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[@MarphitimusBlackimus]

But why doesn't Into Sandy's City play in your city map?

[@kizmetmars]

Why don't you do an analysis about... smarph ass.

[@valletas]

Truly a worth question for the doom philosofer

[@DoombringerFPS]

@@disturbly Nah it was just such a big map that it was nick named Sandy's City. They had to make it smaller to fit the limits they were working under at the time. Or so I've been told anyway.

[@lugbzurg8987]

I like to imagine that The Spaceport/Starport is located in a place called "Sandy's City".

[@kayeplaguedoc9054]

You know the answer #HackFraudery

[@kduhtdkzrt]

Holy crap, Sandy Petersen has a KZbin channel? How the heck did KZbin not deem this relevant to my interests for the past 2 years? Thanks so much for the first person insight on Dooms creation Sandy!

[@SandyofCthulhu]

thanks! I have a twitter feed too for what it's worth but obviously I spend more time perfecting the KZbin stuff.

[@kduhtdkzrt]

@@SandyofCthulhu I know and am subscribed, but thanks to Twitters stupid algorithm, if you're not a native english speaker and are subscribed to more that a couple dozen people, all the english channels get completely drowned. Haven't seen a tweet by you, John Romero, Tom Hall or any other english tech/gaming related channel in weeks.

[@timothyritchie5290]

Was just thinking the same thing! Feel a youtube rabbit hole coming on 🕳

[@The8bitbeard]

Same. I was like "Sandy of Cthulhu? Wait, THE Sandy? As in Peterson?" Clicked, and sure enough, there he is. Less than 10k subscribers. Happy to add to that count.

[@Strawberry92fs]

right. the algorithm just blessed me with this today. I guess rewatching all the civvie 11 ID and Apogee/3d Realms episodes in a week cause the algorithm to open its mighty eye.

[@pastathedoomguy2905]

It's amazing to see that legends like Sandy and Romero are still very active in the Doom community after so many years :)

[@vagabundorkchaosmagick-use2898]

I hope they're doing well.

[@ChronoWarrior1996]

@@vagabundorkchaosmagick-use2898 this is accurate

[@HDramboDwango]

Yes its so fucking great!

[@vagabundorkchaosmagick-use2898]

@@ChronoWarrior1996 Best meme of the year, hands down.

[@trundlethegreat4682]

It's their legacy. I'd be pretty damn proud and want to talk about if I shaped an entire genre of gaming.

[@rakohus]

Hi Sandy, hope you're doing well.

[@sandypetersen6935]

fine thanks!

[@pixelcat29]

I thought sandy is suppose to be under water plus they look more man then female

[@Jacket430]

@@pixelcat29 it took me a minute

[@womandibles]

This joke isn’t getting the credit it deserves lmao

[@returnofbeaux]

@@pixelcat29 He is a bit of a squirrel, though.

[@lsb2623]

"OOH... and speaking of the Pain Elemental..." *sandy's head explodes and 2 lost souls appear*

[@singletona082]

... why do I find this absolutely appropriate.

[@tedankhamenbonnah4848]

Speaking of deathmatch, I remember my engineer student friends hooked up 4 computers so we could play DOOM. It was like magic.

[@HDramboDwango]

I saw the first time DOOM in 1992...a place in Austin Texas called AVG...I went there because I wanted to play Fighting Falcon F-16! I asked them what were the other dudes playing..they said DOOM! Seqwaying into....PRE HDrambo went to IVS DWANGO in 93-94 and was Blessed by DWANGOBOB made me the FIRST MODERATOR! The rest is HISTORY! HDrambo Shabash!

[@SandyofCthulhu]

did it crash your university network?

[@trem0lo]

In 1996 I installed shareware Doom on all my high school computer lab’s Pentium 75 machines. Seemed like the right thing to do.

[@ToddHimself]

I think the cacodemon never got a model because i believe its sprite was edited from the head of the astral dreadnought art from a D&D book.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

I don't remember ever seeing a Cacodemon model.

[@FFKonoko]

That could be effect and cause the other way around. Never made a model because they had a starting face forward sprite based on that art instead....or they based it on that art because they didn't have a model to reference?

[@AaronLitz]

"So now you know... the Mancubus isn't talking about your mom, he's just a pig." This is exactly why I watch your channel, Sandy. You're always so full of wonderful, fun, interesting, and funny information about all kinds of things connected to Horror and Lovecraft. As always, thank you so much. :)

[@HDramboDwango]

WOW YES SANDY BOMB AS FUCK!

[@StefanReich]

And all this time I thought the mancubi were insulting my mom. And boy did I make them pay for it.

[@DoomguyAV]

He’s accurate

[@NoobixCube]

I never knew it was a pig grunt. I’ve always thought it was one of the devs saying “mancubus”, highly distorted.

[@hypercynic]

I just learned about this from a Decino video the other day. And yet I still hear "Hump yo momma". And I couldn't be more glad.

