Why I Hate the Dream and Ink Fight (UTMV Video Essay)

[@KJBurbankVA]

Honestly!!!

[@purpledshadow]

I personally always interpreted the Ink & Dream’s dynamic as them being friends, but Ink being a bit blunt / lacking social cues, with this combined with Dream’s constant stress of having to travel through AUs all the time to avoid & fight Nightmare while wanting to save as many people as possible, leading up to the fight after witnessing Ink not helping a scripted gen0cide AU. But in my interpretation, Dream remembers Ink’s vials & the risk of how interrupting scripts could cause enough damage to them to possibly cause those AUs to collapse (just like in Underverse) so Dream apologizes to Ink. The way I would actually solve their fight though is to have them talk & still work together. But Dream realizes that (as much as he wants to) he just simply can’t save everyone in every timeline or AU, even from Nightmare. Dream still keeps saving others, but remembers that he can’t save everyone, while Ink (& Swap) works with Dream occasionally & reminds him when to take breaks to take care of himself. As for Jael’s interpretation, I think Ink’s smile is actually Cross’s POV of imagining what Ink probably acted like. From Cross’s POV in 0.6 at the time, Ink used him from the beginning & is fine siding with XGaster (before finding out that wasn’t the case in 0.7). ALSO YAY A DREAMTALE VIDEO!!

[@Cooling_Rosa]

I love this and the Jael theory. You always give the best comments on these!! Thank you!!❤

[@purpledshadow]

@@Cooling_Rosa YW!!!! Also do you have any thoughts on Drink (Dream X Ink), Crink (Cross X Ink), Dreamberry (Dream X Swap Sans) Star Sanses Poly, etc (if any)? I’m starting to really love Drink & the potential of Star Sanses Poly

[@Cooling_Rosa]

@@purpledshadow my fav ship in the fandom is drink- which I know…shows a bias…but they are also my fav platonic dynamic too. Wish more people enjoyed them too. I don’t tend to actually ship a lot of stuff unless it’s for content, so Drink, errormare, and colorkiller are the only few i genuinely consume content of. As for the others, they are cute!! I like all ships as long as they’re not problematic.

[@Kawf._.is-trash]

@@Cooling_Rosa bro idk you but - hello fellow shipper!!! (Srry if i rant a bit lol) Dude idk how to say this but i felt like i was hit by a semi-truck when i saw the word “errormare” trust me i support it but i can’t stop having the mindset of “This ship sucks” 😭 and i can’t even judge because i ship the worst ones. Like KILLERMARE?? And errorink???? 😭🙏 (Killer canonically is nightmare’s slave and afraid of nightmare. Ink and error doesn’t even know each other) Btw - Nice video!! I love it!!

[@orianefaton1885]

Personally, I like thinking that before Dream accepted the "you cannot save everyone", Ink had the very stressful duty to force Dream (and later Blue) to retreat. Like, he sees they are losing, have to rush to Dream and throw him in a portal to avoid Nightmare killing Dream (possibly get hurt by Nightmare by forcing Dream out of the Au) then has to rush to get Blue and throw him out too before he forget him or he gets killed (because Blue cannot teleport out). And, he can't do this the other way, because if you take out Blue's positivity, Dream may just collapse before Ink reach him. (but it makes him very predictable when the Star are losing) and he has to deal with an upset Dream (and depending on his personnality, Blue) about Ink forcing them to retreat and "abandonning" the AU to Nightmare (and possibly being also blamed by other people, when Ink basically did Dream's job as their leader of saying "we need to retreat because the battle is lost, so there is no point fighting anymore. We will save this place another time"). Though, if Ink is injured, I doubt they would scream at him and be forced to recognise they were losing. Like, before Dream matured enough, he is a figurehead of a leader, because Ink is forced to make the difficult choices because Dream barely dares even considering them. Which may even be part of the reason behind the argument with Dream. (not saying it necessarily happen all the time, because there likely are moments the Star wins) And, then, there are the times Ink doesn't show up to fight Nightmare, because he is doing some other Protector duties (worst case scenario, one that Dream and Blue didn't know about before or one Ink cannot talk about for whatever reason)

[@flowerflour5257]

The warning at the start makes me remember the 6 page shattered dream smacking DOC and the 20 page "Dream is not a Mary sue" one. I feel you.

