why i left ableton live and went back to reason

[@reasonexperts]

Please keep the comments respectfull.

[@Audiomuscle]

Thanks for sharing your experience. I've had the opposite journey, started in Reason and moved to Ableton Live. However, I couldn't ever completely leave Reason because it's so damn awesome. Thankfully, today with the Reason Rack Plugin, you get the best of both worlds.

[@reasonexperts]

true, but that is also one of the main things why I never felt like using it like it. Because it feels like having something on a life support system to jank it somewhere else. As I mentioned in this video, I also own phaseplant (which is a modular system on its own). I barely use it anywhere because it's like using a modular system inside something else while I have a daw that can do that for me. I personally prefer a modular route that integrates it. Ableton can do it, I know, but this is more a hidden feature then having it 'upfront' and in your face. If you know what I mean. Other daws (eg: studio one, Fl studio, cubase) totally ignore the modular route. They just want to invoke the VST route. And this is something I really don't like. Sure, I'll admit for some the RRP route would be a thing to do for some, but it never really worked for me to be honest. But like I said, this is a personal opinion.

[@usedusermoser]

Keep strong dude 🙏🏼

[@Uniblab8]

I was a follower for a few years but when you switched to Ableton vids I let you go. I had no idea you were back with REASON vids until a couple weeks ago. welcome back, Happy New Year and as a long time REASON user, now on 13 which I like. I learned a lot from you in the past.

[@reasonexperts]

I have been back about 8 months for now. I still had reason 10 back then but I also have upgraded to reason 13. Also joined the beta program because I did discover a few issues here and there. So I am happy to be back at the family once again ;)

[@realmchat6665]

Sorry to hear about your hardships, I lost a fiance to illness and multiple close family members in rapid succession, and I know how that stuff can change a person, and I know about having the void you described, and how easy it is to fall into trying to fill it with bad things. Really glad to see you back into Reason. Reason is a unique daw and workflow, and your videos have always been awesome explorations into different and often innovative techniques.

[@reasonexperts]

sorry to hear about your loss. Yes, I can totally agree on the 'it can change people' part. I have experienced it the hard way. But in the end it is all about recovering, moving forward. I will try to explore things further, there are some things I have written down I want to do. But overal I also read a lot of comments here and there so sometimes I just need to side track here and there ;)

[@vindecenthhw]

goed dat je er weer bent, ik heb veel van je mogen leren door je video' s van reason en reasonexpert tutorials.bedankt

[@reasonexperts]

ik was al een tijdje terug ;) hier heb je een soort van recap (mocht je het gemist hebben) kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4LUlXd7Zb-qq9U

[@vindecenthhw]

Aah thanks ,handig zo een recap helemaal goed !

[@BLINDIAN1995]

Welcome back! I know other daws have certain features unique to them, but you have the knowledge and expertise to make a workaround for it. That’s why I watch your videos. Good luck and happy new year! 🎉

[@reasonexperts]

yes other daws have some unique features. That's one of the main reason why I love to visit them to figure out if I can translate it back and forth. The scene launcher is just one of those things, and I tend to make a video about this in the short term. Happy new year ;)

[@blueskiesbri]

Thanks for the videos. I share with you a similar experience - tried to get into Ableton after being a reason user since its inception and just didn't feel right. prior to that I was cubase fanatic for over a decade. I appreciate your videos and am happy to see you're back to reason. May 2025 bring you happiness health and good fortune.

[@reasonexperts]

cubase is cool as it is, but from my experience. cubase totally took a u-turn to totally throw that part on the VST route. Reason tried to do this with it's Rack Extension format. was it perfectly executed? No... I still have some questions about it. But from a sound designer perspective, cubase didn't really work for me either. I have tried it, but it didn't really work for me.

[@TheFesta01]

Are you still Dutch?

[@reasonexperts]

yes ;)

[@bryannamyo]

Happy New Year Hydlide. I've decided to stick with Reason 9.5 for now and some of Cherry Audio's products. This year I'm resuming work on an album I started years ago, my motivation to finish the project is returning. All the best for 2025!

[@reasonexperts]

reason 9.5 is cool. You have plenty if options using Cherry audio. I have seen nenko going wild on these things and they sound pretty cool (and they are relative cheap if you would compare this for lets say aturia)

[@bryannamyo]

I've noticed Nenko music has some videos of the CA2600 which is one of the CA synths I own, I also have Voltage Modular and a few other analogue emulations including PS-3300, Wurlybird and Polymode. I will have a look at his channel. Thanks for reply!😎

[@sitrix6185]

This is hitting me pretty hard at the right time. I have been using Reason since v1 and I have always considered it my "primary" music software. About 3 years ago I invested in Ableton Live Studio and I DO love it, BUT... Reason just seems to work the way I think. I wish this were not true since Reason has a lot of shortcomings. Bottom line is, I never stopped using Reason and Im using Live a lot less.

