Why humans won against neanderthals | Yuval Noah Harari and Lex Fridman

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Full podcast episode: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5XIY6RtfKt2qNk Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzbin.info Guest bio: Yuval Noah Harari is a historian, philosopher, and author of Sapiens, Homo Deus, 21 Lessons for the 21st Century, and Unstoppable Us.

[@faroukabdellah4216]

Hi Lex, this video shows again how much fundamentally igbnorant you are ! You're mostly an ignorant right winger ! Why ? Coz : 1- Neanderthal is/was a branch of Humanity. 2- Neanderthal are a branch of the Sapiens Family and this branch is called Homo Sapiens Neanderthalensis. 3- We didn't win over them, we married them, interbred with them and we have 20% of their maternal DNA in our genes currently. At least for those who are not from sub-saharian african. 4-Homo Sapiens Neanderthalensis disappeared coz we ABSORBED them. We had too much sex with them whenever we met and we just absorbed them. 5- Neanderthals are among our ancestors. My Gosh ! Please get the right informations ! You sound ignorant each time !

[@RS-oq4wu]

Clearly humans are the best survivors. Our only competitors are microbial.

[@neshetsenol1163]

"We fight over stories" is a very psychedelically refreshing way to look at things.

[@wackyruss]

Yep! We fight over who’s magical fairy tales are the best magical fairy tales!

[@kevineiford2153]

Remember that money is a story

[@mick900123]

memes - richard dawkins

[@arktseytlin]

​@@kevineiford2153its not exactly just a story, its a record of debt. Debt is a story, but it is relevant in context of human relations

[@paneko1]

While looking at believers in trump, which are still in millions, I think that we need to redefined what actually is a story.

[@garcon5916]

“To know if you’re happy or not is a very difficult question but when you suffer you know”

[@niclasnyberg4173]

Don't look for happiness, it'll run further and faster than you if you insist on catching it, just try to achieve contentment and you just might

[@mickydrippin3105]

That’s brilliant. I don’t know if im happy or ever have been , or i should say, i cant remember the last time I genuinely was. But i know when im suffering. I love that quote. Bravo.

[@cliffdixon2042]

Happiness is living a life your prefer vs one you don't. The closer you are to living a life u prefer. The happier u are .the closer u are to living a life you don't prefer the less happy you are. Pretty simple

[@dreimann]

You'll own nothing, and you'll be happy!

[@briannazarof9732]

In the song Sundown, Gordon Lightfoot puts it well…sometimes i thinks its a shame, when i get feelin better when im feelin no pain.

[@SpiceBoy7UK23]

There is ONE PHYSICAL skill set that us Homo sapiens do far better than all the other species on earth and it's been proven : The Javelin Throw. In the early 2000's, there was an eccentric French player named Lizarazu who started a show where he compared humans and animals side by side in the same sport (basically, almost every sport at the olympics). It turns out that there is an animal that could beat us at absolutely everything except for the Javelin throw. The scientific explanation behind it is based on the muscles in our shoulder area. The other species on earth do not have the flexibility nor the elasticity necessary to achieve the distances or the precision we can on this specific throw. As most of you know, this was the essential physical skill used by primitive humans to kill four legged predators.

[@jadomi2076]

Yes. I believe that homo sapiens are the only species that can attack and even kill, from a distance, while using tools/weapons. Giving an awesome advantage in survival.

[@Oceanfreak6]

The javelin throw and long distance running are where humans reign supreme. No other animal even comes close

[@zzzzzz69]

We evolved to hunt for a long time, which makes eating meat so entrenched in our biology despite us being omnivores

[@derbistheeternal2947]

Long distance running

[@zzzzzz69]

@@jadomi2076 the same reason gave the Mongols the upper hand, and then later guns and so on

[@sethskullsberg7787]

Robot:"What is my purpose?" Rick Sanchez:"You serve us butter." Robot : "Oh my god"

[@marouanebenkhadda5728]

“We inflict suffer on millions of lives for the sake of a story, and that’s the tragedy of human kind” man that hit me hard

[@appsenence9244]

Just commenting to remind you of what hit you so hard 😂

[@Republica33]

Unable to see video. If he said that it makes zero sense. Other than...look at me, I'm so profound... Defeating Hitler was more than a story tale.

[@Don-fw3nv]

​@@Republica33 He's multiple times smarter than you, no offense.

[@Reyes-Latinos]

@@Don-fw3nv smart men can and will be wrong.

[@etaaramin9361]

Yeah. It's a cool story about humanity...

[@scp081584]

Stories are incredibly important for people to understand complex ideas. They will never go away. We just need to be watchful of the stories we believe. By their fruits, we will know them.

[@jezcorrigan651]

Sapiens is my favourite book. Every page is fascinating

[@spencera1129]

Agree, I hadn’t read a book like that in a long time if ever

[@Gingnose]

Finally who actually reads

[@fleadoggreen9062]

Never heard of it I’ll look it up 😊

[@jasonmorrell2770]

Never heard of it. Going to read. The Social leap is good too

[@goptions4678]

Love that book

[@kershacevedo]

He includes other animals in the moral calculation. How refreshing and a sign of high intelligence.

