Why I'm No Longer Vegan... Bonny Rebecca Response

[@tumourfreetim]

To fight stage 4 lung cancer I made 39 diet and lifestyle changes. Plant based raw food and no refined sugar was 1st change. Given 3 months to live in feb 2017. Today happily tumourfreetim

[@nyxs60]

tumourfreetim that’s just amazing! Congrats!!!

[@blissfulbaboon]

Good for you . congratulations!

[@JackTheStrippa]

Sugar is a bad component are you saying it's meat or the sugar was the problem?

[@tumourfreetim]

Tony Don red and cured meat is classified by US health authorities. Check it out. My first round of massive tumour reduction involved no refined sugar and no red meat. Removing sugar and red meat just part of a range of things I did to boost immune system.

[@rossbulmer6009]

I am so happy for you :)

[@Chiungalla79]

If people get problems or die from too much meat and dairy no one talks about their diet or questions it. The worst you will get is that they needed to stop eating in this way (as an individual) when the doctor told them to do so. If people get problems with a particularly extreme version of veganism, veganism as a whole is perceived as unhealthy. That's called a double standard.

[@iamsilkina]

This is so absolutely true! When I went vegan I subconciously did this too. I would get a flu and immediately blamed the veggies but when I was a meat eater, never once did I blame the meat or dairy. I'm more aware now, new vegan (4 months and documenting it on my KZbin channel hehe) but love it so far!

[@stephenlord1986]

Anything is bad for you if you don't eat it in moderation!, yes of course eating red meat in vast quantities is bad for you, not even meat eaters would deny that, but a diet that includes a regulated amount of both meat and veg is superior to one without meat.saying nobody talks about diet when someone dies because of their diet is absolute nonsense.

[@valentineaugust4221]

Every time a minority is perceived negatively in ANY context, one person having an issue reflects on the whole community. The world sucks that way

[@stephenlord1986]

@@valentineaugust4221 "Why I'm not vegan anymore" videos are going up daily.

[@WorldOfARandomVegan]

Exactly

[@tristian9006]

Fruitarian style diets can be really bad. We need veggies, nuts, legumes, fats. People always go so extreme with fad diets and it never ends well.

[@cat_pb]

Exactly !!

[@starcatcher3691]

More than that. We need beans, grains and potatoes. The basis for most food in the world.

[@FredonMaylor]

Well it always depends on the person, for some people frutarianism may work well if their gutts can handle all that fructose... When I get sick like a flu I only eat fruits for that period and I get back to feeling great. I wouldn’t consider going full frutarianist for a long time tho, there’s no time for me to eat fruit constantly trying to meet the minimum daily calorie needs.

[@RawVeganGinger]

I’ve been following a fruit based lifestyle for over 5 years now and I’m running marathons. How are these diets “bad”? Because people don’t eat enough. It’s not for everyone that’s for sure but “bad”? Where’s your proof. Peep my insta and see how consistent and full of energy I am 😉

[@Furiends]

Yeah I'd still like a rundown on fats actually. It's my opinion you definitely need some but at an insignificant source of calories to the point the fatty acids should be thought of more as vitamins that just happen to be caloric like Omega-3s etc. Eat your FLAX SEED

[@caseymindful]

It's so important for people to recognize that you can eat unhealthily on any "diet". Thank you so much for making this video, my dude. Very informative.

[@baynaraoa921]

So why do all vegans quit eventially ? Why is it so hard to follow the vegan diet ?

[@gloriadiaz5752]

@@baynaraoa921 it's not hard for me, I actualy feel better now, I 'm not vegan I'm vegetarian ( planing on going vegan ) but I have vegan friends and we all agree that meat is cruel and gross

[@wolfpackpete6408]

@@gloriadiaz5752 I think now is the best time to do more research of your own. Look at the other side of the debate... Even an article by healthline that started by saying a plant based diet was healthy, quickly went on to say that it was void of nutrients and supplements are needed. That particular article names 7 of the nutrients you can't get from plants and supplements are a very bad alternative to eating your natural diet. So the article was basically promoting veganism for the sale of supplements. The missing nutrients mentioned are vital for brain function. Maintaining healthy bone and teeth structure. Healthy skin and muscle fibers... Basically every part of you requires the consumption of animal products to be healthy.

[@baynaraoa921]

@Eric Dee ye but getting fruits and vegetables is hard during the winter or in food deserts sadly, not everyone can do that also where i live the super healthy fruits are expensive af and can be found only in special stores, aka for me 1 store in the whole town of 300k people, not something i can afford on a average sallary beans and nuts are quite ez to find packaged, rice also, but i don't really like rice unless its cooked certain ways

[@Readyteddygo]

What did she do that was “unhealthy “? I will wait

[@TheTofuGoddess]

It seems like most of these people “quitting” veganism have tried many “extreme”/ strict diets... Just goes to show the importance of eating a well-balanced diet. And don’t stress over eating the occasional bit of junk food, either...I always thought it was weird how much these strict dieters would seemingly obsess over food...like, that doesn’t seem healthy either, mentally speaking.

[@dankbananas1456]

I can't speak for everyone, but many people, including myself, try a variety of strict, or perhaps perceived by some as "extreme" diets in an effort to combat digestive issues or other pre-existing conditions. It's easy to say not to worry about this or that when you haven't experienced the issues yourself, and trust me I certainly wish I didnt have to be so diligent about what I eat, but unless I want to put myself on the fast track to a hospital stay, I have to do so, and its deeper than just what some might consider a "healthy well balanced diet." I do agree it can cause mental stress or even mental illness for some, dealing with physical/health conditions for years will certainly do things to many peoples psyches.

[@RonPaulgirls]

YOU'RE ALL SUPER STUPID SWEETHEART.......YOUR IDEA OF HOW THE WORLD WORKS WOULD BE A LECTURE BY DR. WEASEL..........YOU AND THIS MIC MORON AND ALL OF THEM.....BUT YOU'RE STILL NICE AND CUTE, SO THAT'S WORTH SOMETHING

[@strawberrycake777]

The Tofu Goddess they’re also the ones that come forward saying that they’ve been dishonest with their followers, like you’re preaching something so strongly that isn’t working for you, could be potentially dangerous for someone else.

[@dannyborke6551]

To be fair, people with these kind of issues, including myself, can't eat such things without symptoms, like acne, bloating or acid reflux. Atleast I can't. It is not like these people does these things for fun. It's because they are desperate. Even healthy food cause me problems. But indeed alot of the things these people try, is retarded. It is just sad.

[@alexiswinter7056]

No difference than trying every new diet that hits the market. Mediterranean Diet one week. Weight Watchers the next. Keto the next. None of them work because they're someone else's rules.

[@veghunter5949]

I just left animal products off my plate but ate exactly the same. simple, easy , 7 years vegan. No problems.

[@earthling_za]

Same here! I've never been health-conscious, never really paid attention to make sure I was getting 'what I need' - going on 9 years and no problems. Guess we're some of the lucky ones?

[@tweedledummie]

That's actually a good point maybe people like us don't have problems with veganism because we didn't fall into some dark corner of the vegan world and are not eating some extreme fully raw/ vegan keto/ fruitarian fad vegan diets like all these people who of course will blame it on veganism instead of the real culprit - their crash diet? Instead we are eating a varied balanced diet? As in we didn't like shock our systems with completely changing the way we eat while ALSO eliminating animal products so there were no weird gut issues or deficiencies because we're still more or less eating the same way we always have been? (The way it should be really?)

[@WorldOfARandomVegan]

Thank you!! I have done the same thing, and I've been vegan 4.5 years with no issues. I don't understand the extreme versions of vegan "diets".

[@gmagam]

I think you have a point here. I'm not vegan yet but slowly trying to transition however I find the hardest part of the transition is the thought of not "getting what I need" so then we start doing weird dieting and that's where issues start.

[@veghunter5949]

@@gmagam Hi, we vent vegan by just leaving meat off the plate. Then we bought alternatives vegan stuff. Eggs, I did not miss them, cheese, use to love the stuff but when I saw the suffering I caused buying the stuff, to cows . Didn't want any part of it. Its so, so easy now to be vegan. I don't need the drug , meat any more. Because that's what it is. The amount of times people that have said to me. I can't do without my meat.

[@Simnettnutrition]

Great video Mic! I remember reading about the b12 acne connection a while ago as I was suspicious for myself. I am definitely part of the 10%. I find smaller doses doesn’t have the same effect. 👊

[@landerhendrickx3522]

Simnett Nutrition do you take low doses daily now or high doses once per week?

[@MojciMojcek]

Yes, I've had problems with B12 too. I used Boost sublingual (very high dosage) for a while and always got at least two or three pimples the next day which was super weird because I've never had problems with acne. When I read about others experiencing the same thing, I switched to B12 tablets. Sometimes I still use Boost, but only a little spray here or there. My boyfriend uses Boost without a problem. So that's definitely something to consider.

[@enasksenos]

@@MojciMojcek Also it'd be a good idea to go for preservative-free supplements may I add.

[@orlistentatious]

I had an actual B12 deficiency that started before I went vegetarian, let alone vegan, so my doctor finally prescribed lifelong B12 injections (hydroxocobalamin) in 2014 whilst I was eating a veggie diet. I remember after the first fortnight of getting the 6 injections my face was COVERED with the most acne I've ever had in my entire life. It's like I went from mild acne (which I'd only developed as an adult) to really severe acne overnight! It seemed to be less common knowledge that B12 could cause this "acne-like rash" back in 2014. The severe acne thankfully cleared up after a few weeks, but I noticed that I would get some more minor breakouts after the first couple of maintenance injections every 12 weeks. However, now I never notice any acne after those maintenance injections or when I eat B12-fortified foods.

[@Hurricanetongue]

i also get breakouts from taking B12 supplements. I have no problem with fortified B12 foods.

[@samanthaledosquet4886]

I have Crohns disease. I had my large intestine removed completely 4 years ago and that didn't solve the problem. Recently in a last effort to save the rest of my gut and get a little relief from the inflammation, I've started a vegetarian diet with very very few dairy products and very very few eggs. I had an endoscopy 6 months after cutting out meat and most other animal products, and for the first time ever my disease is in remission! Is that a coincidence? I don't think so. Now that I am moved out, I am fully transitioning into veganism. I think that when its done carefully, it really is the healthiest way to go. I'm a walking example of its benefits.

[@jvalentine82]

I went into remission (Ulcerative Colitis) 20+ years ago after going vegan.

[@jvalentine82]

Janie Myers I have colitis, not Crohn’s. But I have found I need more dry or starchy foods than is probably ideal. Too many raw vegetables and especially greens really tear up my stomach and intestines. It helps to incorporate more rice and corn tortillas and potatoes. I do well with cooked broccoli and cooked cauliflower, although they do cause lots of gas. I can still digest them OK though. I also do really well with fruit, especially bananas and mango. Sometimes I do better with fats than others. I think it’s really important to play around with different types of nuts or nut butters. For some reason avocado and coconut can be difficult for me to digest. Oh and I have done well with chia and hemp seeds!

[@violettababenko4847]

So your experience is the law for everyone? and it negates her experience?

[@jessicapreece79]

@@janiemyers6959 that happened with my mum. When I started transitioning to veganism, she tried to as well. But because of stomach issues she had to stop, as being a healthy vegan means consuming lots of fibre, but we found out later she couldn't have that much so she started eating meat and stuff again. It's a shame some people are basically unable to transition

[@camillab8830]

@@violettababenko4847 she wasn’t saying that... j

[@mellonlord4616]

I got IBS on a SAD diet. YEARS before I went vegan. No one says meat gave it to me. That's the sad thing. I have empathy for them but it's such a boon to vegan critics...'see see it doesn't work". Yeah well your meat doesn't work for me. Every time I'd have a bite of meat as a plant based person I'd very quickly regret it and spend the night in the bathroom. NO THANKS!

[@letsgetsocialinfo]

That's because the sad diet is not an all meat diet.. the fruitarian diet is all fruit

[@ashley3461]

@@AmetReloads What does fiber have to do with anything in this discussion?

[@carinaekstrom1]

@@AmetReloads An unhealthy vegan diet would mean not ENOUGH fiber.

