Why Injustice Superman Should NEVER Be Redeemed

[@IsaiahWayne2104]

The moment when Injustice Superman killed Billy Batson / Shazam was when I knew Injustice Superman was too far gone.

[@DiegoRants4now]

Nah man, it’s when he kills Oliver in the injustice prequel comics, that’s when he went too far

[@Fenris30]

@@DiegoRants4now Oliver broke into his house and shot his dad, any dude in America would have put him on a slab.

[@joshuahecht6866]

@@DiegoRants4now Superman lost control when he killed Ollie. Superman killed Shazam because he is in control and don’t want anyone to stop him.

[@Rhinoxsaurus]

Alright boys let's say the line " Is there any line you won't cross?"

[@bigmanjc6357]

​@@Rhinoxsaurus "I don't hurt children." ~ 🦸🏻‍♂️

[@IsaiahWayne2104]

The fact that Joker didn't receive capital punishment before Superman killed him is far beyond me.

[@Woah9394exe]

Agreed or the DC villains for that matter-

[@sirkit2105]

I mean, yeah. Comics gotta keep selling. In universe, joker is kept from being killed not because of “insanity plea” but because the powers that be don’t want him dead (e.g. suicide squad type of stuff)

[@terron7840]

@@sirkit2105 Batman won't kill him cause without the Joker and the other villains, Batman has no purpose. Likewise, without Batman, shit just wouldn't be funny anymore to the joker.

[@kevothegoat9891]

He was deemed to insane to be fully in control of his actions that’s why he was always being sent to the asylum

[@immersion726]

​@terron7840 Batman won't kill him because of his code. Under the red hood explains this perfectly, once you cross that line, there's no going back. Bruce knows that. Hence why Injustice is what it is, once that line is crossed, game over. you're done. You can't go back. Joker won't kill Batman because life without Batman is simply not funny. In the comics when batman has died, Joker has actually turned sane and left crime behind, reintergrating into society as a normal person. Their relationship is between them and them alone. Neither truly wants to be without the other. A lot of comics and adaptations have explored this. Killing Joke is probably the most famous, but Dark Knight returns is a great one too (that tunnel of love scene) as well as Batman Beyond return of the Joker (also why Joker doesn't really care about Bruce's identity).

[@josecuestas7246]

The worst part of killed Shazam, was the fact that just earlier to this, Shazam saved Superman from the Kryptonite weapon of Lex Luthor, making a cruel irony that Superman killed the man/boy who saved his life.

[@julez4002]

And just how did he save Superman's life by throwing lightning so when Superman grabs his throat why didn't he just zap him and what was the freeze breath about ...he was already powered up.

[@josecuestas7246]

@@julez4002 Well, during this scene, Billy wasn't transformed in Shazam yet. And when Billy tried to transform, Superman leaves his mouth frozen, to prevent that he could become Shazam, and kills him slowly with his laser vision.

[@AszkalonOfVerra]

_" _*_With great power comes the absolute certainty, that you will turn into a right c-... ..._*_ "_

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Superman: I draw the line with children Also him *Literally murders a child in cold blood with no hesitation*

[@ComicCasualVideos]

Yeah....

[@Fenris30]

Injustice Timeline has a five year timeskip Damien and Billy are the same age, if he is Nightwing then Billy is at least 18 by this point. If Uncle Sam can send you off to die so can Superman.

[@appleanapple1371]

Legally speaking Billy is an Adult if that's the actual age he was in the injustice game, but he's still a teenager which Iw an adolescent but that doesn't still excuse Superman from killing him in cold blood

[@immersion726]

it's also why Superman stops him turning back into Billy. He freezes his mouth before killing him. A small touch I think some people gloss over.

[@unlimon6382]

​@@Fenris30 "Uncle Sam" kills children in foreign countries all the time. I don't think you are making a good argument here 🤨

[@ZCommander]

I agree with you. However: there is a big difference between eliminating the Joker, which should have been done long ago, who could clearly never be redeemed. Luther was at least a fight, I think Batson was the true moral event horizon. He didn’t flatten the cities, which would have also been a line.

