Why I Play Heavy With a Shotgun [TF2]

[@UncleDane]

We already spoke briefly about this on the Chucklenuts Podcast, but I think it's funny that we both seemed to have this brainblast around the same time. When I'm playing heavy, I have to deal with the fact that I'm always a sitting duck while firing my Minigun, the slow spin-up time allows ambushes to completely destroy me unless I'm constantly sacrificing my speed at all times to stay rev'd, the Sandvich being less useful when consciously playing around health packs and naturally being a heal target for Medics, low-health teammates being too unaware to know that I can throw them with a Sandvich and running away instead, and overall just being bored with the horrible meta that is Tommy GruVich... I decided to actually start working the Shotgun into my Heavy gameplay as a solution to all of those problems. And what do ya know? It works. It works REALLY well. My personal favorite iteration of this playstyle is to equip the Tomislav for the faster rev speed, the Family Business for the bigger clip size (I like to chip damage everything), and the KGB because getting free guaranteed crits from bopping someone with a final blow is just awesome, and leads to some pretty crazy snowballs. Overall, I think that the Shotgun is the best solution to the Heavy's biggest, and most underrated weakness: in order to do damage, he basically has to stop moving. In a game where movement is everything, that setback consistently sets him up for failure... but the Shotgun simply removes that weakness entirely.

[@jilusion]

Well i use shotgun as heavy too! I must say it work

[@thechanglongwang]

If you die with sandvich it's a skill issue

[@starfucker44]

ankle danes :o

[@ZealotEnjoyer]

@@thechanglongwang nah its a taunt kill issues while im eating it

[@theadministrator.6632]

Heavy is just fat engineer

[@lukemills7087]

"oh no, he's... he has... there is no sandwich" he sounds like he's lost all hope

[@alex.g7317]

That’s because he has.

[@JohnWhitneyTheFourth]

There is no fridge!

[@The_Loaf_]

Oh no he has, he has s uh, there’s no sandwich :(

[@missingindy]

That is also why I use the Sandvich; I want to deal damage, but heal my teammates, so my only options are Scout (mad milk) or Heavy (sandvich), and while I don’t want to seem selfish, but the mad milk just feels bad to use for some reason? I don’t know, probably because I suck at scout

[@mrnubnub4584]

​@@missingindy because mad milk is cum

[@BigJoeySlaps]

I opened this video expecting to crush someone's head between my thighs. I leave unbothered. Great shotgun footage - it really is nice to see the variety in heavy gameplay 👌

[@denzellizasuain563]

I mean if you still want to crush someone's head between your thunder thighs like a watermelon I don't think anyone will be against that

[@qbertking1910]

Joey, could you tell Sam to give me back my lawn mower

[@refusingtoconform]

@@qbertking1910 Who's Sam? All I saw when I visited him was a pile of crushed watermelon and missing clothes.

[@quitequeerquesadilla]

@@denzellizasuain563 I mean... if he's still up to do it... 👉👈👉👈👉👈

[@maninhu9837]

Big joeys seal of approval

[@jonnykarkkainen9965]

I always preferred the shotgun because sometimes you just need a quick burst of damage instead of a consistent stream of damage. The sandwich provides support yes, but making a heavy more offensive works wonders. It also allows you to pick your targets more precisely. You can just quickly nab a medic that is retreating

[@ultimaterecoil1136]

It’s actually most the time a quick burst of damage is better then sustained it’s just that you can’t use a lunchbox item with a shotgun. Sustained fire is quite bad in such choke pointy maps and pyro out does the sustained dps with the panic attack degreaser loadout anyway.

[@MelonRafael]

If only lunch box items had their own slot.

[@hydrasent563]

The only problem is that it takes time to rev up and down the minigun, so you cant pull it out as fast if you need quick damage, so its just not worth it a lot of the time, but its great for positioning

[@KTheStruggler]

I used the shotgun when I played tf2 because I liked to run the brass beast and it just worked.

[@kubaGR8]

SOMETIMES you need a quick burst of damage, yes, but as the least evasive, easiest to hit class in the game you ALWAYS need healing, is the problem.

[@neil6685]

4:44 That play where he saved the game using the shotgun was genuinely cool and impressive though.

[@terrace15]

except the shotgun didn't really do much in this clip and he probably could've accomplished the same thing by whipping out his fisticuffs

[@sweglord227]

but the shotgun didnt help at all there? like if he were holding anything else at that point in time he still wouldve barely capped it

[@QuinncyHy]

@@sweglord227 but he probably wouldnt have made it if he had used the minigun for the same thing in that clip

[@kubaGR8]

@@QuinncyHy He would have made it if he just did not rev up the minigun.

