Why is Anime Fan Service Dull Now?

Anime and fan service have gone hand-in-hand since its inception, so why is it that modern anime fan service feels dull? Could it be that we as an audience are more mature? Or has the industry gotten content capitalizing to the lowest common denominator?
Anime Mentioned
Love Hina
Ai Yori Aoshi
Cutey Honey
Daicon IV
Gunbuster
My Dress-Up Darling
Rent-A-Girlfriend
Rising of the Shield Hero
Interspecies Reviewers
Chobits
DearS
Elfen Lied
Legend of the Overfiend
Wicked City
Ninja Scroll
La Blue Girl
Neon Genesis Evangelion

[@Siksuki]

It's also really great to have a critical view on fanservice rather than just "all fanservice bad, it makes me uncomfortable" not that it's invalid to feel uncomfortable with a lot of fanservice, it's just not great media literacy. Having someone explore and explain the history has made me gain a lot respect for the origins of fanservice, and an understanding as to why it's all so similar and boring now, it's almost the "safe" thing to create. I'm glad to see you mentioned Interspecies Reviewers as an example of GOOD fanservice, it may honestly be my favorite anime of the 2020's.

[@Serocco]

Speaking as a woman, I really appreciated the fanservice in My Dress Up Darling. Marin Kitagawa only ever shows off her body to the one guy she had a thing for. She's always in complete control of her body and the camera. She keeps her agency the entire time.

[@agramuglia]

Agree 100%. I also love how much attention the show puts on her just being so damn happy about her cosplay. It shows enthusiasm, which is so important with any sexual stuff.

[@Serocco]

​​@@agramugliaThe fact that My Dress Up Darling's creator is a woman who based Marin off herself helps a lot. It's clearly an irl cosplayer having fun with vaguely bisexual vibes. Like, the love hotel scene was soooo spicy without them even doing anything, and that shit slapped harder than actual sex scenes that year (2022) Honestly a great way for people to stop complaining about fanservice shows is for the fanservice to be consensual between the characters, like in 100 Girlfriends, Hokkaido Gals, or even non-harem shows like Metallic Rouge (which is scifi mystery action more than it is about fanservice).

[@GorudenMidas]

It's a bit ironic considering that most Redo of healer manga readers in Japan are female, the duality of a woman I guess...

[@starlightveronica1873]

I think it comes down to the role of voyeurism. In so much fan service, the characters themselves seem to have no sexual feelings. They are entirely desexuallzed. However, the camera makes darn sure that we view them in a sexual way. We see their breasts, thighs, even panties center frame, while the character herself is presented as super awkward or some fake version of "wholesome." Marin is different. She knows exactly how good she looks, and she loves it.

[@noahbossier1131]

@@agramugliaagreed. I love her cosplay and outfits. There is a reason why I see people drawing her in cute outfits

[@KazeShikamaru]

Basically I need my fanservice with something and you did a good job explaining it.

[@osmosis453]

Before 100 girlfriends, the last good fanservice show I saw was Interspecies Reviewers. Sucks Sony forced Funimation to drop it.

[@sethimothy]

You don't see many sex positive anime like Interspecies Reviewers. A shame.

[@MALICEM12]

​@@sethimothyfor real

[@MALICEM12]

That's ecchi was great because it had fun characters and is hilarious

[@tino9117]

The first furry ecchi to ever live (I could be missing something but it felt like the first to me)

[@lordtraxroy]

Interspecies revierwer is the most boundery pushing anime ever made

[@kinoleogeo7998]

As a person in my 30’s, I feel very heard with this essay, Ant. I remember always coming up with excuses for my interest in some of these fan service elements in my anime, at points creating my own self persecution complex that I need to examine narrative to justify certain elements. Yet, now when I get a glimpse of current running shows, I’m often filled in on the premise and gimmick, only to often be disappointed when nothing more is explored. I hate being that old guy in the room yelling at clouds about how the kids these days are missing out on what was good back in the day, and I often have an open mind to new trends painting over my nostalgic. But modern harem is both oversaturated and has less sticking power to the canvas. It just makes me sad to see my 80’s big boob, big haired, loud and proud women just be defaced by some whiny gatekeepers goo. I don’t expect that era to return, at least not in the time capsule it was buried under, but I do hope those current outliers are seen more, and stories and sex make better partners, than strange bedfellows after a one night stand.

