Why I won't buy a Miller Multimatic

I love my blue welders but miller has left out the aluminum welder in the multimatic line up.
#moretweco #millerwelds #builditwithblue #buildwithblue #welder #fabricator #everlastwelder #lincolnelectric #aluminum

[@larryvollmar8763]

I was in the same boat. Engine Drive on my mobile rig is a Lincoln. Was running a Miller machine That went down and I was looking at three months to get it fixed. I bought an Everlast and it is awesome. I now have three Everlast machines. The Lightning 275 for $2500 will do AC/DC and pulse Mig and tig. 1/4 of the price of a dynasty. Five year warranty. Fast turnaround on repairs and excellent customer service

[@dtucker1992]

Thank you for making this post I agree 100000. Please miller listen to this man we all want it.

[@fawkyooo7377]

I almost just sold my GreenMachine255 and my MillerMatic252 to puchase a Multimatic 255 i didnt even notice it doesnt do AC TIG! Thanks for the heads up i wont be upgrading maybe ill go look into the darkside [Lincoln]

[@grantlincoln5070]

Won't find it with Lincoln either. Especially not lincoln

[@Roadglide2020.]

I own a millermatic 220 and I bought a CK denz adapter so I can use a water cooled tig torch. Best most versatile welder i have ever owned. I'm actually getting pretty good at welding aluminum

[@DustinApple]

Glad it works for you. That machine doesn't have enough duty cycle to run on AC very long unless you're only doing small thin parts. Probably be good for mobile aluminum repairs though.

[@garybrown9719]

I put 3 pounds of wire through my 215 And the board died $1000 for a new board is more than I'm going to pay I'm getting the Prime Weld 285 will do everything I need

[@chele-chele]

I love the 285, it's a workhorse and a bargain!

[@jamesrobbins2708]

Great video, but you forgot to mention something else Miller does, back before pre pandemic BS the Millermatic 255 (mig only) machine was selling for about $2800 and was on sale for just less than $2400. I was going to buy one to replace my MM210, but instead bought a Lincoln Squarewave tig machine since I already had a mig welder and figured I'd buy the 255 later. Well now it's later and the MM255 is over $4k, whichI get it inflation. However, that's a 67% increase in price. Inflation sucks but it ain't that bad. Btw the same Squarewave tig machine is available right now for $1900 after the rebate. Miller alway does this, they jacked up the price of the 350p after it was out a while. Oh well, looks like my next machine will be green just like a lot of folks, far more features, better pricing and from what i read good to great service.

[@DustinApple]

That's exactly why I made that video. I had planned ahead to buy the 255 at 2700.... before I did I bought a $2800 push-pull alumapro to go with it..... 3 months later both shot up in price $1000..... I made this video then sold my alumapro gun for $3200 .....this 🤌is why Blue sucks!

[@chele-chele]

@@DustinApple I hear ya man, I've always been a fan of the blue but when I saw the pricing on the dynasty's now I damn near swallowed my tongue! For $2500 you can get all and more in other well positioned brands and even if it shits the bed in 5 years, you are still way ahead of the game.

[@brocklagunas3055]

Been welding with Miller for 20 years both personal and professional. I have never had a single problem with a Miller welder… EVER. I’ve used Everlast. I’ve used Hobart. And yes even Vulcan. I agree, features might be lacking in certain areas. But the reliability I’ve gotten from my Miller is the one feature I care about and is why I’ll dish out the cash for their products.

[@Enonymouse_]

The newer multimatic 255 with the digital screen, its my first miller. My first mig machine as well, I like it a lot! It's easy to read even at a distance (my eyes are not getting better), and user friendly enough even a nooblet like me can do some workable welds while I improve on my technique. It was not without a few challenges though, it had a glitch that I had verified with miller and my local airgas reps that I purchased it from. Nobody could explain why it did what it did, but works fine now. The glitch: Welds fine in all auto modes, but in mig it would not initiate arc while in manual. It only activated wire feed ang triggered the gas solenoid. I didn't discover it for a while because being new, I used the auto modes a lot. When I showed it to a very experienced welding friend of mine just before I was about to pack back into its box to return, it started to work the way it should. Solid interface, and reasonably user friendly even for a person new to welding.