[@ItsyourbestfrinendCRIMSON]

As a writer myself, I think the whole villainizing one person thing. Comes from Wanting one person to be the right one, and the other to be the wrong one. Even if you like the villainized characters a lot. I found myself getting in this trap, Many times in the past. Where I favorited one character in an argument and just villainize the other. Instead of thinking about what Both characters perspectives. Which I do A lot more now.

[@StarryEuthymia]

whenever i see the dream/ink ****throwdown**** my brain automatically goes "THE GIRLS ARE FIGGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!"

[@ch3rry904]

Im actually so glad you made this video!! Ive never really seen anyone properly adress this fight beyond it just being there in certain fan works

[@50shadesofmidnight]

I haven't watched the entire video yet, but the funniest (/sarcasm) thing to me about the Dream and Ink fight is that it happened because Joku was mad Comyet didn't want to make drink canon to their(?) version of Ink That was it Them fighting was Joku's retaliation ;w;

[@Cooling_Rosa]

I didn’t wanna mention this due to having no concrete evidence of this besides hearsay, but even if it happened, Comyet and Joku have made up and both agreed on this plot point! So all good there!

[@50shadesofmidnight]

@@Cooling_Rosa Ah okay That's fair I just remember a bit of it, so most of it is fuzzy since it happened when I was really little lol I've been told about it a bunch of times tho

[@JulieKc-g6s]

Absolutely love this! I am so happy there is somebody who understands those things, becuse i was always so torn by how black and white characters in the Underverse fandom are seen, even though most of them are actully well written. Great video like always❤

[@foxliasgriffinYT]

i havent been in the undertale sans au fandom in ages why am i here helppp

[@orianefaton1885]

In my opinion, I think the fight was "necessary". Because, for me, while Ink doesn't have to change his way of doing his work, it is also important that Dream does affirm he cares about everyone out in the Multiverse. (this is the only "good thing" but I agree on the fact Dream would be a hypocrite if he doesn't realise that he is doing the same thing as the villagers did to Nightmare, to Ink). For me, Ink should have the mindset of "I don't stop good things of the script from happening, so I should not stop the bad things either", which is a certain form of fairness in my opinion when it comes to his job. (the same as how he doesn't give favor treatment to his love ones about the script). For me, the fight should happen when Dream isn't fully mature. It would be part of the growth of Dream and be something, that even Ink agrees, is necessary for Dream to see things this way, as the guardian of postivity and embodiment of everyone's feelings. You could even add to this another layer of : Dream learning, due to the fight, that he has some influence in the Multiverse, because people of the Multiverse would, for most of them, likely side with Dream, isolating Ink, despite this never being Dream's intentions. This can be reenforced due to other things, from Ink's canon. Like his family and what we know about the relationship in it. For my case, I am targetting Undertop Sans and Gaster (let's call Gaster "Top" and Sans "Tam", since he is a tamer). We are told Top and Tam have a tense relationship because of the code manipulation of Top and other things. This very rocky father-son relationship is made even more estranged by Ink's arrival in the family, as Tam thinks Ink is the "perfect son" that Top wants Tam to be, which isn't true, but it is likely that Tam doesn't listen. He may be avoiding Ink, and whenever his adoptive brother tries to explain and fix things, Tam may actually snap and scream at him and all. And, Undertop's creator kinda implied that Top and Tam need to talk, before Ink to be accepted in the family, especially by Tam. And those fights may results in Ink, maybe even having picked up very bad habits for arguments with people that are supposed to be close. For example, not actually trying to correct people about him, especially when they don't appear to be in a state where they can listen to him (which may even be a way older bad habit of Ink that he either doesn't care to rectify people misunderstanding of him or concider it a waste of time), maybe avoiding people like this when he sees/thinks the issue cannot be fixed in the first place (so for my example, he may avoid his adoptive brother because he doesn't want to be glared at or worse and after the argument, avoid Dream, rather than coming back when he is calmer, to explain himself). Dream can be fully unaware of some of those bad habits too, having maybe never really noticed Ink doing it in the first place and needing someone else to say it to him (making him realise this is kinda like with Nightmare, all over again). Because, if Ink doesn't try to clear up misunerstanding or explain himself, is bad at apologising and all those things, then create a problem the fight "fester" hence leading to the falling out with Blue likely seeing all of it with, hopefully for all, a clear view of the situation and having to act as a mediator between his friends to make them understand (well, especially Dream, I think) that they don't do the same job and as a result, they need to find a compromise between each other.

