Why Is Every MMO Dying?

[@timothydonovan5647]

I played gw2 religiously for years. Started like many others in the beta and I played up until the first day the last map for SoTo came out. Did the Meta event and saw the rewards. Times are different people are older now. I was graduating H.S. when gw2 came out. Now im 30 and dont want to waste my time grinding for something I can essentially buy gold for with my credit card. I was using gw2 exchange and was in OTC, meta trains, just turned into glorified gold grinding. The fact I had to do raiding stricly through discord raid training servers was fantastic. However It was frusturating dealing with people who dont listen. Why waste my time trying to do end game stuff when people fail mechanics over and over again. I dont have time anymore.

[@ASchnacky]

Ur missing the point of what a game is and how to use them, u don't want to need to put time or money into a game, u want it to be available to play anytime without fomo, power creep, etc

[@timothydonovan5647]

@@ASchnacky I respect your comment but I agree to disagree. Happy new year!

[@ASchnacky]

@@timothydonovan5647 aight, there's a game called poe, its made by TenCent, and there's a lot of gambling, and you can use RMT to gamble more, maybe it'll interest you more. its defiantly NOT gw2, you should check it out.

[@Paint2D_]

I think the biggest problem with MMO's is that (almost?) all the big ones are 10+ years old. It's the same with RTS games there are no new games to introduce innovation into the genre and all the new games are "spiritual successors" or just strait up remakes.

[@NikeonaBike]

its hard to compete with the features and content of a 10 year old game, that's for sure

[@humblecanadian4206]

I agree with this. Content creators are always ready to throw time into a new exciting mmo there just never seems to be one

[@ShiyoKozuki]

@@NikeonaBike It's not if you design and set your game up properly, but these companies release bare bones games with no content update plan and take a decade to have enough content to qualify their pathetic excuse for a game for a "release". See: PSO2: NGS

[@takubear88]

Before watching it: People are less willing to spend the time, standards have gone up, people have become more "solo centric", monetization has become more egregious and generally just a lot more competition for our time.

[@dragunove1819]

"Why Is Every MMO Dying?" - first few seconds: "I am not suggesting that the MMO genre is dying" dude is Clickbait it's Father.

[@vatosanny]

trash combat , boring combat, generic combat

[@cylindercycle4577]

I found my Guild Wars CD today. "Free online play: No subscription fees! Buy the game, get an internet connection: done." and 20 years later the servers are still up and people are still playing. Guild wars levelling/progression definitely isn't for everyone, but it's certainly fair.. and the monetization is more than fair. I don't want free to play BS with gacha, I don't want another monthly subscription to add to the bills, just let me buy a complete game and run with it...

[@unl3453d]

before watching the vid: i'd say, that MMOs are too time consuming nowadays. you have permanent fomo and raids requiring to bring 10 or more player at the same time together (and we all know, that every week one is missing due to RL stuff)... thats just a lot of commitment i dont have time for the older i get. personally i quitted GW2 around 2018 for the sake of playing PoE leagues. after 3-4 weeks im done with my league goals and i play other games. something i never had time for during my GW2 times. and holy shit, did i miss out fun games all those years. just all the souls games, which i could have already played years ago... tried to get back in the genre with lost ark and T&L, but nope... too time consuming, too annoying to rely on others.

[@hirotakasugi4891]

Yep. People realized that their time is especially AFTER WORK is worth more than playing a game like it's another job. Games are supposed to be entertainment. If you make it grindy, let the people who work catch up and play how they want by letting them spend. You can easily balance this against the players who, let's face it there are still a good portion, who don't work and just play games all day (and they are not content creators).

[@kesamek8537]

For solo players the story is typically a lot less interesting than a good solo rpg, this is a major weakness. For multiplayer enjoyers, the repeatable content doesn't make good use of limited procedural generation to create genuine variety. In other regards the systems to master can be refreshed in a PoE-lite manner with a little imagination.

[@SilhouetteGaming1]

When is the Nike x Silhouette doom teatime happening?

[@NikeDnT]

first i have to squash the beef with you

[@ASchnacky]

Gw2 fits a perfect game for me, doesn't stress GPU, not owned by Chyna, low apm, able to stop and walk away anytime, good time waster when it's needed. Every game I try stresses GPU, is owned by China, is gambling, etc.

[@dtt719]

MMOs lost me when the focus went from being a world to a theme park and now what is essentially a lobby game. That and extreme rmt abuse. It’s just not worth playing any being offered. When I want my fix I’ll play on EQ on p99 or project quarm.

