is still suspended 😂😂

[@Pontif11]

I figured i'd end up doing that so i just waited a week and got ER. I'll get Dinosaur Robot game when it goes on sale soon 🙂

[@Bdannn1]

@@Morden97 same💀

[@jamesbevan4479]

My mate mirrored this. Speed ran forbidden West and is still playing Elden ring now. I ask him was it worth it? To rush a game he was looking forward to, to binge ANOTHER game he was looking forward to, £100 in 2 weeks... His response was "eh" 🤣

[@j8457]

I played a bit of HFW before elden ring but once the later released well, hopefully I'll finish HFW this year lol (it's a really great game btw but ELDEN RING... OH ELDEN RING)

[@mackrod1977]

I don't believe even FROMSOFTWARE thought Elden Ring would be the colossal hit it became. I played all the dark souls games and during that period had always wanted an open world version. Thought if they ever made one it would be for me, the dark souls lover. It is not unreasonable to believe that Sony didn't see this coming either.

[@Daniel-jz9td]

They expected to sell 4 million copies in three months to say the game was successful, instead they reached way more than what they predicted in less than a month. FromSoft cared about its niche design which from a sales standpoint might have not been so wise but from a passion for games stance it was the best hill to die on for them, luckily they got successful in both aspects to the point even other devs and some game journos got salty about the praise Elden Ring has in many communities, which sadly nowadays is something good because you get haters only if you're good enough at something that got popular. I just want FromSoft to keep caring about what they want to do as devs to deliver good products, like the time they released Sekiro which wasn't the spiritual successor to the Souls Trilogy many people expected but they nailed it regardless. Having an Elden Ring "sequel" would be amazing but it certainly would be very hard work and a lot of time for FromSoft, I don't want them to do a CD Projekt Red, I want them to be the FromSoft we love.

[@nicholasnajibi3082]

Complete horseshit you are so wrong it’s not even funny everybody knew the power of Miyazaki’s art and what was coming

[@mackrod1977]

@@Daniel-jz9td totally agree with you there. Though I do wish that on elden ring 2 or ds4 they would include some very basic quality of life improvements like being able to compare your current gear to one you wish to purchase. Instead of having to memorize or write down the numbers to compare. I get the sign and remedy creative decision to multilayer, but wish they'd streamline that a bit since it breaks up the momentum. FSW has got me hooked in any case

[@Darth_Bateman]

The ONLY thing Elden Ring did wrong was super unoptimized boss design that makes replaying it a chore. I get that enemies hit hard , beat your ass and are aggressive. But I’ve got 8 hits to live on a build that passes the vigor test and 6 red golden flash’s because my FP is low and needs the blue golden flask. Meaning I have about 13 hits to live. The enemy has about 50-70 and typically outlasts my magic , forcing me to switch to melee. That is to say: let’s not forget about the rape class bosses like the goddamn putrid tree spirit that one hit kills you. Or 2HKOs you if you’re lucky. Or the gangbang class bosses : like the putrid Crystalids.

[@blizyon30fps86]

@@Darth_Bateman I mean sorta your fault for playing a solely mage build to the point where you’re useless against bosses without fp. I’m a moonviel katana User and I never have that problem 🤷🏽

[@rainhoo4096]

I actually disagree with the core theme of this video; that Elden Ring's success was predictable and it was stupid not to avoid it. Traditionally, FromSoft souls-likes do well but not tippy top of the sales charts well. I think the prevailing wisdom was that FS had a niche it ruled but didn't have much impact outside of that niche. Sure, Elden Ring was MY most anticipated game of....forever, but I wouldn't have thought Forbidden West would have suffered much by the comparison either. I was completely taken aback by the success of Elden Ring. Sekiro or DS3 were not even CLOSE to this culturally ubiquitous. Every streamer, every gaming channel, every magazine was suddenly lazer focused on this one 2.5A game. I think what Elden Ring revealed was that FromSoft had been playing the long game. FromSoft's reputation had been growing for a long time. Even if their games weren't exploding, public trust inthe company had been growing. By the time Sekiro got GOTY everyone knew of fromSoft as "That developer that makes the good games" and there were a lot of people who WANTED to play a Souls game but either never got around to it or who were intimidated by their reputation for high difficulty and enormous scope. Then Elden Ring comes along. It's open world. It's a little more accessible. It's brand new and it's reviewing like crazy. FromSoft's hard work over the past decade and a half suddenly payed off big time and every mother fucker still breathing bought, played and streamed this game. I think nobody expected Elden Ring to capture the sorta mainstream gaming crowd the way it did.

[@joeyy7904]

i completely expected this game to be massive in sales. there was a ton of hype prior to this game launching for years ahead of time (similar to cyberpunk) i personally have never played a souls game before but i bought ER on launch day was anticipating that day way ahead of time. plus every video i watched prior to launch talking about ER each and every time the message was the same "this game will be amazing and a huge release. game of the year material

[@Derek_The_Magnificent_Bastard]

I'm pretty sure it was polled more than once that ER was extremely anticipated. I just think Sony's hubris got the best of them in this matter. BTW as a hard core Souls player, I do like Horizon. Played it through twice. Once on PS and once on PC. I will definitely play HFW after I've done all of the endings in ER first that is. 😁

[@JBrandonMercer123]

You're insane and completely idiotic if you didn't think Elden Ring would be huge. It was probably the most predictable success story of the last decade. As long as they didn't release a Cyberpunk 2077-like product (and they never have even though they always have some performance issues), it was going to be huge.

[@incius8341]

@@joeyy7904 I was genuinely worried it wasn't gonna sell. I'd ask friends who were very into videogames, and they had never heard of elden ring 1 month before it dropped. It barely had an advertisement campaign until the last minute. Just silence, we got a couple trailers and that was all for years.

[@TheMidnightChannel]

Yeah I agree with you. Unless u were a souls fan. U probably weren't excited for this game. I mean this as a souls fan. These games fanbase have grown over time but not to the point of what elden ring has sold. No one not even the developers could have predicted this

[@lucasgeorg1214]

I think they also underestimated how well elden ring would do. It's from a developer that's known to make really difficult games, scaring a lot of people off. Fromsoftwares games were always kind of in a bubble, but that bubble does consist of people highly active on social media. If the game is good enough, then it will leak into mainstream media. I think Sony just didn't realise it would be so monstrously good that interest in it would leak into the more casual Horizon games/PS exclusives playerbase. But that's just how I would see it, had I been a marketer on sony's team

[@cjcolehour2778]

exactly claiming you could see Elden ring dominant from all the way in the past is frankly a huge reach, same with Zelda frankly, it had been a while since there had been any good Zelda games nobody was expecting breath of the wild to be as good as it ended up being, seems to me that Sony gust had amazingly bad luck.

[@echooo8083]

well said and 100% agree

[@why8298]

@@cjcolehour2778 all elden ring had to do was beat GOW and that’s not that hard for a fromsoft game to do.

[@pk417]

Difficult with boring gameplay Only good thing they made which was fun,had suspense was Sekiro I don't understand the overhype for elden ring

[@CathGiolla]

@@pk417 Eh, gameplay bit too simple for how vast the open world is, but it is still LEAGUES above whatever the hell is Horizon/ubisoft games are. Refreshing to finally play a somewhat big budget, open ended game that doesn't tell you what to do every 5 minutes

[@J3f3R20n]

When people started calling Elden Ring "Open World Dark Souls" it completely blew my mind because that move make perfect sense for the franchise (Even thou Elden Ring is it's own thing detached from Dark Souls). Aside from robot dinosaurs, Horizon always felt to me like just another open world game with than cinematic touch and hand holding from playstation exclusives. And even if Elden Ring has basically the same combat style of any Dark Souls, the art direction and the epic scale of it's world and presentation alone completely hooked me. The game just throws you in it and let you figure it out yourself rather than artificially locking content because "it's not the time yet" or forcing you into linear sections because "it's story time". Elden Ring, like Breath of the Wild, truly felt like you were in a journey by yourself rather than being taken to a journey by someone else.

[@throg4657]

The sheer volume of stuff to do in ER helps a lot with that too. Like, it feels like every single npc has their own involved questline that can span across an entire playthrough, which by itself makes multiple playthroughs inherently different from eachother due to the amount of stuff you accidentally missed the first time around (in my experience atleast). Its great.

[@LuM4rex]

I still prefer the old Dark Souls and bloodborne games to him. I just like the darker and more oppressive atmosphere and entourage of those games.

[@J3f3R20n]

@@LuM4rex i still prefer Bloodborne overall because the pacing, story presentation and combat for me were perfect.

[@onlyonechanc9591]

Well said bruh

[@BiggDickman]

Idk why people love bloodborne soo much. I soloed the entire game, and I barely remember any of it. I liked the designs and combat but other than that, nothing really impressed me. I heard people say that bloodborne had the best music as well. I literally can’t remember ANY of the boss themes other than Gehrman’s. Ds and elden ring have faaaaaar better music, to me at least.

[@MaxHaydenChiz]

In fairness to Sony, Elden Ring blew its sales projections out of the water. We all thought ER was going to be big, but I don't think anyone could have predicted this level of success. As originally slated, Elden Ring was going to be the best selling souls game ever and sell 4 million copies in the first 3 months. Instead, it sold 12 million in under 3 weeks. That's over half the entire sales of all souls games up until that point. And the game has continued to sell. It's already the second best selling game of the past 12 months (behind CoD) despite only having been on sale for 2. So, given how things played out, no amount of delay would have helped Horizon. I hope they get to keep making games though. They seem to be a talented team with a lot going for them.

[@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668]

I was not interested in Elden Ring until I played it. I am now hyped up like a dope addict. I have broken my RB button already. I feel bile rising in my throat because I can't even do light attacks.

[@nanno2990]

Elden Ring has boooosted future sales of Souls Games. This is their first open world game, they still have so much more to improve and adapt with.

[@MaxHaydenChiz]

@@nanno2990 I think you are underestimating the difficulty of making a good sequel to a game as definitive as Elden Ring. They made one of the best games of all time, and now have to follow that act. The next mainline game they make will be the test of whether or not they sell out. If they make something with a huge budget that can only be profitable with Elden Ring levels of sales, then they are going the way of CDProjektRED. If they make a good Souls game with a similar team and manpower and use the money to improve their systems or put more games in the pipeline, then they'll be fine. But money and wanting to always one up yourself are very tempting in this industry and have sunk a lot of really great companies with loyal fan bases.