[@YogiDan]

Happy New Year! Great to see you back on Reason.

[@reasonexperts]

happy new year to you too!

[@DJAdalaide]

I originally bought reason 2.5/live 2 from a friend that i worked with back in the day, i upgraded both and use live mostly until record (remember that?) came out with reason 5 - i've stuck with it since then up until 12 which i'm happy with, i tried 13 but i'm not ready for that as i already have a workflow that i don't want to change.

[@reasonexperts]

the workflow of reason 13 is different, I know. So stick with 12 if you are ok with it. I had some mixed bags of feelings why they changed things on the workflow deparments though. Nowadays I gotten a bit used to them. But like I said, if you have your thing nailed down, then don't change it. Edit: and yes I remember record. That was the audio version that also came with the line 6 plugins that were abandoned in reason 8

[@NigelMerrick]

Sounds like you've been through some rough waters over the last few years, but I'm glad to see you still going with the whole Reason thing. I've also gravitated back to Reason after switching to Cubase Pro where I often use the Reason rack plugin these days. I'm no fan of Reason+, but I did upgrade to 13 and then purchased the missing players and instruments when they were on sale recently, so the only thing I'm missing from + are the sound packs (at least for now). Anyway, that said, I agree with there being too many synth options out there, and am working on reducing the devices in my toolbox to what I see as the essentials. Enough rambling, all the best to you, and wishing you a successful and happy 2025 🙂

[@reasonexperts]

Personally I am not a big fan of the + thing either, I have a license for reason myself, and all those additional things that come with the + thing do not really bother me that much. Sometimes I just grab the additional things (such as a chord sequence player thing I got recently). But without the additional goodies, reason works fine as it is. I have a suite license for ableton myself and I started to realize that I have a bunch of additional sample packs that go with it, but I never really used them. I prefer the less is more approach eventually, because having to many things can also be overwhelming at the same time. I just want to get stuff done ;) happy 2025!

[@johnsexton8082]

The one thing I wish Reason would address is screen reader support. This Ableton are now doing and is why for me Live 12 is more usable than Reason 13. Which is a shame as I have been a Reason user from the start (ReBirth) but now my sight is almost completely gone, making Reason usable without screen reader support is virtually impossible. I appreciate not everything can be made accessible but Reason is getting less accessible with each release.

[@reasonexperts]

have your addressed this issue with reason support?

[@johnsexton8082]

@@reasonexperts Thanks for getting back to us, I think I first raised back on V4 but more recently V11 where I even gave some ideas to extend the Remote SDK and add a few more top-menu items for CV/Audio rooting. V12 introduced some more issues as the new GUI limited screen reader access to just the top-menu then V13 again introduced more issues making it difficult even to use NVDA OCR making the browser even less accessible. I appreciate RS may not have the skills required to improve accessibility but why not look at collaborating with others or even taking on someone with the skills. I have offered to help out but I'm not an app dev, although am a web dev, so understand programming concepts. I've tried to build web apps to work with Reason Remote to give speech feedback but this is limited by Remote, MIDI and web tech.

[@_boof]

Ever since Reason released the plugins, I’ve tried every DAW. I love Reason in standalone but I’m still having issues with its browser. I’m using Logic and there’s a few things it’s awkward at, but like Reason, there’s so many instruments worth exploring. Also i find it to be really CPU friendly with the M1 chip. That’s the main draw for me.

[@reasonexperts]

yeah, I can imagine that the browser thing can be a thing. I have found myself a work around when it comes to this. Because personally, I find this browser quite confusing at times. The main idea I am going for right now, I have a folder structure nailed down. And this one is at top of the rest (call it _something, and it sorts at the top). By doing it like this, this becomes my go-to browser folder. Personally, this should not be a thing, because they (as in RS) started to focus heavy on the 'user library'. And the issue I have with that (as I also stated somewhere in my impressions about reason 13 not so long ago), is that that thing is the default. But I don't want it to be my default folder. I want to select my own. So I made that statement, in the hopes that reasonstudios picks up this feedback and does something with it. Because the arguments given about the browser is an on going topic. So, if you have issues with the browser, I would suggest get in contact with ReasonStudios their customer support. Report a ticket on why you are not happy with the current browser and why it isn't working for you. And address your points. That is the best advice I can give about now.

[@aquilyzer]

Welcome back to Reason and happy new year :)

[@reasonexperts]

Happy new year to you too!