[@rvaughan74]

"The Lost Soul we now all know and love." That's seriously overstating it, Sandy.

[@zatozatoichi7920]

))

[@DudeWatIsThis]

Hey Sandy. The first time I fought the Spider Mastermind, I pistol-started and ended up killing her with the pistol after using up all the ammo scattered through the level. Really intense stuff. Stellar level, well done!

[@SandyofCthulhu]

Yay SOMEONE else did it! besides me.

[@kaisy5826]

@@SandyofCthulhu there are plenty of people who pistol start every Doom level, it's an added level of challenge for people who beat it on Nightmare

[@robertmcknightmusic]

@@SandyofCthulhu I did that just the other day!

[@mina86]

Infighting is your friend. Get the goat in line between you and her and wait for fun to start. Tomatoes can help too. While she is occupied you can shoot at her with impunity. E4M8 is even more egregious (yes, I know it’s not Sandy’s map) since you can get her killed without firing at her once.

[@etansivad]

The reason that Doom broke networks is that Carmack used the IPX broadcast packet that is supposed to announce network topology changes (Like if a new computer is plugged in, if a switch goes offline, etc). Broadcast packets are supposed to be received, and forwarded to every listener, so as each player was added it increased the amount of chatter exponentially. This is what happens when game programmers write network code without understanding the paradigms :) A patch was issued to have updates sent as discrete packets to each player, not broadcast to the entire network

[@tankermottind]

*Sandy Petersen:* "A ranged invisible enemy might be problematic." *Descent developers:* "Hold my beer."

[@kevgmei]

I would have thought they would be not too bad because you can track their projectiles until I fought the arachnatrons protected by complete darkness in Doom 64.

[@tankermottind]

@@kevgmei Descent has cloaked *hitscanners*.

[@spooky5787X]

@@tankermottind I bet the devil himself has nightmares about descent game developers.

[@kveller555]

@@tankermottind The worst part is that your homing rockets won't track cloaked enemies, making the best strategy for taking out the hitscanning bastards useless.

[@papayer]

Spectre Whiplash: _slowly slithers out of frame_

[@Hellseeker1]

Sandy Peterson? Dude is a legend, and we owe just as much praise to this man as the 2 Johns, thank you sir, for all your work.

[@blockboygames5956]

absolutely agreed. :)

[@Chuked]

Agreed a gaming legend that inspired so many shooter games

[@Chuked]

@@avae5343 id never declined, have you played doom eternal?

[@SuperGreenqueen]

oh yes fo sure

[@KartoffelnSalatMitAlles]

wanted to like your comment, but then it wouldn't be 69 likes NICE

[@johnarmstrong5533]

For the record, I really like the "find the weapons in a hostile world" puzzle design which a player encounters when they're pistol-starting the levels. It's kind of odd how for a decade I didn't even know that that game mode existed, and now it's my favorite way to play.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

I take my hat off to you sir.

[@MakotoIchinose]

I am aware about pistol starting, but since 2006 (I was 7 years old at that time), I wasn't pistol starting by default until this year when I started to practice speedrunning.

[@dmas7749]

i pistol start becase i'm -terrible and too lazy to save- pro mlg gamer

[@Jay_Sullivan]

@@dmas7749 , that's my thought. I only started with a pistol when I died. I saw it as a punishment.

[@dmas7749]

@@Jay_Sullivan not unlike how you lose your weapon in the Contra games both games are similarly brutal for me, except i actually find Contra games easier

[@NGill-pt1vr]

I'd be super curious what Sandy thinks about some of the player-designed maps that have come out since Doom's original release since he was so involved in much of the original level design. There's so much incredible creativity and detail as Doom mapping has evolved over the decades.

[@DodderingOldMan]

Seconded. I honestly believe that the best level design talent these days isn't found in any actual game studio, but amongst the Doom mapping scene.

[@Skullkan6]

There's even a few Lovecraft themed ones. R'yleh is nice but way too hard

[@HDramboDwango]

HELLZ yeah!

[@Silverflower351]

Hey I would like to make some doom maps but where should I start and first of all where I should learn?

[@NGill-pt1vr]

@@Silverflower351 No idea how to make them, I just play them. Doomworld is probably your best bet for info, there's a thread on the subject here: www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/112092-how-to-get-started-on-doom-mapping/

[@Foxxorz]

Feels like I've died and am receiving the secrets of life

[@tobykassulke2385]

Hi sandy, hope you're doing well

[@Darth_Yersinia]

This is accurate.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

sure!

[@emilyding2496]

@@SandyofCthulhu , a quick question if you don't mind, but did you mess up Doom ll's final boss textures? SInce there was a gap between the wall sprites

[@Trowelhands]

Gregor Punchatz did an amazing job on building the latex models. He's a ridiculously talented monster maker. All you guys are. Rip & Tear~

[@gameenthusiast3790]

Doom 1993 is still my most favorite game of all time

[@DrMurdercock]

I see a man of culture.