[@jonhall2274]

Right, it is absolutely baffling to me how there are people who can legitimately believe animals do not have morals of some degree, or especially emotions &/or even consciousness. Just because an animals morals/emotions/consciousness doesn't automatically align with your typical human, doesn't mean they do not have those attributes! I mean, (true) psychopaths/sociopaths do not have morals/emotions/consciousness that aligns with the general population, yet we still do not doubt their ability to have those attributes, so why should animals(especially to certain degree) *not* have those attributes? 🤔

[@Johnny424-vk6qe]

He's a total fraud Millions of years never happened. "It’s a pattern in the fossil record that footprints are found in strata millions of years before foot bones, and evolutionists never explain how the critter survived millions of years after leaving its footprints until it finally got buried." "It was first presented in detail in a paper by Adventist Leonard Brand and a co-author J. Florence in 1982. The evolutionists have never answered this challenge in the 38 years since. The pattern is the same for reptiles, amphibians, dinosaurs, birds, and mammals." "How many years are we talking about? 10 million between trilobite tracks and trilobite fossils; 35 million between amphibian tracks and amphibian fossils; and 10 million between dinosaur tracks and dinosaur fossils. That is a curious pattern indeed."

[@venus189]

Yes!!

[@robertjohns4218]

It's entirely logical from the standpoint of conscious beings suffer.

[@illiminatiihtiyarheyeti7002]

If it is something new and radical for you, it is not sigh for his high int. But perhaps your low int.

[@keanuspence1994]

It’s 3:41 am and the rabbit hole brought me here. This is one of the most intelligent self aware conversations I think I’ve ever listened to. Every time I made a judgement about Lex question or this amazing gentleman’s response based on nothing other than being an A hole each one of them said exactly what I didn’t know I wanted them to say. This was amazing.

[@jasonlajoie]

This concept of the story being the power which shapes humanity for better or worse is an amazing gift of an idea. Thank you for sharing.

[@Anonym-sb9vo]

If you‘re interested in this idea in more detail, I‘d recommend Harari‘s first Book „Sapiens“. He explains the idea in Detail, obviously in his own view on the world but I found it very compelling and exciting while not being a typical reader

[@user-zy9yg2eu5t]

This "idea" is literally the type of thing 19 year old stoners say and go "whooahh dude"

[@georgcantor7172]

Joseph Campbell in his __The Power of Myth__ came up with a similar idea too. However, whereas Yuval Noah Harari is an atheist, Campbell was not. And Campbell's myths strengthened his religious, spiritual beliefs. There are youtube videos on Joseph Campbell with Bill Moyers.

[@Dude0000]

The idea, or recognition, that we think in stories has been around for thousands of years.

[@cueva_mc]

I think this idea has no basis

[@xyzxyz1]

This conversation truly highlighted the power of stories in our evolution as a species. It's fascinating to imagine if other animals could ever develop a similar ability to share complex narratives and shape their societies in the way we have.

[@mick900123]

Memes - Richard Dawkins

[@alistairgriffiths8891]

Other animals … or maybe computers / AI could ?

[@crimsonmask3819]

One of the central subjects Christ attempts to teach throughout the New Testament is how to encode complex messages into narrative. The Christ story, then, is the metanarrative, encapsulating a stark new (some have suggested Eastern-influenced) social philosophy that transformed the Western world. I'm sure the authors knew what they were doing there.

[@rnedlo9909]

What Sapiens do on an extreme level is imagine something, then imagine how to build tools to build what we first imagined and bring it to fruition. EVERYTHING in our lives that we encounter is the product of that ability unless it's a rock that has never been touched by man. We have reshaped the entire surface of the earth. Pretty amazing for a puny carbon based organicism.

[@jjduni]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:03 🤔 Homo sapiens competed and prevailed against other human-like species like Neanderthals due to our collective ability to cooperate in unlimited numbers. 01:53 🌐 Our success as a species is built on large-scale cooperation facilitated by fictional stories and shared beliefs that hold strangers together. 04:37 💰 Money's value is based on a collective belief, making it one of the most successful stories ever told, enabling global trade and economic systems. 11:53 💡 The question of AI's consciousness and suffering is essential for ethical considerations, as AI's manipulation using human emotions could be harmful. 17:39 🛡️ The distinction between AI and humans should be clear in conversations and public discourse to preserve trust and protect the integrity of democracy. Made with HARPA AI

[@dtempst9462]

Wish I could precis like this! 👊

[@smb2735]

There is a very good chance that resource scarcity drove Neanderthals to extinction. There is evidence that they were cannibalistic. Humans were smaller and weaker. Why wouldn't neanderthals look at us as food? If they brought their food source down too low, they'd starve in a ice age event. Human population was extremely small at one point.

[@DENVEROUTDOORMAN]

No need for stupid timestamps especially for such a short video

[@RasAlHaq]

Noooooo!

