Why I'm Not (But Almost Was!) a Preterist | Matthew

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[@세계복음선교JesusTV]

Only the love of Jesus Christ on Cross Saving the lost souls is more precious than ever now as it is nearest to the end times.. Amos Park Missionary in South Korea 🇰🇷 God is you all...

[@LifeWithJuan]

Loved this video!

[@jameshetherington3087]

Thank you so much. I really appreciate your honest analysis

[@MarkNorthAveChurch]

Thanks for watching and for the encouraging words!

[@SolaScriptura21]

I appreciate your channel, great content.

[@MarkNorthAveChurch]

Thank you for the encouragement!

[@joshgravlee]

Matthew 10:23 Christ to his disciples- “But whenever they persecute you in one city, flee to the next; for truly I say to you, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel until the Son of Man comes.

[@markrademaker5875]

The cities of Israel were all destroyed in AD70, and, God can not lie. John 1:1,14

[@BJC1649]

In Matthew 24, Jesus spoke more about his return at the END of "this age" than he did concerning the destruction of Jerusalem during "their generation," since a "generation" is considered 40 years.

[@richardrosas912]

The redemption (look up for YOUR redemption draws nigh) is the redemption of the remnant of true believers vs. the destruction of non believing Israel; who were responsible for the majority of the persecution for the early church.

[@MarkNorthAveChurch]

I appreciate this explanation. Humbly, I would just say I find it less convicting than that “your redemption” (in Luke 21:28) refers to our redemption and resurrection at Christ’s second coming (much like how that word is used in Romans 8:23 or Ephesians 4:30).

[@richardrosas912]

@ Luke 21:28 is actually further evidence that Jesus was speaking to his disciples about their preparedness for his coming. The kingdom comes without observation other than the observable signs of judgement that he explains. Unbelieving Israel refused to see the sign of his first coming therefore would be blinded in their obstinacy in the return of the Master.

[@marksorenson5871]

As a teacher of eschatology for 50 years all I can say this explanation was as clear as mud

[@MarkNorthAveChurch]

I’m afraid too often my communication abilities do feel quite muddy! Where do you think my argument is most significantly in error? I’d like to hear your thoughts.

[@SpotterVideo]

Luke's Gospel was written to more of a Gentile audience that did not celebrate Hannukah every year. Jesus Foretells Destruction of Jerusalem (subtitle from eSword) Luk 21:20　 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.　 (Mat 24:15　 "Therefore when you see the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),　 (Look at the reference to Hanukkah in John 10:22, if you want to know what the Jews of Jesus time understood about Antiochus Ephiphanes attacking the city during 167 BC, when his forces killed thousands of Jews, and stopped the sacrifices. Those two things also happened during 70AD. During 66 AD a Roman army under the command of Cestus Gallus surrounded the city and then left for some unexplained reason. The early Christians left the city after that event.) Luk 21:21　 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.　 (Mat 24:16　 "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.)　 Luk 21:22　 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.　 Luk 21:23　 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. (See also Luke 23:28-31.)　 (Mat 24:19　 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!　) Luk 21:24　 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.　 (Almost all Bible scholars agree that the first part of the verse above is about 70 AD. At the end of the verse we find a period of time known as “the times of the Gentiles”. In the verses that follow we find the future Second Coming of Christ. Paul also referred to this time period in Romans 11:25, and Acts 28:28.) The Coming of the Son of Man Luk 21:25　 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;　 (Mat 24:29　 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.)　 Luk 21:26　 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.　 Luk 21:27　 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.　 (Mat 24:30　 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.)　 Luk 21:28　 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."　 (Mat 24:33　 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near-at the doors!)

[@triciachampine5807]

A lot of interpretation which has been taught is incorrect. So yeah. We have to always be willing to adjust our interpretation in the face of new info. Not the scripture passages of course. But just our understanding of what it might nean

[@MarkNorthAveChurch]

@@triciachampine5807 I agree! It takes humility (which we all need more of!) to admit when we previously got something wrong and to make adjustments as we continue to grow and learn more of what Scripture teaches.

[@SvenShalom]

Full preterism is demonic. Pretty clear.

[@typologyJosh]

As an amil I used to hold a futurist view of v29-30. After researching many perspectives I changed to the preterist view of those two verses, because I believe Kenneth Gentry gives one of the best wholistic views of Matthew 24 compatible with eclectic amil in He Shall Have Dominion. Just wanted to put that on your radar!

[@MarkNorthAveChurch]

Ken Gentry is certainly one of the finest defenders of the Partial Preterist view!

[@typologyJosh]

According to my friends he is a weird PP for believing Matthew 24's end of the age is not the end of OC area. If you take 1689 fed's view of subservient covenants then you can have OC end of the age being the typological end of the age of the CoW era.