[@CommanderRex-]

Not for lack of trying

[@wander1139]

honestly the shazams death is hurts in the game but in the comics superman crossed the line so long ago its nuts the fact that any of the hero's sided with him period is insane i get it in the beginning helping superman makes sense after everything but down the line it just doesn't make sense for them to do

[@wintertrooper7918]

If you look into it several of them agree with him out of fear while others simply lost those close to them and have come to agree with him because they are lost in their grief and what not

[@insaneedoko999]

@@wintertrooper7918stole the words out of my mind

[@Agent-mb1xx]

The "real" villain was the government and authorities that has allowed mentally ill cosplayers play their "game" and ended up in a nuke by the Joker

[@ComicCasualVideos]

Damn that's super real

[@mr.x991]

Ok "Amanda Waller"

[@Agent-mb1xx]

@@mr.x991Amanda is a hero, not the one we asked for but the one we need

[@cornfield2120]

@@Agent-mb1xxnowhere near a hero, but definitely one of the more sane government-type villains

[@jeremyallen5974]

No, the REAL villain was Batman If it weren't for his ass backwards moral code (killing bad guys = evil but killing his allies = go for it!) Superman wouldn't have lost his shit in the first place because Joker wouldn't have been alive to give Harley the go ahead on detonating A FUCKING NUKE in Supe's city

[@alexandrefrauches132]

10:35 What you describe was the animated film version. In the comic, the scene is bit similar, although Jonathan doesn't die bc he took the super pill. However, just the fact he saw his father being hit by the arrow was enough to trigger Superman and make him kill Ollie. By the way, Green Arrow death in the comic wasn't just a simple heat vision on the face. Superman beat him to death, merciless punching Ollie while Martha and Jonathan tried in vain to make her son stop. When he finally did, Clark proceed to just blame Batman, and go on about he won't stop until "ruin his perfect world" which just shows how unstable and disconect from reality Injustice Superman truly is.

[@hunterblane610]

Also, the Jor-El AI was there and he apologized for Ma and Pa for sending Clark to earth.

[@hunterblane610]

I honestly prefer how they did it I n the movie, because in the comic, it was such an insane overreaction relatively early into Superman’s fall. In the movie, Ma Kent had already died, so Pa Kent was all he had, and using heat vision made it seem like more of a heat-of-the-moment reaction rather then several minutes of pure psychosis.

[@alexandrefrauches132]

@@hunterblane610 Respect your opnion but I disagree since Clark reaction and the brutal way he beats Ollie helps to showcase how unstable Clark has become. Plus the fact that both his parents are alive in some ways explains Superman's corruption since, in most versions, Jonathan or both Kents die before Clark become Superman, teaching the lesson that he can't always save everyone. But because their are alive in the Injustice universe, it's clear that IJ Superman probably never experience loss and never learned this lesson.

[@hunterblane610]

@@alexandrefrauches132 Sure, he didn't learn that lesson, but the fact that injustice Clark didn't loose anyone makes his reaction even more overblown. Pa was barely injured and Clark went ballistic even with Ma, Pa, and Jor-El trying to talk him down. I don't know. If that incident took place like 4 or 5 years Into the regime, maybe it would make more sense, but I'm pretty sure this happens in Year 1 or 2, so Superman just goes ape sh*t on someone who was his friend not too long ago. He doesn't even seem to feel that bad about if afterwards.

[@alexandrefrauches132]

@@hunterblane610 It''s overblown bc it shows the damage that the death of Lois, Clark's first big loss, caused to Clark and his inability to deal with grief, something he never went through before. His attacks on Ollie are basically Clark letting himself being corrupt by those emotions: His fear of seeing another person being injure or killed, his anger against those who hurt them and specially against himself for not having done anything to prevent this. Injustice Superman doesn 't feel bad in the end bc he doesn't want to feel like this ever again. He already blames himself for Lois death so instead of taking responsability for his actions he just tries to blame others, in particular Batman, for his problems

[@nkohler5601]

Harley Quinn was redeemed and she nuked an entire city. So if it works for her, then Superman is well within reason.

[@nyx8823]

Remember when Injustice's Harley Quinn helped Joker with the plan of... Hhhmm... BLOWING UP METROPOLIS? And yet she gets to be a heroine

[@wintertrooper7918]

She's a victim of joker

[@SupermanYT.]

​@@wintertrooper7918so was superman.

[@wintertrooper7918]

@@SupermanYT. and?

[@BanishedSilentShadow3318]

I've said this in another video, but the fact that superman knows Billy is a kid says it. Like all superman had to do was freeze his mouth and had him sent into the phantom zone which he could've done but the fact he killer him just because he mentioned lois wouldn't want this says a lot.

[@Fenris30]

The Writers of Injustice 2 forgot about the timeskip. Billy Wasn't Transformed into Shazam. Superman killed Billy not Shazam that's why he covered his mouth.

[@UP51L]

Shazam’s one of the few heroes capable of being the absolutely daylights out of Superman in a 1 on 1 without anything to weaken him first. If he let Billy live and he turned, Superman would have a big problem.

