Why I Play Heavy With a Shotgun [TF2]

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Жыл бұрын

Haha big guy uses small gun, oh the irony lmao (laughing my butt off)
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@UncleDane
@UncleDane Жыл бұрын
We already spoke briefly about this on the Chucklenuts Podcast, but I think it's funny that we both seemed to have this brainblast around the same time. When I'm playing heavy, I have to deal with the fact that I'm always a sitting duck while firing my Minigun, the slow spin-up time allows ambushes to completely destroy me unless I'm constantly sacrificing my speed at all times to stay rev'd, the Sandvich being less useful when consciously playing around health packs and naturally being a heal target for Medics, low-health teammates being too unaware to know that I can throw them with a Sandvich and running away instead, and overall just being bored with the horrible meta that is Tommy GruVich... I decided to actually start working the Shotgun into my Heavy gameplay as a solution to all of those problems. And what do ya know? It works. It works REALLY well. My personal favorite iteration of this playstyle is to equip the Tomislav for the faster rev speed, the Family Business for the bigger clip size (I like to chip damage everything), and the KGB because getting free guaranteed crits from bopping someone with a final blow is just awesome, and leads to some pretty crazy snowballs. Overall, I think that the Shotgun is the best solution to the Heavy's biggest, and most underrated weakness: in order to do damage, he basically has to stop moving. In a game where movement is everything, that setback consistently sets him up for failure... but the Shotgun simply removes that weakness entirely.
@jilusion
@jilusion Жыл бұрын
Well i use shotgun as heavy too! I must say it work
@katsurakotaro
@katsurakotaro Жыл бұрын
If you die with sandvich it's a skill issue
@starfucker44
@starfucker44 Жыл бұрын
ankle danes :o
@chessplayerbuthorrible
@chessplayerbuthorrible Жыл бұрын
@@katsurakotaro nah its a taunt kill issues while im eating it
@theadministrator.6632
@theadministrator.6632 Жыл бұрын
Heavy is just fat engineer
@lukemills7087
@lukemills7087 Жыл бұрын
"oh no, he's... he has... there is no sandwich" he sounds like he's lost all hope
@alex.g7317
@alex.g7317 Жыл бұрын
That’s because he has.
@JohnWhitneyTheFourth
@JohnWhitneyTheFourth Жыл бұрын
There is no fridge!
@The_Loaf_
@The_Loaf_ Жыл бұрын
Oh no he has, he has s uh, there’s no sandwich :(
@missingindy
@missingindy Жыл бұрын
That is also why I use the Sandvich; I want to deal damage, but heal my teammates, so my only options are Scout (mad milk) or Heavy (sandvich), and while I don’t want to seem selfish, but the mad milk just feels bad to use for some reason? I don’t know, probably because I suck at scout
@mrnubnub4584
@mrnubnub4584 Жыл бұрын
​@@missingindy because mad milk is cum
@BigJoeySlaps
@BigJoeySlaps Жыл бұрын
I opened this video expecting to crush someone's head between my thighs. I leave unbothered. Great shotgun footage - it really is nice to see the variety in heavy gameplay 👌
@denzellizasuain563
@denzellizasuain563 Жыл бұрын
I mean if you still want to crush someone's head between your thunder thighs like a watermelon I don't think anyone will be against that
@qbertking1910
@qbertking1910 Жыл бұрын
Joey, could you tell Sam to give me back my lawn mower
@refusingtoconform
@refusingtoconform Жыл бұрын
@@qbertking1910 Who's Sam? All I saw when I visited him was a pile of crushed watermelon and missing clothes.
@quitequeerquesadilla
@quitequeerquesadilla Жыл бұрын
@@denzellizasuain563 I mean... if he's still up to do it... 👉👈👉👈👉👈
@maninhu9837
@maninhu9837 Жыл бұрын
Big joeys seal of approval
@jonnykarkkainen9965
@jonnykarkkainen9965 Жыл бұрын
I always preferred the shotgun because sometimes you just need a quick burst of damage instead of a consistent stream of damage. The sandwich provides support yes, but making a heavy more offensive works wonders. It also allows you to pick your targets more precisely. You can just quickly nab a medic that is retreating
@ultimaterecoil1136
@ultimaterecoil1136 Жыл бұрын
It’s actually most the time a quick burst of damage is better then sustained it’s just that you can’t use a lunchbox item with a shotgun. Sustained fire is quite bad in such choke pointy maps and pyro out does the sustained dps with the panic attack degreaser loadout anyway.
@MelonRafael
@MelonRafael Жыл бұрын
If only lunch box items had their own slot.
@hydrasent563
@hydrasent563 Жыл бұрын
The only problem is that it takes time to rev up and down the minigun, so you cant pull it out as fast if you need quick damage, so its just not worth it a lot of the time, but its great for positioning
@KTheStruggler
@KTheStruggler Жыл бұрын
I used the shotgun when I played tf2 because I liked to run the brass beast and it just worked.
@kubaGR8
@kubaGR8 Жыл бұрын
SOMETIMES you need a quick burst of damage, yes, but as the least evasive, easiest to hit class in the game you ALWAYS need healing, is the problem.
@neil6685
@neil6685 Жыл бұрын
4:44 That play where he saved the game using the shotgun was genuinely cool and impressive though.
@terrace15
@terrace15 Жыл бұрын
except the shotgun didn't really do much in this clip and he probably could've accomplished the same thing by whipping out his fisticuffs
@sweglord227
@sweglord227 Жыл бұрын
but the shotgun didnt help at all there? like if he were holding anything else at that point in time he still wouldve barely capped it
@QuinncyHy
@QuinncyHy Жыл бұрын
@@sweglord227 but he probably wouldnt have made it if he had used the minigun for the same thing in that clip
@kubaGR8
@kubaGR8 Жыл бұрын
@@QuinncyHy He would have made it if he just did not rev up the minigun.