[@lordmarum]

He didn't achieve anything with the shotgun tho, might aswell have ran to the point with the sandwich in hand, or an unreved minigun

[@scootyman_]

Thank you for enlightening me with the knowledge that toast sandwiches exist

[@suckassmork2972]

Bruh that's my breakfast give it back

[@tippyc2]

i had to go google that lol. Not surprised to learn that the Brits invented the blandest sandwich ever.

[@cardboardtoaster2169]

As a person of the Toaster society, I don’t like toast sandwiches

[@fahr]

I've tried it, it's ok but I feel like I'd rather just eat buttered toast

[@Eye_Of_Odin978]

@@tippyc2 Normally I'm all for trashing the Brits, but this time I'm giving them a pass. The food thing is a low blow. I mean c'mon, they already had to live through the Great Depression AND WW2 rationing, haven't they suffered enough food-related troubles? Lmao

[@poggyfroggy_isntmine4596]

4:25 as soon as that medic realised you had a shotgun he immediately left you, same with the other medic later on lmao

[@zer0ishere]

sometimes pocketing a shotgun heavy is fun. most of the time they leave you to rot and die

[@BoneyCheeks]

Medics out here got no loyalty 🥺

[@dreadnought9523]

As a fat scout enjoyer, I've noticed you have to prove your worth to get pocketed and rightfully so.

[@casualproblems]

they love sandwiches

[@silverdededestruction2197]

A harsh but worthwhile truth to learn on field is that you won't always have a medic to heal you, and that a medic may refuse to heal you at all if you don't seem to be up to snuff. But Medics can still be circumvented with good map knowledge on medkit locations. You can only rely on yourself mostly in TF2 so becoming an independent chad to flex on Medics is great

[@PixiePulse_]

Food for thought: The devs didn't give Heavy a shotgun for no reason. If they wanted him to always have the sandvich, then he wouldn't have a shotgun

[@KingKayro87]

"The Shotgun was a placeholder! Heavy's original Stock secondary was always meant to be the Sandvich!" THEN EXPLAIN THE FAMILY BUSINESS.

[@jmurray1110]

That thing should be multi class Hell soldier is heavies brother in law

[@jackmcmorrow9397]

The trouble with that philosophy is that Heavy's whole thing is his ability to soak up damage. Without the sandwich, Heavy loses his ability to DO that job and cant recover that ability quickly enough to be effective like other classes can. Heavy should be able to equip both the sandvich AND a shotgun, since the Sandvich is key to his playstyle.

[@PrimarchRoboleonFrenchyman]

Heavy should have gotten multiple food item with different effect. Speedkebab, Jumpburger, Mac Tanky, Le Croque'Merc,...

[@themilkman6969]

mmmmm food

[@mayor6366]

A fat scout that can aim is genuinely one of the most dangerous things you can encounter in this game, especially if they travel in packs

[@SethAbercromby]

Fat scout is pretty much only threatened by soldier and sniper in a gunfight. Demo needs to be within shotgun range to nail pipes with any consistency, and since you don't have a movement penalty it's easier to juke, plus the fact you can survive two pipes from full health while they'll drop in three shotgun blasts.

[@kubaGR8]

@@SethAbercromby I'd say a MInigun Heavy can shred a fat scout pretty well.

[@SethAbercromby]

@@kubaGR8 Eh, it's a fair comeback to how I said it, but I think you also know what I meant. Heavy vs heavy will more often than not be decided by the primary, but when you are faced with another class and your minigun isn't already revved up, a shotgun can be very strong. And the shotgun can even out some of the matchups heavy is notoriously bad at, i.e. demoman.

[@overlord3481]

​@@SethAbercromby lol what are you talking about fat scout gets demolished by every combat class in the game. In fact, it would be fair to say heavy is the weakest shotgun user in the entire game. The best counter to fat scout is the scout. He just needs to get up the heavy's face and deliver a bunch of meatshots, while moving like a crackhead, and would make the scout extremely hard to track. Even if the heavy miraculously survives, his health would probably would be greatly crippled and would easily be finished off. And a half-decent demo can easily hit consistent pipes on a slow moving target.

[@SethAbercromby]

@@overlord3481 Cope

[@RdTrler]

13:03 Imagine if calling for a Medic while looking at a Heavy made them ask for a Sandvich.

