Why I hate the Veritas MK II Deluxe Honing Guide

[@HewAndAwe]

...and here we go! 🃏

[@ericerf6837]

A fan of a certain football KZbinr with this ‘here we go’?!

[@HewAndAwe]

@@ericerf6837 No, was a quote from a Batman film hence the Joker emoji 👍

[@MorningNapalm]

I have the Veritas II as well, and while I can use it and it does the job, I can definitely confirm that it is too easy for the blade to slip. I am thinking what I can do about it, short of buying a new jig...

[@HewAndAwe]

@@MorningNapalm not a lot I’m afraid, especially if you’re tooling is hard steel needing more pressure 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@dcphill24728]

My Veritas Mk II honing guide work’s fantastic. No issues whatsoever. Had it for years and use once per week and sharpening from high end plane blades to cheep chisels. Extremely consistent results. Best sharpening guide I’ve ever used. I would not buy anything else

[@HewAndAwe]

As you can see from the comments most wouldn’t agree.

[@williamwinn948]

@@HewAndAwe I also own the Veritas MK II and paid $60 new, years back no problems either.

[@jakelilevjen9766]

I love mine, too. Great to set up and get consistent results.

[@DAVIDMILLER-nc9vo]

I love my Veritas Mk II honing guide. No problems. Hew and Awe's problem with it: 1. Poorly machined guide? 2. Poor technique?

[@markcourtney7251]

Love mine as well, never had any problems with it

[@enochpage1333]

Thank you so much for your review of the set. I bought both and was relieved to find a workable solution to Lie-Nelson and Veritas, both of which were beyond my reach and posed problems.

[@HewAndAwe]

You’re welcome, if I had my way I’d buy the woodpeckers version but they don’t sell it anymore 😏

[@totoffe6234]

Bonjour pouvez vous me faire un retour pour me dire si les rouleaux en laiton de votre guide sont libre ou fixe car j'ai reçu le même model de chez Temu et mes rouleaux sont fixe est donc s'use la pierre et bien sur sa fonctionne pas. merci d'avance pour votre retour.

[@johnhutton5079]

Love your straight talking no nonsense approach tell it how it towards tools

[@HewAndAwe]

Cheers John! Hope you had a wicked weekend! 🍻😊🍻

[@totoffe6234]

Bonjour le guide que vous présentez à 5:06 de chez Banggood pouvez vous me dire si les rouleaux en laiton roule sur la pierre ou sont fixe, j'ai reçu de chez Temu le même model et les rouleaux sont fixe et donc s'use sur la pierre et bien attendu ne fonctionne pas merci d'avance pour votre retour.

[@Rover2430]

I've never had a problem with Veritas 2. Each to their own!

[@HewAndAwe]

Many of the comments agree.

[@Rover2430]

I might have been lucky with the manufacture of my Veritas 2. I've never had a slippage issue and only have to tighten the clamp with finger pressure. I'm sharpening maybe once a week though, which isn't as much as many people have to. I'll keep my fingers crossed!@@HewAndAwe

[@HewAndAwe]

@@Rover2430 I can’t help but wonder if the issue was caused by people putting mortise chisels in which 95% don’t have parallel sides.

[@TheWolfHowls]

I actually had the Veritas system in my basket when I came across your video. I emptied my basket and jumped onto the Bangood site. An additional bonus was that they had a flash sale on so including shipping to France worked out at just over 36 Euros. A steal.

[@HewAndAwe]

I can’t seem to sell my veritas jig even for 50 quid with all the bits 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@nosreuter]

Same here! Had been back and forth about the BG one and kept feeling it was pricey when you add the setup plate. So I figured I could just as well go for Veritas even though I had seen "Hooked on wood" making a comparison to the benefit of this BG jig. When I searched for the best price on the Veritas jig this video appeared from nowhere and I'm really glad it did, thank you so much sir!

[@philaandrew100]

Never had any issues with mine... I did lash out and buy 3 setups so I have one for chisels, plane irons and scrub irons.

[@HewAndAwe]

I didn’t know there was an adapter for scrub irons 🤦🏻‍♂️ I’m gonna have to have a look for that can’t imagine how it works.

[@philaandrew100]

@@HewAndAwe I use the cambered roller for scrubs.. Sorry I was a bit vauge with my description😁

[@rickhickman2730]

I'm with you. I have had issues with both the side clamping honing guide, and the full mk.ii setup. Considering going banggood. Thank you for the honest review. The banggood gave a good perpendicular honed edge? No skewing like the Veritas kit, right?