[@rcx9681]

Yes

[@achtsekundenfurz7876]

awww come on, DOOM: Pinata Edition ain't _that_ bad... XD

[@robertrada4783]

Masterclass in level design.

[@GRORGvideot]

experiencing for the first time in 1994 the part where you take the (red?) keycard and the lights go out and the imps come, was so memorable and terrifying.

[@sirbattlecat]

2:19 I remember being impressed with Quake and telling my friend that you could see the corpses from all angles. That was amazing to me. This was great, I love hearing the "war" stories about games I love.

[@Balla_Bo]

I just want to say - pistol starting Doom has given me such a renewed appreciation for those old levels. I’ve played Doom on and off since ~1997, but I only started pistol start since 2021. I have missed out! It’s so much fun finding the best route based on weapon progression, and I see the care and craft that went into that part of the design.

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

Wouldn't mind hearing about Downtown and The Chasm. I've seen an early draft of Downtown among some developmental material Romero published a half dozen years ago, featuring wharfs/docks at the back of the level rather than alleyways. Also, I like The Chasm, for what it's worth.

[@tiefighter3445]

I like chasm too.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

Yes that's right. Originally Downtown was supposed to be a port city, with an ocean at the edge. But it was too obviously a shoebox, so eventually I gave up on the port idea.

[@lugbzurg8987]

@@SandyofCthulhu Do you still have the WAD somewhere? No doubt computers can run it effortlessly, now!

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

@@lugbzurg8987 D2TEMP.wad exists, you need to load it with doom.wad with doom2.wad as your iwad. The level order is different, and a lot of levels look different from the final. Some aren't even in the finished game.

[@dudleyvasausage7879]

I love the random reverb on his voice.

[@alexconner3958]

3:20 holy cow all I can pay attention to is the onslaught of Pinky Demons and I'm getting anxiety

[@destinysaiyan014]

I always thought the mancubus was saying "on your mark" Additionally for some reason I though the death cry of an arch vile was "oh my hemorrhoid"😅

[@SandyofCthulhu]

I never questioned Bobby about the arch-vile death.

[@tailfin6595]

Decino did a deep dive on the origin of a lot of classic Doom’s sound effects. The Arch-vile death is an interesting one to say the least

[@Silverflower351]

@@tailfin6595 isn't suppose to be a girl screaming??

[@ghoulsarefree]

I for one think Map24 The Chasm is a great change of pace from the rest of the game and an awesome high-concept challenge. I think the hate it gets is rather silly. If it wasn't hard it wouldn't be fun! And other than Map28 The Spirit World it's the coolest looking level in Doom 2. Love the Doom stories. It's no surprise at all you playtested with UV pistol starts, because your maps in particular are perfectly balanced for them.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

The Spirit World was actually adapted from a dungeon map created by my 10 year old son.

[@Scypek]

@@SandyofCthulhu Interesting! John Romero released a pre-release version of the Doom 2 levels, and among them was an early version of The Spirit World. It was ridiculously labirynthe and undecorated compared to the final product - it certainly makes a lot more sense as a dungeon layout...

[@QuantumParticle]

Love this video, Sandy! In particular that story about the networking contractor who scammed you is wild! The fact that Carmack got it working in time is testament to that guy's raw programming talent.

[@hypercynic]

That man is a god of code. I swear his thoughts must read like the Matrix code.

[@DoomKid]

Sandy, WHEN will you be blessing us with new maps? Even just one would be awesome!

[@SandyofCthulhu]

The current community makes such amazing maps. I am shy of sticking my oar in.

[@emkajeej]

@@SandyofCthulhu What's interesting is that levels nowadays get judged in part on their lighting sectors; the exact thing you guys decided wasn't worth using because the player wouldn't be looking at it.

[@DoomKid]

@@SandyofCthulhu I hope you decide to give it a shot sometime. Romero’s recent wad was really not that “modern” in style, but people still loved it!

[@Jay_Sullivan]

@@SandyofCthulhu , everyone wants to see your oar!

[@DarkElfDiva]

​@@SandyofCthulhu It's a big lake, there's always room for another oar.

[@I_Punch_Demons]

I didn't know Sandy Peterson had a youtube?! That is awesome.

[@baccy81]

You guys changed my life back in Middle School, I will be forever grateful

[@2005sam]

the fact that the og id software people are still around, and are socially active, i find that interesting and fun to know, why the fun to know part? they might be able to show modern doom modders some of the things that made the core of dooms levels (either doom 1 or 2) cause im sure there are many things that modern day doomers are doing wrong that make the og id guys cringe

[@INFILTR8US]

Actually, there are thousands upon thousands of user-made projects that blow the original DOOM games out of the water.

