Why I am not a Muslim

Ibn Warraq of the Free Thought Society presents "Why I am not a Muslim."

[@garycox9341]

Ibn Warraq speaks better English than I do! A scholar and gentleman!

[@soulofislam1796]

Gary Cox ibn warraq forgot to mention these important points kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5nIeaOLe7mjbpY

[@Humanaut.]

@@soulofislam1796 Do you have any non prapaganda videos ? Most of those pro islam videos are too heavily edited with too many special effects. Just read sahir el buhari(one of the most important books after the koran) and you will be onboard with the jihad. 97% of the Jihad(yes - it was counted) mentioned there is referring to war. You just believe the one that spins the ideas the way you like it. Too much echoe, too loud singing in the background. Can't listen till the end.

[@Hotshotter3000]

He was cited over a dozen times by the Norway shooter in 2011.

[@Hotshotter3000]

@@Humanaut. Ibn Warraq is a major propagandist. His own secrecy about his past really makes me think whether or not he really does speak a single word of Arabic, or like many Pakistani/Indian Muslims, he was just taught to read it phonetically without actually knowing what the words mean.

[@thelordofassholes]

I've read both "Why I am not a muslim" and "Leaving islam. Apostates speak out" and I can highly recommend them to anyone

[@MrBanana2000]

I definitely don’t. The man is a fraud who lies or quotes vague texts (interpreted by him) and enemies of Islam.

[@justinthomas6617]

Ibn Warraq is easily one of the most lovable of Islamic Scholars.

[@abunamr1037]

Islamic Scholar?! Ibn Warraq said he dont even make Salah!Prayer! He said he is not a Muslim, sir! What are you talking about?! It seems you are subjective in your comments and not objective. Ibn Warraq is a Kaafir sir, a non-Muslims, the worst of creatures! Sura Al-Bayyinah. And feel free to quote me!

[@ILYAS-ELIAS]

@@abunamr1037 are u Muslim?

[@jaredgreenhouse6603]

@@abunamr1037 You don't have to be a Muslim to be a scholar of Islam...goodness

[@nanashi7779]

Because he tells you what you want to hear?

[@hulchul8891]

​@@abunamr1037 : U are gutter just like Muhammad the Muslim prophet. Allah was a minor pre Islamic God. Allah is a pagan moon god and good for nothing.

[@danialtanvir]

i bought "why i am not a Muslim' from a book shop in toronto as it was not available in pakistan...

[@danialtanvir]

no there is no freedom of speech in pakistan!.

[@danialtanvir]

what are you trying to say.

[@danialtanvir]

i am not spreading any lies man.

[@Hypatiaization]

Danial Tanvir that’s the difference between a secular system and a Theocracy

[@danialtanvir]

yes i know.

[@livjackson8734]

Quite interesting that he had only a very mild Muslim background and wasn't 'rebelling' against a strict upbringing or anything. But we got half an hour about his childhood and then nothing about the in-depth researches that led to his famous book and the strong feelings against Islam that they must have caused for him to write it...

[@aemiliadelroba4022]

There are fundamental problems with Islam , I can not recognize it as a “ God “ given religion , I can not recognize Muhammad as “ a mercy to mankind “, I can not recognize Islamic laws as divine . Everything is questionable and I suspect deception and pretend to be something Islam is not .

[@Iznikroc]

The Quran is less of a "Book of God" and more a "Transcript of God via Muhammad". It's not chronologically arranged, it's arranged from longest to shortest so it could be memorized easier. You have to remember that Arab culture was a oral culture and that the Quran(means The Recitation) were passed on word of mouth until over 100 years later when it was finally compiled.

[@overcspurs8027]

So it's the speeches of god. Or lies of a conman?

[@synczy7307]

You are the biggest liar ever.

[@synczy7307]

The Quran was compiled in 632. And no, the Quran wasn’t passed on for over a 100 years, you made that up you liar.

[@albusai]

@@synczy7307 there are 26 variants, is incomplete without fulfillment of prophecies lots of plagiarism from fake sources as Talmud Gnosticism and Jewish mysticism given by a very corrupt man

[@Abdullah-ri7ez]

@@albusai lol it’s funny cause if you read the Quran you would know that prophet Muhammad pbuh knew nothing about this stuff until prophet hood and plagiarism from how he couldn’t read or write and as a matter a fact the Quran actually corrects a lot of stuff in the Jewish scripture like historical and Scientific facts don’t let these atheist deceive you the devil themselves teach these people this stuff

[@johnbarleycorn1004]

Really profound. Thanks for sharing.

