Why I'm a Place Bettor at Craps

[@greenteamcapt]

My buddy and I just did this experiment when we were in Vegas last month. $15 tables on the strip, I placed 6 & 8 and with winnings would branch out to place other numbers, always buying the 4 and 10 if I got that far out. He always did the line bet and two comes with double odds. When the table had good long shooters, I always won more as my bets paid more and I had more numbers covered. Had he done max odds (3x, 4x, 5x) we probably would have been pretty even. But we both won. When we had short rollers or point then outs he would lose less because he would have his bets edged on the come for two rolls and had less invested early on. But we both would lose on those shooters. We had some massively hot tables the first couple days and it carried us through colder tables the last few days. We both ended up winning around 1800 each for the 7 day trip.

[@ColorUp]

Yep, either way is fine. 7 day may not make much difference. 7 years and line bet and odds should lose less than place bettor.

[@IAmTheShazz]

Ah yea, the "6/8 Spread" vs. the Double Odds 3 point Molly. Love playing either of those strategies if I'm just looking to chill on the table

[@larrybrasher59]

@@IAmTheShazzWhen do you take money off the table?

[@IAmTheShazz]

@@larrybrasher59 If I'm buying in on the shorter side ($200-$300 on a $10 table), I'd normally walk if I profit anywhere from 30-50% of my original buy-in. I normally don't play that way (my favorite betting strategy for craps is the Casino Quest Triple Lux), but those other two strategies are good for me because they allow me to pivot to a Triple Lux if I'm able to break even on the roll relatively early.

[@bigbullshitter7556]

I agree with your “ bet to win” pass , don’t pass. Place, whatever, I also don’t agree with the team tradition.. I’m playing against the house not the person rolling.. bet always with the shooter and you go Broke quick

[@tzadiko]

Ha I just wrote a whole long comment about the come-out roll advantage, then I listened to the next part of your video where you say exactly the same thing. Had to delete my long comment 🤣 You actually are the most knowledgeable craps KZbinr I've seen. But I still like the Pass / Come over place bets 🤣

[@fartfalcon]

I just feel like pressing is way easier using place bets, especially if you're playing somewhere at 3x4x5 odds

[@nettarap]

Again…love the head to head comparison. I recently switched to a come better and have been doing much better at the tables

[@swacked]

Just wanted to say thanks for your videos. I just got back from Vegas and for the first time me and my friends actually left with money and it made the whole experience so much more fun. Using your videos and some rolling tips from some veterans I met I was able to win 2k in two days at the Cromwell and Circa.

[@ColorUp]

Awesome 👏🏻 glad you colored up! Appreciate you watching

[@meaversand]

if you tell us how much you won, you should also mention how much you RISK, otherwise it does not mean nothing

[@lashadow8]

Great informative video. Makes me rethink my strategy and the “why” behind it

[@thespanish21god86]

This information was GOLDEN!!! NEVER KNEW the place bets can pay MORE than BOTH the Pass line AND the odds bet!!!!!

[@ColorUp]

Yep, until betting more than 3x4x5x odds....and most casinos won't allow...I wonder why ha

[@DOSCADENA561]

Within the first 2.5 mins this was such an educational video even for people that don’t play I feel like you covered the basics very well 🤙🏼

[@ColorUp]

Trying my best over here :) appreciate the feedback

[@DG-hm1on]

Was always a pass line/odds bet dude, who would dabble in the place 6 & 8 if feeling good. Enjoyed your talking about the HE and how its based on an infinite time period, when I'm only at the casino twice a year. You may have changed my mind how I play.....would not have thought that. Keep up the videos, and loved your series with Casino Quest. Please do another!

[@ColorUp]

There is no correct way to play, so if you like pass/odds stick with it. they are very good bets, far superior than most of what the casino offers. Yeah, I want to do some more with casino quest. Hopefully soon

[@lindafoxwood78]

Thanks you for showing the difference between Place and Passline/Come bets. The disadvantage I see in the Passline/Come bet is: You are betting the Same number will hit again. The odds bet needs to be 5/4/3 to even equal a Place bet. All the people I see making Passline/Come bets either never use odds or only bet 2X odds. A complete House Edge advantage over the Place bet.

[@willparker9870]

That's why I like place bets if I'm not rolling I get paid more and I get to pick my number I'm watching a game for comes out all the time eden-6 never come out when I'm playing the pass line if the point I'm not going to get paid

[@jimklemens5018]

If you want to go for it, Place bet all of the numbers and then Come bet with full odds on every roll. I watched two guys do it at the Silver Legacy in Reno last weekend. They made about $2,000 in 10 minutes. I also saw them get smoked for $800 a few times when the numbers got rolled three times and then a 7.

