Why is B&W More Expensive to Develop than Color

Video sponsored by Kamerastore:
www.kamerastore.com/?...
Support the channel:
/ nicosphotographyshow
Website:
www.nicosphotographyshow.com
Follow me on Instagram:
/ nicolasllasera
Follow me on Twitter:
/ nicolasllasera
Link to the film I use:
Color film:
Kodak Color Plus: amzn.to/2HKjJlC
Kodak Gold: amzn.to/2Ovb1YT
Kodak Ultramax: amzn.to/2CEN1hy
Kodak Proimage 100: amzn.to/2uuSNxA
Kodak Ektar:
35mm: amzn.to/2WtufAW
120: amzn.to/2JZD30n
4x5: amzn.to/2Wvu2NL
8x10: amzn.to/2WvtLdH
Kodak Portra 160:
35mm: amzn.to/2FJyzW3
120: amzn.to/2U7gVpj
4x5: amzn.to/2FGNG2B
8x10: amzn.to/2FGOswD
Kodak Portra 400:
35mm: amzn.to/2WEQnZq
120: amzn.to/2WEQKDi
4x5: amzn.to/2WERckY
8x10: amzn.to/2HQFdx9
Kodak Portra 800:
35mm: amzn.to/2HRwP0s
120: amzn.to/2JYhjBZ
Fuji C200 in 35mm: amzn.to/2HSskme
Fuji Superia in 35mm: amzn.to/2JXbncb
Fuji 400H:
35mm: amzn.to/2U7rHMh
120: amzn.to/2HR1Hy5
Black and white film:
Ilford Hp5:
35mm: amzn.to/2JXC8NL
120: amzn.to/2HRUJJm
4x5: amzn.to/2WAPsJj
Ilford Fp4:
35mm: amzn.to/2WCZNob
120: amzn.to/2WDQeVU
4x5: amzn.to/2uADrYy
Kodak Trix:
35mm: amzn.to/2uBoOEg
120: amzn.to/2WGI7Ip
4x5: amzn.to/2HQY2As
Kodak Tmax 400:
35mm: amzn.to/2HOUNJX
120: amzn.to/2JWgfyc
4x5 50 sheets: amzn.to/2WEHuiA
Kodak Tmax 100:
35mm: amzn.to/2CJd8Uf
120: amzn.to/2FQ6uhb
4x5 50 sheets: amzn.to/2HSZLVK
Kodak Tmax P3200: amzn.to/2WJ7p8R
Developing gear:
Developing tank: amzn.to/2HPw6Nj
Changing Bag: amzn.to/2U9AQny
My video gear:
My "Store": www.amazon.com/shop/nicosphot...
Main Camera: amzn.to/2CMZJdS
B Camera: amzn.to/2EM3wMa
Good mic: amzn.to/2CHbKCD
Run and gun mic: amzn.to/2CEjOEa
Lav mic: amzn.to/2CFGZ0J
Recorder: amzn.to/2qf5CK9
Disclaimer: This video contains affiliate links, which means if you click on one of the product links I may receive a small commission. This is a great way to support this KZbin channel at no additional cost to you.
#nicosphotographyshow #filmphotography #film

[@optimumfilms]

I think I might be too cheap to be good at film photography. I have never used a lab, started developing with c41, and some how I still really enjoy it. Fragged a couple rolls a long the way and loading the rolls in the dark is a unique kind of torture, but when you get it out of the tank and see images spooling off the reels, it's super satisfying!

[@jenohogan9254]

I'm really fortunate that my lab charges the same price for both.

[@NicosPhotographyShow]

You are!

[@obican]

Another factor (that probably won't contribute all that much after all the others you've already mentioned) is related to the design of the tanks. In small labs, color is done mostly using Jobo units these days and since these are made for rotary processing, they're not needed to be filled with chemicals as the film will come in contact with the chemical at the bottom of the tank as the tank is being rotated. Because of this, a very small amount of chemicals are enough to develop a roll of film. Jobo tanks use about 120-150ml for a roll of 135 or 120 film, depending on the exact model of the tank. In a Paterson tank, typically used for black and white film, you'd need 300ml for 135 and 500ml for 120.

[@inigonieto5969]

Thanks Nico!

[@NicosPhotographyShow]

My pleasure!

[@PiratePhD]

At my local lab they're the same price. I guess they have B/W machines and use the same developer for all of them. Home development is cheaper either way, so that's what I do for all my film.

[@NicosPhotographyShow]

Here in Europe its always more for b/w and many people dont know why, this is why I made this video. I knew that some cases would fit the story here, but Im glad to heard that its nlt the case all over.

[@-margot1457]

@@NicosPhotographyShow I wonder in which cities these good labs are in Europe, I can say I haven't found a reliable one yet.. one has a good development but they frequently scratch films and the costumer service is horrendous, the other one I tried develops TriX with ilford developer and makes me not wanna shoot it any more (too much contrast and grain) and on at least 5 films they ruined the last image

[@petervanorsouw2858]

Hi Nico, would Ilford XP2 a C41 process B&W Film have an issue with digital ice when scanned, as you alluded to with silver based films have ? As usual you have great ideas about 📸👍thanks.

[@keithswindell6212]

No, as with any C-41 film all of the silver is removed leaving behind only the color dyes during the development process. In the case of the B&W C-41 films the dyes are grey not colored.

