Why I support the EU

Date streamed: 02/05/2019
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[@livchamps9573]

That fake posh accent might be the most obnoxious thing I’ve heard all week.

[@buncha3arrows195]

Was cringing my way through the entire video 😖

[@L1vingAshlar]

Jesus, I thought the first 10 seconds was a bit. Some opera/royal/etc whatever music to proclaim "I have arrived". But then it kept going

[@FreekinEkin2]

You can hear parts of an American and Irish accent underneath. I have no idea what's happening with it.

[@brandenharder298]

Aww, you bought a big boy shirt

[@coffeepot3123]

The buttons near his stomach are holding on for dear life.

[@carolinenetbrun5030]

@@coffeepot3123 aww come on. He looks good! You think it s one of tbe david pakman shirts? ;( this is not sarcasm! Destiny does look good and so does david;)

[@claritybluee]

Damn that beautiful camera focus

[@koicies998]

we Kubrick now

[@user-nv9vn8fm1d]

Green screen :/

[@KategariYami]

The low aperture is fantastic.

[@DustyyBoi]

@@user-nv9vn8fm1d lol what??

[@LostieTrekieTechie]

@@KategariYami lower F-stop is higher aperture/a bigger hole. The bigger hole means light from more angles can reach the sensor, in this case leading to a beautiful fuzzy background.

[@Dorian_sapiens]

This is Milo Yannipopoulos impersonating Sargon of Akkad, right?

[@ME-ki7vq]

Sounds like it

[@walterwang4669]

Sounds nothing like Milo Yiannopoulos

[@travishimebaugh8381]

Sure, we sacrifice ease of travel and ease of trade and cost ourselves lots of money we used towards education and stuff... but at least we got to make a totally meaningless assertion about our sense of national independence!

[@TheMRJewfro]

Also totally tanked the pound!

[@TehIdiotOne]

@@trentonmcclintock7836 This is such a hilariously stupid myth it's actually astounding

[@KrisHandsome]

Chris Bartolini So you’re saying that you won’t give any sources because I’d find a flaw in them? What’s wrong with asking for sources when you’re the one making claims as if they’re fact? Either... 1. You didn’t think about your worldview too hard and don’t have studies to back any of it up. 2. You know all the sources that gave you your warped worldview are bogus and don’t want to get into an argument that will ultimately embarrass you. Interesting how you immediately jump to insults, like a child throwing a damn tantrum. Calling me a “autistic manlet beta male faggot” isn’t an argument, it just proves you’ve run out of rational things to say and have resorted to basic ass insults.

[@deeznoots6241]

Lostin Thegarden ironic considering the EU gave the U.K. plenty of power to stop migration from other EU countries and even from external migration, even if you hate immigration you should love the UK’s position in the EU

[@brolygvc]

@Chris Bartolini inbreeding you mean like the royal family

[@blaxxun9051]

I really wished Destiny pushed back a little harder on what this guy was saying. Firstly, he keeps conflating the origin and purpose of NATO and the EU. Nato was made to counteract the Soviets, the EU was made so we wouldn't tear eachother to pieces every 20 years. The fact that a brexiteer doesn't know this is honestly a bit scary. Secondly, he seems to believe that the EU's ultimate goal is to become a country, but this is something it cannot become precisely because of the right to leave and the maintenance of each country's sovereign courts. If the UK didn't want to follow a ruling, they could just say no. They could just leave, like they currently are. California can't do this in the case of the US.

[@lebeaumuni6247]

Yeah I wish destiny had more information about the topic before talking about it. As soon as the ant-EU guy started talking about EU being something made by the USA, I started to get the suspicion that the Anti-EU guys is just quoting certain kinds of conspiracy talking points. A certain kind of conspiracy talking points is that the a certain group of wealthy banking elites wanted to be able to take control over all of Europe, as they have already taken over the USA, but had to unite all of Europe first before they could take over. I think they wanted to call it a Pan-European nation and their agenda was to remove the individual nation's culture and impose their own culture and most importantly their own religion. Guess which identity group was worried that a small group of wealthy bankers were going to impose their religion onto them and remove their culture -_- Not saying that the speaker is one of these people, just that a lot of what he was worried about seemed to fit in nicely with their worries.

[@TwoLeftSh0es]

You're right if a country wants to leave the EU they can, they will be billed 100 bilion Euro's, be forced to implement a hard border on their own land which is in breach of a peace agreement they made, be excluded from free trade (even though they have a trade deficit), be forced to maintain the EU courts jurisdiction over their own and allow the free movement of people. It's a simple opt in or out, what's the problem?

[@MadJackChurchill1312]

edgrrr101 You’ve mixed two versions of Leave. There won’t be a hard border with the four freedoms preserved. There won’t be EU legal jurisdiction with hard Leave, but there will be a border...because that’s how the EU has always worked.

[@MadJackChurchill1312]

edgrrr101 Further, it’s the piece of shit Tories that are pushing for a hard border. The EU wants Ireland and Northern Ireland to stay in the Common Travel Area because, funnily enough, they are not big fans of gun runs going through their territories from Moldova.

