Why I Stopped Keeping Arowana Fish...

Why I gave up on keeping Arowana fish as pets...
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[@LudwigVaanArthans]

The lids are NOT secure. If you can easily lift them with yoyr hands, they can easily smack themselves on them and burst out of your tank. Make sure the lids are either heavy and hard to move, or they have a lock system that prevents them from being opened I know this because I lost 1 silver arowana and I managed to actually see the second one burst through the lid and land on the floor because it saw a butterfly flying above the tank. You'd be surprised at how powerful their jumps are which is both amazing but also frustrating

[@stankyank]

This problem can be easily solved with placing a mesh net over any openings, my Jardini loves to jump when he see's bubbles at the top of the tank; they are easily spooked as well, heavy walking or quick movement.

[@opercula]

Excellent video. This is as clear a warning on the challenges of keeping an arowana as I've seen on the internet. You've probably saved many others from a great deal of heartache. Thank you,

[@dwsdarius]

Thank you!

[@sukhdavesingh9471]

Silver arowanas are good jumpers as compared to other Arowanas. Arowanas would jump if they are in shock or if they sense a bug at the top of the tank. I have an arowana as well. It jumps at times. However, I was advised to fully cover the top of the tank and put a heavy object eg: a rock or stone above the lid. My personal opinion is that you should continue keeping Arowanas. They are graceful and it’s very relaxing to watch them swimming. 😅

[@EliteGear1]

Put a brick on top. They are not going through the 3 inch space they are popping lid open when they jump Powerful fish that could of been saved by a brick. Better luck next tine.

[@harrisonhanson2998]

Nope! This fish clearly doesn’t want to be kept. I’ve been saying the same thing ever since I saw one jump from its tank.

[@Argalia1st]

Blud, all sipver arowanas jump. It doesn't matter how big or small the tanks are. THEY ARE GOING TO JUMP. ​@@harrisonhanson2998

[@onitsuwa4820]

Exactly

[@thevreikan]

Reminds me of my uncle's arowana that met its end by jumping out. There was a cover to the tank but it broke through the cover. Must have seen a lizard on the ceiling that caused it to jump since there are a lot of house geckos from where I am. The death of that arowana was unfortunately what ended his interest in fishkeeping.

[@NAEditz24]

Anything bad happened to ur uncle’s family after it’s death?

[@NAEditz24]

People told it,today my arowana dead

[@NAEditz24]

We are so worrying

[@WilliamVG]

Looks like he pushed the canopy up and went through directly up. Not through the smaller openings.

[@harryfairgray9639]

Yes how does he not know

[@wesselski1626]

Thank you so much for the advice I really appreciate it. I will be sure re-secure my tanks soon thank you for teaching us a lesson that we do not have to experience ourselves👊 ❤

[@RaulsAquaticsandReptiles]

Lesson well learned. I will definitely think twice now about getting an Arowana. Great video...Thanks for sharing 💪🏼

[@dwsdarius]

Thanks for watching!

[@moseskongi4746]

@@dwsdarius How did you cook up that arrowana? What is a good recipe for that bastard?

[@D-me-dream-smp]

Love listening to you talk so passionately about your aquarium that you obviously care a lot about. So important to do in depth research before buying any fish but even the so much to learn.

[@keikol.7110]

Yikes , I’ve heard they can jump with enough strength to actually make the lids go up and they land outside while the lid lands back where it was an you would never know that they pushed the lid up . I’m just bringing that up seeing that your one arowana was too wide to squeeze through that opening . I’m not a big fish person but thought I would share .

[@lauchlanstill6677]

Exactly 🤦‍♂️

[@dwsdarius]

Thats true

[@knrgaquatics8032]

My silver is about 30 inch and over the years and has survived 8 trips to the floor. I built straps out of hanger like metal bands that strap all the lids to the tank front and back. Hasnt been out in quite a few years since. The size of the tank doesn't matter if there's not a secure lid and no exit points.

[@Fishtory]

Thank you for sharing this story! it is so vital to our hobby

[@dwsdarius]

Thank you!

[@rsmfernando]

Yap my 6"guy Jumped too from a 120g tank it had gotten out of an off-center gap with no direct way out like climbed out just can't believe how it did that. now I have to start with Arowana proofing that tank. thanks for sharing your experiences in such detail. just love the layout of your Fish room will try to do something like this, it's on my bucket list.