[@glennpearson2943]

Love my everlast 255 ext. tig welding beast. I may be buying a 251 millermatic this weekend.

[@ed_1969]

So this was a video just about YOUR needs and what YOU want. Almost like if this was only ment for Miller to see. The title did say why You won't buy a multimatic so I can't complain. I have a multimatic 220 and I'm happy but I only work on my car and in my garage with it.

[@strayedarticle7666]

I agree miller could offer more options for their midrange welders.The generics have all the options and their prices didn’t go way up because of the pandemic.As soon as esab,Lincoln and miller hears the government was sending out $1200 checks,they added $500 to the price tag.

[@russ9897]

I’ve used several welders in the past mostly Lincoln but never a Miller until recently. I bought a MillerMatic 141 for a small garage welder and have been very impressed with how it welds. I’m only using it for 1/8”-1/4” mild steel but based on its performance I’ll probably buy a more powerful Miller when I get my shop built.

[@billjones6124]

Why you shouldn’t buy a Miller. I’ve had nothing but problems I’ve started out with small welders cheap ones and worked my way up to what I thought was my dream welder or Miller and I’m telling you all the welders I went through there is not much of a difference they all weld the same it’s the welder itself or person!

[@JohnnyBravo02]

What model was the Miller? Your statement is half true. I have a titanium mig140 and get amazing welds from it but my Esab 215ic still blows it out the park without question. Yes the welder matters but a better machine does make a difference

[@garybrown9719]

My miller 215 is like brand new barley been used, fan comes on but the screen is dead and no wire feed very disappointed😢

[@HondaCrf450r.]

Your full of shit young man I've never had a problem with my Miller welder 220 255 and 355. 0 problems.

[@dbej8606]

I’ve got a millermatic 355 aluminum pkg and an everlast typhoon 330. That’s the best setup I’ve found for the price. Everlast tig machines are great. Their MiG machines aren’t on the same page yet

[@billjones6124]

You can have my Miller 235 MP !I’m switching to a real welder! Eastwood MP AC/DC True multi process . Heavy duty and I mean that! You never have to unhook anything ever process has it own port mean leave no changing anything. My son bought one and he’s happy no problems

[@RCREVIEWS101]

Check out Everlast.....I have two MIGs, TIG and Plasma from Miller....when you need parts, they cost too much for what they are, you pay for the Brand Name really, quality becomes shady over the years.

[@leekazan556]

I agree. Longtime Miller guy but who wants Blue when Green, Red, Yellow and White get the job done and save your wallet!

[@33736]

I think it's a marketing thing that they don't give you "everything" in one welder. I wanted a 255, but I just went with the 220 for the AC Tig.

[@DustinApple]

But they give you "nothing" all their Multimatic welders don't come with anything accept the mig gun. Only multiprocess if you buy multiple attachments. Witch is BS

[@HondaCrf450r.]

What's so special about ac tig?

[@shonuffisthemaster]

idk man, no one who is a serious welder is going to be looking at a multiprocess machine imo. if you want to tig weld, get a tig welder. if you want to mig, get a mig, if you need both, get both. its not millers fault that multiprocess machines are inherently a compromise.

[@matterrend2802]

Fronius just announced the iWave 300 series which sounds like it offers everything that you want. AC TIG with all of the advanced pulsing and multiple wave shapes combined with advanced pulsed GMAW.

[@DustinApple]

I'll send a info request. Hopefully it goes better than last time I tried to reach out to them.

[@jeffgenchi5863]

I was in a similar boat. I ended up going with the Miller 220 because I needed the AC Tig. I then got a spool gun 150 for quicker aluminum welds. Overall I have been very happy with the 220. But it is not a push pull. I hope you get what you need. I thought about everlast but I can't stand China products. Lol

[@clintcowles7563]

Everything is China friend. Everything.

[@jeffgenchi5863]

@@clintcowles7563 I understand many components are outsourced, however, I am referring to assembly and capability of repair. I can get anything too fix it. All the full Chinese machines seem to have no or limited parts to repair if needed.

[@ShainAndrews]

@@jeffgenchi5863 You should pick a different company to bash on then. Everlast is modular and reparable. Worst case scenario you pull a board and cross ship. It's the pressure from these new brands that got the big three (Lincoln, Miller, ESAB) to get off their ass.