[@fhsofdgadji]

"need a sandwich here big guy"

[@cheese3764]

"Need a plate here"

[@epicguy228]

10:22 is my favorite part. The music, dialog, SpongeBob porn, gameplay, it all added up. Well done.

[@gisgaming1236]

AYOO thewhatshow got caught in 8k ultra hd

[@arandomguywithagreenprofil5075]

I think you commented on the wrong video

[@dusty_wings]

Why isn't anyone else talking about it? 👀

[@ugabuga_tdk]

@@arandomguywithagreenprofil5075 no he didn’t. Put the video to slow and skip to 10:22

[@epicguy228]

@@dusty_wings They're to busy zerking off to comment

[@fractalisomega9517]

Honestly really think Heavy deserves more primary variety, and I'm not just talking about "guns" Many classes have items that completely overwrite the "gun" slot with another item type entirely Food or Armor of some kind usually does the trick I'd love to see a heavy primary that's literally just body armor, just equipping it reducing incoming damage by 20%, this would pair with the shotgun for a truly fat scout, steak for a melee class, and would counter many of the melee's damage vulnerabilities that hinder them like the Warrior Spirit

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

the vest should give him slightly increased speed and 50 health healed on all kills also his primary variety is nonexistant because half of them are literally useless, if youre not using tomi or stock youre just putting yourself at a disadvantage

[@fractalisomega9517]

@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 Primary variety is non-existent because they're all miniguns... Most classes have something that severely deviates from the stock mechanics Shortstop, Loose Cannon, Dragon's fury, Pomson, Huntsman, Crossbow, etc

[@badasscrusader]

@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 don't under estimate the brass beast,and the heater can be deadly if there's a lot of pyro spam,and the natasha can destroy scout's and demo knights

[@Shaun_Jones]

@@fractalisomega9517 I had an idea for a Katushka style primary that shoots a stream of weak rockets. I suspect that it would seriously annoy Vaccinator medics. Another weapon idea of mine is a lunchbox secondary called The Breadliner; it’s a loaf of bread, you can’t eat it yourself, but it’s a large health pack when thrown.

[@KingKayro87]

Here's a weapon concept: THE RUSSKI'S KEVLAR +50% Bullet Damage Resistance on Wearer +35% Explosive and Fire Damage Resistance on Wearer +10% Movement Speed on Wearer No Minigun

[@ZackAttackHall]

So one important mechanic that probably deserved mentioning at 5:30 is the rev time ramp-up mechanic Your dmg and accuracy will raise to normal values for 1 second AFTER you finished revving up Which was not a mechanic that existed during the young years of tf2

[@agentoranj5858]

It's also something that pushes Tomislav supremacy, you can stay silent during that one second and engage from concealment with full damage.

[@retagainez]

So staying revved is more important than revving up quickly, if you need a lot of DPS up close.

[@ZackAttackHall]

@@retagainez yeah. tho generally speaking, its not the biggest deal when vs any non-heavy class, but vs other heavys it’s absolutely a big deal. So much so that i frequently kill full buffed heavys who jump-rev into me being pre-revved, when i dont have my own medic. It makes that much of a difference

[@genjimede]

This is the most important video of out generation. The slander the shotgun heavy play style has received over the years is unjust and cruel. If people could set aside their go to meta loadouts, I'm sure they could learn a lot not just about Team Fortress 2, but themselves as well.

[@max7971]

Bruh

[@__lasevix_]

Fat scout is top tier and always will be

[@michaelcasiano9497]

@@__lasevix_ the scoundrels agrees.

[@drm.himself]

It's a fuckin shotgun not an existential crisis

[@yeetandyum3709]

@@max7971 please elaborate

[@higps]

Great points, I've been saying this for years. I was hoping you'd mention the Fists of Steel synergy that you can use against soldiers and demos to completely screw them over in a fight and tank an additional shot allowing you to get the kill. If your team has more than 1 medic, you don't really need a sandwich as your shotgun will generate more value than healing half the health, As if you fire the shotgun twice, you've done more damage than your thrown sandwhich heals.

[@NarwhalPM]

HiGPS with only 9 likes? Nice to see you here dude

[@didsomeoneaskforanegg2168]

haven't watched yet but i'm guessing it's because 1) it lets you attack while moving/dodging unlike the minigun which requires you to become a snail to do damage 2) lets you fight around corners 3) is better to have out when someone catches you by surprise

[@champagnesupernova1839]

pretty much, yeah

[@reimugota8181]

1:no 2: yeah he said that 3: kinda

[@reimugota8181]

@Doc K being able to move as heavy does not give you the ability to dodge shit from anyone yiu are fighting at shotgun range; he did not even mention it in te video

[@jaronmarles941]

@@reimugota8181 Yes it does...