[@jordanszatynski7092]

When my girlfriend asks me not to talk about religion, but her parents brought it up

[@jamesthomas4997]

why do you Muslims feel the need dislike every video critical of your cult? why dont you address some of the criticism?

[@jamesthomas4997]

Ryad Derdar If you are so confident of your religion why do you dislike when people leave it or criticize it, you shouldn't even be watching this video if it hurts your sensibility

[@jamesthomas4997]

What did he say that was wrong?

[@ulysse21]

james thomas only a part of what he sayed is biaised, especially Islam during middle ages which was not worst than other religions. But what he says about muhammad and nis compaignons is right.

[@ulysse21]

lmaoyourekiddingme Not Jesus, but Christian leaders, and especially, Church !

[@tibzig1]

Ryad Derdar Love it...keep killing each other///it lovely!!! That's your fate!

[@Kaseliya81]

great video.. thx for posting this.

[@VogonJ]

Thanks for uploading this! Seems we westerners needs exmuslims or other thinkers from arabic nations to rediscover what really is the fundament for Europe. Good job Ibn Warraq!

[@cat-uq5hw]

Been 10 years now. Thoughts changed?

[@bhabanism]

@@cat-uq5hw still the same, Prince of Saudi reforming Islam while America making Blasphemy illegal.

[@fahadiit9144]

And now islam is the fastest growing religion in this world. Thanks ibn warraq❤

[@jaimeparedes9188]

He looks like Eugene Levy--I can't stop cracking up! Great and interesting upload.

[@Bhuv-]

very very interesting.............

[@tomapp3608]

the introducer addresses him as Ibn, which means just SON :) "when Son wrote his book..."

[@MMT-786]

Jiyo mere Bhai...greeting from Mumbai

[@bozzeed]

@elmirasahar what did you mean exactly by no where in the Quran please?

[@wowamonn]

At (Surah 18:89-98) Alexander the Great was a devout Muslim and lived to a ripe old age. Historical records however show that Alexander the Great died young at 33 years of age (b. 356 B.C. - d. 323 B.C.), and believed he was divine, forcing others to recognize him as such. In India on the Hyphasis River (now Beas) Alexander erected twelve altars to twelve Olympian gods. The Quran shows errors in historical and religious fact.

[@Paganel75]

"it's arranged from longest to shortest" Except the first one, I think. But yes, I checked that on Linux with the ls -l command, imported the results to make an LibreOffice graph, and it is clearly statistically true.

[@bozzeed]

@wowamonn they raise money by selling bonds then buying the same bonds?! ( referring to the $600 billion deal) ?! this doesnt make sense at all!! please explain further!

[@Spitamenes]

@lkaml1 And which one of them is a "great mind" in the actual sense of the word?

[@Stalinreyiz]

Not because I am a fanatic of Islam, but because I watched a blank speech for 25 minutes, I disliked.

[@synczy7307]

I totally agree. I’m 5 minutes in to this video and he said nothing.

[@bozzeed]

@wowamonn well my friend you seem to know about the Quran more than i do. can you please show me where exactly it mentioned Alexander the great? and where does it say that he lived to be old man? also you should know that the jews use metaphoric words ofthen. aaron was metaphoric that virgin marry was like aaron in worshipping god. also can you show me please where the Quran says marry is sister of Moses? :P thanks

[@BobBob-tt9hq]

