Why I didn't wait for the 450 Himalayan to be released and brought a 411 instead!

[@alexanderm2220]

I have a feeling the 411 will be looked at as a classic in the future because of it's looks and simplicity whereas the 450 not so

[@andreajesuspirlo]

The old himalayan was a pre harris performance buyout designed bike by a guy who used to work for Ducati. It basically looks like a Jeep wrangler on two wheels. Unfortunately the new bike looks like a giant mosquito on two wheels or a badly mutated dual sport. The blame squarely should be put on Harris performance for designing this monstosity. Although I am sure it will significantly improve on every technical aspect compared to the old bike.

[@OlafThorbjorn]

Interesting! That explains a lot. The 411 is gorgeous while the 450 looks like a Chinese wanna be 😢.

[@cangaroojack]

Ye my wxact thoughts, though the saving grace for a retro-classic do it all bike could be the triumph 400 x

[@OlafThorbjorn]

@@cangaroojack I think that one looks sick 🙌🏻

[@SonOfDrogo]

@@cangaroojack The golden forks immediately make everything look non-retro to my eyes. RE is coming out with a scrambler 650, though. That will be a proper do-it-all classic.

[@cangaroojack]

@@SonOfDrogo wait, they have motorcycles in the shire?

[@stephensheridan6332]

totaly agree with you, and im going to buy the 411.

[@oldguzziguy]

Very well reasoned. I'm inclined to agree with you about the looks. I have actually seen the 450 up close......came upon about 6 of them being tested last week when I was riding in Ladakh. I've had 2 of the 411s and just love their simplicity. A future classic surely. Good luck with your 411.

[@l.a.raustadt518]

Older riders (like me) maybe a suspect never buy a first year model. Let someone else be the "lucky" one to find problems.

[@Saddlebags73]

My 411 has been amazing and surpassed every expectation. I’ve ridden from Cornwall to the west coast of Ireland, toured Snowdonia, 2-up trips out, commuting year round, and with knobblies it’s a useful green laner. It does run out of legs on motorways but I avoid them when possible and make allowances. I won’t be tempted by the 450. The 411 does all I need and it’s cute 😊

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

I'm extremely jealous of your adventures and can't wait to make some memories of my own 😊. Any recommendations for a more off road focussed tyre that isn't too noisy on the road?

[@Saddlebags73]

@@TheHimalayanDiaries I’ve no doubt you’ll enjoy your owns adventures on the Himmy. I’m afraid I can’t advise you on tyres. I use Pirelli MT21’s for off road. They’re awesome but hideous on the road. A lot of people swear by Continental TKC 80’s, and Michelin Anakee Wild’s look good but I have no personal experience of them, sorry. Side note - I had two gripes with the bike. Maybe just down to the individual but, I found the stock seat was awful, and the touring seat no better. And I found the buffeting unbearable. I had the seat customised and cut the screen down so it just gives the clocks some protection. Transformed the bike for me 👍🏼

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

No problem on the tyre front-im going to get some use out of the stock tyres before I change over anyway 😊. I usually struggle with seats and added gel inserts to my street triple, but so far the standard seat has been ok for me, although I haven't done any big mileage days yet. As I've only just passed the initial run in period with the bike I can't say I've noticed the screen issue either, but I've heard lots of people don't get on with it and opt for a small offering.

[@Saddlebags73]

Being fairly tall is probably half the issue. Also mine is the Euro 4 and the screen differs slightly to yours. Happy travels! I’ll be watching 🙂👍🏼

[@KaabermaBoss]

I agree with you. I bought the 411 for next year and think the same about the 450. The new bike doesn't look right to me, and it costs more, like you said. I also believe the original Himalayan will hold it's value well, with it's cult following and being relatively new to Europe market. At least that's what I sense, They only started selling it the Baltics a couple of years ago, and even later in Estonia. I think there's only about 20 registered Himalyans in Estonia. The ones I've seen sold second-hand were almost as expensive as new ones.

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

That's interesting to know about the Baltic market- didn't realise that. Here in the UK they're a little more common so I don't think values will hold quite as well, but with a relatively low retail price the good news for owners is there isn't much money to lose- especially if they're kept long term.