[@mikeywalnuts7015]

I really enjoyed the style of this video with the moments where the screen goes black and you post the words you are saying in rapid style. I don’t know the name of the style but it was cool and different. On the fish keeping side, I’ve never kept arrowana but I’ve felt this same frustration with the killifish I’ve been dabbling in for the last 2 years. I keep the lid 100% secure but sometimes they can squeeze through just that tiny little gap where the airline just lifts the lid a fraction of an inch. I gave up on Golden wonder killis altogether because I couldn’t keep them in the aquarium

[@dwsdarius]

Thank you, it was my first time trying that type of video. I still need work though because the words are not aligned fully

[@andywoodscichlids2942]

Great video. This will help other fishkeep keepers think long and hard before purchasing one of these amazing fish on impulse. As always happy fishkeeping to you sir.

[@dwsdarius]

Thank you Andy, much appreciated

[@jackdawson4820]

Honestly, this has to be the best aquarium channel on KZbin - professionally edited, amazing multifaceted stock and setups, and a great, down-to-earth perspective from a seasoned and passionate hobbyist. I just didn't realize you were so young - being fresh out of highschool in 2013! Makes it all the more impressive - and those lost Arowanas weren't your fault; that's some escape-from-Alcatraz shit they're pulling.

[@dwsdarius]

Lol, thank you!

[@giovanni-ed7zq]

@@dwsdarius for a quick fix you can use the stick on plastic hooks and cheap bird netting to just stretch over openings and easy to remove.

[@lt2784]

My first one jumped out. After that bought another one and I tape down all the glass cover and tape down any opening. Now my aro is over a foot long. Hope it grows more and stay alive

[@Carolyncy]

Back in the early 1970's my cousin had a large silver arowana. He was big and beautiful and my cousins favorite fish. My cousin got him when the arowana was very small. My cousin knew that the arowana was a jumper and would find the smallest opening to jump out of. So the tank had a solid covering with only the necessary openings for filters and heater etc. But those openings also had stuffing around the small openings. So my cousin felt that his arowana was safe but he came home one day and the arowana was laying in the floor. The fish had hit the top closure so hard that it moved it over a few inches and the fish jumped out. So you can never be careful enough when it comes to arowana fish. My cousin was devastated, he loved that fish. Years later he still had the fish frozen in his freezer.

[@dwsdarius]

Wow, its incredible how arowana always find a way out

[@zafishguy5166]

I have seen arowana freak out in small tanks and its sad. They really need tanks over 1,000g long term but sure they will survive in less depending on tankmates.

[@Aedony]

Some fish just don't belong in tanks. These are 100% one of them. To live their best lives, they would need to be in something MUCH bigger with the stimulation that they'll get in the wild. I doubt that anything but maybe a zoo could provide that. I always feel sorry seeing them in tanks.

[@celgibson7219]

Thanks for this video

[@justdoinit2378]

Great video great fish. I’m definitely interested in getting a black arowana n this information is very useful.

[@Ourfrenchiegirls]

We’ve all made mistakes. You learn and move on. Thanks for sharing and being real about it 🙏🏻

[@dwsdarius]

Thank you!

[@Ourfrenchiegirls]

DWSDARIUS FISH TANKS Side Note ~ I just found a dead crispy Amano Shrimp in the entryway by my front door. All my tanks are at the back of the house and have lids... I know the two don’t compare... but we all lose livestock. I can’t believe he traveled

[@dwsdarius]

@@Ourfrenchiegirls Wow, that amazing and sad at the same time!

[@Ourfrenchiegirls]

DWSDARIUS FISH TANKS I know right....

[@HaYNFishKeeper]

Awesome video braddah D transparent I love it.... I’m kind of joansing so a Jardini 🤙🏽🐠🤙🏽

[@dwsdarius]

Thank you!

[@dmphins8349]

Great video and yes I did i haven't gotten Another one yet

[@romonecross2010]

Great video, i was going to get arrowana, but after listening im going to look for another fish to raise. Thanks for the warning.