[@HewAndAwe]

Correct but be warned a lot of mortise chisels are tapered 👍

[@Kar0n]

I saw the woodpecker one with o-rings to prevent the wheels from wearing out. Would it be possible to file some larger groves in them without a lathe?

[@HewAndAwe]

I wouldn’t worry about it, but yeah I guess if you have a pillar drill you could mount the wheels in that and used a round file. But I wouldn’t bother their fine as is.

[@GravelRat]

Yeah, I agree.. tried and tried, but it kept slipping and the central wheel was a silly design. So I did what you did. … moved to the Bangood sharpener… ABSOLUTELY PERFECT…

[@HewAndAwe]

Banggood have brought a improved version out recently 👍

[@GravelRat]

​@@HewAndAwe Yep thats the one I purchased... And Im with you on leather strops . they roubd over .. MDF does the job absolutely... marketing hype gets in the way of good results

[@flatlander523]

I went through the same pain you did with all the others until I got the Woodpecker system. Bang on system. Although yours is missing the rubber tires that go in the grooves of the wheels. They keep the wheels from sliding on the stone and getting flat spots.

[@HewAndAwe]

I’ve heard other people say this, how on earth are they getting flat spots on the wheels? I’ve had this jig for yonks now and I’m not experiencing any of that.

[@TheWeekendWoodshop]

I bought the one off Banggood and after a month-ish of use I am a little disappointed by a few things. One) if it use to come with the depth gauge then it no longer does and the website makes it "appear" as though it does come as a set. Since there are no instructions you have to do some trial and error to set the chisel/planer blade to get the right angle. II) The jig doesn't hold the chisel/knife worth a $hit. Like the Veritas one it will loosen once you apply pressure to your stone or paper. And C) The rollers are pretty soft, while I haven't experienced it "yet" I have seen others that are reporting that they develop flat spots pretty rapidly and new rollers are (again according to others) difficult to source. I appreciate your video and how you set your sharpening station up. I also appreciate your edit to your description about how things have changed since you published your video. I echo your sentiment to probably avoid this product going forward...now to search for a better option. Cheers Ben! 🍻

[@HewAndAwe]

It’s all a mess mate, the one I had was fine, till I knocked it off the bench and bent the bars, I managed to bent it back to work but then when I used it days later was on the piss. So a mate bought one for me to replace and I noticed straight away it wasn’t cutting the chisel square, so I asked in my WhatsApp group if anyone was having issues they said no, so I started a fight with banggood which is still going on. Addressing the other points flat spot I can only imagine that’s a user issue, if the wheels are rolling how would a flat spot happen, if you lock up your brakes you flat spot the tyre same deal. The locking I defo haven’t experienced that but I did make the screw driver which cranks it right down. Other than that if it’s not holding a mortise chisel most of them aren’t square and no jig will hold those. I have used mine a lot and haven’t experienced any more problems, I think I corrected the bent rod but haven’t used it for ages. I’m sorry you’ve had these issues, I can’t really do anything to make it better, I hope banggood do the decent thing, but judging on my previous emails from them they won’t budge and just repeat themselves 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@ploppythekangaroo]

I considered this but didn't want to have to change the wheels over. Ended up getting the cheaper Veritas side clamping honing guide which has a really wide centre wheel and can clamp most things.🎉

[@HewAndAwe]

This is news to me, are you saying veritas make and eclipse style honing guide now?

[@ploppythekangaroo]

@@HewAndAwe yep. It's much better than the ten quid one I had before. Chisels don't skip, good wheel and only thirty quid Like you I looked at the complicated broad Veritas one too...too many pieces!

[@HewAndAwe]

Hmmm, does it hold a 3mm chisel though?

[@kz.irudimen]

@@HewAndAwe It does, that's why I bought it and it works well for me. It's what I wanted, an eclipse-style guide that isn't poorly made. If I was made of money I'd probably buy the Lie Nielsen with all its attachments for skew blades etc, but the veritas side clamping works well for me. I do use the provided allen key to tighten it, I keep the allen key in a hole I drilled in my wooden setup block I made for it. I don't think it's too fussy, you only have to keep track of the guide, the setup block and one key that goes with it. It's a well made eclipse guide and it works, if you think that's good for you then it's probably good.

[@TomasRosberg]

I also retired the veritas mkll in favour of the veritas side clamping jig, it's way better

[@Kar0n]

I have only the honing guide. Could not order the B part. Would you please post some of the usual protrusion measurements?

[@HewAndAwe]

I did a little Googling and found this, it’s not in metric though. www.highlandwoodworking.com/library/lie-nielsen/AngleSettingJig.pdf

[@Kar0n]

@@HewAndAwe that's a great document. Thank you!