[@chYnaRIP]

my opinion on the benefits of place bets is you can control them, and you only have to hit them once versus having to set the number, and hit it again on on come bets

[@stevenfields4871]

Overall great video and great explanation. This is one of my favorite discussions with “line only” players. I play both. I usually skip the pass line. Set up 96 across. And 15 comes. Then as the numbers hit I use the winnings for the place plus the original place bet to get some come bets with some really good odds. As with any “system”. I need a good rolll to make money. I. need about 14 -15 rolls just to break even and about 20 rolls with no seven to win. It’s a lot of rolls to risk and 7s are supposed to come out way sooner but hey that’s why it’s called gambling. ;-)

[@albertc1241]

Thank your sir for another fine video, enjoyed it. In the future you may want to add a "Don't Player" to this scenario.

[@stevenfields4871]

You know. Maybe I missed it or maybe you have said it In other videos. But one advantage Place bets have over the line is that because they are not a contract bet. (You did mention this fact).You can “press” or “reduce” the amount you are playing on any given place bet before any given roll. That is a huge advantage over line players since most only play the point and two come bets. My cousin plays this way and while I am pressing my 10th number 6 up to 120. His line and two come bets are stuck on numbers not coming out as often. Plus the only limit on a place bet is the table maximum bet. Not 3X, 4X, 5X odds. Just saying the people I often see win the largest (and lose the quickest) are players who use place bets and full press the first couple hits on each number.

[@timmelton856]

_He did mention it,_ but he was just doing a comparison vs real strategy. You have to know this before someone is able to really formulate a strategy that works (or doesn't). In his other videos he goes over pressing, hedging, taking bets down (as well as regressing), and much more. there are like 50 ways to play the game and he makes it pretty simple to understand :)

[@aebalc]

Place bets and pass line bets are treated very differently by craps players. It is not unusual to see a place bet be doubled in size after each of the first few hits but it is highly unusual to see someone parlay like that on pass line wins even though the house edge is lower. Think about it - how often when a seven rolls on the come out roll do you see a person increase the size of the pass line bet? It almost never happens but the first time the six rolls everybody is pressing.

[@jonec6496]

I often stack my pass line bet after sevens on the come out...great way to double up.

[@timmelton856]

@@jonec6496 I might suggest only if you max your odds you "press"/"stack" the pass-line bet. that is: if you are betting more money to a particular number. Just remember you can not take back the flat bet (the pass-line); only the odds can come down (or called off).

[@michaelpenney8703]

Good analysis. I always thought the odds were the best bet in the casino, but not always...

[@ColorUp]

Right, best bet for sure…but not always. I like how you put that.

[@michaelpenney8703]

@@ColorUp I’m practicing it now..

[@donwelch6612]

i'm a four hit and gone type of guy so i like to press after first three hits and then run, waiting for the next shooter. i leave the dice alone and stick to the place bets. ...mostly inside 5-9. it may sound like a boring way to play but it works for me. when/if i get to a few hundred up occasionally i will lay the 10 for $300 piggybacking the iron cross just to push my blood pressure. respects to your great channel brother. i am 74 and simply have to get to reno before i croak. nine times to vegas (live in michiganistan) so it's past time for a change. any suggestions on a good close in casin/hotel combo (in reno) to book my stay in? thanks and respects to all. enjoy life boys and girls.....you only live once.

[@ColorUp]

Reno is much different than Vegas. Stay anywhere that you can get a good deal on. There are 5 casinos in the downtown area, but I recommend the other 5 or 6 that are scattered throughout town. They are all within a couple minutes of each other as this is the "biggest LITTLE city in the world" they say ha

[@eddieonthemoney2520]

As a businessman who has built and sold two successful companies. I am not sure why anybody in business or in gambling would give over control of their money to someone else. That is exactly what you’re doing when you bet the COME or the pass line. You’ve now handed over your money to someone else. With place bets I am in control I could stay the same I could increase my investment or I can withdraw it. That’s just smart business ! I am successful at Craps by staying away from three things contract bets proposition bets and lay bets.

[@ColorUp]

Pass/come the player is a 2:1 favorite for come out. That would be reason to bet it. Place bets, you are always betting the underdog and get paid accordingly. Whatever works for ya 😀

[@eddieonthemoney2520]

But only for the come out. After that your bet is at Jeopardy you have no way of dodging the seven it’s a contract bet up there until you eventually give it back to the casino when the seven comes. But you know that . I NEVER play the pass line when not shooting. When shooting my SRR runs consistently at around 9 to 9.25.