حَتَّىٰٓ إِذَا جَآءَ أَحَدَهُمُ ٱلْمَوْتُ قَالَ رَبِّ ٱرْجِعُونِ لَعَلِّىٓ أَعْمَلُ صَـٰلِحًۭا فِيمَا تَرَكْتُ ۚ كَلَّآ ۚ إِنَّهَا كَلِمَةٌ هُوَ قَآئِلُهَا ۖ وَمِن وَرَآئِهِم بَرْزَخٌ إِلَىٰ يَوْمِ يُبْعَثُونَ فَإِذَا نُفِخَ فِى ٱلصُّورِ فَلَآ أَنسَابَ بَيْنَهُمْ يَوْمَئِذٍۢ وَلَا يَتَسَآءَلُونَ فَمَن ثَقُلَتْ مَوَٰزِينُهُۥ فَأُو۟لَـٰٓئِكَ هُمُ ٱلْمُفْلِحُونَ وَمَنْ خَفَّتْ مَوَٰزِينُهُۥ فَأُو۟لَـٰٓئِكَ ٱلَّذِينَ خَسِرُوٓا۟ أَنفُسَهُمْ فِى جَهَنَّمَ خَـٰلِدُونَ تَلْفَحُ وُجُوهَهُمُ ٱلنَّارُ وَهُمْ فِيهَا كَـٰلِحُونَ أَلَمْ تَكُنْ ءَايَـٰتِى تُتْلَىٰ عَلَيْكُمْ فَكُنتُم بِهَا تُكَذِّبُونَ قَالُوا۟ رَبَّنَا غَلَبَتْ عَلَيْنَا شِقْوَتُنَا وَكُنَّا قَوْمًۭا ضَآلِّينَ رَبَّنَآ أَخْرِجْنَا مِنْهَا فَإِنْ عُدْنَا فَإِنَّا ظَـٰلِمُونَ قَالَ ٱخْسَـُٔوا۟ فِيهَا وَلَا تُكَلِّمُونِ إِنَّهُۥ كَانَ فَرِيقٌۭ مِّنْ عِبَادِى يَقُولُونَ رَبَّنَآ ءَامَنَّا فَٱغْفِرْ لَنَا وَٱرْحَمْنَا وَأَنتَ خَيْرُ ٱلرَّٰحِمِينَ فَٱتَّخَذْتُمُوهُمْ سِخْرِيًّا حَتَّىٰٓ أَنسَوْكُمْ ذِكْرِى وَكُنتُم مِّنْهُمْ تَضْحَكُونَ إِنِّى جَزَيْتُهُمُ ٱلْيَوْمَ بِمَا صَبَرُوٓا۟ أَنَّهُمْ هُمُ ٱلْفَآئِزُونَ

[@bozzeed]

@Liebhabaer1974 why the sharia law is the highway to hell?

[@bozzeed]

@elmirasahar well if it is not mention in the Quran, can you kindly please tell me what does the Quran states as punishment to those who commit adultery while being married?

[@786swe]

What's Scotsman fallacy. I am not familiar with that say. Please elaborate.

[@bozzeed]

@wowamonn also please explain how the US government is going to buy $600 billion bonds to raise fund!!

[@Torchmark]

@914light and what do looks have anything to do with a person's intellectual honesty, intelligence and integrity?

[@abdelwahabkhoualdia2056]

A good talk by a ex-muslim

[@mikesvetoslav]

Love your sarcasm :)

[@Paganel75]

Sources ?

[@bozzeed]

@elmirasahar the punishment for adultery is mentioned in sura24:2 for non married couple. as for married couple their punishment is stonned to death. there is an ayah called ayah al rajm. i dont know the number but there are hadiths that prove that who commit adultery when married is to be stonned.

[@Paganel75]

You are welcome :-)

[@quranresponse]

@FJYardley what results?

[@wowamonn]

@bozzeed So what do you propose is a suitable punishment for such the ' crime ' of adultry?

[@bozzeed]

@wowamonn well i did explain that taking interest and usury is prohibited in islam because it makes the rich wealthy and the poor under constant debt just as what is happening to the third world countries today who are struggling to pay the interest ALONE of their principal loans which they got from world bank. in islam also the rich will HAVE TO pay zakat (tax) to the poor (not governments) to reduce the range of wealth between the rich and the poor. so definitely it is a better system

[@AmirH9]

I know the order of Surahs varied, and the Uthmani wrote them down according to size. But this doesn’t change the meaning. Maybe they restrict access to it, because it is their only copy and irreplaceable if damaged further.

[@wowamonn]

@bozzeedThe bonds are bought several years later and during that time intrest is also paid to the buyer. You never bought bonds and CDs from your local bank? I do it all the time.

[@Paganel75]

Only 1/5th of the world population in 1400 years ? Would not one call that a strange failure ? 100% of the world, for instance, use Euclid's geometry (while knowing also when NOT to use it, as in Minowski-Poincaré's spacetime). 100% of the world use Euclid's (a Greek) algorithm, Thales' (an egyptian) theorem, and Bayes (a Britannic) relationship. Knows about the equinox precession discovered by Babylonians, the zero by indians, integer, negative and rational exponents by European mathematicians?

[@wowamonn]

@wowamonn YOu still havent provided your sources slick.