[@jeffgenchi5863]

@@ShainAndrews I mentioned Everlast butt because they cannot be fixed. But when I was shopping I found the welding shops were having issues getting the parts. May have been from the pandemic. I get that. But there were no issues getting miller parts at that time. I am sure there Chinese Everlast do the job. I stand behind what I said.

[@jonathangarzon2798]

@@jeffgenchi5863 lol as a full-time welder in every shop there always seems to be a Miller in the corner rotting away. Miller is the best, until the warranty expires. They are single use machines tbh

[@billjones6124]

I went with a Eastwood 250 it’s no difference in performance plus you get high frequency tig start!and never had a problem! You want my Miller 255 you can have it!

[@eddied4969]

I bought a Miller Multimatic 255 from Baker’s Gas, and they advertised a Baker’s Bucks program that I would get $75 in Backer’s Bucks to spend at their store for every $1000 that I spent. They even have an example on the youtube video with Andy. “Example $3000 = $225 Baker’s Bucks”. After spending $6194.55 they issued a $100 gift card. Steve N’s position was basically that it was an old video. False advertisement is what it is. I wish Miller wouldn’t allow unscrupulous vendor’s to sell their products.

[@DustinApple]

I will not shop at Baker's. Multiple times I ordered consumables that they had backordered; basically selling shit they didn't have in stock to sell leaving me waiting for weeks without the product. If I buy online I usually go through IOC now.

[@MrSirjud01]

I love our 350p mig. A multimatic 350p would be awesome. The 220 sounds nice for the home shop, but with only 11 lb wheels and no water cooler not really ideal for industrial.

[@solomongreen6655]

You can hook up a water cooler in 5 minutes or quicker. Totally compatible and what’s the big deal about having to throw another spool of wire on to every single spool of the larger spools. It would be one thing if you had to put 3-5 spools on for every single industrial spool but I wouldn’t say it’s make it or break it even on an industrial job. Now If it wasn’t able to accept a water cooler that would be a understandable make or break decision. But the 220 puts out work for the part time/after hours fabricator in all weld application aspects of it!

[@MrSirjud01]

@@solomongreen6655 we run 33 lb spools, so it is a 3 to 1 ratio. If it indeed accepts an aftermarket water cooler than that would be great. Sounds like you are saying the same thing that it sounds great for the after hours/part time or what I said home enthusiasts. I run a shop where it would be used 8 hrs/5 days. Im still considering it however for our mobile welding, as right now we cannot do alum in the field.

[@chele-chele]

For 10K you can buy 4 comparable Everlast, Primeweld or HTC models, I cannot justify buying Miller anymore, they have priced out most tradesman and frankly, they are not 100% made in USA machines any longer so, I've made the switch.

[@DustinApple]

I now own a Everlast tig, AHP plasma cutter, & a HTP push/pull. And I 100% agree with you.

[@jaycleveland6910]

Have gas powered Lincoln ranger 8 and Miller aero wave and it’s all I need …..1000 dollars for ranger with 90 hrs….150 for Miller aero wave….all I need to weld anything

[@bigdogdc]

They offer everything you want it’s just gonna cost 20 grand

[@TYMWLTL]

So true. There is no middle ground with Miller.

[@tomking5822]

Omni weld has all three ac tig mig stick and spool gun

[@richhagenchicago]

I have been practicing Aluminum TIG with my Millermatic 220 it has AC and DC and Pulse for TIG, but I guess for you it does not have pulse MIG, the water cooled gun would be an add on. Might not be big enough for what you do anyway. I am just starting with aluminum, so I don't feel qualified to evaluate it adequately for you, but it does work with TIG and Aluminum. I love the other processes, and being able to conveniently switch from MIG to TIG to Stick. I would love to have a cooler TIG torch, but but I love the fact that I can put flux core in it, disconnect the gas cylinders, and take it out in the field and fix a fence too. I think you need a bigger version of this that already comes with a water cooled TIG Torch and perhaps a MIG gun for aluminum and of course that pulsed MIG that mine does not have.

[@DustinApple]

That's pretty much what the video is about. The machine you have is $3500 while the machine you described is $14,000.