[@ColorUp]

If you like to play 10x odds it has its advantage. I’m typically a place bettor as well

[@donfavero8971]

Big advantage is that place bets can be turned off or taken down. Although the odds bets on the lines can be lifted, the come bet and the line bets cannot be taken down. This can be a killer when all the come bets come down on the next come out roll. Place bets have more flexibility.

[@FrancisCheung888]

Great video. I did the math and the payout for 3,4,5x max odds are exactly the same for 5 through 9. Placing 4 and 10 pay out a little better than line bet with max odds. Buying 4 and 10 are much better.

[@tzadiko]

No you did NOT "do the math", at least not correctly. Doing the math is "house edge", which shows that even 0x odds is better than any place bets. 1x is much better. Your "math" probably totally disregards wins on first roll 7/11. You are also totally disregarding that a Pass or Come bet can win on ANY number, whereas place bets can only win on ONE number.

[@FrancisCheung888]

@@tzadiko When I referred to "doing the math" I was just responding to the actual payouts, not the house edge. I agree, that is an entirely different calculation.

[@tzadiko]

@Francis Cheung ok but why is that math important? It just shows you what bets have a bigger payout. It doesn't show you which better are "better" because it ignores the likelihood of winning. Only house edge combines likelihood of winning with payout, to give an accurate measure of which bets are better.

[@craigbarnes9589]

Excellent information! If only more KZbin videos were like this.

[@harrylove]

Thanks for the time and effort you put into making these videos. I enjoy watching and learning different strategies! Thanks!

[@ColorUp]

Glad to make them

[@jpennyp]

Great video and content, thanks! Places to play are certainly those at 10x or higher. Also those which will auto buy the 5 and 9 at $25+ and of course take the juice on the win. Put bets are another option at 10x + tables.

[@powell4661]

Yeah , but with a put bet you take about 7x odds, I think , too tired to do the math

[@iptvclub1575]

I never bet the pass line unless I am shooting. In my mind, there is no 2 to 1 edge on the come out roll, because yes i would win on any 7 plus the 11 = 8 ways (or 8/36 ways), but I am put instantly at a disadvantage if it's anything else or basically the other 28/36 combinations. Because if its any one of those 28/36 combinations the edge automatically is put back into the casino's favor AND you CAN NOT pull down that pass line bet (contract bet). Also if the point is a 4 or 10. you are at a 2 to 1 disadvantage automatically without having the ability to take down the bet. As a place better if the point is a 4 or 10, I could choose to not place that number. I often play the darkside, BUT I don't play the don't pass. I wait until the point is established and then make 1 don't come bet. That way I am not fully playing against the table, I don't care if the point is made, and in fact WIN on any come out 7. I have seem many a long roll hit multiple come out 7's. if you were a don't pass player you would lose on ANY come out seven. As a "Don't Come" you will win on those come out 7s. I know mathematically it's not any advantage, but I myself just had a roll where I made 4 points (24 roll) and had 3 come out 7s. A Don't pass player would have lost 7 times on my roll.

[@roadrunner381]

I'm a don't player also, have been for more than 30 yrs, and have been around alot of long time players, and the NO.1 RULE AS A DON'T PLAYER, is when a shooter knocks down your bet, you are done with betting against him, whether on the come out, or making his point, reason is, if that one shooter gets hot, he can crush you, don't try going against a hot shooter, wait for the next shooter, grind and grind some more, that is the dark side motto!

[@iptvclub1575]

@@roadrunner381 do you do it just once? There have been many times at the table where nobody has made more than 2 points, but out of the 12 shooters, maybe 6-7 of them hit 1 point and then 7'd out before making the next one. I usually go 2 times. If they knock off my don't pass twice, i'm out.

[@jeff13148]

Excellent video! So many "how to" gambling videos just say do this & do that but don't tell you the cost & benefits of doing this or that. Thank you for your videos & insights!

[@ColorUp]

I just try to give the information. The player should make the decision how they prefer to play :)

[@JayAr709]

A thoroughgoing analysis 👍

[@brettbecker8087]

Can I or should I bet pass line and place bets together? I'm new. Do you have video talking about pass line with odds with place bets? Thanks for the great videos. I'm learning so much. Going to play end of March 2022. Only the 2nd time playing.

[@ColorUp]

Sure, you can mix it up and play any bets you like. I have many videos showing both at same time. no right or wrong way to play, just have to decide which bets you are comfortable making.

[@brettbecker8087]

@@ColorUp I have looked but not found the video segments. Can you offer a quick link? I'll keep looking in the meanwhile. Thanks again.

[@wferguson05]

Great video, thanks!

[@ColorUp]

Glad you liked.