[@Ditchdiggerpewsitter]

....and presuppositional dual or multiple fulfilments. John Piper in his book about the appearing of the Lord says same. See John Lightfoot framer of the WCF on 2 Peter 3 melting of the elements - Stoicheia. There is no doubt we have a real hermeneutic / experiential challenge as Christians and will have to continue to deal with it in our time. Blessings for bringing out the details never the less.

[@adamcarmichaelsr.9488]

Great video!

[@MarkNorthAveChurch]

Thanks! Are you friends with Jeremiah Nortier?

[@requiredmailbox]

Daniels's 70 weeks ended by 70ad Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

[@SpotterVideo]

The following proves you are correct. Proof the 70th week of Daniel was fulfilled in the past: Based on Hebrews 12:22-24, the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26 cannot be separated from the New Covenant fulfilled by His blood at Calvary. See the words "church" and "mount Sion" and "new covenant" and "Jesus" and "blood" in the passage. Are we supposed to believe the angel Gabriel appeared to Daniel to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and then the angel failed to even mention the New Covenant. Or, is the covenant with the many in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the many in Matthew 26:28? The 1599 Geneva Bible is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America, before John Darby showed up on our shores about the time of the Civil War. What was the earlier understanding of Daniel 9:27 found below in the notes of the 1599 Geneva Bible? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate. Daniel 9:27 And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. (a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles. (b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection. (c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them. === What is the location of the "temple of God" in the Book of Revelation? The answer is revealed in Rev. 3:12 and Rev. 11:19 in heaven, and not in the wicked city found in Rev. 11:8. Anyone who claims the Book of Revelation is about 70 AD is ignoring the fact that the early Christians left the city of Jerusalem before the Roman siege of 70 AD.

[@requiredmailbox]

@@SpotterVideo they left when nero's persecution started.

[@SpotterVideo]

@@requiredmailbox They left after a Roman army under the command of Cestus Gallus surrounded the city of Jerusalem during 66 AD and then left, because they headed Christ's warning in the Olivet Discourse.

[@mikemiller8243]

Do yourself a favor, read, or give yourself an opertunity to hear Don K. Preston.

[@requiredmailbox]

Resurrection of the dead happens everyday. When a new believer comes to Christ they are no longer separated from the father(which is death), and if they accept the free gift, then the are made alive. hence Resurrected!!

[@MarkNorthAveChurch]

I agree with you that we are “raised with Christ” at the time of conversion. But the word “resurrection” (anastasis) is never used to describe something that is already true of believers now in this life. (The only exceptions in my mind is the “first resurrection” in Revelation 20, which I take to be deceased saints reigning in heaven, and possibly Hebrews 11:35, although that likely refers to resuscitations rather than permanent, never-to-die-again resurrections). All other uses of “resurrection” in the NT refer to something that is *not yet* true of Christians today. The only person who is said to *presently* be resurrected bodily is Jesus Himself. We are “raised” spiritually and “made alive” while we were previously “dead in sin,” but we are never said to be “resurrected” bodily before the last day at Christ’s return. An important NT warning comes to mind from 2 Timothy 2:16-18: “But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness, [17] and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, [18] who have swerved from the truth, saying that the resurrection has **already happened.** They are upsetting the faith of some.”

[@MarkNorthAveChurch]

I just looked at Doug Moo’s Hebrews commentary on Heb 11:35. He agrees with my above comment. Moo writes, “Verse 35a refers to Elijah‘s raising of the widow of Zeraphath’s son and Elijah‘s raising of the Shunammite’s son. From the standpoint of biblical theology, these are **resuscitations** rather than **resurrections** - both young men were restored to life, **only to die again**. In contrast is the better resurrection - a being raised to life that has no end [in 11:35b].”

[@requiredmailbox]

@@MarkNorthAveChurch the resurrection of the dead mentioned here is understood as a spiritual or metaphorical resurrection rather than a physical one. The torture and refusal of deliverance are seen as historical events, such as the martyrdom of early Christians, which were part of the fulfillment of prophetic expectations in the first century.

[@Richard4Torah]

What? That’s crazy

[@justingentry85]

How many times before the second coming do you believe the Jerusalem temple will be rebuilt? 1) zero 2) 1 rebuilt that will last until the end 3) 1 rebuild with 1 later destruction 4) multiple rebuilds and redestructions

[@MarkNorthAveChurch]

Fair question! I would say it this way: I don’t think Scripture predicts a third temple being rebuilt in our future. I know there are sincere, godly, Bible believing Christians who take Ezekiel 40-48, 2 Thessalonians 2, and the beginning of Revelation 11 that way. But I would disagree (I hope humbly!) with that interpretation. That is not to rule out the unlikely (from my perspective) but not inconceivable idea that the Jewish people may one day seek to rebuild a temple in place of the Dome of the Rock. While politically speaking that seems hard to imagine, it’s not an impossibility. So while I doubt that will happen, even if it did, I would not see that as the fulfillment of the passages I referenced above.

[@SpotterVideo]

What is the location of the "temple of God" in the Book of Revelation? The answer is revealed in Rev. 3:12 and Rev. 11:19 in heaven, and not in the wicked city found in Rev. 11:8.