[@venkats5368]

Um, what's a SAD diet? I genuinely don't know

[@chvjdvpa3746]

Venkat S Standard American Diet. SAD says it all BTW, don't you think?

[@gffriedman]

1) “being vegan was everything. It was my identity” is not psychologically sound 2) if a KZbinr changing their diet effects you, that’s not psychologically sound

[@sunnypepper4777]

She also noted personal stress from family issues. And being on youtube, with so much attention and probably plenty of trolls/haters, I have to believe that is difficult on the psyche requiring enormous mental strength. Plus who knows what private relationship or other social pressures they face that are impossible to discuss publicly? Could these factors affect inflammation, sleep, acne, and so on? Lovely people wishing them great health and happiness.

[@jacobnunya808]

Why anyone would care about trolls and haters is beyond me.

[@soshio_]

i know someone who has gut issue that almost always goes away/get a whole lot better when she's on vacation. she has IBS and suffers from constipation on daily basis, but stress is what really worsen her symptoms.

[@tamcon72]

That part in her video about inflammatory markers: My C reactive protein and L homo-cysteine were as bad as those of a heart patient--I wasn't one--while acting as the sole caregiver to my dying mother. No doctor speculated that it was caused by my plant-based diet, and neither did I. If BR's doctors didn't ask about acute lifestyle stressors and instead added things to her diet that clinically increase inflammatory markers, that borders on malpractice, IMO.

[@SandraFruitsYou]

sunny pepper yes stress can play a huge detrimental role on health. My sister had bloating to where she looked pregnant plus hives all over her body. The doctors prescribed a bunch of medications but none of that helped. You know what cured her mystery illness? Getting rid of her mentally abusive boyfriend. Once she got that stress out of her life her symptoms miraculously went away. This was a painful 9 months for our family. She would be crying almost every day, she became afraid of almost all food. She would eat a certain food one day and be fine then the next time get the acid reflux and bloated pregnant belly. This situation was an extremely hard on my whole family. Digestive enzymes and stinging nettle were the few things that calmed things down but getting rid of the ex boyfriend stress.. poof everything went back to normal she remained vegan throughout and is still vegan til this day.

[@jeffreydarby2424]

Great job discussing a sensitive issue. A healthy vegan diet with lots of variety and exercise is the way to go! I have been vegan for 28 years! I have had no issues and excellent health. Keep up the good work for the health of humans and the protection of animals!!!

[@ulrikelypayne]

Amazing!! 🙏😍💪

[@healthyone100]

wow great same here been vegan 33 years it would be suicidal for me to go back!

[@Sammie551]

@@healthyone100 Don't you get mocked by getting called "Vegan"?

[@HenchHerbivore]

Wait, you DON'T have time travelling nano-robots!?!

[@TheTastyVegan]

Yeah right? Who doesn't nowadays😂

[@CoffeeBeanWitch]

Mine are on their way in the post...

[@MictheVegan]

Shhhh, I’m trying to keep that under wraps. I hope they believe me 🤖🤘

[@g.h7657]

If he was eating meat he couldve achieved that by now. Smh! (If you cant tell im mocking carnist comments xD)

[@broddr]

G. H -- because the brain needs cholesterol! (Also mocking this other insanely common carnist response.)

[@janefaulkner1216]

Vegan for 2yrs. Never been healthier. Never going back. Love what you do Mic!! X

[@adriannah3283]

Jane Faulkner Today is my 2 year veganniversary! Congrats on being vegan for 2 years too! 💖

[@surlespasdondine]

After 2 years I definitely said that too. Sometimes a few years down the line it does not look the same anymore...

[@adriannah3283]

surlespasdondine what do you mean?

[@johnnyroe8053]

@@surlespasdondine if you do it wrong

[@GR-uc1gq]

My one is is in February!

[@abbeyjohnston9224]

Whoa. Wait. I’ve been working out everyday for about a month now. My bloating went down like crazy and I was super happy with that. Stopped working out for a few days bc life got really busy really quickly. Began to notice really bad bloating, slight pain and discomfort, cramping, and not as regular or “clean” bowel movements. Has exercise been the cure for these symptoms all along? Idk if I have IBS but I definitely deal with digestive issues. Wild.

[@fauxcommander]

Abbey Johnston Same for me. The last month has been bloaty af

[@abbeyjohnston9224]

Anna Zoja bloating sucks :/ i still don’t know what triggers it for me

[@martinemeeks5065]

I strongly believe that our female hormonal ups and downs through the month also impact the digestive system

[@emilymarguerita2781]

I had this realization recently. I have terrible constipation, cramping, abdo pain etc. If I work out daily my bowels are amazing, regular, no pain, no bloating. Even if I just do yoga it helps, but heavy exercise works best!

[@Cody-up6dt]

i am a competitive swimmer and i had bloating while swimming last season. i wish i wasnt vegan during the season i had to shit constantly and my stomach would literally be distended like 4 inches.. yea not cool

[@user-yh8li2tm8g]

Why is it always the people who take things to the extreme (and 'make it their identity' like Bonny said) that end up quitting?

[@kicik5038]

They're narcissistic. Blaming on fibre 🙄

[@tinknal6449]

Because they hit rock bottom faster. Fast suicide vs slow.

[@samanthamae3930]

Its frustrating that the moment a vegan gets sick it’s got to be because they aren’t eating animal products

[@zyrup2012]

Yeah right? And on the other hand non vegans never seem to make a connection between their health struggles and their miserable diets unless it's 100% obvious

[@JohnDoe-my8kj]

I got a cold the other day because I went vegan for one meal. It had nothing to do with the fact that I was standing out in the rain for 12 hours without an umbrella or poncho

[@xLittleulipx]

Don't hate on me, but they didn't "instanly" thought that it was the fault of veganism.

[@CookingOrSomething]

If you watched the video she said they didn’t want to believe it was veganism and tried dozens of other options for about four years. It’s frustrating when vegans stop caring about the wellbeing of other people to promote an agenda. - a vegan

[@macysmine4338]

Lissa Brooks I agree! You can see that this tore Bonny apart.

[@ashleyhappenstotravel]

I’ve seen so many “why I’m not longer a vegan” videos and many of them seem to be centered around health issues. If I was feeling bad or having external symptoms and was told to eat fish, I’d ask my doctor what in the fish am I lacking and then try to find that in a vegan source.

[@Anna-qz6xw]

Raw In Progress when I went to get my blood work done first time after going vegan, doc asked me how often I exercised. I said I didn’t (frankly I already had a model body, wasn’t really motivated to work out, and wasn’t aware of all the health benefits associated with doing it). She replied, “No wonder you don’t because vegans don’t have energy”... Well, should I mention she was my biggest motivation! Thanks asshole doctor! I now have even better body and even more energy.

[@Furiends]

@@Anna-qz6xw OMG XD I love this! Yep. At least my doc was good intentioned but I felt the vegan bias coming off strong. While in your case I'd switch doctors if you can at least with mine I've just been educating him over time. Pretty awesome he's receptive to it. Also it helped that when I got my blood work back it was nearly perfect except for slightly low Vitamin D. No surprise there.

[@camgod4085]

There's ATLEAST 15 nutrients the you cans get on a vegan diet. End of.

[@UntakenNick]

Doctors recommend fish because it's known that fish is seen as a "friendlier" food by people suffering from that eating disorder so they'll have a higher chance of getting the patient to comply. Of course they know there's nothing unique about fish (besides DHA/EPA) and eating a slightly less deficient and equally inflammatory diet will not make a difference health wise but it's a first step to overcome their delusion.

[@warmaster072]

so why dont you actually go watch the vid then cuz the girl said she tried everything and went to multiple "vegan" doctors with no remedy. veganism a delusional ass cult and its proven by the fact that this jackass felt the need to make a video critizing the girls health problems and her decisions

[@lukebrown3593]

I know that people demonize white rice but once I switched it helped my digestion a lot.

[@WorldOfARandomVegan]

Because it has less fiber?

[@lukebrown3593]

@@WorldOfARandomVegan exactly

[@GroovySpleen]

White rice is life

[@luonteri3254]

Why would a human eat rice? Almost no vitamins, just calories. For today's human getting calories isn't the problem, getting vitamins is.

[@jazzy3037]

Luke Brown white rice also has lower levels of arsenic ❤️

[@Lulu-kt6gr]

I didn’t know they’d gone Fruitarian! Of course they had problems and messed up their gut biome.

[@lioninthesun]

Yeah because when most people go fruitarian they're still chasing that feeling of being full so they overeat. You can eat mainly fruit but too much of anything is no good

[@RoystonMonteiro]

They also tried a balanced vegan diet, but that didnt work either. Did you just not read their response that you are replying to?

[@BrocLarter]

All of these ex vegans seem to have terrible diets. Just eat a normal diet, replace meat with beans, replace dairy with almond milk, and take a couple of supplements. I take two deva supplements (hair and skin, dha), and have a scoop of hemp protein with my oatmeal. I've been vegan for 7 years and I've had no issues. The only hard thing about being vegan is traveling, and finding good restaurants in non vegan friendly cities.

[@Furiends]

"The only hard thing about being vegan is traveling" This is SO true. I must say though I've been blessed. It's amazing to me there really is only two kinds of friends you can have being vegans. Ones that are totally level headed about and respect you for it even going out of their way to find a restaurant with vegan options and then there are those that are militant assholes about it. The latter I should reconsider as friends. I've never once in my life preached veganism or pushed it on anyone else. I've only explained facts that were specifically asked about it. Yet they are complete hypocrites and try to say its vegans that are pushing anything on them.

[@nicolejarel5953]

BrocLarter that’s why my favorite KZbind is Ellen Fisher. When I watch her, I don’t feel pressure to live an extreme diet. She pays attention to her body and understands a Whole Foods balanced diet.

[@genox3636]

Yep, go on with eating vegan, while the royalty and rulers eat meat, which is superior.. keep 'feeding' the agenda.. pun intended.

[@UntakenNick]

So replacing meat with beans and consuming frankeinfoods like almond milk is a "normal diet"..? What does normal mean to you?

[@SH-lx7kj]

@@UntakenNick Well, technically beans would be a pretty normal food. Lol. I get what you mean though. Milk has one ingredient, while almond milk has 5-10, some really weird ones. I actually have to have fake milks because I cant tolerant cows milk. However, I am not a vegan. I did try it out for a few months. My hair started falling out, and the supplements made me anxious. :\

[@ProPhilosophy]

Mic. that's crazy @ 11:50 the fact that you talk about movement and IBS symptoms - I can 100% vouch as someone who has IBS that when I travel, for some odd reason it gets much better. It makes sense though. Really good observation.

[@ivanvvilela]

Do you usually drink smoothies, fruit juice, plant milks or any kind of liquid calories?

[@br00talcabbage64]

ProPhilosophy I have a friend with IBS who only bikes everywhere because it feels. Interesting.

[@anakinilo]

Same here. I feel like it is because I am not stressed on holidays

[@tamcon72]

I think another interesting factor I've heard suggested by researchers studying the stress/gut health nexus is that when traveling, acute stress--say, at the airport--increases temporarily but all other stressors decrease. You are literally leaving your stress behind at home.

[@alessandracarrillo700]

True, it's like your mind doesn't have time to concentrate in your ibs

[@mada7660]

I am so sad for them. I can't even imagine what they have gone through and then to have to admit something like that to the internet when all her life was built around veganism.. They are two beautiful human beings and I wish them the best in life.

[@tamcon72]

@GFriend Organizer If you are a vegan, you should know comments like these make vegans look like unsympathetic assholes. Think about what you are communicating to non-vegan people reading comments like this. Do better.

[@littlemissink]

She's absolutely not the victim here

[@littlemissink]

@@tamcon72 fuck off human supremacist. The truth makes vegans look unsympathetic? The truth makes malzoans look like the trash they are and you want to be there to coddle them instead of actually acknowledging their victims. Why are Apologists like this?

