Why I SOLD my Santos Medium (and the Cartier I bought Instead)

[@chaoseus]

Cartier might not be the watch brand for you. You dont like the tank. You tried the Dumont and didnt really like it. Now you sold the Cartier Santos. When are you selling this watch?

[@MattSeesGray]

The modern medium Santos will always be my perfect watch, and I’m sad it’s not the same for you. To me, it’s the perfect combination of sportiness and dressy. If I want to wear it with a suit, I throw it on the leather strap it came with. If I want to wear it casually, I keep it on the bracelet. I wholeheartedly agree with the high polish bezel though. I feel that I have to be extremely careful with it, because it’s 1000% a scratch magnet.

[@kart182]

It just looks too shiny, too soft. I love the older galbees.

[@marcisbored]

feel like i'd get one if there was a version with a guilloche dial

[@cookiemonster974]

@@marcisbored my sentiment exactly! Current dial is too flat and unrefined. It needs a guilloche dial

[@aaronlee123456789]

dude is just trying to milk his waatches lol

[@BobLorrimer]

I just love the Curve of the sapphire lens. (I probably baby my medium two tone a shade too much.) On the blue black croc strap it is supremely elegant. I generally always give the gold bezel a gentle rub with a jewellers cloth after wearing it. I wear my watches in a loose rotation....my daily wearer is Grand Seiko quartz with a black dial...or a Swatch if i am playing golf!

[@paulojpcarvalho74]

I have chosen Santos 100 medium after a long search. And after 3 years wearing it, still love as the first time I have worn it! Fortunately it was the best choose for me.

[@jaym9500]

I too love my santos 2319 Galbee. My fav watch from my collection. Glad to see somebody else enjoy this watch as much as I do.

[@Babyj17]

“Tuition paid to the watch gods” is one of the best things ive ever heard 😂😂

[@WatchCrunchOfficial]

Hehe 😉

[@joshuajuarez3471]

Very much so tuition! Nice

[@prashphoto]

What a line 🎉

[@drdesign6886]

Each to their own. The one you sold looks better in almost every way to my eye.

[@dmoneydmoney6050]

This guys entire watch channel is, smaller, smaller, smaller is better. That’s the only reasoning that goes on ever

[@Sojourner88]

It’s nice, but I think the tank looks a lot more classy, santos is more flashy. Depends on the style you’re going for.

[@pandabear1576]

@@Sojourner88I feel like you only think the Santos is flashy because he’s bigger in case size and fully metallic

[@Sojourner88]

@@pandabear1576 It wears large, but the bezel is too big and shiny for me. A massive scratch magnet. The watch being made of metal isn’t an issue, lol

[@dramdude9502]

I bought a Santos medium just over a month ago to commemorate a new job and I am very happy with it.

[@joyLoveC]

Congrats - on the new job AND the watch!🎉

[@ZeroCaloriePizza]

Great video, Max! I really appreciated how you talked about the realities of selling watches and how its usually at a loss. I think alot of average consumers (like myself) get caught up watching content creators like yourself rotate your collection and think that you’re somehow profiting or breaking even when you sell but in reality even for creators like yourself with such a large network, you find that you often sell at a loss, which is fine but an important reality of the hobby. Thanks for being transparent!

[@sifu61]

Have had the santos large and medium. Going back to the medium. I have a 7.5 inch wrist. just needed a no date. I think both of your choices looked great on you. It's all about the personal preference.

[@WatchCrunchOfficial]

Yes, definitely don't need the date for me 👍

[@tyarnold4088]

Very true Sir. Good point.,

[@Casa1000]

It suits you, Max. I have the 1564 quartz version of the same watch without the guilloche dial. 29mm is perfect for this style and shape of watch, anything bigger is disproportionate in my opinion, perfect for my 6.75’ wrist. It’s such an underrated watch, as much as I love the Carree (will buy one at some point), the Galbee is the perfect transition into modern Cartier without forgetting its roots, it’s sleek, simple, iconic, a masterstroke in industrial design. And in quartz form, can be had for £2k. To any gentleman out there not able to comprehend a 29mm watch… and I was one of them… please please give this one a go, enjoy it and don’t feel diminished by it… it’s classy as hell. Now off to find one in solid gold 😅

[@MrSaadmubarak]

I purchased the Santos medium a few years back, and feel it's damn near perfect every time i wear it.... Having said that, the watch journey is different for each and every one of us, and with time and purchases, we tend to hone in on the right "fit" for us individually. I am at a point I rarely buy a watch that I fall out of love now, almost 20 years into the hobby. Thanks for another great video.