[@santi_super_stunts2573]

@@Fenris30that’s a lie we see him use lighting in that form

[@Zombieworm98]

​@@UP51Lwhy does everyone think he was Billy? We literally see him use his powers in that EXACT form, also what did he just make a second, identical Shazam outfit that he just wears around? He was trying to say "Shazam" because the magical lighting is his ultimate attack, I thought that was common knowledge

[@Mayan_88694]

@@UP51Lyou re coping hard. Billy was in his Shazam form, Superman killed him before he could revert back to his normal child form

[@inquisitorgarza312]

Injustice Superman is a Clark who never really believed that anyone, and I mean anyone could ever understand him, because in his mind he was the Last Son of a dying planet, the Symbol of Hope, he was the Paragon of Justice, which means no one could understand his loss of his wife, unborn child, best friend, and city to the same man who should have been years ago.

[@a.jthomas6132]

It would be more tragic for Kara if she learned her cousin have killed a kid like Billy Batsons. But how will Shazam’s death affects the entire Marvel family? That’s something I am curious about.

[@captainrex1718]

If I remember correctly I the injustice 2 comics Mary marvel made an appearance showing how she’s still grieving Billy’s death and blame Superman for indoctrinating him and once he disagrees killing him

[@a.jthomas6132]

@@captainrex1718 Very true that it did happen which is why I thought maybe she can become the new Champion for the Wizard.

[@GamingEelektross]

There are some other notes in the dialogue that further dive into who this Superman is, such as him wanting to take the good one’s Lois in their confrontation in Injustice 1, or him grouping thieves with rapists and murderers near the start of 2. Also him working with villains like Sinestro and Black Adam, killing off Green Lanterns in the comics, having a military death squad, and a few assorted pre-fight lines in the games. What probably solidifies this Superman not getting a redemption arc is the end of Batman’s ending in the Arcade mode where at the end, despite calling Superman ‘Clark’ all game, he refers to him as ‘Kal’, meaning that not even Batman believes he can be redeemed anymore past that point.

[@michaellynes3540]

Regime Superman makes everyone respect Prime Superman.

[@DangerBaker-ji1du]

The fact shazam even sided with him but the biggest villain is wonder woman constantly manipulating his grief

[@ivanbluecool]

Honestly he really does fall off very hard especially with wonder woman around. While I dislike the movie. The ending is actually good showing superman has gone off the deep end so far he knows he can't be redeemed as Lois wouldn't have wanted him to become like this. I can see that if we ever get a final injustice story

[@RedCommunistDragon]

Despite the movie not being good, I have to say it might be the best written Injustice content as if we’re being honest… Injustice as a whole was never that great of a continuity. Every league member with the exception of course being Batman, acts so out of character, especially Wonder Woman.

[@ivanbluecool]

@@RedCommunistDragon wonder woman would act like this when she can she's a warrior and while normally of course the heroes would be heroes. We see in a lot of else world stories she goes off the deep end a lot or just gives up on humanity so it's not out of character for her especially if she has a crush on superman in this universe. Plus we see she'd take revenge when possible like in tas where she'd probably punch out toy maker in the heat of the moment. Injustice is just her always at that level.

[@baylaust]

@@RedCommunistDragon I think the big issue is that with the first Injustice game, we didn't have a good view of exactly what the Injustice universe really WAS. Based off of what we were given, we just had to assume that it was pretty much identical to the main universe, but with the diverging point of Superman killing the Joker. But the comics really put a swerve into that, especially with Wonder Woman. She's practically unrecognizable from her original version, and that's because in the Injustice series, they slightly altered her origins: Steve Trevor, her first love and introduction to humanity, turned out to be a Nazi sleeper agent, and she ended up killing him after he betrays her and the Amazons. This in turn made her far more cynical and distrusting about mankind, which would lead to her helping to stoke Clark's worst impulses and leading him further down his dark path into becoming a tyrant who will kill anyone who opposes him. Injustice Wonder Woman is one that can only see the worst in humanity, instead of the one who sees the best in them. If you didn't look it up or read the comics, you wouldn't know ANY of that. So it's up to the player / viewer to have to fill in a LOT of gaps to figure out why certain characters pick certain sides, which can make for a pretty messy story.

[@RedCommunistDragon]

@@ivanbluecool In the case of Toy Maker it sense and even justifiable, however, in the Injustice comics and games she’s straight up diabolical, killing and torturing anyone who even slightly disagrees with her. Granted she is a warrior but still. I’m aware that in the comics and 2021 film (unsure about the games) Steve Trever, the man she loved dearly, turned out to be a Nazi spy so Diana swiftly decapitated him. And this put her on a far more cynical view on the world of man. Makes her motivations in the movie much more understandable.