[@khadajhin8656]

MMOs are "dying" because the audience is getting older and older. Most young people nowadays are not really interested in these type of games because some are older than they are. If I recall what I played when i was younger it was shooter or pvp heavy games as a whole. Whilst most mmos have pvp its not the same as playing something flashy like valorant or league of legends for example. If I was in my early days right now I would prolly play valorant, lol(again) and cod. I think the riot mmo will give the genre a whole new fresh air but when it arrives I will probably have stopped playing games completely before. Im still playing BDO though but I start questioning myself about how senseless this is if you think about it for a second. And with a fulltime job MMOs just feel like shit regardless which one. Even GW2 feels shit if you want to improve at anything in a reasonable time. And thats the #1 problem with MMOs: time.

[@mattbnr]

As a life long mmorpg and arpg player I prefer Diablo style loot vs guild wars 2.

[@ASchnacky]

lol its gambling

[@christianflex4all]

Early archeage was the last mmo I enjoyed. You could go out into the world and make content. Now I’m in ffxiv teleporting from instance to instance.

[@Starshadowslight]

I just don't understand why they don't add proximity voice chat to MMO's. We are in the year 2025 almost, we have the technology, even with 10 year old games. It seems like the easiest and biggest thing to incorporate social interactions.

[@WildSoul10]

I think the seasons that ARPG's do that give player power, similar to roguelikes and new mechanics make the experience fresh almost every time and I would like to see something similar in MMO's. I think the fresh start, economy, gear grind, trying out a new build alongside everyone else is as close to launch experiences that you can get. The closest we get that is holidays which during gw2 release were very cool to explore. ARPG + seasons has a pattern of cash flows as well which GW2 is trying to replicate but the development time of an expac vs a season is vastly different. I definitely agree with the socialization aspect of a single player game, sharing loot or nice boss kills, is not something I see in MMO's despite the room for that to exist. GW2 could do some cool gauntlets or races but it's hard to say what would really resonate with the player base.

[@dfg12382]

MMOs are dying because publishers maximize for profits and not for player fun. Cooking a soup with the most basic taste might be eddible for everyone, but it won't be anyones favorite. I don't like EVE's gameplay, but I think it is the best MMO as they don't try to make the game fit everyone, but to make it the best it can be for the fans. Killing the social aspect of MMOs might make the game accessible to more players, but lowers the experience for the fans.

[@NikeDnT]

EVE has a huge advantage from a developer standpoint that they dont have scope-creep in their game. They dont need to maintain 3-4 very separate game modes. It can have a niche audience and survive because the scope is so laser focused.

[@Paint-with-your-brains]

@@NikeDnT Yep. They start with the reticle of "Harden the fuck up!" and that is what stuck. I would not be surprised if you had an old super alt parked in a coffin somewhere in null that has not been logged on since you found the need for a professional life. How many hours do you have logged in that game? It seems like the less cuddly part of you has been slotted into that game perfectly. Maybe you were just a member of the Hamcake Fight Club before it was cool. It has been a decade since I have played the game so I could not say that I recognize your voice from any time I had played.

[@sgtmajfoley]

EVE Online has its own problems, very poor dev's decisions in last year, too greedy etc., also it was mmo with the most expensive sub fee there.

[@protweaver2281]

They are just boring. Gameplay is based on repeating the same thing over and over. This could work 20 years ago, but people have evolved and want to experience new exciting things.

[@ShiyoKozuki]

if this was accurate, Classic Vanilla WOW and OSRS wouldn't be massively popular(and in classic vanillas case, more popular than retail WOW).

[@cjttruelife]

soooooooooooooo philosophical ... fuck mmos! some are ok, engaging, etc. most are bad.

[@WillyEast]

I recently tried playing MMOs for the first time. Major pain. Poor story design, few tutorials. Multiplayer is a misnomer. It is mostly single player where you just see others running around the screen. Most of them are copies of the other. Little originality.

[@ShiyoKozuki]

Tutorials are a huge turn off, is this how modern gamers think? I want ZERO tutorials in my game.

[@regulator18E]

What one did you try

[@WillyEast]

@@regulator18E Trove, World of Warcraft and FlyFF to name a few

[@lofasz3328]

Because they're fucking boring, plain and simple. Woahhhh picking 10 blades of grass for every quest and doing the same button rotation 👌

[@ShiyoKozuki]

Genshin being popular killed MMO's

[@yriel1]

gw2 is DEAD

[@cylindercycle4577]

Funny, I'm still playing GW1..

[@user-bn8dk4jb9b]

they're not. your intro is awful btw. click on this video just to make the comment

[@NikeDnT]

that hurts my feelings