[@lexgrrez]

Love the older Santos models. The 90s Santos are some of my favorites. I have a 1997 two toned with a stainless steel dial with gold inlays. I’d never give it up for the newer models.

[@tizombie]

I bought a Tank XL as a Christmas present to myself. It makes me happy to just look at 😄

[@JAy275W]

i walk into every cartier i see trying on the santos large trying to convince myself this is the next watch i want, but like you im starting to realize it just isn't the right piece for me. I can relate a lot

[@WatchCrunchOfficial]

I hope you didn't blow as much money as me learning this 😅

[@dannysimenauer5745]

I feel the same. The 35mm seems too small and the 40mm seems too large. Love to see a 38mm.

[@jaym9500]

Love my Santos 2319 gold and silver color way. Glad you’re enjoying yours as well.

[@JamesDuncan1]

I currently only own stainless steel watches with bracelets. The Santos Dumont would be a great addition

[@kinnierlastimosa2737]

I love the Santos Galbee medium. For years, I have seen the Santos medium in lots of best-of and one-watch collection lists. And I have kind of pretended that my watch was on those lists even though I have the Galbee (since 2011). I’m glad that you discovered it to be your favorite too.

[@javiercandia3823]

I sold my Santos large and I got myself a Panerai Luminor quaranta, very happy!

[@WatchCrunchOfficial]

Haha 180 👌

[@robertostefanowicz9749]

Weird to be honest

[@roybatty6368]

oh dear

[@MuiOlk]

I like the watch I got from amzwatch. That rubber strap combo looks really cool! Been wearing it since last year and love every minute of it.

[@irx903]

I have the santos medium. Love it, keeping it. Buy some cape cod polishing clothes.

[@stephenglennan9963]

I have a large two tone Santos. I purchased it two years ago and love it!

[@WatchCrunchOfficial]

Love that one!

[@rafaeloliva6425]

Same here, I picked up a 2 Tone and a stainless one, both in the large.

[@aaronmauer7225]

I am actually wearing the santos large right now. Part of what I like so much is swapping out straps which is so easy. Although if you get official ones it is super expensive

[@briankenny6883]

Max,…I enjoyed hearing about your experience with Cartier. You made laugh with your reflection on paying “tuition to the watch gods”. Great stuff. I had an easier journey with the brand. After wearing the same watch for 29 years (!!), I woke up and got started on building a modest collection. I have an 8”/20cm wrist, so my new watches have large to XL case dimensions. My first purchase was a Santos de Cartier large with a grey dial and black ADLC bezel. This versatile model hit the mark for me. The steel bracelet and alternate rubber strap combined with the ingenious quick switch system made this my go-to everyday watch. Notably, the ADLC black bezel addressed the “scratch magnet” issue. My second purchase was a Cartier Tank Must XL with a black leather strap for my dress watch. The XL is large enough for my XL wrist and provided the added benefits of an automatic movement, second hand and date window. My AD was kind enough to comp me a blue leather strap. I couldn’t be happier. The Santos and Tank cover so much ground within a collection. For my hard earned money, Cartier is unrivaled. It is a brand that combines form and function like no other. To experience Cartier is to understand “je ne sais quoi”. All the best!

[@WatchCrunchOfficial]

That's such a cool piece, really out there and cool. Thanks for sharing 😊

[@MadariDaniels]

Thank you for making high quality videos!Love amzwatch ’s watches

[@mk.h]

Guilloché ... learned a new word. 👍 👍 many thanks. Been forever wanting to know how to call this dial.

[@mkyhou1160]

I think you have to try Cartier’s on and see what feels right (if any). I have a wide flat wrist, the only one that looks good on me is the Americane. I’ll probably get one, one day.

[@juliusfr4008]

This video found me just at the right time. I was about to uy the normal cartier santos, but when i saw this video, i fell in love with the galbee. I looked up all the different styles of cartier santos watches and i have to admit, yes, youre right! the galbee is the most beautiful one of all. I also got my hands on one of them now too. I saved around 1300€ and got the better watch, just because of this video. Thanks a lot !!!!