[@orianefaton1885]

Going further with Blue's role : Blue, unlike Dream, may be aware of some of Ink's bad habits, sometimes, maybe even the cause of them. Example of this : Let's suppose the Blue of the Stars is the one of Error's ask-blog. Ink would have likely been questionned by either Blue or his brother as to why he didn't show up. It can range from "it was part of the script of your world, so I didn't feel that anything was wrong" to "Error imitated the g*no ending so well the Judge thought this was what was happening and you expect me, from outside your world, to realise it isn't the case ?" and Ink maybe having to rectify some of the US brothers misconceptions about his work, maybe in part, as a show of good will or because... well, they bothered to ask, unlike some who just assume (which is how you get people shocked by the realisation Ink is soulless. Everyone assumed he had a soul, he never bothered to tell them they were wrong). Ink may also have seeked out some advices about his relationship with his brother from the US sibling, because they are one of the only healthy sibling relationship he can seek advices from. (Ink barely interact with anyone, after all. He cannot ask Error because they are ennemy, he can't ask Dream because he has enough on his plate, same for Core, added onto the fact that we do not know whether Core even had a sibling...). And, as the brothers would frequently hear about how it went, they may pick up Ink to be very non-confrontional with his adoptive brother and Blue may realises this trait, also was there in the fight with Dream, but Dream didn't know. Because he wasn't the friend Ink turned toward for advice. Because Ink never even told him about his brother or introduced his family, because of all the drama (like, if you have this kind of drama in your family, I think you find it more awkward to invite friends over) But, in term of moral, he is likely to side more with Dream. However, he may be able to recognise that there is more and first hear out Ink's side, then trying to hear Dream, figure out the situation and then coming up with a possible way to help. (which may or may not be complicated by Dream maybe being stuborn and Ink possibly being busy with his own work)

[@orianefaton1885]

As for "Ink being busy"... Depending on the Multiverse, I wanna remind he has to do those : 1. Fight Error when he destroys (may extend to other Destroyers like Infected and Fatal_Error). 2. Protect Positivity and Negativity (as in, avoid Dream and Nightmare actually destroying those for good and preventing people from feeling one or the other ever again). 3. Help Creators create AUs. 4. Make sure the Aus are following the script (given how many Aus there are, this one alone would be very time consumming). 5. Patrol with the Star Sans and whatever other activities with them (including, fighting Nightmare's gang, maybe helping in the Omega Timeline). 6. Collect the paints to store them up for later. 7. Likely repairing after the different fights he has to do. Possibly : 8. Working as a tailor in Undertop. 9. Fight Artblocks (literally, as in his very first canon, they were actual things that appeared and that he was fighting, so he may still be doing that somewhere. Whether people know, your choice). 10. Fixing glitches in the codes ? (like those created by Hacker Frisk for example). 11? Insert any other ideas creators have came up with in the long list of Ink's duties. In case of Balance Multiverse : 12? May have to help Reaper tracking Reapertale Chara who is likely the one disturbing the Balance of Life and Death (so they are a threat to the Multiverse and he can't ignore them) 13? Help to bring back Life ? If, and I say IF, Ink is lucky, he may have colleagues that can help in some of those things. So, yeah, it would be reasonnable to say that Ink... "may" be busy and not have time. (and whether or not Dream, or anyone else, know about this stupidly long list is also worthy of debate)

[@Way2windy4u]

THANK TOU! THANK YOUUUUU😭. Genuinely both characters are so complex, I’m so happy that someone made a video about this!