[@vpower9232]

Can you sharpen mortise and timber frame chisels with this jig?

[@HewAndAwe]

I’ll check next time I’m in the workshop for the mortise chisels (can’t see any reason why they wouldn’t) but can’t say about framing chisels as I don’t have any. Wouldn’t the length of those be an issue in any jig like the above?

[@TheSMEAC]

I only hold on to my Veritas for skewed irons, or I’d have sold it. Works passable for irons, but a miserable bit of kit for chisels. For my money, a L-N is the best piece of gear on the planet. Can get by with two sets of jaws to do nearly everything; irons, chisels (fishtails, small, large, everything but skew), it’ll do spokeshaves too. I appreciate your pain and your review brother. For what it’s worth, Veritas received so much hate for how their system did bench chisels that they hurried the release of their own side clamping jig (which is actually pretty decent).

[@HewAndAwe]

I’ve found actually it’s the manufacturers of the chisels is more the issue, I’ve been down that rabbit hole for weeks now in the search for perfection. I’m hoping to have a vid on that next weekend of the following. Takes a looooong time the editing, 3+hours per finished minute you watch 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@MTMXBL]

i have the same honing guide, i stopped using it about 3 years ago, currently gathering dust. as review, it keeps on slipping

[@HewAndAwe]

That reminds me I must put mine on eBay! I’m glade I’m not the only one, at some points when that slipped its fucking scary cause it can come right apart and who knows where that chisel is heading! 😬

[@ArnallWoodworks]

Agree the Veritas guide takes forever to set up and then slips. Lie Nielsen guide is great and I don’t need the long jaws (even though I have them). Richard Kell guide also great for thin chisels and flat grinding but if you wasn’t to camber you can’t and if you have a wide blade the wheels are too wide for the stone. Reed Planes has a new honing guide which looks interesting but I haven’t used it.

[@HewAndAwe]

Stones are another bug bear of mine, not long enough and not wide enough 😂

[@ArnallWoodworks]

Yeah stone width can be an issue with say the Kell guide which has a wheel each side of the iron, and if you’re sharpening a >60mm wide iron. The scary sharp system solves the size issue as they come in 300mm x 105mm pieces. I’m experimenting with it at the moment.

[@FearsomeWarrior]

Sucks it hasn’t worked for you. I am able to hand tighten the knobs and it holds for over 6 years now. Sharpening this and that weekly. I think of the fiddle factor as confidence that it’s accurate. I freehand when I’m in a project and use the MK2 to correct and keep it from going wrong.

[@jcsrst]

I do the same. Mostly freehand now.

[@HewAndAwe]

I’m amazed there’s some who just hand tight the jig and it’s never failed, I mean I have to pretty much torque it down to the point I’d need a breaker bar to get it undone.

[@DLPetterson]

Ben, I finally got my new Mac book pro because my PC computer crashed. I new if I was going to watch Hew & AWE I better get something nice to watch your top notch quality show on. Now I got some catching up to do. Take care Ben keep up the great work.

[@HewAndAwe]

Oh-lovely funny I had a nightmare last night about my MacBook Pro suddenly expanded and a battery fire broke out.. must of been the cheese before dinner 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@andrewpinson1268]

In past forty years, bought everything you mentioned, oil, water, ceramic, diamond, glass, sandpaper, Veritas, Lie Nielsen, Woodpecker and a crap load of Tormek and with diamond wheels and studied every W/W and their ideas on sharpening. Yes Veritas jig sucks - good idea just not carried through with. I now use a combination but am trying hard to go the Rob Cosman way of free hand. A fortune in sharpening systems. Have lots of planes etc.

[@HewAndAwe]

…but have you tried the Sorby 😅

[@riversidewoodworks]

Great video once again Ben. I own quite a few Bangood tools as a direct result of watching your videos. Keep up the great work!

[@HewAndAwe]

Thanks mate! I hope they’re serving you well! I’m so set in my way I hardly use them especially the mitre gauge cause I have a mitre saw 🤷🏻‍♂️ but the above will defo be used, gonna sell that veritas jig!

[@DerekHansen-bq3zv]

I have one of the cheap central wheel guides but have just ordered the Banggood. Excellent video. Thanks for the honest review.

[@HewAndAwe]

Cheers mate, if I don’t catch ya in the group over the weekend I hope you have a good’n!!! 🍻😊🍻

[@graham8854]

Top tip about using honing compound with mdf. I'll give that a go. Cheers Ben 🙂

[@HewAndAwe]

Don’t go mad with the compound though 👍

[@danielgreen414]

Just picked this up for £27 from Banggood! Thanks for the heads-up.