[@richhagenchicago]

@@DustinApple Yes and for lack of a couple features. One of the reasons I picked this one was that it could TIG aluminum. I had a bunch of ultracapacitors with weldable ends that I wanted to put together in one of those 'round to it' projects. I think designing and building Aluminum boats would be rather interesting, and probably would really benefit from convenient aluminum MIG welding that did not melt through thinner material. I also would be rather hesitant to part with 14K just for that added capability.

[@jonathanreardon281]

I was just thinking the same thing the other day. I have an ac tig already, but if I'm buying a new machine it would be nice to have it as a backup

[@michaelhallas6450]

Those guys are running those machines for a reason Price Price Price . When everything is new ,it works good , then when these off brands break and need parts , it’s a whole different ballgame . Look it’s your money ,you can do what ever you want .Another problem with the off brands is that , not to many dealers around for parts & service . After ship whole machine back and then wait to get it back with damage. Everlast I like , Again call the 800 # for service and repairs .

[@christophermclaughlin8568]

Lot of people run green behind them because everlast will send a machine to anyone with a KZbin channel. But I absolutely understand where your coming from. Its almost like miller is doing this on purpose so you have to buy 2 of their machines if your a dedicated blue.

[@Borderweldingservices]

Apple does it with their iPads and iPhones. You can have data and FaceTime on an iPad but no cellular. They figure just sell 2 items instead of just 1.

[@unclerico1980]

Multimatic 255 runs a push pull no problem with pulse. I don’t think Miller wants to pull from their other lines and out it all into the price point these machines are in.

[@joequinn5777]

Check out the 220.

[@DustinApple]

Don't do push/pull or pulse

[@garykarczewski6678]

Thank you for your thoughts. I am debating on going with a multi-function Welder like the Miller Multimatic or just purchasing two separate machines. I am not a professional welder but am retiring (65) and thought of starting a neighborhood welding business from my home for repair and fabrication. Thoughts on owning two machines or a multimatic? The other machines I am looking at are HTP 221 Invertig and the Propulse 220 mig welder. HTP has a great sale now and the cost to purchase both machines is about the same as purchasing a new Multimatic.

[@solomongreen6655]

Go with the Miller MultiMatic 220 AC/DC hands down, no hesitation about it. It’s a very user friendly, high quality, and higher output welder for the things you’d expect to be doing and encounter as you learn and accumulate time under the hood. Being that you’re not gonna be doing any industrial jobs (which 200+ amps is plenty for most industrial work you’d likely encounter if you happen to run into it/or something that’s just beefier and needs more heat altogether which the 220 AC/DC will handle no problem) you don’t need much more than the output of what that machine provides. Do some research on it and literally write a pros and cons list next to the other 2 machines you’re interested in also and you’ll see that the 220 is all you need. Why spend just as much on two separate machines and have to have two carts or a heavier dual cylinder cart that you’ll have to stop and unplug the one welder to use the other if needed. The multimatic 220 is so user friendly that it has an auto set option which is the best gift you can ask for being a new welder. It also is capable of running both required weld process gas cylinders together being for mig your argon/co2 mix at the same time as solely argon gas cylinder for tig. You can pick up the mig gun and squeeze and weld them set it down and pick up the tig torch and strike an arc and it will pick right back up at the last setting you had it at. It’s convenient and smooth almost seamless in action which is huge if you decide to get two different machines you’ll under this very quickly Im sure of it. I’m a buy once cry once man when it comes to my toys and tools. Why buy a cheaper less functional welder you’ll need to replace for more involved projects should you find yourself getting into such jobs based on your skill progression when learning. It’s truly a machine you’ll die with being able to pass down to your loved one/one’s to use and get many more years out of it. It’s literally a industrial quality welder at a perfect output and level of compactness that trumps any multi process welder on the market. From high frequency start to switching weld processes at the push of a trigger to all of the features and capabilities it includes further more. I just got mine 3 weeks ago for my side business out of my shop at home aside from being a full time pipe welder and I could honestly bring it to work and out weld my industrial welder I use daily at work. I highly recommend you research the features and differences opposed to other inferior products. Good luck with your decision and may you pick up the hang of things quickly. It’s all about the experience and the peace through joy that it brings and gives you truly! Go Miller, for quality that’s killer! Cheers 🍻

[@melgross]

Ok,, so I don’t understand. You want push pull and AC TIG? You use both? Push pull MiG for heavy work and TIG for thinner work? How many amps do you need for either? I’m not that familiar with the Miller line. I use ESAB and are very happy with their machines. Everlast gives many of their machines to people on KZbin, instagram and other places. I don’t find the quality of their machines anything to write home about.