[@requiredmailbox]

There is no 3rd temple destruction in the scriptures. the new temple is the believers:1Pe 2:5-10 and ye yourselves, as living stones, are built up, a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. Wherefore, also, it is contained in the Writing: 'Lo, I lay in Zion a chief corner-stone, choice, precious, and he who is believing on him may not be put to shame;' to you, then, who are believing is the preciousness; and to the unbelieving, a stone that the builders disapproved of, this one did become for the head of a corner, and a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence-who are stumbling at the word, being unbelieving, -to which also they were set; and ye are a choice race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people acquired, that the excellences ye may shew forth of Him who out of darkness did call you to His wondrous light; who were once not a people, and are now the people of God; who had not found kindness, and now have found kindness.

[@mariechristine6676]

Excusez-moi pasteur êtes-vous certain que nt wright est preteriste ? Pour moi il est amillenariste 🤔 en tout cas merci pour votre présentation de la fin des temps, j’ai beaucoup de plaisir et d’intérêt à écouter vos sermons et aussi toute la série sur les temps de la fin. J’ai moi-même une vision amillenariste.

[@MarkNorthAveChurch]

Thank you for your kind words! I am also amillennial myself. And N.T. Wright does takes a pretty strong preterist view of Matthew 24, but he also may be more of an amillennialist than postmillennial.

[@justingentry85]

The title should tead "Why Im not a FULL Preterist" since you agree that some of the passage happened in 70AD

[@MarkNorthAveChurch]

I get what you’re saying (since I agree with the preterist view entirely on Matthew 24:15-21). But “full preterism” is usually thought of as referring to the heresy that there is no future second coming. Thankfully, not many people are full preterists! I would say that while I agree with their view on those seven verses (vv 15-21), I disagree with them by my extending the tribulation all the way through the church age (which differs with them on vv. 4-14 and vv. 22-28. I also disagree with them where it especially counts, which is the focus of this sermon (vv. 29-31). So I wouldn’t consider myself a partial preterist, as that term is normally defined in regard to this passage. Does that make sense?

[@requiredmailbox]

There is no 3rd temple destruction in the bible. His kingdom has no end Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

[@requiredmailbox]

Old Heavens and earth: Gen 37:9 And he dreameth yet another dream, and recounteth it to his brethren, and saith, 'Lo, I have dreamed a dream again, and lo, the sun and the moon, and eleven stars, are bowing themselves to me.' Gen 37:10 And he recounteth unto his father, and unto his brethren; and his father pusheth against him, and saith to him, 'What is this dream which thou hast dreamt? do we certainly come-I, and thy mother, and thy brethren-to bow ourselves to thee, to the earth?' Deu 32:1 Give ear, O heavens, and I will speak. And hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. Deu 32:2 My doctrine shall drop as the rain; my speech shall drop down as the dew, as the small rain on the tender plant, and as the showers on the grass; Deu 32:3 because I will proclaim the name of Jehovah and ascribe greatness to our God. Deu 32:4 He is the Rock; His work is perfect. For all His ways are just, a God of faithfulness, and without evil; just and upright is He. Deu 32:39 See now that I, I am He, and there is no other God with Me. I kill, and I keep alive. I wound and I heal, and there is no deliverer from My hand. Isa 1:2 Hear, O heavens, and listen, O earth! For Jehovah has spoken: I have nursed and brought up sons, but they have rebelled against Me. Isa 1:3 The ox knows his owner, and the ass his master's manger, but Israel does not know; My people have not understood. New Heavens new earth Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. Mat 13:47 Again, the kingdom of Heaven is compared to a drag net thrown into the sea, and gathering together of every kind; Mat 13:48 which, when it was filled, drawing it up on the shore, and sitting down, they gathered the good into containers, and they threw out the rotten. Mat 13:49 So it will be in the completion of the age: the angels will go out and will separate the evil from the midst of the righteous, Mat 13:50 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; there will be weeping and gnashing of the teeth. Mat 13:51 Jesus said to them, Have you understood all these things? They said to Him, Yes, Lord. Mat 13:52 And He said to them, Because of this, every scribe schooled to the kingdom of Heaven is like a man, a master of a house, who puts forth out of his treasure new and old. Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth did pass away, and the sea is not any more; Rev 21:2 and I, John, saw the holy city-new Jerusalem-coming down from God out of the heaven, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband; Rev 21:3 and I heard a great voice out of the heaven, saying, 'Lo, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will tabernacle with them, and they shall be His peoples, and God Himself shall be with them-their God, Rev 21:4 and God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and the death shall not be any more, nor sorrow, nor crying, nor shall there be any more pain, because the first things did go away.' Rev 21:5 And He who is sitting upon the throne said, 'Lo, new I make all things; and He saith to me, 'Write, because these words are true and stedfast;' In the new covenant there is no sin or curses for those in Christ, so there would not be any tears(curses) in the new kingdom like there were in the old. Lo, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will tabernacle with them, and they shall be His peoples, and God Himself shall be with them-their God, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ we have this in 2025^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Judgement came to Israel when their temple fell. The presence was known by all that God's hand judged Israel. Even the early church fathers agree that God destroyed the temple. You need to do a study on harpazo and see how Jesus used the word. He used it in a spiritual sense every time. Why do you make things carnal, for the carnally minded is death.