[@Vigriff]

@@RedCommunistDragon Yeah, the movie is the most tolerable part of the Injustice series. The games and comics are just pure trash, especially with how they handled Batman's characterization.

[@Achieme]

This is a hot take and is off topic but hear me out, Harley Quinn literally got off easy after help orchestrating creating evil superman as well as caused the death and destruction of metropolis. I understand Harley was manipulated by the Joker but that comes across as taking away someones autonomy, agency and free will. Sure she feels guilt for what she's done but no one scold her, judge her by her actions, no one is like "I will never forgive nor forget what you've done" Batman's team is all buddy buddy with her which is weird when you think about it. I still find it wild that Batman would let Harley Join his team regardless whether she's trying to change or not If I was sups I'd be pressed AF, imagine your former friend(s) working with the same person who not only helped kill millions but kill your wife and unborn child. Even in the animated movie when sups said he deserved death Bats was like "you don't get off that easy" like WHAT??? you let an domestic terrorist on your team and act like shit is sweet.😂😂

[@minaroariko1038]

imagine if Superman (Kingdom come) meets the injustice superman. I wonder what kind of interaction will have?

[@shinystarmiestudios4179]

Alternate title: Why Superman and Wonder Woman deserve the most horrific deaths possible.

[@thewanderingcreative7173]

Yeah that thumbnail was all the proof needed.

[@Clover_Dreemurr]

Superman also killed most of the green lantern corp in the injustice comics

[@coreykessinger8553]

Injustice is a video game series that makes me depressed and uncomfortable with how they butchered the characters into creepy abominations.

[@Omega1313-7]

You know a true monster when their parents beg them to stop and spare someone in their dying breath then proceed to ignore them.

[@Evoker23-lx8mb]

The moment he considered flattening cities and invading worlds, that was when he stopped being Superman and became more Ultraman in all but name. But having bad intentions isn’t necessarily the point of no return, I could want to do something really bad but that doesn’t mean I’ll do it, you can morally come back from wanting to do something bad as long as you don’t do it. The moment he even considered killing Shazam though, a child, that was the moment that he fully stopped deserving to wear that S and gave up any chance that he had of ever becoming Superman again. This Superman can still do heroic things but he’s never again going to have another chance of ever becoming a true hero. Even more tragically, Superman himself killed that chance of it happening when he killed Billy. That’s where Supergirl comes in in this story, she’s what Superman once was, what he still could’ve and should’ve been if he didn’t end up making all the wrong choices while wallowing in and being consumed by his grief and his rage. I fully believe regardless of wether he should or shouldn’t be redeemed or wether he even could or couldn’t be redeemed, Superman’s redemption isn’t happening. On the contrary he’s already been replaced or he’s in the process of being replaced.

[@Ars-Nova258]

16:54 “Injustice: Gods of Among Us” I hate Amongus memes but I couldn’t unhear that after you accidentally said it.

[@ZCommander]

I am ignoring retcons and that shit. Thus, Billy Batson was the moral event horizon to most people. I agree with you, but this also goes for Sinestro, Black Adam, and especially Wonder Woman.

[@valpix770]

Blue Beatle: "there any line you won't cross?" Superman: "I don't hurt children." Blue Beatle: "Didn't stop you with Shazam."

[@MLIU-ko7nn]

Injustice Superman can whine all he wants, blame anyone he wants. But by god he shall never EVER be forgiven for murdering Billy Batson.

[@1fishmob]

In the He-Man crossover, it follows up on the bad ending; Superman (presumably) demolished Metropolis to make an example, all the villains are under mind control and now patrol the planet assaulting anyone for even thinking wrong, and he even tries to gain control of reality (I think) to take it over. In the end, even He-Man, another character much like Shazam, recognized there was no salvation for this guy and death was the only true way of stopping the madness for both Earth's and Superman's sake.

[@glasses685]

I agree. Up to the point where he killed Shazam for no reason, he was redeemable. After that...nope. That's the line of no return. You just can't come back from that, anyone who does something like that is just gone.

[@shadowsansvii8715]

“A world beater” - Casual Comic 2024

[@kokichioma1901]

Batman (Bruce Wayne): "You shouldn't have killed the Joker." Superman (Clark Kent/Kal-El): "I did it for Lois." Batman (Bruce Wayne): "It's not what she would've wanted." Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson): "You've once brought hope." Superman (Clark Kent/Kal-El): "Now I bring justice." Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson): "Justice is blind, not heartless."