[@HaloseBetaM14]

Utena is here to make a difference with her whip. I'm on the edge of my seat to hear the uncensored audio on the BR release. How much did they push the envelope or is it just marketing? After six episodes I'm leaning towards the first possibility.

[@BulletShaba]

Favorite example of bandwagon behavior, mon musu Exploded in popularity with its Monster girl twist And for a while we saw that Almost every bit of fan service for a while had a cast of women Where a plain vanilla straight up just a human was the token minority Character. Kinda like how dears followed chobits a year later.

[@bigjclv]

Tenchi Muyo was one of the most important anime of my life. It was the one I used to introduce my late spouse to anime and our shared viewings of it were high points in our relationship.

[@devourlordasmodeus]

Please PLEASE do a video on Elfen Lied, that anime had a pretty big impact on me just because I saw it so young

[@Pumperknuckle]

"I'd rather be upset with a piece of art, than feel nothing after finishing it." True words my friend. The opposite of a great show isn't a bad show, but a boring one.

[@devilex121]

Found your video in one of your tweets recommended to me on my news feed. Glad I discovered this channel, this is super underrated stuff.

[@RaisouE]

Interesting to me that you don't even mention Kill La Kill, a fanservice anime that's so essayed about, it kinda feels wrong to not bring up.

[@morrigannibairseach1211]

Interspecies Reviewers was so good I read the manga. Real shame that the anime got dropped. I love how sex positive it is and goes over how different people like different things. One would expect an anime/manga that centers on reviewing and rating sexual encounters to have a hard streak of objectification and meanness about it yet it centers around joy, celebrating differences, tolerance, and has a few touching love stories. It even challenges you by going "hey this is gross, right?" and then completely immerses you in the opposite perspective. 10/10 I also love 100 Girlfriends since its mostly wholesome but the age gap stuff is creepy. And theres some ick moments in the manga. However I can also understand being young and wanting the older hot milf, college girl, or ethics teacher (incidentally they are my favorites and still would have been when I was in high school). One small adjustment I'd make is to add a few of those "this is a joke/fantasy. Dont actually do this/this person is wrong" notations that they do sometimes. 9.5/10 My Dress Up Darling is just a wonderfully wholesome romance with some kick to it. I do like how it somewhat challenges fan service in that it literally gives you Gojo's perspective and goes showing skin is not solely sexual, put that aspect of showing skin aside, there is a job to be done here. 10/10 Some of the anime mentioned I had little interest in ever watching but have now been filed under "never watch." This video gave a great perspective on the subject. 10/10

[@Siksuki]

Everything about Interspecies Reviewers is just so special, and you can tell it was made with complete love, and that's what we need more of.

[@Cobren1]

Please do make an Elfen Lied vid. I’ve been trying to come to terms with my relationship with that series now that I’m in my 20’s and I watched it as a 13 year old the summer before Freshman year of Highschool. I was so attached to the character Kaede (Lucy) and even now with my media perception has changed now being a film school graduate, I still find myself oddly drawn to the anime and lesser so the manga.

[@GaiashKetoji]

Your comment about watching a shojo and a fan servicey shonen back to back reminded me of when my college’s anime club played Love Hina and Ouran High School Host Club back to back, now that was an amusing contrast.

[@loneswordsman295]

It's been a minute since I've seen Wicked City, that ova was nuts. But I do want to see more unique series that handles themes and topics in a mature and serious way in a way eva did.

[@mikethegrunty5968]

2 things about Rosario Vampire: 1: the manga is 1000 times better than the anime 2: mizore is best girl

[@agramuglia]

Yeah, agree on both points.

[@mikethegrunty5968]

@@agramuglia rock on 🤘

[@Friendly_Neigborhood_Astolfo]

Second one is a true statement. Haven't read the manga, but Season 1 of anime was...ok. Season 2 of the anime was baaaad!

[@KazeShikamaru]

Lol he is spitting facts.

[@Dragonage2ftw]

I love both.