[@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668]

@@MaxHaydenChiz Honestly, I was not into the previous Souls games I played. If the combat is different from Elden Ring, I probably won't enjoy it

[@idakev]

The speculation that Guerilla might not be allowed to continue making games is melodramatic. People need to calm down. lol. Forbidden West will likely go on to sell 15-20 million (Zero Dawn sold over 20m and also lost hype to another big, well reviewed game), and it seems like they're going to make Horizon 3.

[@nateklempner561]

"They really thought that they could go head to head with Elden Ring" Y'know, that kinda sounds like the mindset of every person that tried to take on the Tree Sentinel boss in Elden Ring on their first playthrough. It also sounds like the result was pretty much the same: brutally slammed into the ground within seconds of the fight starting.

[@levinseve3471]

Heh, nice,

[@ZuraJura]

I can hear it already

[@KaentukiTheFuki]

Literally everyone has been talking about this tree sentinel that I still haven't seen in 30 levels. I ran I to the knight cavalry as my 1st boss. I still have yet to see the tree sentinel

[@sebastiannelson6355]

@@KaentukiTheFuki Either you are blind or very very lucky. Walking out into Limgrave for the first time you can literally see Tree Sentinel.

[@Colin-kh6kp]

Ohhh, it can be done at level one if you try long enough. Long enough is usually too long for most lol.

[@Hi-Im-Gib]

The Horizon series in a nutshell so far: Great games on their own, nothing groundbreaking but very fun and loveable, that will always be offered as an Onahole to be fucked by literally the biggest, ost ground-breaking games in history.

[@Time-LG]

The souls dick risfing is insane cause it's none of that shit 😂

[@astro3213]

Wtf is that comparison lol

[@eclipse_ed_32]

Wtf man

[@chervoviytuz]

💀

[@teopalafox]

bro

[@daiyan5688]

fun fact: - I played Horizon 1 and loved it, never played any FromSoft title before. (watched a few playthroughs tho just for me personally their games sounded to difficult and frustrating for me personally) - I saw Horizon 2 talked about and hyped ever since it was announced, especially when it got released, even saw advertisement in my town and I never see video game ads around here. - Didn't hear about Elden Rings announcement or release AT ALL, just realized its existence after the release since it was hyped everywhere (for me all out of a sudden). So guess what? Here I am, haven't bought Forbidden West yet while having completet Elden Ring with all its achievements thinking its definitely game of the year 🥴

[@hombreg1]

You're a boss for finishing it chief

[@Sin05269]

all it's achievements? damn son. someone told you "git gud" and you took that personally.

[@daiyan5688]

@@Sin05269 guys I'm sorry to break it to you but I basically cheesed through everything hard. Good weapons, overleveling, summonings... but that just shows how this game is even accessible and fun for absolute beginners or noobs. In contradiction to all those unknowing who are whining about the game being to hard

[@daiyan5688]

I'm not claiming to be any good at the game and I would get my ass handed without those mechanics. Just saying that I really really love the game and enjoyed it a lot :)

[@Sin05269]

@@daiyan5688 Hey whatever gets you through it. Those mechanics are there to be used and I use spirit summons a lot. It doesn't take away from the accomplishment. You beat the game fair and square without cheating.

[@alexnewsome24]

I don’t think anyone realized Elden would be so big. As a die hard fan of the series I had hyped but if you compare PC launch player base from DS3 to Elden it really shows how massive it had become. DS3 peaked at 100,000 while Elden peaked a 1,000,000.

[@roonkolos]

With how much hype fans had given it since it's first announcement, anyone thinking it wasn't gonna be a big deal are more or less lying to themselves It was destined to at the bare minimum to sell like absolute insanity just on hype alone

[@alexnewsome24]

@@roonkolos the only people lying are the ones who thought it would be 10 times bigger. Literally no one saw that coming

[@theapproachingstorm2133]

What's even the appeal of it, I've played every souls like game including elden ring and I got past the first like 5 main bosses and a shit to of minibosses and shit but it never felt that fun, just a dark souls with a big world with like 5 enemies per mile and caves that are short and bosses that felt rushed. Just my opinion but I'll stick to Dark Souls, Elden Ring was a bust for me I much more enjoyed Horizon

[@calebtimmons4458]

@@theapproachingstorm2133 bruh really just trying to start an arguement like dude he’s just saying it sold well 😑

[@theapproachingstorm2133]

@@calebtimmons4458 How do you get me asking people that like the game what the appeal of it is when I didn't enjoy it, giving my valid opinion on the game. Was simply asking someone that has a different opinion then me why they enjoy the thing they do... Your comment was more argumentative than mine brother, still not trying to argue. Have a nice day

[@watertommyz]

Considering where Fromsoftware came from, and is dealing with right now, Elden Ring deserved to be the colossal hit it actually is.

[@TheRatedOniChannel]

Completely agreed, they had such interesting games before they basically created a new genre; I still play Lost Kingdoms 2, wish some of those franchises could return after the success they had.

[@deathpyre42]

@@TheRatedOniChannel How about a new Armored Core game? there's a gap in the market for mecha games and the soundtracks were always amazing

[@heistingcrusader_ad3223]

​@@deathpyre42 rumour has it they are creating a new Armoured Core game

[@oneepicsaxguy6067]

@@deathpyre42 in the works!

[@larkan511]

They continually produce and release games with bugs, glitches and shit netcode that the rabid fanboys write off as "ok" but would absolutely destroy any other franchise for having. They don't "deserve" anything.

[@BlackringIII]

I love forbidden West so dearly, along with it's predecessor. It's an incredibly well connected sequel and I cannot wait for the next. My only complaint it that I wish it lasted longer.

[@gilbert6181]

I felt that in the end I was just half way, yet it was over.

[@TenderNoodle]

Same, I’ve never replayed a game so quickly after finishing it.

[@gamerforlife3946]

The story and characters aren’t good though. May agree with gameplay became so much better though

[@sethfeldpausch4337]

@@gilbert6181 Yeah, it feels ripe for story DLC, cause there's just something about the main story that feels like it was missing something. I can't put my finger on it, but the conclusion didn't feel as satisfying as Zero Dawn's did.

[@bananaknight8575]

@@gamerforlife3946 how is the story not good? They found one of the only ways to actually continue the story of zero dawn without making it boring and predictable. Also the characters are pretty good

[@ChaseSchleich]

They had to release before Elden Ring. Releasing after would have been suicide. Granted, Sony didn't know that at the time but imagine Horizon releasing 2 weeks after Elden Ring. Elden Ring was the talk of the gaming world for over a month. Also, releasing that style of open world game after Elden Ring revolutionized that old open world model? That would have been bad.... very bad.

[@Drickles0]

There's a clear game drought now. Till the holiday season.. only a few indies will be coming out. They should have shoved it somewhere now and they would have dominated the market. But then again it would have been insane to predict that elden ring would have trended and reigned for this long so yh.

[@ridwanurrahman1967]

@@Drickles0 I agree, releasing it now would have been better. As people start finishing up with elden ring they are going to look for something to fill that gap, if horizon forbidden west were released now it would definitely have created more hype I feel.

[@chillhour6155]

You would think after what happened to the original release of Demons Souls and what followed they'd eventually give fromsoft some credit, but nah, Sony still haven't learned they're lesson

[@darkhaven9119]

No it wouldn’t have. I love elden ring and platinumed it already but I’m so sick of people acting like elden ring is perfect or that every open world game needs to be like elden ring now. QUIT IT. I like horizon forbidden west much more then Elden ring. This is coming from someone with over 200 hours in the game and the platinum. While elden ring is amazing, it DID NOT do everything better then horizon. I will concede that the exploration in elden ring is much better especially if you like true freedom, even though I personally prefer having waypoints and proper guidance. I like being able to just come home from work, boot the game up and relax. I don’t want to stress and waste hours trying to find shit or discover where to go all the time. I don’t have time for that shit In every game. Horizon is much more relaxing and pleasant to play due to this. Also, sure the combat in Elden ring is still really fun, but it’s no where near as fun as horizons combat. The game has some amazing boss fights but most of them are copy and paste, the boss fights in horizon are much more epic and fun. Nothing competes with fighting a huge terminator serpent or T-Rex with multiple missile launchers, lasers and all this other shit etc. Swapping between different bows and arrow types while laying traps out and trying to hit/knock off specific enemy parts to weaken them and try to get rare parts from it, so you can craft even better shit is much more fun then r1 or r2 spam lol. The story In elden ring is good but only if you spend hours going through lore videos and reading lore descriptions, it’s obtuse asf just like every souls game. Horizon presents its story in a much better way. Also while the world itself is beautiful in elden ring, it’s just much nicer in horizon too and the graphics in Elden ring don’t compare to horizon AT ALL. So I’d argue that aside from true freedom while exploring/world design, horizon does everything 10x better then elden ring lol.

[@Drickles0]

@@darkhaven9119 lol bro chill. No one is comparing the two games in terms of actual gameplay or which of the two games are better. Both games play differently and have their flaws. But more importantly one just turned out the be the game that came out at the right time and at the right place and one wasn't. Its just like what we were all stating under this thread. Sony basically gambled on how favourable horizon was gonna be and lost. Its just that simple. If horizon had come out around this period it would have had its time to shine fully and would have been given all the deserved praises you were giving it in your comment. Just like the first game it just came out at the wrong time. it got dwarfed and couldn't reach its full potential in terms of sales and playability. Basically two great titles gambled and went head to head and one lost. Its that simple. I personally feel if Sony had waited till now to release it it could have actually pulled elden ring numbers. There's nothing big releasing now till the holidays. People are now coming down the elden ring High. It would have had now till november-december to show the world how good of a game it truly is. Heck we wouldn't have had anything else to play eithereays except some few indie releases. But yeah a gamble is a gamble and its in the past now. Just sad that lots of people are actually not gonna experience this great game just because of one miscalculated launch.