[@HewAndAwe]

Reminds me I must sell the veritas one. Did you get the bevel guide too?

[@danielgreen414]

@@HewAndAwe looks like it's comes complete. Can you tell me what stones you'd recommend please bud.

[@HewAndAwe]

I don’t think it comes with the plate for setting it up dude, it’s just the guide they’re two separate purchases. A lot of peeps have been caught out with this 😏 for sharpening honing I use the shapton ceramic glass stones for flattening the backs/regrind I use a combo of diamond stones and the shapton 👍

[@danielgreen414]

@@HewAndAwe Oh w&ker$! Thanks again. I shouldn't be so smug in future.

[@steenfraosterbro3268]

Just bought this on the 11.11 sale (still in the mail), and also have the Veritas pos in the back of my drawer. I'm am considering the Tormek T-8 on black friday. Looks fast and easy. Surprised you didn't like that.

[@HewAndAwe]

Cause it’s not fast dude, it’s painfully slow. I can’t comment on the diamond wheel mind you, that maybe faster but I’d hate to know what that costs! I miss the tormek for my kitchen knives, nothing gets knives as sharp as a tormek, lot less edge to sharpen on a knife too. Shapton all day long for me as they’re quick, no need to soak them, just flatten and off I go, they’re painless.

[@voislavzagorac9053]

I tried this jig. In the process of returning. As others have noted, it doesn't sharpened the edge square. An absolute nightmare dealing with Banggood to get it returned for a refund. Constantly asking for videos of the issue!

[@HewAndAwe]

Every company I affiliate for asks for video, pisses me off, like I’ve all the hours free to do that shit. I tell them now if I find the tool faulty I won’t review it and I don’t send it back.

[@voislavzagorac9053]

@@HewAndAwe It could just be a bad batch. I've bought the hongdui mitre and fence after your review and initial impressions are that it's good. Seems to be highly praised by a fair few people. But the sharpening jig, not so good. To be honest, I'm more annoyed at dealing with banggood than the faulty jig! lol

[@HewAndAwe]

@voislavzagorac9053 yeah it’s for sure that, I still have mine and it’s been nearly used to death, I’ve dropped mine and repaired using another to make one, it’s still going all be it I noticed recently when I did my last review that one of the brass wheels is rather warn.

[@voislavzagorac9053]

@@HewAndAwe you can buy the wheels separately. I ordered a set of wheels when i ordered the jig.

[@HewAndAwe]

@@voislavzagorac9053 yeah I know, but then I found a Mk2 version which I reviewed and kinda don’t need it now, it’s a back up tool now ☺️

[@robertmunguia250]

So what’s the best jig to get?

[@HewAndAwe]

The one they stopped making 😔

[@richardkell4888]

Richard Kell

[@makenchips]

You can hold on paper also lightly tack down

[@HewAndAwe]

Why would I want to hold paper, you’ve lost me?

[@paulmaryon9088]

Dude, totally agree with you there, I've an old Stanley jiggy thing ..... brilliant had it for years simple to use, just like me!! Lovin your vids keep 'em comin, and take care out there, thanks for posting buddy

[@HewAndAwe]

Thank you Paul for the compliment mate! Hope you have a lovely weekend!!! 🍻😊🍻

[@andykg73]

does look a solid piece of kit and worth it if looking for a sharpening guide. Ive had the plain old mk11 honing system from veritas and thats never let me down, never slips and never needed to tighten with a tool. then again im only an occasional woodworker so dont have to sharpen my tools that regularly or need lots of sizes to cover all the blades and chisels.

[@HewAndAwe]

It would be nice to know why it happens, I’m not alone in this 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@1pcfred]

You need to sharpen tools more than most realize. Like as soon as you start thinking that it might not be as sharp as it was when you first sharpened it. Not when you think it's too dull. Quite frankly the period of time may be just a few minutes of use. Say maybe 10 or 15? Although oddly the more frequently you sharpen the less time you'll spend sharpening. Because then it only takes a moment to touch an edge up.

[@cynthiastandley5742]

I'm a new user and thought I was crazy, but you nailed it. Too bad I bought a decade ago. (Just got around to using it)

[@HewAndAwe]

The issue with mortise chisels blows my mind too, I only found out that 90 % of them are tapered recently 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@cynthiastandley5742]

@@HewAndAwe I'll have to look at mine.

[@dougwardle2175]

Totally agree, my Veritas honing thing just boils my pi**. I’ve just got one of these MooHoo ones and life is good again

[@HewAndAwe]

Have you had any issues? A friend said he got skewed results with a 6mm chisel but all his bigger chisels were fine. I can’t think why it’s happened.