[@vivelespatat2670]

@@reimugota8181 You can juke pipes easier, you can S U R F rockets, you also aren't as vulnerable against Spy

[@mauricioalvarezpino1818]

As a heavy shotgun user, I really appreciate this video, I started using it as a meme, but it seriously complemented my more agressive playstyle

[@foogles1526]

Got a strange Family business because it was so much fun playing as a Fat man with a Shotgun

[@kaschey6145]

There's actually a much easier way to safely cross a sniper's sightline when your teammates are with you - just take out your gloves and look up, lol - when you do that, your hands cover your head while your head also flinches back - combine it with jumping and crouching and you become basically immune to headshots.

[@Small_child_punter]

I think the tf2 experience varies enough for heavy not to be boring. There’s so much going on and so many weird interaction that heavy does have enough to do in a game. That being said he could use some more types of play styles. I also use the shotgun because it offers for a little more variety in gun fights. Would anyone disagree with heavy having a 4th weapon slot so that the food items and shotgun are used together? I’d say heavy deserves that.

[@Bnvnu]

i don't think that's necessary, and would add unnecessary complexity, i thought of this change to the hue long heater to at least make it viable for one primary: while active:in the air, heavy receive a 35% speed boost (the speed of medic), at the cost of 34 ammo/s while in the air 40% faster spin up-time removal of bonus damage against enemies on fire and the regular damage penalty 35% less damage vs target not on fire this would not only give a different kind of playstyle, with a heavy much more reliant on suprise attacks and very-close range combat to deal damage, but would also, with the sheer speed at which ammunition will be spent on offense, give way for the shotguns to shine while the heavy goes for a ammo pack

[@tippyc2]

If someone thinks heavy is boring, it's because they're just camping. Go run some flank routes and tell me if you're still bored lol. I like the 4th slot idea, but really i just want to equip the ham shank as a lunchbox instead of melee.

[@mrsquid_]

the best part of playing heavy is spamming the spy and thanks commands on 2fort

[@vadorrodav4370]

There's actually a video talking about that from a dude called po10tial, you should watch it, it got really valid points.

[@drivanradosivic1357]

I would prefer slot 7 for equipment items(grenades, mines utility items like everything in the game excluding Demoman's Shields since those change the class, and something like pocket shotguns, revolvers, pistols and tranquillizer gun for slot 7) with improved Gas Passer stats and cool stock and unlocks that give more options to play the classes and maybe even find new fun ways to play them. by Gas passer stats, I mean that the idea of starting off with some grenade thing you have to earn by doing damage(and healing in the medic's case)or wait to recharge is great and avoids the Nade Spam issue of Team Fortress Classic, now tweak the amount of damage and time to recharge from 750 damage(holy crap, that much?! yowza!) and 60 seconds to say a 450 damage and 45 seconds or 300 damage and 30 seconds and add a "press R to switch from Gasoline Cloud mode and Gasoline Bomb mode(ignite the canister and do 50 damage in a AOE and cause gasoline afterburn)" to make it better. An example for a Heavy item that needs improvements, if the Steak got a Sandvich tier healing that can overheal like the Dalokosh bar(think of like you can heal 300 health like a Sandvich, but if you say heal 150 from 150HP, the remaining 150HP from that 300 Steak healing are Dalokosh Bar health increase, if Heavy was at 100HP that is 200HP healing and 100 extra HP, which in this situation is fine for you are a MELEE ONLY HEAVY), this would immediately make the Steak a better Team Fortress 2 version of the Classic Doom Berserker pack(which gave health and melee damage increase) which would make it much better in it's Berserker Heavy playstyle it tries to make and you could actually survive enough to kill people. 15HP on hit and 25HP on kill would also work as a upside to tke Steak, Warriors Spirit having 10HP on hit, 50HP on kill and no random crits for minicrits are crits and 30% more damage is 30% less damage and 30% damage vulnerability is 15% DV would make both the Steak and Bear Claws combo together, but also make the Claws a good health gain tool. if the Steak was part of a slot 4 or slot 7 for the heavy, I can see it changed as a "this item restricts the user from the minigun, and makes melee minicrit" meaning the increased movement speed is still good for the Shotgun heavy PLUS my proposed health gain and health increase as well as the Melee HP on hit and Kill would still make the Steak a good roamer Heavy but also allow for awesome Action Hero Heavy like activities, the Nuke and the Hound Dog could be good for that Action hero look. what do you think of anything of this?