[@lebeaumuni6247]

edgrrr101 I’m not sure what the point of your statement was. First I’m pretty sure they UK doesn’t have to allow free movement of people if they leave. Isn’t that the honest reason people support leaving? Second yeah leaving does suck. That’s because when you were part of the club you had benefits and leaving means you don’t get to keep them. It’s part of the deal. If you have to pay to leave, that’s sucks but that’s part of the deal, the border thing sucks but open access was also kinda basically part of the deal of being part of the EU(I’m aware that one of the borders is more complicated than that but still), UK only has to follow the EU courts if you want to trade with them. UK can choose not to trade with them....it would ruin their economy but you can still choose it. So yeah, opt in or opt out, what the problem? I feel like people like to shit on the bad parts of a deal but what’s the alternative? That the EU is even more of a bitch to the UK and then additionally get even less or nothing in return?

[@MadJackChurchill1312]

“Worked with Leave.EU” Ahhhh. So you broke the law on electoral financing. Nice.

[@Bobogdan258]

@weez705 He shouldn't flaunt how he was part of a criminal organisation.

[@Samj112]

@@Bobogdan258 *complains about a second-referendum violating democracy* *Worked for a campaign that broke election laws* ?????????????????????

[@SteHughes90]

8 months on, Leave.EU did not break the law and it turns out remain did. This did not age well.

[@Skronkful]

@@SteHughes90 What are you talking about? Leave.EU got fined 50k for breaking electoral law. And there's nothing new about remain campaigns being fined as well. Of course, laws broken on both sides only further invalidate the result of the referendum.

[@Bobogdan258]

@@christopherhunt9511 if you're smelling burnt toast call 911.

[@NaNaNiiiall]

As a Scot, the argument of supporting brexit because the UK is heavily outvoted in the EU is hilarious. We're literally being dragged out of the EU because of England outvoting us.

[@seanmcmanus2777]

Come home

[@rhett3185]

democracy everyone

[@fredk6992]

That's why you aren't independent.

[@hobbabobba7912]

Well no because neither scotland or england are sovereign nations, the uk voted to leave the EU, now you can argue for Scotland to leave the UK and that's fine if you do. Furthermore, the UK and the EU are not equivalent.

[@hobbabobba7912]

@Nspnspker is it? The EU is unable to take any action against the increasing authoritarianism of Hungary or Poland because they each veto any attempt for the EU to sanction the other.

[@Correctrix]

It’s unbelievably dishonest to say that the UK gets outvoted in the EU a lot. Yep, we are one of the most dissenting member states, going against the majority vote more often than most states. In this, we are like Germany and Austria, which are at the heart of the EU and not about to leave! Moreover, being one of the more dissenting members is not the same as being thwarted. The UK voted on the winning side 97.4% of the time in 2004-09 and 86.7% of the time in 2009-15. And that’s counting abstentions the same as noes. So, even in our recent, very contrarian years, we’ve had our way the vast majority of the time. And what MEPs have been made into officials who get to shape possible EU policy in the first place? British delegates are well-represented there, despite Ukip sending many there to draw a salary and do no work. And on any big issues, we get to veto. And let’s look again at which countries have the most dissenting votes: countries like the UK and Germany. Who would say that Germany is marginalised within Europe, often pushed around by other member states (although going along with them most of the time)? The EU is supposed to be some sort of German-led Fourth Reich by stealth! What’s up with that? Well, powerful countries like Germany and the UK are free to throw their weight around and vote against things at the slightest objection. Smaller members (Belgium, Romania...) may feel it’s best to just go with the consensus on minor issues since they won’t be able to get the big players to cater to them. So, it’s probably the case that many states would vote no a few percent of the time, like the big players do, if they had the clout. How, therefore, can we measure satisfaction with EU policy? Analysis has been done (at the University of Strathclyde) by rating (with a 0-100 score) initial positions of each state’s government on a given issue during 1996-2008, and then rating final EU policy, and comparing them. This way, the UK is number 4 in the EU for closeness between our government’s desires, and outcomes in the EU. On ‘salient issues’ specifically, we came second. This actually shows that the British government is more closely aligned with final EU decisions than Germany, France, Italy... or even the European Commission. The EU is arguably the organisation through which the UK softly persuades Europe to agree with it on policy and implement it continent-wide. And we’re deciding to revoke all our rights to debate and vote there, hold high positions there, live and work freely in its territory, and adopting a hostile attitude towards it.

[@MadJackChurchill1312]

Damn mate. That’s a beauty of a post.

[@TwoLeftSh0es]

Sounds like bullshit to me, lies, damned lies and statistics. Just out of interest how many times did the University of Strathclyde say that UK farmers stopped the french from selling their cattle on the continent by means of blockade? How many times did the Brits overturn French lorries full of livestock and set fire to them? "we are one of the most dissenting member states, going against the majority vote more often than most states" "the UK is number 4 in the EU for closeness between our government’s desires"

[@janbrach8145]

edgrrr101 your post sounds like bullshit to me. Baseless assertions and nonsense.

[@n1w4]

dabbed on

[@n1w4]

‘REEEEEEEE HE DISAGREED WITH WHAT SARGON VOMITED DOWN MY THROAT’

[@ElDrHouse2010]

I support the concept of the EU too. Supranational unions will be whats the next trend to > only nations. Its a way to work together without being an imperialist power ravaging in war with neighboring states.

[@katrinal353]

Pretty much the only way to make an extensible civilization that can work efficiently at a large scale. Abstraction works, engineers should know.

[@Kelxo-o7]

And a better protection against the growing influence of global corporations

[@raquetdude]

Agree aside from the undemocratic aspects of it mainly the EU Commission. And that voting in the elections should be enforced due to how low public voting is.

[@mauzki-]

and the EU army acts or well WILL act quite imperialistic in the future.