[@dougwardle2175]

@@HewAndAwe no issues at all with my 6mm chisel, have to say it’s been great. Bit of a struggle at first keeping plane blades on the stone but only because of the width of the guide with the wheels on the outside but once you get used to it it’s fine. I’m just using wetstones to sharpen but thinking about getting some diamond stones instead

[@HewAndAwe]

@@dougwardle2175 You know the wheel detach and go on the inside for wide blades right?

[@dougwardle2175]

@@HewAndAwe yes mate, I realised that a couple of days after

[@twcmaker]

They do slip. One of my guys gave me his. Another if my students spent ages resharpening because it kept slipping.

[@HewAndAwe]

I find it laughable when peeps say “mines fine” like it changes anything and everyone else is a liar, also known as butt-hurt 😂

[@jameseconleyjr7868]

My MKII worked fine for maybe 6 months before the jaws lost the ability to hold blade/chisel both square and at the angle I set. I tried to make it work for the remainder of the warranty. My mistake. Immensely frustrating mid hone to find the bevel go wonky and edge not being what I wanted. Too much money for such dismal performance. If anyone has recently got one and it starts acting up, send it back before warranty lapses.

[@HewAndAwe]

It happened early on for me to, veritas couldn’t solve the problem either. Paper weight from then on, finally sold it recently.

[@rustynail5812]

You are right about the tertiary angle knob on the Vertias. I've lost count of how many times I've forgot to set it back and had to redo a grind. Knurled knobs are a bit of a bugbear of mine as well. You invariably end up having to use pliers to get them tight or hacksawing a slot into them so the knurling doesn't get chewed to bits. Haven't they heard of butterfly nuts? I run furniture restoration classes and just want to get through sharpening as fast as possible. I learnt to hand sharpen chisel and plane blades back my school days when they taught those skills in woodwork classes. I encourage my students to buy some cheap tools to practice on. Having said that, I've tried just about every device on the market (stones, wheels, guides) so I can at least recommend one but I always come back to hand grinding and honing. Having, having said that... After 40 years in woodworking, I finally bit the bullet and purchased a Sorby ProEdge system and it's been something of a revelation. I have a lot of chisels and planes that get all sorts of abuse and misuse. You just touch the edge to the band and it's done in seconds. Now I'm kicking myself for not going that route years ago. It was expensive, about £500.00 with a diamond belt. But it's fast and it works. And I'll pretty much get my money back when I come to sell it as they hold their value.

[@HewAndAwe]

I’m gonna have to look that up, it’s news to me and ANYTHING to get sharpening over quickly is a must! I hope it does kitchen knives?

[@1pcfred]

My Eclipse knock off has a slot in the knob so I can crank on it with a screwdriver if I'd like to. You can cut a slot in a knob with a hacksaw. Well, I don't know if you can, but I can.

[@andyboxish4436]

@@HewAndAwe That Sorby system he recommended is geared towards wood turners, it wouldn't be used for sharpening plane blades and chisels.

[@rustynail5812]

@@andyboxish4436 I only use it for sharpening chisel and plane blades (if which I have way too many). The system has a vast range of guides and jigs and sanding belts for sharpening just about anything.

[@davidhull2060]

I hate sharpening..but I love sharp tools. Years of practising free hand means I can now ruin an expensive chisel in seconds! I have tried just about every method and I just find it all too faffy and fiddly. What works for me is a Tormek for regrinding the primary and then a quick tickle by hand with an Eclipse jig on a couple of DMT diamond stones and finish on an 8000 grit Norton stone to produce the edge. I keep all my angles simple.....no Charlesworth stylee back bevels for me...and as for cambered blades....that's what my best free hand sharpening looks like!

[@HewAndAwe]

Hahaha don’t you find the tormek just as fiddly? I wasn’t fortunate enough to have the diamond wheels so I sold it, toooo slow for me.

[@davidhull2060]

@@HewAndAwe it's fine if you just use the standard wheel and don't bother with stone grading and that palaver. The angle is fairly quick to set and the cutting doesn't take too long. The only bit that gets honed is the very tip, and it's quick because the grind is slightly hollow. I then work with that tiny bevel, and it only takes a few seconds on the Norton stone to touch it up as you work. Unless I'm careless or hit a hidden fastener it takes a lot of chiselling before I need to hit the Tormek again. Actually you're right...I just paid so much bloody money for that machine that I'm determined to use it!😂

[@HewAndAwe]

I miss it on my knives though, I’ve never been able to get my kitchen knives razor sharp on any other device like I could on the tormek though.

[@are_sh3509]

My Veritas mk2 is in my opinion the best sharpening system with consistent results, no doubt!!