[@pmalone4]

Please DO make an Elfen Lied video. I remember my mind being blown on the first ten minutes.

[@raphaelmarquez9650]

Surprised this video did not criticize the fanservice being done on canonically underaged characters, which is the core problem non-anime fans have.

[@agramuglia]

I mean, it does criticize it, albeit not directly

[@umanitalks]

I think highschool dxd is top 2 behind my dress up darling

[@Saltyoven]

Honestly another show that needs to be brought up when talking about when dubs are superior to subs. The show was inherently trashy and often dumb to begin with, the dub just embraces it.

[@Radical-Entertainment]

No matter what you say One piece is the best Harem anime and manga ever and you can't convince me it's not and has the best Fan service ever

[@Santoryu90]

I see what you mean with Isekai but woah don’t compare Shield Hero to something like Redo of Healer just no.

[@phoenixfritzinger9185]

Does anyone else here remember the cinnamon challenge? 21:30 also somehow Mr. Tomino has described my problem with the current lesbian online dating scene, like girl, it’s 2024 not the 1700’s you can stop with the pining and yearning. We are capable of stuff that definitely wouldn’t fit in in a Jane Austin novel here.

[@ler74]

Well! That was a fun watch. Honestly we were expecting it to dive more into the relationship of Japan becoming more socially conservative in the late 80s and mid 90s to this as ultimately the way it handles fan service gets more conservative at roughly the same rate.

[@agramuglia]

The problem there is that it's very hard to draw a correlation between the general politics of a country and the behavior of individual artists. It's easier to make an argument focused on how companies are capitalizing on trends that have been proven to work.

[@ler74]

@@agramuglia that's fair

[@ninjammer726]

Please do video essay on mecha anime popularity and term of sakuga in anime 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭⛩️🗾🪷🏯👘🦖🎮

[@zebraylonwoodruff6773]

Just finished Beautiful Fighting Girl that book is a bit dated but this is very spot on

[@nobody4248]

Can't wait until your essay on Kafka's most well known story.

[@agramuglia]

The Trial or Metamorphos -- Oh.

[@El_Ace]

W video bro you got a new subscriber like damn even beside the actual video itself (the points and story of the video) I really love this and the other I just watched from you, the one about dubs, and I gotta say just the aesthetic is really great and kind of nostalgic. The biggest point being the flow you create with your voice, music choice, and editing style. I don't mean this in a rude way, really, but I want to be honest in saying you sound like you haven't been doing this for a while or any type of voice work for that matter, which is a good thing tho! Unlike how a lot of youtubers intentionally or moreso unintentionally put on a voice for others to hear and respond well too, I find your voice in this and the other video I watched to be very, how do I put it? Scraggily? Shaken? Pussy-Footed? (wow I really can't think of good words rn) But like I said I found it very pleasant to listen to, I would describe it to being similar to the stylings of freestyle solo's in old Bebop tapes.The only thing I didn't like, tho I don't type this to be mean or as an insult in anyway were the clips you used like bro them bitches was loud ahh hell 😭 tho of course I only make this comment to offer another perspective of watching your video. Not that I think you need one but it's certainly here for anyone to read. I don't mean anything rude in regards to the creator of the video or the video itself, I rather enjoyed the video quite a lot actually, more than most even.

[@animeator]

Complete agreement. Good work 🥰

[@LifenKnight]

Simply we liked it as a kid, so when it became our turn to draw, we simply drew what we liked in the past. Which is why the trends seemed like everybody is copying and how there's gaps between trends. The audience are literally aging into their roles and drawing old and new stuff causing this loop. I don't think this is because they are lazy. Anyone lazy couldn't draw so well and get an Anime made.

[@trexhunter2883]

So in other words... go watch Evangelion.

[@jpickens189]

As a person who does not really get anything out of anime fanservice, I really did not enjoy Konosuba. This might be less noticeable to people who enjoy the kind of titillation it focusses on, but even when it is focusing on situations that are entirely non-sexual, its framing of those situations is extremely leery, and that sort of framing is ubiquitous throughout the show. While that, on its own, isn't a good or bad thing, its a missed opportunity for the show from doing something interesting with its directing or character designs. It also made Darkness's overt sexuality more tiring than refreshing, given that the show had already been shoving that kind of content in my face from the start.