[@fanofmediastuff269]

Injustice Superman should lose his powers and live his life as Clark Kent

[@mastrsonic375]

The real Villain of injustice is Wonder Woman Without her manipulation, Ai believe that Clark would have grieved and continued to be a real hero

[@ComicCasualVideos]

I made a video about that! Hope you check it out

[@N_DAnimationEnthusiast]

Blue Beetle: Is there any line you won’t cross? Superman: I don’t hurt kids. Blue Beetle: Didn’t stop you with Shazam. Shazam didn’t deserve that.

[@michaellynes3540]

Flash: How come you’re not having any regrets, Victor? Cyborg: Because I know we did the right thing. Flash: Two words… BILLY. BATSON.

[@wintertrooper7918]

If you listen to hal's comments in this and after the game he makes it clear that he wanted to flee just like Barry but his fear of Superman kept him there

[@ajward9112]

Injustice Superman should not be redeemed, but I do hope that if an Injustice 3 ever gets made, Wonder Woman is more publicly revealed to be more evil, since she did influence Superman’s decisions.

[@randomdeinternet3582]

Well, in batman's last fight with wonder woman he directly tells her that he knows she was who encouraged superman's anger and grief, and like the crazy beast she is she violently attacks him because she can't say that's not true, and when the attack fails she tries to excuse herself in a very lame way, the typical "the world needed an iron fist, not a gentle hand"

[@jadbayram496]

​@randomdeinternet3582 and this happens after the lasso of truth made her say that clark needed batman to batman's face. The fact that freaking harley quinn's actions are swept under the rug with the "I know what I did was bad" bullshit with no redemption for superman especially after wonder woman's line is infuriating

[@PoPo-qp8zq]

Lex was never a bad guy in this universe. He was friend with Superman and Lois before the nuke

[@changvasejarik62]

Kingdom come forever made me see injustice superman as an unredeemable loser.

[@Superherofan1621]

The animated movie is not canon to the game but Superman's father pa kent in the canon prequel comic lives

[@ethbeatthem4836]

Not all Crimes should be punish by death, also there are false conviction and people forced into plea deals for things they never did, Killing all Criminals doesn't work and Killing 1 will lead down that sloop of whose next, over and over and over. That why Batman doesn't kill the Joker but Joker need to be locked up somewhere better, like the Green Lantern Prison on Oa, or Maximum Confine Cell with no interaction with others, Batman Justice ain't perfect but he doesn't want to take free will away from others, Injustice Superman does think people shouldn't have weapons, shouldn't make these choice, shouldn't commit crimes, should listen to him, even with that logic anything could become weapon, report fake crimes could kill someone, and people want to make chooses and will fight for that right.

[@keiroty7187]

Basically it’s Batman’s contingency in action before your eyes as they say ‘where there’s power there’s corruption’

[@sammasters2000]

As a die hard superman fanboy, I'll admit going into the game I was all for him killing joker, it was everything after where it changed. The way he killed Billy, sicking Doomsday on metropolis to teach them a lesson. It was just like yeah no you aren't superman. Thankfully we got the "real" one to kick his ass. But Jesus Harold Christ what he does in the comic leading to the main story of the game. F that guy. How in the holy hell could they just make him a psycho that fast? How do they cuck Barry to follow along? Wonder woman was a monster. That universe can't be redeemed.

[@lightningleopard8877]

I believe the same thing happened to green arrow in the comics that set up the game

[@Karnage_Kai]

You’ve gone far enough Superman -Jason Todd/Red Hood

[@Noahshain246]

movie green arrow did but in comics he only hurt superman dad

[@TevyaSmolka]

By the way in the injustice comics injustice Superman yes does kill green arrow but both ma and pa Kent were okay and not dead, that was only in the injustice animated movie with pa Kent being dead just wanted to let you know.

[@marko-gj1uj]

DC loves killing pa Kent

[@MysticMan1993]

When one bad day comes to play.

[@ElectricPikachu64]

Let's not forget that he also blew up an entire planet and several gods

[@degen0905]

"I'm going to leave off on Injustice: Gods of Among Us" 13:20

[@iamironman245]

Superman in this game series was a lot like a mox of himself, homelander and omni man especially in his alternate ending in injustice 2

[@chadking375]

For all the things the animated movie got wrong, its idea of Injustice Supes being beaten by a Superman who also lost everything was an improvement. Like Kingdom Come Superman would be the ideal guy to beat/mercy-kill Injustice Superman, cause he failed and almost fell to that extreme. The MOTU crossover having He-Man mercy-kill Clark was a good call, it’s clear he wants to die.