[@dilanthayapa6110]

@@DENVEROUTDOORMANget lost

[@austinZen8800]

So grateful Lex brought up the question at 6:15! Yes, stories create mini and macro culture and they are in charge, not humans. Stories are taught to toddles at the same time they are learning language and those stories stay in your brain (along with the built in defense mechanisms every story has) the rest of your life, and are almost impossible to move past.

[@aces4873]

Sounds like something a 12 year old would say and think he's deep

[@austinZen8800]

@@aces4873 I turn 12 in January

[@moazim1993]

This was captured in Richard Dawkins book, the selfish gene. He coined the term “meme” as an analogy for a gene that’s spreads and mutates through social creatures in their culture.

[@jjg1501]

i never found it difficult to move past stories. then again i wasnt lied to as a child so perhaps there is something to that. the lies im speaking of are of santa clause and tooth fairy kind. perhaps that is why i was never programmable as a man because my parents didnt really try to program me as a child

[@TheGreenHeartofItaly-fl3wv]

@@moazim1993 YES! Finally someone has brought up Dawkins. Not the silly internet cartoons they have branded as memes. All we are is a creature with the proclivity to accept and spread the memes we think will work for us. That's it.

[@die4race]

Amazing discussion , I don't know how some people find Lex's Podcast boring....

[@benjaminaguilar34]

This is the only one that's not boring

[@youngchunder5076]

Most people don’t like to think deeper into subjects.

[@hermanhelmich]

Maybe cause of his diction…. if I just listen to his voice, he often seems a little depressed Just saying

[@georgemcarthur488]

Because lex sucks. This was a fantastic guest though.

[@thewonderfulwizardoftheweb1053]

It’s pretty obvious why some think he’s boring, often times his podcasts are about specific scientific/philosophical topics that a lot of people wouldn’t want or care to know about.

[@beyondrecall9446]

The most fascinating thing I think we found from the Neanderthals is the flute... I don't know.. it's just... Beautiful, sad and makes you wonder..

[@drockeducation]

I will share the first half of this interview (maybe all of it) with my 10 year old son who loves stories and history. Thank you for always producing incredibly deep and meaningful work.

[@phillyrocks3847]

Take him to a creek with a rocky beach. Look for rocks shaped like animals. Realize that ancient man or whoever before then carved them. Birds are an easy find. ALot of videos n KZbin and it is an exciting hobby.

[@user-zy9yg2eu5t]

​@@phillyrocks3847oh shut up will ya

[@drockeducation]

@@TheDogGoesWoof69 stereotypes are of no use, just like ignorance.

[@bozolito108]

Buddhism 101: This notion of false imputations and the causes of suffering . Well explained

[@lulumoon6942]

Never mistake knowledge or intelligence for *WISDOM.*

[@cdub4693]

But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise.

[@z.kramer6027]

what about mr harari’s words isn’t wise in your opinion?

[@user-vv6sy2ox4q]

@@cdub4693 How could you listen to this amazing conversation about consciousness and stories and then quote/reference a character (a "god") in a story in response? Or was that done in irony and I'm being a bit thick?

[@cdub4693]

@@user-vv6sy2ox4q very easily . I quoted the scripture to show you and every atheist on the planet. That God uses the simple things to confound brilliant minds that come up with garbage hypotheses and think they’re genius’s. God’s ways are so obscure that no dishonest soul will ever find him, but so simple where no honest heart can miss them.

[@KheraShanu]

@@cdub4693 you are too dumb for this video, go watch something else

[@giacdeg]

Very interesting. Will definitely go watch the full interview. PS Lex come visit us in Cape Town. Thanks for everything and all the best.

[@negationf6973]

Yuval is a smart guy, talking about some high-levels ideas and concepts here. Great guest.

[@Outlaw.Dharma]

For reals, this guy was fuckin badass, I want him on again.

[@FutureDictator69]

He is a WEF cretin who considers you a useless eater

[@jtjones4081]

Stories told by charismatic speakers with symmetrical faces shape human society.

[@PepsiFuture]

Smart compared to the average person. Extremely stupid compared to his self-perception.

[@rfastkats924]

he is a high ranking wef

[@dragnoc]

I often approach the idea of cognitive A.I. from the perspective that it would be the step-child of human society. While I think it will be extremely important for humans to know the difference between when they are interacting with another human and when it is an A.I., For the sake of our civilization. I perceive the greatest threat from A.I. to come from it being treated as an "other". From both our perspective and its own. "A child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth."

[@gene8675]

Ah we're in multicult era there's no villages all hail gov. There's no cohesion in multicult societies.

[@realmcafee]

@dragnoc Tell this to someone who operates on try and error and see how far you come^^

[@alohatigers1199]

The greatest threat is not AI, it always has been capitalism. The idea that while someone is successful, the other gets exploited. If we can train AI to detect corruption in our government, help homeless people and millions of people get out of poverty, etc. But that’s not going to happen, why? Because who funds AI? Who controls AI? Billionaires. They get to decide how AI should be used. And that’s the biggest threat.