[@arcanics1971]

My understanding was that colour could be bulk processed. So they can run all ISOs and films through colour at the same time, but each black and white film type and ISO has to be done on their own. You can't develop the HP5 with the Berlin Kino, like you can with the Ektar, Gold and Fujicolor. Which is what you said but simpler.

[@andrewbarnum5040]

I own a lab in the united states, I have a Noritsu v30 but also do lots of film by hand. I develop ALL b&w and color for 5 bucks per roll.

[@NicosPhotographyShow]

Thats a great price. Thanks for sharing Andrew.

[@michaelofmelrose]

Hey Nico this was informative, thanks. I ususally devolpe B&W at home and color I send out. For your US customers, I can suggest Samy's Camera in LA, they $6.00 (plus tax 10%) a roill for either for devolping only same price color or B&W. In Los Angeles this is a good price.

[@andrewbarnum5040]

Thanks for the suggestion but even cheaper is Andrew's Analog service center, based out of Philly, PA. Just $5 per roll, all B&W or C-41. You can find them at needfilmdeveloped.com

[@Mark-el8sb]

If you shoot B&W, just develop the film yourself. It's a piece of cake, the kit isn't expensive, and it gives you total control over the process.

[@weridpanthegeek]

I've personally just started that myself. If you really worried you can get Cinestill DF96 which is a mono bath (Single Stage Process)

[@NicosPhotographyShow]

I agree, but sometimes at the very beginning all of the process is scary. And I think its fine to rely on a lab until you gain confidence.

[@photobobo]

I process my film myself. B&W is considerably less expensive than color.

[@NicosPhotographyShow]

Yup, I do it too. This is mainly focused on labs.

[@clydeinverness1197]

Nico!! Buenos Dias!!

[@NicosPhotographyShow]

Buenas!!

[@BenMargolius]

Speaking of videos you've made in Spanish that people would love to see in English, I saw you reviewed the 6008 on the Spanish chanel and it looked super interesting! Would love to see it in English.

[@NicosPhotographyShow]

Its already in the editing room, should be out this week. We had some super8 footage we wanted to include but I can wait for it (2 weeks or more).

[@custodialmark]

thanx.

[@NicosPhotographyShow]

Most welcome

[@hermantoothrot]

No he escuchado "a manubrio" en todo el video. Vas a tener que repetirlo.

[@NicosPhotographyShow]

Marchando!

[@CertainExposures]

That's strange...no robot noises.

[@NicosPhotographyShow]

Can't make them 100% the same.

[@ceritat625]

Most labs here charge the same price, but this means there is no choice on which developer you would like used. I usually ask, and then go with the lab that uses the developer I would prefer, of course choice is extremely limited. This is one of the reasons I would like to develop my own BW, haven't got there yet but hopefully some day soon. Colour is easy, I have a small lab that I prefer, they do a great job with the least amount of dust and scratches on the negs. I never have film scanned, so I am not sure what that's like, I scan my own.

[@NicosPhotographyShow]

Thats nice they charge the same, here its quite a difference in price. Thats why when I made the spanish video everyone agreed. I hope the new developing series Im working on will help you kickstart that for you.

[@Super.Quasar]

Nicos, why has this been the opposite for the last 50 years ? Are C41 B&W films the same price colour film to process at your lab ?

[@NicosPhotographyShow]

In my area (country even) b&w is 30 to 40% more than c41 to get developed and scanned.

[@k0ba_]

👍👍👍

[@NicosPhotographyShow]

Thanks James!!

[@soundmixervegas]

Send my first 4 rolls to richard lab and shipping lost my package

[@NicosPhotographyShow]

Thats really sad. Im so sorry. Hope they end up somewhere one day.

[@soundmixervegas]

@@NicosPhotographyShow Really make the case for developing at home. Thank You for the great videos.

[@MichaelWellman1955]

BUT, it's much cheaper to develop your film at home especially B&W. Cinestill df96 is really simple and easy. In fact it is the only developer out there that you can use any B&W film using the same time like color. If you haven't checked out this developer/fix from Cinestill you should give it a try

[@user-ti9zc1xv2b]

Also, what you say is not 100% true, there are many labs who use replenishing dip & dunk machines for BW film

[@NicosPhotographyShow]

As I said in the video its pretty rare to see, at least I have never seen them and only heard ablut it a few times.

[@user-ti9zc1xv2b]

@@NicosPhotographyShow It also depends, I know Carmencita lab in Europe is very nice with BW, they develop it on a roll by roll basis, but there a plenty labs in Netherlands, Belgium area that are very lazy in this and they throw it all in a single batch. Thank you for your video's Nico.

[@user-ss6zt2mo1l]

People don’t do their own processing ? I’ve been doing both color and B&W for 18 years at home. It’s not rocket 🚀 science. Although the scanning is probably superb

[@NicosPhotographyShow]

Its a video focused for beginners or people with curiosity on prices. I have done my own stuff for a decade too, its easy but sometimes people dont want to mess with chemicals, or dont have the time.

[@user-ti9zc1xv2b]

Change your title, its misleading. Why BW is more expensive to DEVELOP than color...

[@NicosPhotographyShow]

Sorry it was misleading.

[@NicosPhotographyShow]

Fixed. Thanks for the help.