[@idkanymore488]

Bro i just opened my phone and get jumpscared by this video im not upset but rosa is putting out content like crazy keep up the work though loving these commentary vids

[@Cooling_Rosa]

Road to 6k!! I’m fighting for it!

[@trashquarter]

Finally sat down and watched this and OH MY DAYS, I absolutely LOVE your perspective on Dream's character and how that affects his friendship with Ink overall!! Dream being a hypocrite isn't something that's ever crossed my mind before, so it was super interesting to hear you talk about it. overall tysm so much for making this video!!

[@orianefaton1885]

But this prove the blindspot the fandom (and likely the Multiverse) have with Dream. He is kinda treated as a saint that can do no wrong in a lot of stories (at least, not willingly. If he cause harm, it is through ignorance, most of the time... which, isn't bad, don't get it wrong). But, if the argument between Ink and Dream happened in a place where people could hear them, or that the people of the multiverse hear about the fight, the likelyhood they would side with Dream is really high. (Especially for those that Ink has either "failed" or for those with big stereotype/discrimination on how soulless being are like, as in soulless = Flowey and equivalent), which would isolate Ink, even if I doubt it was ever Dream's intention. Which is a way to make him grow by realising, they aren't just two friends fighting, but a soulless protector, that is blunt and bad with social things, whose most of his work is actually out of the sight of people (heck, you only see Ink if things are wrong and he has to fix it !) while Dream is seen as this kind, caring and loving god-like monster dedicated to make people happy and fighting for them. I wonder who the people would side with /s.

[@Wardtales]

I feel so bad you have to do that warning but I get why you had to! And I agree with you on Dream and Ink.

[@Cooling_Rosa]

I’m glad it’s understandable. I do genuinely believe the dreamtale fans and Joku have matured over the years, but I still wanna be cautious. Joku never spoke a lot of English and was autistic , so passive aggression was always their first assumption. If they stumble upon my video, I hope that warning shows I mean no harm!

[@a_random_guy7080]

I love watching these videos because i dont really understand the characters well and when you describe them i feel i actually gain a sense of who they truly are. Especially with ink

[@Soursoda_fizzzz]

Stop the beginning 😭🙏- also I loved this:D I love listening to ppl ramble XD

[@pastelaspirations]

THANK YOU. I guess I am fortunate in that I... have not seen much content of Ink being treated like an absolute villain and people ignoring how big of a hypocrite that Dream was in their fight? It is either I just surround myself with content I actually *like* and just hit the back button on the stuff I don't, or I live under a rock lmao. B u t. Maaaan, I could go on and on about how much I dislike people completely villainizing Ink for being soulless, but I'm trying to keep this comment to a reasonable length, so I'll refrain. But the argument, I agree so much, man. I am also a prime believer that Ink and Dream best friend duo = actual peak fiction. So, I don't agree with people that their friendship would just... end forever after the fight? Especially because neither of them was in the complete wrong. I just don't see Dream not being able to see the hypocrisy in his side of the argument, so him not forgiving Ink is at best, out of character, and actively cruel and vindictive at worst. This gets worse if we consider *when* it happened. If they had the fight before Dream was aware of why Ink protects the AUs and his point of view, then it makes more sense. But because I see both of them as caring and kind people, I think that eventually, they would have a talk, come to understand each other's views, and patch their friendship up. If it happens *after* Dream is aware of Ink's side and how he's essentially forced into being the protector of the AUs, whether he wants to or not depending on the story, and *after* Dream had seen Ink break down and everything, then it just makes Dream seem c r u e l. At best, it's just out of character. At worst, it implies Dream does not *care* that Ink is essentially forced into something he never chose and is hating him for something he, quite literally, cannot help. Add on the hating him for being soulless/having to use vials, it just... gives Dream the vibe of being a horrible, unfeeling, borderline ableist hypocrite and I just don't see him that way. That's why if/when I write it, I either just imply it or not address it at all. Because to me, their fight was such a nonissue in the long run. S u r e, they could have fought, but I see their friendship being so strong, that they would have eventually reconciled and be the best of friends again. :D I honestly don't see any way for their friendship to be broken forever, not how I personally envision them and thus write them. Usually, when I write stuff, the fight had already happened and they made up a looong time ago, or the fight never happened at all because it seems... *really* out of character for Dream to have the fight after knowing Ink's side of the story and seeing him breakdown. SORRY FOR THE LONG COMMENT. I just had a lot to say lmao. Mostly because I like. I don't know, man. When I see people basically acting like Ink was solely in the wrong in that fight, my face falls into such a flat annoyance and I hit the back button so quickly. As much as I love Underverse, that was one of the aspects I would criticize about it lol. I just don't see Ink being that unfeeling and callous to Dream, especially if they were friends. (I am aware that I'm biased since Ink is like. My freaking muse and my ideas of how he would act can easily influence whether I fall in love with a piece of media or give it a pretty big side-eye lol)