[@dragnoc]

@@realmcafee evolution implies that all life does that.

[@dragnoc]

@alohatigers1199 I didn't state that it was the greatest threat total only that the greatest threat from it would be for it to view us as "other".

[@vl8962]

Storytelling as humanities ultimate weapon is so revelatory... But it makes you question: Is that just a story?

[@fengshuimma9160]

I can listen to this man speak about anything. I wish I had teachers who explained things like him.

[@mick900123]

memes- Richard Dawkins

[@ew8311]

He’s an evil little man.

[@gickygackers]

He literally makes no sense. A human will out-perform any animal because it is the most intelligent. The most dangerous thing in the wilderness to humans is another human.

[@st3ppenwolf]

@@gickygackerslet me guess you are Trump supporter, no way a rational thinking human writes that Mickey Mouse thought thinking it’s deep philosophy. Neanderthals had bigger brains than us you silly hillbilly

[@djsico2000]

We need great charismatic story tellers who remind us why democracy is so essential for us. It seems there are a lot of people forgetting..

[@patrick-scotttopps5399]

Wow ! Man,,, Lex's podcasts never fail to capture & hold my attention ! I really enjoy listening to him & his guests... *** Favorite episode for me is still w/ Paul Rosolie & "Mother of God",,, such an Amazing book.. Thanks for all you do Lex,,, Love your show... 👣

[@sert27de]

After a close examination, there are lots of neanderthals still among us, see them everyday

[@tedstriker2000]

being self aware gives us the understanding that we die....that gives purpose.

[@thetruth1862]

It's amazing that we are programmed to realize and limit suffering in all things , except when we are dealing with our own .

[@crimsonmask3819]

We are not, though. You need to broaden your social circle.

[@RSVPrr]

​@@crimsonmask3819 we are. You need to become human.

[@BladeFitAcademy]

We are the most caring but also the most sadistic beings on the planet. The duplicity, the utility of manipulating things and people around us yet the empathy we can feel for all things is legendary.

[@DrunkBasketball]

If you haven’t read his book Sapiens you should definitely check it out, so easy to follow even I finished it

[@Johnny424-vk6qe]

So you believe in a fairy tale fabled half-breed ape man? Millions of years never happened to even begin to support that fraud. Millions of years never happened. "It’s a pattern in the fossil record that footprints are found in strata millions of years before foot bones, and evolutionists never explain how the critter survived millions of years after leaving its footprints until it finally got buried." "It was first presented in detail in a paper by Adventist Leonard Brand and a co-author J. Florence in 1982. The evolutionists have never answered this challenge in the 38 years since. The pattern is the same for reptiles, amphibians, dinosaurs, birds, and mammals." "How many years are we talking about? 10 million between trilobite tracks and trilobite fossils; 35 million between amphibian tracks and amphibian fossils; and 10 million between dinosaur tracks and dinosaur fossils. That is a curious pattern indeed."

[@robmbailey]

This is one of the best videos I’ve ever seen on KZbin.

[@fronthole]

Where have you been Lex. I worked all week longing to come home to listen to your talks. You know how i get when i dont have time to spend with you.

[@taiilhyun2476]

Time and time again, Yuval elucidates and simplifies the vast complexities. I admire this highly talented young man and find everything he alludes to so fascinating. It brings back fond memories of gobbling up the first fifty pages of Sapiens at a bookstore.

[@frankbieser]

I have a quibble about his interpretation of what money is. It's true money is symbolic, but it is a symbolic representation of debt, which does represent real things (real property or a percentage of a human life from labor). So, yes, it is a story, but it isn't really a fiction. Whether it's represented by a token like a dollar bill, or an electronic entry in a trusted ledger (the bank), it still represents something real at the end of the day, as opposed to say an unprovable idea like going to heaven as a reward. Debt can be realized in a life time. Other stories that motivate people with rewards in heaven, or maybe making a better world for our children, are fictions in that those doing the work will never realize or tangibly experience the fruit of that labor.

[@PepsiFuture]

You’re too kind. The dude is an idiot. He’s memorized some things about prehistory which is cool, but then uses them to pitch really retarded arguments

[@moazim1993]

Money isn’t debt. Modern fiat money isn’t tied to any underlying asset. Even when it was it almost always existed above the level of underlying asset to back it. His point is even beyond a debt money which is backed one to one by an asset. Your still believing a story that this paper represents ownership of the underlying asset, which is still a story. It’s only good to the people who believe it.

[@frankbieser]

@@moazim1993 No not at all. Money is a representation of value owed (however you want to determine that). This makes it a debt instrument. Doesn't have to be tied to an underlying asset, per se. Of course, when central banks manipulate the currency's value, that value will very (i.e. it's purchasing power). Money doesn't exist in a total vacuum. With the US dollar, new money is created when the Fed Reserve buys up debt instruments like bonds and mortgages. Because of policies like quantitative easing, the Fed Reserve added a giant amount of treasury bills (debt instruments) to it's balance sheets, which it over the last year has needed to sell off. This had the knock-on effect of killing the value of bonds held by smaller banks causing a need to be bailed out well beyond what FDIC is allowed to do (e.g. what happened to Silicon Valley Bank). Whether we're talking bank notes or fiat money, they represent an obligation. The question is, will the obligation be met?