[@missmermaid6249]

I totally agree!!! I love them and have had the same problem. They also “spook” easily and panic, then jump. I’ll never forget the sound of panic, glass tops getting hit, as I slept, possibly over a shadow or “something” that caused it. I had one in a 180 and at the time thought it was HUGE. But it’s not and even your HUGE tank isn’t enough. Again I love them, and as much as I want another, won’t for the same reason. They r very powerful, all muscle so the can launch themselves. 😕

[@dwsdarius]

Yes that was also something that I didn't like about them, mine had nips and body damage from jumping, hitting the lid or something, all because I moved to suddenly

[@annamals007]

For future reference: you must put heavy weights on the lids of the tank. Arowana can easily jump out of a tank even with lids. Weights are vital! I would put a decent weight on each corner of the lid and in the middle. Besides not having weights, your 2nd Arowana setup was perfect! Your other fish look amazing and massive respect for being able to say Arowana aren't right for you at this point. Being able to admit that shows that you aren't in it for ego but genuinely for the love of fish. Subbed!

[@dwsdarius]

Thank you

[@dax8753]

you have beautiful tanks

[@kimjong-il3630]

arowanas are really pretty strong as you said and could easily just bust out of lids that just easily flap open like the ones on your second set up.

[@rashaile4605]

I’ve only been in the hobby for a year and change. I have a 20” silver arowana in one of my 125 gallon tanks. I actually bought a sheet of acrylic and some wood, and cut openings that only my hoses fit through. He has jumped and hit the top several times because the Oscar is a butt hole fish, but that top is heavy and secured...... wish me luck. I’m gonna have to build another lid like it when I build my super monster tank.

[@FRamirez1A]

I have had a silver arowana for several years. I use a heavy top screen and no issues so far (when I say heavy I mean it. My 3 years old can't lift it). Thanks for the video!!!

[@Aquascape_Dreaming]

I'll tell you what I think of this video. Your tanks are amazing and your fish are beautiful and healthy. But in relation to the topic, I think you finally worked out what it would take to stop your arowana from jumping out of your tank, and then gave up. Those flimsy acrylic lids wouldn't help any, either. If you want to keep them still and want them to be able to jump as they do in the wild, why don't you build a surround that sits on top of the tank. You could make it 3 or 4 feet higher than the top of your tank, and then allow a bigger gap so that your fish will land back through the hole. You could stain the surround the same colour as your tank stand so that it looks like it's supposed to be part of the setup. If you secured an acrylic lid at the top with screws, he won't be able to push past it. You could make a door that opens from the top and hinges at the bottom so that you can get access to feed the fish. Have it go all the way across. Cut out slots for any hoses or cords. Finally, make it out of plywood so that if you need to remove it for maintenance, it won't be too heavy. Heck, if you did this, you probably wouldn't need any cover at the top of the tank, the one screwed into the top of the surround would be enough, and you would still prevent too much evaporation. I know it's a bit of work just to keep an arowana happy, but if I could afford to keep them and wanted them to be able to jump as they do in the wild, I'd definitely consider making something like this, just so that I could enjoy having these fish.

[@ivans6026]

My jardini jump last month It was weird because I was asleep and idk but something made me get up when I found him his skin was already dried up and coved with debri off the floor. I reacted quickly grab and held in inside the tank close to power head that i attached a airpump to blast him with air bubbles I'm lucky his still with me. I learned my lesson I quickly replaced my lid with a steal one.

[@SuperDoyle1980]

Good video, I just recently got a silver, now my brain is already working for his forever home tank lid, he's only about 6 inches but they grow fast..

[@Salibs]

Can you try and have another go but close up all the gaps?

[@MikeLovesLifeAquatics]

Great Video brotha!!

[@dwsdarius]

Thank you

[@lh8956]

Sometimes you just feel cursed keeping certain fish. I had a 13” male *Red Terror* jump out the tank the day before it was going to shipped to me. (Haven’t seen one that size for sale since.) I had a 9” male die due to Fed Ex negligence. And I’ve loss them growing them out for various reasons. I think a lot of us just have bad luck with certain fish. For me it’s Festae.

[@ronderfulaquariums2978]

I feel you champ as bad as I want one I’ve seen too many of you guys lose them to jumping so I haven’t purchased one for THAT REASON

[@santoshmb8784]

I have my rtg arowana kept securely using strong lid which is the only option to keep arowana safe. Keeping arowana is enterily different experience and I love it

[@Bearskimethod]

One of many reasons I follow your channel broski 💪🏻 true, informative and very relatable 👊🏻

[@dwsdarius]

Thank you!

