Why I Think You Should Play PvP in V Rising 1.0 and How to Start

[@cesarmanducas]

I tried PvP once, but it was not as cool as I've thought it would be. I played solo on a duo server, it kinda went well because I leveled pretty fast. But one day I found all my stuff gone and couldn't do anything because I wasn't max level and the guys were teaming with other duos. Also I don't like the fact that I have to make a horrible looking castle, all honeycombed, for it to be defendable.

[@terribletimmy2]

Sounds like you'd need to play a No-raid server. The issue with getting offlined is gone in those, and there will be official versions of them

[@picklewart5382]

@@terribletimmy2 When there's official versions then I'd consider it. Otherwise it's expecting sheep to not be scummy and follow rules, hard pass. Had enough of that with Ark.

[@Aventurine4lyfe]

No raid servers are exactly that, not a loose rule that people can or won't follow they physically CANT raid you😊​@@picklewart5382

[@Eddy_Stylez]

I think Solo Pvp will always suck in this game until they actually create a legit solo mode where teaming up with other players wouldn't provide an advantage.

[@RealDrDoom]

The real reason he wants you to play PvP: So he can have a bigger pool of people to rob

[@terribletimmy2]

That pool is already large. I just want more people on the servers to experience the hype

[@JoaoBatista-yq4ml]

My main concern with PvP isn't fear but that rather it encourages you to skip parts of the game that I think are part of the fun. Another thing is that timing seems to be important, joining a server when it wipes seems to be necessary to have a good PvP experience. I'll try it though after finishing the game in PvE

[@terribletimmy2]

Check out a PvP server with griefing rules. If you join late, the high level players won't be allowed to kill you (unless you attack first, or in some cases you try to cheese ahead in end-game zones)

[@WowSuchFrames]

@@terribletimmy2 What should I do if I have no friends? Is it worth it to BUY the game in this case????

[@twitchsuperadz6432]

But I don’t want someone’s attack to my castle I’m scared lol

[@bizzzzzzle]

@@terribletimmy2yes, but that still doesn’t change that you can’t engage with the majority of players until much later…

[@librabys]

​@@WowSuchFramesdid you find an answer to that? I'm having the same issue

[@drikpic]

I love PvP in this game but i don't have enough time to play a lot and dont want to come back and all my stuff is gone.

[@terribletimmy2]

Check out the new No-Raid servers!

[@steel7468]

​@terribletimmy2 Why does it wipe after a month tho?

[@terribletimmy2]

I think they assume people will have completed their run before then and want to keep it fresh. Check the discord though for a no-wipe no-raid. You should be able to find one on launch.

[@Scales1364]

I'm more of a PvE kinda guy, but once I get done with all of 1.0 stuff I'll def give pvp a shot!

[@terribletimmy2]

Give it a shot and see how it goes!

[@serafima2]

I am an Old PVE player and i was thinking of trying PvP server for a first time on this game. But after listening to your tips i realize that people will try to skip major parts of the game so they can get ahead first, which to me will ruin my experience. I don't want to skip and rush, i just want to enjoy this amazing game. And if everyone else are already max gear ill have really hard time amd bad experience. So i need reconsider my choice.

[@terribletimmy2]

That specific tactic will only really be happening on private servers. There's a LOT of private servers out there, and they will have the most veteran players. If you play PvP on officials, 95%+ of the population will be entirely new to the game let alone PvP

[@SavageRoosterOnThaLooster]

Play on official, there might be one team that’s better, so what? You being a casual will never be top on server anyways, and I promise it doesn’t take the fun away.

[@LCInfantry]

@@SavageRoosterOnThaLooster You’re crutching on their mercy. I’d like a PvC time server, that had player to player pvp, but no building destruction pvp.

[@cgushue4]

Surprises me they do closed betas for a PvP game like this, that revolves around trying to progress as fast as possible. Quite a large advantage testing new content before everyone else lol.

[@Sparta-vu3jj]

yeah but it helps with troubleshooting problems, fixing the really broken unbalanced stuff, smoother performance. TT would destroy me either way.

[@terribletimmy2]

One thing to note is that there is a FRACTION of the playerbase in the beta right now, especially compared to what the playerbase will be at 1.0 launch. Some people will for sure have strats down, but the overwhelming majority will be ENTIRELY new to the game. Also, I will be updating/posting as much info as I possibly can when I can to help everyone out who wasn't able to test. I have like 13+ videos already outlined. Just need permission to record and I will be posting them like crazy on launch.

[@ZM-dm3jg]

Exactly.. ruins it

[@eninja8152]

@@terribletimmy2 Is there a post for a route or "speedrun" strat like a quick reference guide step 1-246 etc with like make sure to pick up x amount of matts here etc. I watched your run but i think if someone made a quick reference guide it would be great and i feel like i have seen one before. Kinda like an act lvling guide in poe i just wanna rush to iron and haven't played the game since gloomrot so I'm doing a lot of catch up already lol

[@cliffbelony2381]

I've played v rising since first early launch on a pve server i'm a castle builder with over 5000hr, after completing the game a with no pvp experience i joined a pvp server the experience i encountered was for me it made v rising a completely different game more exciting more fun. each time you venture out into the world you just don't know who you will come across.for anyone stating pvp servers are full of toxic players from what i have experience its no different. so please don't listen to those who just bash pvp just give it a try you will be pleasantly surprised at how much fun you can have. just always remember its just a game. have fun everyone

[@terribletimmy2]

omg... I wish I could like this comment 50 times. This is EXACTLY what I wanted to get across to people. There is no difference to me in getting griefed in PvP by someone and having someone in PvE steal all your mats etc because they can and you can't do anything about it. In PvP, at least you get new and fun experiences at any given time, and get a chance to defend yourself/resources! A big one too is finding a fun PvP private server with PvP rules geared towards fun and not "competitive" or "no rules" servers. It makes a big difference if you can't get killed by some max lvl player when you're just cruising in dunley at lvl 40.

[@cliffbelony2381]

I didn’t realise the fun and the buzz I would get from my first ever one on one PvP fight, regardless that I loss the fight i just had a smile on my face and congratulated my opponent. I realised that there where more people in my position who had never done PvP before but rather than getting upset because I lost I just wanted to refine my skill

[@terribletimmy2]

And the best part is you'll only ever keep getting better. And then you find a duo who you vibe with and just have crazy flights in open world

[@FallenFromGlory]

@@cliffbelony2381 that mindset is amazing

[@LCInfantry]

@@terribletimmy2 You need to play on regular official so that you aren’t fooling people with all this encouragement to play on PVP servers. “Oh yeah, everything is fine, just play on a private PvP server, herherher” PVP survival games brings out the toxicity in every single person. It’s just natural. I think your opinions are heavily skewed by playing on private PVP servers. You don’t actually know what the hell is going on official PVP.

[@Mercymurv]

Around 3:30 reminds me of my time on Conan Exiles where I had optimized my character just to build and went crazy with that. Ended up being attacked by 3-4 friends who were all about optimizing for fights, but I'd just go out and build bases around their bases when they were asleep. It was certainly a case where farming rate was making up for a lack of direct fighting, haha.

[@sophieirisviel4100]

about the “bind extra weapons to mouse buttons” thing: I have an mmo mouse with the 12 thumb buttons (g600 to be specific) and it helps so much with weapon swaps since i can actually use more than like 5 weapons without having to take my fingers off wasd

[@terribletimmy2]

Yeah I would love to try this. For sure it would make things 10x easier this way, especially when you want to move one way and swap/attack another like you're talking about.

[@FallenFromGlory]

That sounds amazing, I'm a scrub so I have to use like XVG etc

[@MrRocsy]

Yeah no, still staying on PVE.

[@terribletimmy2]

👍

[@SavageRoosterOnThaLooster]

I play on normal pvp not merciless, and it’s a blast

[@RamzaBehoulve]

Play Brutal then. That's how the game is really meant to be played in PvE.