[@Smellynyx]

In theory its a good idea, but the people who run the EU are corrupt like rocks.

[@JoshBosh317]

Destiny got banned for showing dead bodies in this debate

[@Pxrish]

Free hasan

[@madratter7031]

@@croisaor2308 what the feck

[@r_o_k_k]

F

[@croisaor2308]

Khaffit Isn’t it just dandy?

[@rhyzw]

I'd love for him to debate Ben Shapiro. He won't of course.. he wants to stay alive.

[@assuming9735]

I started following Destiny in like 2016 when the JonTron debate happened. Watching him get more and more "woke" over the years has been amazing. The fact that Destiny went from a devout centrist liberal to someone that's able to hear the dog whistle in "Spreading democracy" is astounding.

[@comfycaffeine8165]

We will make a communist of him yet.

[@stolencoil9878]

​@@PalletEater214 He has said he is a social democrat already. The next stage is democratic socialist.

[@assuming9735]

@@stolencoil9878 Or we could just go full accelerationist and get work him up to just socialist.

[@brettfleming392]

@@assuming9735 I take it y'all haven't heard him talk about his growing disdain for democracy? Kinda hard to think as critically as he does while adhering to the idea of mob rule.

[@stolencoil9878]

@@PalletEater214 He says it in his first talk with Hasan.

[@fistertwister30]

Can afford a high def camera. Can't afford an Iron.

[@jamiegreyy]

@Riotdrop I mean, you iron clothes after they're washed.. Not on a case by case basis. 😂

[@tcritt]

@@jamiegreyy Nope.

[@alexanderbotting8064]

Sad to see how Destiny is better informed on the Brexit debate than 90% of Britons

[@bobsmith1725]

I don’t understand nationalism or tribalism for tribalism’s sake. Identifying with a group based on arbitrary similarities such as nationality is very bizarre to me. Imo “tribalism” only makes sense when you identify with an ideological group, because a group’s ideology generally implies something about the morality of the people in it, or when you identify with a marginalized demographic of which you are a part, seeing as these people will generally understand and empathize with you in a way that most people will not or cannot. Also, it’s sort of a survival thing. But things like nationalism and tribalism seem really weird and backwards to me

[@user-uq4gr5nl5o]

They seem weird and backwards because, like Destiny said, they come from a primal and animalistic place in the human mind. They are not a product of rational thought.

[@killercaos123]

It makes me feel good. And I'm not joking.

[@deathpresent101]

because the majority of people have low IQ and do stupid shit for stupid reasons.

[@anarchyintheusa4443]

A nation is an ideology in a lot of ways

[@bobsmith1725]

Devon Schmidt Not really

[@killercaos123]

People should know that China is a HUGE player on the foreign market. Their dive into Africa is prominent and staggering. They are building railroads and sea ports in the Billion$ of dollars. And America isn't.

[@AvelierPlays]

This The biggest difference between China and the Western powers that came before is this, the West expanded around the world through conquest, China is expanding through peaceful means. I can understand people being suspicious of China’s intentions, but there is a big difference between how they have done their expansion compared to the US, UK, etc

[@killercaos123]

Avelier Plays You should know I wasn’t complimenting China. Trade IS diplomacy. And I don’t really want China influencing the human rights policies of these nations, because China’s record is disgusting. And it’s not getting much better any time soon.

[@jerry4851]

and America should because why?

[@ManicPandaz]

Aren’t both guys from a “United” country? One is from the United States and the other is from the United Kingdom. Doesn’t that already suggest that being united has benefits? Especially since Russia and China are also a conglomeration of what was once smaller nations. Separating your country in a world of increasing connectivity seems like pissing in the wind. You’ll only hurt yourself... and maybe the person standing next to you lol

[@killercaos123]

Yeah right. Englander: "I wanna leave the EU to gain independence from u cocksuckers." EU: "Okay try." Scotland: "I wanna leave the UK to gain independence u cocksuckers." England: "oh dear. That'd be a bad idea..."

[@MadJackChurchill1312]

killercaos123 63% of Northern Ireland: “I don’t want to be blown up because of an Irish border” England: “TOUGH SHIT. OUR PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN. DEMOCRACY!!’”

[@TwoLeftSh0es]

​@@killercaos123 Not really Englander: "I wanna leave the EU to gain independence from u cocksuckers." EU: "We'll make life difficult for you." Scotland: "I wanna leave the UK to gain independence u cocksuckers." England: "sure, have a vote on it"

[@hake8605]

@@TwoLeftSh0es Ok, so your argument is the EU made it hard for the UK to vote? Cause your acting like the process of voting to leave is the same as actually leaving. The UK would do the exact same things to Scotland as the EU have to the UK if they voted for independence and they couldn't come to a deal. You're comparing two wildly different things here.

[@quantumcomputation4963]

@@TwoLeftSh0es "Sure have a vote on it" Do you think the Scots got a vote on independence as soon and the first time they asked for it? Do you think EU made it difficult for the British to have a referendum?

[@sasotadic7032]

A Brit who has unelected clergy in the govurment and who has a monarchy with VETO power complaining about democratic deficit in the EU...ohh the irony

[@DDChorror]

He's American

[@sasotadic7032]

@@DDChorror with a British accent and with him visiting the USA a few times? (X)doubt

[@PressA2Die]

Do you know what irony means, because I don't think you do.

[@gracchiii5232]

saso tadic Having studied British politics you are right on my friend ahaha, lets hope Labour get in and abolish the unelected Lords, would be a nice step in the right direction.