[@maxhadanidea]

6:40 THIS MAN IS USING THE WARRIORS SPIRIT UNIRONICALLY

[@TheWhatShow]

I'm a mad man I can't be stopped

[@jamesverner9132]

I’m a proud fat scout. Switching from turret mode to charge in Rambo style ALWAYS scares the enemy. They never expect you to keep up.

[@hwhaht]

haha big guy uses small gun

[@nyancatec]

This guy literally made entire video why he plays fat scout without mentioning the words "fat scout". Respect.

[@clockworkpotato9892]

Because he doesn't play fat scout; he uses the shotgun as a secondary source of damage rather than his primary

[@nyancatec]

@@clockworkpotato9892 So arsonist fat scout? Pyro (Heater) and Fat scout. Wow

[@TheWumpMan]

​@@nyancatecmost of the time he isn't using the huo long heater though.

[@nerkdurgen5574]

ppl using stock weaponry as intended isnt a subclass he's just playing heavy. fat scout is intentionally ignoring your minigun

[@sora911204]

Family Business is unironically top tier weaponry, my issue with the idea it’s a subclass is that it doesn’t have an item to reinforce the playstyle. I’d love a primary that replaces the Minigun and encourages shotgun gameplay.

[@davisdf3064]

There used to be an "weapon" idea called "The Big Guy" or something, that's basically a suit that gives you more resistance and more health. The suit replaced the minigun, but it was very worth it

[@walnut6684]

Imagine adding some movement speed buff, that would be neat

[@Manglet762]

@@walnut6684 I'm sure it's a run dry saying at this point, but I THINK that'd make Heavy OP, only way it'd probably be balanced is if it was a buff on Kill, a speed buff that was barely there, or a significant buff that drains health like the Eviction and GRU which may just make it worthless to use.

[@comradpingu5745]

Yeah, demo has boots to be beefy, soldier has boots to have better air control or less self damage. Heavy could have some kind of running boots that makes him go at demo-ish speed but caps him at 250 (or 225 at least) health. Could be a fun change of past no? Side note : it could indirectly buff the use of Buffalo steak and warriors spirit to

[@Eye_Of_Odin978]

I unironically think the Heavy would benefit greatly from buffing Fat Scout play via allowing food items to be placed in the Primary slot instead. Think about it, a Heavy that sacrifices huge DPS for overall reliability with a shotgun AND can still dispense Sandviches or eat them himself would be baller af and wouldn't really be OP because, again, ya have to give up the big gun. So basically you trade defensive strength for more flexible pushes and counter-ambush options. This wouldn't have a runaway train effect on balance either because the shotguns are held back by reload times which would make this new "Sandvich Fat Scout" style balanced by that alone, not to mention the shotties require you to be close to deal huge damage. Then again, I think Heavy could benefit from at least one or two more exclusive shotguns, especially if we were to allow this Sandvich Fat Scout loadout. I think a long double-barrel (not the FaN) that does huge damage at slightly longer ranges but has to reload every two shots would be good, and maybe a SPAS-12 type shotty with some kind of gimmick or something might also work.

[@bronzetrophy2171]

I have a strange shotgun I only use for heavy. I used to only use it for fat scout, but when I saw FishStickOnAStick's Brass Beast video, I now use it with the brass beast and natasha. The shotguns both balance out the slow rev miniguns and lets the heavy not get caught out in a 1v1 while finding a good position to switch back to the minigun.

[@OneBadBadger]

I think that old man going "I have a shotgun! Hehe, lemme' prove it." is the absolute best part of the video lmfao

[@alexanderraz.]

Thats Hickok45 for You homie

[@derpydewott4741]

I always prefer to use the shotgun whenever I play heavy, it is just more useful for me. Also regarding healing teammates with sandwich, I recently had burning demo come up to me asking me for a sandwich, I showed him my shotgun, and he said "I respect it" before burning to death.

[@giahuynguyenkim6389]

That is so funny

[@EripmavsDYraid]

As a heavy main, I actually find it fun to go with a shotgun heavy loadout once in a while. All my teammates ask what the hell I'm doing when I go shotgun heavy, or even vote kick me entirely, but sometimes I actually carry a game when I do it.

[@DukeOfGumby]

I still love the gloves of running urgently, even with fat Heavy. You can keep your momentum when you switch weapons mid-air, which I think is an underrated talking point. Whenever I know I'm in a bad situation I usually just take them out and run in every direction to dodge bullets. Just a few days ago I outmaneuvered a scout. He missed every shot then kill-binded because he couldn't keep up with my strafes.