[@DustinApple]

Mig is for production work, tig is for precision. If you do very much aluminum you absolutely need both.

[@melgross]

@@DustinApple TIG is for production as well. It’s just a different area of production.

[@victorgallardo8576]

Do more research on the multimatic 220. I have that one and it does all my AC needs.

[@DustinApple]

It doesn't do pulse mig. I'm out.

[@gettygarrettable]

Dustin Apple What in the heck do you need pulse mig for?

[@DustinApple]

@@gettygarrettable for Aluminum.

[@LemonySnicket-EUC]

​@@gettygarrettablealso, you need to try pulse mig and you will see why.

[@gackleballsg2034]

Have a millermatic 255 and love it. Can’t tig aluminum very well with it

[@DustinApple]

Machine doesn't have AC its not gonna work.

[@imbrandon16]

I have a multimatic 255 at home as my personal machine, it’s great, but I do wish it had ac tig, it’s got damn near everything but ac tig… Miller knows gaw damn well if they made the multimatic 255 ac/dc it’d be the last mother fucking machine most of us would ever have to buy… I got the spoolmatic 30a but man fuck that thing, I want ac tig. Now I’m looking for a machine solely for ac tig, perhaps everlast 255 or a primeweld 225… idk

[@jacklowe3788]

Sure your right Good Info. Right there!

[@michaelsfabwork2985]

Great video and info as always. I have welded for 30 yrs and did it for a living for 26 or so of the 30+ yrs. I know there are a lot of welding machines out there. I have the Miller dynasty 300 and I have had it for about 8yrs and it works great. I don’t know how to use all the settings on it but I do like it. But for the stick, mig, dc tic I use a 211 I thermal dynamic and it gets the job done. Long story short I wish I could give my 2cents on other machines but I can’t. But I know there are some good options out there that don’t break the bank but like you said it will take 2 machines to get what you want. Good luck and I hope that company is listening to you and comes out with what you want. I’ll keep watching to see what you come up with. Take care and stay safe.

[@DustinApple]

The internet is a amazing place. After dropping this video I started a conversation with Michael Furick of all people. (If you know, you know) .... he turned me on to Fronius. Looking forward to see what all they have. A short introduction and my eyes are wide open. We'll see where it goes.

[@michaelsfabwork2985]

@@DustinApple that’s great. Please keep us up to date on what you find out. Take care

[@bleepblabloop]

What did you end up going with?

[@preachers4135]

@@DustinApple What did you choose?

[@stihlmanchainsaw8445]

Love the input and insight. Did you upgrade and if so what did you purchase?

[@DustinApple]

I've had a Everlast 255ext for 2 years. Still have my miller212 but I've got a HTP pro pulse 220 & a 25' push/pull gun ordered. Should be here in a few weeks.

[@jacklowe3788]

Right On! With you on that Mate!

[@joshualuukkonen5349]

I have an everlast lightning mts 275 with water cooled tig could also run water cooled mig and spool off it dual drive rolls on mig very versatile 250amp ac and 275 amp DC for the same price as a 220 multimatic

[@DustinApple]

I'm looking at the Everlast 253i and a Parker push/pull currently.

[@BRENT3143945]

Really wanted to like the miller 211 but couldn't

[@TYMWLTL]

We got the 225 too, and it sucks not being AC tig.

[@sivadyert]

It seems that there are plenty of other manufacturers these days as good or better than Miller. Have you looked into other products? I'm about to get a multi-process machine that does AC TIG and The Miller isn't in the running for me.

[@DustinApple]

I've bought a Everlast tig since this video & its a awesome machine. Might give them a look.

[@sivadyert]

@@DustinApple That's what I'm going for! Which one did you get?

[@DustinApple]

@@sivadyert 255ext with a watercooler it's straight tig but if it were blue it would have been double the cost with less features.

[@rodgerlogan]

Go Everlast Lightning 275. 'Nuff said.

[@rhondamagalis1384]

I'd do everything with a 200 Amp torch or a heavy hitter tig rig fuck all that coolant leaking and hose popping.