[@thewasatchwrangler]

I love how you cover the P on the Pass line and it looks like... well, you know. Thanks for the laughs 😂

[@kenross4453]

If I am playing both place bets and come bets - what typically happens when a number I have placed is rolled? Say I place the 8, and have a come bet and 8 is rolled... my come bet is moved to the 8, and I am paid on my placed bet. Should I keep two separate bets there (one placed and one 'come'), should I move the placed bet to be odds on the come bet, should I pull down the place bet, or...? I know (or, I think/am pretty sure) this is all at my option. I am wondering what is considered to be normal/best practices. Thanks for your videos!

[@ColorUp]

Best option would to be to use the place bet as odds, remove place bet, or move to different number. I wouldn’t keep both types of bets up. If the come bet wins and has to come down from number you can replace number with another place bet.

[@johnhooper4374]

VERY WELL EXPLAINED,

[@keenanjones5327]

From a self service perspective, after point established, I place point on the line so I'm am not contracted.

[@ColorUp]

👍🏻🎲

[@keenanjones5327]

4/10 point, i usually buy on line.

[@BTLwithTony]

Backup odds might pay fair, but when you place them you're just as likely to lose your money -- which is very likely -- than if you didn't place them. Yes you will win more with a bigger risk, but unless I'm placing backup odds with "casino money," I hate to place them because I know I'm most likely to lose it anyway. Hashtag gambling. I'd rather spread money out on place bets and give myself more opportunity to win. Then, when I earn "casino money," use that to place backup odds.

[@mlb_zity1276]

so true...

[@FreeformAggie]

The come out advantage with come bets really gets flipped when the point hits and by default any come odds are off. If you're not playing the main pass line anyway, may be to your benefit to always work the come odds. The place bet is really advantageous for the ability to control, but it's rare to see players pull down bets and sit out a few rolls until the point is resolved. The house is always ready to collect either way with Ole Big Red.

[@keenanjones5327]

Just know if you pressed up to a certain level, you can ask the dealer to take you down to base (52/54 accross) whatever that is for you.

[@powell4661]

Continuous come on a low minimum table is my favorite

[@brizzlex1919]

@@powell4661 Everybody loves continous come..

[@dougcarroll3376]

If in discussing the difference between place and come should t you be taking max odds on the line and come bets ?

[@ColorUp]

Max odds is a great bet, if you can afford to make the additional bet on the number. If you have too much at risk on one number, and makes your bankroll too volatile, its not a great bet.

[@buckeyeslim6177]

Maybe I missed it, but I didn't hear you mention the contract factor. Pass/Come bets are contract bets. You can't turn them off or take them down. Also, the odds bet USUALLY has a limit that will keep your bet BELOW table maximum (unless you play your Pass/Come bet table maximum). These bets are more limiting. Place bets are under player control. You can increase then to table max, turn them off, or take them down. This gives you a "real time" advantage OVER the math if the game. Place bets (on a car by case basis) are USUALLY the better bet for the player. That's why you get less comp points as a Place better compared to making Come betters.

[@ColorUp]

Yeah, I covered them being contract bets, and limited to max odds, usually 345x

[@buckeyeslim6177]

@@ColorUp My bad. I must've missed that part

[@tzadiko]

One thing you didn't make clear is that you don't HAVE to take ANY odds on Pass and Come to make them good bets (and in fact lower house edge than place bets) It would be perfectly reasonable for a "low-roller" player to make a Pass bet and new Come bets on every roll, never taking any odds. They will still end up with only a 1.4% house edge on all their bets, while keeping their total risk quite low. Even with terrible luck, they won't lose more than around 5 units total on a seven out (max 7 units)

[@ColorUp]

Yeah, I talk about this in many of my videos. Guess what my most common comment is? “You have to take odds…stupid without odds…etc” sigh

[@rayhjr72]

If you play pass/come take the odds. If you don't plan on taking odds just place it. It WILL pay better no matter what number you place. Never mine it turns into a sucker bet after the come out roll. You only get paid 1 to 1 on a bet that the casino has the edge. 10 pass line bet point is 4 you will 10 bucks place it and you win 18. sounds better to me.

[@big-tfpv7662]

I did exactly this last weekend and had a great time rolling for 3 hours. $10 table with a $400 bankroll. I left $20 up after tips and had a blast playing for a long time. Made a few people that bet big very happy. I got confident with my rolls and even comped a room for next vist.

[@Unholychaos987]

My wife and I are going to play Craps for the first time this coming Friday, would you suggest, as beginners, only sticking to the pass line and place bets on 4-9 to get our feet wet? We don't know what the minimums are at the casino we're going to, and we're only going with $200 each.