[@Onyx1776]

@@SavageRoosterOnThaLoosterhey just heard of this game and i love pvp/ looter shooter but I also like games like this style as well. Is it as good as people are saying ? For someone who likes pvp

[@bobloerakker9031]

I would maybe try the non raid pvp. I want to build a cool base and not be worried about people attacking.

[@Sabata40]

if anyone wants to have a fun PvP experience with V-Rising, a well manage an moderated private server its best. Having some enforced rules to avoid things like teaming and AFK raids. Raid times on days/hrs where people are more active also enhances the PvP experience. Officials servers are very often abandon really quick cuz of teaming done by 14+ player groups that grief everyone into leaving the server for another one.

[@terribletimmy2]

Totally agree. All bets off servers are super rough for inexperienced players

[@josephjohnson5415]

The population caps on pvp servers is a genius move because no pvp game can ever truly retain its population. Sadly most players just suck and it becomes an algorithmic problem of how long until they realize and quit. This is not game specific, there is always a churn and burn of players in pvp and the longer the game continues the small the population gets and the higher the skill ceiling becomes. Playing pvp early is the best and there will be diminishing returns over the months or years. So the new update would be the perfect time to jump in to pvp but it wont be suprisong when 30% of the pop is lost before the first wipe. Players will get chased out by the pros.

[@terribletimmy2]

Yeah for sure the core playerbase will just keep getting stronger and stronger. You're absolutely right though that the first month or so is a fantastic time to jump into PvP and not be almost guaranteed to get completely steamrolled.

[@josephjohnson5415]

@@terribletimmy2 we got to remember player psychology before we question the lack of desire for pvp. In most pvp games there is a small percentage of players, 2-5% that are the top players and they tend to band together over time instead of competing, birds of a feather flock together. They're the super pros and some quit because they get bored of winning. Then you have the 6-20% who are still doing 80% of the killing, they don't fight the top, they know their place its semi-pro. Egos here are often care free and these folks have the most fun. The 21%- 50% are the good enoughs, they win enough to keep playing, egos start getting fragile here, and they purposely look to punch down because they get punched out if they dare look up. They troll the nubs to get their fixes and band together like packs of hyenas. The 50% and beyond lose more than they win. Is it times, capacity or will power? It doesn't matter eventually they will lose enough that they quit. Each one lost pushes the mean further up, which is why population is such a problem in pvp, how do you keep the below average skilled players, who are literally the meat and potatoes of pvp diet.

[@XoloQueue]

I think I'll stick to PvE for now. Great video, though! Maybe I'll give PvP a try at some point.

[@terribletimmy2]

At the very least give no raid a try! Will help to mitigate apprehension from raids

[@FallenFromGlory]

We need more pvp content!!!

[@saggydumpling7532]

Pvp without raids. I'm down with that. Will it be on their official servers?

[@terribletimmy2]

Yep!

[@FeelMyBicepp]

​@terribletimmy2 can you get pvp without your base gone? Ima noob looking to try

[@SageLykos]

@@FeelMyBicepp yes there will be servers without raids.

[@SavageRoosterOnThaLooster]

@@FeelMyBiceppthe comment you replied to literally said PvP servers without castle raids……

[@FeelMyBicepp]

@@SavageRoosterOnThaLooster sorry im disabled

[@CaptianSwan]

I've always played on pvp servers but I'm getting tired of not being able to get the end game gear (soul shards) and being locked out of end game content like mortium incursions. My teammates don't play nearly as much and aren't good at pvp so I'm usually solo or trying to defend them and it never goes well.

[@terribletimmy2]

Check out no raid. Shards are not unique there so everyone can get them

[@BreakingIddy]

Awesome man cheers, just installed and pretty keen on getting into pvp

[@terribletimmy2]

Awesome. Game is fantastic for PvP. Very unique and has a huge skill ceiling

[@marcyy6192]

Its not worth playing PvP to anyone who has to go outside and doesn't know min maxing, I don't wanna waste 2 hours looking for a official PvP server when the majority of them have toxic top clans that gatekeep or just keep you weaker so they can always still crush you if they want/need to it's just not a lasting online experience in my opinion because the more time its out the better the toxic no-lifes get at gatekeeping and controlling more servers. this is a game you can only play online if you don't want to play any other game for awhile, I have friends asking me to play other things, but if I play this it was all just a waste of time cause I get off to play something else for a few hours and now I'm way behind and someone can gatekeep and make it all pointless.

[@terribletimmy2]

Sounds like you'd be more interesting in a private server with Anti-griefing rules. Generally give a 10 lvl gap MAX on someone killing you, which gives new players and people who don't have 16 hours a day to play some breathing room. PvP can be amazing in this game, but I agree if you hit a bad server/a server that doesn't really vibe with your wants/needs, it can be super unfun

[@haffar95]

Coming from RUST background to PVP on V Rising is just Gold! I usually with this kind of games i don't like to PVP, but knowing how much fun PVP can bring, i gave it a try and it's just totally another experience than PVE as i started. I'm really glad im getting the same vibes from V Rising as i get it on RUST even though the 2 games are just different with the play style but still survival, base building, raiding PVP .. etc is just so cool!

[@terribletimmy2]

Couldn't agree more!

[@falaska1099]

This video feels like it was made for me, ill give it a try i think once im done with PvE playthrough

[@terribletimmy2]

For sure! Enjoy the game/update in PvE, but there really is nothing like a PvP fresh wipe and all the craziness that happens in it.

[@SavageRoosterOnThaLooster]

Dude, I promise you, you pick a PvP server with settings you like first off the rip, you will like it way more than only pve. Lots of servers are mainly pve anyways yntik you reach the end game, or you’ll be fighting people at a boss catching them with their pants down, or yours, for a quick resource gain

[@MyNameMCDOUGALL]

I really want to believe that I could commit to a pvp server (no raids) but I really feel it would only take one or two beat downs and I would be regretting the choice and staring again on a Pve. I really enjoy watching others play with pvp involved, especially the content you put out. Its almost like I get to enjoy two completely different sides of the game, one playing, one watching. I know you say you expected to be downvoted on that reddit post lol but its crazy that other PVE enjoyers are so against your opinion when you are simply trying to encourage people to give it a go (and experience more from a game that we obviously all enjoy). Im hanging out to see update times so I can plan the day accordingly!

[@terribletimmy2]

Yeah man I totally understand why people don't like PvP, and why they would prefer PvE. It makes sense not wanting to have to worry about losing resources or getting your castle deleted, but I really think there's a "right" PvP server for everyone. No Raid servers, servers with no griefing, servers with no camping, no teaming etc. RPG PvP, RP PvP, No Raid+No Durability loss servers... There's so many out there. At the very least, it's a fun thing to try, and I'll keep making content to support/help/teach/inspire people to step out of their comfort zone and try it, (as well as improve their own gameplay), but obviously at the end of the day, YOU DO YOU haha. Enjoy the game however you like, even if it's just progression runs by yourself or w.e. And yeah, I've been on that sub since EA launch. It's been that way for a loooong time. People take ANY suggestion to try PvP as a personal attack, and are like... vehemently against people supporting it. There's even a thread right now from a guy saying "I'm new to the game, should I give PvP a try?" and it was downvoted to oblivion. It's just so crazy haha

[@SavageRoosterOnThaLooster]

One or two beat downs? You lose your resources, not your gear. I promise it’s not a big deal and a lot of fun. Especially when you catch them off guard instead of

[@mohamedkhomsi3375]

A totally different experience? No kidding? Well it's more than obvious. PVP is there since around 25 years. If you like to take the risk to have your game experience ruined then it's your taste. All what you said is exactly why people play on PVE servers. I still remember all these a**holes invading me in Elden ring while I'm a Souls veteran not to fight me but just to prevent me from doing anything the game, fleeing away whenever I started to chase them. You like that? That's great. You maybe should think about the fact that we don't have the same taste and please don't try to push people to like the same things as you. I prefer to play in brutal difficulty naked rather than on a PVP server. But we'll see. I'll make my teeth on the PVE side then see afterwards...