[@welding305]

well now there is

[@trace6402]

Your preaching to the choir. Miller is more concerned with the offering plate than the sermon. Two machines to cover all welding capabilities is more money in their pocket.

[@user-xk5xy6ln6x]

That’s why you should do your homework before buying. And buy the right machine, cause there’s a lot

[@JeffinTD]

As far as I know, home shop level Tig Mig stick machines that run ac/dc: there is Miller’s 220 multimatic, Esab has a Rebel 205ic, and there is an Everlast Lightning 225. I suspect all three are working on more powerful ac/dc mts type machines with more features. Apparently there is an aftermarket setup to run water cooled tig on the multimatic 220.

[@sloppyjonuts9162]

Lincoln tig 200 I just bought. Does ac/dc tig. Awesome machine

[@solomongreen6655]

You absolutely sure can run a water cooler on the 220 I do when I max out on the machine for bigger jobs every now and then. Miller shits on Lincoln in more than just one way. But I wouldn’t mind running a Lincoln as second best if I had to over anything besides Hobart.

[@boggster7605]

my multimatic 220 buttons that switch between mig/stick etc stopped working couple days ago machine is just over year old very frustrating.

[@rhondamagalis1384]

Those water cooled torches pop all the time they can't take the heat.

[@firehousefabricators2218]

Just ordered a Millermatic 255 after realizing the multi didn’t do AC. The MM220 is a hobby level machine for commercial price. Keeping my Lincoln SW200 for TIG i guess.

[@leeellisfabs]

I have been using a MM255 pulsed with the AlumaPro PushPull gun for about a year now and love it!!

[@BRENT3143945]

Bro buy the frounus trassteel 2200 it runs aluminium without a spoolgun 14ft gun

[@DustinApple]

I've tried to contact Fronius 3x over 2yr & they will never reply to my inquiries.

[@BRENT3143945]

@@DustinApple that's a shame

[@kingcobra7565]

great vid

[@eddiemickulas8424]

New to tig welding but looking for a rig that can do it all. What’s the perk of running AC over DC tig?

[@DustinApple]

AC is required for Aluminum.

[@carypipes]

Love my everlast

[@Michagan_outdoorsman_James]

you are asking a good bit just for one machine just bite the bullet and get a machine for each welding process that u can dial in very good. if i did any production tig id get a dynasty and never look back, for real though they have those green machines because they were free, if u and a handful of followers they would send you one i have heard nothing but horrible thing about there customer service too. i get miller aint the cheapest but when i called because i partially had no idea what i was doing they were great in helping me and did not even care that i did not purchase the machine new (i bought it used) they were awesome. build with blue, my friend

[@Adriatic]

What do you think of the HTP 2500?

[@DustinApple]

Have not seen one yet.

[@stanleymclain402]

I been looking at the weldpro 200 or 250. The 250 is currently is 1300 bucks and the 200 is 800 bucks. Have you had or heard any complaints about these machines.

[@DustinApple]

I don't know a thing about them. Customer service, warranty, available parts,, are far more important than initial price. Idk what your needs are but I doubt you're looking at anything very advanced. If you just need a good mig look at the millermatic 211 it's the most popular mig miller has ever sold.

[@strayedarticle7666]

Hey I got a weldpro 200,but I’ve only put about 30 hrs.I use ac tig only and attach schedule forty to 1/4 bar stock.Its ok.Welds look good,but I showed it to a friend who’s a pro and he says if I was gonna cheap out on a welder,I should’ve got the primeweld 225,because it’s got better arc stability.He does exhaust builds,so his welds have to be perfect,mine not so much.Another pro swears by the AHP but I already bought mine,so I didn’t ask questions.

[@jamessefton3680]

I agree 100%👍

[@Room_for_1_more_fruit_tree]

I end up wearing out both everlast tigs. They aren't meant for a real weld shop. Tig torches dry up real quick at 200$ and spray water everywhere. The pulse breaks soon after using them in a productive setting. The gas solenoid also is busted and wastes gas and they blow up instead of overload protection working. Everlast are disposable chinese junk.