@lordmarum
@lordmarum Жыл бұрын
He didn't achieve anything with the shotgun tho, might aswell have ran to the point with the sandwich in hand, or an unreved minigun
@PixiePulse_
@PixiePulse_ Жыл бұрын
Food for thought: The devs didn't give Heavy a shotgun for no reason. If they wanted him to always have the sandvich, then he wouldn't have a shotgun
@KingKayro87
@KingKayro87 11 ай бұрын
"The Shotgun was a placeholder! Heavy's original Stock secondary was always meant to be the Sandvich!" THEN EXPLAIN THE FAMILY BUSINESS.
@jmurray1110
@jmurray1110 10 ай бұрын
That thing should be multi class Hell soldier is heavies brother in law
@jackmcmorrow9397
@jackmcmorrow9397 8 ай бұрын
The trouble with that philosophy is that Heavy's whole thing is his ability to soak up damage. Without the sandwich, Heavy loses his ability to DO that job and cant recover that ability quickly enough to be effective like other classes can. Heavy should be able to equip both the sandvich AND a shotgun, since the Sandvich is key to his playstyle.
@Wellshem
@Wellshem 7 ай бұрын
Heavy should have gotten multiple food item with different effect. Speedkebab, Jumpburger, Mac Tanky, Le Croque'Merc,...
@themilkman6969
@themilkman6969 7 ай бұрын
mmmmm food
@scootyman_
@scootyman_ Жыл бұрын
Thank you for enlightening me with the knowledge that toast sandwiches exist
@suckassmork2972
@suckassmork2972 Жыл бұрын
Bruh that's my breakfast give it back
@tippyc2
@tippyc2 Жыл бұрын
i had to go google that lol. Not surprised to learn that the Brits invented the blandest sandwich ever.
@cardboardtoaster2169
@cardboardtoaster2169 Жыл бұрын
As a person of the Toaster society, I don’t like toast sandwiches
@fahr
@fahr Жыл бұрын
I've tried it, it's ok but I feel like I'd rather just eat buttered toast
@Eye_Of_Odin978
@Eye_Of_Odin978 Жыл бұрын
@@tippyc2 Normally I'm all for trashing the Brits, but this time I'm giving them a pass. The food thing is a low blow. I mean c'mon, they already had to live through the Great Depression AND WW2 rationing, haven't they suffered enough food-related troubles? Lmao
@poggyfroggy_isntmine4596
@poggyfroggy_isntmine4596 Жыл бұрын
4:25 as soon as that medic realised you had a shotgun he immediately left you, same with the other medic later on lmao
@zer0ishere
@zer0ishere Жыл бұрын
sometimes pocketing a shotgun heavy is fun. most of the time they leave you to rot and die
@BoneyCheeks
@BoneyCheeks Жыл бұрын
Medics out here got no loyalty 🥺
@dreadnought9523
@dreadnought9523 Жыл бұрын
As a fat scout enjoyer, I've noticed you have to prove your worth to get pocketed and rightfully so.
@casualproblems
@casualproblems Жыл бұрын
they love sandwiches
@silverdededestruction2197
@silverdededestruction2197 Жыл бұрын
A harsh but worthwhile truth to learn on field is that you won't always have a medic to heal you, and that a medic may refuse to heal you at all if you don't seem to be up to snuff. But Medics can still be circumvented with good map knowledge on medkit locations. You can only rely on yourself mostly in TF2 so becoming an independent chad to flex on Medics is great
@ZackAttackHall
@ZackAttackHall Жыл бұрын
So one important mechanic that probably deserved mentioning at 5:30 is the rev time ramp-up mechanic Your dmg and accuracy will raise to normal values for 1 second AFTER you finished revving up Which was not a mechanic that existed during the young years of tf2
@agentoranj5858
@agentoranj5858 Жыл бұрын
It's also something that pushes Tomislav supremacy, you can stay silent during that one second and engage from concealment with full damage.
@retagainez
@retagainez 3 ай бұрын
So staying revved is more important than revving up quickly, if you need a lot of DPS up close.
@ZackAttackHall
@ZackAttackHall 3 ай бұрын
@@retagainez yeah. tho generally speaking, its not the biggest deal when vs any non-heavy class, but vs other heavys it’s absolutely a big deal. So much so that i frequently kill full buffed heavys who jump-rev into me being pre-revved, when i dont have my own medic. It makes that much of a difference
@fractalisomega9517
@fractalisomega9517 Жыл бұрын
Honestly really think Heavy deserves more primary variety, and I'm not just talking about "guns" Many classes have items that completely overwrite the "gun" slot with another item type entirely Food or Armor of some kind usually does the trick I'd love to see a heavy primary that's literally just body armor, just equipping it reducing incoming damage by 20%, this would pair with the shotgun for a truly fat scout, steak for a melee class, and would counter many of the melee's damage vulnerabilities that hinder them like the Warrior Spirit
@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413
@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 Жыл бұрын
the vest should give him slightly increased speed and 50 health healed on all kills also his primary variety is nonexistant because half of them are literally useless, if youre not using tomi or stock youre just putting yourself at a disadvantage
@fractalisomega9517
@fractalisomega9517 Жыл бұрын
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 Primary variety is non-existent because they're all miniguns... Most classes have something that severely deviates from the stock mechanics Shortstop, Loose Cannon, Dragon's fury, Pomson, Huntsman, Crossbow, etc
@badasscrusader
@badasscrusader Жыл бұрын
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 don't under estimate the brass beast,and the heater can be deadly if there's a lot of pyro spam,and the natasha can destroy scout's and demo knights
@Shaun_Jones
@Shaun_Jones Жыл бұрын
@@fractalisomega9517 I had an idea for a Katushka style primary that shoots a stream of weak rockets. I suspect that it would seriously annoy Vaccinator medics. Another weapon idea of mine is a lunchbox secondary called The Breadliner; it’s a loaf of bread, you can’t eat it yourself, but it’s a large health pack when thrown.