[@terribletimmy2]

Since the PvP in this game wasn't an after thought like it was in Elden Ring, you may find it a better experience here

[@PopersIRL]

theres something I've been thinking about. I'm never tried pvp but I can play brutal difficulty and tbh theres a lot of bosses who are harder than fighting the average player. Makes me wanna try

[@terribletimmy2]

Honestly, great outlook. I would recommend trying a No Raid server to start so that you don't have to worry about people attacking you while offline, and then just enjoy the ride.

[@terribletimmy2]

So... are you going to give PvP a try?

[@MJSherwood]

Sadly pvp is dead to me. The community just isn't fun you either play pvp and never fight anyone or you dual in town and log in to find your castle flattened while afk. Personally I think castle names should be removed from the map or have castle protection when afk or pvp with no raids servers. Unless you're online during all raid time I can't recommend pvp servers anymore and being a father and business owner I can't give that much time consistently.

[@theneyver3772]

@@MJSherwood just two hours a day.

[@javiersoave]

no way, i will go pve like always

[@Dekamerx]

2 hours is alot to spend on a game per day when you're a father and a business owner ​@@theneyver3772

[@DashStorm]

pvp balance is off. the entire meta is all about speed running your way to higher gear lvl so you can steamroll over players who cant grind 10 hours non stop. They pick on low lvl players since there is no true endgame pvp content for them that rewards defeating players in their skill level. Players then quit, server dies, players move to a different server, rinse & repeat. So untill they fix these two issues: pvp balance, pvp endgame - ill stick to albion online

[@Mercymurv]

A lot of good points in this video, from the spontaneity of PvP servers to scrub mentality to where to practice fighting. I'm someone who played Rust, Conan Exiles, and Ark a fair bit. I liked when servers were either perpetual or at least lasting a month or more. I'm not sure what V Rising is; some are saying 1 month, others 6 months. I'll continue to look into this game.

[@terribletimmy2]

If you're into top down high skill based combat (there are no targeted abilities against enemy players, like click on them to deal guaranteed damage style moves), and rust-ish gameplay, it's a great game. Some servers can die quickly, but there will be people running servers for a very long time to come

[@ApolloArden]

Is the V Arena pretty welcoming to completely new players? I don't wanna join and get flamed for being bad LOL

[@terribletimmy2]

It absolutely is welcoming in my experience and from what I've seen. I myself have helped a bunch of new players get started there, and I've had people explain stuff to me as well. I would just say "Hey I'm new to PvP so bear with me" and people will be pretty helpful. Check out GrimXv's and ChappllGR's channels for some good PvP tips as well.

[@messerchin]

I just joined a couple days ago, and just went dueling people i came across. I first just watched other people duel to see what is going on and what they do and use. Then step by step learn every weapon and to combine them. God I was beyond awful, but now I feel more confident with a couple builds I like to do

[@terribletimmy2]

Hey love to hear it! You'll only keep getting better from here!

[@FallenFromGlory]

No one will flame you for being bad at least. You might flame them for the cancer builds though xD

[@AntwKats]

in Conan exiles there are Semi-pvp servers like 6h per day , i wonder how that would have worked for V rising like During Nights , or maybe during Blood Moons?

[@terribletimmy2]

Yeah that could be interesting. There are servers that are PvPvE (with PvP events) where the rules are NO PvP unless agreed upon or done during PvP events (like the Purge happening in the server).

[@ulysesjoos6628]

I agree with your statement Timmy. Not nearly as toxic as ppl make it out to be

[@terribletimmy2]

Always confuses me when people say they are super toxic.

[@Ersb99]

Any chance u can make a ALL NEW AND OLD COMBO VIDEO , easy mode , intermediate and advanced bro??? For the release of 1.0🎉🎉🎉

[@terribletimmy2]

I'm planning on doing some weapon breakdowns on release, however I would highly recommend checking out GrimXv and ChappllGR's channels for some really solid PvP info. I do plan on doing what I can, but those 2 have their ears much closer to the ground so to speak. Def stay tuned for weapon info though!

[@Ersb99]

@@terribletimmy2 brother tysm

[@FallenFromGlory]

@@terribletimmy2 XD Timmy can't make an advanced video yet :) (no offense :D)

[@daveycakes03]

Is there a way to get texture packs or is that just how the game looked before? The game looks cooler in this video lol

[@terribletimmy2]

I liked it as well tbh. I do like the new look, but I liked the old one as well

[@viiizee]

I agree, I prefer PvP as well. But you just won't see casual players playing on PvP servers until some of the Public or Private servers have options that cater to this very large population. Things like opt-in castle raiding etc. No on likes getting offline raided because they can't be online every single day to defend their castle.

[@terribletimmy2]

True. There are servers like what you describe but sadly casuals won't know how to find them

[@viiizee]

My point being that the reward for winning in emergent activities is negated heavily by the fact that resources you gain and what you built is defiled and looted without you being able to defend it.. in other words wasting your time.

[@terribletimmy2]

Not sure I follow. They have no raid and weekend raid servers that make it easy to be online to defend if you want to

[@viiizee]

@terribletimmy2 I guess I'm sort of that niche player. I work as a bartender and work late hours. There aren't many servers that set their times early (definitely no public servers) and even if there were I don't necessarily want to be online for the entire raid window on both nights in order to keep my castle. I'm fine with costly blood essence requirements and people losing their spots if they go for long periods of time without playing, but to skip a single day or weekend and get cleaned out really sucks.

[@jacobtheriault]

It seems like these types of games inPvp just aren't for you and that's alright.​@@viiizee

[@Level98Abra]

I made it into the video! haha great video as always!

[@terribletimmy2]

Eyyy good fights!

[@grimwell6300]

The problem with PVP survival games is toxicity and your base disappearing over night.

[@terribletimmy2]

Not really how it works in this game. Turn off chat and You can choose to play on no raid servers and it solves this problem

[@grimwell6300]

@@terribletimmy2 There's a no raid option? Damn. Thank you

[@terribletimmy2]

Yep! Makes it a lot better to just enjoy fighting people

[@koczeniakmike]

I really enjoyed this commentary.

[@terribletimmy2]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@TheTCM]

My main negative experiences with being on a pvp server is that there is one clan who has pretty much occupied a full area by somehow havong 5 castles on 3 people... And my clan mate has very limited playing time so i play a lot alone and everytime i try to go for a t2 incursion i get jumped by 2-3 level 90s so cant farm greater stygians at all which is a major pain in the back end. Other than that its pretty fun though

[@flowmah5317]

I only disagree with what you said about soul burn. There are veteran players that complain about this spell, so they have “scrub-mentality” as well? I disagree with that. If soul burn just silenced spells it would be fine, but no you cant even auto-attack and they can do whatever they want, it needs a nerf.

[@terribletimmy2]

I plan on doing a video to go into more detail on Scrub mentality. Scrub Mentality is not "bad at the game" or "inexperienced." It's a propensity to blame/refuse to use something that gives a competitive advantage for one reason or another that isn't something like "I'd rather use something else". Like people calling edge-hogging in SSBM "cheap" or refusing to use strong weapons in halo because "it's too easy." Or in this case, whining about Soulburn because it's a "crutch." Everyone suffers from this (including me), but it shouldn't be a reason for new or learning players (or any player for that matter) to let someone else dictate what competitive advantages they have. Does it need a nerf? Sure. But until then, it's in the game. Use it if you want to and don't let the scrub mentality decide for you.

[@FallenFromGlory]

​ @terribletimmy2 I'll stab you for this (in Minecraft). V rising pvp is obviously very skill based; while some abilities are more difficult to use to their full potential than others, it's still a game built on the principle of "if you're good, yeah, you can probably do it." A person with iron can kill someone with Sanguine, if they're good enough. This is old news. Even 1vX in high numbers is technically possible if you're good enough, as there are no "auto hit" attacks like in other games. This, in my opinion, is very healthy for the game, as you can punish people who mindlessly spam with counters and the like. Everything being a skill shot is a good thing- even summoning builds can be avoided, but, Soulburn negates all of this. It's a "you're now dead button" in 1vX. Because; it doesn't matter if you "just don't trigger it," because it instantly kills you- in that it prevents use of abilities. Chasing isn't very difficult- so getting into the range of it isn't really an issue, specifically when you outnumber someone. Make it a counter or a skillshot.