[@ArcaneAzmadi]

Actually I think the fact that OG Doom is still a relevant game today even after the second reboot is amazing in itself. I can't think of another gaming franchise where the original installments have remained so eternally beloved even in the face of the things that came after them other than Sonic the Hedgehog.

[@BF-Gator]

me: "THE DEMONS ARE DODGING MY BULLETS!" John Carmack: "No that's just my bad ai"

[@walterw8223]

You guys did a fantastic job. Amazing considering the restraints and limitations at the time. A few days to write network-code from scratch is completly insane. When it comes to levels, weapons, enemies, multiplayer, graphics, sound, music, gameplay and mechanics in generel, you guys set a whole new standard. In a lot of ways, Ultimate Doom toghether with Doom 2 has never really been topped.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

and all just 6 of us.

[@LeadMilkable]

I can never get tired of hearing about D00M

[@wesleyfilms]

Played DOOM back in the 90s when I was a kid, and started playing Call of Cthulhu in high school. Still gaming was the same group all these years later. Funny how I didn’t realize what an influence Sandy Peterson was on my life, even if it was a small part :)

[@generalesdeath5836]

Sandy. Thank you. You helped make something special, and it will always be special. You changed my life.

[@DoomKid]

12:00 So glad you guys got Deathmatch in and working well by the time it released! Doom was a true pioneer in international multiplayer gaming!

[@maximummatt73]

My man

[@mikejones-vd3fg]

Very true, Its basically the grand daddy of all multiplayer fps's and you could even argue all online gaming, Doom 2 had co-op mode for the campaign, i still remember playing it with my buddy via the modem all night and barley being able to stay awake at school the next day and couldnt wait to get home to play some more.

[@Wobbothe3rd]

@@mikejones-vd3fg Doom 1 also had co-op.

[@frangoos5557]

Man, I feel like a groupie. Your maps were the SOUL of Doom.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

I am a happily married man, sir or ma'am.

[@frangoos5557]

Haha no problemo. My romantic feelings goes towards the maps itselves!

[@DrMurdercock]

Sandy, would you want to appear in an upcoming FPS documentary? Romero and Tom Hall are on board so far. Would be nice to have you as well!!! I noticed memories are starting to fade for most of you id guys, time happens to us all, this is the perfect time for all of you tell the story in the best FPS documentary to date!!!

[@keesquortrup2212]

Yeah!! Say yes!!

[@DrMurdercock]

@@keesquortrup2212 I hope so. I am thinking Twitter will be a better bet for him to see my message. That's how I contacted Romero and Hall. I hope Sandy will come on board for this.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

perhaps. E-mail me

[@DrMurdercock]

@@SandyofCthulhu Sounds good!

[@DrMurdercock]

@@SandyofCthulhu Forgive me, but I can not seem to find an email for you, Sandy. I checked your about page here on YT and then some of the links. Where should I go to find it?

[@IloveOtherPplsMsry]

Nothing can possibly top Romero's story about the Icon of Sin.

[@JediMB]

So, regarding the difference in sales between Doom 1 and 2, my personal story is this: I live in Sweden, and my first exposure to Doom was through the shareware version distributed on CDs. I believe I had one disc that was distributed for free at an expo of some sort, and another that came with a computer or gaming magazine. I was literally 9 years old at the time, and had no idea what that mail order stuff meant, but eventually I saw the fancy cardboard box for Doom II sitting on a shelf in a home electronics store managed by one of my dad's friends and got that, assuming that "Hell on Earth" and "The Shores of Hell" were somehow the same thing. It didn't take too long for me to be proven wrong, though, as someone eventually handed me a CD called "EasyStart" with a bunch of pirated games (a concept I didn't understand at the time) including the full version of Doom. I don't think I ever saw the boxed store version of The Ultimate Doom for PC, but I did buy boxed copies of every other id PC game from Doom II (1994) through Doom 3 (2004), plus Quake IV (2005) if you count that. It wasn't until 2006 that I got my first legit copy of Doom 1, through the 2006 QuakeCon pack on Steam.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

Millions of others had your experience, which is why piracy hurt id Software. Not blaming you - you were 9.

[@JediMB]

@@SandyofCthulhu Thanks, but I was mostly trying to comment on how accessibility is an issue. The shareware model was fantastic for making people aware of and hooked on the game, but the sequel was bound to sell better when there were fewer hoops to jump through to get it. And... I just got curious about how Quake did, comparatively, since it went with both the shareware and retail models, and I had no idea about the issues surrounding its release. I can see how someone would hold a grudge after that...

[@juagoguago7961]

Really awesome stuff you put out Sandy. You might just be the last guy open to talking about the development of Doom, the death threats are definitely something I've never heard from anyone else lol.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

I think I'm able to be more honest about Doom because the Doom community is no longer vital to my career. I mean I like y'all but I am more into board games and such, so I don't care if I offended people anymore.

