WHY I DON'T LIKE STIMULANTS

Pre-workouts do more damage to the health and future gains of lifters, more so than any other substance combined. Pre-workouts will prevent you from making necessary adjustments to your training program, lifestyle and diet, which are probably the actual cause of the fatigue that has led you to use them. They also put the cardiovascular system under excessive stress and are bad for your kidneys, but if that’s not enough to dissuade you…they will also actually kill your gains!
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[@BhetzFit]

I love how coach Thib lays it out. “You may have cardiac arrest and kidney failure overtime, but in my opinion the worst part is it will halt your gains” now THAT is a statement by a true gym going meathead. And believe me, I have more respect for this man than anyone. Just funny.

[@djgiga2]

@jon smith your body isn't unique. It utilities both fat and protein for energy when in a deficit, it's biology. You just need to find what your daily calorie intake should be. It must be lower then what your eating.

[@dokterkarel]

this quote could have come from Dom Mazzetti

[@Aaronduhmoron]

@jon smith you might be eating too close to BMR and losing too much muscle as well. Plus if you're reducing carbs too much as a normally stressed out person you may be spiking cortisol too much causing you to retain body fat. THIBARMY has talked about this as well.

[@kravmaga7070]

what if the reason you use caffeine stimulants before a workout is because I work 7 days a week construction , sometimes for weeks on ends, i think 23 days is max by provincial law and i work 10 hrs every day and i have no energy for a hour long workout AFTER GOING TO WORK but if i use caffeine, like 100 -200 mg its no problem going to the GYM BEFORE WORK 2 OR 3 X A WEEK. i mean straight caffeine as in coffee or 1/2 to a full serving 200 mg caffeine pill, NO PREWORKOUTS. too much shit in there, too much money and it pumps me up in the wrong places like 3/4 of way thru a workout , my hand muscles start pumping up and aching....not cool.

[@sethferoce6106]

I've read so many articles of yours on T nation. Glad to add a face to the name. Thanks

[@AntiTrollable]

I have an espresso before a workout and that is all I have. Just gives me that little boost and I love coffee. I used to take pre workouts but that became a major problem when my tolerance increased. I will always drink coffee.....😏

[@mentefit-robertoribeiro6146]

God is speaking to the world through Thib's mouth ...wise words

[@thedetective8150]

I tried a pre-workout drink and it made me feel like crap during my workout. I will never use any type of stimulant for a workout. Excellent information Coach Thib!

[@jakubb3368]

Me: turns on subtitles Subtitles: *visible confusion*

[@crldnlc]

Jakub B LoL I had to try it 🤪

[@ve_rb]

IT THINKS HE'S SPEAKING DUTCH LMFAO

[@franklogrim8510]

This guys is not just a meathead hes a genious too, thank you so much this is great information !!

[@danmoriarty6678]

Dude knows his stuff

[@philmcrackinnow]

I got hooked on the caffeine and it gave me abnormal heart rhythm and terrible anxiety. Once I quit it still took a while to get back to normal.

[@simonroy2123]

Did you take over 400 mg of caffeine a day ?

[@philmcrackinnow]

Simon Roy I’d say yes. But if I were to drink one cup of coffee right now it would make me feel like I’m on cocaine all day. I don’t think my body metabolizes caffeine very quickly.

[@simonroy2123]

@@philmcrackinnow that explains you heart issues.

[@Cenot4ph]

100 percent, it's not a long term solution but it is ideal for those companies selling them

[@AE_IAF]

Zinc Supplementation causing increased metallothionein crashed my Copper levels. Copper is needed to convert dopamine to adrenaline. So very low adrenaline levels. Probably high cortisol and low T. I had almost zero tolerance to exercise. I also gained gained an uncharacteristic amount of fat, about 25-30lbs which seemed un-loseable. Was a nervous wreck. Copper is also needed to retain calcium. With low calcium you cannot create melatonin (no quality sleep/high cortisol) or bone material. Hair/blood tests showed this. I am improving rapidly with 5-10mg of copper per day and 250-500mg of calcium hydroxyapatite per day. Be careful with the zinc supplementation often recommended in bodybuilding circles.