[@terribletimmy2]

Yeah like I said, it needs a nerf. Doesn't mean that you shouldn't use it if you want to. I could rage for hours on why I think phantom aegis is worse for the game by far, but there's no point because it's in the game so gotta get used to it and either learn to play it or learn to play against it (or both).

[@austinsanchez4546]

I can’t relate because making a whole new weapon is expensive. I only learned about 3 weapons, but never made them since it takes too much time and degrades everything else.

[@terribletimmy2]

It can certainly be frustrating, but you could also try a chill PvP server with reduced or even NO durability loss on death. They will for sure be around with 1.0

[@FallenFromGlory]

Weapons are really cheap what do you mean?

[@SavageRoosterOnThaLooster]

@@FallenFromGloryI think homie went to iron mine one time….

[@FallenFromGlory]

@@SavageRoosterOnThaLooster I mean I do that, and have enough until dark silver.

[@nightskysx]

Thanks for making this video and cementing my pve run. Talking about hours and hours of practice and making strategies to even stand a chance lol. PvP is only for people who can no life the game and reach endgame in 2 days or less. PvP is not for people who only have 4-6 hours a week to play.

[@flowmah5317]

Skill issue, none of what you said is true.

[@terribletimmy2]

Disagree personally. You don't HAVE to practice anything and there are tons of strategies. You can even just roam the map and farm other players if you want to in order to skip huge amounts of progression. Also to note, if you don't want to think up your own strats, I have multiple videos/guides giving the basics of fast progression. I can comfortably get to Winged Horror in ~5 hours on many servers, especially with a duo.

[@emich34]

if you can only play a few hours a day and not like no life and rushto endgame before people do you reccomend?

[@terribletimmy2]

Find a no-raid server and play there I would say. You can enjoy it with pvp without worrying about getting fully wiped

[@MJSherwood]

@@terribletimmy2 are there official ones or just private? I've found the private ones have hefty blood drain modifiers

[@FallenFromGlory]

@@MJSherwood That's to free up space, it's healthy.

[@MJSherwood]

@FallenFromGlory not the ones I tried. Took me 3 hours to farm enough blood for 1 days castle drain at low level. I get that it gets easier later but damn I already have a full time job :) don't need another one just to keep my castle going

[@terribletimmy2]

Yep! No raid officials coming!

[@InfoNuggies]

Now you're making me want to try pvp

[@ToxicFume]

Definitely going PvE this time as i have to much of a back log of games to play atm. I"ve enjoyed pvp and i think its the best experince in the game. But i rather not deal with castle raid timers as whole atm.

[@terribletimmy2]

Totally get it BUT they just announced No Raid official servers! Might be what you're looking for?

[@MJSherwood]

@@terribletimmy2 this is great news 👏

[@MrProbstandrew]

At the end of the day tho.. it is the mix of everything tha makes a game stay fun and engaging.. and that is when u have pve as well as pvp.. when u have many levels and ways to play and things to do. im so hoping V Rising will be able to scratch that itch. it also just has so much more depth, when a reason u are doing stuff and pve is to get better gear for pvp, and vi.vs.. and having actuall real people in ur game and world also makes it so much deeper and more real.

[@terribletimmy2]

Yep. There's seriously nothing like this game out there imo.

[@DanishHellhound]

I think that you have to have two separate mindsets for PVE and PVP. PvE functions well as a vampire castle builder or similar rpg-esque game with basebuilding. This can be extremely fun, as with minecraft for example. PvP is a new game entirely. Think of it more like an action rpg game, where every wipe is a "new match" so to say. Don't view it as: "i have to build my cast OHSHIT! i got attacked and now my progress is gone!" Instead think of it as more of a battle-royale. You, a vampire, has descended upon a land, but knows that other vamps will also be vying for resources. Your goal is not to build your castle, but to survive and outlive the opposition. If you are into rp and stuff or like a lore reason, then you could treat them as: PvP: before you became the sole survivor of the encroaching vamps. PvE: after you survived and came out on top, having outlived the carnage, and now has to build up your domain.

[@angelodistefano6068]

you say that if you're getting griefed to just go to another server, but the game doesnt have a big enough player base to just keep hopping from one server to another. that might change for the 1.0 update, but for how long? the devs have admitted that they don't want to touch most aspects of griefing for the sake of "letting players do whatever they want" so unless that changes, don't really see how the game is gonna maintain its player base shortly after the 1.0 update.

[@terribletimmy2]

I would argue that the MAJORITY of servers don't have griefing in them, particularly private servers. There are TONS of good private servers with full-on "if you grief you're banned" rules. I've seen it happen before. A lot of those servers stick around for a long time as well after launch and have their own discord communities. If you're on an official server and get griefed though, you're def SoL...

[@FallenFromGlory]

They have NOT done that, the reason is that moderation is difficult. They've described how they frown upon crossteamers etc.

[@MrProbstandrew]

I think it also will have alot to do with the community Servers, and how they are setup, pvp and raiding wise. there needs to be some balance, specially so that folks dont just get zeroed by way stronger groups, and Raid times are managed and with rules, stuff like that.. so that more folks can have fun with it, apart from the top dogs or folks with the most time to play etc. also, bugs and exploits need to be closely monitored. folks returing to a looted home castle, where their loot is just ""magicaly gone", will make most folks not wanna play

[@terribletimmy2]

Virtually all servers (private and officials) don't have the ability to full zero someone btw. Raiding-wise yeah I suppose? But you can also play No-raid. Good private servers are OVERWHELMINGLY a better experience overall for people who don't like "no holds barred" server experience of officials. There are TONS of servers with anti-griefing/camping rules, and even servers with zero risk PvP (no durability loss) to just have fun and fight each other. Also, castle infiltration isn't a bug or exploit in any fashion. Secure your castle with walls on all sides and there's nothing anyone can do to even get in (depending on the castle plot) let alone get out.

[@stephenbrindisi4005]

As a new player, would I be at a disadvantage playing on a PvP server? Are there wipes or will everyone be way too far ahead of me to stand a chance?

[@terribletimmy2]

Honestly, maybe? but there are also some very inexperienced players in this game. You'd be in the majority if you started now.

[@darkvedge2]

to be honest, what would ruin my experience is me farming iron for 30 minute and get destroyed by four people. pvp look fun. but if you not as good as (you,timmy) are and got zero friend playing...its just farming for other ppl. and make ugly castle so ppl get lost in a maze. or make a cool castle that will get destroyed. good video. but pvp is not for everyone. and having an end game item (shards) you know you will never have the right to play with is kinda lame.

[@terribletimmy2]

Yeah I understand the risks for sure, but even just finding a squad server and being the designated base guy/farmer is actually really fun. Get some PvPers and use them as your body guards. Also, you don't need to be the absolute best player (not that I am anywhere near that) to compete on PvP servers as well. With shards being necklaces now, you and your squad can contest them more often. Overall yeah it may not be for everyone in the end, but there are SO many people I've talked to and had comments from that have never actually tried it, but instead have built up this idea that it will be a horrifically miserable experience at every turn and I think that's a shame because it simply isn't the case.

[@Jim-o4t]

Duo servers are for you then

[@eliabertoni4320]

Unpopular opinion: PvP is for maniacs who feel the need to feel stronger than others and have to prove it

[@terribletimmy2]

Life is PvP

[@charleshartlen3914]

it's not so much about needing to feel stronger than others, so much as desiring to feel stronger than previous versions of yourself. it can make you feel more alive, i suggest you give the pvp way of life a serious shot

[@thesoul777]

I know you were able to play a bit of the release beforehand? Is there any spells that you recommend using (that you are able to say)? Running chaos volley and blood counter/ward of the damned most of the game definitely got old IMO but a lot of spells didn't seem to really be strong until you were able to get good gems on them, and I know they streamlined spell progression that allows you to get them somewhat earlier supposedly. I ended up running void and discharge with axe incap most of the time but I'm not sure if that's viable anymore. Idk how it will be with the release but using like 1-3 weapons until super late game seemed to be the most logical due to the resources required to craft additional weapons.