[@ricmoffet6843]

I waited till this year to buy a 2023 411cc mod , because it had the ECU upgrade, the usb plugs, and the were giving quite a discount, prior to the new 450 coming out here in OZ. I also prefer the look of the current model, it very much reminds me of the 70's model trail bikes I used to own. Nah I much prefer the 411, over the new, not bothered by power or speed, I live in the bush, average speed on the roads around here by everyone is 90kmphr.

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

I spent 8 months travelling Oz when I was younger- beautiful country! Enjoy your Himalayan!

[@d.f.9064]

The familiar dynamic of nostalgia for the older, soon to be discontinued model is at work here. Everything is temporary. The most we can hope for is conti ued supply of parts for the bikes we love in the future.

[@gudgengrebe]

Looks are important and the new 450 looks ugly. If I don’t like the look of a bike it affects my riding style. I’d resent it as soon as I sat on it. If they’d just rebored the existing Himalayan and left the looks alone, I’d have considered it for its speed on the highways. But they managed somehow to design a blob for a petrol tank and an exhaust pipe that looks like scaffolding on a building site. They can keep all the other performance improvements because I don’t want to go near that thing.

[@shebysobreruedas]

It's funny cause you talk about looks as if the older model was a beauty, but it's not. Don't get me wrong, it doesn't look bad, but it's nowhere near to be considered a good looking bike. It's just big and imposing, but not very attractive, at least to my eye. Having said that, I don't see why looks matter so much on the new one for so many people. I bet RE didn't aim this new bike at Himalayan owners, it's more for people who are looking to upgrade from a lower cc bike but don't want a slow big bulk of metal.

[@martyn_g]

The main point I agree with is the price. In Australia it has to be cheaper than the DRZ and CRF Rally, otherwise it’ll struggle. Current model 411 is about $2000 difference- which represents a reasonable deal.

[@marcvanheugten9472]

First one who says the 452 looks hideous, I feel the same. Waiting for it to come out and hoping for a discount on the 411s. That or a second hand 2023 model with some extras. Quite some popping up on marketplace now.

[@edwardkaminsky8142]

Mine was a leftover $3995.00 Saved 1400.00 instead of a new 411. Vegas Always wait one year or more for a new model vehicle. Triumph 400 scrambler and Harley Davidson 440X will give RE some competition.

[@skaraborgcraft]

Agree entirely about the looks. Would rather buy an original and spend on engine upgrades. Prefer to home service top end than deal with dealers and shims. If the rumoured 440 comes to fruition, that sounds spot on!

[@anirudhhhh]

Some of the cons of the 411 -> Engine is a giant metal block. It heats up very quickly in stop and go traffic and in a tropical country like India it gets so hot that it causes the injector and the fuel pump motor to go bad from all that heat. -> Engine has a lot of mechanical clatter compared to a Japanese equivalent. -> Engine efficiency is not great at higher speeds. I think it is the older engine design and tuning for low end because of which highway mileage is not great. -> Weight is unnecessarily high. More weight == less efficiency basically you need to burn more fuel to pull your weight. -> Welds on the bike do not look good. Just compare the chassis welds to a KTM's welds or any Japanese bike. -> Checkered history of production issues. It is a great bike if you like to go slow. Take your time and enjoy the ride. Also maintenance can be done anywhere because the engine is so simple. I would prefer the newer version. It seems to be a balanced motorcycle.

[@Beyond-Horizons-]

I don't like the range on the old 411 a adventure bike needs range.

[@paranjapephadniscompany6907]

Cone set issue

[@carlarthur4442]

When it comes to price it seems to be the carrot and the stick , you always think you might be getting something better for a bit more money , but then where do you draw the line , I think keep things simple , should be less cost , think you've made the right choice for your personal needs , Good luck enjoy 😉 😊

[@mrgrizzlyrides]

I’ve had my 411 for 3 yrs in June. I can’t get the the looks of the 450 either. It’s the tank and that knackers it for me. Plus I luv the agricultural look of the 411. Defo won’t be swapping my 411 any time soon.