[@bosspatz6862]

I think another thing that cannot be understated is the exclusive release on PlayStation compared to elden ring’s release on several platforms. I wanted to play Horizon, but couldn’t, because I don’t have a play station, I wanted to play elden ring, and could

[@matheuscabral9618]

that doesn’t count too much, the other time they released with zelda that is even more exclusive than horizon

[@richardrussel4567]

I think it can be understated because gowr was also exclusive and commercially it was much more successful.

[@johjoh9270]

same... I loved HZD when I played it not long ago, but can't play FW because no PS :S

[@connoriquada5429]

I feel like everyone sorta underestimated how fat Elden ring would actually be. As a souls fan I had been hyped for the game since it got revealed back at E3 like 2019 or whenever that was. I think George RR Martins name and the open world aspect of the game really broadened the interest of the game to the average gamer. As someone who would have been just as excited regardless i didn’t realize how huge a move that actually was marketing wise. It was kind of a shock to see everyone talking about Elden ring when it released because I’m so used to the niche community. It was just odd seeing Elden ring memes and shit on like popular pages. It’s weird but kinda cool. Though it makes for some straight disrespect online with new players lmao 😂

[@unknownguyindo4356]

Yeah, we didn't expect "Maidenless behaviour" and "No Maidens?!" to reach the "normies" even though the memes was pretty much a niche to some community.

[@Girkon]

The infusion of new fans is welcome and necessary for sure. As for the moments of rage and grief….welcome to the club, you’ll never be lacking in company.

[@TheMrCHELL]

Since FW flopped we won't see a third game. Maybe Guerrilla will need to close it's doors. Enjoy the next 10 or more Souls-like ganes made by Miyazaki, since that is what makes people happy. The End.

[@syro2412]

@@TheMrCHELL Yeah yeah we get it...you're pissed. You don't need to paste this everywhere.

[@manassikdar1]

@@TheMrCHELL cry more

[@michaelmcqueeferton6911]

I love horizon. I have over 200 hours in both games separately. Still, even I would say going up against elden ring was a massive mistake. To make it worse, elden ring not only met but exceeded the hype and is considered a master piece by many. Horizon could have been a contender for game of the year, but elden ring is a contender for one of the greatest games in history.

[@IzzyCoventina]

Didn't Elden Ring get delayed though? 🤔

[@sozony5585]

@@IzzyCoventina For a good reason. They delayed it while still having kept to the original deadline beforehand, so they had plenty more space to work- so that the game wouldn't come out a bugged, jumbled mess. Granted, there were still bugs and balance errors- but at least it wasn't Cyberpunk 2077 levels of fucked up, and it was playable. They took the extra month of delay to make a better, grander game.

[@jigalooo2331]

And they did it while making sekiro at the same time

[@carsonwilliams]

Except that elden ring is a completely different player base and style of game so comparing them is dumb at best. HFW is a story first game while elden ring is a only lore no story game. HFW is a single console game that is topping charts while elden ring is close to same sales and is on every platform.

[@kevinseraphin5456]

@@carsonwilliams I absolutely disagree, both games have a huge emphase on their world, to makes you want to explore it, to feel adventurous (why would you have dinosaur robots if you don't try to convey a sens of wonder and adventure), the thing is, HFW lean too much on the ubisoft formula, wich distract from this sens of discovery, it's a direct clash with what they try to convey, and players have been fed up with this for more than a decade. ER do exactly whan Horizon shoud've done to not be relegade to the rank of yet another bland and tasteless open world. Even if the narativ style of both games is different you can clearely compare them on what they try to acomplish gameplay wise...

[@Euruzilys]

Could be worse. If they release Horizon a week after instead of before Elden Ring, it might be way way worse.

[@Itami._.]

Yep. Since elden ring has a great open world with lots to do, horizon would've felt empty and people would've compared both open worlds. Either way Guerrila was fucked lol

[@a.g.m8790]

@@Itami._. you sound insane. Not only does Horizon Forbidden West have a better looking open world there’s objectively more to do in it. Literally the worst part of Elden Ring is it’s empty world full of copypaste enemies

[@Itami._.]

@@a.g.m8790 I never said it's a bad open world game, I actually played through it and enjoyed it. But elden ring rewards exploring and finding new areas by yourself feels better than horizon in which they specifically tell you what there is in that location. To put it simple- Elden Ring let's you grow by yourself while horizon always holds your hand.

[@a.g.m8790]

@@Itami._. ok so you haven’t even played HFW because if you did you would know it doesn’t tell you what’s in locations

[@Itami._.]

@@a.g.m8790 bruh I don't know why you are trying to defend a game in which got under performed by another game. You like HFW and I like elden ring more. Simple

[@joshb8976]

I’m proud of FromSoft for sticking by their guns and continue to make the good games even if there wasn’t so much of a market for it. I’ve put about 400 hours into it. Got the platinum. It’s one of the best video games of al time. It got the casual gamer understanding why the soulsborne genre is masterclass.

[@joshb8976]

With that being said, I’m watching this because I’m about to buy Horizon Forbidrn west and am looking forward to playing it

[@123bboymeandyou]

I think it’ll be on the list in the future but no one thought horizon would beat elden ring, ima horizon fan and didn’t think it would. Especially not game of the year, that’s probably god of war

[@hehexd4557]

Now play sekiro

[@Miriam_J_]

Not a market for it? It's painfully obvious now that there's a high demand for soulslikes, but even before Elden Ring, the games still were big. Like, let's not pretend that Dark Souls 3 and Seikiro were indie games that didn't get any mainstream attention. They were huge. Not Elden Ring huge, but absolutely huge enough to say there's a big market for good, complete, and challenging games. Like, why else would there be an entirely new genre spawned for them if they weren't already extremely popular? Sorry, I just hate people pretending like this is some rare case when it's really not.

[@FnD4212]

I don't think their soulbourne genre is the reason. The art direction, design, and lore are the main reason for their success. If other game uses the same mechanics as soulborne but empty lore and world design, it is a boring game.

[@ukguy]

I had huge expectations for Elden Ring and it totally blew away my expectations.

[@wurzelbert84wucher5]

I had a lot of fun with it as well, but how did it blew your high expectations away? I just ask, because I never had the feeling that From did anything unexpected with the game, it was very good, but also kinda formulaic.

[@kidnamedfinger2840]

@@wurzelbert84wucher5 just something about fromsoft games.. I've never focused on just one game at a time for months when the game is not a fromsoft game (other than rdr2 and Witcher 3). Same thing happened when I played bloodborne and sekiro. These games just keep you coming back no matter how many times u die or falter. The lore, the atmosphere and world building, the gameplay most of all, specially in the case of sekiro, these games are just too engaging, for the lack of a better word

[@lustrazor44]

@@wurzelbert84wucher5 that formula had never been used in an open world before. It blew everyone’s minds because the world was massive yet never tells you where to go but the world itself guides you. That’s new. Games don’t do that. They just make a big open space and stick map markers everywhere.

[@traviscue2099]

For me, it could be middle tier on the list for Fromsoftware games.. But that's just how good every game has been.. It's better than Demon Souls/Dark Souls 2, but those games were the first experience for me from Fromsoftware.. Bloodbourne had far better music and atmosphere.. Sekiros gameplay/combat was perfect.. Elden Ring is just an open world Dark Souls game, which is great! But I don't think Fromsoftware need open world games.. Their formula works just perfectly in semi-open.

[@Time-LG]

Blew them away and into the trash can?

[@Windupchronic]

As someone who's worked in marketing for 20 years, though not in video games, I can tell you from my experience that the marketing team does not decide release dates. They just have to do the best they can with the decisions upper executives make.

[@roonkolos]

To be completely honest, I doubt many games could have gone toe to toe with Elden Ring HFW just happened to be the whipping boy in this instance. Sucks it's happened twice. Cant wait for the third time it happens for people to mention it once more

[@adewan]

There are so many different factors and aspects that you need to perfect to go toe to toe with them. Fromsoft are by far the most successful game developers out there. Their resume shows that quality always beats quantity. Especially when it comes to the current “meta” in the gaming industry where everyone is trying to make a lazy, uninspired filler trash open world title every couple of years and call it a day.

[@lil_dick_girl_666]

@@adewan preach

[@systummhanger8216]

@@adewan "fromsoftware are by far the most successful developers out there" what in the actual hell is this shit. Ever heard of valve software? Or rockstar games? Or activision blizzard?

[@henta.i.3838]

@@systummhanger8216 Activision Blizzard is in hot water right now because of the Cosby Suite scandal and the predatory microtransactions of Diablo Immortal.

[@zscout1288]

@@systummhanger8216 as much as I love Vavle I would call them a successful video company any more.

[@DANBAN119]

I like to think that Bandai Namco saw how Breath of the Wild overshadowed New Dawn, looked at Elden Ring and Fromsoft, and just said “what if we did that again”.

[@applehazeva2739]

"This is where the fun begins"

[@DRYstudios1994]

Bandai Namco? Don't you mean Guerilla Games?

[@DaoistCuberboy73]

@@DRYstudios1994 Bandai Namco is the producer of Elden Ring. IDK if thats right, but i dont see Guerilla Games anywhere in Elden ring

[@DRYstudios1994]

@@DaoistCuberboy73 Bandai Namco is the publisher of Elden Ring. It's Fromsoft that produced Elden Ring. Guerilla Games developed the Horizon games. I think the original commenter was trying to reference that meme "Wanna see me do it again?;" however, the subject of the meme is supposed to be the one who performs an action again that they themselves performed earlier (in this case it would be Guerillla Games and their mistake in how they released the Horizon games). Using Bandai Namco doesn't really work for that meme because they would just be doing something that someone else had done earlier, not something they themselves did earlier.

[@DaoistCuberboy73]

@@DRYstudios1994 Ah, I see. Thank you for pointing it out.

[@jaspreetmaan121]

its 2026 and horizon 3 is about to release 1 week before GTA 6.

[@xvor_tex8577]

Elden ring hype when the reviews came in and especially when it launched were so massive that I genuinely had zero idea that Forbidden west even existed

[@evilpotatoman9436]

yeah me too... my entire feed was elden ring

[@Arcademan09]

Out of all my friends I only have 1 who played the original and he loved it so much he got the platinum trophy for it. When Forbidden West came out he... got Elden Ring instead because me and a few others got it and collectively we have over 500+ hours together, mostly on multiplayer helping each other

[@italianspiderman5012]

Yeah that’s like me,loved the first game,one of my favorites last gen titles,but after doing some research picked elden Ring,mainly because I’m tired of following question marks all over the map for predictable rewards,also the biggest selling point of the first game wasn’t there anymore,which was uncovering the mystery of robo dinosaurs.