[@terribletimmy2]

So unfortunately I can't say much now, but I can tell you I have a vid coming out on May 8th exactly that will talk about some of the biggest changes for Veteran players specifically to consider. Keep an eye out for it as I'll go into detail on spell options etc to give you an idea on some things to consider in that regard

[@joaquimbento692]

I want to start with PvP but I wish there was some progression guide I could check in written form. I know you have your spreadsheet, but to me at least it's kinda confusing to read.

[@terribletimmy2]

Yeah I get that. I have an updated spreadsheet coming for 1.0 as well and a video explaining the whole thing that I'll be posting when I can (after NDA). This is also why I did the Alpha to Adam series, and I will be doing the same once 1.0 drops, so stay tuned!!

[@zelge_]

Pvp survival is a niche, honestly. Most players like to hop on once or twice a week and make progress. Getting on and having lost everything is gonna lead to more rage quits. Also, personal MOBA still pvp not my thing. I like fps games and full camera control 3D games. Pvp tho is the "replayability" of force wipe, but only if you always swap it up. PvE has the same "replayability" in difficulty and single weapon on runs. Edit: my pov is a D2 casual that plays pve and pvp solo (ie solo when I can and queue with randoms if I have too, or to help new lights do dungeon etc) as a casual I farmed rank to platinum many for the triumph. In D2 I can see telling players to try pvp because you loss nothing and can just go right back to pve with no losses. In a game like vrising having forced wipe, rats and not having the time to play daily, there's quite a few reasons players stick to pve.

[@T86_redranger]

I believe if you are a casual player do not do Play PVP. I did do PVE twice and came back and my castle was gone ! Note you have to be carefull joining PVE servers ....some have adjusted rules I have decided to Play solo private world game and I am learning the game and having a great time. And I do not feel like I am pushed to play every day. To note this play very well on steam deck and plays very good with a controller support.

[@terribletimmy2]

Yeah keep in mind, I don't think PvE is bad by any means. I just REALLY enjoy PvP and I think a lot of people are daunted by it and think it will just be a crazy slugfest, when in reality, it's a pretty "customizable" experience and very fun

[@mas0ny149]

Do u have any advice over the best skill loadout for a new player? Furthermore I think something worth mentioning is that V arena has Jewels for the counter skills that makes them cc and it's a heavy dps window that 99% of arena players abuse (ice block freeze into slasher e into spear q etc). In the actual game we won't have these Jewels so I'm curious do u have any thoughts over a good skill loadout that that doesn't use Jewels? The only skill I've read that ccs without Jewels is the ice lance skillshot and the discharge counter (but I heard discharge is getting changed because that shits annoying with mace e)

[@terribletimmy2]

Vid coming on this soon, but I would highly recommend at the very least running 1 defensive spell at ALL time, in PvP and PvE. There are a couple bosses that are easier with 2 offensive spells, but if you're rolling in PvP, you NEED to be prepared for PvP at all times, and a Defensive spell will do that. Some of the best options are Bloodrite, Chaos Barrier, Frost Barrier, Phantom Aegis (better in PvP), Mist Trance, Discharge, and Lightning curtain. Bloodrage and Powersurge are also super insane, particularly with the right jewels. When first starting, I would suggest trying out Bloodrite + a damage spell and see how that feels. It's an EXTREMELY flexible spell/setup that I have run since the game launched and cleared someone the hardest PvE challenges with it.

[@mas0ny149]

@@terribletimmy2 interesting, may I ask why bloodrite? Is it just cause the sustain it gives? I think for pvp bloodrite is on the lower side for defensives right? Because it doesn't have any hard cc built into the skill for combos. So u have any recommendations for a damage skill? I'm thinking a counter (ice block) and blood fountain for a strong high sustain pvp build but ice lance also looks good for a ranged skill

[@terribletimmy2]

So the reason bloodrite is so powerful is it tends to be an direct 1 for 1 exchange MINIMUM for skills the enemy uses AND has the possibility of damage if they're close enough AND gives you invuln for a short while to reposition/close the gap a bit if need be. But where it really shines is when you have the right jewel on it. my personal favorite combination is: - Go invisible while immaterial (invuln): This is true invisibility and won't be broken when using an ability. This makes it hard for the enemy to react to what you're going to do, let alone follow where you're going. - throw daggers at enemies, dealing damage healing you and apply leech: This makes it easier to almost guarantee a punish to people at mid-long range and lets you heal up a bit as well - Next primary attack does bonus damage: This lets you counter someone, and then instantly "nuke" them with a GS or another powerful hit primary attack, and it can crit. I've had 70 damage primaries with this when I used a dash to empower my weapon even more and it crit. - and finally, either "increase immaterial duration" or "Increase damage" Overall, the spell is very good with nothing on it, but when it has the right jewel, it becomes absolutely crazy good.

[@kgeo2686]

Playing on an official PvP server. It’s as casual as it gets. It’s great and when I see people I get a good fight with minimal set back. Everyone is saying you have to skip stuff. You don’t. No PvP is just sad. It doesn’t feel right That being said, I won’t do full loot PvP again until I’ve beaten and enjoyed the game thoroughly and at a decent pace.

[@terribletimmy2]

Yeah man, this is exactly my experience. A death or 2 is kinda just whatever. The overall experience is WAY more fun imo though. and yeah, full loot is not my thing personally haha

[@rhettkennedy3507]

I really appreciate your commentary on this. I've found I don't like PvP however. I have over 1100 hours in the game, and I still can't get combos right, can't target correctly, etc. I've tried drills, practice, etc. They just don't go the right way (oddly I have good hand-eye coordination in real life, go figure). So I use dodging and area spells to get close, and nerf my bosses and up my spells so I have a fighting chance. I also like gathering and building cool castles more than fighting, especially with other people, as I like being friends with people more than having rivalries and being (in my view) rude. I make up scenarios where I try to do well and consider making vampire communities. I've started up an orphanage for people in the spider caves (nothing above 10% blood), a coven of frost vampire priestesses. etc. So I like to keep my stuff and PvP would just ruin that for me, and I've had to take advantage of another vampire on low HP, etc. In the end, I'm just a big softy. I'll challenge myself in other ways like not hitting peasants and only soldiers/monsters if they are in the way or giving my children vampires the nicest rooms and gardens. Being an undead vampire ain't easy. Yeah I know , weird for a vampire. So I just stay a lonely PvE Vampire.

[@terribletimmy2]

Honestly, you should check out the RP server. PvP when it makes sense and they do cool stuff like what you're describing as an entire server!

[@Sparta-vu3jj]

NOT HITTING PEASANTS!! wow that's incredible thx for sharing

[@rhettkennedy3507]

@@terribletimmy2 I appreciate it. I don't have a competitive bone in my body, I like intimate get-togethers. I could picture myself whittling away making castles and having tours. Maybe after 1.0 comes out I'll give it a whirl.

[@agentXIRYT]

@@terribletimmy2 oh, thank you so much for saying this! I just started out at V Rising (not counting 3 hours with my friend on a private server when the game was in the beginning of EA), and I actually noticed how the game is actually intended to be played in online PvP originally (the spawn protection, castle's heart durability, etc. and now also emergent events I haven't known about before this video), but was unsure if I'd like such a competitive experience with a chance of getting gatekeeped, teamed against, or simply griefed while I'm offline. If there are actual RP servers with reasonable PvP and castle raids, then sure thing I'll try it! Thanks again!