[@hobbabobba7912]

Ok so you are technically right but you're missing a lot of nuance. Firstly the clergy is found in the house of lords, the upper house that has been stripped of most of it's power. They are there because we are still officially a Christian nation. As for the queen, although she has a lot of theoretical power, a monarch hasn't vetoed a bill in something like 300 years.

[@SazBerry]

"The EU was an American project to be the counter balance to the USSR" WHAT *The EU was set up to stop WW3 from happening,* originally as the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) which managed the production and export of coal and steel (the 2 main things required to start a war) within what would then become the EU common market and then the EU that we now know. Jesus dude, you don't even know the basic history of what you're trying to get out of. I learnt this when I was like 14 or 15.

[@matt_9112]

When I studied abroad (in Malta) a politics professor asked as his first question: Why was the EU and it's predecessors created? After letting people throw out economic, philosophical, geopolitical etc. and sometimes really elaborate guesses for 30 minutes, he sony smiled and said: Wrong, it's to stop France and Germany from waging war on each other. As a German, this was really an eye opener, since this outside perspective was nothing I had ever heard/thought if at the time. And it succeeded in that regard 100% so far, godda dig deep to find a longer period of peace between the two countries.

[@paulbatthephys]

@@matt_9112 now I really wonder how old you are and where you went to school, because when I went to school in the 90s in Frankfurt, we were told this is history class. I was under the impression that view was quite well understood by everyone that grew up in Germany. In fact, I definitely remember that the political expansion of the eu expansion was quite clearly communicated by Kohl (arguably one of the architects of the modern Eu) and other German politicians in the political discourse to be about continued peace and cooperation with France.

[@matt_9112]

@@paulbatthephys well my history classes were in the 00s, there was a quick point about the necessity for a new system in Europe after WWII iirc, but this was clearly disconnected from the then introduced economic reasons (like focus on the economic reasoning of the EWG etc.). Plus, this might also be down to the individual teacher was well, guess mine didn't think to include that. I only have little memories of Kohl's last maybe two years or so, so that might explain that, but I'd argue that an actual war between F and GER was unfathomable at this time by a lot, and scenarios of that were never as clear cut as the statement in that lecture (correct me if I'm wrong I'd appreciate e.g. a quote). Also EU expansion after 1990 was clearly more focused on including former Warsaw Pact pact states on a geopolitical/defense level than the Franco-German relation, which basically was the fixed and we'll established base by this time. Tl;dr: Guess I was just born late enough to take peace between Germany and France for granted, without seeing the elephant in the room/the EU and nobody pointing at it anymore.

[@wout4yt]

@@matt_9112 Nope, the reason to add former Warsaw Pact countries was ecnomic. Had little to do with geopolitical concerns. I'm less than 10 year older than you and even I was thaught that the EU exists to stop Germany and France to stop tearing each other apart. The reason the ECSC is obviously to stop fighting over the Elzas, that doesn't change. You were just thaught very bad history.

[@aperture413]

This guy have a problem with capitalism, not globalism.

[@fizzz35]

I cant handle this HD Face

[@mystereee1479]

Hi res face lo res chat

[@number1sun]

He keeps defending the coal miners job without realizing that the increase in both technology and global trade is making things change faster than ever before. You might see it not fair that you can't work in a coal mine like your daddy and grand daddy but if those jobs become obselte it is your responsibility to man up as a human being instead of trying to force the industry to exist just because you fear change on a person level.

[@wabachi]

ye, work in coal mine and go in retirement at 30... cuz coal mine destroys you as a human... nice logic of his... he mostly doesn't know what he is talking about and he is from europe (if i dont mistake)

[@Kushufy]

Way to completely miss his argument

[@Arcadia21]

The caller guy really misrepresents facts and just throws out statements that aren’t true just to further his point

[@xiMagnesium]

I honestly can't comprehend the thought process of people who want to hold back technical advancement in order to protect jobs, it's so absurd.

[@pedrotherabbit2222]

Same, but lets not forget that this guys retort isn't TOTALLY baseless. When historical forms of meaning are taken away (collectivist meaning; homogenous religious communities, formal work/family dynamics etc) then they usually turn to extremist alternatives e.g Communist Bolsheviks, Islamic extremist, Facism etc... When (not if) globalism takes away traditional meaning then there (probably) has to be another safe-ish collective sense of identity/meaning that doesn't end in disaster like the others I mentioned, otherwise we are fucked.

[@xiMagnesium]

@@pedrotherabbit2222 oh yeah I'll give the guy credit this is probably the most sane pro-Brexit argument I've heard and a sense of belonging is important. The problem is with sense of belonging being defined by Otherness, the idea of uniting because we're /not/ something else is incredibly toxic and dangerous

[@Tnargav]

And it's always difficult to even discuss anything with those people. They don't understand that, yes, technology advancements take jobs but at the same time create other branches of different type of jobs - in many cases much more than it takes.

[@hoarsey1290]

Destiny looked down and to his right during this debate, pathetic...

[@Michaeltsui1189]

BETTTTTTTTTTAAAAAAAAAAA

[@travishimebaugh8381]

Sadmazin'

[@danielthompson2353]

Wasn't it our right his left? Unless the camera image is flipped I guess

[@iang7244]

@@kingofmariokart64 issa joke

[@kingofmariokart64]

@@iang7244 I'm new to Destiny. I was unaware of the sheer amount of meme like "destiny got destroyed in this debate". Lol , I'm da dum one here.