[@tamcon72]

@@littlemissink I'm a vegan. I am a very dedicated vegan. If you are also a vegan, you know that we want to bring more people over to our side. Being vicious is repellent, and does not in any way serve to promote the truth. Understanding this couple's difficulties and addressing them in a humane way in order to encourage them to heal themselves and come back to the vegan life, as Mic is doing, shows compassion and maturity and reflects well on vegans. Being a childishly spiteful asshole concerned only about punitive action against perceived apostates repulses the casual observer and hobbles the movement. It ends up hurting more animals because it results in fewer people finding veganism appealing. We can be sorry for animals and sorry for people who go back to eating them at the same time. It's the only way to help those people come back.

[@g.h7657]

@@tamcon72 dude the animals are dying right now. The earth will reward you for helping her. No excuses. Vegan for life

[@davemitten6137]

How do you get so much hate when you are analysing? Do people not understand that you are offering alternative explanations, with studies to back your points? Good luck. Still watching with an unbiased nor attacking eye.

[@tijanastefanovic8070]

Hahahahha ... C R A Z Y Everyone has a RIGHT to choose, and to change their mainds about the way they feed AND to TALK about it... There are tons of videos on 4. and 5. year of veganism... AND NO ONE is to be the judge of "true" and "folse" veganism... otherwise it would be a brainwashing 🤐🤐🤐

[@sstag83]

It's called cognitive dissonance.

[@tinknal6449]

This fool literally has a channel specializing in criticizing other channels and you ask this question? This is delusion of the highest degree.

[@tinknal6449]

@@sstag83 Best description of the vegan cult.

[@Diaduitireland]

Unfortunately because America is full of brainwashed people who are very much into anti-intellectualism.

[@MultiArtisme]

Just celebrated my first veganversary and my tummy feels so much better. I decided to stop eating meat last year because I thought the antibiotics in meat might be causing my gut imbalances. I had been vegetarian back in the 80s when it was believed you had to eat all the 8 essential amino acids in one meal. UGH! My friends and family weren't supportive and when I cheated I got really sick. So I stopped. Anyways, thanks to you and the other vegan vloggers I follow I feel supported and informed to continue being vegan and getting healthier everyday. I'm embarrassed by how long it took me think eating dead animals is bad for me, the animals and the planet. But I'm here now and thankful for all your info.

[@WorldOfARandomVegan]

💕

[@rnmatsuda]

I feel the same way sometimes but then I remember that I am vegan now and it makes me happy that I did not wait longer to go vegan. I think we might have gone vegan about the same time :)

[@smexyNiallHoran]

Awesome! I feel the same about not going vegan but it's never too late and it's been the best decision I have ever made.

[@Furiends]

We must heal together. It's also no surprise that you make up the vast majority of the experiences vegans have but the rest of the world has a vegan failure complex and will not only presume any case of a vegan failing confirms all their assumptions but also assume one failure in their lives equals a pointless endeavor lost on them that veganism is a step in a spectrum but the vegan cause is just as afforded by those eating less meat as those eating none of it.

[@locutia7]

I am sorry they did not thrive. Better not to stick with something that does not bring good health. While I love my vegan life, it may not work for everyone. I wish them well.

[@NoLefTurnUnStoned.]

Carole Powell Wow another broad minded vegan. Bless sister.

[@carlystaples3512]

What a lovely attitude

[@garypack1709]

Every now and then I run into someone who is truly happy inside You sound like one of them

[@ludiba3504]

Just remember if you ever encounter any problems similar to the couple, eat an egg or fish, it will help your body marvelously

[@garypack1709]

@@ludiba3504 Why don't they see this it is s obvious

[@jordanbethanne]

When I went vegan my acne literally went away. I have always had acne until then almost 10 years ago.

[@fzfzfzfzfzfz]

That's because you cut out dairy.

[@cheesecake7274]

​@@fzfzfzfzfzfzim allergic to dairy, so I never ate it. Yet when I went vegan (so also no more eggs and fish), my acne disappeared too!

[@maid2suffer]

..."ride-your-bike-type diet" had me in TEARS laughing!

[@zarelli7831]

My diet is about 80% vegan and 20% fish

[@iNatalie56]

I think Raw Alignment is gonna be the next one

[@user-yh8li2tm8g]

I can see that. She is very extreme with her diet, and isn't she already having health problems

[@karenflores4987]

Yep she can't seem to be able to manage her candida problems, Joey had the same problem and having those issues made me quit too. Only eggs and fish for now. But man it sucks when you try everything to get better under a plant based diet but get worse

[@redizrad]

For sure, she may as well post the video already it's pretty obvious.

[@ericamachado7073]

You were right lol

[@danielamerino2470]

She just came out! Good riddance!

[@Veganforlife-np6qj]

I had been vegetarian for 16 years, and vegan for 8 with no problems when I got a massive massive gut issue after getting my 3rd gardasil vaccine. I was in constant pain from the food I was eating, and was intolerant to almost everything. I think if I hadn't so noticeably gotten it right after the vaccine, and had I not been healthy for years on a vegan diet I might have been one of these people blaming veganism. My health deteriorated a lot for a couple of years, but gradually it improved and improved and now my gut is pretty much back to normal. I ended up doing a lot of things that seem to be good for sibo just naturally like raw garlic and tons of ginger and cilantro with everything, and increasing my omega 3 intake, so I think I just got extremely lucky and solved the problem while staying vegan! 17 years vegan now with no gut issues anymore :). I feel badly for these people who suffer and don't know how to get better, but there definitely is a way to recover while staying vegan, and it's not the vegan diet to blame, which we know because so many non-vegans suffer from the same issues.

[@sorrowtooth5494]

It was the vaccine! Please don't let that come with a light blow, vaccines are LITERALLY pointless. The FDA even said that the USA are the guinea pigs of drugs. It's not a coincidence that it happened after the shot. I can link some VERY good videos destroying vaccines if you'd like. Glad you feel better! Vegetarian for 5 months, want to be vegan for the next 115 years :)

[@sorrowtooth5494]

@Bailee Galloway You are definitely on the right track. I wish i never had my vaccines at birth, and you can guarantee ill never get another flu shot or any vaccine unless its an absolute emergency. For links, look up Dr. Sherri Tenpenny on youtube. She talks about Gardasil, Flu shots, Polio shots, pretty much all of the main ones. She is an exremely credible source, i have watched hours of her speeches. I hope this helps! Stay safe and healthy. Namaste

[@sorrowtooth5494]

@Bailee Galloway One more thing - eat plant based. I cannot stress that enough. I wont go into much detail, because i can easily write a 1,000 paragraph essay on it. It will BOOST your health through the roof, and in long term as well. Single handedly the best decision ive ever made in my life.

[@illfield3]

@Bailee Galloway please don't believe everything you hear. Dr Sherri Tenpenny is an osteopath, which is a type of alternative medicine that emphasizes manual readjustments, myofascial release and other physical manipulation of muscle tissue and bones. She is not an immunologist, please check the people you get your information from and be careful. Vaccinations are very important in keeping debilitating and deadly diseases from reappearing in today's society and hopefully eradicating them. Vaccinations have helped protect us from polio, measles, smallpox, rabies, rotavirus, pertussis, influenza, chickenpox, meningococcal, HPV and more. Please be careful and get your information from both sides of the fence so that you can make an informed decision, not a biased decision. Trust in clinical trials and peer reviewed papers, not some osteopath that is spouting pseudoscience.

[@Bathoggywinger]

Andrew Wakefield was never discredited in his call for more research between vaccines and damaged gut biome. The propagandist who attacked Wakefield was Brain Deer, employed by the Murdoch propaganda empire who was also a GlaxoKlyneSmith board member, and hired as a mercenary by the British Medical Association(Doctor's Union) because their BMJ(Journal) openly advertises for pharmaceutical ad-revenue as do most journals. Its speculated vaccines offer no resistance, do not contribute to human Immunol baselines and are functionally useless. Historically what reduced disease was better population management in social economy, development of sanitation systems and a proper system to dispose of hazardous waste, the culling of infectious vectors such as wild animal populations, etc etc. Its also striking no one is calling out the explosion in "booster's" in childhood schedules. You'd almost think they didn't even have longevity given how many vaccines are being added to those schedules.

[@0mega.mechan1c.]

I don't get it. I inheirited adult acne from both my parents. Giving up vegetarianism and going Vegan zapped ALL my skin problems.

[@fogonveganoasmr6973]

It's called epigenetics: you might inherit the gene but depending on your environment, diet and other lifestyle factors you turn it on and off :)

[@sigissigis3174]

What people call 'acne' can be a dozen different reactions/sensitivities/irritations/allergies that have nothing to do with actual acne. On top of that even actual acne comes in several different variations.

[@_soups]

False cause fallacy.

[@likira111]

@@_soups There's some stuff about a possible link between acne and dairy, so maybe that.

[@oholmes1701]

@@fogonveganoasmr6973 'the gene' ? What gene is that, the acne gene? Lol. Acne / spots are a response to what you eat or what's on your skin, you might inherit the skin from a parent that has the same response however you don't just 'get' acne, everything has a reason, and the idea that it's from genes would be the very last place to go looking, well unless you don't believe in evolution then sure, it's your genes... Go to the shop, buy 10 milk chocolate bars and eat them all, the next day you will have spots, that isn't epigenetics that's your body getting rid asap of the crap.

[@fabledhaven]

As someone who’s been vegan for 5 years now, I just want to say that you’re all absolutely nuts for thinking that you know more about someone’s health than they do/that they haven’t already consulted professionals for years and years (including vegan/plant based professionals, which you would know if you actually took the time to watch HER video) and were making themselves miserable. I’m disgusted by the amount of people who are showing no compassion or sympathy toward Bonny - not to mention how RIDICULOUSLY ableist it is for people to say that since THEY have good health, since THEY haven’t had problems from their diet, no one else would. That’s just completely and utterly untrue, as well as ridiculous - everyone’s body is different, and just because something works for you doesn’t mean that it’ll work the same for everyone else. Shame on you all for thinking that because you’ve been vegan for a few years, you have the same credentials as a medical professional and have the right to insult people who are trying to heal and become healthy again.

[@skym.3362]

Yes. This.

[@monikakoos8874]

thank you, for saying out loud my exact thoughts!

[@Avenger222]

There's no evidence to suggest that they couldn't remain on a vegan diet. There's no research or studies that conclude that someone cannot be vegan. Could certain genetic conditions or rare diseases make it more difficult? Definitely! At the end of the day, Bonny made the *choice* . She *chose* to stop being vegan, not because she had to. I'm not making a value judgement statement, I'm simply stating the facts.

[@nadiaxogirl]

Loved this.

[@carbiegirl5899]

fabledhaven 🤣

[@brandonqueen2608]

PS: I made a snarky comment on one of your oil-is-bad videos and now....I'm oil-free & loving it. Humbled & grateful haha

[@tiffanyl589]

So, as I'm watching this video my 4yr old walks over and says, "Wow mom, that shirt looks great on that guy!" I thought you might like to hear that lol.

[@Thesladenator97]

#thathappened 👀

[@angeldream1]

Ur kid did not say that

[@angeldream1]

#stuffKidsDidnotSay

[@honest_bishop5905]

Fake and Gay

[@metoo1333]

@@angeldream1 how do you know?

[@eCitizen1]

A few days ago, I met a failed raw vegan. His diet was lacking many important foods. I recommended Dr. Michael Greger's daily checklist. It's been a great guide for me.

[@Reny2701]

🤦‍♀️

[@wanderingbox7971]

👍

[@lasvegasbeet]

Greger is not raw and he walks A LOT, that’s why he is extra thin.

[@kubi-2b]

@@lasvegasbeet no, he looks thin because he lacks animal based nutrients that aren't present in the vegan diet

[@lunairies]

I’ve just paused 1:00 and I just want to thank you for your consideration in your intro. It’s nice to see some kindness.