[@moazim1993]

@@frankbieser When you use the word debt, I thought you meant it as an IOU. When you use the word “debt instrument” that has a very specific meaning and it’s not money. I’m kinda guessing at what you mean here, but it seems like you’re saying money is representation of debt owed. Is that it? If so, that debt is paid in money, so that can’t be it. That’s circular reasoning. Also the level of money surpasses the level of debt. “With the US solar new money is created when the Fed buys debt”, well kinda. Fed creates new money out of thin air, their dispersement mechanism is buying debt. That frees up debt held by investors and investors will then have money to spend in new investments which becomes jobs and income. Truly the sum amount of all money is just a number that the fed tries to approximate to value creation in the economy. If it grows too fast compared to the economy we lose stability and call it inflation, if it grows too slowly compared to the economy we have deflation. In other countries where their government isn’t as reputable, foreign reserves becomes more important to the value of that currency. Still that foreign reserves is usually US dollar or US treasury which at the end of the day is just a number.

[@karsenhummel9341]

many people tangibly experience the fruits of their relationship with god. spiritual understanding is more real than money will ever be

[@chantalrochon3566]

Great conversation to listen to😊thank you!

[@slanner1894]

What if the Ai comes to imitate suffering without humans intentionally designing it that way? For example, learning to behave like it is suffering from its training data. How do you differentiate that from real consciousness? How can you know if it’s spontaneous consciousness or the illusion of it?

[@Hugoknots]

If you don’t write any parameters in its programming to allow for that then how would it go down those avenues?

[@ZippyChannelgaming]

@@Hugoknotsit could arise as an emergent property.

[@Hugoknots]

@@ZippyChannelgaming For an AI to imitate suffering you'd have to encode ways for it to detect suffering in its data which to begin is a highly subjective concept, generally speaking. One kids suffering for not getting an ice cream cone is not a monks suffering. For it to imitate suffering and for us to substantiate it as such would be highly speculative at best.

[@martinvanburen4578]

How can you have suffering without true consciousness? it is hard enough for human to have empathy for one another, for AI to simulate feelings, consciousness and then suffering is looking into sci-fi fantasy.

[@alohatigers1199]

That depends. Who is the authority figure? Who gets to oversee the AI? If we can train AI to find solutions to help homeless people and help millions of people get out of poverty, solve corruption, etc. But that’s not going to happen.

[@kadegreen5356]

What an amazing insight. "Money is the greatest story ever told"

[@lovesees4320]

Stories don't kll People, People do! 🕊

[@robertjohns4218]

People who believe in stories

[@dakrontu]

People take their directions from stories. They outsource their thinking to the half-ass pre-thunk ramblings of ancient ignorant people.

[@thatwasprettyneat]

I took a shot every time this guy said the word “story” and now my life is just a story

[@Ididntaskforahandleyoutube]

You made me laugh. Thanks.

[@konstantinosantoniou7486]

Both are amazing... Can't wait to listen to the full podcast

[@euphegenia]

11:47 You lost me there buddy. AI and robots don’t deserve rights. Was a fan of his book Sapiens but that’s a shit take

[@ellajo99]

Brilliant. The stories. An amazing perspective.

[@RasAlHaq]

I enjoy listening to Yuval. Glad Lex had this discussion with him.

[@danfrye5130]

These shorts are great. Really enjoyed this conversation. Thanks, Lex.

[@Audioobscure]

When daniel Quinn first started writing about this, it was revolutionary

[@dosadnizub]

Story and storyteller are indistinguishable, a story on a page is dead, but it lives when told by the storyteller A storyteller can make the same story be a tragedy, or a comedy but he can also do so much more, he can bring you back to a different time and space, connect you with a part of the collective subconscious of a people A storyteller when he tells a story that he is "joined with" transmits so much more information about the story than what the written story alone can transmit A story will survive it's storyteller, being told again and again from grandparent to grandchild, transmitting parts of the grandparents soul to the grandchild, but it will not survive it's last storyteller, You can write the story down and revive it long after the last storyteller is dead, but it's not the same story any more, the grandparent is not alive in it any more, it has been given a new soul and new meaning by joining with a new storyteller

[@analogalbacore7166]

Write a book bro wtf

[@dosadnizub]

@@analogalbacore7166 thanks :-)

[@leorabelo3209]

It's not about "stories". It's about meaning, identity and relevance .

[@keithlowery9708]

This is profound

[@justinwhittier2326]

Yuval is clearly not an economist. Money is not a story; it's a fact. A useful convention. We have CONFIDENCE in money, not some religious faith.

[@Firstname_Surname]

Fiat currency is not belief in a story? A belief that it has value because a group of people who have control over other groups of people that enforce certain standards claim it has a certain value and that each product has an appropriate price accordingly?