[@VishalChauhan-cn2vw]

Beautiful tank...i wanna build one like this

[@dwsdarius]

Thanks!

[@AB-kv6qx]

Persistent 😊

[@gorillass09games51]

after my first one died i was 14 at the time i learned my lesson. there are no gaps on any of my tanks only A small hole to lift the lid, arowana are a lot different from other fish ive had to shove mine back in almost every water change i really know the struggle.

[@gorillass09games51]

try another jardini but get acrylic lids and cur the holes for your filter and heater so they fit snug. this should solve the arowana issue

[@gorillass09games51]

might need to weigh lids down the bigger he gets

[@gorillass09games51]

i did enjoy your video btw :)

[@gorillass09games51]

They tend to jump near the back

[@dwsdarius]

Thanks, I'm setting my attention on another fish that may have a similar affect as the arowana, the gar...just idea's though, I don't plan on getting one soon

[@PIPERON]

I had been keeping Golden Arowana Fish for the past 50 years and I had NONE jumping out of the tanks. I am sorry you had bad luck with the Arowana, this is really sorrowful for a hobbyist like you.

[@invaderjoshua6280]

Already decided if I’m getting an arowana it’s growing into a plywood pond/tank that has walls that extend over two feet from the water with a metal screen clipped down over the whole pond/tank.

[@cbcluckyii4042]

I've kept one, well my brother did. 10 years housed with albino Oscar, red devil and pleco all in a 150g! Towards the last year they were neglected as I was legal drinking age and bro was away for college. Oscar died 9th year, followed shortly by devil. Aro died cos my dad was trying to be helpful and cleaned the canopy with bleach and soap. He didn't rinse it thoroughly and that was the end of life for pleco and arowana. The Aro did jump frequently for first year due to Oscar picking on it but never out of the tank. You would just hear it smash into the glass canopy and splash back into the water. After that if I recall correctly it jumped out successfully once and the cat went crazy and my dad happened to be home and got it back into the tank. Lost a few scales and damaged eye. In hindsight it was cruel to keep in such a small tank but the husbandry for the majority of their life was very good.

[@majesticcichlids1630]

Sad but I totally understand, my dream fish is an Asian arowana. I would definitely like to see an arowana in your future videos when you figure out the housing situation. Great work 800 gallon looks phenomenal.

[@dwsdarius]

Thank you!

[@cheveburkinshaw860]

I keep a silver arowana in my 12 foot plywood tank . I had him jump once u was home so saved him . N now his lids are screwed down . There really hard to keep in .

[@dwsdarius]

Wow a 12ft, thats an awesome home for one

[@chhabidas5305]

Can I keep arowana in outdoor pond without air pump and heater

[@StevenNi_]

I owned an aro that was in a very securely lidded aquarium. One day he jumped and the force of him hitting his head on the lid caused his back to break. The lid was still secure but he severed too much damage. Aros r tough too secure of a lid or too weak of a lid and bad things happen

[@degallina1]

I had one that met a similar ending 25 years ago. Mine would coil up tight then explode straight up. "Buster Douglas" would actually knock the lid door up and the brick set on top of it would fly to the floor waking me up on 2 different occasions. 3rd time I didn't hear it. He seemed to be more active like this after 3 days without goldfish, understandable.

[@NotSure876]

I just picked up an 18” jardini, I have light diffusers on top with a brick on top, hopefully that works

[@Brantov]

Good morning. Very interesting your fish and aquariums. Like. I wish you all the best my dear friend.

[@dwsdarius]

Thank you!

[@matt1275]

Where did you get the large wood pieces in 350?

[@cbarbe02]

Yeah I agree I am so afraid of getting one there beautiful fish but I would be a nervous wreck that it jumped out.

[@fuffoon]

There is a video on YT of one jumping out with a light weight cover. It went out like there was no cover. It went right back in.

[@Loth440]

Over that 2" gap in the back you could put a cover with a mesh or slits to prevent anything big going through it.

[@JhunDumsTVXj]

Wow amazing..

[@Shaden0040]

Ir is not about the sixe of the arowana but the power in its body to push through narrow openings. They can leap 5 times their body length. With that much power and force they will push through most small openings that can be forced to be larger. What you needed on your cover was a bunch of concrete cinder blocks to keep the lid in place.