[@richardwalker4518]

I quite like what they have done with the 450, especially as it addresses a long neglected niche in the market for the 'goldilocks' adv bike, enough power / comfort to handle motorways and small / light / cheap and competent enough to be a good adv. Otherwise I agree with all you points. I will also say that the decision (411 vs 450) is a bit more complicated than it might seem, as the 411 is in a class of its own. Totally analogue and as simple as it gets these days, which bodes well for getting servicing done in backwoods garages if on long trips. 450 has water cooling, shim under bucket valve adjustment, upside down forks that will probably blow seals on the road, and more electronics. Its a different proposition. With respect to looks, I think the answer lies in the designer they hired for the 411 project. Pierre Terblanche is the same guy that designed Ducati Multistrada (original one) and the 999 and 749 sportsters. I agree that the 450 looks a bit meh, kind of indifferent, but I still think they have made a good bike if you want one.

[@Bordpie]

There are rumblings of a Scram 440 coming out next year, which will be based on the 411 oil and air cooled engine. I originally thought it would basically be a Scram 411 with a big bore kit from the factory essentially, but supposedly it has a few other changes like a smaller fuel tank so it's kinda unkown what it will look like. I hope it's just a refinement on the existing Scram 411 and keeps some of the scrambler feature like the large suspension travel. It will supposedly be a cheaper option to the Himalayan 450, and will replace the Scram 411 in the lineup.

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

That would be pretty cool. I can't help thinking that's what they should have done with the Himalayan though

[@MisterWileyOne]

Number 1 for me is the looks. Big number 2 is the fact I don't want to be REs beta tester. I'd wait for a couple of production runs, if I decided to pick up a 450

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

Couldn't agree more. Always best to wait a few years for the issues to be ironed out

[@imwatchingyou6113]

Isn't funny how people always think they will wait but in truth you really don't know if you will be here tomorrow let alone later on 😶

[@garrywhite8976]

Good decision 👏. Going forward I really hope RE maintain their essential character and don't become a clone of triumph or any other brand for that matter.

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

Their character has given them their market share. I agree, if they deviate from this then then become a more generic brand

[@slasher4328]

Royal Enfield doesn't maintain quality.

[@jonathanjames1864]

Thanks fo your insights. A 2023 411 Scram just popped up for sale with only 500 miles, only $4k. I have been watching videos to see if I should wait for the 450 or not. You had me convinced to go with the 411, until you mentioned the new Triumph. It ticks more boxes for me. I might wait for that or get the 411 for the short term until the Triumph comes out.

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

It's a tough call. The 411 is a great bike, but I'm sure the Triumph will be as well Let me know which one you go for 😊

[@benjamin.f.b.]

I did the same as you, bought used for 3000€ 9 months ago and rode 35'000km since, dropped it 50 times and crashed it thrice, just keeps going. zero issues other than a missed recall on the rear brake which was still usable but i got that sorted anyways

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

Sounds like you're really making the most of it. Happy riding!

[@johnmeasures583]

I agree with your comments especially about the appearance of the 450.

[@TheQ427]

It's funny, when I posted in one of the first KZbin vids that the new Hima isn't what the 411 was (utilitarian, simple, cheap if dropped) a shitstorm broke lose. Now it's the other way round😂😂😂 The 411 marketing "tricked" people into "I want to go adventure" - people bought the adventure aspect not the reality. The 411 is excellent where it can play it's strengths, read: for markets with slow paced traffic and lots of off-road options. It's not for Europe with fast paced traffic and off-roading mostly prohibited. Now lots and lots of Himas are for sale, sometimes with panniers, very low mileage (below 6k miles / 10k KM) 20% cheaper then what I sold my excessively used 18' 411 Hima 2 years ago for - go figure. That said I wouldn't buy the 411 again cos even though I love it dearly it's not the right bike for my use / environment.

[@markfraser6307]

Royal Enfield should keep the 410 and 450 Himalayan models running along side each other

[@OlafThorbjorn]

Exactly!

[@jimmydickson8854]

You stick to what you like mate all good

[@sinorman231]

hi i have done almost same as you i bought a 73 plate himi, i was tempted to wait for the 450, but putting me off was the 450 going to be a brand new engine which is a departure from previous RE engines with looks like more electronics, and cooling system so my thinking being i will run my 411 for a few years let other people iron out any issues if there are any, then take a look at 450, again the triumph 400 is very tempting my local dealer has a display model first week in November so will drop in and see one in the flesh, i have only put 800 miles on my 411 so far but i do love it, it keeps up with most traffic situations, the motorways in UK are so busy trying to maintain 70 plus MPH is a rare thing, i just tuck myself behind a truck or caravan as not finished break-in yet, i have had a couple checky flat outs on the 411 only very briefly but had an indicated 80mph. itchy boots has 450 on her channel at present so am watching how she goes, the TFT looks good, hope your channels carries on growing so can get a few test rides on other bikes in,,

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

Thanks for your comment! I hope we keep on growing too. You sound like a brave man taking your bike on the motorway before it's fully run in- I'm not sure I'd be that bold! Safe riding!