[@ColorUp]

Pass and 6/8 with such a small bankroll. Most places are now $10, but on Friday thru Sunday most casinos go even higher

[@Unholychaos987]

@@ColorUp I know the casino we'll be going to has Bubble Craps. What's your opinion on them? I know the casino would have no reason to rig games, but would you say they are just as fair as table craps?

[@ColorUp]

Fair yes.

[@Unholychaos987]

@@ColorUp We just got done playing for 2 hours at a $5 table (x10 odds). I walked out with $235, my wife walked out with $350. We played mostly inside numbers with the odd 4/10 mixed in, but she was more ballsy on the 6 since it's our 6 year anniversary

[@paulbuckler9778]

Betting straight up on the numbers

[@Phil-VAracer]

What about place bets that get replaced by come bets as the roll continues?

[@ColorUp]

Sure, but again they get paid less unless 5x or more odds. I might go other way, after come bet wins and comes down, replace with place bet. 🤷‍♂️ there is no “correct” way

[@tzadiko]

@@ColorUp what do you mean "paid less"? Pass and Come even with ZERO odds pay more than place bets, when the take into account the probability of winning

[@ColorUp]

The probability of winning a place bet and a line bet with odds is the same. A place bet of the same amount of money as a line bet with odds wins more money until you add 5x or more in odds.

[@tzadiko]

@@ColorUp you are comparing apples and oranges. The place bet does not get a chance of winning on the naturals (7 and 11). That's a significant factor (2 out of 9 chance). Take away a 1 in 9 chance of craps on the come-out, and you are still left with a significant advantage (1 in 9) that a place bet doesn't have. That's the whole reason the house edge is only 1.4% on Pass... because of the come-out winnings You can't make a head to head comparison and leave that out. But I see what you mean now, thanks for clarifying. With 5x odds, the Pass bet gets paid the same as a Place bet, even without taking the come-out advantage into account

[@ColorUp]

I discuss the huge advantage the line bet has with cone out roll. So yes it is not a fair direct comparison, they are completely different bets, and both have their advantages.

[@brockunruh6283]

For a fair comparison, I think the place bet pay out should be compared to the odds since the line bet and odds bet are two separate bets. The odds bet will always win

[@ColorUp]

They are not separate bets. You can’t make the odds bet without making a line bet first, they are connected.

[@brockunruh6283]

@@ColorUp Making a $5 line bet with $10 odds is not equal to making a a $15 place bet. It is making a $5 bet that you will win on the 7 and 11 and loose on the 2, 3, and 12 as well as win on the point. The odds bet only wins on the point, just like the place bet

[@brockunruh6283]

@@ColorUp but if you are looking solely at pay outs in comparison, I get your point. Risk the same to win a little more.

[@ColorUp]

Yes, they are very different and not really comparable. I was making the point about risk vs reward. Both have $15 at risk after the point.

[@jedwardkim]

if you are the shooter you have to have a line bet - in this situation, would you place odds behind the line bet or just throw that money on the point as a place bet?

[@ColorUp]

In that situation, odds would be better option for sure.

[@Helihawaii1]

Shouldn't the pass line bettor go with 15$ and 30$ odds to be fairly similar to a 96 across table. Seems like 1 player is on a 5 dollar table and the other is a 15 dollar table.

[@ColorUp]

It really not about how many numbers were bet on. I wanted the bet size to be the same to show equivalent size place bet pays more.

[@dougcarroll3376]

Love your videos. Thanks

[@ColorUp]

Glad you like them!

[@pamagee2011]

Good analysis!

[@adamtownsend8229]

Hey Color up, When I’m playing in Vegas (I’m still learning), if I don’t bet the pass line. They’ve still let me bet on the middle (in between pass line and odds). Are they essentially letting me play that as a place bet?

[@ColorUp]

Yes, you can make a self serve place bet, instead of handing to dealer by placing on the line between pass line and odds area. It will be paid as a place bet. This can only be done for number the puck is on. All other numbers, the dealer would have to make place bet for you.

[@adamtownsend8229]

@@ColorUp that’s what I figured. Thank you! I will do that if I don’t bet the pass line for a new shooter (I tend to only bet on some shooters after I’ve watched them throw. I don’t mind waiting until it’s my turn again if everyone craps out quickly)…just never knew what it was until I watched this video!

[@benjaminelsbury683]

8:30 how about placing the bet on the line closest to you under the pass line bet ? Is that better ?

[@ColorUp]

That is a place bet on the point number

[@benjaminelsbury683]

@@ColorUp how does it pay , is it as a place bet or as odds without a pass line bet ? Why do people place this bet?