[@justcallmebookworm7543]

Absolutely brilliant! I think you may have just solved the ex-vegan mystery, Mic! For the longest time, I had been browsing through ex-vegan vids (mostly sv3rige's) trying to figure out what could actually be causing the phenomenon. There are 2 major things I noticed in the vast majority of cases: 1) The vast majority of ex-vegans seem to have eaten a raw vegan diet of some sort (very often fruitarian--Douglas Graham's 80/10/10 or Freelee's RawTill4) and 2) The most common symptoms were gut related--diarrhea, bloating, abdominal pain, etc. After reviewing Gojiman's vids, as well, I began to think that the majority of ex-vegans were experiencing some SIBO. I originally though that this must have been related to the simple sugar consumption from the enormous amounts of fruits that these people were eating, but I couldn't find a studies that provided a biologically plausible mechanism. This led me to eventually speculate that it might be caused by decreased intestinal motility from hypothyroidism. Raw diets do sometimes recommend restriction of salt and don't seem to recommend supplementation of iodine. Still, this seems like a tenuous connection. I wasn't satisfied with this at all. But here you come with a vid and study explaining fructose malabsorption! At just the right time, too! I had been watching ex-vegan vids for a few days now. The study you cite shows that humans have a limit to how much fructose we can absorb. And that fructose malabsorption is strongly linked to IBS. It's not much of a stretch to also link it to SIBO, as well. If SIBO is involved, this could definitely explain why they then start having intestinal problems with fiber and other carbs, too. And if this is really the cause, then the treatment naturally follows. They might possibly solve their gut issues by going on a low-fiber, low-carb vegan diet and then periodically challenge test with starchy or fiber-rich foods to see if they still have reactions to them. Theoretically, this might work! This puts it all together for me! (And is much better than wildly speculating about meat and/or fat deficiencies without any grounding in scientific evidence.) I'd be very interested to see some kind of collaboration between you and Gojiman on this. Maybe you could tell him about this? I'd be very interested in seeing him recommend the above diet change as a treatment and seeing what the results will be! Fantastic showing, Mic! Just brilliant!

[@infonoids]

I think Mic definitely hit the general points as to the sources of their issues with veganism. I just think any form of extremism/one type of food diets, whether meat, fruit, or even potato, causes issues in the long run. Vegans must substantiate their diets with some medical studies if they wish to be healthy and have longevity. That's why I like Mic's channel, because he substantiates his claims about what he says. People get caught up in the "natural fallacy", that is (x is good because it's natural, x is not good because its not natural.

[@justcallmebookworm7543]

@@infonoids I absolutely agree, Jabari! I subbed to Mic's channel for exactly the same reason! He backs up everything he says with science! There's so much psuedoscience flying around the vegan community that his channel is a real godsend!

[@oliviadavidson9235]

Realistically a low carb. low fibre diet includes processed mock meats and cheeses with the occasional veggie. The nutritional value of that diet is non-comparable to the nutrients provided by eggs and fish. I just can't see how someone could follow a diet like that when veganism is already limiting your options you're now cutting out staples like grains, nuts, seeds and a lot of vegetables. What are you expecting these people to eat!?

[@justcallmebookworm7543]

@@oliviadavidson9235 Well, the only reason for this would be if they were having horrible gut issues (diarrhea, bloating, abdominal pain, etc.) that was potentially caused by fructose malabsorption induced SIBO. To reduce the overgrowth of bacteria in the small intestine, they would likely have to temporarily limit their carbs/fiber. I've heard low-carb, vegan diets are doable. Probably would consist mainly of avocados, nuts, seeds, nut butters, mock meats and cheeses, like you said. Doesn't sound appetizing to me. I like my starches. But sounds reasonably doable temporarily. And, of course, only if they want to treat their SIBO with a vegan diet. If they don't mind becoming ex-vegans, then w/e I guess.

[@oliviadavidson9235]

Just Call Me Bookworm you could survive but gut issues take a long time to heal so temporary may mean a year and the low carb, low fibre vegan diet just isn’t sustainable for that long and the deficiencies they would get from this diet would just lead to more health problems and a shit tonne of supplements. I think the practitioner had to make the call to tell them to eat animal products because they sought his advice and if he put them on said low carb/fibre vegan diet the risk of them getting worse would be liable to him and Tim was already close to be hospitalised so the practitioner had to make sure he was giving the best nutritional advice he could even though it went against their moral values.

[@nicoleallais2688]

Thank you for responding with such compassion. Complete opposite of Freelee, you actually provide helpful information and with kindness. Wish more vegans were like this.

[@KJAlways]

I agree with you, Nicole. It is obvious he is not a Vegan Fundamentalist or Vegan Nazi. Yay!

[@ninjanerdstudent6937]

It is astonishing how many variants of vegan meals exist. It is so diverse.

[@maralavellan7863]

@tylerx2f01 lmao what? You're so ill-informed.

[@Alexardelean89]

I have a dairy allergy and I still ate it and I just suffered and got fed up with feeling sick so I stopped. And I gave up red meat last spring. I’m slowly working my way to meat free.

[@baddie1shoe]

Alex J - give up refined sugar/ carbs before you give up animal proteins.

[@deandraboolsen]

Alex J That’s so good!

[@jessicapreece79]

Yay ! Congratulations on your journey 💗

[@jessicapreece79]

I have a dairy allergy as well and it really does feel so good once you finally cut it out !

[@ReasonMakes]

Congratulations on your progress but it's important that we recognize what we actually mean when we say we're "working towards" being vegan. From a health standpoint that may be fine, but what about the animals? What we're really saying is we're going to continue abusing animals for our own convenience. Surely you're against animal abuse in principle, so really we should all be vegan asap. Challenge22 has resources if you need help.

[@Chelso.___]

I suffered from IBS as soon as I went vegan. Blamed it for a year on “detox” until it was so painful I went to the doctor and was diagnosed with celiac disease. The high carb diet and gluten literally destroyed my gut. I’m still trying to heal it (it’s now been 1.5 years). Had to cut out bananas completely as they would take me back to square one. I’m pretty much almost at full health (I think), but I am still suffering from acne, tiredness and occasional bloating. Still, veganism has changed my life for the better and there is definitely NO going back. Fuck eating eggs and fish to fix my acne. I’d rather stick pins in my eyes. ew

[@imaginarynumber8520]

The fad vegan diets are dangerous. But do not blame carbs or gluten. They're not the cause. You do not develop celiac disease because of gluten. You develop it because something else has poisoned your immune system.

[@imaginarynumber8520]

In fact for any food, you can find someone who has an allergic and autoimmune reaction to it. This doesn't mean we should live on air. Rather it means that we should do diagnostic tests when we feel unwell. What ruined your health was fake science like "detox" and related delusional thinking. But fortunately you're now on the road to recovery.

[@sofiabravo1994]

fasfzx dfsafsddsfr yes I agree I was poisoned from produce at a restaurant I was dying on my way home it’s been 2 years diet changes probiotics and still suffer the effects I cannot gain weight I lost 2 babies because my BMI is so low...I can tolerate gluten anymore...it sucks like hell

[@meganwyatt7111]

11:50 I can't stress this enough. Walking just an hour a day has helped improve my IBS so so much

[@jenm1]

Megan Wyatt Certainly lifting weights and exercising regularily made my IBS much easier to deal with. I'm IBS-free now after a few weeks of low-fodmaps diet, and lowering stress, and not drinking local water. Good luck to you

[@humanityisislam]

Hi Mic, Do you think if they really cared about animals then they shouldn’t have made this video, as this will be used against Veganism and will harm animals? Shes smart enough to know that sharing her vegan failure to the world would make ppl hate veganism even more and that too at a time when trillions of animals are brutally killed and no one cares, veganism is attacked from all corners, only handful of vegans are activists?

[@mamenamamena]

Vegan Pakistani she’s only in it for the money

[@tweedledummie]

She may be trying to appeal to the new anti vegan/ carnivore crowd in the hopes that they'd be better customers since they are kinda obsessed with anything that they can use against veganism?

[@WorldOfARandomVegan]

@@mmmkay1421 Yep!

[@NLR759]

@@tweedledummie Yes, that does seem to be a popular trend now. It is much more sensational to be an ex-vegan now than a vegan. I believe most of these people are just trying to increase their youtube views.

[@Imtrying_girl]

I think this is the case unfortunately. This is just makes Veganism seem worse in the eyes of the general population!!

[@behappynutrition]

I cleared up my IBS with a vegan diet.

[@kozikowskir]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahajaha

[@ellierachael_x]

Same!

[@danieladifoggia9019]

Ahahahahahahhahahahahaha

[@vixxcottage]

I did as of February I have no further IBS after 20 years!

[@auntarktica]

No addition of the FODMAP diet for a small amount of time in the beginning?

[@spiral-m]

I know some fruitarians where it works, but others that look ill. It is pretty extreme in my opinion. I don't know anyone yet who does general whole-food plant-based nutrition who isn't doing well on average. I don't know why it has to be either fr. or not vegan!

[@positivekarolina1260]

I know people live of extreme amount of fruit, but then blame plant based diet for their issues. Rt4, 80/10/10 era isn't what it was pushed for. People were promised miracles, they got miracles...

[@dianatradex]

I don't know how vegans can go back to eating meat. I'm a vegetarian (trying to become vegan soon) and the mere thought of eating dead flesh makes me so sick and want to throw up. I can't even eat algae because they have a "fish" taste :/

[@jackedjackson8007]

Dijana Diana Trust me, if you’ve ever had serious gut issues, you’d understand.

[@Iwewolfy]

@@jackedjackson8007 I have serious gut issues, and I have enough common sense to know it's not caused by veganism. And I'm not going back to eating corpses. What I am doing is tweaking my diet until I get it right (too little fat causes my skin to dry and crack, too much causes gut issues, for example). What caused it for me was the antibiotics that I got poisoned with (I am allergic to amoxicillin, which is something I didn't know at the time, and my doctor convinced me that the burning I felt after taking it was just a side effect, 6 days later I almost died, long story), and zinc deficiency caused by taking birth control for 9 years. I already fixed the zinc issue, and I'm working on restoring the balance in the rest of the body, and repairing the damage that was caused by amoxicillin. Taking the lazy way out is not an option for me.

[@jackedjackson8007]

Ms_sun.shine Well you have fun taking years to try to figure it out. Maybe in a few years you will lol. Some of us value our health. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Iwewolfy]

@@jackedjackson8007 Well, I value the lives of others more. And I did figure it out, I don't have flair ups anymore, and my body is working better than it has in years, it will take some time to heal completely, but it would have taken even more time on other diets. There's no quick fix for gut damage.

[@jackedjackson8007]

Ms_sun.shine You value the lives of other animals more than your health? Sorry to hear that.

[@veegomi7669]

What makes me mad too is how Veganism Payed for all those Doctor visits and how she continued to Sell her VEGAN E-BOOK Long After she stopped believing in the recipes being sold in that e-book. Its so scammy how much money she made off Veganism and selling products to people she didnt even believe in anymore.

[@DanwilsonArchive]

Honestly it doesn't really matter, as she probably "converts" lots of people that buy her books. although she isn't vegan anymore, she still probably incourages alot if people to go vegan.

[@veegomi7669]

@@DanwilsonArchive that doesnt make sense at all...

[@DanwilsonArchive]

All I'm saying is if one vegan for every 100 or 1000 people that go vegan fail, that's a pretty good ratio and we should be glad that so many people have gone vegan, instead of wishing death upon the one that fails. I know its probably hard for you to understand.... But try! 😂

[@veegomi7669]

@@DanwilsonArchive Im not sure why you keep blabbing about stuff that dont relate to my comment. My comment is about the fact that she continue to Profit off Veganism even after she didnt follow the lifestyle herself nor believed in the recipes in the e-book she was selling. which btw her diet was at her worst when she made that e-book yet continued to promote it and sell it to people till the very end. Thats scamming and very unethical to be selling something like that under false pretense . Also "wishing death upon one that fails " I never wish death upon anyone and again youre talking about stuff that has nothing to do with my comment ...

[@EricTitansSmith]

@@veegomi7669 you are part of the problem.

[@makenziejacobson1349]

Everyone in the comments right now blasting him about criticizing this girl that has been suffering... I think y'all are forgetting to look at the actual nutritional value of the foods she admitted that they were eating before they started having all these problems. Vitamin deficiency AND toxicity are absolutely a thing. Aside from that, he is being super respectful about the things he is saying. He's offering up alternative reasons as to what may have happened. Nearly his exact words. He is completely entitled to his opinion, and it's just a fact that the information he is giving could help someone considering a vegan diet OR considering leaving a vegan diet.