[@davidmallia628]

They will still be making the older design. But if you want more performance, great that we have the choice.

[@JC-jk3kl]

Himalayan 411 is being discontinued and replaced by the Himalayan 450.

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

Sadly so, it's a shame they didn't run them side by side, but from a business point of view I can see why. From what I understand the Scram 411 is still going to be produced for the time being

[@JasonFollett]

I bought my 411 new in June. I didn't wait for the 450 because the release date kept being pushed back, so I could ride a bike now or wait for another year or more. Also, I expect the first release of anything to have some issues. Highway speeds are fine on the 411, long roads and steady inclines are easy. However, I'd consider a bike with more power because the 411 struggles up moderate hills on paved roads. I find myself wishing there was more power left in the throttle rather than empty space, or having to gear down to 4th or 3rd to get up a hill with cars behind me wondering why I'm doing 35mph/60kph on a 60mph/100kph road. I've learned to take a run up.

[@automotriztechnica]

Makes sense, perfect ❤

[@mysterybiker1717]

If you ride on roads triumph is better but if going off road, the two cannot be compared. The triumph is a short stroke high revving engine, with zero proper off road ability. The himmy 411 tractors up pretty much anything and can take a proper hammering (mine has!!). My concern with the 450 is whether they have compromised on the low down grunt in the search for that magic 40hp. Also the first enfield water cooled bike….give them a couple of years to get that sorted! Thermostats, water pumps, radiator, hoses, fans, all on a budget, recipe for problems. The best thing about 411 is the reliability and simplicity of that motor. Valve clearances can be done easily on the move, all its faults have either been fixed since 2016 launch or there are known fixes out there. Install a tec cam and you are only 11hp shy of the 450 with all the other benefits. I agree the 450 aesthetic is not good.

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

Completely agree. The Triumph will be a road bike that can handle some gentle off-road jaunts, but the Himalayan is more fit for purpose. Depending on the price points though I think potential buyers will consider both and then adapt their riding locations accordingly

[@HunterVlog350cc]

me too , i will try to buy ducati scrambler

[@simonchilli2088]

I've seen some of Itchy Boots riding in India on one. It's got a bit of a ubiquitous Chinese bike look about it. I think it's because of the engine's overall appearance. I'm thinking of the Chinese bixe that are based on the Kawasaki engines. That's my opinion any way.

[@parans95]

The Chinese are allegedly making tons of sales in Europe, US and Australia so in a bid to fight the competition they might have gone that route.

[@slasher4328]

No, chinese are not at all encouraged in india. You can see downfall of many italian brands now owned by chinese.

[@lucaba419]

@@slasher4328interesting; which ones?

[@agustincuevae]

​@@lucaba419Benelli

[@thebestevertherewas]

​​@@lucaba419Benelli used to be popular before the sale to the Chinese. Same thing happened with other Automobile brands like MG, Volvo etc too। Sure , they now have greater EV's but at what cost?

[@RufusCapstick]

I like the looks of the 411 but want the power of the 452. However, I agree the Triumph scrambler beats the 452

[@pietervanderzee9998]

You are right 411 is nicer and Lee's electronic

[@daweshorizon]

Picked up an ex-demo 411 today. Totally sorted, meticulous service history, under 6k miles on the clock with loads of decent upgrades and extras, £3k. Bargain. Had to use the (M1) motorway for speed and convenience to get home, a 70 mile journey, and I wasn't looking forward to it. But the Himalayan proved that it will easily hold 70mph all day, guess how long that journey took. Looking forward to getting the Himmy into its more natural setting however. I too, considered waiting for the 452 model. But having seen a few 'first impressions' test rides on YT, and looking at the more complicated specifications, I just decided to keep it simple. The 411 is a future classic. It's more than the sum of its parts. By far. Resilient, reliable and versatile. Might have just 24bhp, but faster than a Hyabusa down a dirty track. That's the point. I have no doubt the 452 will be a success but for me, right now, the 411 is where it's at. It's just a shedload of fun! Love and peace.