[@newbeginnings1543]

Thank you for this information. I quit thermogenics cold turkey.

[@perthomasthorsager9544]

Hehe Christian Thibaudeau I like your priority and how to lay things out: Heart and kidneys could fail long term, but that is not even the worst problem with stimulants ha ha what could be worse?. The worst is that you are killing your gains(Agreed) . I love this priority and thinking about optimal gains will eventually keep your health intact aswell. Fantastic! Trying to keep myself to coffee and green tee aswell as ALA and Carnitin. Longer type energy without crash, bloodpressure and heartrate are within normal. Also does not impact my sleep pattern.

[@supastrong5000]

Awesome video. Also not mentioned, is that excessive stimulants keep the body in a sympathetic state, never allowing for parasympathetic recovery to take over, or limiting the power of the parasympathetic system. Lack of recovery, compounded, ends up accumulating a huge recovery debt... killing gains, and health.

[@thehealthychefri]

Great advice!

[@leonkabo]

I love your content bro, 100% spot on

[@nindajuka8427]

Superb!

[@fellowtraveler2251]

Caffeine in and of itself is probably one of the safest drugs that you can take. The problem that comes is with the higher dosages, which can be avoided, but people build tolerance to stims, and in order to get the desired effects, people start to take more. But with higher dosages comes adverse side effects and potential long term damage to ones health.

[@zxtenn]

Youre so right, I cant believe he is taking 1000 mg, I ride bicycles, mainly mountain and sometimes I take a GU with 40 mg of caffeine and I can feel that so 1000 would be 25X more, crazy...That's what athletes do to get to that level as we know, self damage happens more that people think especially with liver and kidneys

[@EpsiIonEagle]

Kind Energy Bar and a banana are my pre-workout

[@DoomDoom500]

Excellente capsule merci bcp pour ces 3 excellents points!

[@itisYass]

Thank you! Very informative 👍🏼

[@davidkymdell452]

I'm on amphetamine medication for ADD. he's dead on with the "using stimulants for fake energy". It makes a huge difference on the spinning bike but boy, if you use it for weights training......so easy to overtrain.

[@spiritualanarchy]

David Kymdell same!

[@tonyd5990]

Lol “butt boy” I use this term

[@aross7431]

I find that an hour gym session becomes a 2-hour session on pre workouts. Fatigue should be an indication to get the hell out of there and start recovery. All the cortisol buildup will eventually kill your gains when the pump decreases.

[@DanFallonMusic]

Awesome vid

[@eljefe5536]

Thank you!

[@MrX-rk9or]

Been there done that. Up to 1800mg caffeine, 300mg dmaa among others. Heart racing and felt so pissed, from headaches, I flatout screamed in every rep/set. Took it in the morning and could often not get to sleep till the next morning. Worth it? Nope not that much, lol. You're tired and take it to get through your workout and all of a sudden you find yourself not being able to even feel like your normal "non-stimulant drugged" self without it. Tolerance builds up quick and it could easily take months to get back to normal, when passing recommended dosages. Recommended dose and only for getting through plateus, I'd say. Also, read up on the ingredients what they do. Do you even need it? Also, try to find what dosages actually do anything/too much. Stay away from bottles with really long lists of ingredients. They all too easily cause nausea. And boycott "proprietary blends", fn bs behaviour.

[@dakotaclark5012]

This explains why when i was training for boxing running miles and miles to cut weight I would always have little to no sex drive, I was over trained

[@TerryLow]

Love the content!

[@gateslattes4686]

Great video

[@joosewv]

I use preworkout daily because I work out in the morning and I think it's a nice boost, but I do remember it hitting very different back when I started taking it. Maybe I'll try replacing it with a cup of coffee for a while and see how that affects my workouts. That way I can save that buzz for times when I actually reed it.

[@AS-er4ud]

I only use them once or twice per week. I think if not abused daily, your system can find a happy spot where they actually help.