[@DigitalVanquish]

As soon as he killed Oliver, he was gone. The words of his parents meant nothing to him as he did it. Billy just confirmed it to Barry and Hal.

[@billy7325]

The word you were looking for was conqueror

[@pinkguycomments69]

For him to take a child's life so callously and go on acting like it's justified is enough proof to show he doesn't deserve that family he lost anymore. Darkseid's ladder ending is what he deserves honestly

[@bigdoubleu117]

Didn't Superman kill Diana and her unborn child before killing Lex? And their Oliver Queen?

[@jakebutler9808]

Superman was on the right for the first few years but killing Shazam was the moment of no return

[@jasperpunster2123]

I always found it amazing that if one or more of these characters die: Green Arrow Flash Shazam The Justice league is completly gone morally

[@chancegarrison7636]

I Have Faith In Kara zor-el 🙏🙏🙏

[@NathanaelJacob-px6lu]

Lex did not pretend to be Superman's friend, in this universe is his best friend.

[@james739123]

Save redemption for those that seek it.

[@gamerz1172]

I will say it seems like the writers do think its him killing joker is when he went to far Id love for a theoritical injustice 3 line to have someone tell superman "YOU went to far supes" to which superman responds "The joker had to die," where the person telling him this says "That is not where you went too far" LIke his crimes have gone so far beyond "oh no the jokers dead" but it seems like the writers dont acknowledget his fact or at the very least no character (As far as I know) pooints this out to him

[@sabaibaikari7023]

Does Harley Quin also count as inredeemable

[@gibbs615]

From the moment Superman killed poor Billy Batson/Shazam it was far too late for any redemption for him😠

[@Gerald3035]

I realized Superman was far too gone when he killed Oliver Queen. There’s nothing he can ever do to be redeemed. He will forever be a villain

[@Paxchi]

Honestly, the way Superman kills Billy never really made any sense. In most other media, Billy and Black Adam are portrayed as being roughly as powerful as Superman, to the point where they're some of the few characters who can just go toe-to-toe with Clark. But for the game story to work, only Kryptonite or a good Superman could defeat Injustice Superman, so they had to nerf Billy and Adam. Even still, Billy should have been powerful enough that if Superman grabbed him like that, he'd have been able to fight back. Instead . . . he tries to say his magic word and call down the magic lightning? Why? If he's trying to hit Superman with magic lightning, this version of Billy can just SHOOT magic lightning out of his hands. Calling down the magic lightning while Superman's hand is around his neck should have been suicidal because if it didn't work, it would have been turned mortal with Superman's hand still around his throat. Also, a little ice around his mouth shouldn't have stopped someone with the Strength of Hercules from being able to open his mouth to speak. And even a nerfed version of "Shazam" should have been durable enough that a heat vision blast like that shouldn't have been able to kill Billy that quickly. The only way Billy's death scene makes sense is if we go with the logic that Billy was in his teens when Lois died, and as Injustice the comic showed, enough time passed from then to the present for Damian Wayne to hit his late teens/early 20s. By a similar token, Billy Batson would have grown up as well, and might have done the Kingdom Come bit where he grows up to look like his "Shazam" form. If that's the case, then the scene only works if it's actually mortal Billy Batson showing up to the meeting wearing a replica of his "Shazam" costume, and the reason he was trying to say his magic word was to call down the lightning so he could have a fair fight with Superman. Because then it's mortal Billy who isn't zapping Superman with magic lightning from his hands, it's mortal Billy who can't open his mouth because it's frozen shut, and it's mortal Billy who gets his brains fried by heat vision.

[@ttm4236]

the grammatical errors are hilarious; ‘Injustice: Gods of among us” that has to be on purpose😂

[@ChrisBear1989]

It is my belief that Batman isn't the enemy,(And FYI the Injustice animated film disrespects Injustice canon anyways, killing off flash like that fucks up Injustice 2 and such, oh and Papa Kent is still alive). In the comic which is still technically canon, he believed Superman couldn't be corrupted. Then he killed Joker in rage, understandably so. It just went downhill from there I'm skipping a lot of events happening but from the start Superman argued "one death" Batman didn't accept that and even knew where would it end. It didn't. Him trying to flatten two cities at the end of Injustice 1 is more then enough to basically never trust him again. I would not. (Inbefore whataboutism)

[@ryszakowy]

the only two ways he can be redeemed is: 1. staying in phantom zone 2. walking into a room full of gloden kryptonite to lose his powers permanently there is no other way injsutice superman can be redeemed unless dying while fighting darkseid IF injustice 3 happens and they do bring him back

[@shinystarmiestudios4179]

Darkseid would know how to make the deaths of Superman and Wonder Woman absolutely horrific. Which, honestly, is well deserved.