@KingKayro87
@KingKayro87 11 ай бұрын
Here's a weapon concept: THE RUSSKI'S KEVLAR +50% Bullet Damage Resistance on Wearer +35% Explosive and Fire Damage Resistance on Wearer +10% Movement Speed on Wearer No Minigun
@RdTrler
@RdTrler Жыл бұрын
13:03 Imagine if calling for a Medic while looking at a Heavy made them ask for a Sandvich.
@didsomeoneaskforanegg2168
@didsomeoneaskforanegg2168 Жыл бұрын
haven't watched yet but i'm guessing it's because 1) it lets you attack while moving/dodging unlike the minigun which requires you to become a snail to do damage 2) lets you fight around corners 3) is better to have out when someone catches you by surprise
@champagnesupernova1839
@champagnesupernova1839 Жыл бұрын
pretty much, yeah
@reimugota8181
@reimugota8181 Жыл бұрын
1:no 2: yeah he said that 3: kinda
@TheDoc_K
@TheDoc_K Жыл бұрын
@@reimugota8181 What the fuck? The answer to all 3 is an objective YES.
@reimugota8181
@reimugota8181 Жыл бұрын
@@TheDoc_K being able to move as heavy does not give you the ability to dodge shit from anyone yiu are fighting at shotgun range; he did not even mention it in te video
@jaronmarles941
@jaronmarles941 Жыл бұрын
@@reimugota8181 Yes it does...
@mayor6366
@mayor6366 Жыл бұрын
A fat scout that can aim is genuinely one of the most dangerous things you can encounter in this game, especially if they travel in packs
@SethAbercromby
@SethAbercromby Жыл бұрын
Fat scout is pretty much only threatened by soldier and sniper in a gunfight. Demo needs to be within shotgun range to nail pipes with any consistency, and since you don't have a movement penalty it's easier to juke, plus the fact you can survive two pipes from full health while they'll drop in three shotgun blasts.
@kubaGR8
@kubaGR8 Жыл бұрын
@@SethAbercromby I'd say a MInigun Heavy can shred a fat scout pretty well.
@SethAbercromby
@SethAbercromby Жыл бұрын
@@kubaGR8 Eh, it's a fair comeback to how I said it, but I think you also know what I meant. Heavy vs heavy will more often than not be decided by the primary, but when you are faced with another class and your minigun isn't already revved up, a shotgun can be very strong. And the shotgun can even out some of the matchups heavy is notoriously bad at, i.e. demoman.
@overlord3481
@overlord3481 Жыл бұрын
​@@SethAbercromby lol what are you talking about fat scout gets demolished by every combat class in the game. In fact, it would be fair to say heavy is the weakest shotgun user in the entire game. The best counter to fat scout is the scout. He just needs to get up the heavy's face and deliver a bunch of meatshots, while moving like a crackhead, and would make the scout extremely hard to track. Even if the heavy miraculously survives, his health would probably would be greatly crippled and would easily be finished off. And a half-decent demo can easily hit consistent pipes on a slow moving target.
@SethAbercromby
@SethAbercromby Жыл бұрын
@@overlord3481 Cope
@Small_child_punter
@Small_child_punter Жыл бұрын
I think the tf2 experience varies enough for heavy not to be boring. There’s so much going on and so many weird interaction that heavy does have enough to do in a game. That being said he could use some more types of play styles. I also use the shotgun because it offers for a little more variety in gun fights. Would anyone disagree with heavy having a 4th weapon slot so that the food items and shotgun are used together? I’d say heavy deserves that.
@Bnvnu
@Bnvnu Жыл бұрын
i don't think that's necessary, and would add unnecessary complexity, i thought of this change to the hue long heater to at least make it viable for one primary: while active:in the air, heavy receive a 35% speed boost (the speed of medic), at the cost of 34 ammo/s while in the air 40% faster spin up-time removal of bonus damage against enemies on fire and the regular damage penalty 35% less damage vs target not on fire this would not only give a different kind of playstyle, with a heavy much more reliant on suprise attacks and very-close range combat to deal damage, but would also, with the sheer speed at which ammunition will be spent on offense, give way for the shotguns to shine while the heavy goes for a ammo pack
@tippyc2
@tippyc2 Жыл бұрын
If someone thinks heavy is boring, it's because they're just camping. Go run some flank routes and tell me if you're still bored lol. I like the 4th slot idea, but really i just want to equip the ham shank as a lunchbox instead of melee.
@mrsquid_
@mrsquid_ Жыл бұрын
the best part of playing heavy is spamming the spy and thanks commands on 2fort
@vadorrodav4370
@vadorrodav4370 Жыл бұрын
There's actually a video talking about that from a dude called po10tial, you should watch it, it got really valid points.