[@roydrink]

How did you miss Gushing Over Magical Girls?

[@agramuglia]

I didn't miss it.

[@IAMA1]

good show

[@bornanime3255]

I think ultimately the desire for more extreme fan service or fan service to be used as a spice is fair. I'm a fair bit away from the horny teen I was some years back. In my 20s now I'm not really seeking anything in particular with my fan service nor am I ever on the hunt for any ecchi series. Just that I usually don't seek it out if its either not caught my interest or has something else to offer. The former is usually just based on my personal preferences. This new Magical show airing this season and one about a dude that turns into a monster as a slave thing are hitting the former category for me. Albeit they have nice fights too. On the topic of shoujo. I don't really like em' in how they depict relationships either. Way too ideallic in most of my experiences or just riddled with annoying ridiculous drama. I often find the drama that's meant to draw away from the idea of it being ideallic is just there for spice and not genuine substance. A lot of shoujo for me just end up doing an uno reverse on annoying romcom anime with male MCs. The romance in shoujo can do the work to make me care for the characters, but it's Disney princess kinda love for me and not usually in a good way. Just dragged out a lot more (Like, at least they get married in like an hour and a half with those. I gotta sit on 50+ chapters to get some consesual hand holding if I'm lucky). It is what it is at the end of the day. I guess they just ain't for me. In time I'll try more shoujo. "Orange" is so far the best one I've seen, but the time travel stuff loses it's sauce in the final stretches. Ah, final thing. You should read Onani Master Kurosawa. Read it back in 2020 and loved it. Touches on the stuff in this video. Edit: Redo of Healer is an odd case. As, while it does in fact carry many negatives talked about in that segment it is mainly predominantly filled with a female reader base. Despite the manga also being quite brutal and extreme in hiw it treats women. Its a revenge rape fantasy story too. So I feel like there's more to say on the kinds of fan service women want or seek out as well.

[@DarianWade]

Chobits was my first non-kid anime. It was about 2010, I was 9 years old and just about to discover boobs. My brother told me not to watch it as I was scrolling through Netflix's catalogue, thus I had to do it. He made me into the filthy weeb I am today ✊ I then went on to watch Girls Bravo as my second one 🔥

[@kerob-sx6kx]

i thought it was going to be another of billion videos of tourist complaining about fansersive, but i was pleasantly surprised , good stuff

[@based980]

please do elfen lied

[@normal6483]

If you wanna see a mid '00s shoujo isekai about a boy becoming the demon king and getting a harem, check out Kyou Kara Maoh! (King From Now On.) It's not perfect, (in fact I personally I prefer the manga and light novels,) but it's such a wild take on the genre in relation to everything that's ever come out since. It's definitely the kind of series you want to make fun of with a friend, but it's got more *balls* than any other isekai harem that's ever come out since.

[@agramuglia]

Oh wow, just reading that name brought me back to AnimeNewsNetwork forums discussing that show as it aired...

[@normal6483]

@@agramuglia I tried checking it out again after a few decades, and I was kind of floored by how refreshingly blatant it was. - There's a scene where a drag queen beats up a New York cop and says that cops aren't welcome at Pride. - The main character accidentally gets engaged to another man and no one but him comments on it. He gets over it. - He and his male fiance adopt a daughter together. - One of the side characters is Black and drawn with normal human lips, and he's also an otaku and a doctor rather than a stereotype. There's stuff there I'd be surprised to see in any show period, regardless of the country of origin. To see it in a mid '00s isekai anime from before gay marriage was fully legal basically anywhere was a knock to the senses. (Also, it turns out that show was super popular in Japan. It had two video games and a few stage plays. It had its own radio show.)

[@Newa113]

Bro I remembered that Love Hina dating sim! My anime progression was pretty much the same

[@mrmeteor64]

Elfin lied I used to have fun times talking with the main character English voice actress on Twitter. But then people started harassing her. Also turns out the person who worked on Elfin lied also worked on queen’s blade the evil eye the more you know.