[@DustinApple]

I've been using a Everlast powertig 255ext and a 375 procool for the last 2yrs daily with the same torch without a single issue. 🤷‍♂️

[@Room_for_1_more_fruit_tree]

@Dustin Apple the 325ext welds really nice but the pulse doesn't work now after sending back when something in it blew up one day. Was loud and smoky as heck 😆....I had to send back and needed a machine so I got the 315lx and now the gas solenoid doesn't close all the time.

[@lovernchristopher]

HTP ! Not made in China. Water cooled options and push-pull with pulse.

[@DustinApple]

I have a pro pulse 220 but a 7' lead is pretty useless around boat builds. But the spray transfer profiles have saved my ass more than once when I couldn't weld it with anything else.

[@leeellisfabs]

I had HTP spool guns on my MillerMatic 200 to do aluminum work for a few years. Couldn't`t get parts. Had to purchase complete new setup because of this. I went to a MillerMatic 255 push pull alumapro gun because of this.

[@carypipes]

What about everlast?

[@hometownguy7184]

Please explain why ac is needed

[@DustinApple]

AC is needed in Aluminum tig to break the oxide layer witch melts at 3500⁰ while Aluminum itself is only 1300⁰. The use of Alternating Current allows the arc to break the Oxide layer easily at about 1/2 the amps that would be required by only having DC. By adjusting AC balance you are changing the % of time the Arc is on EN. This will increase cleaning action or increase the Arcs ability to dig. AC is absolute control for Aluminum.

[@bearkawiboy6246]

@@DustinApple The Miller 220 does ac tig as does the Esab 205. Therefore they are capable of welding aluminum! The Esab has a insane amount of adjustments! Not understanding the issue.

[@DustinApple]

@@bearkawiboy6246 yeah you didn't pay attention. I was looking for a AC tig & a pulse mig in the same machine without spending $15k

[@LemonySnicket-EUC]

They want us to have to buy 2 welders.

[@DustinApple]

And I did... neither of them blue.

[@myakkaapof]

Is that LP tanks in the background in your shop?

[@DustinApple]

Yeah. For heat

[@SeamlessFab]

I mean…It’s a 12K account. I don’t think they give a fuck if you like their machine or not dude.

[@DustinApple]

Actually 1 week after posting this video I received a call about my specific needs from the midwest regional sales manager of Miller welds. This video was 18 months before the release of the 355 & I was begging him to make it ac/dc capable. Honestly I didn't expect to hear from Miller but we actually ended up having a hour long conversation about holes in the market of current offerings.

[@four0five107]

would you sell the 212?😅

[@DustinApple]

Yeah I would. Find my Facebook & send me a message.

[@thebaldmonk621]

Which AC TIG are you using ?

[@DustinApple]

Currently a Everlast powertig 255ext with a procool375

[@jkgkjgkijk]

They are too busy ripping off hobby welders with the 141.

[@bradbrinegar1419]

Any comment on a syncrowave 210

[@dustinhalat2484]

Multimatic 220 ac/dc tig, stick, mig?

[@DustinApple]

Doesn't do pulse mig

[@cdp50359]

Are you venting? 🤣🤣🤣

[@roymiller1673]

You need 2 machines partner

[@DustinApple]

I now own 3 machines because the industry doesn't fill my requirements. Dedicated mig & spoolgun, dedicated push/pull pulse mig, & AC/DC watercooled tig.

[@roymiller1673]

I have 9 and each one does what I need so I'm not switching around all the crap

[@roymiller1673]

The propane tank looks scary

[@garypostell5268]

HTP check them out !

[@asherdie]

Everybody wants their cake and eat it too

[@pickleball_tomorrow]

You seem extremely picky..😂

[@DustinApple]

Very little space to work with & I don't put my name on mediocre work so you're gawt dam right I'm gonna be picky.

[@engjds]

Just get a Fronius.

[@DustinApple]

I tried 2x. The sales team would not return my inquiries. I browsed their booth at Fabtech & nobody was interested in talking to me.

[@engjds]

@@DustinApple Thats shabby, I would expect good service, especially at those prices. You did right man.