[@JessicusMaxiumus]

Im resonating with this story a lot as I am a vegan for 1.4 years and I feel like my health is declining rapidly. The thought of eating an animal disturbs me but at the same time I am desperate to feel better. I’ve had a hand tremor, brain fog, and weakness in parts of my body like my legs. I’ve done many steps: tracking on cronometer, eating balanced plant based foods, consulting a vegan nutritionist, 2 doctors, 2 neurologists, an ER visit, and nothing ever came up. On paper I’m perfectly normal but I feel like my body is shutting down. I’m trying everything

[@danielbarrera8391]

It might not sound relevant but consider looking into childhood trauma. I personally feel that this issue is far too overlooked and misunderstood as being responsible for lots of health and mental health issues. I've had lots of those kind of problems but it never changed until I've looked into trauma work. I've had moments of increased self love and increased relaxation and energy by doing trauma work.

[@jasonalbano5052]

"Fish 'n eggs": the magical panacea for flaky people everywhere, apparently.

[@WorldOfARandomVegan]

Lol!!

[@saaversteen]

only 'magical' when wild caught and free range tho

[@AnDr3w066]

Jason Albano Ⓥ you sound mad

[@hellokatelyn4542]

But they are “happy and humane!!!” 😒 fuck off, you can’t kill something humanely.

[@BulletMagnetJB]

And yet when a nutritional expert suggests that the 2 vegans featured in this video should eat "fish 'n eggs" all the problems they were experiencing vanished in little more than a week. Funny that, eh?

[@CatherineKlein94]

Mic you are a gift to this world!! Haha thank you for this science backed response. I was confused by her video because she didn’t link any evidence that supports the notion that animal products were medically necessary for her and Tim’s situation. It’s anecdotal (just as the claims they were making 3 years ago about their vegan diet clearing up health issues were anecdotal). She regrets giving out poor health advice then, so I wonder how she will feel about the impact of this new video later. I love Bonny and I hope she watches and considers this kind but constructive advice!

[@marybloom9216]

I've had IBS symptoms on and off for most of my life. They got significantly better when I went vegan because a big chunk of them was triggered by dairy products. After about 2 years into being vegan, it got worse again and I've started developing intolerances to almost every food out there. I've also had other symptoms like depression, brain fog, acne and more, but I actually think that everything was triggered by the severe depression I've had because it all went down from there. The doctor diagnosed me with SIBO and gave me a course of antibiotics, and at the same time I did the low FODMAP protocol with my vegan dietician, and after the antibiotics, I've started a course of probiotics. Fast forward to today, after 2 months of low FODMAP, then gradually reintroducing the eliminated foods, 3 months of probiotics and taking care of my mental health, my gut is functioning better than it ever was in my life and I can eat everything I want again. Still vegan of course. I might have a casual response if I ate a huge amount of a very high FODMAP food, but SO DOES NEARLY EVERYONE vegan or not. I am lucky enough to have access to a vegan dietician who actually knows her stuff, but clearly, not everyone is, otherwise people wouldn't be quitting veganism and making youtube videos about it... And yes, there's definitely a trend with all those who are quitting veganism, that they've had a raw vegan 801010 or some other extremely high in fiber and fructose diet, so yes, you can do vegan wrong...

[@cassc7577]

Loved the critical and supportive video. Too much B12 gave me the worst acne I’ve had in my life (Don’t buy the b12 droppers with like 12000% b12 lol). I read the research on it and stopped all b vitamins and it cleared up (the struggle of my last 6 months). I’m so glad you mentioned it among other topics in this video. Thanks for providing that nutritional infrastructure we need in the vegan community. Cheers!

[@christylbk]

we still need b12 though are you taking any at all

[@Denniss7420]

Wasn't Tim on antibiotics for SIX MONTHS????? GTFO! That will destroy Anyones health.

[@Lotustwenty7]

Yes, because the veganism was destroying his gut.

[@Ramiromasters]

But he the doctors told him to eat MEAT he did not wanted that so... Plants were feeding bad bacteria, and he was planning to eat more and more of it so... Antibiotics, because he was feeding bacteria on one side and killing them with medicine. So eventually after much punishment he decided to the first advice of eating meat and you will never guess what happen! oh got better.

[@stephanie-zp9ep]

I’ve been on antibiotics for 6 months for acne and had no changes in health. Not all antibiotics are the same

[@Ramiromasters]

@@stephanie-zp9ep Acne comes from allergies to grains or vegetables and in some cases dairy. Because of the prevalence of these foods in culture, these allergies are no longer classified as as unusual events, doctors no longer find the source but attack your immune system. Taking antibiotics may work because you are weakening your immune system, thus this acne which is an immune response gets improved... Yes all antibiotics have side effects and they are not meant to be taking for long even if a doctor can duly note your preference of not having acne and still prescribe it to you... I would recommend to find out what makes you break out that acne and removing it from your diet and stop taking medication.

[@heathermarie7030]

Allergies are more likely due to glyphosate pesticide used on non-organic produce and grains.... Not the actual produce and grains.

[@ProbyWaN1337]

even if it was killing me, i could never go back...

[@bunnyboy9277]

@Mahtiah Hildrilae Buy it's not just one, you eat so many animals a year. I'd rather die too, after you've seen a cow skinned alive you dont go back.

[@Ziggy21142]

GFriend Organizer lmao i cant tell if you guys are trolling. If your not... you live a sad brainwashed life.

[@oliviadavidson9235]

@@Ziggy21142 I was vegan for a year before introducing eggs back into my diet. I know for my health fish is the next stop but I've not done it yet. Veganism really does become part of your identity and it leads to the extremes you see here where Mic suggests that consuming oil is a better option that eggs and fish.

[@oliviadavidson9235]

GFriend Organizer not quite, like I said I was vegan and still hold those values. Veganism inspired me to study nutrition because I thought I could cure the worlds diseases through magical veganism! But I’ve been humbled by the fact that no veganism cannot cure everything. Animal products are necessary in order for some people to heal and have a better quality of life. One example is epileptic children, they can control their seizures by eating a ketogenic diet (vegan keto can be done but it’s incredibly restrictive, not sustainable for a child). In this case as someone training to be a nutritional therapist how could I tell a parent that their child should be living off of avocados and nuts just to control their seizures. That’s unethical in my eyes.

[@adityaremigius6269]

This is why nutrition information from vegans can not be trusted. If you would sacrifice your health for the animals, you are a brainwashed member of a death cult, it's as simple as that.

[@danielhughes6896]

I have fructose malabsorption, as soon as you said he went on a high fruit diet and had gastrointestinal issues, and weight loss, I thought, I bet he has fructose malabsorption.

[@kristinalou5742]

I just couldn't ever eat meat or milk ever again, I think some people are just a bit lazy with food hench they sadly end up going back to meat ect😢I'm not the 'cleanest' of eaters but I have my bloods checked annually and luckily it's all good 💜

[@DanwilsonArchive]

@@AmetReloads I'm in that exact position just now after over 3 years of veganism

[@kaitlin2400]

AmetReloads fuck off troll 🖕🏻🖕🏻

[@WorldOfARandomVegan]

@@AmetReloads I know several people who have been vegan for more than 20, 30 years. Healthy, happy, not obsessed with what they eat. They est vegan versions of traditional foods and they're doing well!

[@barbarah8031]

AmetReloads it’s really funny to see you under almost every comment here. Are you really that bored that all you do is hate on veganism? You could use this precious time to inform yourself and go vegan yourself ;)

[@broddr]

AmetReloads -- you mean like Dr Ellsworth Wareham, vegan for over 50 years, who recently died at age 104? I think I'll risk 'depleting my body' sometime after becoming a centenarian. www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellsworth_Wareham

[@Ann-jx7hp]

Rawvanna just got busted eating fish while vacationing in Bali. Apparently she has been eating fish and eggs for months now while promoting her vegan program.

[@Ramiromasters]

lol yea, totally promoting people to slowly kill themselves while she feasted on meat! She looking great in instagram while her girl audience aged like prunes asking themselves why why this doesn't work for me! lol... She is bad.

[@Darkempress45]

Ramiel I cackled 😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@nigella4me]

That's because she knew her vegan lifestyle was destroying her body but she wasn't about to admit it and lose her vegan audience. All vegans are in denial.

[@okjoelx]

nigella4me idiot

[@lioninthesun]

@@nigella4me you literally haven't seen the old vegans that I have, they age better than any meat eater I have ever seen

[@dancingdani25]

Hi Mic. Great video. I was wondering... Bonny mentioned that Tim had high levels of mercury.. What could have caused that? And also if that was one of his problems why would it be recommended for him to eat fish when fish tends to have Mercury?

[@ServantofGod07]

perhaps he has mercury teeth fillings.

[@MsLeprechaun1234]

Seaweed could have toxic metals as well. Veganism affects your thyroid gland, with a slow metabolism your body can't get rid of metals, your liver won't function properly. Besides of that they probably had high estrogen and pufa levels, wich again are detrimental to metabolism, liver and gut health

[@BrightS0l]

Not all fish contains high amounts of mercury. Different types of tuna all have different levels just as an example.

[@dancingdani25]

@@BrightS0l true but if high levels of mercury was one of his problems it just seems strange to add any kind of fish into the diet. But of course I don't know enough about it I was just confused by that diet choice..

[@johnsaville9210]

I think what is more important than focussing on a plant based diet is to support sustainable farming. Buy local organic and seasonal vegetables, seeds, nuts and fruits when possible. If you are a meat eater chose pastured grass feed meats, free range poultry and wild fish. Avoid factory farmed foods. Being vegetarian but purchasing your vegetables, fruits, grain and soy from huge mono crop industries that grow the same crops year after year, using enormous amounts of chemical pesticides and fertilizers will continue the damage of our soils, water, air, and climate.

[@an7d7y]

I went vegan 🌱 a month ago. My energy has increased , I can breath threw my nose 👃 again , my skin is slowly clearing up. I feel you need to do much research and keep track of what agrees with your body . For example white potatoes 🥔 causes inflammation in my knees and they are sore the next day but sweet potty does not. It’s like any lifestyle you need to pay attention and eat what’s best for your body. We are all different! Great video man, loaded with information that helps your viewers with their own lifestyles . Appreciate it 👊🏼🌱

[@ShayBTS4ever]

Honestly, I just never could relate to Bonny and the rest of the Freelee crew because all they did was smash down fruit all day. Am I the only vegan that doesn't like fruit that much? I've been vegan, for the animals, going on 7 years now and think I've eaten maybe 5 bananas lol.

[@Sheilawisz]

Same here! My diet is based on loads of beans, potatoes, rice, wheat and corn. I rarely eat fruits like bananas and others, and I am perfectly fine.

[@CourBarone]

@@Sheilawisz ew. mcdougall diet . u are probably bloated after every meal

[@Sheilawisz]

@@CourBarone I never heard about that diet before, but I am checking it right now. I see, it's similar to my everyday food but not quite the same. My digestive system was a total disaster back when I used to eat chicken, beef and cheese almost every day, but it works wonderful now with the foods that I mentioned.

[@shelzy33]

Agree I didnt eat a lot of fruit either and I've never had any issues. i found a great video dr Davis has to respond to people like bonny kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6rEgqiDjtyKnZI

[@Jennifer9715]

I had terrible IBS before I went vegan and I still get IBS now being a vegan. In my opinion IBS symptoms are mainly triggered by stress! 😔

[@veganryori]

YES! You're the first person I've seen on here saying this. Totally agree.

[@BereaverBand]

Try low FODMAP

[@danielmarone5757]

Vegetables got me so sick...im carnivore now and thriving!!!

[@suzanajosic9501]

B 12 definitely breaks you out. I use B 12 infused toothpaste (credit to Vegan Footsoldier for that), consume fortified foods like plant milks and really limit the amount of supplements that I take.

[@sarahichi3998]

Suzana Josic I was taking the under the tongue b-12 daily for about three weeks. The face, back, NECK(?), and chest acne was tooooo real. Twice a week has been OK, with fortified foods.