[@hartthorn]

I can compare this with some of the webcomics I'm still reading after years, like El Goonish Shive and GrrlPower. Both have very clear hornry elements. EGS with it's constant gender bending and transformation, but ironically the author has kept certain boundaries up specifically BECAUSE these characters are largely minors. But at the same time, the fanservice/kink stuff is often just an AVENUE by which these characters explore their feelings of both who they want to be with AND who they want to BE. GrrlPower can be a bit more shameless in the fanservice AT TIMES (hell, one of the patreon perks is getting full nude versions of the monthly vote reward), but it has a wacky super hero comic going on as the majority of pages. It even pokes fun at itself, like where a non-powered military woman has to stop for a moment on the facility tour to explain to the new recruit that "No one knows why, but all supers just LOOK LIKE THAT. You need to acknowledge this or it WILL give you a complex" as part of why every character looks like a god damn Greek God/dess. But it also has some actual sex in the plot, not overly voyeuristic (and as often setup for a joke), but everyone in the plot is an adult and not beholden to anyone (outside of one "sex for a favor" which WAS done by a villain). And this is definitely not just anime. "Everyone's hot, no one is horny" has been a Hollywood criticism for a while which, while slightly different in tenor, does feel like something connected. But after seeing Poor Things getting so much love, and actually just seeing Argylle which has it's own share of sexy zaniness, and a handful of others that managed to have some brand of overt sexiness (Bottoms, Freelance, Cyrano, Babylon, Three Thousand Years of Longing), that Hollywood is still CAPABLE of doing weird+horny.

[@Ravenz91]

Sekirei is still one of my favorite shows.

[@UnderdogBT]

Great video. I like fanservice, but I do agree that modern shows do copy off each other, but I like to compare to see which ones are better and stand out more. Tench Muyo was my first encounter of a harem and it's one of the GOATs (if not THE GOAT) in that category. Also, glad you brought up Ai Yori Aoshi. Great anime. I like how you contrast between that and Love Hina. Also, KEIJO!! mention 👍🏾 Also, YES. Make a video about Elfen Lied.

[@wispyone3702]

You awakened my early teenage memories of watching Dears and Infinite Stratos late at night and being very disappointed by the end of each series. Solid video though, good points, and I think those early experiences are what leads me to love shows like Eva and such. At this point in my 20's, simple sexual attraction often decides between what anime I watch as of late even if it's between shows like Jujutsu Kaisen or Great Pretender or rewatching Gurren Laggan for the 4th time, each non-romantic shows, so I think this is honestly like an important topic to critique for the wider anime landscape. Good vid :)

[@gordhanx]

Really great and informative video on this fun subject. Would love to hear your thoughts on Elfen Lied

[@ZILtoid1991]

One of my favorite artists on Pixiv is drawing VTuber girls, but in a bit softer fashion. I myself enjoy the unusual kind of fanservice, both creating and consuming. It's more challenging and interesting than just drawing the same old stuff everyone else does. Also I sense a massive lack of "I want your molt", or whatever the lizard girl manga's name was.

[@agramuglia]

Artists online are the real champions here, especially the ones who draw diverse character designs. It's amazing the hard work they put into their projects, and I always love seeing it when they become successful.

[@tyronechillifoot5573]

@@agramugliatrue they’re like the only ones who can consistently draw big asses lmao

[@agramuglia]

@@tyronechillifoot5573 in some cases, they're the only ones who try to

[@azazel166]

DO NOT remind me of Urotsukidoji.

[@mrmeteor64]

Dream hunter Ren the OVAs aren’t Hentai last checked…unless someone knows something I don’t.

[@agramuglia]

It started as a hentai before rebranding

[@SSJKamui]

I completely agree. To be honest, I think fanservice of these older anime ovas also had a different purpose. Wicked City is basically a HR Giger esque horror without HR Giger directly being involved. There, the sex and gore stuff was more in the vein of Aliens type of Horror. Or like films like Tetsuo the Iron Man. Some Nudity in the Macross movie and that sex scene in the second Megazone 23 movie should basically show a moment of closeness in dire situations. And for example, Eve Tokimatsuri being nude in the third Megazone 23 was probably meant to symbolize that she was basically an otherworldly being. (Eve was basically the godess of the city, symbolically.) In Evangelion, nudity was often again rather the otherworldly stuff again or a sign of vulnerability/trauma. Today, many of the modern fanservice stuff is more like an incels escape from his harsh reality.