[@ElBandito-V]

Full Loot PvP For real mans!🐀

[@terribletimmy2]

Post it and I'll watch it, mi amigo! El bandito es muy gigachad

[@ElBandito-V]

@@terribletimmy2 I have done my legendary steal on Full Loot PVP. It's at the end of my first video. I hope Full Loots didn't die after 1 week as always. :(

[@terribletimmy2]

Oh I've seen them all haha hoping for more!

[@XoloQueue]

You just want more victims. LMAO love your videos! xD

[@XoloQueue]

@@terribletimmy2 same

[@Lockz1111]

I've no interest in pvp, the competition between players is not something I enjoy and I personally do not care for wipes in the slightest, it kills my motivation to play when I know my efforts will be removed after a set time. It's why I've not played since 1.0 was announced. As for your comment about there being nothing you can do in pve servers for resources, there's always servant quests, especially if the rewards are maxed in settings which probably should be the case in any pve server to reduce resource scarcity. All your points for trying pvp were the exact reasons I do not play it lol

[@terribletimmy2]

The fact that you have to host a custom server to get PvE settings that are semi reasonable is one of my biggest complaints for PvE personally. On top of this, there is nothing stopping someone from walking up to the node you are hitting and hitting it at the same time just because they don't care about you, or even standing in a boss area and scaling the boss without participation. You can literally steal people's soul shards in PvE after they finally downed the boss and there's nothing you can do about it. There's a lot more to PvP than simple competition for resources etc, and there's simply nothing like a PvP fresh wipe. Play how you'd like to though

[@Lockz1111]

@@terribletimmy2 I play solo on my own server, works well enough for me. I just don't treat it like a multi-player game most the time

[@malachiashley528]

What's wrong with 2 people hitting 2 nodes

[@terribletimmy2]

You're actively slowing me down and causing me to be gatekept by resources for the sake of getting your own stuff

[@theneyver3772]

I’ve never played on a pve server, I immediately started with pvp, it was painful, but interesting 😂

[@marcyy6192]

Glad to hear your thought on scrub mentality cause that just shows certain spells are better and will probably be gatekeeped also those people complaining and setting rules are the ones who will actually be playing this game and nothing else most new players will probably leave due to big clans like last time V-Rising was popping for a while

[@terribletimmy2]

Yeah I think it's always a really good thing to keep in mind. People tend to not understand the Scrub mentality much, and I thought I'd shed some light on it, especially for the players who are learning

[@yanlisito]

What day do server reset??? Is their a specific day ?

[@terribletimmy2]

officials are like 1 mo or 3 mo. Check the official discord.

[@user-c4b9b]

I don't have time in my life to play PVP with strangers anymore, in anything other than a COD 6v6 or the rare Escape from Tarkov raid. Sure PVP games are cool, and the soulshard feature seems neat - but I'm not going to even try to keep up with how sweaty games have become since covid man.

[@terribletimmy2]

I get it, but I honestly believe that 99.9% or people who look at the PvP in the game don't fully understand what the experience is like. I think if you only have like...1hr a day, then PvP is not for you. But if you have 2+ hours that you play a day or every other day, then it isn't anywhere near as bad you would think. You can get crushed, but it isn't just non-stop blood baths all the time, especially if you find good no-wipe servers with communities. Also, 1.1 update will have dueling on PvE servers, so def give that a try

[@thew1ngman]

The problem with PvP is that survival games arent good pvp games. Every PvP interaction ends up with a winner or a loser. Except in these games losing sets you back which makes it easier to lose again. All of the best PvP games on the market today always place you on an even footing when you start a new match. If I go to the iron mine and get killed I lose my copper weapon and my armor, so now I have to go back to the previous zone to regear. Or spend loads of time making multiple sets. It extends playtime but not in a good way. Before you say just join a server that has specialized settings/etc, if I keep doing that I'll just end up back in PvE anyways. PvP in these games always boils down to a game of monopoly.

[@terribletimmy2]

So what you're describing is Merciless PvP. No one plays merciless in this game anymore these days for the reasons you're describing. Most servers you lose a total of ~12% of your gears durability (in the form of materials) and the other items in your inventory. If you get killed over and over and over, then yes you're items can break, but in that instance, you can just repair them. Or, you can just go back to base after the first death and repair then if you'd like. There's also the inverse of what you're describing. Fight hard against other players, kill THOSE players and now you have a giant chunk of mats to either massively boost your progression, or save for later when you get killed so you can just immediately repair with no issues. It's a tug of war, and nowhere near as bad as you are imagining. The only change in 1.0 is that now the Shards are necklaces you wear, and they WILL drop on death in PvP (so just hold onto your other necklace and you're good to go).

[@shimmashome7491]

doing pvp,played at early launch and it was booming but quickly dies once the strong dominate the weak and the weak either rage out or go in hiding. 1.0 will prob be the last biggest surge we will see in a long time

[@terribletimmy2]

Could be, but also with shards being necklaces, we could at least have more opportunities for pvp storylines, instead of just "haha we got the shards and you can't have them" like it currently is.

[@shimmashome7491]

@terribletimmy2 yeah the dhards were annoying i never went for them by myself. My playstyle is to run on 4 team servers and skirmish my fights during opposing clan battles. Its fun too me and highly not honorable in the skightest but the rush is great and reactions are addiciting.

[@shanbazall]

Played on official duo pvp server at launch. During the first 2 weeks the dominant duo raided the whole server to dust. After that they left the server cause there was no challenge. 2 more weeks passed and the server had barely 10 players. Ppl had moved on to other things. Thats when I quit the game.

[@shimmashome7491]

@shanbazall yeah its hard to keep a server pop going when a clan is dominating hard and making people quit. I almost wish that were was a limit of how many characters you could have for pvp so people wouldn't keep hopping servers.

[@shanbazall]

@@shimmashome7491 I was actually avoiding raiding others because the server was already dying. Didn't want them to leave and the server to die. But it happened anyway. Also there isn't much to do in the game after reaching max level, so if the pvp isn't the right balance of reward and frustration, ppl get bored and leave.

[@Erik1495]

Can You really solo pvp?

[@terribletimmy2]

The majority of my time in this game has been solo

[@yuukizaki3163]

I tried pvp servers before gloomrot. Aside from griefing, gatekeeping and camping, I need to invest a lot of time practicing, watch guides and look/join fresh server instead of actually playing the game. So yeah, thank you for your effort in making this kind of video but apparently not everyone will have a good time playing on a pvp server if he/she can only play a few hours a day or even in a week. Cheers!

[@terribletimmy2]

There are servers that entirely mitigate everything you're talking about. It's fine if you don't want to, but the point of the video is to get people to try something they haven't. you do you though

[@EPKKC]

I'm not much of a pvp person. Hopefully, theres gonna be good pve servers. Some more days to wait!!

[@hanhani1041]

any solo pvp server recommendation? EU and NA

[@terribletimmy2]

Not sure about specifically solo PvP servers at the moment, but if you keep up with the official discord, I'm sure some will pop up

[@eninja8152]

I feel like im the only one who feels this way but the only part i dislike about the arena pvp is everyone is always weapon swapping between like 9 weapons. I do arena to practice for PvP server bc i love pvp but i feel like the situations will never happen in a PVP server. It will be so so so so late into the wipe until I'm at the point where i will even be taking out 4 weapons all at once let alone 9. So i try to practice with only 1-2 but then everyone is still using 9 and i can still get good practice but i wish there was a mode for like only 2-4 weapons max for real pvp practice. P.S this video is amazing and everyone should try pvp, and most importantly if you die its not the end of the world just strap in and start gearing up again losing your gear while only in copper or even iron is nothing and can be recouped in a couple of hours and i find this is where most people quit and kill servers.

[@terribletimmy2]

Yeah I get that. V arena can be super daunting. There's nothing wrong with starting with 2 weapons, and honestly in the beginning of 1.0, you'll probably do just fine with them if you have a lot of experience. I will say though, if you can manage 4, the difference is HUGE with not a ton of practice. My buddy in this video went from 1 weapon to 4 semi-comfortably in 2 hours. The amount of payoff you get from that small amount of investment is huge, and if you're already comfortable with 2 weapons, you can for sure handle 4 very quickly. Anyways, thanks for the kind words!