[@samgrant83]

Good pick, I love square and rectangular watches and know just how much wrist presence they have, 29mm still comes off well-sized on most wrists, at 8mm, that's a such a great combination. The current Cartier XL's are just enormous. I'm still in the Tank Louis camp, the rare platinum ones with the ruby cabochon are so choice (and so darn expensive and hard to find).

[@cjsolarmusic]

I’m glad you’re paying the tuition and I’m reading your notes bc I’ve followed a handful of your regrets and rebuys with the 14060 and PAM177 lol great video as always 🤘🏻

[@b_altmann]

Very cool! I have the same - for the reasons you mentioned. Had to do a lot of research, there were several quartz models and also plain white dials, but I wanted the guilloché dial. The cabochon is also faceted - a nice detail for which one needs a loupe 😊 Tried the Santos Dumont XL recently and it’s a giant version of the very elegant Santos Dumont from the old days. Sadly the vintage gold version is £20k 😂

[@WatchCrunchOfficial]

*going to get my loupe

[@mdo5121]

I have the ADLC Cartier Santos...which has that sophisticated yet stealth looking appearance. it solved the problem of the obvious scratches which always drives me crazy

[@shafeeqhafiz4406]

I love mine too much!!

[@doridori-kj1]

i was also had a trouble which one to buy.. santos medium vs santos galbee lm. But after i watched your video, finally i could made a decision :D i bought just the same model you bought! Its so gorgeous... lovely... Thank you for your help

[@AgnesFarnum]

I just got into watch collecting. I've loved watches since I was young but I never had anyone teach me or bring deeper into the world. amzwatch brought closer to a community and hobby I always wanted to get into more and that is incredibly meaningful to me !

[@Culturalgazelle]

Your videos are just the best, Max. Along with Harrison Elmore, you’re my favorite watch KZbinrs

[@WatchCrunchOfficial]

Thank you so much 🙏😊

[@AmandaSchulte-s9d]

Yes, I have bought from amzwatch more than once. I even bought a new Omega Speedmaster which came with the fancy box and packaging. I am thrilled with all my purchases here. I would purchase from amzwatch again for sure.

[@BenMwatches]

Refining to perfection through trail of a specific line Best way to do it

[@AS-rv5gn]

Can I ask where you purchased your Galbee? I assume you can only get them used on the secondary market, but yours looks to be in amazing shape. Was it polished pre/post you buying it?

[@APere047]

. I have the Tank LC manual and the Santos Dumont Xl and I am currently looking for a vintage Santos. It just looks way cooler than the newer version.

[@hotsoup9050]

I also like the Santos Galbee more than the current iteration of the Santos, which is a bit too rounded for me. My favorite Santos is the grey dial version of the ref. 2319, which is a limited edition made for SIHH in 2002. That one has no chemin de fer or date window on the dial, making it quite unique.

[@wrenside]

I have the medium Santos and love it But I would consider moving it for the Galbee, (and I adore the wacky Calibre!) because yeah, the scratches is a legit worry when you're not made out of money. great video. p.s. how to move the Santos is the big question to reduce that tuition cost, haha.

[@walterzannoni]

I have the "fabulous triptych": Tank Large steel, Santos Dumont large steel and Pacha C steel. I love them all

[@jamied931]

Santos Large might be in my top 10 watches of all time

[@Pepesballs]

Same, love the blue dial

[@rafaeloliva6425]

Completely agree! I'm a fan. I have a tone and a stainless in my collection. I always found Cartier watches to be on the dainty side, but the new large iteration has changed my mind!

[@Khanh.Nguyen369]

Wow. Couldn’t agree more about the Galbee. I’ve been on the search for years. Would love to hear where you found yours.

[@WatchCrunchOfficial]

Tickingtimehomme on IG

[@davidr2802]

@@WatchCrunchOfficial Its why I don't do IG. I would be broke in 6 months!

[@kabirdas1976]

I think the newest iteration of the Santos is fantastic - but would be a must buy imo if they treated the bezel to discourage scratches and gave us a gioche dial

[@rafaeloliva6425]

Dude, the bezel scratches issue is easily handled with a polishing cloth. If you scratch a coated bezel you are screwed, because it can't be polished out.