[@bryanmercille3049]

27:50 what is one area that we have unity?

[@MarkNorthAveChurch]

I'm simply saying that those who reject a future coming of Christ and a future resurrection of the dead are guilty of genuine heresy and therefore are outside the bounds of orthodox Christian belief. They are to be put under church discipline and, until they repent, are not to be embraced as brothers in the Lord. 1 Timothy 1:16-18, "But cavoid dirreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness, [17] and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are eHymenaeus and Philetus, [18] who have swerved from the truth, saying that the resurrection **has already happened**. They are upsetting the faith of some."

[@BJC1649]

The 70 Weeks in context "Know and understand that at the beginning of 7 sets of seven time periods a king will "speak a word" to restore and rebuild Jerusalem with streets and a trench during times of trouble. Then after 62 sets of seven time periods the Messiah will come but He will be cut off from His people and have nothing. However, during the 1 set of seven time periods the Messiah will confirm a covenant with many people and therefore put an end to sacrifice and offerings in the middle of that time period........Finally, the ruler of the people will come and set up an abomination that causes the desolation of the temple and war will continue like a flood until he has completely destroyed the city and the sanctuary.

[@kobytieth8518]

There's 5 raptures brother Pre trib group- Rev 5:6-10 Mid trib group 1- Rev 7:9-10 Two witnesses Rev11:12 The 144k israelis Rev 14:3 Mid trib group 2 -Rev 15:2-3

[@ZUGTFO]

Watched a LOT of your vids and i SURE got a preterist Vibe from your teachings, and some Calvinist insanity too . . .

[@MarkNorthAveChurch]

Thanks for watching! I mean that. Regarding the Calvinist insanity, I am guilty as charged. We did a series (that you can find under North Ave’s playlists if you’re curious) on the TULIP a year or so ago for a few months. Regarding preterism, I do agree with the preterist view on Matthew 24:15-21 (and parallels to this paragraph in Mark 13 and Luke 21). But the rest of the passage (Matt 24:4-35) preterists confine (I think wrongly) to the generation of Jesus’s day only. I differ here, which is especially seen in this sermon. I believe vv. 4-14 and vv. 22-35 include the events leading up to 70 AD in the generation of the disciples, but I also think (against the preterist view) that those events extend throughout the entire church age all the way to Christ’s return. That means tribulations, earthquakes, famines, persecution, false prophets, false christs, and the worldwide preaching of the gospel (seen in v 14) will characterize the entire inter-advent church age until Christ returns.

[@BJC1649]

Jesus said there are only two ages: 1) This age; and 2) The age to come. They do not overlap and there is no gap in between. When Christ returns that is the end of "this age" and that immediately begins the "age to come". Jesus also said when he returns at the END of "this age" ALL the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.

[@requiredmailbox]

They did overlap for 40yrs from 30-70ad.. It was the 2nd exodus that Christ led with the Holy Spirit. The whole book of Hebrews address that transition period. The tares(OT Israel that denied Jesus) were destroyed and the wheat(sons of God/christians) were saved at during the destruction of the temple. Revealing who the true sons of God truly were.

[@BJC1649]

@@requiredmailbox Christ will return once at the END of "this age" as He promised.The Apostle Paul made it clear that there are two categories of Israel: 1) the natural Israel; and 2) the Israel of God. He also stated that a person's nationality, gender, slave or free man shows no favortism towards God. The natural Israel (nationality) is not necessarily a part of the Israel of God. In order for natural Israel to be a part of the Remnant (Israel) of God, as Paul stated in Romans, they must no longer harden their hearts towards the Gospel Also don't forget that Jesus Himself said in the Gospels that there is only two ages: 1) this age; and 2) the age to come...they do not overlap and there is no gap in between. When He returns that will be the end of "this age" and that immediately begins the "age to come". He also stated at the end of "this age" He will seperate the sheep from the goats once. In regards to the Trumpet sound in 1 Thess 4; that is the moment Christ returns at the end of "this age" and that is also the 7th trumpet John stated in Revelation. By the way, the Apostle John said when Christ returns at the end of this age, Every eye will see Him coming, even those who rejected Him....Unfortunately it will be too late for those who rejected Him...There will be no more opportunities.

[@BJC1649]

@@requiredmailbox Christ did not return in AD70. If so then why did not EVERY eye see him coming in the clouds?

[@requiredmailbox]

@@BJC1649 they did.. do your homework

[@BJC1649]

@@requiredmailbox Revelation 1:7 "Look, he is coming with the clouds, and EVERY EYE will see him, even those who pierced him; and ALL the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen." I suggest you to read ALL of Scripture. By the way, did YOU see him come back?