[@Skye2993]

I don’t really see like that, if they want real fanservice there’s literally Hentai for the more risqué stuff, the fanservice now in some Anime’s is just so watered down and tame to the point why even put it in the Anime to begin with and I’m talking mainly about Shonen’s and Isekai’s, lately only two pure fanservice Anime’s have gotten some buzz which is 100 girlfriends and the Magical girl show which I forgot the name but anyway it doesn’t matter they got attention as both are comedies their actually enjoyable. I feel that if it was for (quote unquote) incels escape then a lot of these Fanservice Anime’s would have a lot more success then they get (Because let’s be honest super horny people I’ll call them “I hate modern buzz words” would be no doubt wanting more of that Fanservice Anime they wouldn’t let that Anime die out like the thousands of Ecchi Anime’s that have as 90% of them only have one season or 12 episodes being lucky to get s season 2. As a lot of purely fanservice Anime’s die out pretty damn quickly losing all traction because they become boring after a while unless they are the ones that have more to them like a story or is a comedy etc Kill La Kill and 100 girlfriends respectively.

[@mysmallnoman]

​@@Skye2993 the fanservice isn't watered down lol

[@INFERNO95]

Eva fanservice has nothing to do whit trama. People always like to use trama as a excuse when it comes to this overrated anime.

[@mysmallnoman]

@@INFERNO95 yep

[@captainoftheneverdie21]

Oh yeah, Elfen Lied is an hour long video easy, do that

[@temporalwolf7054]

As far as modern fanservice anime goes, Kill la Kill is my personal gold standard. Like, at first the fanservice is very tropey and by the numbers, with the main character getting stronger by doing the magical girl transformation and showing off more skin. But there's a moment fairly early on that really stuck out to me, when main character Ryuko is foing battle with the then main antagonist Satsuki who does the same transformation. Up until this point, Ryuko has been embarrassed by the battle bikini look, and that has been explicitly holding her back in fights, while Satsuki has no such issue. When pressed on the matter, Satsuki responds "If it means gaining the power of need to achieve my dreams, I would gladly bare my breasts to the world." That was the first hint that there was more to the show than just wacky Gainax hijinks with magical girl tropes, and indeed the show tsckles stuff like how society judges people based on appearances, how capitalism grinds people down into food for the ever consuming machine, history of trauma and sexual abuse, and how bonds of blood are more fragile than the family you chose, all done in the same boisterous irreverent tone that was present in TTGL, begging you to not look beneath the surface where all the real meat of the series really is. It is both a celebration of and condemnation of aspects of fanservice in ways that feel thoughtful in ways I was not expecting.

[@agramuglia]

Kill la Kill is so brilliant that I genuinely regret not including it in the video. But if I started deconstructing how Kill la Kill explores fan service, the video would be an hour.

[@KazeShikamaru]

Kill la Kill is brilliant.

[@Dragonage2ftw]

I love both versions of Rosario Vampire.

[@mysmallnoman]

Lol what

[@alexanderthemagnifcent2573]

As a asexual I’ve also had a natural feeling towards fan services.

[@chaserseven2886]

i watched dxd and then senran kagura and honestly senran fanservice was better then dxd for me

[@Santoryu90]

Guess it helps one is based of a game franchise where fan service is one of it’s main selling point.