[@mkm1015]

This fella must be enjoying his national pride and Britain becoming great again with food and gas shortages, desperstelly looking for truck drivers, nurses etc.

[@explodet]

I know what this dude is doing. I used to do the same thing at that age. He wants to sound smart, but he doesn't actually know anything, so he just pulls vague statements out of his ass that *sound* right and hopes for the best. That's why he can only say "maybe" or "I guess" to any specific counterpoint; because he *literally* has no idea what he is talking about. EDIT: Also, based on what he says he believes, this guy is actually really left-wing and just doesn't know it.

[@creepyjesus1471]

I really agree tbh, he doesn't sound like he knows what he's talking about at all. And his stance really seems to boil down to "muh culture" which is a blatant dog whistle. I'm not saying he's using it like that, but it certainly sounds like it to me.

[@JerryReyes]

Saying definitive statements is not much better. It's just usually a debate tactic that gives the illusion that you are confident and therefore more knowledgeable than you may be. You shouldn't judge a person's expertise off of these things considering they could simply be mindful that these things are not absolute, apt to change, or have multiple interpretations Destiny says these things all the time and usually knows way more than the people he's debating.

[@MaleTears]

Destiny got U WOT M8'd in this debate

[@SuperRmck]

Hilarious, you are truly a comedic mastermind.

[@crazymcjesus]

hey guys im back from my coma, when is my boy hasan streaming again?

[@mrjones5636]

@@OLBarbok what happened?

[@Jrez]

How was it?

[@VEX_INC]

And here am i, just being happy im a human being in the 21'st century. This UKIP guy sounds like he thinks everyone will get depressed and commit suicide once they have no jobs (even if they have socialised food, water, homes and medicine). Dismissing completely the notion that with the invention of farming 10,000 years ago we also invented FREE TIME, that lead to the ever expanding creation of new technologies and ever expanding acceleration of human progress. What i'm trying to say, is that with more free time, on average, humanity progresses as a whole, and that's a good thing. Because with progress we can find more things that fulfill us and make us happy, with the added benefit of fulfilling our need as a species and living beings to ADVANCE and prosper! Ignorance truly is bliss, because the notion of extreme individuality of a person, have truly made many people afraid that the loss of that individuality would make their life meaningless, therefore without value and a waste of time and energy (something nobody wants to be confronted with or to come at that realisation).

[@zillafire101]

One second in, this guy blasting some sort of national anthem at Destiny, and I can already tell this will be peak autism.

[@Junebug89]

Two seconds in and the guys speaking in an almost certainly put-on accent to boot. This is going to be awful, isn't it?

[@zillafire101]

@@Junebug89 He's not as bad as I thought he'd be. I don't think his arguments are sound, but he's a lot smarter then a lot of the people he debates.

[@fluffedfeathers1930]

I don't think Destiny's "extreme position" is that extreme. In fact, it might be where we are naturally headed as global communication and cooperation increase. Kids a couple of generations ago didn't grow up talking to people from many countries over the internet. I also feel like this nationalism he's talking about being on the rise is just a fear-driven backlash against the inevitable march towards a more cosmopolitan global existence.

[@AvelierPlays]

Exactly, well said, specially the last part

[@exrk1647]

Like, destiny got, like, destroyed in this debate

[@gregorisomariva6384]

Destiny got censored by the article 13 in this debate

[@alexwagstaff3189]

Interesting discussion. However I do have to disagree with his guest. As the argument got cultural radicalisation in the presence of globalisation isn't something that can only happen because of this connectiveness. So if cultures self radicalise irrespective of the globalisation boogeyman, I wouldn't justifiably oppose globalisation because the alternatives would be sacrificing many positives to subsidise only some of the negatives

[@samaelmalkira9420]

Isolationism is always stupid

[@BBukeeB]

I find the very idea of people losing "meaning" when their nationality is questioned appalling

[@oxxy6678]

Lol something about British people being racist towards refugees is so funny to me, like imagining their little posh cute ass accents trying to sound all angry and make a case for a national identity. Bro go drink tea

[@ProfDrLaeradr]

I had some very interesting chats with some of my british friends and all of them were furious about the whole Brexit shitshow (theyre ~ 30 years old), yet all of their parents/grandparents were in favor of it. Maybe some of the older Brits forgot about the Empire being a thing of the past? My Condolences to my friends in London/Liverpool/Glasgow (especially those in Glasgow), was fun to randomly buy a flight and paying you a suprise-visit.

[@rburk854]

Yep I've heard that many people actually believed the Commonwealth nations would bail them out with new trade deals lmao

[@alanraptor2569]

@@rburk854 Wonder how many £20000 cars we are going to sell to Guyana when they only make on average £4600 a year.

[@Correctrix]

Older Britons most definitely fail to realise that the Empire is over. For them, this is all about ‘splendid isolation’, and a feeling of superiority over the Germans for losing the Second World War and France for being occupied in that war, with Britain winning (as though single-handed, despite the Soviets pinning half Germany’s forces to the Eastern Front -- Americans are also guilty of the same jingoistic delusion of swooping in and selflessly saving everyone’s bacon out of pure heroism) without a German boot ever defiling British soil. They spout bollocks about Winston Churchill and the spirit of the Blitz, despite the fact that it was Churchill who called for a United States of Europe to bring peace to Europe for ever, not petty nationalism.

