Why I Quit Crossfit- PED usage, Injuries, Mental health and Andrew Hiller (MY STORY)

[@jesusLopez-om6jk]

Agree. Plain and simple I can definitely share with most of your experience with CrossFit. Well said.

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@jesusLopez-om6jk I really appreciate your feedback and taking the time to watch. Thank you so much ♥️♥️

[@KippingItRealcrossfit]

sent here by the 🦇.... good video. thanks for sharing

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@KippingItRealcrossfit this seriously means so much to me. Thank you ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️

[@newfiebullet1984]

Thank you so much for that honest account of your experiences Lee. This is top quality content that everyone needs to hear. I come from a background on Team Canada as both a Weightlifter and afterwards a Powerlifter, having good success in both. After some injuries in Powerlifting, and not wanting to only do strength work for the rest of my life, I decided to branch out and expand into various forms of training, including Running, Calisthenics, Muay Thai, etc. I joined the military in 2020 after coaching for over 15 years, and continued to pursue a somewhat "hybrid" style of training. As time went on, I got weaker and weaker while my running and Calisthenics improved, but only to a certain point. You hit the nail on the head regarding genetics for cardio and how our confidence really takes a hit when the thing we're good at goes down but we still "suck" at the thing we are working on (I went from a 305kg squat and 230kg for 10 reps to not even hitting 230kg for a single, for example). I've been chronically overtrained now for years and destroyed my hormones, incurred more injuries that are more severe than when I lifted my heaviest, and generally have struggled hard for motivation to train other than fear of becoming unfit and weak. I would love to chat more about how you're training nowadays to get insight as to how you came out the other end of this Crossfit journey.

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@newfiebullet1984 thank you so much for taking the time to watch and comment. Sounds like we've actually had quite similar experiences in terms of pushing the body both mentally and physically. And definitely keen to chat about everything. The fact we've had such similar experiences and training methods seems like e could learn a lot of each other.

[@snusnu39]

I enjoy listening to you talk about your life experience training.

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@snusnu39 this seriously means so much to me. Thank you so much for taking the time to watch

[@snusnu39]

@@LeeKeyrouz Thank you for sharing.

[@billraymond9475]

Thank you for sharing Lee. You highlighted problems that are prevalent in nearly all competitive sports. IMO, efforts to make competitive sports like crossfit "clean" would do better to accept that it's impossible to enforce 100% natural and instead invest in research and standards for "safe use" of PEDs that aid with improved health (mental and physical) and recovery outside of competition and "clean" competitions. I suspect you'll receive many more kudos for your openness and honesty versus criticism for your opinions and admitted PED use.

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@billraymond9475 thank you so much for taking the time to watch and comment. And I completely agree. I think the moment you take that step to be to level competitive you walk into the chances over over training and struggle to recover. And ped usage is so prevalent in top level competitive sports. And it's sad that people don't believe this is the case

[@smet145]

Thanks for your story, Lee, so interesting to hear 👍 Olympic weightlifting has always scared me - too much technique required and I'm not flexible enough for overhead squats. Powerlifting is so much simpler. I prefer to keep my strength training and cardio separate. Hiking and biking for cardio, powerlifting for strength. Plus the hiking and biking get me out of the gym to see some countryside.

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@smet145 Olympic lifting is definitely the hardest thing I've ever encountered. So much technique required and the more you do it. The more involved you realise it actually is. I totally agree about powerlifting and cycling outdoors. I really love cycling now.. As long as its outdoors 😅😂

[@petermason4764]

CrossFit is a fitness program, it works! Most games athletes are no longer crossfiting.

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@petermason4764 absolutely true. Crossfit in the terms of just moving and fitness is great. On a competitive level I feel like there are a lot of issues they still need to work out. And I realise it's still a relatively new sports so it's still finding its feet. But that shouldn't be at the expense of the athletes

[@travishimebaugh8381]

Existence is quite a roller coaster

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@travishimebaugh8381 it really is and we learn so much

[@marikohowlett1105]

Love the T-Shirt and topic ^-^

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@marikohowlett1105 yaaaay, seriously means so much to me ❤️❤️❤️

[@dicecreamman2003]

i do stop to listen to your stories. you motivate me with the realness you bring

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@dicecreamman2003 you have no idea how much these means to me. Thank you so much taking time out of your day. It means the world to me

[@BR33L]

PEDs aren’t needed and not ever games level athlete is on them, but they are prevalent. A good friend of mine made it to the games this year and he is 100% ped free and it’s obvious.

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@BR33L I know of 2 athletes who have made it to the games natural. So, yes, I agree. You can do it. Do I believe their are a lot of athletes who are on some form of recovery aid. Absolutely.