[@krisaustin9189]

GREAT video

[@JayAr709]

In comprehensive strategy, the prepared dice bettor finds a role for Pass/Come, Place/Buy, AND assorted other choices, which define his overall bet style. What he does NOT do is extoll the merits of Place & Buy betting beyond *ease and flexibility * which are the important virtues of Place & Buy bets. The * five-ten versus fifteen * comparison is useful, in that it inspires us to use Come Bet Conversion^^ which boils down to a hesitation play, until the dice have identified a number to be placed or bought.) Few will warm to this technique, as they are as ardently wedded to the notion “a Come bet needs to win twice” as they are to the fallacy “Place bets pay more.” Which isn’t so. The logic isn’t strictly rigorous because it sidesteps the dreaded PSO interval, invalidating the comparison before the point contest even begins. Against the Pass Line, you’ll need to “work during the Comeout to have a valid comparison,” you can’t just point to the front line flat with odds. When the killer seven shows the Place Bet of fifteen dollars LOSES (-$15) and the Come bet flat of five dollars WINS (+5). THAT is the difference. _____________ ^^ THE DICE DOCTOR by Sam Grafstein

[@ColorUp]

Thanks for quoting Sam book, I like his stuff. I do t agree come bets “have to hit twice” as they are a two stage bet. And that is the big difference and why bets can’t be compared. Obviously a pass/come has a great advantage to win on a come out roll, BUT, after a point is set, a couple facts exist. Both a place bet and line bet have same chance to win and lose. A place bet of equal amount will pay more than line/odds until you are betting more than 5x odds.

[@JayAr709]

@@ColorUp The fact that “Both a place bet and a line bet have the same chance to win or lose,” at that juncture, as you stated, is only because the Pass Line bet’s interval of favoritism-which is its formidable 2-to-1 chance to win-has been subtracted. Dice bettors inclined to believe Place bets “pay more” should factor this reality into their thinking.

[@ColorUp]

Yep, and I have described that in many videos. They are very different bets, and both have their advantages and disadvantages. There is no magic bet, both will lose to house, some bets lose a bigger cut than others.

[@dougcarroll3376]

Also, are you allowed to do BOTH come and place bets on the same numbers? Aggressive but are you allowed to do that?

[@ColorUp]

yes, this especially comes into play, when you have met the table maximum on a number with one type of bet, then you can also max out the other type bet.

[@stevecamarano7146]

LIKE ALL HIS VIDEOS!!!! TYVM!!!!

[@HunterPhenomMakoy]

Aren’t the place bets normally off on the come out roll?

[@ColorUp]

By default, yes they are. Must request to have them working

[@HunterPhenomMakoy]

@@ColorUp ok I didn’t know most people request them on. But I’ve only played a couple of times and always let them go off since I was betting the pass line anyway and would win on a seven there.

[@ColorUp]

@@HunterPhenomMakoy Sorry, i said you Must request them on, not Most request haha. I think it is more rare to turn place bets on.

[@HunterPhenomMakoy]

@@ColorUp ok gotcha. Thanks.

[@donkarnashs1542]

Any tricks to roll a 12 ? Or a 2?

[@ColorUp]

Nope

[@huntingiowa9426]

End 255 on the right werd!

[@ddoungpanya]

Place bets all across then take them off after a few wins until 7 rolls. repeat the bets with new shooter.

[@ColorUp]

Works great when can avoid early 7.

[@tzadiko]

@colorup I did the math and discovered that the only change you would have to make the Pass (and Come) fair (0 house edge) is to change the loss on a come-out 12. If you only lost 49¢ on come-out 12 (instead of a whole dollar/unit), the Pass and Come would be zero house-edge bets (totally fair). The same thing with the Don'ts... If you won 49¢ on come-out 12, instead of pushing, it would be a totally fair bet. That also explains why the house edge on the Don'ts is just a TINY bit lower than the Do's. When a come-out 12 pushes for a Don't player, they are missing out on only 49¢ of a fair payout. But when a Do player loses his bet, he's losing 51¢ more than he should (he loses $1 instead of 49¢, a difference of 51¢)

[@ColorUp]

Yep, they are very good bets, just need the dice to go in your favor just a little to overcome edge and win.

[@sizzler4eva]

First comment award goes to.....

[@ColorUp]

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[@JayAr709]

The aggregated effect of place and buy betting is poisonous and is why most place bettors don’t last. Pass Line and one or two Come bets should be your core tactic for qualified shooters, always parlaying naturals at least once. Full Spreads may be achieved by means of Stretch Plays. Converted Come bets, work well, also. For unqualified shooters, place the Six and Eight only.