[@ThierryLalinne]

Hi Hydlide, I quite agree with you. I think a DAW is just a tool in the hands of a craftsman. What really counts is what happens between the two ears and the experience gained over the years. Ask any carpenter worth his salt, and he'll probably tell you that his tools are an extension of his hands. Reason/Ableton/Reaper/FL/... are just toolboxes and workbenches. You know Reason like the back of your hand, so why change? I watch your videos to see a craftsman doing his magic.This is so satisfying. Just my 2c. Have fun 👍

[@reasonexperts]

I wanted to change to experience things, so I did that thing just to experience things. And since I am always about being transparent I thought I would just add this journey too ;)

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

I liked Ableton but its got terrible CPU issues and I got fed up with it pretty fast, I emailed them, thye did try to help Me so no complaints about there customer services. Anyway I don't have much stamina for fixing software issues.

[@reasonexperts]

these issue can sometimes be tricky, because it totally depends on the build of the hardware, how much ram you have, what type it is , sound card etc. etc. That is an issue with computers in general. This also happens in the gaming scene.

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

@reasonexperts True however Reason DAW runs perfect.

[@reasonexperts]

@@HOLLASOUNDS nope it doesn't. Hyperthreading is still an issue. I won't be going in to details because I did a comparison from Europa as an RE vs Europa as a VST (back in the days). This is a different story, I don't want to address here, because.... well. there is that. It's in the past sentence. But I am not bothered about performance these days, because I know what I am doing. And the whole thor vs Europa thing... don't get me started, I have benchmarked this to death ;)

[@everytongueconfess]

Reason GANG. People have always asked me why my beats are louder and more crisp. The New Updated browser is amazing and love the new Synths inside it.

[@HAZARDOUS88]

I used Ableton less and less now for that same reason. I just love the feel of Reason and it's all-in-one package. The only VST instruments I find myself using the most is the Arturia stuff. Everything else is just Effects VSTs that are unique. Surprised to see that Superwog clip too, lol. Love them. Anyway, so glad you're still sticking with Reason and can't wait to see what happens next!

[@reasonexperts]

Arturia is good stuff, I don't use everything from them yet since there's still alot of thing I need to learn. Superwog made some awesome scetches, the police one is one of them I regular revisit (it's a good laugh)

[@RobertValdez-z1n]

How are you not using Serum, Nexus 4, or Sylenth 1?

[@HAZARDOUS88]

@RobertValdez-z1n Serum is the only one there that I've used and it doesn't even appeal that much to me. I much prefer Phase Plant or Pigments.

[@reasonexperts]

@@HAZARDOUS88 Personally I prefer Pigments over Serum. I have them both. But the interface of Pigments is very well thought out. They basically both do the same thing, but then just a little bit different. It's similar as playing with Europapa Europapa... I made a pun :D (and psst... I knew this question would drop lol, I made a prediction)

[@HAZARDOUS88]

@@reasonexperts It's why I love Phase Plant and Pigments, they remind me of Reason

[@TheCynicsCynic]

LOL @ Obscurium VST. I love it, but it's such an odd alien beast. Even the trailers/commercials for it play up the alien aspect. Edit: Also, holy crap that's a lot on just a couple plugins!

[@reasonexperts]

I got obscurium because it looked weird. And I know under the hood it does something fancy with FM synthesis, and I am simply a sucker for those things. And to add, suger bytes has quite a rep for making cool things, so I had to have it. and to add, yeah, some plugins arent cheap, I know that... but at the end I thought like screw it, I needed to expand anyways ;)

[@Friify]

It's interesting to me that you focused on the community of Reason and Ableton. I've been writing music in Reason for over a decade and I don't think I've ever engaged with any part of the community at all, except for this here comment!

[@reasonexperts]

As a content creator it works a little bit different. I have learned myself to engage with the community simply because I am making content for that specific community. If you just make music to make music, it doesn't matter which community you want to trigger. So from that point it kind of makes sense that you wouldn't really want to reach out to those communities. Because on that end it only matters what type of music you make.

[@Friify]

@@reasonexperts Thank you for taking the time to reply. While I am here, I'd like to mention that I've enjoyed your videos, and especially your old website that you no longer appear to be maintaining. I found your article on the Stereo Imager device to be really helpful, with its comments on the associated limiter, with respect to the 'Reason Sound' and have since had a lot more success producing width via the Haas effect. Thank you for putting your thoughts and expertise out there!

[@jimcairns5733]

Happy New Year my hero! I’m sticking with your well presented videos. I’ve made some nice music with reason without fully understanding what I’m actually doing and I’m starting from scratch again. Now where do I start???