[@richardrosas912]

With all due respect because I understand why you see many of those scriptures the way you do; the problem you’re having, is not interpreting the prophetic words of Jesus through the lens of the Old Testament prophets. The verse about the vultures gathering; Jesus is referring to the Roman armies coming up Israel just as he warned them in Matthew 23 - read these verses in their context - Jeremiah 7:33, Isaiah 56:9 and Ezekiel 39:17. This is how God describes His coming in judgment- Isaiah 19. God uses a nation to judge another nation. In the New Testament however, we’re told all judgment has been given to the Son. Why would Jesus tell his Apostles to watch, stay awake, be ready?

[@JohnnyDoe1012]

God only judges nations through other nations? Which Bible are you reading? Does it include Genesis, Exodus, or 1 Kings? So which nation covered the earth with water in Noah's day? Which nation judged the workers in the Tower of Babel by dividing their speech into languages, effectively separating them? Which nation sent fire and brimstone to Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboiim? Which nation sent the plagues to Egypt? Which nation judged Israel by splitting it into the northern and southern Kingdoms? In Matthew 24 Jesus says "23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together. Did you see Jesus return with your own eyes in the first century or did someone else tell you about this supposed return? Because Jesus said that if anyone has to tell you about it, it wasn't Him but a deception. Is lightning visible or invisible? Are eagles gathering around a carcass visible or invisible? In other words, Jesus was saying that when He actually returns no one will have tell you about it because everyone will know it. Absolutely nothing to do with Rome in this passage whatsoever, not by a long shot. It's bonkers how much violence the preterist hermeneutic does to Scripture. Twisting, picking and choosing at the expense of other passages, bending, mutilating.... it's just an unbelievably bankrupt belief system.

[@richardrosas912]

@ I never made the claim suggesting the God only uses a nation to judge another nation. I simply alluded to apocalyptic language found in the Old Testament prophets that Jesus also uses when God used other nations as His instrument of judgment. You’re attempting to understand the words of Jesus from a westernized 21st century paradigm. This is not how the Apostles would have understood his words. Let’s look at the eagles. Keep in mind the context of this discourse is the coming judgement on Israel where not one stone would be left upon another concerning the temple. The context of verse 28 is throughout the discourse but let’s pick it up in verse 15 When “ye” (Peter, John, Andrew and James) therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) - Matthew 24:15 Notice what Jesus tells his Apostles what “they” are going to see 👆. This isn’t about you, it’s concerning them. But pray 👉”ye” that 👉”your” flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: - Matthew 24:20 Again, they were to pray that their flight from Jerusalem not be on the Sabbath. Why? Because they wouldn’t be able to travel far enough per the law to escape the Roman armies surrounding the city (Luke 21:20) 👉For👈 wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. - Matthew 24:28 Follow the conjunction usage from verse 15 through to verse 28. The conjunction join all these thoughts together. Jeremiah 7:33 33 pAnd the dead bodies of this people will be food for the birds of the air, and for the beasts of the earth, qand none will frighten them away Ezekiel 39:17 17 “As for you, zson of man, thus says the Lord GOD: aSpeak to bthe birds of every sort and to ball beasts of the field: ‘Assemble and come, gather from all around to cthe sacrificial feast that I am preparing for you, a great sacrificial feast on the mountains of Israel, and you shall eat flesh and drink blood. Revelation 19:17 17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to aall the birds that fly directly overhead, b“Come, gather for cthe great supper of God, The same Spirit that spoke of judgment through the prophets toward Israel is the same Spirit speaking through Jesus. The eagles / vultures gathered together is a sign of death coming upon Jerusalem; representing Rome as Jesus mentioned and as I referenced in Luke 21:20. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. - Matthew 23:27 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. - Matthew 23:35-38 Let me ask you a question; “Did Egypt see God?” The burden of Egypt. Behold, the LORD rideth upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it. And I will set the Egyptians against the Egyptians: and they shall fight every one against his brother, and every one against his neighbour; city against city, and kingdom against kingdom. And the spirit of Egypt shall fail in the midst thereof; and I will destroy the counsel thereof: and they shall seek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to them that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards. - Isaiah 19:1-3 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians. - Isaiah 19:23

[@JohnnyDoe1012]