[@ryanwatterson4038]

Nioh and nioh 2 are the best souls type games for coop Absolutely God tier game when played coop, the best of all souls type games for this reason

[@giorgosnikolaou7219]

Whats the point of this? Are you trying to say horizon us garbage? Because its not

[@Arcademan09]

@@giorgosnikolaou7219 did I say it was garbage? No so thanks for outing yourself. I said even someone who LIKES horizon enough to platinum the game he would rather play something else when the sequel comes out

[@xShinobiXx]

Isn’t that so fun tho? Doing single player with your friends and not just a basic single player. This combat is exceptionally fine tuned. With a massive giant world that looks gorgeous. Really how cool is that. More games should add this type of single player co op in

[@gerardray1232]

This was my most anticipated game of this year. I was so obsessed with the first game. Then everything changed when I tried Elden Ring for the first time. Haven't even started playing my copy of HFW until now...

[@DaJodad]

Same dude, I was excited to play HFW after having fun with the previous game but... then I got Elden Ring. After playing and beating Elden Ring a bunch of times I went and played a bit of FW and realized how much more clunky it felt after having played ER. ER really did redefine the genre in my eyes

[@ltingley86]

Just got platinum on ER and not long started FW. I was on the same train as you.....but you know what? I'm enjoying FW more. Never thought I would. But ER just isn't BB. Its pretty shit from capital onwards

[@NoSmoke1]

@@ltingley86 Bloodborne fans trying their hardest to not bring it up in an unrelated conversation

[@ltingley86]

@@NoSmoke1 But....it is pretty shit from capital onwards. No denying that at all. Elden beast was a terrible boss, radagon was way better, enemy placement was terrible past the capital, not to mention the copy and paste enemies.

[@NoSmoke1]

@@ltingley86 I won't argue your opinions, I just thought it was pretty silly that you brought bloodborne up even though it wasn't even mentioned in the video

[@timallanmusic]

Horizon is an absolute incredible game. I had the best time playing elden ring and horizon simultaneously. What a time to be a gamer 😎

[@jonnyfendi2003]

Still though, the arrogance of Horizons developers to go after Elden Ring when they thought Horizon was gonna be hot shit only to find that everyone was playing Elden Ring

[@libertyprime9307]

personally I got really bored of the first Horizon before long.

[@theartgoose]

finally some positivity, and I fully agree, I love playing both of these games. Sadly people feel like they have to bring one down to let the other shine

[@jonnyfendi2003]

@@theartgoose "Sadly people feel like they have to bring one down to let the other shine"......Who are these people??? Like the developers of Horizon themselves????

[@nottodayimbusy7146]

@@jonnyfendi2003 what do you mean who read the comments

[@nightgoblin29]

It's now 5 months later and I still haven't played Horizon FW because I can't stop playing Elden Ring :) I still don't believe how good that game is for me

[@detectivemadoka69420]

I'm still playing Elden Ring, game is just too good. Funny thing is, i had HZD on PS4, played for a few weeks and traded it for Fallout 3 GOTY edition for Xbox One.

[@angelamengualcortinas3614]

I totally agree on your points. But there's something missing in the equation. Fromsoftware's perspective on releasing their most anticipated game a week later Forbidden West. As a From fan, I was scared they would underperform. Zero Dawn is one of the best, if not the best, new ip seller of all time. It sold 20 million copies (Playstation 4,+PS5,+PC) without being some kind of sequel or homage to other game. That's incredible. Then I saw the numbers of Elden Ring after 3 weeks and I was astonished. I sincerely didn't thought the hype was that big outside of From's community. That just shows the confidence of the studio not only in their product but also in their core fans. I'm pleased that happened, but it sucks that overshadowed a perfectly fine game as Forbidden West. I'm actually really happy about the Horizon games, despite not liking them. I just like when developers create new, original concepts (in this case, Horizon's setting) and get great succes.

[@kriswhite91]

True but a couple things to have in mind. Horizon it’s a PlayStation exclusive in a 116 million console units sold, that was marketed 4 years before its release, Horizon zero dawn had a lot of marketing ads and after 3-4 months dropped in price a lot. I bought mine at 10 dollars with the DlC included. In other hand the only cheap Fromsoftware game that I could buy was Bloodborne and for cheap I mean 10 dollars or so. A side from Bloodborne Fromsoftware games rarely go under 15-20 dollars.

[@TimelessTransience]

@@kriswhite91 It's weird that Bloodborne would be one of the only ones to really go down to that 10 area, given all the rave praise. But that was about where I was able to get it as well. Do you think it is because it is PS exclusive?

[@MattyBudzzz]

@@TimelessTransience maybe bc it's 30 fps and one of the oldest games. Like I love BB I play it once a year for several hours regardless of the fps but the fps is a massive hit when going from 1440p 144hz to 1080p 30hz, it's enormous, but after an hour your eyes adjust. I think that and it's age is reason for the low price. Pretty sure when I bought BB a few years ago it was 20 bucks at eb games in a used bin

[@TimelessTransience]

@@MattyBudzzz In hoping with playstation being down for ports of things like God of War we can see a PC release sometime in the near-ish future.

[@alzris5240]

Fromsoftware probably didnt care because they only aimed at the core fans who, in any situation, would definitely buy a souls game the moment it releases.

[@claytonweaver7335]

Horizon Zero Dawn actually had a really good release date because Breath of the Wild was an exclusive and they needed a counter. That counter wasn't Gravity Rush 2. It was Horizon and it worked out very well. Horizon Forbidden West's release date was just dumb. I think Sony just wanted to get a big title out for the PS5 as soon as possible.

[@loggingoffsao]

@Nick K no its because nintendo shit never goes on sale lol. When theres only one place to play your game you can charge whatever you want

[@amsbeats841]

I think they really underestimated just how big and ubiquitous Elden Ring was going to be. I'm a Fromsoft guy and even I didn't think it would be as big or as good as it is.

[@wizzenberry]

Yet half of my friends list online were playing it? Sony don’t really do dumb mate. Remember this is the company that has been laughing at ms for nearly 10 years now

[@MiTrOn]

Sony choose that date not knowing ER will get delayed again. The problem was that they decided to launch anyway. Probably thinking that ER was going to be a niche game like everybody though, they just didnt count to be so hype by media and broke the barrier from software games had

[@dream8870]

@@wizzenberry laughing at microsoft in what aspect, gaming? Because that’s literally about all, look i’m not meat riding Microsoft, but let’s both be honest with ourselves here, they’re pockets are way to deep to really give a damn about what sony is doing, And xbox is only like a hobby kinda thing if you will, it’s a profit but what microsoft specializes in, sony couldn’t even touch it.

[@lionheart4424]

To be fair in regards of this year releases, FW was delayed first to Feb. 2022, and later ER was also delayed to Feb. 22. Yes, delaying a game is justified when it lacks polish and what not, but multiple delays cost money to everyone starting by you having to make new marketing campaigns for the new release date. As a developer you also have to show you are capable of good resource management and release stuff in time. FW was unlucky enough to compete against a game that carries the legacy and fame of a design philosophy dating back to the first days of the PS3 and that eventually made it to all major platforms (Xbox, PC and even Switch in the case of DSR). NO ONE will set their product to fail on purpose and PlayStation worked heavily in the marketing of FW, they had nor choice nor excuse once the game had gone gold. Of course, now that ER blasted expectations out of the water every major title is being delayed to not compete against it for GOTY.

[@johnhall8116]

Horizon: Zero Dawn was hardly a failure. It sold 10 million copies in its first year. It also feels poorly researched that we didn't bring up Forbidden West had a reverse situation. While it was available on PS4, the performance was much lower and the availability of the PS5 was limited by scalpers and production issues. A large margin of PS5s are being held hostage by second hand sellers meant the number of available buyers was extremely limited. Meanwhile, Elden Ring was available on multiple platforms.

[@Hydra360ci]

lol... I still can't find a PS5.

[@scottdixon2505]

Horizon forbidden west is currently the 3rd best selling game of 2022. So I have no idea why people think it failed just because it came out at the same time as elden ring.

[@theskywalker8416]

@@scottdixon2505 not a failure but ppl just dont talk about it or make content out of it like they did with ER i think ? Ngl, i barely find decent video about HFW when it came out because ppl just care about ER

[@scottdixon2505]

@@theskywalker8416 sure, there's not as much content being made about it. I'm just pointing out that this guy made a whole video to talk about how horizon failed when that couldn't be further from the truth.

[@mysterious___1]

@@theskywalker8416 you barely found a decent video for FW? Sure bud.

[@ko0leA1d]

Dunkey said it better, “Horizon Zero Dawn is remembered as, that game that released before Breath of the Wild, and now Horizon Forbidden West will be remembered as, that game that released before Elden Ring.”

[@thegamersconclave8709]

I fucking LOVE Elden Ring!!

[@BM-wf9uf]

Meh, Elden Ring is overrated. Forbidden West and Elden Ring are NOTHING alike, there is no comparison. Maybe Sony should have allowed a bigger release window between them, but I think Forbidden West will be fine.

[@stefan1360]

Wrong, no one will even remember Horizon lmao

[@BM-wf9uf]

@@stefan1360 cool story bro

[@chaTzon]

Horizon 1 was way better anyway

[@markusjohansson6245]

Tricky situation. They would probably had to delay it until about end of May. I dont know how well games sell in the beginning of summer, I personally tend to play less during this time. Maybe they would had to delay it until autumn which would cost a lot.

[@Maybelater1018]

I think playing/buying a lot of games in summer vs playing less is and adults vs children thing. In summer kids get the most free time they'll have all year while adults are taking advantage of the better weather and outdoor events. But what do I know I live on an island where all year is summer.

[@xtalpax902]

well tlou2 and ghost of tsunami came out in summer,so all depends on the title

[@Ruzzky_Bly4t]

And then in autumn, they wait until Starfield's release.

[@therighttrousers343]

The key point about the springtime launch is the end of the fiscal year, so you can show off to all your shareholders and stakeholders how their investments have paid off.