[@danem2215]

"You're all Satanists!" -Wacko to people who made a game where you kill demons in Hell

[@BrentWalker999]

So strange... This guy made his mark on most parts of my childhood. Thanks!

[@BlazingOwnager]

I truly think this is why Doom's artwork stands up so well compared to most other sprite-based games of the day, that they used images of something "really" there. It's like movies that used models in the 70s and 80s versus pure early CGI of the 90s and how one holds up but not the other. It made Doom age extremely well throughout the years.

[@subtledemisefox]

Yeah a lot of the Bond movies from the 60s-80s have actually aged better effects wise than the ones from the 90s and especially Die Another Day (that one had the worst CGI), especially watching them in HD or 4K.

[@BlazingOwnager]

@@subtledemisefox Fun fact, the submarine car in The Spy Who Loved Me was a real submarine built out of a Lotus. It couldn't transform like the film, but the sub car was real. A couple found it years later on a blind storage auction and sold it to Elon Musk.

[@subtledemisefox]

@@BlazingOwnager I didn't know that! Interesting. I always assumed it was a miniature model

[@BlazingOwnager]

@@subtledemisefox The other interesting one is the jetpack in Thunderball was a 100% real jetpack piloted by a stuntman. Though there's no way that thing was folding up in the trunk of a car like in the film.. hence the jump cut. (It was known as the Bell Rocket Belt)

[@zeeveestudios]

What I think is really cool is that your original idea for the lost souls actually ended up getting into the official Legacy of Rust expansion!

[@MichaelODonoghueMOD]

I'd like to know who thought up the Archvile. There's so much to that Denon. The way it sets you on fire when it sees you, it's cackle, the way it resurrects other monsters. Definitely my favourite

[@raynerfrossardcoslop7339]

man, john romero is going to have field day with this one

[@deceseze]

hi sandy, hope you're doing well,

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

A lot of these things line up with things that's been told in the past by others, if there's anything that's wrong here it's smaller details.

[@raynercoslop]

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine you never know until romero gives you the final judgement

[@SandyofCthulhu]

@@deceseze why all the greetings?

[@Asmodeus_6_6_6]

Thank you for what you made! Doom has been an important part of my life for close to 30 years now. I'm glad that it's still relevant, through the new games, and that the originals still enjoy a thriving mod scene. The original game series is such a handcrafted piece of art, and those little "artist marks" you see everywhere in the assets and levels make you feel so involved in the creative process of the games. It's the heavy metal of games, before the heavy metal scene blew up; indie, innovative, and powerful. Doom is like your favorite B-movie where the passion and creativity of a small team of artists radiates from every aspect of the production. Doom is like your favorite first album you were listening to before the band became superstars. I love that you and other creators are still talking about how you made the game, and there are still stories to tell about how this legendary series was made. From a lifelong fan, a sincere and heartfelt thank you!

[@DarkOvus]

Awesome story man, I'm glad doom 1 and doom 2 were created by you guys.

[@Optimus6128]

7:06 That was the thing I noticed on E2M7 that I found really cool, in the start of the level the lighting comes from the door and makes a band of floor brighter, it's interrupted by the pillar in the corner so there is another darker sector behind to create the illusion of shadow. That starting view made E2M7 very memorable to me (and the rest of the level, I personally love it, even though many people in the Doom community don't have it in high regard as far as I know) 8:48 I hated that secret, it was on MAP27: Monster Condo. It took me so long (and opening Doom Builder to inspect) to find this one. Whenever I play a map, I don't just rush to the next area. I make sure I clear everything from the beginning area. It was highly unlikely that playing this map I would ever avoid a lot of the starting areas and rush to the next big area (with the arrow in the wall) in less than 30 seconds. Btw,. there are some other mysterious triggers that I don't know where they were use, for example one that says "After 5 minutes, door opens and then closes". I know this one was used in Eternal Doom (A 1996 megawad, not the modern commercial game) in MAP05 where a computer monitor greets you, it says "come back to me after 5 minutes". So at least they let you know this time ;)

[@LangleyNA]

I love your "Dead Simple" map, "MAP07," and Bobby Prince's "Shawn's Got the Shotgun" piece that goes with it.

[@DrGonzo123456789]

Thanks for all your hard work Sandy. I play the original Doom to this day, which is a true testament to how good the design is...it's timeless. If I could rewind to 1993 and imagine that one day I could thank one of the developers via the internet, it would blow my mind.

[@koopanique]

So you're telling me that *this guy* is the Sandy guy from the "Into Sandy's City" song? Woa... so cool. So informative! Especially the process to create the sprites. Really glad KZbin recommended it

[@masheen_]

8:46 I knew I wasn't crazy. I could not for the life figure out how to get back there again. Now after 20+ years I can get there.

[@brunocolin960]

Carmack trully is a genius at progamming, and you are an incredible designer, Mr. Petersen! For just basically six people to pull such an incredible game amazes me every time.