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

I couldn't sum it up any better myself. The 411 really is a great little bike. I hope it gives you lots of smiles for many years to come 😊

[@highermathematicszon7785]

Love for ❤India. Today I watched all of your videos. I have 350 Royal Enfield meteor

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

Thank you for watching! 🇮🇳

[@nockianlifter661]

Thing is, it isn’t an enduro level bike. I have a Fantic 500 which has 40hp and 150Kg which does for mainly road use and an XT250 for green lanes as a novice and wouldn’t need the extra power. If I was a more experienced rider off road, I’d buy a KTM 350 EXC. The standard Himmy is pretty much a comfier, heavier XT. It’s going to be up against bikes like the Honda 450 and the new Kove 450 which are less novice friendly - maybe that’s exactly where it’s aimed ?

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

I test rode a fanatic before buying the Himmy- great little bike! I think the price point will tell us a lot about where RE are targeting the bike- it surely has to come in at less than the Honda and the Kove

[@andyc750]

more aimed at the same market share as the KTM 390s, the X-Versys and BMW GS310 and not an enduro bike, they haven't got anything wrong with the bikers released in recent years so doubt this will be a failure and certainly not meant to rival the Kove or Honda 450

[@nockianlifter661]

@@andyc750 I suppose it will largely come down to price vs those bikes. It looks quite a good option to me, but would be more of a replacement for the Fantic if I were in the market, but just not as pretty.

[@andyc750]

@@nockianlifter661 wait and see time, for me the original Himmy is lacking some power, had it been nearer 30bhp I suspect it would sell more bikes as then it would cruise in comfort at 70 all day so this one at least addresses that problem but then it also pitches it in against some established rivals that have sold well

[@nockianlifter661]

@@andyc750 One of its tricks is the result of that long stroke engine it’s easy for novices to ride in tricky terrain. I’ve taken the Fantic off road and the extra power makes it more like an MX bike and that power delivery would suit a more experienced rider. My friend has the Himmy and I have the little XT250 so it’s a good comparison with similar power, but that big, torquey 411 walks away from me unless I’m revving the nuts off the Yamaha. Even though the Fantic has twice the power, the Himmy still does well using the torque on winding back lanes - the Fantic is faster, but I can’t cruise comfortably at 70mph despite the power, so there’s not really an advantage unless I’m having fun on the back lanes. I also own a Vitpilen 701 which in enduro guise would do everything you’d want if you are skilled off road. It does make mincemeat out of the other bikes and with a massive lump of torque and lighter weight than the Himmy.

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

I've heard rumours that the 411 will still be sold alongside the 450. If it does retail for that much I really do think that they'll struggle. I'm yet to put the Givi's to the test, but I do think they suit the bike.

[@slasher4328]

I heard bookings are closed for old one.

[@JasonFollett]

I think they tell you that 411+450 will both be sold to help sell you the old model. I guess to stop you worrying about the availability of parts, or falling resale value.

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

Makes sense I guess, however if anything if they discontinue the 411 I'd say that would do more for resale values as it's unobtainable brand new anymore. Depends which way you look at it I guess. Interesting discussion none the less

[@Marbleheadjed]

I like the simplicity of the 411 . I bet the 450 is more difficult for the home mechanic.

[@FL-PHILLIP]

I have a 411 and love it. The 450 may be faster but is butt-ugly! Much prefer the looks of the 411 himalayan.

[@shashimenon1000]

Good points. I was waiting for the 452 for a shift down from my Tiger 850. But the looks are awful. My interest in the KTM 390 Duke is reignited. Less weight, more power, price acceptable. I wish the exhaust sound could be different. But then, with my helmet on, why me worry?

[@LyonPercival]

Alternate universe Motorcyclist Josh Strife Hayes 😅

[@lipsee100]

I have a 411,,and I think my bike was designed for India not the west...which is why its a long stroke engine,,, long strokes are all about torque (no top end to speak off) Now the 450 is a different beast altogether,,,Producing 40hp its got tobe a short stroke much like Japanese bikes...Good for motorways I would say its going tobe much the same as the Suzy DRz400...its just not for me.... Regarding the Triumph 400,,I like the looks,it will make a great first bike...but for the money I think a little spendy..I would buy a Mash Xtrial 650 and spend the difference on fuel.....