[@makenchips]

Why don't you change out those brass take the knobs to socket head screws makes life a lot easier! Also you can glue on a piece of an ear unto the jigs face which will help grip the the Chisel when tightened down.

[@HewAndAwe]

It’s junk, period I shouldn’t have all that ballache, it’s fiddly to I way prefer the banggood version by a country mile!

[@chrischurch3020]

Shoot, I've had good success for yrs with a cheap eclipse style honing guide and home-made projection gauge block. I

[@HewAndAwe]

Yeah there’s a lot of peeps saying that. I’m finding the problem with all of them is the chisels not the guide. Will put that in a vid soon. I hope you had a lovely weekend mate! 🍻😊🍻

[@jonh1808]

@@HewAndAwe always, lack of parallel sides, or if it’s a firmer chisel, sides being a bit too heavy and just not gripping very well. Even the Richard Kell honing guides struggle like mad if the chisel isn’t parallel, and in all other respects they work as well as anything.

[@jimbo2629]

Just sharpen with a slope like Stumpy Nubbs does with a pillar drill. I use a Worksharp. Honing guides are the wrong idea. I bung my chisel or plane iron in the slope set at 25*. Same angle every time. Takes a few seconds then back to the job in hand.

[@HewAndAwe]

With a pillar drill?

[@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT]

Oh this looks handy, might have to grab myself one 👍

[@HewAndAwe]

My veritas is up for grabs if you’re interested 😂

[@stevebettany8778]

Mine slips and yes I use pliers to tighten the thumbscrews. I’ve gone back to hand sharpening it takes a lot less time.

[@HewAndAwe]

There seems to be more people saying it slips than the ones saying it doesn’t for them which is interesting..

[@ericerf6837]

It boggled my mind that the same weird angle grind would occur partway up the bevel. Very frustrating and thought I was the only one. Fir the cost that’s inexcusable

[@HewAndAwe]

That really pissed me off when it was a big wide chisel!!!

[@simonr6793]

Ben i bought the same veritas kit and did what we alway's do. Yep i put it in a SAFE place, this was two and a half years ago and just like all safe places bastard thing must have eaten it as it's not been seen since 😢. Needless to say I will not be purchasing another one!!!. The way you feel about the veritas sharpening kit is how i feel about the old red devil WOODPECKER, at least Dick Turpin wore a bloody good Mask 😤🤪. As always brother 💯% 👍.

[@HewAndAwe]

Really? I’d be interested to hear what’s not to like about the woodpeckers version? Maybe their price?

[@simonr6793]

@Hew & Awe Ben, you hit the nail right on the head!, I don't mind paying for quality, but I don't like to feel that I'm being ripped off!!!

[@robarmstrong6066]

Great video again

[@HewAndAwe]

Cheers Rob, hope you have a lovely weekend mate! 🍻😊🍻

[@denisewascavage209]

I found it to be a great tool for beginners and I’ve- used it for years! Unfortunately, if you can’t figure out how to use it, donate it to a new woodworker who can,happy woodworking!

[@HewAndAwe]

How rude, as you can see I know how to use my tools, the tool is junk and an overwhelming majority agree.

[@henrysara7716]

Thy for a fair review pal.

[@HewAndAwe]

You’re welcome Henry! Hope you have a lovely weekend! 🍻😊🍻

[@floydwilliams8595]

I could sharpen every chisel you own on a Tormek wet grinder while you a fiddling with this contraption.

[@HewAndAwe]

Bullshit! I’ve had a tormek, the biggest reason for selling was it’s painfully slow, even cheap soft metal.

[@Robodie]

I've had nothing but issues with the MKii, thought it was just me.

[@HewAndAwe]

Quite a few have said the same…

[@Robodie]

Just watched another video on the subject...because honestly it chaps my ass a bit to have to consider junking something that cost me $150+ during some extra lean times...but it's gotta be done. I've tried every suggestion and trick over the last two years and seeing what it does to Kobalt & HF specials, I've resolved to NEVER let this thing near the good stuff. Thanks for helping me suck it up and admit defeat before the POS claimed more innocent tools! Hand sharpening until I recover my pride enough to consider buying another guide - once bitten something something.

[@JerkDogJ]

I just put mine on marketplace because it drives me mad setting it up and it slipping. Glad I'm not the only one.

[@HewAndAwe]

I’m glad to hear I’m not alone, not great throwing someone under the bus to be honest but it’s a accident waiting to happen! 😬

[@JerkDogJ]

@HewAndAwe They deserve it, for $140 it should be easy and at least be able to hold a blade in place. I free hand now out of necessity. And just found a technique that works from Stavros Gakos that works well for me.