[@Cooling_Rosa]

I loved this comment! I agree wholeheartedly!!

[@RoseWithThorns1985]

Real tho. For me they had this fight and it broke them apart for a bit but then they found things were hard to do or say without eachother so they tried to fix it. Right now dream is trying to be less narcissist and is just trying to heal trauma with inks help. Dream is not only narcissistic but is a perfectionist in my au. That doesnt mean dream is a bad guy in my au, dream can be a loving sweetheart. Ink is just coming to mind about other people even though at the same time he knows if someone close left forever he'd still have to do his job, hes trying to hold those he can close. Ink has and issue with expression for me as he can choose what he feels total each day with his vials so he'll drink less blue and more yellow to hide what he feels. Also amazing vid ❤ (sorry about the rant)

[@TheMultiverseArtist]

Wait WHAT DREAM AND INK FIGHT?!! WHAT DID I MISS

[@TheMultiverseArtist]

I looked it up so now I’m cultured and can voice my opinion, I wish more people would make ink a chaotic neutral character instead of making him either pure good or pure evil

[@flowerflour5257]

Frfr. Unfortunately, it is just really hard to grasp neutrality. Specially with Ink, who gets involved instead of being a bystander (obv talking outside of the aus)​@TheMultiverseArtist

[@TheTiredestArtist1102]

I love Essays about fandoms I enjoy :] 👍

[@clemenciaangel6168]

How can I explain to Ink I will still creat for him and never get bored !!! (my child self screaming right now 😭)

[@Non-Stop_Doodler]

Those who fight are in love!! Or whatever kids say idk los que se pelean se aman

[@nusratkader1343]

Dream and inks fight is honestly dumb. I see dream and inks dynamic as normal besties. If u have yk friendship has up and down. I FRICKIN hate when people make him a evil villain. In my eye hes morally grey. Hes burnt out. And his autistic and ik how they act. And dream in my new tries hes best to help ink. Yes, they can get into fights but its your typical family friend. He knows about ink vials and he know he can't blane him tor he's promblem. Dream has hes own flaws and doesn't realize that he's not getting better. He tries his best to help everyone without caring about himself much. He's full of guilt after the apple incident . But he's sometimes acts a bit too controling. Honestly yes, dream can be a jerk sometimes. Hes also grey in my opinion. In my own multiverse, yes they had a fight but they made up. It took time. Dream understood hes flaws and inks promblem abt the vials and creator. And ink tries hes best to help him. So they dont have a perfect friendship but they try. The fight shouldn't have been a argument than a fight. They both needed this argument to understand eachother. They had a honest conversation. Dream is ink only friend that understands him and ink is the ink yhe only one who understands who he is. So kinda they needed a wake up call. The fight just makes me so sad.There friendship is my favorite and seeing a lot contact abt them being rival or yk hurts me.Making them fall out is kinda out of character. Honestly its complicated. The fandom just doesnt understand certain characters. Thank you so much for making yhis video rosa. I loved it and i am to know that you also dont like the whole fight.