[@Holmseyd]

Well done Ibn

[@DZ04Family]

So sad 😢 story 😥 is reality 💔 so nice so good challenge

[@quranresponse]

Did Jesus come for peace? Luke-ch-12-vs-51(Jesus speaking) Do you imagine I came to give peace on the earth? No, indeed, I tell you, but rather division.52-for from now on there will be five in one house divided, three against two and two against three. 53-they will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against her mother, and mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother -in-law.

[@wowamonn]

@bozzeed Also why does the Quran state Mary was the daughter of Imran who was also the father or Moses and Aron was muhammad confusing Miriam with Mary Surah 19:28, 3:33-36.

[@wowamonn]

@bozzeed If you cheated on your wife does she have the right to file for a divorce from you since you were the one who commited adultry and what are the consequences for you since you commted the act.

[@wowamonn]

@bozzeed Can you please provide cite proof for your statment please.

[@Paganel75]

"without Arab advance in astronomy, there would be no space advances now…" Do not make me laugh : in 1200 years, the Arabs who had a kind of rudimentary algebra, clear sky and an interest in astronomy NEVER DISCOVERED Newton's law, and not even Kepler's ones. All they did was to give NAMES to stars, not a very complicated operation. And what was left to discover since the Babylonian had discovered the equinoxes precession ?

[@Hypatiaization]

No one denies the contributions that different cultures have shared knowledge with other cultures: but let’s not play the same broken record of a narrative over and over without recognizing that fact

[@wowamonn]

@bozzeed " Then he [Gabriel] brought the Buraq, handsome-faced and bridled, a tall, white beast, bigger than the donkey but smaller than the mule. He could place his hooves at the farthest boundary of his gaze. He had long ears. Whenever he faced a mountain his hind legs would extend, and whenever he went downhill his front legs would extend. He had two wings on his thighs which lent strength to his legs "

[@TheSunship777]

" The divorce between Athena and Medina explains much of what went wrong in the Muslim world."

[@orion8362]

Sacred 'beliefs' - Light years away from anything resembling the TRUTH.

[@Paganel75]

Just name ONE contribution of muslim countries to science since the 13th century, so we can laugn. Even Omar Khayyam, a real genius, expressed in his poems the disgust he had for religious people already in his time, before the lon idlamic night on thought began. He died in 1131. Read him (he was translated in arab too, though Toussain's translation is quite readable).

[@bozzeed]

@wowamonn i didnt say you ara American, i said you are from the US :P still you do pay tax. do you know to whom you are paying tax?

[@tibzig1]

Interesting, nobody seems to reply from either side, Muslim or the West.

[@AmirH9]

If the word "Allah/al-Ilah" is of pagan origin, then so is the Judeo-Christian term for God-"El/Eloah/Elohim" which are all dervided from the same root word as the Arabic. Does the fact that Jesus is known as "Immanuel" ("El/Al is with us") by certain Christian accounts really negate its meaning to his followers? And Arabic was written...in fact, there were a wide variety of Arabic alphabets, and dialects at the time.

[@wowamonn]

@bozzeed This Night Journey which is the title of one of the chapters (sura), Al-Isra, of the Qur'an. Read it my friend

[@bozzeed]

@wowamonn (2/2)But that is not the point, the point is why do you think the US government spends more than it brings? Even though not much of that money goes to the health care education social security?and to whom the US government owe the national debt?!

[@wowamonn]

@bozzeed I watched the video But I have known about this for sometime. My brother sent me videos on this matter several years ago.

[@0myjoe]

So many people just disliked the video cos of the title, watch it before u judge people!

[@wowamonn]

@bozzeed Big Investors and Foreign Govenments do the same, except on a larger scale.

[@wowamonn]

@bozzeed The US Government Auctions off Treasury securities, Treasury bills, Treasury notes, Treasury bonds, and Treasury Inflation Protected Securities (TIPS). Which are bought by Investors, State and Local govenements ETC. The investors collect intrest until the Bond is paid for when it matures.

[@Kurtlane]

Ibn Warraq says we need to stand up for our values without apologies. I completely agree. But in order to do that, we need to have values. Do we have any values left? Or have they all been killed by hedonism and the stretching of envelopes? As in any dialectic, go too far to one extreme, and the opposite extreme will rear its ugly head. (cont.)

[@johnbarleycorn1004]

Thanks for that. Really adds a lot. Now, back to reality.

[@wowamonn]

@bozzeed ALSO at Surah 19:28, 3:33-36) the Quran says that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was the daughter of Imran or Amram, the father of Moses and Aaron. Mary is also said to be the sister of Moses and Aaron. Clearly Muhammad confused Mary with Miriam

[@rubinood]

Great guy - slightly disorganized talk, but compelling nonetheless.