[@forestchurchill7348]

I spent nearly 2 years trying to get a ps5 for Horizon specifically... and ended up burning through it in excitement to get to Elden Ring.

[@centrevezgaming4862]

With PlayStation 5 the stocks will not get better till 2024 I have seen them in every trade in stores for £689.00 that’s about weeks of saving to afford it.

[@darkhaven9119]

Should do a ng plus to properly enjoy it now

[@DMGamanda]

Horizon series is my favourite (although I’m a massive from soft fan too) and i think it is such a shame that they did this because it is a great game. I bought both Elden Ring and HFW but played HFW first as i had been waiting for the sequel forever. And although i was super excited about Elden Ring i knew that it was going to be 20x bigger than HFW which was other reason played it that way around. But really noticed no-one was playing it on KZbin or streams as waiting for ER. Crazy launch timetable thought it at time and what you have said only confirmed.

[@rjmercer042]

I liked both games finished HFW about a week after ER came out, splitting my time between the two. I will go back and replay HFW once I have had my fill of ER. While they are both "open world" games, they are obviously quite different in playstyle--and I appreciate that. Each has its good and bad points and each is fun in its own way.

[@Angelrat666]

I totally agree. I played and finished both games. Both are awesome and at the same time annoying as hell. Completly diffrent games. To compare them is like to compare Diablo with Skyrim. Doesn't make sense at all. One guy said "Not every game is for everyone" and that's the simple truth. You don't like Horizon or RDR2? Fine, then there are propably not for you.

[@All_Hail_Chael]

I actually prefer HFW... SoulsBorn games just don't do it for me tbh (says the man who played Dark Souls 1, 2 and 3, Sekiro and Elden Ring) Not sure why everyone in the comments is shitting on the game, sure the devs were arrogant but that doesn't make the game bad.

[@whyareyouhere6274]

Gigachad behaviour

[@elisdee1]

I believe Elden Ring did affect HFW, but I dont believe Elden rings success was 100% predictable as Fromsoft does great but never the numbers they got for Elden Ring, they are pretty niche. in my experience I was wanting HFW so badly and had been anticipating its release, I am also a Darksouls fan and ended up getting both games planning on playing HFW first then go onto Elden ring. as soon as Elden Ring was released (I had done about 40 hrs in HFW and LOVING IT) I started it just to check it out before getting back to HFW. WELL 293 hours later I haven't touched HFW and haven't played anything but ELDEN RING. I tried going back to HFW just yesterday but I found myself just playing Elden Ring again in 15 mins. this game has consumed me at work I think about ER and what im going to do when I get home and play. I even stream my PS5 to my MacBook and play it at work too. Elden Ring is a true Masterpiece of game design and aesthetics and also gameplay, its so good its slightly scary...

[@darkodev6961]

EXACTLY, that’s what i was trying to put into words haha. Fromsoft was smaller than many other company’s. I didn’t even know about elden ring, i had only played bloodborn, but my brother preorder it for my birthday

[@SolidShepard]

elden ring was always going to be big. it was not just another souls game. open world and lore written by grrm. it had the core audience, they are a loved and trusted developer by gamers, and the open world also brought in sand box rpg lovers like myself who had never been interested in soulsborne games before. it was obvious it would do gangbusters.

[@ryanvacation7319]

Perhaps this was the mindset of Sony during this time. However For the Soulbourne fan and those following its development , they were expecting ER to be a massive success.

[@Someone-vq6jk]

The only games that was “niche” was dark souls 1 and demon souls

[@nikkospops]

just commented this exact same thing. I still wanna beat Horizon soon lol...one day

[@BabyKrogan]

Honestly I don’t think anyone expected Elden Ring to do so well, especially not other game studios. It was expected to capture a dedicated but niche audience based on previous from software games.

[@leesasuki]

not game studios, but the super high salary marketing/operation team hired by Sony, they should know or at least, worry about it

[@joaolima9622]

It won the "most anticipated game" award twice, one of these when the only thing we had was the reveal trailer.

[@malum9478]

yeah no. everyone expected it to do pretty well. it's been a focus of major hype for years and had mfing george rr martin on the project. major news publications were reporting on it and projected sales had always been high. bloodeborne? now that was a shock. that surprised everyone. but ever since then it's been well understood that fromsoft is an A-lister to pay attention to.

[@owen3666]

Each game sells millions and more than the last They're always on the front page of utube when they're new They get long-lasting support Why tf do people think it's niche

[@Liaret]

Well, now due to leaks we know Forbidden West cost Sony not just TENS of millions, but 212 mil.

[@andrewog3516]

bro u know elden ring cost around the same as that right lol

[@i.antagonist]

As an exclusively PC gamer i'm still really looking forward to playing Horizon. Will definitelly buy it when they port it. Not sure how big the market is on that front, but maybe they can get a decent sales boost.

[@ziploc2000]

I'm also a PC gamer, played ZD after having seen it reviewed and played online and enjoyed it. I could get ER now, but am holding off until it goes on sale or I run out of other un-played games I already have in my library. FW seems to have a few issues with contrived puzzles, hit boxes and enemies hitting you early or late when they shouldn't be able to which affects combat. I may get it if it gets to the PC AND goes on sale, but from reviews I've seen it feels like a rushed and flawed DLC for ZD.

[@TheMrCHELL]

Since FW flopped we won't see a third game. Maybe Guerrilla will need to close it's doors. Enjoy the next 10 or more Souls-like games made by Miyazaki, since that is what makes people happy. The End.

[@JackChop]

@@TheMrCHELL it has 20 million not much compared to elden ring but i think we will be seeing a 3rd

[@cbriggs1986]

@@TheMrCHELL it hasn’t flopped 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@TeraIsGaming]

Here's my take. I've played both games. I could barely bring myself to play HFW even after I've finished it. It's honestly annoying how HFW literally tells you where to go, what to do, what you should do every few seconds or minutes. I want to say for a game that's released for teens, it sure does make you feel like a baby. It does look amazing, not gonna lie. Then I played Elden Ring. 2nd Souls game that I've played. 1st one being DS2. I never finished it sadly since I was still young during that console generation. Out of all 19 PS4 and PS5 games I owned that time, Elden Ring was the only game that I finished 3 times. It was just a much better experience to the point that it made me consider getting the older FromSoft games once I catch a break from work. Maybe I'm just getting old but open world games nowadays feel way too oversaturated. BotW reignited my passion to play video games and Elden Ring made me feel that once more. Both of those games just felt way too natural for me. I'm sure there are a few who agree with me and some don't for sure. In the end, this is my experience from playing both games. It's just my opinion and I hope everyone can understand that.

[@industrialvibes3064]

The Horizon franchise is tailor made for a particular audience looking for a more casual, cinematic experience. There's nothing wrong with that especially considering how hugely successful the first game was and to change that formula to appeal to the more hardcore gamer crowd would've been a mistake

[@disastrous_ad8686]

I completely agree with you.

[@Coolguy98765]

You can turn off a lot of the handholding features in HFW now. I have my game set to Ultra Hard with a minimalist HUD, and the quest markers set to explore mode.

[@RealLifeAlias]

No i disagree, this is not your opinion.

[@EternalNightingale]

I’m loving HFW so far only halfway through after beating HZD with the ps5 patch, not into soulsborne games just not my style of gameplay but it does look cool

[@fupoflapo2386]

Peach fuzz

[@NotAGoodUsername360]

The name Horizon is especially poignant because it always appears when a meteoric impact on the game industry is on the horizon.

[@andrewaroiu]

It's so true it makes me feel bad, cause I loved Zero Dawn and yet forgot about Forbidden West as soon as Elden Ring popped up :)

[@galacticspecter4364]

Horizon 3 is going launch a week before GTA6

[@lyttlefat3393]

I totally love Horizon Forbidden West and I thought this will be goty for me but I changed my mind after finished Elden ring.

[@mateusgreenwood1096]

The Horizon games make me upset, they have a humongus budget yet they lack anything in the sort of creativity: They "borrow" so many mobility, level, skills, stealth and enemy bases from Asscreed and Far Cry and become dull and repetitive, they also "borrow" so much in the form of dialogue from the Witcher 3 like the conversation progress (sadly no option to play gwent) and choices but then no choices have any influence in the story. Then there's the characters, who speak like average everyday sardonic americans, despite the setting no one developed other languagues, accents or idioms. I'm not surprised no one was talking about FW because despite being a decent game theres just nothing to discuss.

[@firefoxriouyh6541]

That's why Elden Ring is better. Even the dialogue in Elden Ring has this rich mysticism throughout the game. And there's Horizon Forbidden West, it's very generic. It lacks mysteries and magic. Machines are cool but eventually its loses novelty.

[@AtLeastTryALittle]

I just finished a platinum trophy on HFW last night playing on very hard. I bought ER the day it came out. Really want to play it and now that I finished HFW I'm ready. HFW was amazing and you should all play it and I recommend harder difficulties and deep dives into the world and narrative. Worth it

[@thestingray5643]

I honestly was never interested in BOTW or elden ring. I ended up enjoying both horizon games though.

[@mahirhunt117]

that's so sad man

[@Maniacsurvivor]

You're missing out.

[@Rexcarsalot]

Honestly I agree with you. I loved Horizon Zero Dawn. The only reason I haven't played Horizon Forbidden West is because I don't have a PS5 and there's no PC port. I didn't buy Elden Ring either and don't plan on doing so any time soon.

[@BLP04]

@@Rexcarsalot you’re missing out

[@Rexcarsalot]

@@BLP04 I'm just not a huge fan of From software games. They're too dark and depressing on top of being difficult. Real life is dark, depressing and difficult already. Why would I want that in a video game I play for fun?

[@claytonreardon42069]

I absolutely loved HZD. I played it when it came out on PC. I really loved the story. Absolutely fascinating concept for a story line with the post-post-apocolypse thing. The gameplay was amazing too. Anytime I'd try to walk somewhere I'd end up getting caught up fighting some packs of robots just because it was so fun to do. The world design also just blew me away aesthetically as well. It was so beautiful and really had its own unique look to it. Really loved that game. Very excited to play HFW too. Unfortunately I'll probly have to wait another few years for it to release on PC as well. Been playing Elden Ring right now but you can bet it if HFW was available on PC it would be my next in line.