[@brizzlex1919]

What makes someone a "qualified" shooter?

[@JayAr709]

@@brizzlex1919 ** Main money ** funding, from your line betting stake ( one of several sub bank rolls ) awaits a “qualified shooter,” yes. This is defined as a shooter capable of 1.) throwing either one, or more, natural elevens, or sevens, during a Comeout interval, or 2.) establishing a point that s/he is then able to repeat. “Qualifying” in no way alters the mathematics of Craps. But, by shedding all first order PSO shooters we can save a bundle, by the simple expedient of patiently keeping the rubber band around our main bankroll-refraining entirely from a Pass Line bet-until qualifying terms are met. Experienced dice bettors will argue it is in a right bettor’s best interests to integrate this discipline into a Comprehensive Strategy. I heartily endorse the concept, just as I approve of other worthwhile tactics designed and refined by “The Dice Doctor,” Sam Grafstein, who I knew firsthand ( may God rest his soul). The more extravagant 5-count qualifying, popularized by Frank Scoblete and others however, is ineffective overkill, in my opinion.

[@Thumbbs]

move the pass line bet so it does’nt reas “assline”

[@ColorUp]

Why

[@toxsickdog]

I swear He was doing It on purpose to test his observers.

[@Tacomaguy458]

This is why I typically play the dark side with place and come bets. I will play a $50 DP, then after a point is set, cover the 5 numbers with a $10-12 place bet, and a $5 come. Use the place bet and its winnings to cover max odds and rack the rest. If it is an even number the DP falls on, I will hedge that with a hard way to cover some of the possible rolls. This method is extremely consistent unless the shooter is just slamming points over and over again. Basically once you have 3 come bets going, you are out of the hand but keep feeding the come going off and on with max odds. It takes a few rolls to get going with fairly low risk but once you hit a couple of your come bets, your chip rack turns into a cash machine... lol

[@Twinsen764]

"Listen if you're gonna bet, bet smart."

[@pd9971]

Press those place bets!!!

[@ME-rv1pw]

17:05 If you lose your come bet why is your odds returned to you? Is that not a loss?

[@ColorUp]

The odds are off on the come out roll when the puck is off. Any other time you would lose the odds with the 7. The come bet loses on every 7 after its on a number because its a contract bet and can never be turned off

[@palemedes965]

Is it only the dice thrower who can make the "odds" bet?

[@ColorUp]

Nope, any player who makes a pass or don’t pass, come or don’t come bet can then take or lay odds

[@jamesnewberry2945]

If your not playing from the dark side the only bets you should make are place bets this is where the money is made end of story!

[@fljetgator1833]

Woo Hooooo!!! 😗 ... great video!! 🚬😎🇺🇸

[@willparker9870]

Basically what you're saying is watch the table table tells you you're not the house with unlimited time you're actually the person there for 2 hours 3 hours 20 minutes

[@ColorUp]

The math works for the casino, not the weekend player.

[@citygreek1553]

why not put bets at 5 times odds ??

[@ColorUp]

If you have the bankroll, sure

[@citygreek1553]

@@ColorUp how would you play with 5k bankroll ?

[@briceschagane8110]

Odds bets on the Come bet is returned to you? Wait, what? Did I miss something? @17:30.

[@ColorUp]

Correct, when coming out again and the game puck is off, place bets and any odds are off by default. They follow the puck. The come bet is a contract bet and always working. So if a seven is rolled your come bet loses but the odds are simply returned as they are off. You can override the default state of “off” by asking your dealer to have your odds working fir the come out roll.

[@briceschagane8110]

@@ColorUp Thanks for the clarification. I missed that part. :-)

[@bill0804]

Thanks for another video:) I was at the Browns game Sunday!!! Wooof woof woof

[@ColorUp]

That must have been awesome!

[@willparker9870]

5 the point now remember you got the nine then you got the point

[@pball78]

The videos are ok but hard to follow because I don’t know anyone who bets like this

[@k0unitX]

Place bettors could use the same logic and play don't pass

[@kenbrown438]

Why aren't the "six" and "eight" bought instead of placed !!!!???? In other words : why is the 6 & 8 placed instead of bought !!!!????

[@ColorUp]

It’s just the math and payouts. Always place bet the 6/8. Always buy bet the 4/10 when can. The 5/9 you should almost always place bet, but there are some table rules where it’s better to buy bet the 5/9

[@waltonwoodward6880]

At what amount $$$ do the casinos start taking out taxes on your winnings????

[@ColorUp]

For craps, no, just under one situation. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqfYn6KOh7aXeJo

[@kesslerrb]

Didn’t you start with a bankroll of $200/each? If so, then the place bettor was up, not down

[@ryanwarner5006]

The only reason to be a place better is you like statistically losing more in the long run.