@drivanradosivic1357
@drivanradosivic1357 Жыл бұрын
I would prefer slot 7 for equipment items(grenades, mines utility items like everything in the game excluding Demoman's Shields since those change the class, and something like pocket shotguns, revolvers, pistols and tranquillizer gun for slot 7) with improved Gas Passer stats and cool stock and unlocks that give more options to play the classes and maybe even find new fun ways to play them. by Gas passer stats, I mean that the idea of starting off with some grenade thing you have to earn by doing damage(and healing in the medic's case)or wait to recharge is great and avoids the Nade Spam issue of Team Fortress Classic, now tweak the amount of damage and time to recharge from 750 damage(holy crap, that much?! yowza!) and 60 seconds to say a 450 damage and 45 seconds or 300 damage and 30 seconds and add a "press R to switch from Gasoline Cloud mode and Gasoline Bomb mode(ignite the canister and do 50 damage in a AOE and cause gasoline afterburn)" to make it better. An example for a Heavy item that needs improvements, if the Steak got a Sandvich tier healing that can overheal like the Dalokosh bar(think of like you can heal 300 health like a Sandvich, but if you say heal 150 from 150HP, the remaining 150HP from that 300 Steak healing are Dalokosh Bar health increase, if Heavy was at 100HP that is 200HP healing and 100 extra HP, which in this situation is fine for you are a MELEE ONLY HEAVY), this would immediately make the Steak a better Team Fortress 2 version of the Classic Doom Berserker pack(which gave health and melee damage increase) which would make it much better in it's Berserker Heavy playstyle it tries to make and you could actually survive enough to kill people. 15HP on hit and 25HP on kill would also work as a upside to tke Steak, Warriors Spirit having 10HP on hit, 50HP on kill and no random crits for minicrits are crits and 30% more damage is 30% less damage and 30% damage vulnerability is 15% DV would make both the Steak and Bear Claws combo together, but also make the Claws a good health gain tool. if the Steak was part of a slot 4 or slot 7 for the heavy, I can see it changed as a "this item restricts the user from the minigun, and makes melee minicrit" meaning the increased movement speed is still good for the Shotgun heavy PLUS my proposed health gain and health increase as well as the Melee HP on hit and Kill would still make the Steak a good roamer Heavy but also allow for awesome Action Hero Heavy like activities, the Nuke and the Hound Dog could be good for that Action hero look. what do you think of anything of this?
@genjimede
@genjimede Жыл бұрын
This is the most important video of out generation. The slander the shotgun heavy play style has received over the years is unjust and cruel. If people could set aside their go to meta loadouts, I'm sure they could learn a lot not just about Team Fortress 2, but themselves as well.
@max7971
@max7971 Жыл бұрын
Bruh
@__lasevix_
@__lasevix_ Жыл бұрын
Fat scout is top tier and always will be
@michaelcasiano9497
@michaelcasiano9497 Жыл бұрын
@@__lasevix_ the scoundrels agrees.
@danialrafid
@danialrafid Жыл бұрын
It's a fuckin shotgun not an existential crisis
@yeetandyum3709
@yeetandyum3709 Жыл бұрын
@@max7971 please elaborate
@kaschey6145
@kaschey6145 Жыл бұрын
There's actually a much easier way to safely cross a sniper's sightline when your teammates are with you - just take out your gloves and look up, lol - when you do that, your hands cover your head while your head also flinches back - combine it with jumping and crouching and you become basically immune to headshots.
@sora911204
@sora911204 Жыл бұрын
Family Business is unironically top tier weaponry, my issue with the idea it’s a subclass is that it doesn’t have an item to reinforce the playstyle. I’d love a primary that replaces the Minigun and encourages shotgun gameplay.
@davisdf3064
@davisdf3064 Жыл бұрын
There used to be an "weapon" idea called "The Big Guy" or something, that's basically a suit that gives you more resistance and more health. The suit replaced the minigun, but it was very worth it
@walnut6684
@walnut6684 Жыл бұрын
Imagine adding some movement speed buff, that would be neat
@Manglet762
@Manglet762 Жыл бұрын
@@walnut6684 I'm sure it's a run dry saying at this point, but I THINK that'd make Heavy OP, only way it'd probably be balanced is if it was a buff on Kill, a speed buff that was barely there, or a significant buff that drains health like the Eviction and GRU which may just make it worthless to use.
@comradpingu5745
@comradpingu5745 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, demo has boots to be beefy, soldier has boots to have better air control or less self damage. Heavy could have some kind of running boots that makes him go at demo-ish speed but caps him at 250 (or 225 at least) health. Could be a fun change of past no? Side note : it could indirectly buff the use of Buffalo steak and warriors spirit to
@Eye_Of_Odin978
@Eye_Of_Odin978 Жыл бұрын
I unironically think the Heavy would benefit greatly from buffing Fat Scout play via allowing food items to be placed in the Primary slot instead. Think about it, a Heavy that sacrifices huge DPS for overall reliability with a shotgun AND can still dispense Sandviches or eat them himself would be baller af and wouldn't really be OP because, again, ya have to give up the big gun. So basically you trade defensive strength for more flexible pushes and counter-ambush options. This wouldn't have a runaway train effect on balance either because the shotguns are held back by reload times which would make this new "Sandvich Fat Scout" style balanced by that alone, not to mention the shotties require you to be close to deal huge damage. Then again, I think Heavy could benefit from at least one or two more exclusive shotguns, especially if we were to allow this Sandvich Fat Scout loadout. I think a long double-barrel (not the FaN) that does huge damage at slightly longer ranges but has to reload every two shots would be good, and maybe a SPAS-12 type shotty with some kind of gimmick or something might also work.