[@FixitFingers]

Not had my Mk2 slip... but then I don't use chisels daily so it only gets broken out a few times a year :P

[@HewAndAwe]

Honestly same for me cause I bow my head with the thought of using it 🥲

[@tpolarich6039]

Watched a short, wortheffort. He uses a business card to raise the ellipse jig to get a micro bevel. Better idea than the ruler trick.

[@HewAndAwe]

That’s for a back bevel isn’t it?

[@tpolarich6039]

@@HewAndAwe No. He put the card on the stone, put the jig's wheel on top of the card which lifted the jig angle thus increasing the angle and took a few strokes and whala he created a micro bevel on the edge not the back. The chisel was never repositioned in the jig.

[@HewAndAwe]

Yeah I still do see how that would work with the wheel off the stone, there’d be hardly any room for the jig to move before the chisel hit the cardboard no?

[@tpolarich6039]

You get more travel with the card trick than the ruler trick. It doesn't take much to create the micro bevel and it saves time. An ellipse jig once tuned ( no big deal) is a lot cheaper and easier to use.

[@Chindro2828]

The music at 3:19.....ahhhhhh yes yes

[@HewAndAwe]

I get the feeling some woke bellends found that racist 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Tray-x6k]

They definitely enjoyed the music while thinking it ;)​@HewAndAwe

[@77barree]

Nice pencil ✏️ sharpener.

[@HewAndAwe]

I couldn’t buy the one I was after, gizmodo.com/doggy-style-pencil-sharpener-takes-one-for-the-team-336143 😁

[@james7095]

Theres lots of comments for and against the veritas mk2 here.....ive had one for ages and never had an issue with it ..... However .... Nothing beats sharpening and honing by hand in my opinion without any jigs. If you can teach yourself how to do it.....id highly recommend it

[@HewAndAwe]

I can by hand but I’m a perfectionist which is not achievable by hand. Also if I screw up and the angle is way off it’s very hard to come back from by hand imo.

[@james7095]

@@HewAndAwe this is also true....unless you've built up the muscle memory over time it's hard to achieve that perfection by hand for sure and it's also hard and time consuming to rescue an edge that's gone pear shaped.....I'd always advise people just coming into the trade to use a jig if poss.....until they get used to sharpening by hand.....I'm not sure that's something that can be taught but something that needs to be practised

[@christopherharrison6724]

Worst of all it’s only the 3 mm I have trouble hand sharpening gutted

[@HewAndAwe]

Yeah exactly I can’t do that one by hand. I’ll figure a way of getting it to work with that chisel at some point though.

[@1pcfred]

There's zero chance anyone is freehand sharpening anywhere near as precisely as jigs can. Flesh simply is not as rigid as the materials jigs are made out of.

[@Hp2G1]

Like many others, my Veritas Mk II honing guide work’s very well. I never experienced any of the issues you are having, and I had it for at least 10 years! Sure it is more complex than an Eclipse type, but it is a complete modular system that can do all of the specialty blades I own (try to do skew chisel will your Chinese copy of the American red version). I love the micro-bevel feature, but you need to be organized enough to reset it to 12-o'clock after use. I am sure your Banggood guide will work fine for strait chisels and plane blades, but I have problem encouraging the Chinese to shamelessly copy other 's work without paying any royalties... You may not like the Veritas guide, but I think that saying it's crap clearly shows your lack of analytical capacity...

[@HewAndAwe]

Ah, butt-hurt…

[@halorail]

Thanks

[@MarksElectricLife]

Couldn't agree more! Rubbish product. Bought a Lie-Nielsen and it is so much easier to use and just works.

[@HewAndAwe]

It’s a bit like KZbinrs making something seem more than it’s not, you know like “use this it’s the ultimate xxxxx!” Way over engineered too 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@robjohnston8083]

Had it, sold it, bought the LN. Great to never have to bother with this over complicated, slipping, faff of a device again. BTW I have lots of Veritas stuff I do like.

[@HewAndAwe]

Yeah me too all my planes are veritas, I cut that out of the vid for some reason 🤦🏻‍♂️ I’d have their chisels one day too.

[@1pcfred]

I use an Eclipse knock off style jig. I never tried sharpening a really narrow chisel with it. Mainly because I don't have one. I think quarter inch is about as narrow as I've got. Oh and I don't use Imperial, I use standard. Even the Empire doesn't use Imperial anymore. They use standard now too. FYI a standard inch equals precisely 2.54 cm. That's what makes it standard. The old Imperial inch was slightly shorter. Although to be fair it wasn't enough that anyone would ever notice. Well, one OCD Swede did. But that's a story for another day.