[@hrwells9698]

Fell in love with cartier this year. (6.75 inch wrist) I bought both a Carree Two tone, and Galbee 2319 (bracelet amazingly seamless) . Love them, pure class, resembles what the Santos truly should be.

[@rishabh83]

Perfect choice with the Galbee. Do they make on in gold with the automatic movement and the same dial treatment?

[@MattH-l7l]

Hi! A few months later, how are you finding the Galbee? Would love to hear an update, hopefully no remorse this time Max? Loved your story getting to this one. 😊😊😊

[@ericmoss8344]

I never used to like the looks of the Santos watches.. but my tastes have changed and they have grown on me visually over the past 5 or so years. I have an 8" wrist and the square watches are hit/miss for me. I'd prefer a matt surround so as to avoid all the nicks and scratches if I were to settle on one. Plus the bracelet would have to have some sort of macro-adj... or it just get's uncomfortably tight or loose on my wrist. Happens w/all bracelets... and I always prefer a bracelet on my watches. Unless we're talking Panerai. The Santos is a cool watch and I hope you've found "the one" for you this go around!

[@RrR__RrR]

The older santos models are so much better when it comes to the watch's propotions compared to the modern one. I think you made the right choice there 👌

[@marker20]

Good choice going with the Galbee over the modern interpretation. I 100% agree with your decision here, which is why I also went for a Galbee. The thinner bezel, not jutting out towards the lugs, is such a better design over the modern version for the reasons you state. However, I have to knock you down for dissing my 2823 Galbee XL. Granted I love guilloche dials, but the date window on the XL is WAY more integrated and less obtrusive than the 3pm spot on the 29mm. The only time I like the 3pm date on a Santos is on the slate or burgundy dials.

[@Rudarama1]

Interesting reference to the Corvette’s tail-lights. I’m of the same opinion - on the Vette and many other car models that disrespect key design details in trying to re-create a loved classic.

[@weezkidtube]

I've always enjoyed your contents. I'm a bit lost with this one, though, i thought you hate the 'polished' look.

[@garyg5347]

i have both the cartier roaster and rolex stainless daytona and i been wearing the cartier more than the daytona. i like interchanging the straps of the roaster depending on the occasion. this to me is my everyday watch.

[@nkonig1]

Totally agree with your points about the current Medium. I did the same and chose a Galbee. I have the XL. Sorry but I like the date, it’s hidden for the most part but there when you want it. You made the right decision, that medium Galbee is beautiful.

[@natekim92]

Max, absolutely love the watch and hoping to get a matching pair for my wife and me. Where did you buy yours?

[@j5daniel182]

just buy a protector sticker for the bezel and change it whenever it starts to get ugly.

[@WatchClyde]

Great switch! I prefer the 29mm over the medium. It would have been nicer too if it was older with a creamy dial.

[@lukewalker1051]

I struggle with this brand to the point, I have never owned one. It doesn't resonate with me in particular because I have more a sporty persona than one that would be considered more formal to match this brand's aesthetic. But most can resonate with what you went through not really jelling with a particular watch. I prefer round dive and chronograph watches and don't own a dedicated 'dress' watch per se. I have in the past but as we age, we figure out what we like. Will add, one of the things about your channel I like is...I find it educational directed more to 'dress' side of the watch buying equation which speaks to your education and refinement as a man. Thanks for the great content Max. Cartier is a storied brand for sure and I have even considered the Santos but not enough to own one.

[@WatchCrunchOfficial]

Yeah often times I feel like I'm not fancy enough for this brand 😭

[@BartMan59]

Max, another GREAT vid - thank you. I'm sharing with you - I just picked up a vintage c.1990 Santos Carree "Or Massif" and I am absolutely IMBEDDED with wearing it.

[@joyLoveC]

Thanks for the eye candy! Have the Santos-Dumont (and 2 Tanks and a Panthere), and I’m now thinking about getting the Ballon Bleu and the Santos de Cartier as well (probably the green dial for variety). Huge fan of Cartier watches as you can see ☺️🩶

[@PaddyMcMe]

I picked up the Santos Large with the Blue PVD Bezel and blue dial. I think it has the best looking bracelet in the industry (though Moser's integrated Bracelet is very close) and whilst I understand the Blue PVD Bezel isn't the most classic variant the fact that I NEVER have to worry about, or worry at, scratches on the normal Santo's mirror finished bezel is what matters most to me. I just don't have the stomach for it, it's too cruel. And I LOVE the blue hue they picked, easily my favourite 'sports' watch.