[@NopeNope-pk2kh]

Heh, I got my friend into Oreimo and he was almost ashamed (as was I, as we should have been to keep up with it weekly at the time) because it was such a damn disaster that you couldn't look away. Fun to see that wasn't just us. However, I did notice the uptick in incest stories around the time e.g. ImoCho and OniAi, and how little they really did. Never really thought about the timeline on Cutie Honey, but I did know Go Nagai was considered one of the pioneers of fan service in general. I know you are focusing on anime more specifically here, but I think that comes to a head with Kekko Kamen where it's parody of Kamen Rider with a suggestive twist and twisted further in self awareness. It's funny to bring up MGX as well (probably one of my favorite series), because I never really thought about the fan service much in that one, so much as how well the story portrayed the characters and their relationship and the growth thereof over time (even though in hind sight there is actually a decent amount of fan service). It goes right into your points about fan service taking a back seat to the plot, and especially in something so heavily focused on romance proper, it feels less forced and meaningful. Really enjoying your insights, can't wait to see what you talk about next. (I'll take another extended video about Elfen Lied. Tho I think I still have to finish hazel's take too... It really was everywhere in its time and it was something that probably either set expectations or absolutely broke them depending on where you were when you initially watched it.) P.S. A few audio cuts were a little unnaturally fast to start up again or possibly even had slight overlap. Easy example I just caught is at approximately 24:51-24:53. I know it's nitpicking but it's just something you might like pointed out for potential improvement!

[@ikarikid]

Quick note: Kekko Kamen is actually a play on Gekko Kamen, a toku series from the 50s

[@Not_So_Anon]

Thank you! I'm not well versed in that genre at all, so I appreciate the correction.

[@mysmallnoman]

Can you tell us why do you think oremio is bad ?

[@Verdureando]

Doing this analysis on anime sounds pointless because it's not a self suficient medium. Of those 60 seasonal titles you get like 10-30 amateur webnovel adaptations and 20-40 manga adaptations. Anime rarely does something intentional about itself. SAO showed the money on webnovels so Narou got funding and the isekai musou with huge titles boom resulted in the production conditions it set up. The overworked to dead fantasy retirement is a result of amateur salarymen writing what they knew, and teens with too much free time imitating them poorly. The anime industry had no say on those stories and they botch up to 20 adaptations a year maybe as a quiet revolt or maybe because they don't get the appeal. Anime by design has been trying to catch up with the industry shakers since the crash in the 90's. It's too expensive to experiment on animation when people will do it for free on webnovels and pixiv.

[@mrmeteor64]

Also queen’s blade had a crossover with high school of the dead a few weeks back on the browser game queen’s blade likes to explore nihilistic villains so of course in the crossover they fight a Saturday morning cartoon villain.

[@Masterblader158]

>Remembers oh right I need to like it which I never do when watching on TV >I am 69th Like Nice.

[@agramuglia]

Nice.

[@phoenixfritzinger9185]

Nice

[@JediMB]

The constant barrage of "fan service" is a big part of why I basically stopped watching anime for years. To me, it usually just feels like the creators don't respect their female characters or their audience, and that's a great way to kill my interest.

[@JediMB]

I did torrent Bodacious Space Pirates (what felt like a wonderful exception at the time), and later watched Dragon Ball Super... because it's Dragon Ball... despite its occasionally uncomfortable focus on Bulma's body. Then Crunchyroll drew me back in with My Life as a Villainess, and after season 2 one show just cascaded into the next: Gundam TWFM, Spy X Family, Do It Yourself!!, Bocchi the Rock!, Birdie Wing, Trigun Stampede, MagiRevo, I'm in Love with the Villainess (which I was already reading), and most recently Frieren and Delicious in Dungeon. There were some others, too, but most of them I had mixed feelings about. Plus, I stumbled upon a few shows that'd already been out a while that I truly enjoyed, like Otherside Picnic.

[@Skye2993]

What Anime’s and which genre’s were you watching because sounds like you were only watching Fanservice Anime’s like Ecchi, because mainly there isn’t that much Fanservice in the other genres like that.

[@JediMB]

@@Skye2993 I don't even know. I think I watched mainly based on recommendations, and maybe I just got bad ones. Even today it's definitely present to some extent in a lot of shōnen. Maybe not a lot of it, but enough to make me back off.

[@Skye2993]

@@JediMB Well let me ask this are we talking about Shonen, because you did say over barrage now with Ecchi Anime the Fanservice is the point of those kinds of Anime, but are we talking about the other ones like Shonen or Isekai where their trying to tell a story where the Fanservice is over taking it.