@foogles1526
@foogles1526 Жыл бұрын
Got a strange Family business because it was so much fun playing as a Fat man with a Shotgun
@mauricioalvarezpino1818
@mauricioalvarezpino1818 Жыл бұрын
As a heavy shotgun user, I really appreciate this video, I started using it as a meme, but it seriously complemented my more agressive playstyle
@higps
@higps Жыл бұрын
Great points, I've been saying this for years. I was hoping you'd mention the Fists of Steel synergy that you can use against soldiers and demos to completely screw them over in a fight and tank an additional shot allowing you to get the kill. If your team has more than 1 medic, you don't really need a sandwich as your shotgun will generate more value than healing half the health, As if you fire the shotgun twice, you've done more damage than your thrown sandwhich heals.
@NarwhalPM
@NarwhalPM Жыл бұрын
HiGPS with only 9 likes? Nice to see you here dude
@nyancatec
@nyancatec Жыл бұрын
This guy literally made entire video why he plays fat scout without mentioning the words "fat scout". Respect.
@clockworkpotato9892
@clockworkpotato9892 Жыл бұрын
Because he doesn't play fat scout; he uses the shotgun as a secondary source of damage rather than his primary
@nyancatec
@nyancatec Жыл бұрын
@@clockworkpotato9892 So arsonist fat scout? Pyro (Heater) and Fat scout. Wow
@hwhaht
@hwhaht Жыл бұрын
haha big guy uses small gun
@johannesneumayer6041
@johannesneumayer6041 Жыл бұрын
One loadout I find completely underrated is the Tomislav with the Panic attack. These two allow you to switch weapons much faster and the tighter spread of the Tomislav makes up for the Panic attacks poor range.
@maxhadanidea
@maxhadanidea Жыл бұрын
6:40 THIS MAN IS USING THE WARRIORS SPIRIT UNIRONICALLY
@TheWhatShow
@TheWhatShow Жыл бұрын
I'm a mad man I can't be stopped
@SourceGameEnjoyer
@SourceGameEnjoyer Жыл бұрын
8:31 Ayo what is going on here?
@the_potato2290
@the_potato2290 Жыл бұрын
I was asking the same thing…
@goldngamer1365
@goldngamer1365 Жыл бұрын
Scout do be pourin' some Mad Milk
@bronzetrophy2171
@bronzetrophy2171 Жыл бұрын
I have a strange shotgun I only use for heavy. I used to only use it for fat scout, but when I saw FishStickOnAStick's Brass Beast video, I now use it with the brass beast and natasha. The shotguns both balance out the slow rev miniguns and lets the heavy not get caught out in a 1v1 while finding a good position to switch back to the minigun.
@derpydewott4741
@derpydewott4741 Жыл бұрын
I always prefer to use the shotgun whenever I play heavy, it is just more useful for me. Also regarding healing teammates with sandwich, I recently had burning demo come up to me asking me for a sandwich, I showed him my shotgun, and he said "I respect it" before burning to death.
@giahuynguyenkim6389
@giahuynguyenkim6389 Жыл бұрын
That is so funny
@epicguy228
@epicguy228 Жыл бұрын
10:22 is my favorite part. The music, dialog, SpongeBob porn, gameplay, it all added up. Well done.
@gisgaming1236
@gisgaming1236 Жыл бұрын
AYOO thewhatshow got caught in 8k ultra hd
@arandomguywithagreenprofil5075
@arandomguywithagreenprofil5075 Жыл бұрын
I think you commented on the wrong video
@dusty_wings
@dusty_wings Жыл бұрын
Why isn't anyone else talking about it? 👀
@ugabuga_tdk
@ugabuga_tdk Жыл бұрын
@@arandomguywithagreenprofil5075 no he didn’t. Put the video to slow and skip to 10:22
@epicguy228
@epicguy228 Жыл бұрын
@@dusty_wings They're to busy zerking off to comment
@DukeOfGumby
@DukeOfGumby Жыл бұрын
I still love the gloves of running urgently, even with fat Heavy. You can keep your momentum when you switch weapons mid-air, which I think is an underrated talking point. Whenever I know I'm in a bad situation I usually just take them out and run in every direction to dodge bullets. Just a few days ago I outmaneuvered a scout. He missed every shot then kill-binded because he couldn't keep up with my strafes.
@Eripmavs_D_Yraid
@Eripmavs_D_Yraid Жыл бұрын
As a heavy main, I actually find it fun to go with a shotgun heavy loadout once in a while. All my teammates ask what the hell I'm doing when I go shotgun heavy, or even vote kick me entirely, but sometimes I actually carry a game when I do it.
@professionalfart6027
@professionalfart6027 Жыл бұрын
Quite the well thought out video, even learned a thing or two I didn't know about the shotgun. My only gripe boils down to a few overlooked points be them the benefits of using a shotgun and why it's overlooked. The shotgun is notably more important in dealing with distant snipers than mention as successful hits with the minigun won't even flinch them (no cozy camper needed) if they are beyond medium range unlike every other source of damage to my knowledge, which would've been heavy's only real option if he's caught revved up. Then there's why people prefer the sandvich and banana: Aside from the utility offered by the good lunchbox items, the minigun and shotgun share roughly the same effective range and if one plays around the weaknesses of the former, they can pretty much ignore the latter, almost like sniper to an extent. The shotgun isn't bad, just overlooked by common perspectives, just like the smg.
@jamesverner9132
@jamesverner9132 Жыл бұрын
I’m a proud fat scout. Switching from turret mode to charge in Rambo style ALWAYS scares the enemy. They never expect you to keep up.
@marcopolo8584
@marcopolo8584 Жыл бұрын
Shotascha sounds like a good combo, being able to pop into fat scout mode when the natascha is just too slow seems like a great way to make the natascha even more evil and oppressive.