[@reasonexperts]

Kind of depends what type of music you produce. Mostly I start with the heart of it and build around that part. So if you making something electronic like, I would start with a form of clever melody or a bas line where you can build the melody on top. If it's more pop / hip hop genre, I would mostly start with the chord progression or beat. Because those will mostly make the song work. Ambient sounds track often are build up by using evolving sounds, so that would be the ground work there. } But like I said, it often depends on the type of genre

[@eagletown8977]

Hey, man! Your videos are most inspiring, thanks you for dedicating your time to creating interesting content. Hope 2025 is an exciting and fulfilling year for you and, by extension, for us who follow your channel and enjoy your videos 😎👍🤟 Take care, Edwin! 🤟🤟

[@reasonexperts]

I think 2025 will be an interesting year

[@BK-iw1zm]

I remember you having an issue with Reason's EULA so you switched to Ableton because of it. Anyway, glad to see you using Reason again. You always have interesting ideas.

[@reasonexperts]

I did switch because I needed a back up plan eventually. But there was more to that. I am going to violate the EULA once more in the short term because I reversed engineered the tag system of reason 13. I did this because I needed to know the answer to a question... but because the tag system isn't explained so I had to do it... sorry ;)

[@Artek604]

Hey, thanks for posting this and for the shout out! Sorry to hear about the divorce :( I might make my own version of this video one day (if anyone's interested...).

[@reasonexperts]

your welcome ;) Life just takes it own course from time to time. And what can I say, things have turned out pretty ok for me so far. I can only recommend you take your own take on it one day. I would be interested to say the least.

[@Skulljerker]

Happy and healthy new year! Is there a reason why you chopped the end of video 🙂

[@reasonexperts]

yes, there is a reason why I chopped the end. There was 8 minutes more of it, but in the end it was more like repeat stuff that was already addressed. So hence I decided to end it there.

[@theprezenz]

I understand, however with each 'update' reason adds new synths, in an already saturated vst and RE market instead of improving the daw itself. They just can't stop talking about the browser since R8. Anyway, just do what you love, man. Groetjes uit België!

[@reasonexperts]

I personally skip updates from now on. I recently moved from R10 to R13, so that was kind of a big win for me. I'll be honest (and I think you can relate with this one), but the updates of RS haven't been really ground breaking from release to release. I came to accept that, so hence I made the decission to just skip an update or two... I like some changes here and there, there is still room for improvement. But it's kind of like having a hammer in your hand, and you need to know how to use it ;) Groetjes terug ;)

[@theprezenz]

@reasonexperts hehe I went from 9 to 12. But since 11 I went to FL Studio. I've only updated so I can recover old songs and bounce them to FL Studio. I needed a faster workflow but as an sound designer I understand Reason will resonate more. Hou je goed!

[@AmeyahOfficialTV]

why i use reason only as plugin ... hmm

[@etxxx2]

I am with you 100 percent.

[@reasonexperts]

awesome ;)

[@basislager5321]

Happy new year you are sill dutch' great you see you over and over again 💯 %

[@reasonexperts]

happy new year to you too!

[@itsnony77]

I love reason. It isn't the perfect DAW and missing some modern features many other DAWS have but that doesn't bother me that much. What bothers me is the excessive prices to upgrade they are charging. I can't afford this anymore and I'm stuck on an older version.

[@reasonexperts]

out of curiosity, what version of reason are you stuck with?

[@RsiX_productions]

Hmm , ive been on reason since v5 , upto v12 . Lately tried ableton and i like the clarity etc but overall the interface makes production feel quite stiff and requires more thought . Both good software yes , preffer reason but ableton is good

[@pnutbuttajellee1394]

Why don't you just use both? Reason has great instruments and players and modularity, and Ableton has...well everything else. There such thing as different software for different purposes. RRP still rocks

[@reasonexperts]

I think I answered this question in this video.

[@godkekliveshere431]

hey hey my guy happy 2025.

[@reasonexperts]

happy new year to you too!

[@RobertValdez-z1n]

I use: Logic Pro 11.1, Cubase 14, and Abelton Live 12 Suite. All three trump Reason and Reaper.

[@reasonexperts]

you can always use reason as a plugin these days ;)

[@spaggio]

Stay Hungry, Stay Dutch

[@bousky8601]

❤happy New year

[@reasonexperts]

happy new year to you too

[@glennmiller6424]

yearh, orchestral beats :)

[@reasonexperts]

it's a different style, yet these things are pretty cool to make

[@peterwaringofficial]

❤

[@blakemacdonald8894]

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