[@Rustyfrog_solo]

A miraculous ladybug collab will happen in Fortnite

[@darthmemewalker2807]

Had Superman not killed shazam, I'd have picked his ending first in the second game

[@comicbookreviewer4856]

To me a real Redemption in a story can work if you give it to someone who slowly starts to question their actions or see How others might've been effected from their actions and Mindset but you should never give it to someone who has already crossed the line or had done too much Damage as it can give people the wrong idea that forgiveness is easy something Most modern writers have done to death well some Try to be realistic to their fans

[@rrjt1011]

If I go crazy, then will you still call me Superman?

[@mr.j9125]

I personally like how he is now. Honestly if i was in that world I'd probably stand behind him because in a way hes right. Sometimes if you want piece you have to take it

[@sypherthe297th2]

Injustice Superman didn't want peace. He wanted to punish a world that allowed Joker to cause the deaths of Lois, the growing fetus, and Metropolis. He loses it more and more over time to reveal his underlying motivation. His crimes were legion. He gets a pass on Joker though. He needed to go but some highlights include having Alfred murdered by Victor Zsasz, heat visioning hundreds of protestors to death, maiming a young man trying to protect Australia from the Regime, murdering Billy Batson/Shazam, murdering Green Arrow, murdering Lex Luthor, attempted murder of Superboy, the illegal imprisonment of the Titans in the Phantom Zone after he mortally wounded Superboy, illegal imprisonment of Jon and Martha Kent, etc.

[@wintertrooper7918]

The thing a lot of people misunderstand about injustice superman is that he is not "evil" at least not to the extent of some of his counterparts he's far more gray than black

[@sebay4654]

I think he could be redeemed but the only way he can do that is if he were to fully understand his actions and have a full blown Mental Breakdown where he tries to reaffirm that what hes Doing is "Right" and eventually no matter how much he insists hes the "good Guy" his will Eventually falters and and realises im a monster ultimately though with the willpower he's demonstrated it would take a tremendous event to bring him to this level but i can think of one, Star Saphire Louis Lane being forced to fight the person he loves even if from an alternate universe is the only way i can see as correct to kick-start his redemption. I should note though that were this to happen and superman defeats star saphire at thst point and only at that point would i say hes beyond redemption (From a Mentality perspective as hes effectively killing the reason he began this path

[@sebay4654]

Specifically being Confronted by a version of his love from another world especially if also Pregnant is what I believe would be needed for him to jolt back to reality and realise just how much of a monster he has become

[@steveardila7651]

Here's a thought. Superman could be redeemed, but at the cost of Harley Quinn's life and Batman man's as well. By having someone more dangerous than Brainiac trying to end the world and having Batman sacrificing himself and Harley Quinn saving Superman despite he might just kill her, and later dies in front of him, he might finally change his mind. The very person he was trying to kill and the other trying to control dies before him, he no longer feels the need to continue. He no longer has a purpose anymore. At least when trying to stop Batman and kill Harley Quinn, the very being who's responsible for staging the death of Lois, everything he worked so hard to finally achieve once again gone from him. Retribution is gone before him.

[@PJGAPOY27]

Why Should Injustice Superman NEVER Be Redeemed? ✍️ In the realm of comic book narratives, redemption arcs can be powerful tools for character development and thematic exploration. However, the case of Injustice Superman is one where redemption not only undermines the gravity of his actions but also the core themes that the Injustice series seeks to address. Superman, in the Injustice universe, has traversed a path that is starkly different from his canonical counterpart. He has committed atrocities that are irreconcilable with the moral compass that defines Superman. His descent into tyranny was triggered by personal tragedy, but it was also a choice-a series of decisions where he opted for control over compassion, punishment over justice. The Injustice storyline pushes the boundaries of what happens when a symbol of hope becomes the very antithesis of it. It challenges the reader to confront uncomfortable truths about power, authority, and the thin line between heroism and villainy. To redeem Injustice Superman would be to retract these messages, to offer a convenient escape from the consequences of his actions. Moreover, redemption in such a context risks trivialising the suffering and loss experienced by the characters within the story. It diminishes the sacrifices of those who stood against Superman’s regime. Characters like Batman, who represent the resistance to Superman’s authoritarian rule, become less impactful if the narrative bends towards a redemptive arc for Superman. Injustice Superman’s story is a cautionary tale, a narrative warning of the perils of absolute power and the corruption it brings. It’s a story that needs to remain as it is-a testament to the fact that even the greatest of heroes can fall from grace, and that some actions are beyond redemption. In conclusion, while redemption is a beautiful concept and often a cornerstone of superhero tales, it is not applicable to every narrative. Injustice Superman’s journey is one that should remain a sombre reminder of the potential darkness within even the most iconic of heroes. It’s a bold narrative choice that should be respected for its willingness to explore the darker aspects of heroism and power.