[@elmirasahar]

@bozzeed stoning as a form of punishment for adultery is NOT IN THE QURAN. what did you think i meant?

[@bozzeed]

@elmirasahar if that is the case, please show me where does the Quran says do not stone those who are married and commited adultery. to prove that stoning is against the Quran.

[@MuhamedBegBushati91]

@GeorgiaIsOnMyMind He don't even know what he is't talking about he also did't understand the book that he is't talking about ! ( Qu'Ran)

[@Humanaut.]

He didnt or you didnt?

[@orlando098]

33:53 "I was accepted to study essentially European arse history at Edinburgh University" o_0 OK then

[@wowamonn]

@bozzeed " He bucked when Muhammad came to mount him. The angel Jibril (Gabriel) put his hand on his mane and said: "Are you not ashamed, O Buraq? By Allah, no-one has ridden you in all creation more dear to Allah than he is." Hearing this he was so ashamed that he sweated until he became soaked, and he stood still so that the Prophet mounted him "

[@mare8540]

everyone wants to explain something

[@lkaml1]

@PunjabiGabroo01 thank you sir

[@Paganel75]

Did you ever read Omar Khayyam ? OK, he was said to have powerful protections, like VERY intelligent men often do. He wrote about what he thought about believers he could see around him, and about the obvious lack of interest of God - if God existed - towards the humans. A genius of his times, unfortunately exiled in a time of history and country he was not made for. He belong to OUR world, not the one of his contemporaries.

[@Paganel75]

Irrelevant. We are not discussing here about personal matters concerning the speaker (on which you have no grounds to draw conclusions except your own wishful thinking, if anybody buys it), but about what is said by the speaker. Do not mix everything up if you do not want people to come to the conclusions that islam has "a very strange relationship with reason", as pope Benedict XVI said in a very diplomatic way :-)

[@bozzeed]

@wowamonn i didnt buy any bonds nor CODs since Islam prohibits usury and taking interest but that is not the point and you misunderstood my question so let me explain, when you bought bonds, did you buy bonds that YOU issued? then profited from collecting interest? that was paid by YOU?! please explain how the US government do that!

[@johngalt9332]

No, I know all about it. It was also custom to worship idols but apparently that was immoral but pedophilia was not. Of course the "custom of the times" defense requires people to believe that pedophilia is not severely sick and evil and simply a sign of the times? It can't be "refuted" at length...Adults don't find little children attractive unless they are sick and disturbed no matter what time they live...or is there a long explanation that would refute it?

[@Downfurlife]

@freemind1981 Why he is not delusional. That should really be the title. That is really his message.

[@Paganel75]

Stange : when Arabs are supposed to be in advance (which was the case before the Turks conquered them, nor Crusaders), their civilization is "superior" (which was true for a while). But when the islamic world is, like the Ottoman empire, scientifically and technically 60 years to 200 years (and which 200 years !) behind Europe, it has suddenly "no sense saying that a civilization is superior to another". How strange ! :-D

[@AgustinusGiriHartono]

can you translate this to bahasa? hehehehehehe

[@wowamonn]

@bozzeed Unfortantly when you are in an Army you cannnot pick and Choose what war you can fight. The Biggest holder of U.S debt is the U.S govenment itself believe it or about 25% is owed to foreign govenments.

[@Liebhabaer1974]

1 John 2: 7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. => 1 MOSES 4: 15 Whosoever slayeth Cain (who killed his brother Abel), vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. Galatians 1: 9 If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

[@wowamonn]

@bozzeed Ah ha ok slick. So if I say I drove to work does that mean I have a super human power to drive without some sort of vehicle? Or if I say I fished in the ocean I would catch fish without useing some sort of fishing tool? So when I said Mohammed ' flew ' to Jerusalem I meant he literaly flew of his own power? When I mentiioned a flying horse you said it is not a flying horse yet in the Quran its description depicts a flying 'horse' Tells me your uneducated or you are 12 years old.

[@wowamonn]

@bozzeed " i have explaind that this was figure speaking the jews uses in their language " Exactully what comment I brought up was a figure of speech used in the Hebrew language? Its funny you muslims claim to follow the Jewish god yet do not follow any of the jewish traditions. You hold the Jeiwsh text sacred yet ignore the Jewish history mentioned in this text. I recommend you actually READ the Jewish text before you make any claims about it.