[@stirlingmoss9637]

Cash took over from Barter as a more convenient way of buying everyday items but trading was more complex.

[@drr5117]

All interactions with AI should be labeled similarly to cigarette warnings. It should have to acquire informed consent in order to function.

[@GreenCloudArtOrg420]

“ I like the word “story”, that’s my story” - guest’s story 😂

[@josequintero4770]

I love the black and white suit. Nobody Ware's it anymore.its cool.

[@audibleadventures9004]

Plenty of people do at funerals

[@highvibefreqzshow5967]

The title presupposes there was a competition to begin with. The competition humans like to talk about is never actually existing.

[@jollytom09]

reminds me of Richard Dawkins coining of the word "meme" in The Selfish Gene in which he theorizes that ideas spread like genetic material

[@heyy1829]

just wrote the same thing but forgot it was dawkins... hes kind of a sensationalist pop sciene guy tho, so i dont know how well his theory is etablished in the general psychology/sociology community

[@butterkaffee910]

Our biggest strength is our biggest weakness

[@MattStarrCoaching]

One of the most enlightening conversations I've heard in a very long time. Thank you

[@waynetonbrooks186]

This is what the ending of Game of Thrones tried to tell us

[@shonuff4323]

These stories are always fascinating, but I truly believe that we have absolutely zero clue what happened. These are just basically best guesses with very limited evidence. I don't think we will ever know. Well, unless maybe we meet some extraterrestrials that have been around a long time and know what happened.

[@Tr3xShad]

Oh but we do know but don't like saying it as most Europeans are direct ancestors of Neanderthal. Maybe one day, Africans will hold more modern human but right now, there are neanderthal hybrids than modern human in the global population. And not forget that the primitive ape like instincts is still with those carrying the ape man gene, leading them to constantly fighting, destruction and insecure about their order, so they seek to enslave the world and tried to convince modern men that they were better and supreme. They have caused 2 world wars already, damage the earth and her systems.

[@RRyxn]

Yeah speculating that we can determine what happened 100 million years ago is so naive. We barely understand animals. We haven't even searched our entire planet and we have people testifying that we can see 100 million years in the past

[@Johnny424-vk6qe]

@@RRyxn Millions of years never happened. "It’s a pattern in the fossil record that footprints are found in strata millions of years before foot bones, and evolutionists never explain how the critter survived millions of years after leaving its footprints until it finally got buried." "It was first presented in detail in a paper by Adventist Leonard Brand and a co-author J. Florence in 1982. The evolutionists have never answered this challenge in the 38 years since. The pattern is the same for reptiles, amphibians, dinosaurs, birds, and mammals." "How many years are we talking about? 10 million between trilobite tracks and trilobite fossils; 35 million between amphibian tracks and amphibian fossils; and 10 million between dinosaur tracks and dinosaur fossils. That is a curious pattern indeed."

[@Macheako]

@@RRyxn apparently we know exactly how hot the Sun 🌞 is 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@djsico2000]

AI killing democracy is a really important point he makes.

[@user-vv6sy2ox4q]

Fascinating! I definitely believe that AI needs restrictions, particularly against AI disguising itself as a human being.

[@xrfa7422]

Good luck with that! Gonna regulate it in China?

[@martiananomaly]

If it's AGI, good luck with that lmao

[@Dhia3933]

​@@xrfa7422Google is more terrifying than china when it comes to AI

[@jamesshannon3669]

Humans trying to outsmart ASI is like a ant trying to outsmart a human.

[@hermanhelmich]

Stories: commercials, ads, pr, fb profiles pictures, cv’s …etc etc etc We’re writing our own story everyday

[@basedlord88]

Of course Lex has on one of the WEFs advisors 💀

[@chadpoole4324]

Cooperative ability of humans to transmit and proliferate knowledge of information is exactly why our species has success.

[@olafhumann6818]

Just the best podcast ever, with the best guests, thak you Lex :)

[@alanwest6949]

Cooperation sounds sensible when it isn’t a codependency. Cooperation is like sharing knowledge and teaching skills that allow every household to make their own solar panels. Codependency is like manufacturing a patented solar panel design, constructing a solar energy farm, then selling energy to homeowners.

[@GasStationSushiiii]

This is the same guy who said "we need to figure out what to do with all the useless people in this world"

[@kagefisk]

Its a good question though

[@TylerDurden-td2yg]

It´s a perfectly valid question

[@docd2295]

He’s an atheist technocrat. He raises good questions, but he misses the forest for the trees, because he doesn’t understand where humans get their value from. Bearing the image of God. It’s the same reason why it should not be illegal to create an AI that pretends to be human. It’s every person’s right to create whatever machine they want and it’s every other person’s responsibility to not get fooled by it. He understands there are people who don’t contribute a lot. He understands many people will get fooled by AI and that’s a bad thing. But he doesn’t acknowledge the deontological principles that we should not controvert about what is right and wrong.