[@aldelacruz5526]

The mixed drinks 🍸 the night before may have something to do with bn too tired to workout 😴 😅

[@MrGarrisonSA]

My online personal trainer starting 2020

[@zxtenn]

Thoughts of using creatine and BA together?

[@kravmaga7070]

what if the reason you use caffeine stimulants before a workout is because I work 7 days a week construction , sometimes for weeks on ends, i think 23 days is max by provincial law and i work 10 hrs every day and i have no energy for a hour long workout AFTER GOING TO WORK but if i use caffeine, like 100 -200 mg its no problem going to the GYM BEFORE WORK 2 OR 3 X A WEEK. i mean straight caffeine as in coffee or 1/2 to a full serving 200 mg caffeine pill, NO PREWORKOUTS. too much shit in there, too much money and it pumps me up in the wrong places like 3/4 of way thru a workout , my hand muscles start pumping up and aching....not cool.

[@BuckingHorse-Bull]

i seen peeps come in with a hot starbucks. damn i had thought i seen it all

[@frankbailey7337]

Can you let us know what you think about natural stimulant like coffee, green tea, yet a mate?

[@hainamtran2232]

it's the same to preworkout tho. The main substance to boost your energy in both pre workout or cafe and green tea is caffeine.

[@frankbailey7337]

@@hainamtran2232 yerbamate has theobromine in it which has a much longer half life than caffeine. And coffee has certain acids in it that may play a role in how the caffeine interacts and metabolise.

[@frankbailey7337]

Green tea contains l theanine which has been shown to calm anxiety and is used by Buddhist monks to mediate, I reckon its not the same as a monster energy, what do you think?

[@rickniu4153]

love pumping up the preworkout for PR attempts..besides that... eh

[@mange12345]

Its because with 2 kids, full time shift job and a house takes alot of energy.

[@dokterkarel]

how is this channel not more popular? Maybe because this guys is telling the truth too much and people don't want to hear it ...

[@aross7431]

Caffeine highly increases cortisol which increases muscle breakdown.

[@yosef36069]

So what's the solution to have energy in a natural way

[@Wise101]

So it is best to avoid 1-2 cups of coffee per day

[@franskie1395]

how about coffee ? is it ok to have it everytime before we start our workout?

[@Vlikdude]

What happens if you take caffeine which will increase cortisol, but at the same time ill take cbd or other supplements that lower cortisol. Can that counter the negative effects?

[@JP-wk7cc]

8k views but only 400 likes Come on guys help him out

[@beau5296]

Stimulants are fun af.

[@THIBARMY]

As someone who used to do rave parties (me) and who *theoretically might have been into speeds" I gets ya! But they are still the Devil LOL

[@8000860]

Exactly what I think. I tried to workout with pre-workouts and without. And it's much more fun with them. But I'm using Arginine and Citrulline pre-workouts lately, with less than 200 mg of coffein.

[@8000860]

@@THIBARMY Yeah. I take pre-workout (or just Guarana) for parties 😎

[@simonroy2123]

@@8000860 that is fine. As long you don't go over the maximal daily amount and that you stay aware of your training capacity, pre workouts are alright.

[@ryanjohnston8237]

Is coffee strong enough to count?

[@ferrarielmos8557]

1,3 DMAAAAAA

[@jamilhemsi7997]

🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@xMCxVSxARBITERx]

I will try to improve my sleep!

[@bnelski0257]

U can’t use a person taking 3-4 times the recommended dosages of a PWO as an example against stim . That’s over exaggerating

[@nickzema4683]

2:50 - Jon North?

[@tonyd5990]

Damn I had no idea, I’m not taking it anymore. What about non stimulant pre work out for pump?

[@paraplannerforum3268]

Caffeine is very very addictive. The longest I’ve been caffeine free was 6 weeks and I still felt like a zombie. I only have 200mg of caffeine a day as well. It’s a powerful drug. I hear people take 6 months to feel normal energy after quitting.

[@mariusgmail670]

2:47 talks about rich piana?

[@mikemains2999]

Well said.

[@frankbailey7337]

Can you let us know what you think about natural stimulant like coffee, green tea, yet a mate?

[@frankbailey7337]

Yerba mate*