[@bozzeed]

@wowamonn that is not what i have asked! i asked do you think it is fair that you file for devorce and your wife who cheated on you takes half of your positioning while cheating also with divorce lawyer until divorce is effective?

[@quranresponse]

Quran: (SURAH-3-THE FAMILY OF IMRAN-VS-19) Surely the (true) religion with allah is Islam, and those to whom the book had been given did not show opposition but after the knowledge had come to them, out of envy among themselves; and whoever disbelieve in the communications

[@wowamonn]

@bozzeed Most money spent by the U.S is spent on the Defense over 1 trillion dollars is spent a year on the U.S military bases all over the earth AND nearly 700 billion is spent on research purcashing new equipment and of course the U.S involvment in the 2 wars in the Middle East.

[@wowamonn]

@bozzeed According to the Quran Alexander the great lived to be an Old man But Greek History recorded that he died at the age of 32 from malaria why was the Quran wrong on this very proven historical fact?

[@ter2710]

Do English speakers tell his English upbringing? Because I can't.

[@elmirasahar]

@bozzeed I cant find it. O.o But i do remember reading it somewhere. But of course its important to have proof, so i will have to look into that more. But, no stoning is NOT islamic, and if it is mentioned in the Hadith it is by corrupt people because it goes against what the Quran says.

[@wowamonn]

@bozzeed You do know that Moses supposedly wrote the Laws of the OT given by his god (by the way the same god you follow) and Jesus followed his peoples traditions since he was a jew but muslims do not practice the Jewish laws given by one of the jewish gods ( and your god since you worship the jewish god). Its funny how muhammed took Jewish beliefs and claimed them for his own adding his own twist to an already established religon.

[@wowamonn]

@bozzeed I would file for divorce because obviously she does not appreciate the campionship of her husband end of story, no revenge, no pissed off behaviour just a logical end to a bad relationship.

[@pvdguitars2951]

The eternal problem of all man made religions: intolerance and fear mongering (= control over the masses). Yeshua, our lord and Savior, reveals and gives freely a liberating loving salvation, to have a personal relation with Him through His Spirit. Those of us that have been blessed in this regard understand and experience the amazing transformation that He brings. When John writes in the Book of Revelation: let him who has wisdom calculate the number of the beast, for it is a human number. The only Greek word with a number of 666 is paradosis. Which is translated as Tradition. The word is used 13 times in the NT (5 times by Paul, 5 times by Matthew and 3 times by Mark). 🙏

[@wowamonn]

@bozzeed The U.S national debt is a very complex monster. Folks buy treasuries because of the intrest that is paid on it thats why so many companies invest in the U.S. SOME of the debt is owned by foreign govenments the largest holder of U.S debt by a foreign country is Japan.

[@lkaml1]

@PunjabiGabroo01 It means that I saw a different video...but thing you just said can't be possible...because in islam It's forbiden to kill someone who's not armed,old people,women or young children...in islam It's even preferable to avoid strikes to the face even during the war!!

[@wowamonn]

@bozzeed " i did read some of the jewish text " The Jewish Text was accepted in its present form by the man Jesus form where he supposedly quoted from it hundreds of times thefore since he is a prophet according to your beliefs the Entire OT should be accepted by muslims. But you claim your holy book represents the final words of the jewish god but many of the Teachings of Jewish god is contradicted in the Quran.

[@wowamonn]

@bozzeed The Treasury issues Bonds with a set price lets say for example $100.00. I then purchase the Bond for $100.00. Its basicaly an IOU. The Money I use to ' purchase the Bond is a 'loan' as it were to the Govenment who then promise they will pay me back in, lets say 7, 10, or evan 30 years in the mean time I will be paid interest on the $100.00 every 6 Months. Then when the Bond ' Matures ' or expires I get my $100.00 back but then I made extra cash because of the Interest paid.

[@wowamonn]

@bozzeed And Religous rule is better?

[@Liebhabaer1974]

@bozzeed Matthew 7: 1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged... Matthew 6: 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. John 8: 7 He that is WITHOUT SIN among you, let him first cast a stone at her. Sharia law is the HIGHWAY TO HELL.

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@wowamonn but why would anybody buy from an institute that spends more than what it makes? in debt for over 10 trillion dollars? knowing that it will soon rage more wars in the middle east (against Iran)? especially when some states also are in debt? how will it pay this debt if it keeps creating more debt? it doesnt make any sense i think you should try again to whom the US owe the debt? (hint: check my previous hint)