[@HDramboDwango]

Sandy Peterson..check me out...I am hdrambo on DWANGO in 93-94..am HDrambo now...never changed my nick/handle ever since! I was Dwango/IVS their FIRST Moderator! Many IdSters played me! Even George Broussard but he wasn't an IDster just a CHEATER IN DOOM!

[@SandyofCthulhu]

George hung out with us a lot though.

[@benrichardson5798]

To be precise, Adrian made the clay models, while iD commissioned the latex models to Gregor Punchatz (you can find his channel on YT where he uploaded a video where he shows the Spider Mastermind's original mold here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKuVdqtjaLqKkMk ).

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

Yeah, the clay models were cool, but they found that when lighting the models for the camera, they'd warm up and the clay could just come apart in places when they altered the poses, which took time to fix. If you look at the Baron Of Hell's sprites, you can see that his hooves awkwardly shift a little in shading on some of the frames. This stuff took a lot of time and wasn't efficient, so they hired Gregor Punchatz to do the latex-steel models. Gregor's dad, Don Ivan Punchatz, was a talented painter, and they hired him on Gregor's recommendation to paint Doom's cover art.

[@Fuchsia_tude]

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine I thought it was the other way around, they initially hired the decades-experienced film and book cover artist for Doom, and he recommended his son to make their monster models since he had done similar effects work for film and TV.

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

@@Fuchsia_tude Might have been, actually.

[@HDramboDwango]

I LOVE Gregor Punchatz! He is a FUCKING GOD!

[@HDramboDwango]

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Gregor is FUCKING B0MB!

[@taiekvana]

Why is Doom perfect, and how was Quake even more perfect?

[@sandypetersen6935]

perfect? What about The Chasm?

[@thattruepyromain5635]

@@sandypetersen6935 we don’t talk about that

[@taiekvana]

@@sandypetersen6935 Another reason why it's perfect, the challenge B)

[@stephensalex]

Quake was certainly less perfect than Doom. Quake nearly ripped Id Software apart, and the duct tape and prayers holding Quake's seams together really show in the disparate themes quickly knit together with slipgates. Not to mention the fourth episode. The game's overall production quality rapidly declines as you play the campaign - Clear evidence that the team rushed to ship a game they spent all their planning time on and still had to plan during dev time. People only go bananas for Quake because it was a technical marvel at the time. TCP/IP was new to most people, polygonal rendering in software mode on a Pentium 90 was nearly black magic too. But in terms of actual production quality, Quake was a great engine tech demo. Later, when Raven used the Quake engine to produce HeXen II, then we saw a high-quality, professionally-planned title that shipped on an impressive engine. Doom is clearly the finest game franchise in the Id Software back catalogue - and for good reason. Even running the original shareware release on a period-appropriate machine in 2021, the game aged great and still holds up strong against any modern titles. Quake, on the other hand, was more the "game franchise with an identity crisis". The Quake series literally followed trends with each release. Same reason each subsequent title was entirely unrelated to the game before it. Quake's only real redemption is the multiplayer scene, clans, and the fact that it kept the popular focus with the team at Id Software in the spotlight. The studio flourished because of that attention they got. However at the end of the day, Quake was a disjointed mess. Quake II was unrelated, and was never intended to bear the Quake branding. Quake III was the answer to Epic's 'Unreal Tournament'. Quake 4 was Raven Software re-telling the Quake II story on the Tech 4 engine. ET:QW was Splash Damage wanting to make Enemy Territory in the Quake II universe, on the Rage engine. Quake Champions is a pile of Russian dogshit on a terrible backported amalgamation of the Saber Engine that powered the Xbox 360 10th Anniversary of Halo: CE. Not to mention that QC should have been a competition-ready polished shipping release with several patches by now, and yet it's still in Alpha.... Because they like lootboxes and microtransactions. Trash. Doom set the bar. No other game raises it, or has raised it yet. Raven has always been the yang to Id Software's yin. Id made Doom, Raven made Heretic. Id made Quake, which was a great tech demo, then Raven used the tech to make HeXen II which was good. Long story short; Doom rules, Quake was good because it let Carmack make better renderers and lighting calculations come to market.

[@taiekvana]

@@stephensalex I was talking about only the first game and how good the game itself was, not the effects of the game, or the public's reception. Besides, it was just my opinion.

[@blackbeardbarkbark]

I remember playing doom when it came out...I was 8 or 9. I would watch my dad and brothers play it too. My neighbor was really good at it and beat the game and showed us the ending. Classic 90 stuff.

[@CT-yc4gd]

It seems like the more I hear about the tech/software industry, the more I hear about cut throat deals and people back stabbing one another one a constant basis.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

id Software was a band of brothers, until the serpent entered our garden of Eden.

[@StefanReich]

@@SandyofCthulhu Who was the serpent?

[@MajandraFan]

@@SandyofCthulhu Do tell!