[@sensoeirensen]

Yeah same most of us have no PS5 but a PC so the decision was very easy.

[@nyxknight7555]

@@sensoeirensen lol 😂 exactly what I did was trying to get a ps5 but wasn’t able to so got a decent laptop for me

[@Korilian13]

I'm playing HFW on PS4 and while I'm sure it would look even better on PS5, I'm blown away by how amazing it looks. And that's a regual PS4 too!

[@TheMrCHELL]

Since FW flopped we won't see a third game. Maybe Guerrilla will need to close it's doors. Enjoy the next 10 or more Souls-like games made by Miyazaki, since that is what makes people happy. The End.

[@ni5zeroichi207]

@@TheMrCHELL stop spamming that salty ass comment everywhere damn

[@ELdASenSei]

Elden Ring is a BEAST of a title

[@jenniferslattery2270]

What’s wild is I was one of those Zelda fans, still am. Been playing since ‘98… yet horizon now site as my second all time favorite series ever. To anyone who hasn’t played this game, you are missing out.

[@wysteriousmimic1402]

Meh. Probably to you, but for anyone who's already played tons of open world games? It's nothing new on the table. It's the same old copy pasted open world game with mediocre story. Nothing new. Points of interest there, main quest marker in there, cutscene in that, blah blah blah.

[@Omegon8536]

you are not, it's mediacre trash.

[@buennabus527]

@@wysteriousmimic1402 calling the story mediocre is super harsh. It's well written, thought-provoking and well-delivered (admittedly first game does a better job with that imo). Agree about generic open world playstyle mind

[@slendermansrevenant1875]

@@wysteriousmimic1402 Lol your comment just proved you haven't played the game at all. Horizon has one of the best, most immersive and well thought out storyline in the last decade with almost zero plot holes and incorporated tragedy in a very unique way on the done to death post apocalyptic world and this is coming from someone who has been playing rpg and open world games exclusively for almost two decades. There are so many instances where Horizon deviates from generally overused tropes (the deaths of certain characters in the proving for example if you know whom I'm talking about) and gives no plot armour to the companions unlike most other games. From the things you've written, it seems like you didn't enjoy the gameplay aspect and that's totally fine but don't go around spreading misinformation about the amazing storyline and turning away potential gamers. Maybe you need to try outside the genre because it seems like you have a problem with the genre itself because most open world games have these elements so if you're telling me you hated Horizon but love other open world games with the same mechanics, you're a hypocrite. If it were generic game (spoilers ahead!), it would've been about Elisabet Sobeck saving the world, not our world literally getting destroyed and half of Elisabet's efforts going to waste with Hades going rogue and forcing Gaia to destroy itself

[@rhysharrison1595]

Man I can’t wait for horizon 3, it’s so exciting thinking about the flawed masterpiece that will over shadow it.

[@alenezi989a3]

When a game wins "most anticipated game" award maybe it's smart to delay whatever game you're releasing for a month or two, in this case I don't think a month would've been enough. My collector's edition of Horizon is still sealed, I mainly orderd it because of the giant fucking Mammoth robot which is awesome, but in all honesty I didn't enjoy the first Horizon game all that much because it reminded so much of the Ubisoft Assasin creed open world trash formula, it's fun to go against all the amazing robo dinos but other than that not much is interesting, however souls games are by far the most fun I had playing video games Elden Ring promised all that in a huge open I took a week off for it's release and couldn't start playing soon enough. Ofcourse it surpassed all my expectations.

[@HandsomeGamerGuy]

The simplicity is nice, you can just frick off and do your own Stuff in Elden Ring no Hand holding after beating the legendary unbeatable Soldier of Godrick. After this the only Thing in the Game that stops you, are Enemys smacking you alot harderif you go to the "nono" areas. On top of it all beside like ONE Area were you have to beat two Bosses to enter it, the game is just open. Then on the other Hand you got AC Valhala or HFW / HZD, HURR DURR your Level is to low, play this Story mission first to get cool gimmick. I might have to add that i have every single AC Game and finished them all.

[@ianhruday9584]

The biggest innovation in Forbidden West is there side quests. It's much better than copy-paste Ubisoft stuff. They still have Rebel camps (which is very AC), but I don't think the franchises are comparable.

[@ML-yn9yu]

@@ianhruday9584 you can tell the people who didn't actually play HZD. plus to compare a story based game to a game witha barely there story where the main draw is the challenge... is stupid.

[@itsaUSBline]

I personally thought Horizon had some of the best writing I had seen in a game in some time. I agree the ubisoft open-world formula is rather stale, though, and I never actually finished the game. But the gameplay itself was pretty fun, and it had some seriously great writing, especially the character writing. I feel like Horizon would work better as a more linear narrative experience without all the open-world bloat tacked onto it.

[@zac-1]

The game will still sell millions of copies just like the first one and Gamers will still act like it's a flop because youtubers and streamers arent talking about it 24/7 lmao

[@EthanRadell]

Elden Ring is so popular you would need a game as big as world of warcraft or call of duty in their prime to outsell it in that short of a time. It's absolutely insane and as a fan of FromSoft since DS1, they deserve it more than any other studio that exists. Hands down. ER is definitely one of the best games ever made.

[@steff97official]

what makes it so good? never played it so just asking

[@EthanRadell]

@@steff97official that's like asking someone what water tastes like when you've never had it. Just play it m8, it's good.

[@kingcraftbruh]

@@steff97official it's the gameplay that people liked about fromsoftware games, the difficulty of their games, and elden ring is also fromsoftware's first open world game and they did a fantastic job to take their current style of games and make it into an open world game

[@steff97official]

@@EthanRadell this makes no sense lol and it’s not an answer to my question

[@steff97official]

@@kingcraftbruh but the ganeplay seems worse that any Ubisoft game tho? like is there a story, quests, anything to do? cause to me it seems like you only fight bosses and that’s it

[@amineguts8612]

I genuinely didn't wanted that to happen to HFW but hell no, releasing next to a game from the COLOSSAL Studio FromSoftware is pure boldness. Even if it wasn't Elden Ring, it will indeed get overshadowed just for the simple fact that Miyazaki is the director. He is just THAT good!

[@RazorNivekUltimate9000]

Lol for me Horizon Zero dawn forbidden west won 👍

[@alexwilliams4729]

When did from software become colossal? There games are PS3 good.

[@utisti4976]

@@alexwilliams4729 Fromsoft was a decently good dev until Dark Souls came out. At that point, they became a huge underdog until Bloodborne came out. Now they've been releasing Rockstar quality hits after hits nonstop. PS3 good? In terms of graphics, maybe, but for everything else Fromsoft is the peak of what gaming has to offer.

[@dantefromdevilmaycry9857]

@@alexwilliams4729 I mean the PS3 era is the Golden Age of Modern Gaming so you're kinda praising Fromsoft no matter what even PS2 era is largely considered better than today.. well at least you tried.

[@koberyan2880]

ΛutistiЄ Peak of gaming? Not even close. From Software fan boys really be on that copium.

[@steampunkwardyn]

This happened with a game called Resonance of Fate, too. It released around the same time Final Fantasy 13 did, and FF 13 just completely ran it over, despite being a fantastic game.

[@Theendgamelv3]

Interesting enough, HFW has moved up on the UK charts for May 7th to 3rd and it is being speculated that it is due to more PS5s being in stock. Seems like the GT7 and HFW are being helped by PS5s being more in stock as those games are selling more better in the UK. Don't know how well that translates to sales outside of the UK, but maybe HFW has more life than it seems.

[@KABLAMMATS]

They should move hfw to pc

[@Theendgamelv3]

@@KABLAMMATS They probably will sometime late 2023

[@meltedcheese857]

Horizon didn't sell badly at all. It was the third biggest ps5 game to launch to date and it remained in the top 10 games sold of 2022 for a good amount of time (it was 4th best for a week or so). Just because elden ring sold well people think forbidden west was a flop when it wasn't

[@jackplisken4738]

how many People in Uk some 60 + Million? why is Uk market important , count EU Sales not just Sales in a small Country

[@Stormwave6]

@@jackplisken4738 it's because game retailers make sales numbers public in the UK. The don't in other parts of Europe

[@alexandervowles3518]

It doesn't help that the lead character looks like Niko Avocado

[@ytbubble]

Bruh, lmao

[@Empireo_sebastian]

So Elden Ring put Sony's foolish ambitions to rest? I'll see myself out

[@HiroyaFujimiya]

Foul Sony; caught off by the Elden Ring ; emboldened by greed and ambition ; Someone must extinguish thy greed.

[@jakejackson8234]

I pre-ordered horizon and played the crap out of it in the week between the release of elden ring.. wasn't anticipating ER that much at all, my friend is a long time souls fan so he picked it up day 1 and I ended up getting it day 1 as well, played ER for a literal month straight. Haven't picked up poor old horizon again. It was truly overshadowed.

[@markgujelde5900]

The FACT that horizon faded into obscurity after elden ring dropped says a lot about its impact.

[@brandonwrussell]

I played it until elden ring came out, and I enjoyed it. But Elden takes the cake. I’m fixing to plat, then I’m going to back to Horizon but I’m kinda nervous lmao

[@Mojavekight17]

Titan fall2

[@albeon81]

@@brandonwrussell same here. I said to myself that I was going to finish horizon first. Then I played elden ring on launch night at midnight. Haven’t opened another game since then. I have 300 hours in elden ring.

[@MrBazBake]

It's still at the top of the sales charts. Obscurity is a stretch.

[@SuperMurray2009]

That is simple because while Horizon is a RPG it's not near as many ways to play Horizon as Elden Ring obviously. There is an incredible amount to unlock. Such as weapons, armors, and powers. Also it's a pretty obvious trend on the internet that happens everytime a Souls game is released. Its something which I like to call "Watch me Rage!" This is where people will make videos upon videos of them raging hard at the sheer difficulty of playing a Souls Game. It's the exact reason Sekiro was trending so hard on its release. Compilation behind compilation of people being manhandled by that annoying fucking Ogre.