[@dynamitetortilla7519]

I think the santos medium was the right choice from the beginning

[@typhilips8122]

Yeup. Bang on brother! Never doubted my Cartier Santos Galbée #2319 which is two tone gold + steel with guilloché sunburst dial. I searched almost 2 years to find it and probably paid too much. When it arrived, I think there may have been some "funny" business happening as photos did not look like the actual piece! Also I didn't have enough links to fit comfortably on my wrist. So, sent off to Cartier and they did a light refurb and authenticated all--with a hefty bill at the final. BUT, I received back a stunner which, of the many pieces I own, has pride of place in my watchbox and on my wrist. Often I do get more compliments on this, more than nearly any other of my timepieces. By the way, I also highly recommend and LOVE the newest design from SIHH '18 show with the Cartier DRIVE. So much so I own Silver dial and Black dial versions. Fit is very comfortable and they strike a great balance of industrial coolness, sportiness & elegance! And they seem to be outside the main obsessions for Cartier watch lovers, which is a plus for this guy. 🤗

[@cardinalj]

I have the Galbée XL and At 32mm it fits perfectly on my 7inch wrist. As far as the date window goes, I wish they didn't have a date window at all. To me it's a toss up of my date window in the corner cutting off the four or yours making the dial lopsided by losing the three altogether. There is a LE version out there with grey dial , full lume on numbers and no date but it goes for quite the premium.

[@WatchCrunchOfficial]

Yes I think they only made 2000 of the grey ones?

[@cardinalj]

@WatchCrunchOfficial That sounds around right and it is your watch size. Which is near perfect.

[@cardinalj]

​@WatchCrunchOfficial welp.... I happened to see your watch at my local jewelers and tried it on. I couldn't stop looking at my God awful date window on my 2823. A deal was made, and now I have the 2319. Beautiful watch . Love how thin it is. The 2823 was a bit slab sided on the non crown side, and with the date window, it had to go.

[@TrendyStone]

I love the large. It’s so thin it just fits great. One of my favorites.

[@Hartwell10]

I went to my AD looking at mostly Grand Seiko and Tudors. Ended up falling in love with a Cartier Santos medium. Now i cant get it off of my mind. Going to be purchasing one soon.

[@chateaubullion2560]

Had Cartier Tank, bought JLC Reverso and sold the Tank. Now I want Cartier again. Looking at medium Santos in green or white dial.

[@thedaveaftertomorrow]

The only issue I have with the Galbee is that it’s a bracelet or nothing - if you could swap in a leather or, shock horror, rubber strap occasionally it would be perfect

[@innoc3ntbystndr]

One of my holy grails! My trinity: omega speedmaster, Cartier santos( the one you have) and Rolex oyster perpetual ( no date ).

[@nreza94]

I resonate with this heavy. For me, it was a bit too curvy / oblique. I sold mine and got a tank frank that I love that sits on a leather strap that I love, and was also a fraction of a cost. however... if they ever bring back the same exact galbee you have with an updated movement and Better WR.... oh my gawd.

[@shuycg]

I like the Santos with a dlc bezel. Looks modern and sportier still.

[@khronokraze]

Smart change. It wears nice for a smaller watch than your last. I like the bezel is refrained to itself and doesn't try to blend to and through the bracelet. All the other points you mentioned are valid considerations as well.

[@WatchCrunchOfficial]

Thank you, finding the right cartier is exhausting 😅

[@stasmishchenko]

I tried and bought first a vintage Must De, and although I loved the idea of it - it felt too small and too "regular" for me. I agree with your feeling that it is too obvious choice :) So, I was looking towards vintage Santos as well. But then I got a chance to get for a very good price a previous model of Tank Francaise, automatic large version, Ref. 2302, and it is kind of the best of both worlds, IMO. It has the elegance of the Tank and a bit more industrial feel of the Santos, the same beautiful guilloche dial, and as a bonus, no polished scratch magnet bezel :) It sits like a dream on my 16,5 cm wrist. Really happy about it, love the piece! Maybe, I'll get a vintage Santos at some point, but only a two-tone, otherwise the two watches sit in exactly the same spot for me.