[@danielpcowen]

@@SandyofCthulhu Do tell. Or is the serpent more a metaphorical symptom of success (ie money)?

[@kveller555]

@@danielpcowen I'm not Sandy so I'm just speculating, but IIRC in Masters of Doom they say that Romero got a bit too much fame as the public face of the company, and it eventually got to his head, causing him to spend more time with fans and deathmatching than developing Doom 2/Quake. Everything went downhill from there.

[@nayutakes]

i miss my wife

[@glaubertbarros]

I actually like The Chasm, fond memories of playing Doom 2, thank you Sandy Petersen

[@sverr0r]

Same here, The Chasm offered something unique from a design perspective & I highly enjoyed when I first played through the game. Saame can be said for Barrels O Fun, unique design.

[@HDramboDwango]

Yes that level hard as fuck! I fell so many times! HDrambo Shabash!

[@foxd1e722]

There was 6 of us making Doom. CHILLS.

[@nigelhill74]

To us in Australia we thought it sounded like the Mancubus was saying “Undie Bum”. Undies is slang for jocks (underwear) so undie and bum went well together.

[@fusedtoast5367]

So. What would be amazing... is if you could show us or recreate the starting area you were thinking of for Doom 1. Or anything you could do in Doom mapping today would be amazing.

[@technologic21]

I just started Sigil 2 after a long Doom campaign. If you made new maps I'd totally play them. It'd be cool to have a complete ultimate Doom in my library with maps made only by the original crew.

[@AndroidFerret]

Doom is unbelievable amazing.. Especially since we got so many different source ports on android now ..play MILLION of mods on the go ...awesome

[@StrangeDuck]

this whole time i thought american mcgee was a company. now i guess its a person . mind blown

[@TheSquareOnes]

And apparently that's actually his real name too, not just branding. Reality is weird sometimes.

[@UrbanS_69]

My Tech Ed class in high school might as well have been Doom Deathmatch 101. Great memories!

[@kizmetmars]

Decino did a really good look into Doom's sounds if your interested. Mancubus is clearly a pig slowed down.

[@metalmayfantasy]

I'm so glad I found this channel, I'm just eating up everything you've been talking about from D&D to game development (when I was in college I realized I wanted to be a video game designer, but that passion slowly left me after I graduated and I got into MMA - I still have those creative passions every now and then though).

[@maltardraco9555]

The Chasm is the best map.

[@metalvideos1961]

what about the archvile? its my favorite doom 2 monster. anyway really cool to hear this kind of stuff. still doom 1 and 2 are my favorite games ever. everything about it is just amazing. and yes level 24 chasm is just one of the most hatest levels in doom haha

[@oscarjosefsson9300]

Got stuck on Chasm like 20 years ago. Bought Doom II last week to get revenge! Beat Chasm yesterday. Had to hand draw a copy of the map and make notes and everything. Maah! ;p

[@mondosuperior1394]

Ugh, what version of doom2.wad is playing?! The green medkits and stimpacks are definitely not the originals, and that medkit sprite is not even affected by the lighting! Not the ones from GOG or Steam, for sure

[@ClassicDOOM]

Great stuff, thanks for posting this. 👍

[@steven4666]

6:35 ...what...what the hell was that?!

[@vladuzaurus]

Dont kid yourself, nobody loves the lost souls, and pain elementals is the most devilish, and sadistic enemy in a video game ever. Love you sandy

[@Kackspack0815]

Isn’t it clear, that the shareware sold much less well than the full game!? Or did I misunderstand something?

[@SandyofCthulhu]

What I was trying to say is that Doom 1 got us WAY less income than Doom2.

[@Kinnakeeter]

The Chasm? Seriously Sandy? I love Doom II but it still would have been as iconic and legendary without that level.

[@sebastiankulche]

I dont know if it just me but i prefer playing maintaining my weapons over the levels (except when the episode ends in Doom 1). Also, i think some Doom 2 maps doesnt seem to be designed around the pistol start.

[@lordterra1377]

The guys that built Doom including Sandy are my heroes. They are single handlingly responsible why I wanted to learn about computers. Also they helped open a new door in my head, which led me to explore the fanatic world of PC gaming. You guys will forever be Giants in my eyes. Hearing you guys open up about the development process of Doom is like hearing a story of a fantastic legend, but it's all true.

[@HDramboDwango]

Man Sandy Peterson! Holy GOD! He is flying like Fuck! I LOVE HIM! This DUDE is HDRAMBO SHABASH!

[@casedistorted]

Decino did an amazing job with his doom sounds KZbin video showing that the Mancubus came from stock pig sound effects. Sadly though a lot of sounds from Doom 1 and 2 are still unknown or missing, which makes it hard for the HD sound mod guy to find them.

[@joshthenesnerd]

romero has done a few design commentary playthroughs of his episode. i'd be curious to know what kind of things you'd have to say about the design of each of your doom 1 levels. episode 2 and 3 of doom has tons of cool things packed into them.