​@@richardrosas912 "I never made the claim suggesting the God only uses a nation to judge another nation. I simply alluded to apocalyptic language found in the Old Testament prophets that Jesus also uses when God used other nations as His instrument of judgment. " You said God describes His coming in judgment as using a nation to judge another nation and no exceptions were in the text, so it was easy to come to this conclusion. "Notice what Jesus tells his Apostles what “they” are going to see 👆. This isn’t about you, it’s concerning them." This interpretation fails when you take into account that only John was still alive in 70 A.D. when Jerusalem fell, assuming for the sake of argument that that's when the abomination of desolation was. It's also inconsistent with all the other times Jesus was speaking to His disciples and crowds, in restricting His words as only to applying to them and no one else. Was Matthew 5-7 only for those who heard it? Of course not. . Ezekiel 39 was not about judgment on Israel. Have you read the whole chapter? 11 “It will come to pass in that day that I will give Gog a burial place there in Israel, the valley of those who pass by east of the sea; and it will obstruct travelers, because there they will bury Gog and all his multitude. Therefore they will call it the Valley of [g]Hamon Gog. 12 For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them, in order to cleanse the land. The same goes for Revelation 19, which is about the return of Christ. 19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. "The eagles / vultures gathered together is a sign of death coming upon Jerusalem; representing Rome as Jesus mentioned and as I referenced in Luke 21:20. " That makes about as much sense as saying that, since Jesus mentioned lightning and the SS lightning bolts were on the uniforms of the Nazi SS, it must mean He returned in 1945 through the Allies in WW2 when the Nazis were defeated. Again, did you see Jesus return with your own eyes or did someone else tell you about this supposed return? And just a few verses before that in Matthew 24 Jesus says "For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the [c]elect’s sake those days will be shortened." Was there never a time as terrible for the world as 70 A.D. ever before or ever since? Were the days shortened since the days were so terrible that no flesh would be saved? It tells us plainly in Acts 1 that Jesus' return will be visible. 9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.” Obviously they were watching with their physical eyes, not the eyes of their hearts. Obviously they were looking toward Heaven, only to be told that Jesus will return in the same manner. Nobody saw Jesus return in the first century A.D. Nobody in the church celebrated the annihilation of the devil and his angels so that they could no more deceive the nations. Nobody in the church received their Judgment Day rewards and new bodies. Christians have died ever since and have gone through pain, while Revelation 21 promises a day in which this will cease forever. None of this has taken place yet. And Matthew 23 says judgment would come on Jerusalem, and that happened in 70 A.D. but this was not the 2nd coming of Christ. Not by a long shot. Regarding Egypt, there is some apocalyptic language in the OT but, as you yourself agreed with-- that is not the only way God judges. Nor does that mean that nothing can ever be taken literally in terms of a visible return of Christ unless you'd like to try and make the argument that they didn't really see Him ascend in Acts 1 with their own eyes. Titus 2:13, 1 Timothy 6:14. 2 Timothy 1:10, 4:1, 4:8 all refer to a future appearance of Jesus at His return to judge the world. ἐπιφάνεια epiphaneia: an appearing, appearance. This is not figurative language.

[@JohnnyDoe1012]

​@@richardrosas912 for some reason KZbin glitched and deleted my comment, so we'll see if this one sticks. "I never made the claim suggesting the God only uses a nation to judge another nation. I simply alluded to apocalyptic language found in the Old Testament prophets that Jesus also uses when God used other nations as His instrument of judgment." You said God judges a nation through another nation but made no exceptions in the text, so it was easy to come to this conclusion. "Notice what Jesus tells his Apostles what “they” are going to see 👆. This isn’t about you, it’s concerning them." Only John lived to see the fall of Jerusalem, so if Jesus was saying all 3 would live to see it then 2 of them were lied to. And why wouldn't this apply elsewhere, such as Matthew 5-7 when Jesus gave the sermon on the mount? Were those words strictly for the hearers and for no one else? Obviously not. And again, Jesus did not return in the first century. He gives strict warnings to not believe any so-called reports of His return because no one will be able to doubt it when He does. If lightning is visible, and if eagles gathering around a carcass can also be seen with the naked eye, so too is the return of Christ. So again, did you see Him return with your own eyes in the first century or did someone else tell you about this supposed return? "The same Spirit that spoke of judgment through the prophets toward Israel is the same Spirit speaking through Jesus. " Ezekiel 39 and Revelation 19 were not about judgment on Israel. Ezekiel 39 was about judgment on Gog in the land of Israel, and Revelation 19 is about when Jesus actually returns to judge the nations that were also gathered in the land of Israel. "The eagles / vultures gathered together is a sign of death coming upon Jerusalem; representing Rome as Jesus mentioned and as I referenced in Luke 21:20." The passage immediately following verse 28 describes Jesus' return, and the verses preceding it were warnings to not be deceived about any false reports of His return. 23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together. 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. It helps to note vs 21-22 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened. The first century did not have these events. The worst tribulation ever in history, with nothing rivaling it before or afterward could not have taken place because it says those days would be shortened for the sake of the elect or else no one would be saved. So how in the world were those days shortened since Jesus did not return and time proceeded as usual? Which rewards did you receive on Judgment Day, and where in the New Jerusalem have you been residing for nearly 2000 years? And how is it that Christians are still dying and in pain despite a promise in Revelation 21 that this would no longer be the case after Judgment Day? When did the first century church see the anthichrist, the devil, and false prophet all thrown into the Lake of Fire? Where were the celebrations in the early church that Christ has come to set all things right and judge all evil? Since the most horrific things imaginable are still taking place today (death, disease, rape, slavery, murder, every form of sexual immorality under the sun, etc) this is proof positive that the return of Jesus has yet to take place. "Let me ask you a question; “Did Egypt see God?” While it's true that the OT does contain some apocalyptic imagery that can't be taken literally, the difference is the NT promises a day when Jesus will be seen at His return. Titus 2:13, 1 Timothy 6:14, 2 Timothy 1:10, 4:1, 4:8 We don't read about that in the OT, with descriptions of nations being judged seeing God with their eyes. They see His power, His judgments, and the calamities that accompany them but not God Himself. So why did the disciples in Acts 1 see Jesus ascend into Heaven on a cloud and be told that He will return in the same way while they were still looking up? Acts 1:9-11 9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.” If the return of Jesus was to be invisible, this would have been the place for the angels to tell them that. i.e. "Jesus will return in a DIFFERENT manner than what you just witnessed, one that cannot be viewed as you did today"