[@johannesneumayer6041]

One loadout I find completely underrated is the Tomislav with the Panic attack. These two allow you to switch weapons much faster and the tighter spread of the Tomislav makes up for the Panic attacks poor range.

[@elgatochurro]

Heavy without a shotgun is a sitting duck for explosives, snipers, and spies With one, you can DODGE

[@purplehaze2358]

The way you described the quintessential heavy loadout as "tamislav + sandvich + fists of steel" greatly offended me as an avid second banana enjoyer.

[@hoarsebard]

I find heavy kind of exciting tbh. It's the experience of being both strong and weak at once. Anyone who comes after you directly is gonna get shredded, but a single sniper or spy is gonna slap your ass just as hard. There's hidden nuance to heavy, and I feel you covered a lot of it with this video regarding the shotguns.

[@nsprut]

12:42 - this guy can't extinguish his dudes, you can't heal him. Everything is fair

[@marcopolo8584]

Shotascha sounds like a good combo, being able to pop into fat scout mode when the natascha is just too slow seems like a great way to make the natascha even more evil and oppressive.

[@haze3880]

the last few days I've been playing shotgun-only heavy, just for the laughs. and then I start to think it's actually pretty good, maybe I should seriously combine this with minigun usage. and then like magic I ran into this video. there's so many situations where heavy's shotgun is the perfect tool for the job, and I never noticed these moments because I only ever had the sandvich equipped. only after using the shotgun for a little while, I could see the opportunities I had missed. At the very least it's worth trying this out, just to think more flexibly about how Heavy can be played!

[@SGT_Squid_Dog]

If heavies learn how to use the shotgun, then I won't be able to fish them to death while screaming *SALAD*

[@Wet_Deer]

I love using the family business with the brass beast to become the ultimate man. You basically become the engineer and his sentry

[@SourceGameEnjoyer]

8:31 Ayo what is going on here?

[@the_potato2290]

I was asking the same thing…

[@goldngamer1365]

Scout do be pourin' some Mad Milk

[@JackpotJack]

4chan rainbow dash incident

[@bluestar3144]

I decided to try the fat scout style, and i must say i was doing pretty well. It was fun and effective. I even renamed a tomislav and a family business into the deal-maker and deal-breaker. A lovly duo.

[@XxguaxinimxX.]

11:09 - I was *NOT* excpecting Calamity Music *HERE* of all places.... Like guaranteed!

[@Square_Rabbit]

I like using the shotgun, but always felt bad if there was a Medic on my team since he's be expecting a sandvich. Thank you for giving me the affirmation I needed to gaslight, gatekeep, and girlboss my way through life. Also, one thing that occurred to me while watching the video - the miniguns were all given a nerf in Love and War where you need to stay spun up for a second before getting your full damage and accuracy. So while the spin-up speed was increased, that nerf kinda works to negates that. I have no idea if the shotgun would outdamage the 50% damage minigun fire, but that could still be another reason to bring a shotgun with you for unexpected encounters.

[@Liger_Soba]

14:16 On the bright side, at least he'll be able to break out soon 💀

[@the_potato2290]

Snoipeh put ya d away snoipeh

[@hobbespremium8762]

Finally, someone that understands me I don't know why the shotgun is so slept on, I've always used the family business in most of my loadouts

[@momto2bs]

8:07 oh my god that scream!!

[@yocats9974]

12:42 "Think of all the poor faces you'll be disappointing by foregoing packing your lunch in favor of packing heat" That's such a good line, that's genius 🤣

[@danielsurvivor1372]

3:59 While he was slower, he was also stronger a bit, he used to do full minigun dmg from the moment you shoot while now all miniguns don't do full dmg until 1 sec of shooting passes

[@missingindy]

I think the reason the sandvich and banana are so highly regarded is because it provides immediate healing, so if you’re low health you won’t have to run to a healthpack if you didn’t have a dispenser or medic, and healthpacks are usually away from the action and with Heavy’s slow speed you would miss out on helping your team if you took too long, this is also why Medics and Dispensers are good for heavy and all other classes: they provide healing at the frontlines so you won’t have to run to a healthpack to get your health back

[@stikbotskepribehy6674]

5:51 Meet The Scout bloopers

[@D-S-G.]