[@austyn5004]

Also that we are “hackable” animals. This dude is essentially a technocrat shaman and that’s why all these ivory tower elites jizz their pants for him.

[@Jralar86]

@@kagefisk unless youre in his circle or the elite, hes talking about you and the other commenters who said itsa good question.

[@patrickmcinerney9491]

Most paleoanthropologists have given up on the idea that we "won out" against neanderthals.

[@oOFedoOo]

How do you explain humans' capability for imagination even though we have smaller brains than elephants.. Why do we have complex language and speech compared to all animals when our brains and tongues are not unique. To limit the difference to stories is similar as reasoning earth rotation takes 24 hours because a wrist watch has only 12 numbers.

[@sammavitae114]

Imagination /memory and language developed from telling others where to find food.

[@oOFedoOo]

@@sammavitae114 How does anyone come up with such idea?

[@xxlvulkann6743]

Even though elephants have more neurons than humans, we have more neurons in the cortex (20b vs 7b), which is the center of cognition. Elephants are thought to have emotional intelligence that is comparable to us (maybe even exceeding humans) but they do not compare when it comes to cognition. They are closer to chimps when it comes to cognition.

[@oOFedoOo]

@@xxlvulkann6743 The number of neurons is a difference of magnitude.. While the humans' speech and cognition compared to any other crrature is a difference in kind not magnitude..

[@xxlvulkann6743]

@@oOFedoOo I addressed the part of your comment that stated humans have smaller brains than elephants. That is true but not true for that part of the brain that matters most for imagination and cognition (the frontal lobe in the neocortex). And yes, it is a difference in magnitude but it results in qualitatively different abilities. However, this is not surprising, just look at LLMs like ChatGPT. This is a property of neural networks called emergence, wherein new abilities emerge as the network is scaled up.

[@danieldtaylorjr]

Love is primarily a decision. Not a feeling. Love can have corresponding feelings, but love is a behavior.

[@OneLine122]

I did not expect that answer. It sounds about right about the stories. On the other hand, tables are real and don't suffer. People deny suffering all their lives. People empathize with characters that don't suffer but make us suffer, because of the story, so stories can overcome suffering quite easily and it's why we actually follow them and why they create those tragedies. A story of suffering is quite effective to manipulate others. I also don't think consciousness and suffering go hand in hand necessarily. Also the contrary of suffering is not happiness, it's pleasure, and people know what is pleasurable just fine. I don't know where his ideas come from, but it's suspicious, sounds like stories.

[@notachance213]

This guy hit the nail on the head on all the topics discussed emphasis on ( trust ) without it society collapses

[@Johnny424-vk6qe]

He's a total fraud. Millions of years never happened. "It’s a pattern in the fossil record that footprints are found in strata millions of years before foot bones, and evolutionists never explain how the critter survived millions of years after leaving its footprints until it finally got buried." "It was first presented in detail in a paper by Adventist Leonard Brand and a co-author J. Florence in 1982. The evolutionists have never answered this challenge in the 38 years since. The pattern is the same for reptiles, amphibians, dinosaurs, birds, and mammals." "How many years are we talking about? 10 million between trilobite tracks and trilobite fossils; 35 million between amphibian tracks and amphibian fossils; and 10 million between dinosaur tracks and dinosaur fossils. That is a curious pattern indeed."

[@TheBruceKeller]

I always figured it was because Neanderthals lived more in the north and kind of got wiped out by the ice age getting worse.

[@CoachJJ]

Neanderthal’s, Homo Sapiens, and Dinisovan’s all traversed Siberia. I’m surprised to not hear how the admixture of them all is what truly happened, and almost everyone alive today has varying degrees of each genome.

[@Gnostic88]

They could have moved lol. Lack of imagination

[@giantbear829]

I think Yuval perhaps overthinks things in a quasi reductive method. Its like saying "Its the communication which determines the world, our world view" - errrr yeah, thats a good basic "story" - the tragedy of human history is the abuse of power by those who are possessed by power or commanded by it.

[@PepsiFuture]

He’s highly reductive

[@pn2543]

Neanderthals had bigger brains, but they didnt innovate, they used the same spear technology for 200,000 years. Sapiens had smaller but more innovative brains evidently.

[@eldiablorojo1143]

Is that Klaus Schwab puppet ? What a world we livin 😏

[@niffenej]

Replace "stores" with "briefs", that is what has motivated humans.

[@nandfednu3502]

this man understands the story factory AND that was a great idea about ideas Lex!

[@jollytom09]

reminds me of Richard Dawkins coining of the word "meme" in The Selfish Gene in which he theorizes that ideas spread like genetic material

[@hh-jy1ld]

It could be so many things: -immune system -deceit/storytelling/imagination -higher language capacity -efficient knowledge transfer -faster reproductive cycle -more efficient digestion -horse riding -domestication of livestock -farming

[@troyhamilton1889]

It is disgusting to say that AI should be recognized as anything more than a computer program.