[@eninja8152]

​@@terribletimmy2 Yea i enjoy and perfer the using all 9 weapons for arena combat and can somewhat handle it i mainly stick to around 4 for a time then switch to others for specific combos. Issue that I'm saying is for a PVP server its not that its hard to handle its hard to craft D: if I'm looking to practice open world pvp for a wipe i never see my self running 4 weapons unless I'm stacked on gear esp when i got to get some gear to my team as well and if all 4 of us want 4 weps than DAMN! that's a lot of matts xD i also do full loot so if we die it go poof. Like almost everyone in arena uses crossbow including me bc i like to juggle ranged and melee but in PVP server i feel like i never craft a crossbow except for base defense xD

[@Eddy_Stylez]

Does PvP really boil down to just racing other players in this game? I enjoy PvP for the fights themselves rather than racing others to a progression finish line. I like to take my time, chill, play at my own pace. Is PvP in this game still going to be for a player like me? Also; is it even worth bothering with PvP if you are solo? I can only imagine how annoying it would be to progress on a boss when anyone can just run up and 1 tap you lol

[@terribletimmy2]

It is for sure. The fresh wipe experience and racing other players is super fun, but absolutely NOT a requirement.

[@fernandosaldanhaa]

I never played PvE, i'm almost 600h of V Rising, and i think i'm just going more and more because of PvP

[@xithyl515]

Sweaty Try Hard With No Life: "iTs fUn tO RaCe pEoplE oN wIpE" If you have an actual life with a full time job and a social life, you won't be able to keep up with the sweatiest of people on these servers. You'd have better luck on a low pop Rust server for the same experience.

[@terribletimmy2]

"I tYpE lIkE tHiS bEcAuSe It MaKeS mE fEeL lIkE I KnOw WhAt Im TaLkInG aBoUt" Clearly very VERY clueless about pvp in this game, but feel free to continue being as confidently incorrect as possible

[@xithyl515]

@@terribletimmy2 Exactly! I DONT know anything about pvp because pvp in these sort of games is a constantly devolving meta of try-hards who have nothing better to do than to master to key-binds and macros to whoop filthy casuals like me. Any survival pvp survival of any game is dominated by sweaty try hards like you.

[@Sparta-vu3jj]

will I play PvP? probably not, but still inspiring non the less :) funny thing is you didn't mention solo's? or was the whole video about just rocking solo. The reason I don't play pvp is I don't want to play alone. Therefore if I am playing alone why not just play on my own server with the added settings that I like. Also the PvE in the game is amazing.

[@terribletimmy2]

So I play a LOT of solos on duo (and even squad) servers, but I get it's definitely daunting. If you're interested in Duoing though, check out the discord and squad up!

[@flibbernodgets7018]

I had a really bad experience with Battlerite pvp, still kind of reeling from that. I love the combat style of these two games, but the type of people it attracts aren't fun to play with.

[@terribletimmy2]

Yeah there can be idiots in these games.

[@kingofmyownmind458]

Very great points. But I feel like there is magic in discovering something new for the first time. Lets say some of us really go for pvp server and the time comes for us to move to the new location. Since it an endgame zone, I'm afraid of fullgeared people who grinded before you already farm there. You try to find the mats you are looking for and they are all gone. You are looking for next V blood unit, only to find the location looted and boss dead. Now imagine you make it to dracula and as you enter his castle you see him downed and people already sucking him - "I guess I'll join sucking him too". Kinda immersion breaking if you ask me. This is why I'm going for solo mode first, discover what the real endgame is like, and once im finished I will definitely go for pvp.

[@terribletimmy2]

Yeah if you're wanting a strictly solo experience, that's for sure the way to go

[@kgeo2686]

I think if PvP scaled in some way, it would be perfect. Last time I played I just got ganked by high levels camping Iron mines over and over lol

[@terribletimmy2]

I highly recommend you check out some established community servers! They have anti-griefing rules that give level ranges to the players you're allowed to kill. Usually around a 10lvl difference, which should be winnable in the majority of cases.

[@kgeo2686]

@@terribletimmy2 Wow that sounds great! I think I’ll do that. Whatever the case, I can only play with PvP. The thrill alone is amazing.

[@vortexcv]

Hey Timmy! I got to know your channel a week or two ago only, enjoying the playthroughs and the pvp a lot. The problem i have is that i am from asia but the official and even other servers (china/japan) are too far from me, i have terrible ping on any online server. I tried joining pvp servers a few times but theres like 2 sec delay after clicking a button. I am afraid that it would be viable for me only if stunlock added more servers spread across asia too. Ig playerbase from asia is little hence its not economical for them, but for now i can only play solo, if they increase servers in asia for 1.0 then its good or its again back to solo for me lol!

[@terribletimmy2]

Hey there! Welcome! How's your ping to OCE/Australia region? Also I think there's actually a V Arena server right now in Asia! I may be wrong on that though. If there is, you should give it a try! It does make sense that bad ping = bad PvP experience though. I remember pre-gloomrot I would play on Bloodthirst in EU, and even just 150 ping could be very frustrating.

[@vortexcv]

@@terribletimmy2 OCE and autralia are also far for me. I will try the v arena server today but 150ms feels too good of a ping for what i had lol. And also any servers remotely near to me were all empty. But yeah for me basically server distance is the blocking factor.

[@terribletimmy2]

That's rough. I do think there were some Japanese/Korean servers when gloomrot launched though! I remember seeing some clips from one. Hope you get more!

[@fakenickib6245]

Sounds to me like the #1 PEAK WAY to play. Is with some homies, 2v2in, or if you’re lucky 4v4in. Edit: this is confirmed by seeing the combat. I just dont wanna compete for EVERRYYYYTHIIING ALLLL THEEE TIIIME. Maybe i should try low pop.

[@terribletimmy2]

Low pop or solo custom server

[@cledon.]

I dont think if u are a noob that u should play pvp, i'd rather learn all the mechanics on pve before i enter pvp where i have to compete with other ppl now Also I dont think going alone is fair, some ppl really enjoy hunting in packs and finding targets that are most likely not gonna be able to defend themselves, like single players. And having to rely on server rules has its limits, loopholes can be found. in PvE you can meet ppl and maybe join pvp later, or any other alternative way to meet some ppl that will be willing to make a clan with u in pvp.

[@terribletimmy2]

Eh, idk. I think if you have any interest in playing PvP, then I would say just join a PvP server and experience it. There's a lot to learn, but that's kind of part of the experience haha

[@zedthemonk8931]

Losing your inventory on death is S Tier punishment.. dev should find different punishment system, “ in souls game you lose your souls but not your inventory

[@zedthemonk8931]

I get all your points, 100% pvp is way more fun, interacting with humans is way more interesting than mobs

[@terribletimmy2]

Kind of just depends on how you want to play the game. There's 'lose entire inventory' and just 'drop what's in your bag' Overall though, PvP offers so much more than PvE for me, regardless of how you play

[@legendaryone696]

For me, i guess im trying to understand the point of pvp in v rising. In solo i can explore, build my castle, fight bosses, farm what i want, go to work like an adult human and pick it back up when i have time. So what does the pvp give me that pve doesn't 😆

[@terribletimmy2]

You can do all of this in pvp. You just also get more player interactions and more emergent gameplay.

[@Jablinky]

Now everyone needs to give merciless full loot pvp a try, its way more rewarding and IMO as long as everyone doesn't give up it can make the server progress slower and have more longevity

[@terribletimmy2]

I did it pre-gloomrot and it was fine then IMO. The issue for me is it just makes grinding an insanely large part of the game, especially when you're wiped at higher tier gearscores. Will be interesting to hear your thoughts with it in 1.0

[@Jablinky]

yeah, I've played full loot every fresh wipe since launch. The grinding is the fun part (but I get it), also you could plan a revenge raid or camp a boss you know your enemy is going to fight. And late-game servants get MOST of the mats you need. Plus if I kill someone with a higher gearscore, I don't only want the mats they had but also the gear they wore. Hoping full loot will be popping for 1.0 because that's all I'm gonna play. Love to see promotion to pvp in general though, great vid.