[@jamiethecringequeen]

i think every Sans AU is morally gray

[@nusratkader1343]

@jamiethecringequeen hmmhm. I don't find anyone who's morally white.

[@OnlySayori]

the idea of ink sans being evil in any way is stupid cause of what his purpose is, hes seems to be what should be the complete definition of just morally grey

[@dylandelahaie7800]

Except he's literally not Evil in Underverse.

[@Gltchy_3rr0r]

I have actually scene multiple underverse aus/alts with the Dream and Ink fight that I used to think that it was actually canon until I actually looked more into them and found even more stuff out and with you I didn’t even know some of the things until I found out some facts from you so thank you and have a great day/night. :3❤

[@PACHINKO-j2r]

THE DROP OF ROSA DRINK ART??? GIMME

[@Cooling_Rosa]

ITS ON MY YT!!!

[@l0wkey_0sii25]

YES ANOTHER VIDEO ESSAY LET'S GO

[@jesus_fox4919]

Yeah... the Dream and Ink fight is canon...

[@ChimeraLotietheBunny]

Oh this is interesting

[@Fa_deSonic]

First. Edit:According to canon,in Dreamtale,Dream can bring his brother's conscience without killing,but the chance is very small.

[@purpledshadow]

That was kinda retconned though since Joku has later on stated that Passive died when he ate the apple & Dream matured and realized that.

[@Fa_deSonic]

​​​@@purpledshadowWhen was that stated? Joku,when planning to make the Dreamtale series,told someone that she couldnt answer if Passive could be brought back,meaning he can,the series wasnt released due to her leaving the fandom

[@purpledshadow]

@Fa_deSonic In tumblr back in 2021. Xxtha also confirmed this (Joku stated that Xxtha’s analysis docs & anything they say regarding Dreamtale is canon) & stated that anything stated in 2017 - 2018 is retconned.

[@Fa_deSonic]

​​@@purpledshadowAnd when did Joku leave the fandom? Also,Xxtha said that but there are also some canon wiki back in 2021 that did contain canon information,and said that Nightmare(Passive)'s conscience CAN be brought back without killing him.

[@purpledshadow]

@Fa_deSonic The last Dreamtale related video they posted was around 2022. They showed a photo of a bit of new merch in 2024 & stated that Killer is canon to Dreamtale in 2024 as well. They make Hazbin Hotel content rn tho.

[@Blank-un3xz]

Isn’t the emotions that ink feels are just pretend, like I am pretty sure in one of comyet asks ink is just pretending with his emotions

[@Blank-un3xz]

Like he can’t feel genuine emotions, he can’t feel love or anything He is just playing pretend

[@franklyn8775]

That's not true, it's actually stated in canon that Ink is able to feel emotions due to the vials effects. And this is also said in Underverse (check 0.7 part 1)

[@wdg2384]

​​​​​​@@franklyn8775 and that's what they mean by pretending, the vials are the reason he feels in the first place, and without them he becomes numb, unable to feel ANYTHING at all to the severe point that he doesn't even have survival instincts, his real soul was ripped apart a very long time ago by himself in an attempt to end his own existence Ink is practically "good" because he can, and because he can he will, but strip him of the only source of emotions then he potentially becomes a Flowey except for the part of survival instincts Ink can be interpreted as how people feel him to be like as his original writer made him a pseudo-blank canvas that can only feel due to creation caused by creators, doomed to be flawed in exchange of being existent, and he feels only because we allow him The longest game of pretending in existence

[@Blank-un3xz]

@ Correct :D

[@yanninajoven303]

Actually, Comyet stated that his feelings are real, however he doesn't have a soul, the vials help him to pretend to have a soul, he believes his emotions aren't real though, the soul lacking thing means he has problem getting the whole spectrum of emotions, vials are like medication, not to fake them but to help him feel.