[@TheWOLF1201]

Just when you think there isn't a good reviewer left on KZbin I find this golden channel. Fuckin subbbed 💪💪

[@ShadowFlame420]

i actually chose horizon over elden ring and then i wanted to jump back into cyberpunk so i still haven't even bought elden ring yet

[@devanmcghee6123]

I like horizon better, the other takes too long and combat is as boring if not worse to me than horizon is. Horizon's combat is simple as well and both rely on you just not getting hit, but at least I don't have to grind for over 70 hours to finish the main quest

[@EldenRingStreams]

My condolences

[@chrimbus3442]

As much as I love elden ring (180 hours so far) im sick of every gaming channel sucking it off all the time. Its a fantastic game possibly even a revolutionary game, but its not the be all end all of gaming. There are different genres with equally good games. I dont know why were comparing these two game besides they came out the same week. Should we compare a peppa pig game to whatever AAA game released alongside it? Would anyone care that COD sold 20 million more copies then a random childrens game? Idk man im so done with the way gamers/nerd culture feels the need to compare and contrast everything.

[@devanmcghee6123]

@@chrimbus3442 I feel you on that first part, it happens in every aspect of society now. I'm pretty afraid that Elder Scrolls 6 will be the same way as Elden ring was. And honestly, it'll "deserve" it but it'll be talked about all the time as soon as they release a trailer for it and until the game finally comes out

[@Nunya310]

@@devanmcghee6123 fr 😆

[@atquinn1975]

I bought HFW and Elden Ring on day one. Haven't touched HFW since I started playing Elden Ring (on NG+4 now). I like the plot and characters in HFW but it's going to be hard to go back to it after Elden Ring. Will probably give it another shot after VRR support is patched in.

[@alexandernilssonmusic]

Same here.

[@Pontif11]

I just don't like buying many games because i don't like spent money picking up dust on a shelf. I was exited for both games so i picked which one to play now based on which i figured would go on sale first.

[@tomsin1417]

same

[@StayFractalesque]

unfortunately, like most cross gen titles, it's more HZD 1.5 than what i imagined a true sequel should be.. especially for my favorite science fiction tale of all time, the first HZD..

[@Lunk42]

@@StayFractalesque I think it's much worse I didn't play the game cause I don't intend to but I watched the cut scenes and imo its waaaaaay worse than zero dawn. Took a harrowing story of humanity's attempt to bring itself back after death and turned it into a "we can beat the bad guys with the power of friendship" kinda story. Because frankly if the modern day humans of zd couldn't beat the faro plague what chance do these tribal humans have against something that's even worse? It just jumped a shark way too massive for me to like. It would have been better for the faro plague to remain the main major threat of the in game world.

[@dstaceywassup7778]

I bought horizon forbidden west with the intention of buying elden ring on release day as well. I'm one of those guys who needs to finish one game before I move on to the next one. I was playing horizon every single day but when Elden ring came out a week after I had to try it. Kept telling myself I needed to beat horizon first but then couldn't put Elden ring down and now horizon is still sitting there half finished and I just don't want to jump into it again lol

[@JonBlack413]

Here’s a crazy idea, play one game at a time. 🙄

[@dumbdumb3328]

I feel like this game is somehow underrated. In my opinion it's a game that deserves to be played, especially if you want to experience what current gen games and consoles have to offer. Combat is amazing (not melee tho) the 360 audio is better than ever, the dual sense controller adds so much to the experience, and the visuals are the best in any videogame ever.

[@SolProxy]

Guys, Luke isn't saying Horizon failed completely, he's saying it got over-shadowed completely by Elden Ring. Also to those who say why compare them? Well even a Horizon dev got butthurt over Elden Ring's success and dissed it on Twitter. So go tell them that first.

[@unicorntomboy9736]

I wasn't interested in Elden Ring

[@thesquirtof8759]

@@unicorntomboy9736 I can sorta tell from your profile picture

[@unicorntomboy9736]

@@thesquirtof8759 How

[@1kbmahan]

@@thesquirtof8759 you pulled gamer racism for no reason

[@bazel_007_]

@@unicorntomboy9736 gt7 one of the worst racing game i ever played i wasted my 70 dollars

[@spaghettichild4335]

It's nearly like every time a horizon game releases it's a deadline to release an incredible open world game with genre defining gameplay to release in the same month with a big company behind it

[@xxkonshixx8041]

great and interesting video played the first horizon and liked it. playing elden ring though.... man that ignited my gamer heart like no other game did for a long time. got the platinum.... then played bloodborne again to get the platinum and now i'm soon finished with the platinum for Sekiro. i love the games of From Software so much. I dont think i can enjoy games like Horizon anymore so i will skip Forbidden West but I'm interested in your critique.

[@mrdee2454]

It fantastic game though and can easy sink 50-70 hours in to completion

[@introduction1266]

your loss. all because of a freakin souls game lol.

[@xxkonshixx8041]

@@mrdee2454 yeah i totally believe that its a great game

[@xxkonshixx8041]

@@introduction1266 its not really a loss if i would not enjoy playing it. its just not for me anymore because i prefer game design like From Sofware does it.

[@chillhour6155]

Souls games have spoiled other games for me, can't really play anything else unless the story and or characters are brilliantly written in other games

[@gootchimus]

I'm still planning on getting FW later when I can afford to but elden ring is so much fun. My first play thru was over 100 hours, worth every penny I paid for the game. I rarely feel like I got my money's worth out of games these days but from delivered.

[@PersianGamer36]

I’ve been into horizon but man the second talked waaaaaay toooo much totally killed it for me

[@Ptolemy336VV]

I finished HFW. It was incredible. It's absolutely incredible. I platinumed both games. Elden ring too. Elden ring may be as good or slight better. But we talk about 2 really great games

[@doidoi8544]

I love both games and hate how Horizon has been overshadowed twice by huge titles.

[@Shawsh2143]

The first game was good and it could hold its own against Zelda but the second one simply got lazy and not only got overshadowed by the Elden Ring Hype but also the sheer genre defining quality that it brought to the table when it released. The Horizon developers suffer from having an old, uninspired, ubisoft-style open world approach with a million markers on the map and hundreds of boring and useless fetch side quests. They even had Far Cry-style crafting where you have to kill animals for their hides. This is a game about monstrous animal machines and they want you to kill rabbits. The strong point of the first Horizon were the machines. They needed to double down on those. Yet half of them are copied over and the other few new ones aren't as exciting. Not having flying unlocked way earlier is what put the final nail in the coffin for Horizon. It didn't try anything new and it relied on the success of the first game too much. While I loved the first game and was excited for the second installment, ultimately I am glad I chose Elden Ring over FW and I think the publishers and (head) developers of FW deserved this situation for they could have made their product better or not be as arrogant as they were as to release one week before a new FromSoft title .

[@thefiercedruid]

@@Shawsh2143 sorry but have you played any of the two titles? Because if you had you would now that the crafting isn't new , they eveolved most of the ingame contant to some degree from the first game(so i don't now where the lazy comes from) and the mapmarkes are just a lazy excuse for liking one style better than the other. I truly do not understand why you and so many other Elden Ring fans feel the need to trash a so inferior, lazy game to make elden ring look better. Elden Ring is great let it speak for itself. HFW is great let it spek for itself and just let the people enjoy the gema they like there is no right or wrong about this. People have diffent priorites in games which incline them towards one or the other so taste you can't argue about.

[@Shawsh2143]

@@thefiercedruid I have played both which is the only reason I voice my opinion. Many Horizon fans think it only wasn't received well because the Big Bad Elden Ring was mean and overshadowed it. I'm just saying that Elden Ring is a superior entertainment product objectively and it fully deserves the praise it gets while Horizon is just an average continuation of a good first game. Horizon 2 had a lot of potential but the devs are either lazy or wanted to play it safe. That's arguably worse than making a bad game. Great potential for the IP but very weak execution. Literally the only expectation I had for Horizon 2 was being able to use flying mounts and they do give them but essentially only when the game is about to end. That's playing it safe and not trying to innovate. This is only one of many criticisms I have for the game. Map markers aren't a "style" they're a video game design relic and should only be used sparingly by the game itself or allow the player so set them themselves. Bombarding the UI with a million markers is lazy, period. And I know the crafting isn't new, I was even saying how bad it was that they make you kill non-robot animals when the identity of the game revolves around the robots. That crafting "style" already existed in Far Cry and Red Dead, it's nothing new. It's lazy. If you can't see this then honestly you just have bad taste in video games and that's fine. Elden Ring on the other hand puts any open world game that has come before it to absolute shame. Elden Ring is so impactful that gaming history could be split into "before ER" and "after ER". This game shows the industry that Assassin's Creed every year is not the best we can and should be able to expect. And Horizon, with it's second game, is walking towards Assassin's Creed status and away from a good open world like Elden Ring. There's more I could say but I'm getting bored of this.

[@Gatsu8601]

@@Shawsh2143 In Horizon there are tribal communities, it is normal that animals must also be hunted as technology and human knowledge had to start from scratch..

[@battlep0t]

@@Shawsh2143 I couldn't disagree with you more. The second game is a big improvement in the first one for me. Better worldbuilding, they fixed the facial animations which was the biggest complaint of Zero Dawn, side quests felt like they had a bit more effort put into and a lot of quality of life improvements like the flying mount, changes to crafting, more ammo types etc. Only real complaint is the map felt a big too big and they could've trimmed it down.

[@reidsimpson4213]

This was made even funnier when the piles of salt that were once the devs of this game got on Twitter to talk shit about Elden Ring. Literally seething.

[@joedatius]

literally one dev on their own time said anything about Elden Ring and they don't represent and entire studio of people. stop fucking acting like a teenage girl spreading drama from twitter its fucking sad. imagine someone shitting on you because your co-worker said something stupid on twitter. yeah sounds fucking dumb doesn't it? literal cancel culture logic here kid

[@zecikk_5651]

Proof?

[@pedoslayer275]

@@zecikk_5651 living under a rock?

[@undary0u]

Personally think Sony would've actually generated more hype against elden ring if horizon wasn't exclusive for example if you had the ps store on pc similar to how to how Xbox does it horizon wouldve generated more hype as it wouldve been more accessible to the wider demographic

[@MrLightlike78]

This a thousand times this. Microsoft is killing it with their overall attitude being we don't care where you play it. Sony just doesn't have Microsoft pockets. I guess there is a game pass like thing for Sony coming down the pipe. Which is good, but i don't think it's going to beat gamepass by any means.