[@wabachi]

they don't understand one important thing... if they leave EU, all prices that are from import would skyrocket... remember (who is from EU) when Greece tried to quit euro and go for drahma? then they realized that their entire economy will be fked.... as Obama said... that he will (when he was president) not stop trades with europe just to trade with UK alone... it was something like "well they are a union, multitude of products... UK is one single country..."

[@MAXIMUMv]

A few minutes in listening to this. This guy is 100% faking his accent; sounds so strange to listen to

[@travishimebaugh8381]

He might have just lived in the UK for awhile and unconsciously attempted to mimic the local accent to try and blend in. That happens sometimes.

[@seanmcmanus2777]

@@travishimebaugh8381 Received pronunciation is not spoken by the average Englishman. He sounds like if someone from south Dublin was hiding their accent RP.

[@tomsouthworth4499]

He sounds Scottish but went to a posh school.

[@jdprettynails]

@@seanmcmanus2777 Exactly! I definitely hear the Dublin coming through.

[@natyanayaki]

@@seanmcmanus2777 I'm American and even I could hear the Irish-ness hidden beneath his accent (though, I couldn't pinpoint it to Dublin).

[@TheRealGingaNinja]

It triggered me when he started talking about 'the North' and welfare. Pretty sure this clown has never gone past Birmingham.

[@TheRealGingaNinja]

@Guiuu Shurt im not doubting but when? I missed that.

[@fredk6992]

Why the fuck would you go north of Birmingham?

[@UsmanX]

As a British person, I honestly thought this guy was a fake at first. What in the world is that accent? It's like someone is trying to fake a Jacob Rees Mogg snooty accent. That being said, I enjoyed this discussion, it got past the whole "sovereignty" and "project fear" excuses from the typical Brexit politicians. Instead, it turns out the pro-Brexit position was fear of the EU becoming a United States of Europe, where even in that situation all member states would have to agree. Can someone correct me if I'm wrong on that point?

[@sasotadic7032]

Anybody else noticed how he argued against Dedtinys liberal stance instead of globilization when talking about China?

[@seanmcmanus2777]

Anarcho-liberal 100%

[@alexanderjaggers3761]

This was a really good conversation. Just a civil discussion on different topics of different viewpoints. We should have more call-ins like this.

[@cromperer]

Destiny debating Nigel Thornberry?

[@fuzzybutterballggg3788]

This is the most based I've ever seen destiny. Globalization will be the direction of humanity, and that is a good thing.

[@STARK0181]

Absolutely! I can't understand why so many reactionaries hate globalisation when it present its social and political benefits are unprecedented.

[@Sam-_-]

If this conversation doesn't touch the issue of financialised capital then i'm unsubscribing.

[@mrpeteblack]

That cannot be his accent. He is putting that on.

[@Reglei1]

“Your conflating low wage employment with low quality employment” pls tell me how happy these mcdonalds workers are 😂😂

[@circlingthesquare6470]

50:33 and 50:55 Destiny's answer to his economic inequality question was dead on point. Yes, there 100% needs to be international cooperation in taxing wealth. How we set that up could be one of the key questions of the next century. And it's sure as hell not something that any nation-state can hope to resolve unilaterally.

[@circlingthesquare6470]

57:45 and 58:10 Destiny at his best again. He has strengths and weaknesses... his history and geography are pretty patchy for instance... but one of his biggest strengths is finding inconsistencies in his interlocutors' arguments. The democratic deficit argument about the EP is bad faith and he didn't fall for it.

[@circlingthesquare6470]

1:00:52 The confusion here is you could make the argument that the PM is more powerful than the president in the sense that s/he is almost always PM by virtue of having the majority of seats in parliament. So you generally don't have divided government (exec controlled by one party, legislature controlled by an opposing party or coalition). There's no separation of legislative power from executive power. In that sense, checks and balances don't exist in a parliamentary system the same way they do in a presidential system, i.e. the leader is unchecked. That said, while the theory of presidential systems is that there will be checks on the president, the reality in the U.S. (and many other countries) is that the president has often found ways around legislative checks and become far more powerful than the founders ever intended. The "imperial presidency" has been a problem in the USA at least since FDR (and arguably since Jackson).

[@thechadeuropeanfederalist893]

Won't happen with Trump as U.S. president. With Bernie i see better chances for a EU-U.S. coopration in this matter.

[@jerry4851]

if the wealthy made their money fair and square why are you trying to leech off their success because you don't have the intellect to make good decisions about your life?

[@TokenTheGreat13]

"you want me to do math? That's homophobic" omg that killed me 😂😂

[@FlowerrMarket]

Really interesting discussion, watched it last night on stream ♡ New camera is super clean!

[@trentnn3079]

I love you destiny

[@luke342w]

The EU started as European Coal and Steel Community and grew bigger, into a single a trade union and later a political union. It was not an American project. I'm pretty sure what that guy meant was NATO. NATO was and still is a big effort(originally by the US) to fight against the illegal expansions by the USSR and now the imperialist Russia. But now that we(Europeans) have seen how unreliable USA is, now that Trump came and started fucking everything up, more and more EU leaders are calling for an EU army, so we'll be able to defend ourselves the way we want, wihtout having to rely on or be at the mery of the whims of idiots like Trump.

[@LordMichaelRahl]

Well, you're goddamn right. This guy sounds cluelessly toxic conspiratorial tribalistic af too.

[@TechAndWanderlust]

Destiny what kind of camera did you use in this video! Super sharp quality. I ask because I’m shopping around.