[@GracieEnos]

The repetitiveness of 'honestly' in the beginning 😭🙏

[@bananabat-yes]

The beginning💀💀💀💀💀

[@Call_Me_Phe0b3]

22:58 WILL DO 🫡🫡🫡

[@GhostJester_Cat23]

Yessss

[@UniToonieSimpinOnSkeles]

Okay! So I've been getting into listening these, and as an Ink hater, this'd open up a different perspective. It was a perspective I always knew existed, and trowd to understand, but couldn't really. I'm thinking of how to add this information for my own AU and for the dynamic of my own Multiverse where I switch up a few things ^^ Not as much as your own AU, but just adding myself in to try and help the brothers, y'know? Anyway, I wanna try and get Ink's...‘feeling’ to perspective and I really do find him interesting but I just never really liked him, especially since the XEvent happened..

[@anastasishatzakis5752]

Could someone help me understand something? I’ve been getting into the Undertale fandom again and I’m interested. Is this video about Underverse, the series by Jael? I suppose not. If not, who’s writing this canon? Is there even a canon since multiple people are writing it? Unless I’m missing something? Basically, where does canon for UTMV come from?

[@sheepysnowtato824]

Undertale AUs are made by different people in the fan community. Underverse, and Xtale, which is directly connected to Underverse, is made by Jael, and it incorporates AU characters that other people made. Cause people like making stories where the fan characters interact with each other \:D/

[@anastasishatzakis5752]

@@sheepysnowtato824 Follow up question, if you don’t mind. So the fight that is being mentioned here and the canon is the canon of Underverse?

[@darklight1171]

​@anastasishatzakis5752I believe so? Most likely is the case.

[@justcam5747]

Underverse exists as its own distinct canon, separate from other continuities. The "canon" for a character is determined by their creator-for instance, Joku owns the Dreamtale AU, so if Joku declared that Dream is allergic to pineapple, it would be canon to the official version of Dream. However, canon often becomes messy and difficult to track, especially since much of it is shared on Tumblr, which has an infamously poor search function. As a result, many fans create their own versions of canon by picking and choosing details shared by the creator to form their own interpretations. For example, someone could choose to ignore Joku's statement about Dream being allergic to pineapple and instead decide that it's his favorite food.

[@sheepysnowtato824]

@anastasishatzakis5752 I'm typing up a big reply, hold on. I don't mind at all, just worried about sending links cause KZbin might Thanos snap my comment once I try to send it XD

[@SamuLie]

What really made me stop enjoying Underverse is the simple fact Ink was written as a Sociopath. In my story called UnderBeyond one I've been writing for 7yrs I've written ink as an Autistic who began without a soul but overtime as the Blank canvas he literally was. He grew to obtain a Soul and his desire to protect other worlds, with some hint of autism in there cause let's face it. He was alone for God knows how long so he had to develop emotions and a Philosophy entirely by himself without understanding pretty much anything off rip and that "Empty void" in himself. While also coming across evil people like Error which might I add despite being the DESTROYER of worlds literally does nothing in UnderVerse. In UnderBeyond every single time we see Error someone will absolutely die no question and if someone doesn't their will be wide spread destruction on a scale like no other that spans over several worlds just trying to stop them. Ink is the guardian of creation, the literal closest thing to a stand in for the creators themselves yet you wanna make them a sociopathic villain interested in only making things interesting for the sake of it? Can we just leave Ink and Dream alone and let them be themselves? The only thing I did with Dream was give them an actual fear one that makes sense with their character that being His fear in killing someone. So because of this fear until it's conquered he quite literally can't conjure an attack that is capable of dealing fatal dmg and his main weapon are Gauntlets, for the added bonus joke that Dream will knock your ass right to sleep and make you see stars. I also made it so Ink doesn't actually use a MASSIVE PAINTBRUSH like I get it but it's so fricking big. So I gave him a Pen instead and because he's a sorta stand in for the creator aka me and you I wanted to represent a "Writers" aspect through Ink something like. The Pen is mighter then the sword it has no limitations, but not only that Ink will absolutely just whip out random bs. You will absolutely See Ink whip out a comically large spoon from out of absolutely no where just to wack the ever loving shit out of Error. Why? Funni:3 Nightmare- Nightmare is just straight up terrifying, their is a lot of Horror in UnderBeyond and it's because UnderTale itself has alot of Horror/Body horror and psychological horror elements all throughout it and I just went balls to the walls with it using Nightmare. In conclusion I took what made each and every character great and simply expanded upon them while keeping true to their original design while also tweaking a few bits, UnderBeyond does have a Plot yes but it's entirely character driven and I will not deviate from that fact. I also just give them actual dialogue because whenever I see Sans talk of any variety it's so unimaginably strange and I'm like. Can they just? Talk like normal people?