[@robertsumma9157]

What do you run for your aluminum

[@DustinApple]

Millermatic 212 with 200 20' spoolgun and a Vulcan protig200 tig

[@solomongreen6655]

No hate but learn to weld in better depth and more understanding of your trade and specialty. You can get a multimatic 220, without costing you the money of a dynasty and or Millermatic. You should be able to to do without the push pull bs, if you learn to truly weld aluminum properly how your skills would demand of you if you did aluminum welding applications in the field as any other welder who’s at the level of guiding and welding boats as you seem to be capable of. Or like if you owned a business for a living and relied on welding on boats to pay the bills, forcing you to learn more deeply into all level of weld processes therefore you can say goodbye to the push pull nonsense and would be able to use that many more welders saving you from the whole point of this video not having a machine that included the easy way out that you prefer, when everyone else took the time to learn how to truly weld in every aspect and doesn’t need a whole yet to be invented machine. That’s just my way of looking at it. Learn all processes despite what may be simpler and the more options and machines you’re rewarded with being able to confidently run and sure of your ability to produce quality welds with the plenty of more than needed options there is produced by Miller which is the best brand in all aspects of welding from gloves to plasma cutters.

[@DustinApple]

Hi, you obviously just found the channel. THIS VIDEO IS 2 YEARS OLD. I build boats, weld Aluminum for a living, teach others how to weld Aluminum, & I'm a host for Weld.com. you obviously have had issues with push/pull guns before or don't understand their capacity. Your machine choices are going to stay limited & over priced if you think blue is the only option. For instance the 220 that you suggested would be a step down from my current 212 unless I needed to be mobile. While it's a fine machine it requires a change over with every process. It's also not water cooled so for AC it would burn itself down after 10min. On the tig side it's mediocre with minimal adjustments. Like all "multiprocess" welders, they don't to everything; nor do they do anything well. More like they are versatile machines capable of adapting to changing needs instead of providing a exceptional service for 1 set need. To compare: a 220AC/DC multimatic (currently at $4200) vs. a Everlast PowerPro 256si (currently at $1599) the Everlast cost 60% less, comes with a 5yr warranty, provides more welding output, & its a 60a plasma cutter. It's also upgradable to watercooled & would still be less than $2000.

[@patrickp588]

Get a water-cooled machine

[@DustinApple]

I did

[@jamesbarber9351]

You can't afford Miller products so y complain.Miller will not send you a free welder to please your attitude.

[@DustinApple]

😆 lol slow down princess. Nobody said I couldn't afford it, I said I wasn't going to spend 15k on 1 machine when 2 different machines will do the same thing & only cost 7k. & on the tig side why buy a 7k blue machine when a $3500 green machine is better? Maybe you're like the mechanic with 100k of Snap-on tools but says he can't make any money 🤔. Name brands don't make the achievements better but they definitely can effect your bottom line.

[@SquareBodyK5]

E A D

[@worldends2]

Miller problematics

[@veniaminmarchenko9540]

You wasting not just my time, and KZbin time as well

[@benemert94]

Miller Multimatic 220 AC/DC??? Duh

[@DustinApple]

Does not have pulse mig & it won't support a push/pull gun. Duh.

[@danielsplayhouse3804]

A millermaitc 220 is all you need to do.

[@DustinApple]

Does NOT have all the features I discussed in the video.

[@danielsplayhouse3804]

@@DustinApple the millermatic 220 I believe has AC/DC Tig w/pulse,stick and mig it's a multi-process machine I do believe your video that you're stating you're looking for a machine that has everything included. Me personally I picked up a primeweld TIG 225x AC/DC it does TIG and stick does everything I need to do and I have a chineseium MIG welder.

[@DustinApple]

@@danielsplayhouse3804 the Multimatic 220 ac/dc does NOT do pulse mig. It's only Aluminum mig capable with a 20' long 150amp@60%duty cycle spoolgun. Also to get the full capacity out of a $4k AC air cooled tig it will need to be upgraded with a water cooler. I bought a Everlast 255ext with a water cooler, 25' 230amp Flexloc CK torch & a wireless pedal for less than 4k

[@danielsplayhouse3804]

@@DustinApple definitely good choice on keeping the cost down that's the same way I am I got the prime weld Tig 225x with water cooler and CK worldwide flex lock FL 230 good choice in machine understandable to keep costs down Miller and Lincoln is way too overpriced.

[@zstang01]

Why not just use the 255s pulse mig for aluminum the pulse is great for thicker and even thin aluminum?

[@zstang01]

Please!