[@WatchCrunchOfficial]

Good things happen to good people 😁

[@AlbertDesigns-l2z]

I also recently sold my Santos. How weird is that I watch stalked it for a year. Then, I bought a Cartier Must despite having a YG Tank Solo. Maybe I just prefer the clean look of the minute-hour hands by the Tank design. I also wear my Orient Kamasu most of the time and the Rolex DJ 36 Mint Green.

[@hansmaristela7182]

Great review! This helped me decide on my next Cartier purchase. And thanks for correctly pronouncing “guilloché” (ghi-yo-shay).

[@turdferguson8624]

What size is your wrist? I absolutely love the look of this but fear it could be a bit small. My wrist is 6.75" and i tend to like 38-39mm case and 45-47mm lug to lug.

[@ph3n1xryse]

After watching this video and many videos on the Santos Medium, I have changed my mind about which one I want and I think the Galbèe is the one for me. I felt like the DuMont is too dressy and it doesn’t come with the bracelet and the large Santos are the only that comes with the date but too large….this Galbèe checks all the boxes for me.

[@ShalisaDume]

I'm genuinely impressed with how close amzwatch were able to replicate every aspect of this very very goofy looking classic watch.

[@mikek6478]

Congrats on finding the Santos of your liking. It's a personal preference, but I like Cartier watches (e.g., Tank) with leather strarps. Historically, high-end timepieces came in leather straps. By the way, are you going to Windup in San Francisco? Cheers

[@diefenbachfravert]

I just got into watch collecting. I've loved watches since I was young but I never had anyone teach me or bring deeper into the world. MaMaCoo brought closer to a community and hobby I always wanted to get into more and that is incredibly meaningful to me !

[@dscudder84]

Hi. Most 2319s I see fit a wrist 6.75in or smaller. Where can I buy additional links to fit my 7” wrist?

[@oscarramirez7856]

I love the video for we think very alike. Do you have any recommendations on websites that sale authentic Cartier watches? Regards

[@maejorgiessinger]

My experience with NKUWAN was fantastic. The watch arrived quickly and was exactly as described.

[@B2street]

Ive had this watch for 3 years. Its gone up in value a decent amount but i dont think i’d ever sell it. Its elegant and humbling.

[@cozmos21]

the 2319 looks perfect on you man. whats your wrist size?

[@marleymcdermott1065]

Great review & I totally agree with your choices.

[@robinfidler165]

I have a two tone Galbee quartz with amazing, almost paper like dial finish. Wouldn’t trade it for any other Cartier, except maybe two tone Carree with burgundy dial.

[@coestercortese]

When it comes to fine imitation watches, NKUWAN delivers. I've bought from them several times, and I've never been let down.

[@Richard-hn2mb]

Have exactly the same Galbee but also just got the blue new medium :) agree if you want white Galbee with that dial ist the best :)

[@derosa1989]

Cartier did the black lacquer edition of the Dumont with a mechanical movement in the large (31.4mm), they really need to add a version like that to the regular line. Personally, i much prefer straps on these to bracelets.

[@congenti]

I really do agree with your choice of Santos. I do not like the modern Santos at all, just like you say, the proportions are off. Great selection and watch!

[@shugertits]

You made the right decision. Well, after making the wrong one. I've been looking at the santos for my wife and have come to all the same conclusions.

[@RyanCedeno-d3i]

When it comes to fine imitation watches, amzwatch delivers. I've bought from them several times, and I've never been let down.

[@TyreAlmasri]

This is now my favourite watch channel on KZbin , such great content and done superbly, well done sir and I got my favourite watch at MAMACOO， it hasn’t left my wrist for weeks

[@TheTorontoGunner]

It's been 9 months since the video - would love to hear if you're still loving it.

[@T3720]

Hi. One question please. Is the clasp solid? I mean it never open up by itself when moving/swiming…..? Thanks in advance

[@ryana9783]

You made a good call. It’s kinda sad that I can’t think of a single modern watch that has more character and better proportions than the vintage counterpart. Hence the reason I went with an Omega Constellation 95 over the current version.

[@manishg214]

Ballon blu, chrono with black dial. The number of compliments I have received when i wear it is incredible ❤

[@yourlocalolylifter8389]

where do you recommend finding older model watches such as this with some guarantee that it is legit?

[@hslev]

I'm going back and forth trying to see the difference between the two watches and they seem almost similar to me.