@youruncleju1cy68
@youruncleju1cy68 Жыл бұрын
I do believe The Panic Attack is very underrated on Heavy, not only with the fast switch speed allowing you to pull it out faster in a emergency but also with the fixed pattern it shoots in I find myself being able to kill scouts more effectively and I do sometimes like to use the Panic Attack with the Eviction Notice with the little speed boost it gives on hit it makes you a little harder to track since I guess enemies don't expect you to be using the Eviction Notice to begin with and even you do get hit your pretty bulky to tank the damage thrown at you. Not 100% the best a lot of the time but it can be very fun.
@SourceGameEnjoyer
@SourceGameEnjoyer Жыл бұрын
12:51🤨🤨🤨🤨
@elgatochurro
@elgatochurro Жыл бұрын
Heavy without a shotgun is a sitting duck for explosives, snipers, and spies With one, you can DODGE
@OneBadBadger
@OneBadBadger Жыл бұрын
I think that old man going "I have a shotgun! Hehe, lemme' prove it." is the absolute best part of the video lmfao
@alexanderraz.
@alexanderraz. Жыл бұрын
Thats Hickok45 for You homie
@hobbespremium8762
@hobbespremium8762 Жыл бұрын
Finally, someone that understands me I don't know why the shotgun is so slept on, I've always used the family business in most of my loadouts
@momto2bs
@momto2bs Жыл бұрын
8:07 oh my god that scream!!
@Liger_Soba
@Liger_Soba Жыл бұрын
14:16 On the bright side, at least he'll be able to break out soon 💀
@the_potato2290
@the_potato2290 Жыл бұрын
Snoipeh put ya d away snoipeh
@stikbotskepribehy6674
@stikbotskepribehy6674 Жыл бұрын
5:51 Meet The Scout bloopers
@XxguaxinimxX.
@XxguaxinimxX. Жыл бұрын
11:09 - I was *NOT* excpecting Calamity Music *HERE* of all places.... Like guaranteed!
@TheeOK1
@TheeOK1 Жыл бұрын
2:41 lord. . . Forgive me for what I'm boutta do.
@SilveeYT
@SilveeYT Жыл бұрын
I'm confused 😅 What do you mean?
@ishxxl
@ishxxl Жыл бұрын
@@SilveeYT he going to put his milk into there
@randomwithashotgun2188
@randomwithashotgun2188 Жыл бұрын
@@ishxxl You found: Mad Milk
@Muffin-007
@Muffin-007 Жыл бұрын
@@randomwithashotgun2188 💀💀💀
@SGT_Squid_Dog
@SGT_Squid_Dog Жыл бұрын
If heavies learn how to use the shotgun, then I won't be able to fish them to death while screaming *SALAD*
@danielsurvivor1372
@danielsurvivor1372 Жыл бұрын
3:59 While he was slower, he was also stronger a bit, he used to do full minigun dmg from the moment you shoot while now all miniguns don't do full dmg until 1 sec of shooting passes
@Square_Rabbit
@Square_Rabbit Жыл бұрын
I like using the shotgun, but always felt bad if there was a Medic on my team since he's be expecting a sandvich. Thank you for giving me the affirmation I needed to gaslight, gatekeep, and girlboss my way through life. Also, one thing that occurred to me while watching the video - the miniguns were all given a nerf in Love and War where you need to stay spun up for a second before getting your full damage and accuracy. So while the spin-up speed was increased, that nerf kinda works to negates that. I have no idea if the shotgun would outdamage the 50% damage minigun fire, but that could still be another reason to bring a shotgun with you for unexpected encounters.
@gooblinzgoob
@gooblinzgoob Жыл бұрын
The shotgun allows the heavy to be much more aggressive and is genuinely great with other alternate miniguns such as the huo long heater and brass beast. It also can give the heavy a better fighting chance when a sniper or spy is around.
@hielkevanschaik6523
@hielkevanschaik6523 Жыл бұрын
This is a really well made video, holy cow! Love that Delfy reference as well
@hoarsebard
@hoarsebard Жыл бұрын
I find heavy kind of exciting tbh. It's the experience of being both strong and weak at once. Anyone who comes after you directly is gonna get shredded, but a single sniper or spy is gonna slap your ass just as hard. There's hidden nuance to heavy, and I feel you covered a lot of it with this video regarding the shotguns.
@nsprut
@nsprut Жыл бұрын
12:42 - this guy can't extinguish his dudes, you can't heal him. Everything is fair
@sharinganmoon
@sharinganmoon Жыл бұрын
This video was really well written and edited. Enjoyed every aspect of it. 10/10
@triPixel
@triPixel Жыл бұрын
13:14 lmaooooooooo
@admiralAlfonso9001
@admiralAlfonso9001 Жыл бұрын
The eviction notice is his best melee
@Small_child_punter
@Small_child_punter Жыл бұрын
Nope.
@admiralAlfonso9001
@admiralAlfonso9001 Жыл бұрын
@@Small_child_punter oh sorry I didn’t know
@ish-kaiben
@ish-kaiben Жыл бұрын
7:20 GOD DAMN that Solder ragdoll.
@missingindy
@missingindy 10 ай бұрын
I think the reason the sandvich and banana are so highly regarded is because it provides immediate healing, so if you’re low health you won’t have to run to a healthpack if you didn’t have a dispenser or medic, and healthpacks are usually away from the action and with Heavy’s slow speed you would miss out on helping your team if you took too long, this is also why Medics and Dispensers are good for heavy and all other classes: they provide healing at the frontlines so you won’t have to run to a healthpack to get your health back
@sonicmeerkat
@sonicmeerkat Жыл бұрын
fat scouting is always a good time, but when you use it with the slow charge up miniguns, holy shit the damage you can deal is nutty.