[@SamuLie]

Also the Main character my Sans Despair is the connective Glue that keeps Ink and Dream together. Because if they don't work together Nightmare will Win and upset the balance between Positivity and Negativity forever Allowing Nightmare to become The Dark Lord of The Multiverse. Nightmare wants Despair as he is the only one who's be able to manage suppressing the corruption and he wants to break them in order to make them in a Night Terror, one to control and feed off. Ink and Dream NEED to protect Despair especially with the fact Error is there to shake things up and wants to break Despair as well. It just works- it literally just works because the characters are allowed to be whoever the hell they want to be

[@SamuLie]

I honestly could go on and on and on about UnderBeyond, but truthfully All I gotta say is It's my Love Letter to UnderTale and everything it has inspired. I love it's stories, I love absolutely everything about it and it literally saved my life. To see people equally inspired by it as much as I was to the point they made entire stories from it spiraling into actual creationism insanity is just absolutely bonkers to me and I wanna recreate that wonder and amazement

[@SamuLie]

I'm also pulling the most UnderTale thing ever and that's by bringing people together to help me bring my story to life. I'm just a writer, I'm no musician or artist, but I've came across such talented passionate people who want to help me and I just absolutely love that. It's so UnderTale it hurts and I love it so much, I don't wanna be seen as the one who made it all even if I Did write absolutely everything and made the story itself, but these aren't my characters. It won't be my art, it won't be my music or anything I'm just the writer. But I do not care in the slightest because in the end all those unimaginably talented people will get the attention they deserve and I will finally FINALLY express the story I've always wanted to tell and show the world through the help of everyone. It's so UnderTale it hurts😭🙏

[@melissaquinn1463]

⁠@@SamuLie Skipping down to the third reply, I absolutely get that. As someone recently pulled back fully into the fandom, I couldn’t help but admire people’s work and make my own, hoping one day it’ll be admired too. Like my Battle Scars AU on Ao3, the base is ‘canon + human lore - the player’ with the prompt ‘lore not worldbuilding’. Which I’m sure someone else has done already, but Stardust Fragments already has ~500 hits with only one stupid long chapter, and it makes me happy and motivated. Then you also have Promised Patience, not released yet, in which I take my revived Soul characters and chuck them into the multiverse to see how they grow. Sylvia, the Soul of Patience, is thrust into Dreamtale, and, to put it mildly, is pissed at how everything in the town has been to that point. And as a Priestess, she’s going to do everything in her power to fix it, even if it takes a lifetime. The base of this one is Dreamtale’s comic + the theme of ‘fate’ from FTFO + some changes I made to flesh out the world or characters. Ex A: I let the world know of its fate in a rumored prophecy, not many know the full thing, but Nightmare does, and it’s the reason he’s held on for a century. Ex B: Dream and Nightmare are on Dreamtale for a century longer than they should be, and taking a few cues from FTFO, it’s been fun trying to figure out their attitudes and dynamics. It’s fun just being in this fandom again. And I know it’s a 80% chance this reply doesn’t go through and is deleted by KZbin, but I had to say it.

[@SamuLie]

@@melissaquinn1463 𝘨𝘰𝘵 𝘢 𝘥𝘪𝘴𝘤𝘰𝘳𝘥? :0

[@NatsumiGachaTuber]

Oh you're right, you dont want to mess with Dreamtale simps...like me... but I respect your opinion....

[@SCM_DUSTER_ALEX_G]

Potato :)

[@5eyoshi]

Another upload??

[@Mint_blue143]

Smh, honestly