[@terribletimmy2]

For sure I can see that. Stuff may change with 1.0 so I may need to give it a try again. More to it than I realize. Overall, I just want more people to PvP and realize they can enjoy it quickly and not after 100 hrs in v arena

[@FallenFromGlory]

I did have a lot of fun killing high lvl players on full loot back in legacy, but with the gutted skill ceiling etc it just feels really rough since 50% of the time spent is pve- and we're playing pvp for a reason.

[@ForrestFox]

I want a pvp lite server, where players cant loose their gear/stuff when killed, and siege battles where castle hearts and containters cant be destroyed or looted. I'm all for PvP for the fun, but the griefing part where people clean a castle just because the owners was at work, or a group of four gank on one sole players and looting all his gear, thats no fun imho and only people with shitty personalities find that fun to do

[@terribletimmy2]

So no one really plays merciless these days, which is what you're describing. Something that might also interest you are servers with no durability loss on PvP death. You can smack each other to your hearts desire

[@ForrestFox]

@@terribletimmy2 What can I say. The older I get, having a full time job and all that, the more I value my free time on games that dont feed griefers and steals away my precious gametime :D

[@terribletimmy2]

Totally get it!

[@mithranruwodoalvisbeseitri9811]

I disagree, you should definitely try PvE first to learn the game rather than go blind into PvP. Some of the sections as I just picked up the game are difficult especially on hard-core. You should definitely first complete the PvE before jumping to PvP if anything just to know your play style and discover the best routes to take with the RNG of the game. I'm still only in act 4 personally and Frostmaw still gives me trouble from time to time on the first encounter where I scrap a world

[@terribletimmy2]

Don't really agree. Plenty of people start in PvP servers. Whether or not you can beat all the PvE doesn't really have much to do with experiencing the other side of the game

[@just_shipwreck]

this is a big bait for 'raid day' when you're not online.

[@terribletimmy2]

Hahaha go for it

[@steamavila1818]

Issue for me with PVP in this type of games its that I hate the idea of somebody else destroying my base, I'm the type of person that likes to spend time decorating the way i want, then just for some dude to come and delete it? nah thanks, So I prefer not to take part in pvp, I did the same thing last game I was playing Conan exiles and some other pvp base building games xD

[@terribletimmy2]

Not really a big issue in this game since unless you play on a server where they can destroy your heart, you can just heal the whole castle. Or play on a No Raid server and problem solved!

[@Bromag118]

I absolutely love the pvp in this game. But the pvp community is incredibly toxic.

[@terribletimmy2]

Hmm are you EU or something? NA has been almost entirely fine in my experience, but idk about EU

[@FallenFromGlory]

@@terribletimmy2 EU is fineee, unless you play on officials (and bad ones at that)

[@terribletimmy2]

Yeah I figured. I used to play bloodthirst in pre-gloom and it was fine for me

[@mrsundaymorning]

You should try New World. It's even worst.

[@terribletimmy2]

Tried it a bit. Couldn't hold my interest, but I had just come off of a different mmo

[@FallenFromGlory]

I really dont think youre describing the scrub mentality correctly. Whining is one thing. Refusing to use it because "honour" or whatever is completely fine. I don't play aegis because it's simply too strong for me to enjoy playing, I can beat people who are much better than me with it etc, but I don't whine against people who use it (unless they couple it with mosquito, fuck them :P. This is the one example where you're wrong about being able to choose what you fight in ow- mosquito is so bad at getting kills it can help people escape.)

[@terribletimmy2]

I think you're misunderstanding. There is nothing wrong for a person to decide they don't want to use something because they don't like it or w.e. you may be at s disadvantage, but that's just up to you. Nothing wrong with crafting your own playstyle, (even if you're leaving advantages on the table) if that's what you want to do. What I'm saying is if you are whining about someone ELSE using something that gives them a competitive advantage, then you are suffering from scrub mentality. If I rage at someone because they're using Aegis Bloodrage or double counter or w.e, regardless of if it's legitimately OP or if I think it's "cheap", then I am a scrub and need to gitgud...unless I have no interest in winning That is the scrub mentality. And there are a ton of people suffering from this heavily in this game. And my point is, don't let them decide for you what abilities you're allowed to use.

[@MrProbstandrew]

ur visual, showing u useing "tricks", to get into folks Castles/bases, and steal their stuff, might not be the best way to encourage new folks to try out pvp servers! (specially not straight away). I know thats what makes me not wanna jump into pvp servers right away.. knowing that are prolly multiple "tricks or exploits", that will give others an unintended or unexpected advantage over me. i like how the Castle and Raiding system is, but worried that i will get "offlined" cuz someone knows a good trick, that i dont know of.. And V Risisng does actually seem to have managed that all very well, without being a game like Rust f.e. but bugs and exploits can ruin alotta fun (maybe not for the one doing em) i hope V Rising has a halfway "Fair" PvP and Raiding scene, and they patch or solve bugs n exploits quick. (And yes, i know jumping up over cliffs to get in Castles is or was also Possible with Toadform etc, but at least u had to earn that first, and its known and its mobilty can be managed. but useing the jump off the Horse? i bet u going around stealing from all those bases made a bunch of them quit frustrated, with them not even understanding what happened)

[@terribletimmy2]

Well you could take this info and immediately realize "huh, that's how they could steal my stuff" and then add an additional wall to either side and problem solved. None of these are exploits. Horse jumping is an intentional choice by the devs. Putting a single wall/door to "defend" a base is not enough, and it makes sense that it isn't. No one is going to know everything about this game the first time they play it, especially not on PvP servers. It is fun and rewarding to learn and get better and then experience a side of the game that simply isn't there for PvE.

[@JacksonNL90]

Its 15 min protection pvp

[@terribletimmy2]

Standard, It's 30 minutes

[@SageLykos]

Because of this I'm thinking of starting to learn the game on a no raid pvp. I like torturing myself lol.

[@SageLykos]

Just don't think I'd cope with my castle repetitively getting taken down.

[@terribletimmy2]

Makes sense! No raid is totally fine

[@LCInfantry]

PvP survival games require you to no life play to defend your work. It’s just not a fun experience being off lined… especially when outnumbered and out geared. YOU ARE at the mercy of other players. Played enough with Ark and Conan exiles.

[@terribletimmy2]

This is not true for this game. There are raid windows outside of which your castle is safe

[@rodneybrown2647]

Team pve

[@Gutlard]

I was heavy pvp for a long time. Now I'm just a pve guy. My twitch skills are shit now which helps m e stay away from pvp also...ha

[@SNONYM]

I want to play pvp but I think it’s difficult coordinating with waiter to be on at the same time

[@Chrisdawg5555]

is this ai generated?

[@terribletimmy2]

The Thumbnail? Yeah it's 2 images that I stuck together.

[@Chrisdawg5555]

@@terribletimmy2 okay thabks for video

[@Sk0lzky]

Mfw I only see pve as the necessary evil to get into pvp kekw

[@Eulinger8000]

The weaponswap meta seems so offputting, yikes.

[@terribletimmy2]

It can be daunting at first, but it's not really that difficult to learn, and is extremely rewarding.

[@Eulinger8000]

Maybe it is. But personally, it seems super sweaty to me. Weapon swapping is also susceptible to macroing, which is why I think it's bad game design. Have they ever said anything about that in their dev blogs? I haven't read all of them. Anyway, thanks for replying. :O)

[@317cmrogers]

Yeahhh..nah😅 if I get killed and lose resources or have them stolen, I'll just sit the game down. Don't have a lot of time in the week to play, and griefing is just the worst imo. Though I think a combat arena to face other players in PVE would be fun