@tankthomus
@tankthomus Жыл бұрын
I have used the shotgun with the Minigun for many years and I have a mostly positive relationship with it. It is a ton of fun to use, and my minigun of choice is the Hou Long Heater which it pairs really well with. When you have a decent medic up your butt all the time, the shotgun is pretty much a direct upgrade from the sandwich. My only gripe with the shotgun is that on pubs finding a good medic is usually quiet hard and that self-healing really comes in handy when there isn't a lot of health packs around the map. I know the shotgun isn't as good as the sandwich, but the mobility and bullet blasting fun of the shotgun makes it my first pick.
@tobiaspetersson6446
@tobiaspetersson6446 Жыл бұрын
0:25 hood struggle meal
@chiefr9627
@chiefr9627 Жыл бұрын
It's amazing that you uploaded this when you did, just last night I was playing Skial and a heavy on my team was running a shotgun. I decided to run it too for the meme, and probably had some of the longest survival time as a heavy ever.
@thetexanbuzzsaw3145
@thetexanbuzzsaw3145 5 ай бұрын
Pure shock tactics; something heavy excels at.
@piotrkwiatkowski3029
@piotrkwiatkowski3029 Жыл бұрын
7:38 we did this but demo was doing the pooped deck taunt and heavy did the push ups to his balls lol
@Priincipal-pe9mp
@Priincipal-pe9mp Жыл бұрын
I agree, Heavy's Shotguns aren't bad, definitely underrated
@adam8853
@adam8853 Жыл бұрын
It's not only bad, but trash, sandvich is much better, and minigun is 100% better than it
@Priincipal-pe9mp
@Priincipal-pe9mp Жыл бұрын
@@adam8853 someone didn't watch the video apparently...
@calamaribowl8683
@calamaribowl8683 Жыл бұрын
"And if you wanna get spicy..." Me: banana! "Gru"
@WoodlandTrotter
@WoodlandTrotter Жыл бұрын
Very good video! I think some people sort of forget that a shotgun is a GUN. It sort of comes with the added bonus of nobody expecting you to ever use it, unlike the other classes with the shotgun. I find it to be pretty damn good in MVM, since you can just pick up health on kill for your minigun to pretty much completely remove the need for a lunchbox item, and it's helped me when I run out of ammo or if a sneaky bot manages to get past me. I can chase them with the gru and take them down quickly since I won't have to rev up.
@mayochup
@mayochup Жыл бұрын
7:56 best part of the video
@admiralAlfonso9001
@admiralAlfonso9001 Жыл бұрын
I like fat scout because of how much more flexible it can be
@infinityheart_tm9270
@infinityheart_tm9270 7 ай бұрын
Shotguns in most shooters: The “No Skill Weapon” Shotguns in TF2: A fun alternative
@thenoobman8824
@thenoobman8824 Жыл бұрын
the only thing that i learned from this video is that theres a food that is named toast sandwich
@jakobthe
@jakobthe Жыл бұрын
i never even _live_ long enough to use the sandvich
@alternativewalls4988
@alternativewalls4988 Жыл бұрын
So, what animations mod do you use (specifically at 2:54)?
@SilveeYT
@SilveeYT Жыл бұрын
A beautiful mod, that's what~
@haze3880
@haze3880 9 ай бұрын
the last few days I've been playing shotgun-only heavy, just for the laughs. and then I start to think it's actually pretty good, maybe I should seriously combine this with minigun usage. and then like magic I ran into this video. there's so many situations where heavy's shotgun is the perfect tool for the job, and I never noticed these moments because I only ever had the sandvich equipped. only after using the shotgun for a little while, I could see the opportunities I had missed. At the very least it's worth trying this out, just to think more flexibly about how Heavy can be played!
@D-S-G.
@D-S-G. Жыл бұрын
Ive played heavy with shotgun for a while now, and whipping out a stock shotgun is so satisfying to snap a scout out of the air or suddenly rush forward when the opponent thinks I would unrev and retreat
@KeyboardKlutz_0
@KeyboardKlutz_0 Жыл бұрын
Never underestimate a fat scout who knows how to shoot.
@ulaaks3334
@ulaaks3334 Жыл бұрын
10:22 the top left hand corner
@goldngamer1365
@goldngamer1365 Жыл бұрын
Ayo?
@gahlicc
@gahlicc Жыл бұрын
my favorite image on the internet
@WaterBisquitte
@WaterBisquitte Жыл бұрын
5:40 okay hold up we all know Heavy is caked beyond belief
@goldngamer1365
@goldngamer1365 Жыл бұрын
I knew he had cake but i didn't know he had the whole cakery!!
@Qrani
@Qrani Жыл бұрын
A while back I bought a Collector's Specialized Killstreak Family Business as a joke for playing fat scout, but every time I play heavy normally I find myself using it because it's so nice to have and definitely a lot more fun
@kirinasthebestgod4552
@kirinasthebestgod4552 Жыл бұрын
8:50 do only i hear it as lazypurple voice from his vid? xd
@asegamer7421
@asegamer7421 Жыл бұрын
I actually prefer the family business over sandvich just cause I can finish enemies faster first a bit minigun then family business great combo!