[@greyhound4204]

this Zarbon guy has no idea about how the EU works.

[@Kelxo-o7]

I like these calm and rational types of debates. Quite refreshing in todays debating culture

[@minkleymcmoo5248]

Culture doesn't just appear. Culture is what is produced as we move forward. Culture stagnates without change.

[@AvelierPlays]

Pretty much, just look at Japan

[@jerry4851]

the US has been changing for its entire history and we still don't have a real culture

[@jhwj9617]

I love how he uses ASEAN as an example for a good international governance. As someone from ASEAN, its a joke of a political organization with zero accountability. Would kill for something more akin to the EU instead.

[@MrLukasboys]

The grass is always greener on the other side.

[@thejakobistable]

Imagine being in an accident behind the czech border and without the EU, the nearest german hospital can't come to you so the czech hospital (being 39 minutes away) needs to help and you could die because of missing connections. PS: After the czech ambulance arrives at the scene of the accident they need to drive back 39 minutes in the case that you need a surgery without the EU providing better laws.

[@kambion]

You know what the ACTUAL issue you guys are spinning around without addressing is? Capitalism. That's your next step Steven. Richard Wolff time.

[@somnale]

Expecting capitalism to fix the problems of capitalism.

[@Giemma3]

Destiny putting Hall on his mic to appear like he talks at Oxford Lecture Halls LUL

[@Jasonsmith-sr1ke]

Destiny met his destiny in this debate

[@olivierdesbiens811]

Like, I can't listen, like, to this shit for more then, like, 5 minutes without, like, wanting to rip my ears off.

[@Antarctide]

"then" You can't write either, it seems.

[@aestheticdoge793]

Oi what's all this about then?

[@Toxodos]

guvna innit?!

[@shablagoo682]

Nice chat this was the best chat so far because you guys got so philosophical. Getting to what happiness really is and how to properly achieve it. These types of chats are much better, because I feel like I actually come out with a more fundamental questions that should be asked.

[@TomasSandven]

The new camera and lighting looks sick! Well done

[@kolja108]

I missed Irish Laddie in this debate!!!!!!!!

[@NicholasRiviera]

The EU is the only way for european states to be in any way relevant on a global scale. Does the UK seriously think they can negotiate eye to eye with China? Or have any influence on the development of northern Africa and the Middle East?

[@Antarctide]

What do you mean by relevance? Shouldn't sovereignty need to be a thing in order for states to have relevance in the first place? Guess what, one of EU's main reasons for its existence is to do exactly this, stripping countries' sovereignty down. This planet doesn't work like what the TV and newspapers want you to believe it does, there's only one government in current world.

[@NicholasRiviera]

@@Antarctide By relevant I mean influential. For example Russia is still very influential on the Middle East, even though they have a smaller economy than Italy, with double the population. This is kind of ridiculous. Having a strong EU could help stabilise north african + middle eastern countries. Else Russia and US will just continue doing whatever they want.

[@TheHorrorDevotee]

This guy is so uninformed about the basics of how the UK Parliament works. Leader of the party with the most MPs is appointed by the Queen as Prime Minister. The UK Prime Minister is, by definition, a member of the EU Commission (or was, before Brexit). The Prime Minister also isn't a 'figurehead'; they literally control al government business in the House of Commons, AND since the Queen always acts on the advice of her ministers, the PM basically has full discretion to use the Royal Prerogative, which is our equivalent of an Executive Order. Also 1:00:14 - The PM indirectly makes Supreme Court appoints here. Our Supreme Court is drawn from members of the House of Lords (our version of the Senate, albeit with no veto power) who have legal training, and Lords are (mostly) appointed by the PM.

[@bwitt1984]

Yeah that was my thought about the Prime Minister. They are much more than even the Speaker of the House. The Prime Minister controls the military and is the only person who can authorize a nuke launch.

[@MrJM215]

Destiny got destroyed in HD in this debate

[@vehikiller]

Diggin' the new depth of field my dude.

[@Toxodos]

basically every country in europe that's not in the EU yet wants in. The fact that britan is out, and parties like the AfD made it their goal is concerning. It doesn't make any sense. Wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that Russia is pushing these movements, I think with the AfD there are already questionable donations.

[@TheRealGingaNinja]

Same with funding for Leave. Check out Arron Banks, for example.

[@s0ltinsert782]

AfD has stepped back on a lot of anti-EU talking points when they stopped being liberal and became this reactionary, nationalist anti-immigration one issue party.

[@neilpatton7174]

Economics is the study of human action. Action is per subjective values. Your schism between economic concerns and actions toward other values is artificial.

[@neilpatton7174]

Acceleration indeed you did. I find the method compelling.

[@aMondia]

This guy sounds posher than the royal family.

[@fredk6992]

Making fun of people's native accent is very cool

[@JennyDarukat]

Steven with that CINEMATIC depth of field, holy shit. What lens is that? A Nokton 17 0.95? 🤯

[@皇帝ScottYee]

Destiny joined the Illuminati in this debate.

