Why is Fashion So Weird?

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It's actually my birthday the day of posting this so for anyone wondering my age, I am 21 today. I spent most of it editing this unfortunately because it took some tinkering to get the green screen right, but now it is done and I will go enjoy myself. This video touches on a some more controversial topics so I hope that I covered them sensitively but also with a bit of humour to keep it light. Thanks!
Artists mentioned:
@michaelastark
@sruli_recht
@jw_anderson

[@animanegra8913]

The barbed gloves, in my opinion, can be understood as an opposition to fast fashion: Once you put them on, you HAVE to keep wearing them.

[@l00r0lll]

you've cursed me with knowledge of the Skring I hate it

[@youwomanyou]

I fucking LOVE Michaela Stark. I first saw her on a Showstudio panel for Couture Fashion Week. She was dressed like this on the panel and I got it immediately. I love it.

[@kellyjass957]

i love her work too but i found out from one of her interns that she actually hates that her work is associated with body positivity and that overall she isn't that great of a person. so I've been giving her the side eye recently

[@fashionlover4]

@@kellyjass957 Ooh that's never fun to hear, I can see how you could be annoyed when your work isn't interpreted how you might like but I feel like if it helps a lot of people and they like you for that, it's something you have to embrace

[@hiwelcometochillis2579]

It's what fashion studients think is cool 💀

[@hiwelcometochillis2579]

They all do Rebranded (grunge, euro trash)

[@layditms2]

the styles are not fucking new !

[@maddiecunningham8247]

If you don’t like the Loewe flower, I wonder what you think about the Schiaparelli animal heads. I love Schiaparelli with all my heart, and the heads were beautifully made, but something about them looked so awkward placed on the chest

[@gluedglued1252]

the lion grew on me but the wolf one worn by naomi was just so amazing

[@fashionlover4]

Thoughts on this editing style compared to how I previously did it? (ignoring the poor audio)

[@glassedgrass]

I personally am a fan of more blog style just very to the point analysis of things. I think that where you shine as a creator is in that area, I don't personally think like the adding humorous bits and memes really adds to your content much.

[@geedorah3299]

IMO, it’s a little fast. If your talking speed was 5 before, this is 10, I think maybe 7 or 8 would be good, imo I liked the conversational pace of your previous vids, but that’s just me, maybe this’ll be better for KZbin algorithm

[@recentlyhannah]

I like it, the editing satisfies my adhd type brain :)

[@draagountold]

@@glassedgrass yeah i agree tbh

[@lusor1111]

Some people might think its too much going on but i think you had a good balance here where it makes the video more fun without taking away the focus from what your saying, imo this is your best video yet editing wise

[@AshAhms]

I remember stumbling across Sruli completely by accident 10 years ago when I was still on that fast fashion coke and spent hours wading through his entire portfolio wondering where the heck am I before inevitably plunging into the depths of tartarus that is the artisanal world. Haven't left since but this personal hell doesn't seem too bad.

[@drake7038]

Man Stark's work is visually impressive. Thanks for introducing.

[@levector2445]

That empyreum collection is about natural things looking artificial and vice versa, the empyreum is a flower that looks like plastic even when real, which is why its there.

[@Devananta-Rafiq]

The critique towards JW in the end is on point! He is so on brand with gimmick fashion I would say, he is so consistent with its theme.

[@Shordy9.09]

I like the direction the channels going. The topics and where you take them and research 10/10

[@Mx_Skull]

Really fun video! Love the green screen & editing u r doing. Also thx for giving me the words to articulate why my brain just kinda rejected the recent JWA/Loewe stuff. I felt it, but I couldn't say why.

[@jelly4790]

As someone who binds ,seeing Michaela Stark's work is both healing bcs I deeply resonate w/ her message ,and viscerally painful bcs I've had a lot of experience with bad binders. The strength she, her models, and her clients have to withstand that pain really fucking impressive, let alone posing for shoots

[@jacksonnunn3355]

The green screen format is soo good!! I love

[@glassedgrass]

Happy birthday! also its easy fashion is weird so we can gatekeep normies. But I do think that fashion is assumed as more weird than other art forms because of its inaccessibility for a long time, weird/avant garde music is often played in small venues with low ticket prices, the fact that wealthy and high class people are spending money on brands that do avant garde things is what is scoffed at. Minimalist and conceptual abstract art is also mocked based upon how much a piece costs, rather than it actually existing.