[@Skye2993]

@@JediMB The only reason I’m asking is because I do agree that when a story is being told Shonen especially some of the older ones don’t know how to balance the Fanservice at times like for example Fire Force and Fairy Tail where it doesn’t really fit the scene where it happens in or will destroy the tension an intense moment had in Fairy Tail and especially Fire Force.

[@chengong388]

Great analogy, Code Geass is like one of my favorite fan service shows, mostly because of that cockpit design, it's such a small part of the show, it's not even close in fan service magnitude compared to many other shows, yet somehow it's one of the most hot to watch. It's just like spice in food, you gotta hit that perfect balance. In the case of waifu fan service, my thinking is you have to strike the balance between having a very well realized and likable character, and then show some of her fan service. If you show too much fan service you compromise the characterization, if I don't care about the character then no amount of fan service will matter. But if you go too hard the other way with not enough fan service, she does not maximize the sexual appeal. I just recently found this older show Cross Ange, it's likle Gundam Seed +Macross +Muv-Luv +AOT, and with a HEAVY dose of fan service. Every fan service opportunity is like exploited to the maximum degree possible, yet miraculously, the show is never distracted by the fan service. They only exploit the fan service opportunities, they do not create them without a good narrative reason. In comparison, modern Isekai trash where entire characters can exist just to fill some waifu archetype but serve no narrative purpose.

[@xXxLovelyBloodxXx]

If an Anime gives me fanservice of female AND male characters, okay fine go at it. But because most of fanservice animes are not made this way. (Not even to speak about most of the characters being underage and are maybe baiting with gross lolicon garbage and incest bait) and even more so if the camera is trying to catch the fanservice Characters in any non con angle possible... Yeah f that. Im not watching that utter trash 😂😂😂

[@mysmallnoman]

What a snowflake clown

[@truteal]

-You've become desensitized, all non-hentai fanservice is going to look dull when compared to Wicked City or Toshio Maeda's work -Would you rather have modern day harem anime be a bunch of Tenchi clones? (because I would, that would be far more interesting) -The original Rosario + Vampire manga was more of a generic action Shonen Jump manga with harem undertones (comparing it to Dragon Maid and Monster Musume is inane) -Most otaku who watch fan servicey anime watch it because it arouses them, not because it's interesting or for the plot (and most otaku don't want shocking, upsetting, unpleasant, disturbing but meaningful and intimacy) -100 Girlfriends is supposed to be a comical satire of the harem genre (I think) -Lum was more violent/abusive (would you be okay with Naru using a cattle prod?) -The intended demo watches it for the trash factor -Slavery isn't that weird wish fulfilment in my view (if you let women choose, they'd probably prefer someone who isn't an otaku) or wanting teenage girls for that matter -Giving a girl long ears, a reptilian tail or the lower half of a horse or spider isn't very creative in my view (but some otaku are desperate for female designs that break the mold) -Unfortunately (for you) most Japanese Otaku (or the ones that are most likely to spend it on merch) want to just mindlessly consume fanservice and want to the be main plot instead of just the spice

[@chaserseven2886]

“Just consume and don’t ask questions”

[@mysmallnoman]

Agreed on everything Tho, the Rosario vampire point is Cope, the manga plot sucks anyway

[@KazeShikamaru]

Watching because it gets your dick hard? Well that's shallow. You guys live to support mid and below average trash as that stuff doesn't sell.

[@IdiotinGlans]

Heeey, it's the best writer of CBR now on youtube? I remember you from hanging out on Twitter, nice to see you on a slightly less toxic platform.

[@fruitgummi9084]

TLDR; Shows that acknowledge the existence of human sexuality VS shows that obsess and make the point of their characters to be sexual objects?

[@agramuglia]

Emphasis on the "objects" bit

[@honxiu]

there is no male fanservice 😂😢

[@agramuglia]

I actually cut out a whole segment on Yuri on Ice because i started going on about how, if they wanted to include more fanservice for women, they would have had more dad-bod Yuri shots. I realized though that might have been a weird tangent to go on.

[@yogafrogz]

Blame MeTooMovement

[@agramuglia]

....i mean, i dunno about that. Real assault is very different from fictional consensual intimacy.

[@Siksuki]

I actually missed out on the MeToo movements attack on monster girl brothels