[@thatguyinthecorner94]

The rust belt argument seems completely incorrect. If they had more autonomy, they'd be even worse affected by it. Technology mandated that mining coal wasn't profitable, not globalism, not federalism, but the fact that things like natural gas are easier and more efficient and more common elsewhere. They could still mine coal if they wanted, but nobody would buy it. They could locally mandate everyone within those states to only use coal, but that wouldn't make them money. It would just leave them behind on new technologies and economies. I liked this guy when he was able to actually look at his philosophical views on autonomy or whatever, but claiming all local woes on globalism is idiocy. Evolving technology, geography, an their own countries unwillingness to invest other things is what hurt a lot of these rural areas, not globalism. It's a tool like any other piece of technology. You don't need whole towns of fisheries because we got more efficient at it and produce more fish with less people. This leaves fishermen out of the job. You don't just put them back out on boats because they can't compete. Even in the US, as far as manufacturing is concerned, output is far greater than it was 40 years ago. They just do it with less people. That doesn't mean you just do it the old way because it gives more people stuff to do. That's wasting resources for busywork.

[@thatguyinthecorner94]

Also Canada is under the British style system too. The PM is more than a fuggin cheerleader.

[@nickflowers2750]

Dang Destiny really got Brexit during this debate.

[@jani8530]

41:28 this guy has a very large brain

[@issaosama4937]

1. More bargaining power against corporations 2. Stronger economy and economical corporation 3. Stronger security and army 4. More scientific progression and development 5. Better for working people as it improves their unity against big corporations...etc however it has some cons in regards to elitism but that can be avoided if more people got to vote but that’s a small issue that can be fixed later on. Note: those things were from the top of my head I am sure if I do more research we will find more benefits. Also anti EU man made very good points that I as a social democrat can agree with and see where he is coming from.

[@1comatose]

*_ANTI EU MAN_*

[@issaosama4937]

tedlington well idk his name so yeh 🤷‍♂️😂

[@nineviaaware4910]

Stronger security and army? EU doesn't have it's own army.

[@travishimebaugh8381]

@@nineviaaware4910 But EU members sign in on a cooperative defense agreement, what's known as CSDP

[@TwoLeftSh0es]

@@issaosama4937 "that’s a small issue that can be fixed later on" 60+ years on I think if it was going to get fixed it would have by now.

[@boiniq]

destiny was too hesitant to argue about anything, i respect that he doesnt talk about something when he doesnt know anything about it but i hope he reads on it more and in the next debate he can say more

[@Reglei1]

boiniq this is a place where i see destiny get steamrolled in, hes fair in admitting he doenst know much, but his opponents are not fair and use that against him. World politics and history is somethinn destiny kinda needs to git gud at lol

[@zookboy5714]

EU servers omegalul what a joke

[@YoRHaYuki]

people who care about where eu and na Hahaa

[@Boomerrage32]

Saying: "We don't want to trade with China, because China's an illiberal despotic country." Is a pretty dumb argument to use against an internal trading block consisting of EXCLUSIVELY liberal democratic countries.

[@jameszoeller1517]

This conversation is really reminiscent of one I had with an anarcho-primitivist...

[@quinn9045]

1:12:37 Destiny the anarchist?????

[@teheleri1466]

Slippery "you're from europe you have no say in our murican politics" Steben thinks he has a say on european politics lololol.

[@teheleri1466]

Why bring that up?

[@mayainverse9429]

"im a hardcore liberal" "i don't care about culture" don't get how you can contradict yourself with 2 back to back statements so fast. if you desire to live in a liberal society then you are required to maintain a liberal culture.

[@PuckishAngeI]

Americans on brexit, LULW

[@luisnavarro5298]

Kid the phantom thief hey man if all the alt righters can talk about America as if they live there having done absolutely no research then we can talk about Britain after doing research

[@shushuyu]

@@luisnavarro5298 lol

[@brettfleming392]

Seriously, don't you guys know you can't form an opinion on something unless it's intertwined with every facet of your life?

[@travishimebaugh8381]

Destiny is a Twinkistani, I think you'll find

[@anteaterking6728]

@mayrana2 Stop. Taking. The. Bait.

[@facemelter2277]

The argument the UK had no power in the EU is so funny to me. WE HAD VETO POWERS

[@JBinero]

There *is* a clear defined way for MEPs to propose legislation. The Parliament can vote to demand a legislative proposal from the Commission within a time frame. If the Commission misbehaves, they can be removed and a new Commission can be proposed. As an election volunteer for the upcoming European elections, I see this a lot. People don't quite know how the EU works, and therefore think it's not democratic. The process isn't even that complicated. The issue is, people aren't taught in schools how the EU democratic process works.

[@majortrash9190]

1:05:11 Thats not true, Merkel didnt get kicked by the party, she herself abdicated as the leader of the party, and on top of that her selected candidate also got elected as the head of the party.

[@craigwatkins6539]

Honestly, I would have loved you to have had this conversation with someone who knows how the EU and UK parliament works. He doesn't even know how the UK parliament works let alone the EU.

[@Bartnuschler]

Destiny had a neatly trimmed beard in this debate

[@neilpatton7174]

Value is subjective and sovereignty lies properly with the individual. Cooperation, whether it be with a person across the street or across the world is proper (economically, morally, and psychologically) so long as it is voluntary and per the values of the individual participants. Same goes for disassociation. D has a faith in the state that is misplaced.

[@1Nostrand1]

Did destiny just debate Nigel Thornberry?

[@BBukeeB]

Remember guys, being forced to be a miner because your parents and grand parents were miners too is much better than being a "cog in the global machine"

[@angelicking2890]

13:48 epitomises the brexit conversation. "We know you're right but my feelings say otherwise".

[@calebjiang4056]

Near the middle he said "why should smaller states subsidize blue states like California." Literally the exact opposite is true.

[@isaacbenmoussa4454]

Holy shit a debate that didn't infuriate me. You should have guys on like this way more often