[@Meeeeeeeeeeeeh34]

They make that? B12 toothpaste? That’s genius

[@sali9448]

OMG ! I started supplementing everyday (pill) like 2 weeks ago and now i have so much pimples. Is this correlated? Time to investigate🤔

[@AH-cy4md]

Salome PJ Just taking B12 once a week is plenty. Try that. 😀

[@WorldOfARandomVegan]

When I went vegan, my doc told me that B12 stores can stay in your liver for a few years. It doesn't deplete quickly. For that reason I was never obsessed with B12. I drink fortified milks and take a pill once a week, maybe twice.

[@teotwawki00]

I'm not vegan but I really respect the way you handled this. Good job. I just like your approach. Very straight forward and gentle... Good job.😁👍

[@sO_RoNerY]

I can tell you’re not a vegan. Damn. You better consider doing so.

[@Muskar2]

@no name fool Healthy vegans have better B12 levels than average meat eaters - because meat isn't a great source of B12. B12 comes from soil bacteria and animals (especially non-ruminant) are fed with B12-supplements for this reason. Many elderly meat-eaters suffer from B12-deficiency. Iron deficiency could be an issue if you don't eat a varied diet - the main sources are from legumes, leafy greens, seeds and spices - and the advantage is that you can't get too much non-heme iron (from plants) where as it's easy to get too much heme iron (from animals). Calcium deficiency is a real risk for vegans and requires eating greens, beans, vegetables and/or seeds daily to get the 525mg we need.

[@Muskar2]

​@no name fool Post-writing: This comment got rather long. I got triggered by "please stop making stuff up" and many of the other common claims you made - but now I feel like I should just have asked you to provide sources for your claims, and ask you to be more respectful in not assuming I'm making stuff up and actually ask me for sources too. Anyway, I'll also include my original reply, so it doesn't go to waste: I'm aware of some of these "very known [deficiency]" claims and all I've seen have linked to malnutritioned vegans - not to vegans who actually eat a healthy varied diet. Please direct me toward a study that shows otherwise, if you can. Here's a brief scientific article (with lots of studies referenced) that says otherwise (with a comment that highlights why it isn't common advice from health organizations): DOI: 10.7812/TPP/13-111 The reality is that an optimal diet is varied vegan (i.e. WFPB) but an unvaried/junk one can be quite bad - that's probably the part you've heard about. And as you know, it is relatively easy to not have deficiencies on an animal-based diets, mainly because there's so many products available and that they usually contain a variety of minerals that the animal has eaten, plus the stuff that has been supplemented into their feed, to make it even easier for humans to not get deficiency. On an animal-based dieted it is instead extremely easy to an excess of minerals and vitamins to unhealthy degrees. The main problem is that it's a lazy solution that is unhealthy in the long-term and is one of the main factors in the pandemic of the many lifestyle diseases in the Western world. If it was easier and more culturally common to get products that ensured a diet was varied, then there would be virtually no risk of deficiency (as the article above suggests). But even if you have a lazy/careless mindset to health you will benefit greatly from eating as many plants as possible - as long as it's varied. There's no controversy about that - just look at WHO's recommendations, along with American Diabetes Association, American Heart Association and American Cancer Society. Plants are harder to digest, yes - but in most cases that's actually a good thing. There's a lot of controversy about protein quality, to say the least, so I won't get too much into it. Mostly the controversy is around how to gain as much muscle as possible. But look at human breast milk, which is obviously tailored to optimal human growth - it has the lowest content of protein of any mammal - about 0.8g per 100g - it's not evidence in itself but I would certainly say it suggests something about what we need to grow. Once we're adults we need far less protein, because protein becomes for maintenance, not growth . Around 0.8g/kg body weight, daily, is sufficient according to a broad spectrum of studies. Body builders and athlete weight lifters should get 1.4g/kg to 2.2g/kg, depending on the study. And if you're building muscle, it's very important that you're getting sufficient calories. This is also possible on a plant-based diet because because more calories means more food. I'm not aware of many plant-based muscle athletes but I can mention Kendrick Farris, Alexander Dargatz and Joel Kirkilis.

[@Muskar2]

​@no name fool I can see why you think it's a no true scotsman fallacy, but I'm clearing up a common misunderstanding that veganism is not the same as a WFPB diet. Veganism is an ethical movement that is strictly focused on exclusion of animal products (also outside diet). WFPB is a diet focused on maximizing intake of whole plants (where nothing bad has been added and nothing good has been removed) - it doesn't exclude animal products by definition but discourages them for health reasons - and also discourages a lots of vegan products. The reason they're fundamentally different is that you don't see as much of a health benefit before excluding as many processed foods as possible - and here unhealthy vegans are seemingly worse off than those who eat animal products. Or that's the claim anyway. Health is complicated and has lots of factors involved, where diet is just one of them. But I still strongly disagree that it's a no true scotsman fallacy case, rather than a clarification of labels. Speaking of "sick of". I don't get why you're being so worked up. Are you okay? You indirectly claim all studies in favor of a WFPB diet are biased and have no merit. That's a pretty bold claim given there's hundreds, probably thousands, of studies. What's your merit for stating that? I just read the en24 article about a child hospitalized (in Italy) and there's not much info to go on. It's clearly an emotional article tailored to parents and not a scientific one at any rate. It's especially worrisome that the parent allegedly doesn't believe in vaccines, which makes me think that they have very little respect for science, and thus probably haven't found the adequate knowledge on the special needs of children versus adults. There's definitely cause for concern with children on a vegan diet, unless you know what you're doing. I don't have children myself, so I'm not that much into this material but I know a few clinical dietitians who are specialized in a proper plant-based diet for children, and one of the things I remember is that children need food that has less fiber, and more calories, in it especially in the first few years where the kid is rapidly growing. "yes in a world of abundance eating in a deficient diet is a good thing" - I'm not sure what you're saying, but I would half agree. It's much easier to be healthy on a plant-based diet when there's an abundance. Animal products are more suitable as emergency foods. If you're going for long-term health anyway. I largely agree with Richard Feynman about physics being a science that is much more clear and social sciences approaching pseudoscience, but I also think he's being overly cautious and impractical. Sure it would be lovely if every scientific subject was as logical as physics, with a p-value of 0.003 or less, but when that's not possible, we have to make due with the best we can, and use other methods to check fallacies, biases and corruption. There's lots of issues in academia related to this, but that doesn't make these sciences useless. It just means that we have to be more skeptical of studies in more complex fields. Either way, there's studies that show significant health benefits with p-values of at least 0.01, that I recall. For example this one I read recently: DOI: 10.1001/jama.291.24.2978 And there's lots to be said about the issue with being overly cautious, because doubt is one of the most powerful tools of lobbyists, to maintain the status quo. I certainly won't deny that there's a lot of nutritional scientists who criticize lots of the studies that WFPB-proponents provide, and without having read a study on this specifically, I would guess that the vast majority of nutritional scientists disagree with (or are carefully skeptical of) WFPB. Fortunately, though, the consensus of scientists is not evidence in itself. You're not giving me much by just flat out denying that there's benefits with digesting more slowly but I guess I can make a few more claims so I can encourage you to elaborate on your rebuttal: * Assuming you don't eat any concentrated sugar products (or sweeteners), your blood sugar peaks will be much lower, benefiting insulin sensitivity. * Non-heme iron is harder to absorb than heme iron but the absorption rate is self-regulated by the body. Meaning it's virtually impossible to have excess iron from non-heme, while it's quite easy to have an excess of heme-iron. * It's very hard to overeat with such low calorie density foods, thus it's very easy to become or stay normal weight, which is one of the most important health factors influenced by diet.

[@Muskar2]

@no name fool *sigh* Before I leave this, I hope you at least get what WFPB means. Here's my last attempt: It means maximizing minimally processed foods where nothing good is removed and nothing bad is added. It's a separate thing from veganism. Junk vegans (i.e. biscuits, jam, fries, soft drinks etc.) are not likely on a WFPB diet. And WFPB eaters who consume meat or other animals products are not vegans.

[@FindingFay]

why is everyone quitting veganism yikes I've not been a big part of the community for like two years but I still check up on everyone, what is going on smh

[@earthling_za]

In most cases they never understood veganism and never were *vegan* - just plant-based, mostly for selfish reasons.

[@cp_honey]

Smh indeed, though it's not everyone by any means, they just get a lot of attention because of their audience. And because animal eaters get off on 'vegan fails' aka fake reasons to continue their bad habits. So while those 2 stop being vegan, x dozens start. We're doing well.

[@skiaddict08]

I think some of them get paid the big bucks to "switch"

[@SignedNaz]

Keep in mind that it may seem like “everyone” is quitting, but it just seems that way because the few ppl that are quitting have a big presence and following in the community. In reality, veganism is growing pretty fast.

[@faechan92]

It may seem that way because people are uploading "I'm not vegan anymore" videos for views. But, I see many more people saying they are going vegan, the difference is they don't post videos explaining why, and those who have been vegan for years don't post videos explaining why they are still vegan. Maybe the best way to counter this is by uploading videos sharing our positive expieriences on this lifestyle.

[@MercuryCalling]

When I heard about Bonny my thought went immediately to you and your channel because (and without judgement on them) I figured there would be a way to continue a vegan lifestyle and clear up some if not all of their symptoms. Thank you for continuing to make these videos! I too wish veganism was more integral to the medical system and doctors felt comfortable coming up with dietary plans with vegan patients. We've got a long way to go!

[@dombower]

So.... walking. Hoping next flood of videos are “how walking made me vegan again”

[@Diana-dz9kc]

All the hate in the comments makes me feel ashamed to be vegan and be associated with being so aggressive towards non vegans

[@claudiokay]

Diana ...and killing innocent animals for food and enjoyment is not an „aggressive“ behaviour. A true compassionate human would almost never accept the killing/eating of animals, but still, most of us tolerate it. How aggressive.

[@TheMrsjuli]

Claudio Klusak well just because I think that the other side acts aggressive doesn‘t mean that I should do the same. If we thaught that To our kids the world would end pretty soon 🤔😄 Veganism is also about being compassionate, and if you watched her Video you would have Seen that she just couldn‘t cope anymore and that she left Open if they would one day Return To veganism. That‘s good enough for me. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Even being Vegan for „only“ 5 years is more than Most people do.

[@Prompea]

Thanks you

[@christinash2235]

Oh shut up Diana. Veganism isn't about you and your embarrassment or about Bonny and her imaginary first world problems. There's actually a recent article out there called Veganism isn't About You.

[@Diana-dz9kc]

@@christinash2235 embarrassment? Wow ok 😂

[@zabelconnor]

I hope they see your video, hope they are open minded.

[@AnDr3w066]

Zabel Connor yeah nothing like listening to a youtuber instead to an actual nutritionist 😂

[@skiaddict08]

They are just looki g to make money on yt, I think some of these ex vegans were paid.

[@AnDr3w066]

Marshall Walker you dropped your tinfoil hat

[@grandmastersreaction1267]

What does having an "open mind" even mean? That you'll believe anything you're told?

[@KarasekUS]

Open minded? They've just opened their minds to possibility of eating eggs and fish. When it comes to nutrition, no one is more closed minded than vegans.

[@jerihartzell9300]

After moving to Hawaii 10 years ago, I ate lots of fruit, exercised a lot and lost lots of weight. I got 'fruit face' which was super uncomfortable. I had a skin infection from my forehead to my chin. It was a big open oozing mess for months. My doctor said it was from eating all that pineapple and other tropical fruit which is pretty common when people move to the islands. While I'm a newby to the vegan lifestyle I've learned a lot from your videos. The information you provide is undeniable. I am 52 and I suffer from undiagnosed autoimmune something, but I really think it's from my typical western diet. Thanks Mic. Keep the videos coming.

[@VeganBrainFood]

Loving the more frequent uploads, (not that I'm one to talk lol) but thank you on behalf of the animals and never put down the Mic!

[@darasmith8116]

Was really hoping to hear your take on this. As a newish vegan with health issues her vid worried me bc i can't handle any more probs. Thanks Mic. As usual you are a gentleman and an artist at your craft lol ❤

[@Emmiiii267]

I found it irresponsible and fucked up that she didnt make it clear from the beginning that Veganism WAS NOT the Cause of all their health issues. She didnt say that until towards the end and it was really quick. The video already garner so much attention and many Non Vegans are having a field day using it as evidence that Veganism is unhealthy. sucks because Veganism is what payed all her bills and those doctor visits.