Ive played heavy with shotgun for a while now, and whipping out a stock shotgun is so satisfying to snap a scout out of the air or suddenly rush forward when the opponent thinks I would unrev and retreat

[@piotrkwiatkowski3029]

7:38 we did this but demo was doing the pooped deck taunt and heavy did the push ups to his balls lol

[@Mr.Freeze420]

I started using the family business often now and it’s a lot of fun. The different war painted ones, strange version and my team is respecting me for using it.

[@TheeOK1]

2:41 lord. . . Forgive me for what I'm boutta do.

[@SilveeYT]

I'm confused 😅 What do you mean?

[@ishxxl]

@@SilveeYT he going to put his milk into there

[@Nuggie985]

@@ishxxl You found: Mad Milk

[@Muffin-007]

@@Nuggie985 💀💀💀

[@Bluealien-jv1fz]

More than just the brony and the jar incident 💀💀

[@RicardoMenson]

tf2 community be like: can you imagine the world where you don't have to choose between your breakfast or a bottle of pee and a secondary weapon? NO, THAT'S TOO DARING, SUCH PLACE DOES NOT EXIST! Meanwhile literally every single other game:

[@Priincipal-pe9mp]

I agree, Heavy's Shotguns aren't bad, definitely underrated

[@adam8853]

It's not only bad, but trash, sandvich is much better, and minigun is 100% better than it

[@Priincipal-pe9mp]

@@adam8853 someone didn't watch the video apparently...

[@calamaribowl8683]

"And if you wanna get spicy..." Me: banana! "Gru"

[@ish-kaiben]

7:20 GOD DAMN that Solder ragdoll.

[@_l0unce_]

I feel like the shotgun in heavies load out was purposefully put there because it suits his character. We only see heavy in the official valve clips use the mini gun in certain situations that mostly involve crowd control. Heavy also would most likely only use the mini gun when it’s practical because of how expensive it is to fire it for just 12 seconds.

[@tankthomus]

I have used the shotgun with the Minigun for many years and I have a mostly positive relationship with it. It is a ton of fun to use, and my minigun of choice is the Hou Long Heater which it pairs really well with. When you have a decent medic up your butt all the time, the shotgun is pretty much a direct upgrade from the sandwich. My only gripe with the shotgun is that on pubs finding a good medic is usually quiet hard and that self-healing really comes in handy when there isn't a lot of health packs around the map. I know the shotgun isn't as good as the sandwich, but the mobility and bullet blasting fun of the shotgun makes it my first pick.

[@sonicmeerkat]

fat scouting is always a good time, but when you use it with the slow charge up miniguns, holy shit the damage you can deal is nutty.

[@MeAMoose]

0:03 I have never, in my 2 thousand hours, heard heavy described as boring.

[@NotLordAsshat]

That's wild I've heard it a lot lol

[@WoodlandTrotter]

Very good video! I think some people sort of forget that a shotgun is a GUN. It sort of comes with the added bonus of nobody expecting you to ever use it, unlike the other classes with the shotgun. I find it to be pretty damn good in MVM, since you can just pick up health on kill for your minigun to pretty much completely remove the need for a lunchbox item, and it's helped me when I run out of ammo or if a sneaky bot manages to get past me. I can chase them with the gru and take them down quickly since I won't have to rev up.

[@SourceGameEnjoyer]

12:51🤨🤨🤨🤨

[@hielkevanschaik6523]

This is a really well made video, holy cow! Love that Delfy reference as well

[@tobiaspetersson6446]

0:25 hood struggle meal

[@gooblinzgoob]

The shotgun allows the heavy to be much more aggressive and is genuinely great with other alternate miniguns such as the huo long heater and brass beast. It also can give the heavy a better fighting chance when a sniper or spy is around.

[@mayochup]

7:56 best part of the video

[@perochialjoe]

Heavy: Such a horribly limited (and I'd argue horribly designed) class that a shotgun for his secondary is the extent of his build diversity.

[@KeyboardKlutz_0]

Never underestimate a fat scout who knows how to shoot.

[@WaterBisquitte]

5:40 okay hold up we all know Heavy is caked beyond belief

[@goldngamer1365]

I knew he had cake but i didn't know he had the whole cakery!!

[@admiralAlfonso9001]

I like fat scout because of how much more flexible it can be

[@typhoon1575]

The best suggestion to fis heavy I've ever seen is to make the lunchbox items a dedicated slot 4. Make it so that the sandwich and others do not compete with the shotgun for secondary slots

[@admiralAlfonso9001]

The eviction notice is his best melee

[@Small_child_punter]

Nope.