[@MXVDJ]

I wonder what happened to those models used to scan the monsters in. I'd pay big bucks for one of those!

[@VentoliN13]

Jusr remember this. . . The Chasm map might be one of the most hated map designs in Doom history. . . But I bet it blew everyone away back then in the 90s. 😌 Thank you guys for everything and for the greatest video game ever! 💞

[@pangoprime8674]

Sandy, the network code guy who took your money and was a pathological liar. Was that Peter Molyneux? lol

[@Skullkan6]

19:10 So THAT is why the Pain Elemental has no melee attack!

[@Caseofgames]

Technically, neither does the cacodemon.

[@defaultdan9715]

Hey Sandy, I just wanna say, I know you get a lot of grief for MAP24: The Chasm. A map that is actually fondly remembered amongst speed runners, while at the same time is a map that to be honest, probably should have been touched up. I don't blame the lack of quality in that map as you were really just getting started. Plus you went on to make really awesome maps after that which are just fantastic. You should have seen some of my first Duke3d maps. The first map I ever attempted. My first time in any level editor. I thought you could make a door just by putting a (wall oriented) sprite with the door texture on it, onto the surface of a wall and the same sprite on the other side. Not to mention, I'm not even talking about a wall that is really just a double purple line - (In the build engine, a double purple line is a non outer-wall line that clips the player and is hit-scan meaning you can't shoot through Essentially, it's a line made to act as an outer wall line. Mainly for purposes to make glass and mirrors. I'll never forget the first time looking in the mirror at Duke, pressing the spacebar, and hearing Jon ST Jon in all his *bit glory, "Damn, I'm look'n good." Holy shit. I'm getting way off track here sorry. Anyway, Back to Doom. So here I am trying to make this door. My first time in any level editor, and I'm using Kenneth Silverman's extremely janky build engine. I knew nothing about tags and sectors, but I would go on to master the engine and make some fun maps for my friends and I to play. The point is just I've seen much worse then Map24 and it's better then some of my first levels for Duke until I learned the engine way better, So anyway after that you would go onto make so many great maps including the very first Doom 2 map. Entryway which is one of my personal favorite maps for multiplayer and singleplayer alike, oh and E3M6: Mt. Erebus. My favorite map from the 3rd Doom1's 3rd Chapter, or Episode rather. Sorry I just got up to watch some youtube before I lay back down. I hope me being 1/2 asleep on an ambien high doesn't cringe this message too bad. I just wanted to say hey to one of the legends of Doom. A man who I have nothing but the utmost respect for. You take care bud, and stay safe.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

I am happy to own up to The Chasm.

[@Capmikqc]

I think the idea of being able to beat every single map on Ultra Violence Pistol only as a requirrment was a genius Idea. Sure, starting a map all loaded up is a great thrill of power, but using a pistol, a few spicy maps on Ultra Violence(for me) got me heart pumping E1M3, E3M3, E3M9 (dat plot twist), AND THE WHOLE BLOODY EP 4!!! I also loved to play the whole package on ports, like the GBA (love the port for D1 n D2, and my loves, the Atari Port n Ps1 port... PS1 was great and easy do circle strafe my way to victory... but the lack of L1 R1 or equivalent buttons on the Atari makes the straphing far harder... but I do like me a thiic controler. (i have a secret masochistic relation with the SNES port) In any case, Mr Sandy, I love Doom and applaud your contribution, from one nerd to another, cheers ma dude!

[@Requiem100500]

"Unless a pig is talking about your mom" How can I be sure it isn't???

[@ryandgarland]

amazing behind the scenes commentary on how Doom was made.

[@craigferge4702]

Thanks Sandy for all your great work. But I hate your maps :)

[@jeepsblackpowderandlights4305]

i had no idea youre the one who came up with the new monsters i like so much in doom 2, i alway thought the mancubu was aying.. on your mark

[@Konohashinobi2007]

Oh man, watched a lot of your interviews about aoe2. I totally never made the connection that you were THE sandy from Doom! What an impressive career you've had

[@rebelrouzer5318]

Ive always thought the Mancubus says "gonna fuck u up"

[@Loke6661666246]

Who made the double barrel shotgun? Who's the mastermind?

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

Something which may have been intended to have filled the function of the Super Shotgun is mentioned in Tom Hall's design document, so it's possible the idea of it had been kicked around since the first game's development. For the graphics, they were drawn by Adrian Carmack.

[@fen4554]

How great would it be to have the original models re-worked into the game as hipoly meshes. Even better, as voxels.

[@davidtylers7334]

I noticed you worked on Quake 2 for about a year. Did anything you work on make it into Quake 2?

[@SandyofCthulhu]

I never played it (too busy with Ensemble studios). I heard that the starting animation followed the script I wrote, but id Software was always keen on erasing all evidence of contributions from past employees so my guess is anything of mine that got left behind is uncredited.