[@hardcoreherbivore4730]

Hmm, that's funny. After 7 years of being vegetarian, I cleared up my acne by going full vegan. 3 years later, I have never felt better.

[@d.lightfultv2231]

Lies. I need to see some proof. Your health will fail soon if it hasn't already.

[@hubertydaisy7911]

@@d.lightfultv2231 Here is a proof :) And if you search there are a lot of vegans who lived over 100years : kzbin.info/www/bejne/fImYaYOvhtylmas

[@alanwhitham6429]

Strongest mammals on the planet are vegan , but they don't eat processed food . It seems some people think a vegan diet is standard . It simply means no dead animals or animal products .

[@d.lightfultv2231]

@@alanwhitham6429 as strong as a buffalo is it still gets killed by a meat eater. Same thing is going happen to vegans. Y'all will die out due to weakness while meat eaters live on.

[@V.CatCroissant]

@@d.lightfultv2231 lol. We'll see, troll.

[@reloads223]

BECOMING A ZOMBIE ! if you eat the dead , the dead will eat you, inside out !

[@jarrodwhite342]

Well i better eat more meat so i taste good for them

[@shinyape1741]

Stephen Hughes its insane.. There is a sugar in meat that is toxic to humans. It causes inflammation that can lead to cancer. They also say its a possible link to type 2 diabetes and atherosclerosis. Milk is produced for babies. Do adult humans still breastfeed from their mothers? no, so ovb breastfeeding for an animal makes no sense... And chickens do not have periods for us to consume their eggs.. thats why its filled with cholesterol.. Also humans would never be able to hunt a wild pig or a wild cow with their bare hands like a natural animal nor eat raw meat like a natural animal because its not healthy... It should be blatantly obvious that humans are not designed to eat animal products but rather humans are here to help guide, protect, nurture the environment and the animals. What other species on Earth has the ability to transform the world into a paradise or a hell like us?.. Yet humans chose the path that exploits, slaughters, consumes, and destroys its environment and the other earthlings with it..

[@shinyape1741]

PheonixXray Buddy people literally get hospitalized from eating bad meat, with parasites, etc. There is a sugar in meats that is toxic to the human body and promotes inflammation, which eventually would lead to cancer.. Reports are saying it’s a possible connection to atherosclerosis and type 2 diabetes.. Thats not normal for a “natural predator”.. You don’t need to breastfeed from a cow. You stop breastfeeding from a human mother when its time.. Switching to an animal becomes toxic. The places with the highest consumption of milk, have the highest rates of osteoporosis.. Eggs are high in bad cholesterol.. You cannot hunt an animal with weapons.. GO SINK YOUR PREDATOR TEETH YOU CLAIM TO HAVE IN A WILD PIG.... You’re delusional.. You get all the nutrients you need through a plant based diet.. b12 can come thru pills, vitamin d comes from the sun.. Everything else can come thru plant based foods.. Miss me with this delusional thinking... Humans are the only species on Earth with the ultimate ability to transform this world into a paradise for all, or a hell for all.. You choose to destroy, slaughter and consume. Don’t be on the wrong side of history

[@Twistedhippy]

My ibs didn't improve on a vegan diet until I removed foods that caused my ibs, like tomato, potato, soy, too much fat, too much fiber. Elimination diet is the way to go, high fat and protein foods slow digestion and improve symptoms. Would be interesting to see if those biomarkers improve by eating fish and eggs for Bon bon and Tim or if just the ibs symptoms are masked

[@MagerialPage]

The human gut LOVES animal fat. In moderation, of course, but if you keep a healthy lifestyle and eat enough fiber, then the cholesterol from eggs is actually good for you. Not only does the gut love it, but it's packed with energy. A hearty, greasy breakfast with some cruciferous veggies thrown in keeps me full and energized all morning. The fat and protein provide the energy and the enzymes in the vegetable methylate those energy sources.

[@KurzesHaarCosplay]

I would definitely agree that regular exercise helps IBS symptoms dramatically! I used to only workout 2-3 times a week in the afternoons, but since switching to fasted morning workouts 5-6 times a week, my digestion has improved so much. I also find that doing a short, 10-15 minute walk after eating meals helps with digestion quite a bit.

[@alise1424]

Thank you Mic as always excellent and informative video, keep the vegan vibes strong

[@DaleAmigaman]

@@AmetReloads Haha, Veganism is definitely not dying. More and more people go vegan every day. Thousands more vegan products in supermarkets now than when I went vegan just 4 years ago. Almost every restaurant provides vegan options now. Far more people 'come out' about how their health improved on a vegan diet.

[@greenpowertemple]

it's not dying but it's a pity that many people don't make enough research first to do it right.

[@alise1424]

@@AmetReloads when you are ''dying on clogged arteries'' its just business as usual but when someone is ''dying'' because they live off celery juice -its outrageous!!! :D

[@Lionelyy]

Yes! Please do a collab with GojiMan!

[@ironjudas666]

wow. i couldn't gain weight for the first 3 years vegan.... guess what? i eat more food now lol

[@WorldOfARandomVegan]

@Centum Soooooo true!

[@oliviadavidson9235]

They were in pain when they ate. If eating caused you pain I doubt you'd want to eat more food.

[@christinash2235]

Yeah there are vegan body builders. When people say they did everything right and their hair was falling out, I'm pretty damn sure they weren't eating enough, or they went too low fat, or they were totally raw, or something along those lines. It's ironic to me that junk food vegans so called tend to do better. I don't think it's because of junk food but I do think it's because of an openness of eating a variety of foods as long as they are vegan. People who think drinking green smoothies and adding another handful of spinach is doing everything right aren't doing their research. There should be openly listings for vegan doctors in order to avoid this.

[@Sincerelymakay]

A big problem with the vegan community is that people try to act as doctors and give medical advice. This is so out of line and inappropriate. Don’t make assumptions about other people’s health. Do what you want with your own health, but you do not get to control or even influence other people if you’re not their own personal doctor.

[@mybigdiary7332]

this makes SOOOOOOOOOOO much sense .. I once tried veganism and suffered badly with bloating and leaky gut and I must admit I had a lotttttttttttt of fruits

[@mortisnox9400]

I’ve been a vegetarian for 6 years and I’m now altering my diet towards a vegan one. For a long time now I haven’t eaten eggs, milk, cheese, or used body products/clothes with animal products, now I mostly only have yogurt and honey left to cut out.

[@lindsayerndwein5309]

Okay, I keep seeing people fall off the vegan path because: acne-->antibiotics-->dysbiosis-->IBS. It's really frustrating because it isn't because of the vegan lifestyle. THIS HAPPENED TO ME BEFORE I WAS VEGAN. 7 years ago I had been suffering from painful, ugly, cystic acne for years, so my dermatologist prescribed me the antibiotic, minocycline. The side effects included dizzyness (which I did experience) but I figured it was worth it to have nice skin for the first time since I was 11 years old. Then the dizzyness became more intense, and I found myself not being able to eat my normal amount of food because it made me nauseous. I still kept up the antibiotics because acne destroyed my self esteem and I wasnt about to return. I lost weight. Weeks later, after eating food I could stomach (cereal, apples, and tunafish) , my intestines starting burning in pain. By then, I had dropped about 20 pounds and my parents were getting worried and took me to the doc. My resting heart rate was in the 30s (bradycardia) and I was 5'7" and only 97 pounds. Doc sent me immediately to the hospital and for three weeks I struggled with doctors telling me I had anorexia. THEY DID NOT BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAID THE ANTIBIOTICS HAD DONE THIS TO ME! My parents even started to believe the doctors. It was a nightmare and I still have the diagnosis "anorexia" on my record. Three weeks later, I was sent home and I just put up with the acne and IBS struggle for a couple more years. I hated doctors and the way they were swift to misdiagnose me. I became determined to heal myself naturally. Then I found the Whole Food Vegan Lifestyle 2 years ago and IT WORKED! I cleared my face and healed my gut within a year! And it opened my eyes to all the benefits of the lifestyle (Animals, environment, health). My boyfriend of 4 years(who supported me through part of the acne horrors) and I are now happy healthy confident vegans. People need to stop blaming every ailment on veganism. Check your blood-work first! There's usually always a vegan solution. I am heartbroken that many of the youtubers that exposed me to the plant based diet (and changed my life!) are now ex-vegans. (Rob Stuart, Bonny Rebecca, Vegetable Police). Thanks Mic for being one that is still holding strong.

[@kathivy]

Yeah, it’s scary when doctors give bad advice and we have to try and figure out our health problems by ourselves. I had ruined my health with stress and overwork and was in a downward spiral. I went to a TCM practitioner and she told me that I had to at least eat an egg a day (and my cholesterol was already too high!) I dug myself out of poor health and I’m on a vegan diet. My partner caught the flu at the end of December and I didn’t catch it, so I’m feeling like I’m finally gaining. But, I can understand that they felt that they had to follow that health professional’s advice when their health situation got really bad.

[@christinash2235]

Vegetable Police was never vegan. He really wasn't. If you doubt that watch him now talking about eating raw meat and throwing up twenty times on the carnivore diet and doing a water fast for an entire month and STILL then only referring to veganism as a diet not as an ethical philosophy and lifestyle. Vegetable Police is mentally ill though. His videos bore and disturb me simultaneously somehow.

[@UntakenNick]

Strange that every person on Earth takes antibiotics at some moment for some reason but only vegans get their gut health destroyed for life because of them.. maybe they put the blame on anything they can in order to avoid admitting that veganism is killing them?

[@matthewlake182]

It was a zinc deficiency and it's relatively common in vegans.. up to 47%. I had an issue with acne years ago, it was persisted and nothing worked to stop it... Until I supplemented zinc picolinate. I put it all together when I was also getting ill with colds a lot and had other weird skin issues. Acne totally went away within 3 weeks but started to heal within days. I've recommended this to others and they've also seen a massive benefit to being cured of their acne.

[@andrewdl6824]

Here was my comment to her: "You both should be able to switch back to fully vegan after a while. Exploring diet and disease is extremely difficult. The mistakes we make can cause regrettable temporary solutions. People can't always figure out how to thrive on a vegan diet and that's okay. I hope you'll try again soon. I'm extremely well researched in regards to diet and disease. I've been through Hell too. I was not fully vegan for a while, but I am now. After hearing your story, here's a little info that may help: - Allergy tests aren't what they seem. Poking the skin with food particles isn't effective. The foods that cause a reaction in those tests don't cause leaky gut, but in a leaky gut these foods may get into the blood stream, which can then cause an immune response. Those test basically just shows what foods you commonly eat and if they're leaking into your blood through your gut. The more frequently leaked/eaten foods have built a stronger immune response. Avoiding those foods helps avoid immune reactions but doesn't necessarily heal the gut. - Plant foods didn't cause his, or your, leaky gut or skin problem. His leaky gut probably existed before going vegan and was made worse long term by all the antibiotics, and maybe pesticides. When you try to switch back to plant proteins always buy organic. - Also, fiber can't cause leaky gut or make it worse, too little fiber and too much amino acid (protein) does. Resistant starch helps bring good bacteria in the stomach down into the intestines and colon. Which can be a problem if these good bacteria leak into your blood. I understand right know those same starch based foods, not the fiber itself, are causing immune reactions but after abstaining for a while they won't. Immune systems adapt. When the gut is healed you can add them back and they won't cause leaky gut or immune responses. - Dense nutrients will help heal the gut. Oil helps greatly with nutrient absortion, which is why animal products are helping you both right now. Canola has a good omega-3 to omega-6 ratio. Buy organic. Hemp oil is even better. Beware that bone broths are loaded with heavy metals. - Mock meats paired with canola oil would achieve the same results as animal protein in regard to nutrients. Make veggie soups with plenty of oil too. After your immune systems stop seeing gluten and soy as an enemy, in a few months or a year, try switching to mock meats. - Research has shown that cacao causes acne and skin problems. Many health food vegans add cacao nibs and very dark chocolate to their diet, upping their intake 95% from before going plant based. - Kombucha isn't a probiotic. It turns glucose into acid. It makes us acidic, causes leaky gut, and damages skin. A few frequent users have died or suffered coma. Many vegan think it's a health food. - Avoid active yeast in breads and such. It can contribute to gluten intolerances in a leaky gut. - Oh, and if it hurt when a doctor pokes around your stomach it only means your intestines are full, which is a good thing unless it's full of putrified meat. It's a test associated with constipation from excessive meat and low fiber consumption. It means nothing bad in regard to whole food plant based diets. Now that you're eating less volume of food you're going to have less of this mild discomfort. I don't think that alone is worth breaking from a vegan diet. Especially when there's high-caloric dense-nutrient low-volume plant-based options. - I hope you'll consider all this when his gut is healed... and remember you can return vegan while still supporting his temporary needs. Take care."