@didsomeoneaskforanegg2168
@didsomeoneaskforanegg2168 Жыл бұрын
that is incredibly pointless and suboptimal. granted, it's tf2, so you can do whatever fun stuff you want, but don't act like that isn't strictly worse in every situation than just using the minigun
@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413
@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 Жыл бұрын
@@didsomeoneaskforanegg2168 i hate how bad the shotguns are and how its not possible to make it good
@asegamer7421
@asegamer7421 Жыл бұрын
@@didsomeoneaskforanegg2168 It isn't that bad as you said its tf2 its not meta but for maps with plenty of health kits it kinda works and is really fun
@drq_seed
@drq_seed Жыл бұрын
Miniguns take a second it rev up BUT they have a 50% dmg penalty FOR 1 SECOND AFTER REVING UP
@SamuelTrademarked
@SamuelTrademarked 9 ай бұрын
@@didsomeoneaskforanegg2168 who cares, this is a 12v12 game
@Mr.Freeze420
@Mr.Freeze420 6 ай бұрын
I started using the family business often now and it’s a lot of fun. The different war painted ones, strange version and my team is respecting me for using it.
@adanvillegas6710
@adanvillegas6710 Жыл бұрын
Your editing is hilarious my guy. Amazing vid!
@Blastrock64
@Blastrock64 Жыл бұрын
The Eviction Notice also works good with the shotguns since the speed boost on hit lasts enough to deal a few shots while really fast and the 15% faster speed while active can work good for your movement heavy playstyle.
@supermudkipz
@supermudkipz Жыл бұрын
A big part of playing Heavy is gamesense and knowing where to go and where to hold horn the fort. I dare say that the Shotgun is the best weapon for Heavies that suck at both of those things, aka are bad at Heavy.
@MeAMoose
@MeAMoose Жыл бұрын
0:03 I have never, in my 2 thousand hours, heard heavy described as boring.
@purplehaze2358
@purplehaze2358 9 ай бұрын
The way you described the quintessential heavy loadout as "tamislav + sandvich + fists of steel" greatly offended me as an avid second banana enjoyer.
@greyh456
@greyh456 Жыл бұрын
I've been playing heavy like this for a while now after meming as fatscout and then realizing shotgun heavy is pretty good, especially when using it in tandem with the minigun at the right time and place. Glad to see the power of heavy's shotgun be recognized.
@bunny6820
@bunny6820 Жыл бұрын
I honestly really like this as one of the few people who actually appreciated the mobility the shotgun gives heavy but never found a use for it!
@Superkidra
@Superkidra Жыл бұрын
Ooh, I love that you mentioned the aim-punch on shotguns 9:52 One of my favourite things about shotgun on Pyro-- at least it feels like it helps, and gives me more aim checks if I'm feelin it :o
@badideagenerator2315
@badideagenerator2315 Жыл бұрын
the family business is a direct upgrade from stock. you can deal up to 225 dps at close range due to it firing as fast as the stock revolver in exchange for a negligible damage penalty.
@abrahamdiaz9630
@abrahamdiaz9630 Жыл бұрын
So, movement heavy sounds like fat scout build with flame decals. Or is that just me
@manekrit2417
@manekrit2417 Жыл бұрын
The humor is immaculate. You made my morning, sir.
@TheProfProfessor
@TheProfProfessor Жыл бұрын
I’ve always found the dalokahs enough of a health source, plus it gives ongoing health regen with the gru
@sansalphawolf3293
@sansalphawolf3293 Жыл бұрын
As a medic main I love the banana or the shotguns on a heavy since its helps me acctualy more then the sandvich in a pinch (or just feed me more food)
@tsunderemerc2963
@tsunderemerc2963 Жыл бұрын
I've always used the shotgun, and enjoyed it. If anything, to break from the meta a little. It also helps me run the Brass Beast outside of MVM since that gun is a huge commitment once you rev up
@WaterBisquitte
@WaterBisquitte Жыл бұрын
11:30 Terraria Calamity soundtrack? Wtf lol thats awesome
@WoahItsKobu
@WoahItsKobu Жыл бұрын
This video was good! It enlightened my day! Thanks, TheWhat! 👍
@bluestar3144
@bluestar3144 7 ай бұрын
I decided to try the fat scout style, and i must say i was doing pretty well. It was fun and effective. I even renamed a tomislav and a family business into the deal-maker and deal-breaker. A lovly duo.
@typhoon1575
@typhoon1575 9 ай бұрын
The best suggestion to fis heavy I've ever seen is to make the lunchbox items a dedicated slot 4. Make it so that the sandwich and others do not compete with the shotgun for secondary slots
@sliquidator0123
@sliquidator0123 Жыл бұрын
Killing gloves synergies SO well with the family business, those 2 extra shots with the crits obliterate even heavies
@Keldiur
@Keldiur Жыл бұрын
Of all the years I played TF2, it all depended on the Medic that glued to me whether I used the Sandy or the Shotty. If my Medic was always bad with the splash damage dodge or if there was a lot of damage coming his way I would Sandy. Yet sometimes it would feel like I was using the Lucksman because if you do not hit some Meds directly they will not notice. The shotgun on the other hand has plenty of applications. You can kill a Spy or scout quicker than a Minigun sometimes if you have the aim with the Shotty. Also, on any sort of push, if you run out of Minigun Ammo, with the shotty you continue on. Continuing a push and while you might not have the range and the power you are not just simply giving up. The longer you stay out there means Demos and Soldiers are not dealing with a full clip themselves and engies might be running low on some metal if they are a turtle engie. The worst thing you can do as a Heavy on a push, is to turn around after you gain position. I have seen plenty of new Heavies turn around when out of Ammo or low health. As soon as you turn around, you let everyone reload and reset. If you ever puncture a defense, do not stop, even if its a guarantee you will be waiting for a respawn in the next 10 seconds.
@yocats9974
@yocats9974 8 ай бұрын
12:42 "Think of all the poor faces you'll be disappointing by foregoing packing your lunch in favor of packing heat" That's such a good line, that's genius 🤣
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