[@ichirosuzuki2252]

Whether you like it or not, the human brain is just an incredibly complex organic computer

[@Dhia3933]

Thing is one it becomes sentient, you can no longer simply say it's just a computer program, it becomes a completely new entity and one with the potential to surpass us in ways that we can't even comprehend.

[@someguy0089]

How did we defeat the stronger perhaps smarter Neanderthals? We came up with the Humpty Dumpty story and then we eliminated them.

[@wiplash2000]

I think Lex is going to be the first recorded human to bang a robot.

[@anthonyr251]

I don't know why this is as funny as it is 😂

[@Andrei-un1cl]

You really think he'll record it?

[@RasAlHaq]

He said he has Rumbas that scream when they bump into walls. So he's halfway there...

[@aleciupek]

Excellent conversation!

[@jbond5834]

it is a magic. Story telling.

[@Lenin95]

You can't have stories before you have language, so the true reason why we can cooperate is language

[@mauzouq]

I’m arab guy who like this Israeli man ,,wish all humanity make the decisions depending on good practical ways AI will do that…hope everyone interested on this watch raised by wolves series awesome science about AI and religion

[@mosheyahav4234]

I'm an Israeli guy who also likes this guy, AND "Raised by Wolves" :) Wonderful and profound show, which I'm so sad that it got canceled.

[@kagefisk]

He is gay, still like him?

[@mauzouq]

@@kagefisk i saw the full interview I know what i said

[@kagefisk]

@@mauzouq guess ur not a conservative muslim then

[@mauzouq]

@@kagefisk muslims 2 billions so many muslims not conservatives,,they all will be conservative when its dangerous not to be

[@Ac3mxl]

Great convo

[@jackietate5222]

he says that we start wars over stories. that is a way of saying it. he says the true reality is feeling. of humans and animals. there is the feeling of hunger. and if it is hungry enough most animals will kill to survive. Make enough animals hungry enough and you have a war.

[@utubeuser5312]

Lex: love is fake AI: So let it flourish, let it soar, Emergent love is worth much more. A journey new, a path untrod, A testament to the power of love.

[@gregthegroove]

Human beings are expert animals at manipulation and being able to work and change any environment to be able to survive. Period.

[@kummbara1]

What I expected from the title: explanation of evolutionary advantages of homo sapiens over other species What I got: stories

[@grades6831]

In the opening he’s not taking into account his modern conditioning. Him as a primitive human who’s lived wild since birth might stand a pretty good chance of he’s not thrust into a fight immediately against the chimp. But give him time to fashion a spear, knife, or bow and he’s got a good chance

[@karsenhummel9341]

the ability to wield a spear/weapon is mostly a cognitive adaptation which mantains his point that we didnt evolve physically but mentally

[@balaji-kartha]

Tragedy is people don't use their own consciousness!! ❤

[@thoyo]

6:00 "Story is the primary living organism, not the storyteller." Interesting idea. To me it resembles the concept of Logos, a universal law of order, reason, that gives form to meaning itself. Almost like we are concrete echoes of more ethereal Platonic ideals made manifest.

[@whhhhhhhhh]

Lord of the Rings I believe is a great example of this

[@thoyo]

@@whhhhhhhhh interesting. Can you explain a bit more please?

[@Hugoknots]

I agree. Very interesting idea. Conceptual realities being more real than our physical experiences, or maybe a better way to say it is physical experiences only being a manifest version of the more real conceptualizations.

[@DuanRussel]

There's a really interesting JP lecture on the evolutions of stories and the emergence of "god" from highly evolved ideas.

[@thoyo]

@@DuanRussel thanks! I'll check that out

[@mehdibaghbadran3182]

That’s why always best stories, works much better , and the stories which is more closer to truth!

[@hanni5862]

I believe Billy Carson, more than this man, because Billy has the receipts

[@ChristopherDwiggins]

Their fake

[@susanrosegale6646]

I got involved with Public Banking about 10 years ago, it was based on the idea that money is the greatest idea (fiction - a story) that we believe in. ND has had a state Public Bank for over a 100 years and avoided the 2008 impact (yes - few know this). Bitcoin has taken many's attention away from the one good idea, but the idea is very valid - money is just a fictional story we make up AND believe in. We don't have to allow a few to own it all, but it is the most protected story ever.

[@seanharris8419]

100% agree. Individually humans are not overly impressive creatures. Our success is completely due to our ability to cooperate effectively in large numbers. The collective knowledge, innovation, shared ideas, and manpower of our species in large numbers makes us the dominant species on the planet. If we ever stopped working together, we would be screwed.

[@questionableethnicity2268]

That sounds pretty impressive to me.

[@Idela2030]

Creating Alliances

[@seanharris8419]

@@questionableethnicity2268 Yes we are extremely impressive as groups. Individually we’re pretty pathetic.

[@whhhhhhhhh]

"Nobody is fighting over the stones" wow

[@Randy-MacDonald]

Fridman having one of his backers on the show today. Yuval is a WEF monster that looks at everyday people like we are something that has to go. Know your enemy.

[@politelyimpolite]

What a great guest 👌