[@ColorUp]

Sure, I don’t play “in the long run” though

[@ColorUp]

Thanks for your opinion. I don’t agree, the long term math works for the casino, not the player. Long term players cannot win as the math grinds you down. This weekend I can have some lucky rolls and win big. The short term. If I only play a couple more times, I could also get lucky for most trips. The short term. If I played daily like the casino does, my luck would run out. The long term.

[@ColorUp]

@@JJJJ-hp9oz I actually have a couple videos showing the place better coming out ahead of line/odds player. Of course this is short term rolls...but kinda defeats your "guarantee line guy fairs better" Of course it just depends on how the dice roll for that short term session. The long term house edge doesn't factor into too much.

[@ColorUp]

@@JJJJ-hp9oz So if you play a table at 5pm on the strip and its a little bouncy, you won't win? You must be a dice control guy...very superstitious :)

[@JayAr709]

Point Contest myopia. Nor has the arbitrary balancing or favoring of a particular box point over another any importance whatever.

[@ColorUp]

Thanks for watching

[@rickysmith6041]

I'm sorry but that whole thing about how a line bet + odds pays out less than a place bet on the number is nonsensical. It might not even make it to a point, that's why it's different. I feel like it's kind of obvious. ok I guess you were going to lead up to that, it seemed like you were saying it's better because of that.

[@ColorUp]

They are different bets. Can’t truely be compared.

[@rickysmith6041]

@@ColorUp exactly. btw great content on your channel!

[@id10t98]

@7:23 imo, you kind of misrepresent the payouts saying you get paid more with the place bet as opposed to the (pass line) odds bet. You only put $10 behind your $5 pass line bet and said it's EQUAL to the risk of the $15 you placed on the 9. While the amount of money is the same, this is technically incorrect. Mathematically this is wrong given the odds bet are even with the house as well as a player cant even place the odds bet without first putting down a pass line bet, so the risk is not the same. Given the payout for the place bet is only 5% more ($1/$20), this still falls short of covering the odds between the pass line odds bet (0%) house edge, to the house edge of 6%+ on the placed bet, while including the 1.4% edge the house has on the pass line bet. While the percent is minimal, every little bit helps if you are playing a rigged game.

[@igottabasketballjones7420]

Place “Bettor” huh

[@ColorUp]

better to be a place bettor? ha

[@tzadiko]

The fatal flaw in your reasoning is that Pass and Come bets can win on ANY box number, as well as come out wins, whereas place bets only can win on 1 number. Your comparison cuts the legs off of much of the power of Pass and Come bets by only comparing the 2nd part of those bets to place bets. You are essentially comparing "put bets" to place bets. This faulty reasoning leads to a very wrong conclusion. In fact Pass and Come with odds is a much better bet than place bets.

[@ColorUp]

I discussed the big advantage that pass line has on come out roll and lower house edge. Come bets…you don’t want a “7 front line winner” as they all would lose. My reasoning is not faulty, it’s an opinion, just like yours. Long term, neither is going to help either one of us, beat the casino so…pick your poison.

[@tzadiko]

@Color Up my main issue with your analysis is that you say you're comparing the payouts of Pass bets vs place bets, but you're really comparing PUT bets vs place bets. Only a PUT bet works the way you're comparing it.... where the bet only wins on one number. Obviously "put" bets are worse than place bets, but you're calling them Pass bets or Come bets. It leads your audience to believe that Pass and Come bets are just as bad as "put" bets, when that's totally untrue. To prove this to yourself, try doing an analysis of "put" bets with odds vs place bets. You'll find yourself making exactly the same points, with the same numbers, as you've done here. Since you know that "put" bets are not the same as Pass bets, then that should be your proof that the analysis you're doing does NOT apply to Pass bets.

[@ColorUp]

Well I was also pretty clear, they are very different bets and therefore there is no true way to compare them. Play whichever way you like. It’s gambling, and either way you choose the house always wins in the end. This was a video about why I prefer to bet a certain way. I’m not trying to convince anyone that it’s somehow better or a winning strategy. That would be foolish. Your more than welcome to argue that your “losing” method of gambling is better than my “losing” method of gambling. But on any given session the dice decide which was better.

[@ColorUp]

As I said there is no way to compare as they are different bets, but the thing with pass and come bets, once they are on a number, yes, they act as a put bet, and I can compare and say place bets pay better than put bets until 5x odds are greater. You can’t add odds to a pass/come bet until it’s on a number, so i can’t exactly compare that stage 1 of bet to a place bet.