[@richardrosas912]

@@JohnnyDoe1012 understanding how these things were fulfilled in the first century is several hours worth of study; there are are answers for all the things you brought up but there’s just no way to type a full rebuttal here. Not to mention I can’t go back and reread your response without having to stop typing. If you want to tackle one issue at a time we can do that.

[@qwerty-so6ml]

PRETERISTS, HISTORISTS are taking away from the worst horror the world will see (Matthew 24:21), when the earth shakes to and fro like a drunkard (Isaiah 24:20), as the pit is opened (Revelation 9:2) and the locusts are released (Joel 2:25). John received the book of Revelation. Yet, he was told that he would be coming back at the end. Revelation 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings. That revelation of the prophesy again is in the past two decades:

[@requiredmailbox]

thats called newspaper theology

[@YouneedtoRepent-z7k]

Great teaching. Do I agree with everything you said probably not. But I do agree that preterism is a wrong teaching, especially when you dive into the book of revelation. There’s definitely a future return and millennial reign.

[@MarkNorthAveChurch]

Thanks for watching and interacting!

[@makarov138]

You might be surprised to know the the scriptures do not affirm a physical bodily coming down to the ground return of Christ. What they teach is that both his going, and his coming would be in the same way. In the clouds! Jesus, like the Father, is spirit and no longer constrained and limited in a physical body. His presence is here now. In fact the scriptures say that Christ and the Father are taking their abode inside of we believers. And for that MT 24:29? You cannot get around that "immediately!" Jesus himself called the period when Jerusalem and the temple fell the "TRIBULATION!" That was AD 70. That was when the coming appeared, because Jesus said so. And it occurred IMMEDIATELY after that tribulation. And finally; there is no "end of the world" the physical creation anywhere in scripture. That is a modern concept. The end of the age was the end of THAT AGE! The AGE of the old covenant. The New Covenant has no end. And in MT 28:20 it was the "end of the age!" The Old Covent end! The Greek is blatantly clear here! The earth is forever.

[@joshgravlee]

Secular historians and the Jewish Talmud both say the scarlet rope stopped turning white on the day of atonement the year Christ died and for 40 years before the destruction of the temple (THAT generation.) Matthew 12:41 - The men of Nineveh will stand up with this generation at the judgment, and will condemn it because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and behold, something greater than Jonah is here. The adulterous Isreal was given 40 years before their judgment.

[@One-Ruler-1Victor]

Sorry... Their are 9 very specific and direct refrences that show without a doubt that Yeshua told the 1st century Church. He was returning soon. You can't disregard those.

[@MarkNorthAveChurch]

I agree that the NT (including Jesus) says Jesus will return soon! However, I plan to address in an upcoming sermon what I believe that kind of “last hour” “I am coming soon” “in the last days” “the Judge is standing at the door” “the coming of the Lord is at hand” type language is meant to convey in Scripture.

[@simonskinner1450]

Maybe Mohammad was the Messiah? The one that fulfils Daniel is the Messiah. Why hope Jesus is when Futurists don't know what he will do? That's why I am a Praeterist.

[@simonskinner1450]

So is Jesus the Christ? Has Daniel been fulfilled? Praeterists say yes. I have a Ytube video 'Is Futurism denial of Jesus as Christ? #33 Myths in so-called Christianity'.

[@MarkNorthAveChurch]

Which part of Daniel are you referring to? For instance, I believe the destruction of Jerusalem is predicted in Daniel 9:26 and happened in 70 AD. However, the resurrection in Daniel 12:2 is still in our future.

[@simonskinner1450]

@MarkNorthAveChurch Then you are classified as a Futurist, you hope Jesus is the Christ yet John's gospel was written in evidence that he was, and his gospel was written after AD70 so why are you not a Praeterist. Well I released a Ytube video explaining in more detail the dilemma you have, not that you might agree, but John had to know Daniel was fulfilled as Jesus told of Daniel just to prove he was the Christ.