[@infonoids]

Great comment, I even learned some stuff, thanks Andrew!

[@WorldOfARandomVegan]

Andrew, may I use your comments in a video I am planning?

[@andrewdl6824]

@@WorldOfARandomVegan Sure. Use my instagram account @alkalineandrew when citing me.

[@laceyb.6617]

I had no idea cacao causes acne. I thought it was an anti-inflammatory food? When I'm craving a chocolate shake, I make a cacao banana smoothie with 3-4 tbsp cacao because I love it so much. I have this 2-3 times a week probably but noticed my skin was improving. I haven't had this smoothie lately as it's been cold and my skin is breaking out lol. So confusing!

[@andrewdl6824]

@@laceyb.6617 It doesn't bother my skin but the research suggests it may contribute to acne. nutritionfacts.org/video/does-cocoa-powder-cause-acne/

[@risuhana]

Honestly, I can totally understand why she did what she did and why she decided it would be best (for now!) to add some animal based food back into her (and his) diet. I suffer from real, real bad gut issues due to my celiac and genetics histamine 'intolerance' (which doesn't only affect me in giving me a 9 month pregnant belly nearly every night but also insomnia, weather sensitivity, mood swings, depressive phases, rashes, skin issues, constipation, ... everything you can possibly imagine going wrong) and I have tried eeeeeverything! from medication, different diets, elimination, probiotics, a lot of sport, no sport, different combinations of things, stress management, sleep therapy, no-trying-at-all-to-reduce-stress-that-is-caused-by-me-stressing-about-everything,.... name a thing, I've most likely tried it) ..... & then I went vegan. First, everything went SO GOOD. My digestion got better, with that my bloating went down, I've excluded so many histamine rich foods by default and everything went soooo well, but slowly it went downhill again. I can't digest legumes well, they just don't agree with my intolerance, I have to limit nuts, can't really have processed food due to preservatives and being pre-cooked and stuff, I can't have a lot of different fruit and veg (like avocado, some berries, citrus, banana, .. basically the riper the thing the more reaction. fermented is worst - like anaphylactic shock incoming) ... I've tried to ignore the problems (again) but it just doesn't work anymore. I'm lost. Doctors can't find anything. Blood, stool, microbiome, organs seem perfect (or as perfect as would be 'normal' for other people I guess).... I know how hard it can be do decide if a diet works and I know how easy it can be do 'fall' down a hole and grab every glance of hope - in whatever it may be. I don't know if that even makes sense and I don't know if there is a solution for MY problem --- but if she found a solution for HER problem and he found a solution for HIS problem, please let them try it. Let them get the one thing back that is needed to function as a human: health. Well being. If quitting veganism FOR NOW is helpful, let them live. Let them do what they believe is the right thing to do. I mean, she may be influencing some people (who suffer from health issues as well) to do more research about how to fix their own problems, and even if some people will go back to eating animal products again, remember: She inspired so many people to actually go vegan. And if you're on there for the right reasons, feel good and happy, then you won't change it anyways, would you? And even if, wouldn't you want other people to accept your choice? To make you feel better, not even more miserable? Man, some people are just .... aaagh sorry xD edit: I'm 22, vegan since a little over 2 years (before that mostly vegan by default without even noticing it until someone told me) - both celiac and histamine genetic wise, coming from my dads side of the family. my grandpa died from colon cancer and my uncle has super bad ulcer type issues and pre-colon-cancer-symptoms. My dad has the same issues as I do, but doesn't notice them that strongly. Just to give you more background info in case you're even reading this until here - if yes, thanks for listening to my monologue :D

[@jondempster]

My wife and I went on a WFPB diet just over a year ago. Following Dr. Gregors' recommendations to a tea. My wife has suffered from IBS and acid reflux. At first, the vegan diet seemed to really benefit both of us, but then after about six months our skin started to break out and my wife's digestive issues came back. We started taking algae pills and had our blood checked. Found out that some how she was very low on potassium (even though we were eating a ton of potassium rich foods like dark leafy greens, sweet potatoes, pinto beans, and bananas). She also discovered that her B12 exceeded the upper limit by over 100. She stopped taking her B12 for several months and magically her potassium levels increased. We have both seen a significant decrease in our teeth and skin health (gums receding, enamel wearing down and looking more translucent, and our skin seems to have aged years). Not really sure what to say, or do. Trying to follow all of the experts, research on my own (one of my passions and something I have pursued both academically and professionally). As you have mentioned in the video, there are those who do not react to a vegan diet the same way as the majority, and it is those individuals who really need to have help available to them so that they are not slowly destroying their bodies. You had also mentioned that it is nearly impossible to be obese on a vegan diet that is whole food plant based. I have to contradict this statement, because I am indeed still obese (despite my close adherence to Dr. Gregors' advice found in his book). My weight has also increased, which I'm not sure how that is possible. Anyways, just a few thoughts and stories to put out there. We really appreciate your efforts and investment into creating videos that are formulated on sound research.

[@bagiee1]

Maybe you should try to focus more on the Fruit side, and less on the Starch side, for to loose some weight.

[@landerhendrickx3522]

Sad to read this. You must have had a pre-existing condition that didn’t get resolved. I suggest cutting out the high caloric density foods for a while to see if your weight starts to go down. Maybe get in touch with Gojiman too.

[@mamenamamena]

Obese and gaining weight on a wfpb diet? Sorry you must be leaving something out. I just don’t buy it

[@Penelope416]

What's your daily caloric intake? Are you taking any medications that could affect your hormones or metabolism? Also many people underestimate the amount of calories they actually eat. It doesn't matter what type of diet you're on, the laws of thermodynamics still apply and if the body is consuming too many calories and not burning them off, weight gain will occur.

[@kateharris6492]

I have had pretty much the same experience with the skin and weight issues though my IBS is pretty much gone so that's nice. I found that I was eating more calories than I realised,I came from eating a lot of fast food but because I was aware it was bad I had small portions, going vegan I was thinking everything is so healthy I can eat heaps but my daily calorie intake went up by about 200-300 per day, not because I was hungry and felt I needed that much but more based on an assumption that I needed to eat drastically more. I tracked my food with chronometer for a week and then the occasional day if I'm curious and have started to lose weight with no exercise change and not going hungry. I took four months of first going vegan to gain 7kg eating lots of potatoes and pasta and in a month of actually thinking about my food I've lost 2kg so pretty similar pace. I have found the B12 acne causation as well and have reduced my B12 supplementation

[@morrison8535]

The whole "durian rider high calorie SMASH IT IN" made me laugh

[@GlennGJ100]

humans are not frugivores, we are starchivores... the enamel on our teeth are much thinner compared to other primates who ARE frugivores, which is why you see so many raw vegans and fruitarians with teeth problems. We also have way more starch digestive enzymes in our saliva compared to other primates. Fruit is healthy but it shouldn't be the majority of your calories.

[@danz-inthe-shadows857]

I don't Agree. I do better on fruit I think we are different.

[@GlennGJ100]

@@danz-inthe-shadows857 No you don't, you just think you do. Just cause you feel good on a certain diet doesn't mean its the best diet. You can feel good eating potato chips and coca cola that doesn't mean its a good diet lol.

[@danz-inthe-shadows857]

@@GlennGJ100 dude don't tell me what I do and what I don't this is why vegan is given a bad reputation because of nutters like you. Lol 😂

[@GlennGJ100]

@@danz-inthe-shadows857 You are a human are you not? Humans have a preferred diet, and that is a starch based diet. I don't really give a shit about your feelings so fuck you.

[@sofiabravo1994]

Vegetable Madness Ⓥ I like potatoes 🥔

[@ashleywebber3467]

Great video! I have IBS and adding a zinc supplement resolved 90% of my symptoms, and this was before I was vegan. Also, exercise resolved the other 10%. I'm pretty much completely symptom free!

[@amandadelatorre8371]

I cleared up my IBS on a vegan diet. It was absolutely terrible. All of my life decisions had to be made around it. I hated road trips because I had to stop constantly to go to the bathroom and I was scared of eating something that would set it off, and I was scared of doing things like sports because I didn't know if there would be a bathroom close by. I would have the worst abdominal pain. And also the celery juice guy obviously isn't science based and I usually avoid that at all costs, but I did celery juice everyday for 30 days just to see what would happen and it was a game changer. Even after going vegan I would have the occasional (sorry this is TMI) diarrhea episode and bloating and pain, but I haven't had it since the celery juice which I did this summer. Even when I eat crappy food. To anyone reading this, it's worth a shot. Juice 1 stalk of celery and drink it on an empty stomach every single morning. The worst thing that'll happen is that the celery company just made 30 bucks I guess. I know it sounds ridiculous just please try it

[@sharononeill8729]

please give the link to the celery juice guy,thanks

[@mamenamamena]

Sharon O'neill it’s called medical medium, he’s a nutcase but apparently celery is still good for digestion

[@WorldOfARandomVegan]

@@mamenamamena Lol!

[@Furiends]

IBS has a lot to do with carbs and metabolism. In essence its caused by the intensities biome breaking down sugars in the wrong places. Technically anyone can get those symptoms from eating difficult to metabolize sugars in enough quantity which is also why ISB symptoms are very similar to lactose intolerance. For the most part these carbs are considered sugars or complex sugars. But the distinction from starches is blurry here since thats where they are broken apart. Therefor you're going to want to avoid foods with high proportions of fructose and lactose. For example apples or broccoli. While other foods like celery are mostly galactose. You could also try zucchini squash.

[@MarieJohnson]

I just got stuck on "time traveling nano robots" for like 2 mins. Just completely frozen. Thanks for that, Mic.

[@veegomi7669]

Why dont Vegan ever talk about how much Animal Products contribute to Global Warming ?? Scientist say its getting worse and worse and soon Earth will become inhabitable, I dont get how We dont talk more about that then the animals when thats something that effects every living thing . Without earth we have nothing :( Anyways Great Video

[@randomguy-26]

Most people don't care about the environment... They would rather see the world burn than give up animal products...

[@SuperDipMonster]

The oft-quoted figures that show devastating amounts of CO2 produced by the animal agriculture industry may be inflated. Giant pig farms certainly are a disaster, though.

[@randomguy-26]

@@SuperDipMonster Dude, it's not just CO2 that makes animal agriculture so problematic,its all they methane they produce... In case you didn't know, methane traps 23 times more heat than CO2...Thats why it's the most potent greenhouse gas... CO2 can't compete...

[@SuperDipMonster]

@@randomguy-26, water vapour is the most potent greenhouse "gas". Methane certainly is a problem but it breaks down into CO2 and water vapour and quite rapidly, too.

[@randomguy-26]

@@SuperDipMonster Ozone is a greenhouse gas too... Yet no one complains for a reason... Water vapor simply cools and falls as rain... Methane breaks down into Co2 ...and once again, still a problem... But while still methane, traps 23 times more heat...

[@RXP91]

If you have health issues why does it need to be 100% vegan? We all are on a spectrum - if eating a few eggs or small portions of meat once a week and it keeps you healthy and able to eat a mostly plant based diet that's an overall win for the planet, the individual and the animals. Just try and minimise your animal consumption to ones that have more freedom and less impact to the environment.

Its mind boggling she has almost a million subscribers whereas Garth Davis has like a couple of thousand... wtf?!

[@darst16]

Leon Schuring she’s cute and is promoting a “cool and hip” version of the vegan diet

[@cleverestx]

The only way to eat a healthy Vegan diet is to eat/plan it PROPERLY, not each a crap-ton of fruits, get sick and then call foul on the Vegan diet. Thanks for the video.