[@HewAndAwe]

Haha and then there’s cm another annoyance that needs to go 😁it matters not, if you’ve only got metric tools it makes life a right pain when you need to fix a tool that’s full of imperial nuts and bolts.

[@1pcfred]

@@HewAndAwe I don't run into Imperial fasteners too often myself. That'd be Whitworth. In the USA we use the Unified National system. UNC and UNF. C & F stand for Coarse and Fine. Metric only has two common thread pitches as best as I can tell. There's 1 and 1.25 mm. There is a 3 mm pitch too but I've never actually seen it. I effing hate metric threads. It's practically one size fits all. Which in practical terms means it fits none. A lot of metric whole numbers are close enough to a lot of our fractional sizes. You can use a 13 mm spanner on a half inch hex. 19 mm is almost dead on 3/4" too. For us there's the dreaded 10 mm hex. Which doesn't correspond to any fractional size. Half the metric fasteners we run into are 10 mm too. So we're forever without those. If you have a metric set of tools and lose the 10 mm one you might as well throw the whole set out. That's prompted me to just buy extra 10 mm tools. I have a pile of 10 mm combination wrenches. I ain't gonna be caught short.

[@NickHammond-t9w]

Great review. I hate my current eclipse. Mooho now on flash sale 49% off :-)

[@HewAndAwe]

Sounds like you had a mahoosive deal 😅

[@NickHammond-t9w]

@@HewAndAwe Heck yeah. Couldn't not buy it :-)

[@jcsrst]

There is NOTHING like a sharp tool! I have the same veritas jig but haven't had the same problems with it as you. I don't use it very often, mostly with new tools and restorations. I do like that Bangood jig though! Nothing personal but it does seem pretty idiot proof🤣

[@HewAndAwe]

People say that about knives too, a sharp knife is a safe knife till you go straight through a finger when a blunt knife wouldn’t of, but yeah different for woodworking.

[@_sleepmute]

Scaramanga?

[@HewAndAwe]

The man with the golden gun 👍 seemed apt as both Chinese in a sense.

[@dpmeyer4867]

thanks

[@HewAndAwe]

You’re welcome Darin, I hope you have a lovely weekend!!! 🍻😊🍻

[@alastairstewart5527]

Down to under 30 quid now.

[@HewAndAwe]

For the whole lot???

[@eggster71]

Just the jig. Still another 30 odd for the rest.

[@alastairstewart5527]

Yep , absolutely correct, I completely failed to notice that they were sold separately!

[@philipwilliams8114]

Flash deal on - £26 today

[@HewAndAwe]

Yeah I think that’s for one part the jigs the main part?

[@MrZOMBIE170]

I was showing an apprentice at work this week how to sharpen his chisels the simple and fast way step 1 grind chisels to 30 degrees step 2 free hand the bevel on his faithfull diamond stones step 3 flatten the back , we had his chisel set sharpened in about 20 minutes , jigs wouldn't have done the apprentice any favors

[@HewAndAwe]

I’m sorry but I gotta cal BS on “20mims” a full set, regrind and flatten the back?! You must enjoy sharpening and was enjoying yourself to much forgetting the time 😂

[@MrZOMBIE170]

@@HewAndAwebench joiners are fast can't spend all day sharpening have to get back to making money don't get paid to sharpen , all the joiners I work with a grinding wheel and a oil stone they've been doing it that way for 50 years and the apprentice only has 3 chisel in has set enough to get the job done

[@HewAndAwe]

@@RogerDickenson erm… no one that’s just how you’ve taken it. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@PeanutsDadForever]

I think you have crossed over

[@HewAndAwe]

I’m piggy in the middle 🥲 but, how do you mean?

[@tinycuisine6544]

You sound like your are falling asleep.

[@edmundandbaldrick]

out of interest, what does his falling asleep sound like?

[@HewAndAwe]

The joys of suffering from depression is you don’t sound like a fake.

[@tinycuisine6544]

@@HewAndAwe I'm sorry to hear that and I apologize. I thought you were doing it as a funny angle, so I made the comment also as a humorous one. I've suffered from it myself, so I doubly apologize. I wish you well.

[@HewAndAwe]

@@tinycuisine6544 No worries fella, I get it a lot.. I do wish peeps would think before they speak cause cause it's quite cutting to hear - I wish I was anything but me, maybe my channel and work would do better. Such as life eh. Hope you're having s nice weekend mate!!! 🍺🍺🍺 Don't think about 👍

[@ShefferJoe]

Yes it's shit

[@HewAndAwe]

Hahaha!!!I could of made the vid that short 😂