[@goudenso8618]

Tbh i think sony realises this, but they want to take it slowly so as not to anger the fanboys, which i dont know how many of the ps owners are toxic fanboys, but they must be an important percentage for sony to be taking it so slow

[@christoferrage]

@@MrLightlike78 yeah but Xbox is wack because if your internet goes out or if Xbox is down for whatever reason you can’t even play games you purchased on their storefront. Not very consumer friendly in that regard. PS at least you can play any game you’ve purchased even without internet….except the new gran turismo lol

[@wizzenberry]

No lol, games are Sony’s strong point; ms doesn’t have this they are using it to there advantage. What you do it announce a sequel, release the original on pc and the hype shifts units. It’s pretty simple really. Plus 3 of my mates have played (old) playstation games on pc, realises pc games are mostly trash in the single player area in comparison and got a ps5. Go learn about business or something

[@mickeyhage]

@@MrLightlike78 I wish I could swap between playing HFW on the TV and on my desktop or steam deck.

[@dfchang813]

I was one of the odd people who bought Horizon Forbidden West day one and never bought Elden Ring. Ironically I never played Zero Dawn because I was completely engrossed in Breath of the Wild and after spending 700 plus hours on that game was sorta burned out on video games for awhile after. I actually watched a 6.5 hr movie/recap on KZbin to prep for Forbidden West. After starting I really fell in love with the game and am still filling out the edges of a “perfect game” 225 hours later. I’m all that time I was never tempted to buy or play Elden Ring despite all the hype and rave reviews. But I’m not a huge Souls fan. The only game I maxed out was the PS5 exclusive remake of Demon’s Souls by Bluepoint. So for me I might be one of the rare people who will have played Forbidden West and skipped Elden Ring.

[@mattsreptileroom]

I haven't played elden really ring yet. I don't like the other fromsoft games so I'm not in a hurry. I loved HFW tho

[@toledochristianmatthew9919]

Elden ring and Horizon are both fantastic don't be discouraged in trying both out.

[@theinternetsightseer2935]

@ashy Says you.

[@toledochristianmatthew9919]

@ashy or maybe it is just a good game and people are having fun with it despite its flaws? I don't like FW but that doesn't mean i will dismiss the success it had and the people who enjoy it. Pls don't be a prick just because a game is successful and competing with others or if others had found more enjoyment in playing it than you. Heck i have seen new people getting into Souls games actually liking Elden Ring and want to try out other Souls games. I am happy there are more single player games like elden ring and FW than just live service garbage.

[@EternalNightingale]

Tried getting into BB and demon souls remake couldn’t do it I got so bored real quick and dying just to restart all over again just not my cup of tea, ER looks okay but really not remotely interested in playing it myself I just watched Uberhaxornova play the game cause dude is utterly hilarious no matter what he plays,ima just go back and explore RDR2 still in chapter 2💀✌🏽

[@magilas8485]

Even I got swept by Elden Ring. I was waiting for this one to drop but instead chose to take a risk with the Soulsbourne series (I only played Nioh series in this genre). It really wasabad timing 🤣

[@ulrichleukam1068]

He believes people will either get HFW or ER, at the end of the day it does not matter. Dying Light 2 which released on the 4. Febuary aready sold 5mil copies while competing with other AAA games and being non-existent in conversation. People will still play HFW even after completing ER. I personally have both copies for PS5, but started with ER due to HFW having bugs at launch which could affect my enjoyment of the world and story

[@taitcarrillo8926]

Horizon is super fun. I really like the franchise. I hope they keep making them despite the trend of it being overshadowed.

[@MrBazBake]

Honestly, I enjoy Elden Ring's world more and I'm still playing it, but I would rather a sequel to Forbidden West come out first. It creates a character and world I actually care about on a personal level while Elden Ring is more a beautiful work composed of dense, lovely ambient details and a decent enough combat system that really gets in the way of the actual good part... the world design. But I admit that Elden Ring really scratches an exploration itch I'd been missing for a while

[@toledochristianmatthew9919]

One thing I personally like elden ring over games like Horizon is that it doesn't constantly bog you down constant annoying dialogue and bland characters. Outside of Aloy I felt no connection to the characters because they don't do much or so very bland and dont offer personality which is a problem Guerilla has had since their Resistance games. In elden ring, I felt more attached to characters like Blaidd, Roderika, Hewg, Alexander, Ranni, etc. Despite the limited lines the VAs put so much passion in their deliveries that it makes them so memorable. The stories and journies they go through and the choices you make that could affect them is what makes Elden ring feel more lively than Horizon. Even boss characters like Radahn have so much backstory and the games spends time to hype you up before facing them. The emptiness of Redmane castle as you draw closer to it and hear the chanting of Radahn's soldiers and you meet fellow friends and other champions ready to take on Radahn. That is where I realize that Radahn was not a monster but a hero who suffered long enough that needs to be put to rest. It is stuff like that makes Elden ring more intriguing that it makes me want to know these characters more. Horizon though has so much expostion but most of it is pointless and does little in actually developing these characters and I honestly wished it could have been better. I love the concept of Horizon's world but it's characters don't live up to it.

[@toledochristianmatthew9919]

@@princeofsaucethe1st993 You are really underestimating the interest the souls community has with the lore. I mean you skipped a lot of the dialogue and it is your problem since it seems you aren't interested in the story. The way souls games tell their story isn't for everyone. And where do you think Vaati gets his research. It is not only him who is piecing the story but everyone else. That is what makes he lore of souls game unique. It is the interactions and collaborations in the community that makes Souls games unique and it allows us to come up with our conclusion and when it finally clicks it gives an aha moment when figure out the puzzle. Honestly I wish they give the main MC the ability to speak like in Sekiro. This is an RPG after all and there are a lot of moments where you will miss interesting stuff on your first run based on your choices. From Soft isn't Square Enix where you have to read dozens of novels to understand the game (I am looking at you FF15 and Drakengard 3). The entirety of the lore is in the game for you to discover and come up to your own conclusions. Well it depends upon you if you think the story sucks but to the rest of us it is what we like about these games.

[@fatboyRAY24]

@@princeofsaucethe1st993 definitely gotta agree with you on this one. But if you're masochistic enough to fully playthrough a souls game in the first place, I think enduring the lore would be considered a well earned break lol

[@leagueofdead569]

@@princeofsaucethe1st993 if you really don't want to read the lore, watch a video on it or something. I like story driven games but sometimes I like a game that actually lets you play for 5 minutes without interrupting you with cutscenes.

[@fupoflapo2386]

@@fatboyRAY24 I remember being like you.

[@deschain1910]

I'm not sure a big single-console exclusive could ever possibly stand up against even an equally big multi-platform release, much less an even larger release like Elden Ring. I guess Sony knows more about the numbers than I do, and there are other benefits to single-console exclusives (like the studio being able to specialize in developing for a single console), but I've been really questioning the wisdom of exclusives even from a purely selfish perspective for a publisher...

[@christophealexander3262]

Hzd series cant even compete with elden ring.. it was an enjoyable but cliche open world Ubisoft game

[@Jason-..-]

@@christophealexander3262 way whatever you say souls fanboy. Keep playing your boring ps3 looking elden ring, while people with actual brains play a worthy title such as horizon

[@LeonidasMclovin]

Both Companies produced wonderful games that can be enjoyed for hours and hours. Just appreciate the fact that both games came out relatively polished and Played great on day 1.

[@HelderCH]

Agreed. Got the platinum in HFW after anticipating it since the reveal, and now I'm having a blast with ER. This comment is too far down.

[@N5FX]

That's what a loser would say "there's no medals because everybody is a winner" NO elden ring brutally annihilated horizon and that's a fact. If it was the other way around you wouldn't be saying this because you're a sony pony

[@blazingtimeblazer9004]

Finally a place where I don’t feel attacked for liking HFW. Considering they’re different games with their straights and weaknesses.

[@Omegon8536]

@@blazingtimeblazer9004 it's crap and you are hurting the videogame industry by endorsing it.

[@ndl0857]

@@blazingtimeblazer9004 horizon sucks

[@jeremiaha5167]

Elden Ring did what Witcher 3 did in 2015. Embarrassed the competition and showed how a game can be made to the highest of standards

[@joedatius]

how? other games have always done well and succeeded on their own.

[@SK_Falchion]

I never could get into Horizon as much as I tried. Something about that game just turns me off

[@davidrobinson17]

Same here, I started it tried It. And I kept saying I was gunna play it.

[@varno6793]

Its beautiful and well-built, high-polish, big-budget... but also dull and bland (if even bloated) in many areas.

[@daanduijkers4845]

I think the problem is that the developers try to tell a character-driven story while that is not what players find appealing about the game. What draws in people are the machines and the setting!

[@MikeMessiah]

its just another ubisoft simulator to me. Doesn't interest me at all. ive played the first part, Zero Dawn

[@mronesuit]

Its almost as if Sony went in to a Soulsborne boss and said to themselves, "Yep! This should be easy!" Only to get one shotted at the start. I'm looking at you, Malenia!

[@shreksmeatballs9435]

Don't think they went past the Tree Sentinel actually lmao.

[@FS-me8mj]

blade of miquella, now rot!

[@moonmoon2479]

Let’s be honest, Malenia is a bad boss.

[@sludgewave4786]

@@moonmoon2479 I don't think so. I thought it was a really good boss and I beat her in NG+6 lately. It's a really good fight, and yes you have to anticipate waterfowl dance a little bit, but once you get good with it, you can evade it everytime.

[@akishorekumarr]

@@moonmoon2479 It's not a bad boss per se. I would say it just needs some adjustments in the Waterfowl dance attack to make it possible for at least Mid rolls to dodge. Otherwise it is a great boss.

[@toomanylies7716]

As a side note, you can see Zero Dawn is like 4 or 5 on that chart, probably because they saw a highly touted sequel coming out to a game they never played, meaning Forbidden West's numbers will grow as people finish the first and grab the second. When it's all said and done I think Forbidden West will enjoy good sales to the point of what they were hoping for. Hell, Forbidden West was still number 3 on the chart, so it was still selling.

[@namelesshunter4714]

true forbidden west is not multiplatform game but still in the top 3 charts i can say the games sales really well.

[@Yggdrasil42]

You're saying it's a long tail game?