[@matthewgodinez546]

Hey Batman may be a vigilante but he’s not the law. Besides it’s not his fault it’s the world he lives in, if they were in our world the criminals would ever escaped nor lived to see the light of days due how our law systems are definitely logical than the ones in his world. Belived it or not had Batman lived in our world, crimes would effectively become null and void due to how if the Dark Knight worked with the law enforcement of our world, apprehending criminals organization would be as easy as pie.

[@maliciousmisari1485]

Ngl,i get Batman. Not killing is reasonable for like 90% of his Enemies. But the Jokes? Nah,he should have smoked him.

[@OmnicidalClown1992]

There is a lot of validation on the arguments as to why Superman shouldn't be redeemed. That being said, Superman is broken, and things that are broken can, eventually, be fixed. Plus, a lot of Superman's actions can be argued that it was due to being manipulated. A lot of people love to point out that the true villain in the Injustice games is Wonder Woman. (Including a video in this channel.)

[@henrypeters5291]

So there is no point in calling the regime a "corrupt government." From what it sounds like you have not read the comics but by year 5 Superman actually abolished all of Earth's governments. At that point the regime was a totalitarian dictatorship. Hell, you could say it became that by the end of year 1 when Flash and Green Lantern stormed the capital building and held both parties of congress hostage to avert a shutdown.

[@fatty1040]

I don't want him rEdEeMeD, quite simply I want him *dEaD* over a decade of this nonsense character arc and they only ever did it right once and milked the rest.

[@bluezendra3546]

Superman was not wrong for killing joker if I was in his shoes I definitely would do the same thing now lex Luther and Shazam that's when there was no redomson for him.

[@moracomole8090]

If Harley gets to be redeemed than everyone deserve to by that logic even the freaking Anti-Monitor, lmao

[@bigdoubleu117]

Also, kind of annoying Captain Marvel doesn't go out with a fight. In most continuities, he's on par with Superman, but this game made him look weak as fck!

[@IlPKII]

16:53 did you just say god of among us 🤔

[@ibukungolo4261]

i would join superman till year two

[@Timidogbumpstudio]

Ya know its so strange to me in a world where characters come back to life super easily injustice superman never once wanted to try and revive louis or get one of the many time travelers to go back and correct what happened. Theres so many minor plot conveniences that had to be taken to justify super man. Being this way. Not only that like all the heros on his side have to have a load of weirdness Its no wonder theres loads of realitys where superman is killed off. Also your telling me superman couldn’t of caught the arrow?

[@Blopusanian]

As soon as Manhunter was killed he was irredeemable. Joker should have been executed if the system worked.

[@shad3262]

Shazam was 17 after the time skip

[@TheEntertainmentKnight]

This Superman was redeemable in injustice 2 he became to far gone when he threatened Kara

[@matthiasjanzen4621]

Louis would be ashamed!!!

[@tedscheett9420]

Killing the Joker I get. Doesn't matter how insane someone is, if they detonate a nuke in a metropolis, then that is easily a death sentence. However, Superman didn't decide to leave it there. The thing about Superman as a character is that he has a very simple view of the world. Black and White, Good and Evil, Justice and Crime. He's hardly ever seen making morally grey decisions because he is such a boy scout... or he's a tyrannical alien despot. But when he does something that is a little darker than his blemishless personality will allow, he very easily goes to the dark side, no pun intended. The events after Joker's death in the comics are one bodybag after another, one controlling action after until... he becomes the man he killed. In a sense, at least.

[@kpu7653]

Just to tell you the comics are canon and superman father doesn’t die so Green Arrow did die for nothing

[@Lmarquesgamer]

if was just a killing or encarcerated villans it would be the best superman but the writters always make him do something out of caracthers like tried to destroy citys to make batman come ou or killing shazan

[@hiImpaul-fr3wb]

16:42 It was a bittersweet ending because Superman may lessen his oppressive rule or he may judge people for thought crimes in He Man Injustice. If he does the latter, it is humanity’s fault not Superman’s.

[@hoifzf]

I really want to see a Batman video bro

[@ComicCasualVideos]

I will definitely be doing Batman videos of some kind very soon!

[@kpu7653]

Just to tell you the comics are canon and superman dad doesn’t die