[@admiralAlfonso9001]

@@Small_child_punter oh sorry I didn’t know

[@Caseyuptobat]

Broke: Heavy/Pyro are braindead classes Woke: Pyro is a flank class Bespoke: *Heavy* is a flank class

[@jakobthe]

i never even _live_ long enough to use the sandvich

[@patrickholt8782]

I’ve heard someone say “heavy needs a 4th slot.” I’m sure the big guy can carry a shotgun and a sanvich.

[@triPixel]

13:14 lmaooooooooo

[@greenoftreeblackofblue6625]

[Slander] Thewhat explaining why the heavy shotgun is good: kid talking into brick wall.

[@kirinasthebestgod4552]

8:50 do only i hear it as lazypurple voice from his vid? xd

[@trigger796]

Idk why but the part where you said “I really don’t want to offend all 5 heavy mains” fucking killed me lol

[@asegamer7421]

I actually prefer the family business over sandvich just cause I can finish enemies faster first a bit minigun then family business great combo!

[@didsomeoneaskforanegg2168]

that is incredibly pointless and suboptimal. granted, it's tf2, so you can do whatever fun stuff you want, but don't act like that isn't strictly worse in every situation than just using the minigun

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

@@didsomeoneaskforanegg2168 i hate how bad the shotguns are and how its not possible to make it good

[@asegamer7421]

@@didsomeoneaskforanegg2168 It isn't that bad as you said its tf2 its not meta but for maps with plenty of health kits it kinda works and is really fun

[@drq_seed]

Miniguns take a second it rev up BUT they have a 50% dmg penalty FOR 1 SECOND AFTER REVING UP

[@SamuelTrademarked]

@@didsomeoneaskforanegg2168 who cares, this is a 12v12 game

[@bigdapramirez6157]

Shotgun is perfect security when you're making your way to the objective and an enemy ambushes you. That way you don't have to worry about not having your minigun ready

[@alternativewalls4988]

So, what animations mod do you use (specifically at 2:54)?

[@SilveeYT]

A beautiful mod, that's what~

[@thetexanbuzzsaw3145]

Pure shock tactics; something heavy excels at.

[@ulaaks3334]

10:22 the top left hand corner

[@goldngamer1365]

Ayo?

[@ironprince72]

my favorite image on the internet

[@greyh456]

I've been playing heavy like this for a while now after meming as fatscout and then realizing shotgun heavy is pretty good, especially when using it in tandem with the minigun at the right time and place. Glad to see the power of heavy's shotgun be recognized.

[@Blastrock64]

The Eviction Notice also works good with the shotguns since the speed boost on hit lasts enough to deal a few shots while really fast and the 15% faster speed while active can work good for your movement heavy playstyle.

[@Qrani]

A while back I bought a Collector's Specialized Killstreak Family Business as a joke for playing fat scout, but every time I play heavy normally I find myself using it because it's so nice to have and definitely a lot more fun

[@supermudkipz]

A big part of playing Heavy is gamesense and knowing where to go and where to hold horn the fort. I dare say that the Shotgun is the best weapon for Heavies that suck at both of those things, aka are bad at Heavy.

[@luca-tomasdanilet3484]

11:11 i like how "tale of a cruel world" plays when he start explaining why shotguns where overlooked lol

[@DynoSkrimisher]

2:03 What was that sandvich like...? Go into detail, because that looked good.

[@monmagog]

14:35 hey look! It’s brickiest brick’s favorite thing to do!

[@thatwolfdude018]

TheWhat: the year is 2007 and everything sucks! Micheal Rosen: now stop…right…there

[@stefannilsson2406]

3:45 2007 Is also the year Manowar released Gods Of War, Sabaton released Metalizer, Dark Tranquillity released Fiction, FFDP released The Way Of The Fist, Arch Enemy released Rise Of The Tyrant and there were many more good albums not mentioned here. Good year for the metal scene.

[@justsaynonotnowihaveyoutub6739]

Sandvich heavy: a support class and cares about his team like medic but slower in a way Shotgun heavy: some call it fat scout some call it stupid but what I call it is *OL RELIABLE*

[@smangle7328]

Haven't seen anyone else mention this but you have one of my favorite warpaint-weapon combinations in the game. The "Totally Boned Family Business"

[@Thebestbobbyboy]

“ Bad, takes guy” you put a lot of good/underrated weapons underneath the sun and a stick

[@chiefr9627]

It's amazing that you uploaded this when you did, just last night I was playing Skial and a heavy on my team was running a shotgun. I decided to run it too for the meme, and probably had some of the longest survival time as a heavy ever.

[@sharinganmoon]

This video was really well written and edited. Enjoyed every aspect of it. 10/10