[@mikehurley5052]

450 will kill the value on the 411. But the 411 has the best looks, especially the dash. Other than the 40 hp i see nothing to make me sell my 650 BMW, more power, more torque, less weight.

[@therakeshdas]

Going to be discontinue.

[@grominwithrob1339]

The original looks like a 60/40 split with the emphasis on off road use and the new one looks like a 60/40 split with the emphasis on street use. I think the new bike is crazy ugly.

[@keithert]

I just got a new Himalayan Scram 411 for 4100 US dollars out the door with tax and tags.

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

Bargain! Enjoy your new bike 😁

[@simonmills2375]

Keeping my 411, but thinking of putting in a cam and and a 16 tooth sprocket. I like it as it is but would be sweet with a little higher cruise speed. Be nice to find a fix for the front brake, caliper off another bike or something.

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

Sounds like a good choice. I may well switch the sprockets out on mine too later down the line.

[@lordmotorcycle]

Buen vídeo amigo; Yo tampoco esperé la 450cc y Mañana me están entregando la Himalayan 411cc. Porque me decidí por la versión original?? bueno en diseño, simplicidad, estética y manejo tranquilo es una moto con una belleza única. Saludos y buenas rutas! . Casi casi no la consigo porque acá en Perú ya no la traen más .. tuve mucha suerte de conseguirla ;) .

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

Awesome purchase decision! Have a great day tomorrow! I'm excited for you! Ride safe!

[@TheAbhishek72]

I waited a lot for himy 450 but due to uncertainty of its launch and a brand new engine from RE made me buy scram 411 in last year's end. I have ridden BS4 himalayan and with scram this engine got in the best version of it. I knew himy 411 gonna be discontinued soon but scram was soo smooth that i bought it straightaway. In most instances torque of scram is enough for me with decent mileage on highways also i think new himy 450 looks really ugly and side panel looks so tiny.

[@kiron1153]

Let it launch first,we can see..,

[@user-mp1yp3dq3z]

As look’s goes the 411 knocks it out of the park the new 450 reminds me of a big van van

[@mosespaul3045]

Time to go for yezdi Adventure 😊

[@jamielong2284]

I really want to k ow where tonget that cardigan from its amazing .... I especially love the brown shoulder pads...my grandad would love this

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

I'm thinking of making an Himalayan Diaries embroidered one. Let me know if you're interested!

[@motorbikemeditations6763]

greed, the new bike just doesn't look as good

[@djking44151]

I had a really bad experience with my 411. It basically just fell apart. Absolutely shoddy parts quality.

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

@djking44151 out of interest what went wrong for you?

[@djking44151]

@@TheHimalayanDiaries So, a load of my bolts rounded off. Some sheared off (which made replacing parts a nightmare because i had to replaxe the brake pedal). The headlight assembly cracked and needed to be replaced. Rear master cylinder failed. Fuel relays failed. The evap system needed ripping out as that caused me problems. Its a shame because I genuinely loved the bike and wanted it to be better. I hope the 450 uses better parts.

[@djking44151]

Oh yeah, someone stole it too and smashed up my ignition barrel 😅. That wasn't RE's fault but I busted another bolt getting the new one in. I wanted to cry

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

Wow! That sounds like an absolute nightmare! 🤞I don't have a similar experience. I'd expect there'll be a few teething problems with the new bike as it's such a leap forward. It may be best to leave it for a few years and wait until all of the issues are ironed out before taking the plunge. That's if your first experience hasn't put you off of course! I wouldn't blame you if it has!

[@djking44151]

@@TheHimalayanDiaries Fingers crossed your ownerships goes well. I think a lot of my issued were due to water as I kept my bike outside (covered) at the time. Its all I can think of as I've not heard that many problems from folk in drier countries. In any case, if the 450 is priced as well as the 411 then I'd give them another shot in a few years.

[@selbinushborgoyari2312]

Is Himalayan 411 should be discontinued I hear very sad

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

Agreed

[@jakespeed6515]

Voge 300 Rally? CRF Killer?