[@lyzhengyehang1154]

I’ve had a lot of luck with lowering the water level to about half and keeping the arowana all by itself.

[@nateavis5686]

Great video. I am nervous about mine jumping out now. I have the same 350 gallon. But the openings in the back are covered up by an aquadecor 3D background. The lightweight lids make me nervous.

[@dwsdarius]

Yes so far everyone is saying either weight them down or try using screening like on a screen door

[@nateavis5686]

@@dwsdarius Dam. Mine jumped out in the middle of the night. I did not find it until 6pm the next day. It was 23 inches. It was the size of a worm when I got it 😢

[@DankDaHerbalist]

My buddies jumped out as well... It was 12 inches. It killed the hobby for him... Thankfully his lil bro still keeps fish

[@dwsdarius]

That sucks

[@RededicateYrLife]

Thanks you for reasoning me out of it cant have escape artist, great tittle

[@freddievara8117]

Put a lot of floating plants on the surface this keeps them calmer. Another thing is these fish originated in murky water they spook easily. Also keep the sides and back black. Securing the top has its pros and cons they jump with such force that they can break there back. The best solution is a netting minimum 2 feet high with pvc pipe all around the netting for support secure pvc to the rim of the aquarium. There best kept alone until ready to breed they are solitary species.

[@scootertv9042]

but Love the aquariems I just got me 1 and Im loving it thinking about starting a youtube

[@Kashyap_00_]

I have silver arowana i am using ACRYLIC HEAVY LEAD for the tank... And create small holes for ventilation and for pipe and wires....so it is almost impossible for arowana to escape from there...btw huge respect for you for your hardwork and for your patience....my advice is you should keep arowana once again... GOOD LUCK 🤞

[@santimateo1984]

I used to be like you sir, i kept an Arowana back when I was in highschool, but ouf LFS kept telling me that they're great jumpers so may 75gal (I was new in fishkeeping back then) we had this thick heavy glass as a lid, theres a space to work for cleaning etc., that space I cover with plywood with a heavy thing to make it secure.. They also jump when they get spooked. But my arowana live well until our country got hit by El Niño, weather keeps getting warmer and warmer and the water in the aquarium also getting warmer and thats when it did get lethargic.. now I keep smaller fish as I got back to the hobby, one year now on betta keeping

[@edwin_chew]

I noticed that you also have a flowerhorn in the tank, arowanas are very sensitive fish and can be easily stress. The most common cause for arowana to jump out of the tank is stress. Flowerhorns are a super aggressive fish, so you won't know if your arowana are being bullied and causing great stress making them jumped! Flowerhorns are also not recommended to be tank mates for any kind of fish, even in ponds. In my country it's illegal to abandon Flowerhorns into any pond or reservoir because they will cause great stress to any other fishes. In the end the pond or reservoir will have fewer fishes.

[@saltystripesfishing2980]

Ive never had issues with em jumping but my jardini is a monster in that he has tried to kill everything. Im hopeing that will change when he goes into the 180

[@Gbonejohn1974]

i had a massive thick 10" clown loach jump through the gap where my filter pipes enter the tank and it literally made no sense ....he must have gone completely vertical up at a certain angle to even have a chance of getting through ...it was literally a 1 in a million jump ...bizarre how they always manage to do it ........i remember the day i bought my flagtail the guy in the shop took his off the bag for second and he was out and down the weir between massive rows of tanks

[@yanishpuholoo8014]

You just have to get better lids mate. Your lids should be heavy enough so they can`t smash them. Your lids are way too light, think your aro pushed through them and jumped out, not through the gap. Just get heavier lids that you can`t lift easily and you should be good to go.

[@nelson466]

You should put some heavy things like bottles of water on your tank cover and make sure there's no little tiny hole to raise an arowana

[@varmans0819]

Powerful water circulation is the solution for any monster fish tank. This keeps the fish active, hungry and healthy. For Arowana's, the circulation should be on the top level. A wavemaker or a powerhead does the job.

[@justinbombs955]

Oh shizz.. Another banger

[@renisonmohammed2315]

Love this video. I went thru the same thing but i went the other way and now i have 10 arowanas. Took some guts to make this video.