[@requiredmailbox]

all futurists ignore the 200+ time statements of it being at hand in that generation and those standing there would not taste death.. they have to basically call Jesus, the prophets and apostles wrong and say they dont mean what they say. in reality "contextually" they were living in 30-70ad, and futurists are larping, living like its the 40yr gap of 30-70ad. they ignore the importance of the temple and act like it didnt matter.

[@simonskinner1450]

@requiredmailbox My video makes the point that what happened in AD70 was a prophecy of Jesus to prove he is the Messiah, as all Daniel would be completed by the Messiah, and John's gospel written after AD70 is written to prove the Messiah was Jesus. By believing Daniel was not fulfilled by Jesus they deny he is the Messiah,

[@requiredmailbox]

@MarkNorthAveChurch You don't understand the biblical definition of resurrection. People who where dead in Christ, raised to him in 70ad to incorruptible spiritual bodies. There is no carnal resurrection. That's adding to the scriptures. The people living in 70ad who were believers in Christ were changed to incorruptible. Even today if a person is not in Christ they are dead and separated from the Father, but if they repent and come to Christ he makes them alive and dwells with them. Resurrection happens everyday and fulfills Isaiah 9:6-7.. ever increasing Kingdom with no end

[@marksorenson5871]

This young man has a lot to learn

[@MarkNorthAveChurch]

Now this I can fully agree with!

[@scotthewins5341]

As do we all

[@SvenShalom]

So do you. More so.

[@RoberttHarris]

To criticize Pastor Mark's teaching (twice now) without responding to him when he humbly reaches out to you just makes your criticism arrogant and meaningless. Blessings

[@SpotterVideo]

Put the focus on Luke's Gospel, if you want to understand the timing. It was written to more of a Gentile audience. Jesus Foretells Destruction of Jerusalem (subtitle from eSword) Luk 21:20　 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.　 (Mat 24:15　 "Therefore when you see the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),　 (Look at the reference to Hanukkah in John 10:22, if you want to know what the Jews of Jesus time understood about Antiochus Ephiphanes attacking the city during 167 BC, when his forces killed thousands of Jews, and stopped the sacrifices. Those two things also happened during 70AD. During 66 AD a Roman army under the command of Cestus Gallus surrounded the city and then left for some unexplained reason. The early Christians left the city after that event.) Luk 21:21　 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.　 (Mat 24:16　 "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.)　 Luk 21:22　 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.　 Luk 21:23　 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. (See also Luke 23:28-31.)　 (Mat 24:19　 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!　) Luk 21:24　 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.　 (Almost all Bible scholars agree that the first part of the verse above is about 70 AD. At the end of the verse we find a period of time known as “the times of the Gentiles”. In the verses that follow we find the future Second Coming of Christ. Paul also referred to this time period in Romans 11:25, and Acts 28:28.) The Coming of the Son of Man Luk 21:25　 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;　 (Mat 24:29　 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.)　 Luk 21:26　 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.　 Luk 21:27　 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.　 (Mat 24:30　 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.)　 Luk 21:28　 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."　 (Mat 24:33　 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near-at the doors!)

[@marksorenson5871]

This explanation is just as bad as preterism. Spiritualizing many of these verses. Futurism is the only explanation.

[@MarkNorthAveChurch]

Mark (great name by the way!), I am sincerely wondering what you’re referring to. Which verses in Matthew 24 do you think I inappropriately spiritualized in this message?

[@bele28]

scribes rejected Christ then because they were expecring Him to defeat romans and establish a fleshly kingdom even though Christ told them His Kingdom is not of this world.. futurists learned nothing from pharisaies downfall.. instead of turning to risen Christ and the Father in the spirit, they still wait for their kingdom of flesh Christ fully fulfilled His Word, you can call it full preterism if you want.. I just call it good news.

[@One-Ruler-1Victor]

Futurism is Inconsistent Christianity Christians believe that Yeshua was born of a virgin, walked on water, paid for sin, rose from the dead, and more. They hold these beliefs without requiring physical evidence or historical proof. They accept these truths by faith-until they reach the last letter of the Bible. When they read Revelation, suddenly they hesitate to believe what it plainly says. Words like "soon," "quickly," "shortly," and "at hand" are dismissed as not literal because they lack physical evidence or historical proof that matches what they "think" those events should have looked like. At the end of the day: A Preterist walks by faith, believing Yeshua did exactly what He said He would do-soon, 2,000 years ago. Preterists then look at history and theorize about which events fulfilled Yeshua's promises, trusting that He kept His word. A Non-Preterist doesn’t see physical evidence or historical proof that Yeshua fulfilled those promises 2,000 years ago. Instead, they theorize about why Yeshua didn't do what He said He would do, when He said He would do it. The inconvenient truth is this: If Yeshua didn’t do what He told the seven churches He would do when He said He would do it, why would anyone trust that the "what" will ever happen? If the "when" was false, it’s foolish to trust the "what." I choose to believe Yeshua wasn’t a false prophet.