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

Potentially......I see Voge's biggest problem being that they're an unknown entity, but if they gain some traction they'll be extremely difficult to compete with.

[@thomaskamei4268]

👍👍👍

[@jimtitt3571]

I've ridden almost everything with off-road capability (and a fair few road bikes) produced since the 60's and grabbed a test ride on a 411 at an ADV festival a couple of months ago. Immediately I was catapulted back to the days of mediocre junk from my youth and can't see the attraction in any way. Why buy a gutless bike with no power, poor handling, indifferent brakes, miserable suspension and below average build quality?

[@incorrigible117]

U have poor taste my friend

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

This one's clearly not for you. Happy riding

[@jimtitt3571]

@@incorrigible117 No, higher standards.

[@incorrigible117]

Because it's Indian?

[@y404mog]

If the 450 had lost weight compared to the 411, say down around 182kg (400 lbs) or less, that would have captured my attention despite its appearance.

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

I still don't think I could get past the looks, but it would 100% be a better off road proposition

[@papaduck2443]

Remember, the Himalayan comes with crash protection which adds weight. Other bikes may be a bit lighter but if you put crash bars on them they will be as heavy or close to as heavy as the Himalayan. The difference is that you have to buy the crash bars and install them where as the Himalayan comes with the crash bars.

[@MauriceTarantulas]

Yep keeping mine. Still trying to decide between the Givis and stock Enfields for crash bars. Also cant decide between Sidis, Formas and RST for boots😂 New Himmy will be £6500 or similar am guessing. Agreed cant stand the looks of the new one. What were they smoking? P.s Yeah I want a 2nd bike for a bit of speed. Might go to the NEC next month.

[@steveporter1096]

Go for the Givi bars no contest.

[@MauriceTarantulas]

@@steveporter1096 thanks.

[@sammalloc269]

The new himalayan looks ugly. The old one even though has its shortcomings it has a certain charm like every other enfield. The 411 was designed by an Italian designer, they should have stuck to one. Although the new himalayan is generic looking, it's much better than lots of other adventure bikes. If the rumors are true they will stop selling the 411 himalayan but continue to sell the scram.

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

That makes more sense than running both side by side!

[@andrewrobinson3030]

I’m going to buy a new old style Himalayan

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

You won't regret it! I saw the new 450 at MCLive this afternoon and my options on the looks have changed slightly, but the 411 is still an awesome little bike and I won't be trading mine in for one 😊. Video publishing this afternoon!

[@alanhanley9515]

In my humble opinion, RE have screwed up on the design of the new bike. Surely they must realise the styling of the original was its USP. Why not just add the new tech to the old styling, they would have been on to a winner combo. Baffling.... t?

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

My thoughts exactly!

[@arc1560]

Same🎉

[@eliut6855]

A Triumph that is really a Bajaj and looks like a RE Hunter 350… I own a 411 it’s easy to fix any monkey can do it. The new 450 looks too sophisticated for a dumb guy like me to fix in the middle of nowhere. I will make a solo trip across USA west to east canada east to west… so I need to be able to fix it myself.

[@perfilfake123]

The new bike looks like a Hero Xpulse 200

[@lovepeacehatewar9818]

No, Just Petrol Tanky Looks By Side you Can't say, go to near and Look 360° its Totally Different, Btw Bmw gs, Suzuki V Storm, Triumph Tiger, Ducati, Honda 500 x Above, Yamaha, Beneli Above 502, Zontes Above 350 t etc etc etc All looks Like Same, Actually All Adventure Bike Aesthetics Looks like Same Because their Design should be made for Adventure tour. Sfbeng 🙏🏻

[@thebestevertherewas]

It looks like a Mosquito 😅

[@larrythomas7049]

The 450 is ugly

[@akawizard226]

You'll regret soon

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

How so?

[@highermathematicszon7785]

I am sure you will not regret bcz. New Himalaya look horrible.

[@bennyblancoftb2669]

I totally agree with you m8. I have the scram 411 and I wouldn't trade it with the new himalayan 450. The main reason is that the new one is kind of ugly.

[@rexmex5519]

I work close to RE folks. Its going to weigh 187KGs dry

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

So over 200kg wet...?

[@rexmex5519]

​@@TheHimalayanDiariesyupp

[@TheHimalayanDiaries]

@@rexmex5519 😲