[@kohchong4563]

Yes true

[@lachlanbell8390]

Alternative (accurate) title: "How I never learn from my mistakes"

[@aquariumtreasures1054]

Oh so sad, I hate losing any fish. I get attached. 😕🐟🌿👍

[@rpimjada1549]

Why your arowana keep jumping out - maybe community tank isn't working. Mine keep inside with no other fish except a pleco. 3 years now.

[@graphixdb2009]

I agree, I believe my Arowana jumped because my Red and Green Terrors stressed him out. I believe these fish needs lots of space and should be view only at a commercial aquarium park.

[@dwsdarius]

True, it could have been tank mates that spooked mine

[@williamneill5441]

Can’t agree more. Some species are just not meant for long term captivity (in most situations). The arowana is one of those. Awesome fish room, BTW 👍

[@dwsdarius]

Thank you!

[@elgarvall5627]

I see your recommended videos. Hillsong.. Great to have a Christian brother in the hobby

[@dwsdarius]

God is Good!!! Hillsong plays often in the fishroom

[@crystaltripi7574]

It takes a big man to admit to his mistakes, it very obvious you put a lot of time, effort and funds into providing the best life for your amazing fish. A hobby should be enjoyable, I seen others have the same issue with them jumping out of the tank (like John from KGTropicals so you are in good company). Thank you ever so much for sharing and best wishes always.

[@homiesmotorcycletherapy2573]

Great video 👍

[@dwsdarius]

Thanks

[@kkzoo3607]

I’ve had my arowana jump out 5 times, I have 35lbs weights and have no gaps at all now

[@bedamo91]

why not try an albino one since their eye sight is not as great might be less prone to jump

[@dongallego5305]

I bought a Arowana and 2 days after I found my arowana dead. I dont know what happened. It sad because its very expensive to buy one.

[@johnnygalaxy9022]

There are lots of fish in the hobby that i wonder why they continue to be staples in the hobby: Arrowana, Redtail cats, ID sharks... List goes on!

[@PLT123]

I plan on getting a 100-130gal tank with oscars, silver dollars and couple other biggies and would love to get an arowana but after researching them I dont think a 100+ gal would be enough

[@dwsdarius]

No they get to big, a nice alternative would be asian needle nose gars or some hujeta gars

[@PLT123]

@@dwsdarius cool thanks👍

[@GeraldGama]

I think they escaped through the lids(too lite) not the small openings

[@mdhisham7735]

To secure the fish from jumping out is to put a heavy hood.. when i saw u pick up the hood its clearly very2 light type which is not recommended.. yes the gap that u show ontop of your tank is sufficient enough for it to get out due to its heavy slime on their body.. thats y keeping arowana you have to seal all gaps and use heavy hoods. 😊

[@ridwansyah6720]

I have arwana super red 35cm beautiful fish 👍

[@amx1820]

Never have an arowana but always keep wild caught dwarf snakeheads, I'd say they're just as good an escape artist. They'll find that small openings and are good jumpers. One time I left a 1'6" gap between the top and water level but still my 7" channa gachua sp. managed to jump out:(

[@dwsdarius]

Wow, I heard that they can survive out of water for hours...is that true?

[@amx1820]

@@dwsdarius yep as long as their gills and skins are moist. For me the dwarf types are truly a top beginners' fish, have a tight lit and they'll survive:))

[@KevinVang1000]

0:13, what fish is that?

[@spinoyonyx2800]

Ive seen arowana jump out of tanks before the most advice i can give is that leave the tank with sone open air space so the arowana does not fill that crammed so it can fill the atmosphere above its not tight Then put floating plants and stuff for cover as arowanas in the wild love cover of branches and plants that help them hide of predators and catch insects Thats all i gotta say

[@dwsdarius]

Yes next time I'd need something like a giant paludarium

[@sid8863]

Very late u came to knw tht, u can have tht arowana again only thing is tht ararange another tank with all side tight close don't left the lid open

[@ankushkaul6909]

What is the size of tank at 11:07 . Real Monsters .

[@dwsdarius]

880 Gallons

[@chrisj8389]

Hey bro you what's feeding for arowana?

[@dwsdarius]

I fed hikari jumbo carnivore sticks as a staple

[@fishoutwithjuno]

I'm sure they had a great life with you man. But yeah they really are notorious jumpers. Maybe eventually you will get the heart to own another one.

[@southfloridaafricancichlid6423]

Can't blame you for not wanting to keep them again lol. Good story

[@dwsdarius]

Thank you!