[@DrTopLiftDPT]

Technical movements like Olympic lifts shouldn’t be done for time and reps it’s dangerous

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@DrTopLiftDPT I completely agree. And it develops a different movement pattern

[@brooklynwillis1604]

Says who

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@brooklynwillis1604 this is my personal opinion. I can't speak for the original commenter. High rep Olympic lifts and heavy Olympic lifts are 2 completely different movements. Just like kipping pull ups and a strict pull up are different. The high volume Olympic lift performed in Crossfit is designed for speed and reps. You often see athletes pull the bar, hip it, cut the extension or not even make hip contact, like a non contact snatch, in order to perform the reps quicker. They may perform no foot or have a wider hand position or bouncing it off their thighs, etc. All of these cheat elements to create faster reps are counter intuitive to that of doing a heavy clean or snatch. You almost never see an Olympic lifter perform touch and go reps because the most technical part of the lift is from the floor to the knee and where most errors happen. When you take the initial set up out of the equation because you're bouncing the bar off the floor the set up and line of the bar completely changes. Olympic lifts might do complexes like multiple hangs etc but don't do touch and go for a reason. Just my thought. And if you disagree I would love to hear what your input is ♥️♥️🙏🙏🙏

[@brooklynwillis1604]

You say you completely agree with the above poster. That “Olympic weightlifting done for time and reps is dangerous” . It’s not dangerous, what is dangerous is using your ego to lift heavier than you’re able. The snake method of snatch’s you speak of is rarely used and elite crossFitters use it with 95/75 lbs which isn’t even 50% of their max lifts. Great example is grettle, 10 rds 3 clean and jerk and 3 burpee on mens weight is 135 stimulus of the workout is to go fast as possible, I scale to 115 or 95 depending on the day to go sub 330.

[@brooklynwillis1604]

There’s one instance of a CrossFit getting hurt lifting that wasn’t ego and it was a bad setup, he had a rack behind him barbel bounced off the rack and paralyzed him. So since the 90s ego excluded 1 person has been injured that wasn’t ego with a barbel

[@hockeysnipers8316]

Its painfully obvious you dont understand what the word "natural" means. If you take PED's, you are forever from that day forward never considered "natural". The mental gymnastics to convince yourself you're "natural" is mind-blowing.

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@hockeysnipers8316 I don't believe I am natural. I am simply stating I would clear a gear test signifying I am natural. There is a difference.

[@bojanrokvic2742]

I think it is very wrong to do strength exercises as endurance exercises, especially if the form is not good, and most of the time it is not good because the competitors try to do as many repetitions as possible in as little time as possible. I certainly respect their abilities, but in the end it very often turns out to be very dangerous for health.

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@bojanrokvic2742 this is very true. I've seen injuries from heavy deadlifts been done for reps under time combined with things like burpees and numbers extremely high that can often end in injury. And even if you're strong enough, if you're doing 150 reps like when they do 10 to 1 and back to 10 this can often end up in incorrect form and so many risk factors

[@Chrisbiesterfeld]

I’m so glad you quit

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@Chrisbiesterfeld honestly just didn't make me happy anymore. And that realization was huge

[@the_derpler]

Pro crossfit is insane. People destroying their bodies to show who is the best at exercise. It's even more juicy than pro BJJ. Stay safe!

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@the_derpler I learnt a lot but definitely not willing to get back into it. Love your comment about it bring juicy 😂😂😂

[@jo3yhoang]

There was a masters comp in Australia recently that sent a whole bunch of entrants into rabdo. The organisers who are probably on peds not realising there are people natural entering too. Its absolutely irresponsible programming.

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@jo3yhoang that is one thing I have definitely noticed. The human body can only recover so much. Even programming and training for natural compared to ped using athletes is different. There is no way to fully recover from such extreme levels of varied intensity 🙈🙈🙈

[@miroslavnedeljkovic3239]

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[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@miroslavnedeljkovic3239 ❤️❤️🙏🙏

[@felipe367]

aapprently this video is not available according to KZbin ?

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@felipe367 that's odd. Does it still play? It still plays when I check🙈

[@felipe367]

@@LeeKeyrouz nope no play ability just a black screen with that message

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@felipe367 I'm not too sure why as I've tried it on few profiles and it plays on all of them. I haven't received any notification a saying its been taken down

[@felipe367]

@@LeeKeyrouz could be something to do with location. KZbin can be pole smokin buttholes at times

[@DT-qv7yi]

So you admitted to using PEDs in 2019 but you signed up for the open in 2021-2023. Hiller got a four year ban for admitted use.

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@DT-qv7yi and you believe for a second that people who are banned don't use in their off season.

[@DT-qv7yi]

@@LeeKeyrouz did you just pull the "Well everyone is doing it" justification card?

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@DT-qv7yi if they had tested me at any point during the time I competed in crossfit. I would have come up clean. They banned hiller as a statement. That's what crossfit do. They take their token sacrafice to show the sport is clean. And yes, I do believe the vast majority of athletes at the games level are taking.

[@DT-qv7yi]

@LeeKeyrouz so you were clean during the games.... but would you say you had to become enhanced to get to that level?

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@DT-qv7yi no, because the one thing that I was good at and which I could have gained an advantage of from gear, strength, I intentionally decreased to that of my natural levels in order to get my fitness up. I know my strength percentages pre gear.

[@patricktrinidad4282]

Yeah I competed 2 times and got injured in my last 😢😢😢

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@patricktrinidad4282 😭😭😭 I'm so sorry to hear that. It really is a high risk sport

[@patricktrinidad4282]

@@LeeKeyrouz yeah but that’s a risk we are taking jajaja and I’m glad that I won the first jajaja

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@patricktrinidad4282 😂😂😂 too true

[@yuriyandreyev4842]

🦇 🦇 🦇

[@username-kn3oh]

Most these top level crossfitters are on something even at the local level. If you believe otherwise you are completely delusional and just lying to yourself

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@username-kn3oh couldn't agree more!

[@kevinkeyrouz9987]

Hi Lee :)

[@LeeKeyrouz]

@@kevinkeyrouz9987 hi my favourite ❤️❤️❤️❤️