[@JoMomma]

More _normies_ in the industry would result in better fitting clothing IMHO

[@fashionlover4]

Great point about weird fashion being less accessible than other mediums. Your right usually the weird avant garde stuff is the cheap stuff before it's popular but fashion is the opposite which I think holds it back a little. I don't want fashion to get too 'democratised' but also not be too gatekept. I'd rather see more people dress a little better overall

[@fashionlover4]

@@JoMomma I agree

[@hiwelcometochillis2579]

@@fashionlover4 @Fashionlover4 i like that you're knowledgeable in fashion but I want to point out that the avantgarde and anti fashion (and even anti living like in architecture they reduce the space of ceiling in order to shrink and compress human perception thats what modern architecture is in concept) and was created in concept in the beginning of the 1900 and was reflected in all areas and all arts for example Literature: leaving authors for hipster poetry (since the 1900s to 1950) In architecture: modernist was created and le Corbusier 1900s 1960s was known by that and Bauhaus Music: rock and rap 1950s 1980s with lyrics of seggs druggs alcohol abuse etc Art painting: Andy Warhol irruption in the 1960s, changing of art Technics, (leaving oil paint 'belle arts' for basic graphic design and printings). Also street paint Dance: leaving ballet classical music for modern dance 1960s (basically suspiria movie 2018 talk about it and they show avantgarde art and dance) Politics: 1900s 1989, since Russian killed royals and the western created atomic bomb to protect from revolution movement. leaving royal administration for parliament administration, politics administration. ( this is off topic but parliament is more expensive for those countries that banned royals so parliaments and politicians are more expensive than royal administration) but they managed to make people think it was otherwise Cinema: leaving old Hollywood movies for horror films and psychological thriller, Kubrick started that One of the most important films that started avantgarde is clockwork orange even for the designer that show on mainstream platform avantgarde clothing. So basically in all arts they changed: beauty, harmony, symmetry, for disharmony and the opposite of those 😅To me personally there is like 20%in cool grade of doing or watching something in disharmony , but it's super redundant all designer's doing thrift shop clothes that looks folded or wrinkled used, is not cool, but I guess this fashion trend exist because teens often find aged things or decay things cool

[@hiwelcometochillis2579]

@@thotslayer9914 you probably joking 😅 but 90s 2000s goth is not personal anymore When a style is created have a period of time when is personal because is in full expression and development but after the trend is over then start to be a past trend of that specific generation and specific year That's why now there is a goth revival called e-boy e-girl but it's basically gothic revival

[@tibolemmens7586]

your best video yet man, keep up the great work!

[@memelord3348]

Easily my favorite vid from you. I have always felt a little troubled by how to feel about runway shows

[@paulanunes95]

thoughts are being tunk… Fashions relationship with art is so weird nowadays w social media etc but this minimalists clothes with a pop of “extra” (jw, roseberry) that “tells a story” it’s starting to become a thing - see Rian Phins video on that, very interesting

[@H3nryhawk]

‘I’m not number one but im up there’ 😂 got me good hahaha

[@bell1337]

Happy Birthday, Fashionlover4!

[@JoMomma]

7:23 what impact does designing exaggeratedly ill fitting designs have on _improving_ the trash the the ready-to-wear industry overproduces? I prefer to use my pattern-making skills to perfect the fit of clothing so that they don't restrict my mobility or weigh me down with excessive bulk.

[@fashionlover4]

I see what you're saying but I don't think Michaela's work really fits in with the rest of the ready-to-wear crowd. Her pieces are very expensive and up until recently she only really worked with private clients. I also generally prefer perfect fit clothing however I think there's room for her work which in my opinion is more for editorial, artistic fashion rather than ready-to-wear.

[@JoMomma]

@@fashionlover4 Her inspiration was ready-to-wear skinny jeans and I just don't see how making artsy ill-fitting clothes and selling them to upscale clients does anything to improve the standards of the industry. That's why *I* don't _fit_ in fashion.

[@marcus_anthony]

Happy Birthday :) Loved the video!

[@easyyeye]

11:25 Margiela did something similar with taste in Spring 2006

[@MWA35]

Those Moschino McD's outfits have nothing on the uniforms Gaultier designed for the Fifth Element

[@fashionlover4]

Those were amazing true

[@sams3015]

I love your videos and I’m enjoying this new style. It’s nice to see a quality in-depth Irish creator in the fashion realm. Before social media, fashion commentary in this country that wasn’t pretentious wanna be magazines or it was cheesy tv shows like “expose”. Also how the fuck didn’t I know JW Anderson was Northern Irish

[@fashionlover4]

Thank you, I actually started making tiktoks then KZbin videos on fashion originally because there was no proper fashion talk or community around me and it's been nice to see other Irish people also interested. Also yea I was the same until recently, thought he might be Welsh or Scottish.

[@sams3015]

@@fashionlover4 I thought he was like a New Englander. Definitely there is Irish who like fashion but a lot don’t even try indulging it until they travel or move abroad or at least to Dublin. I seen a thread are we an ugly population, compared to other Europeans? I wrote we are not but we too self conscious to style ourselves, we all fall into the NPC trap. Take the popular Irish men hairstyles; they really suits some guys but makes others look a bit odd looking…like something from the incredibles. The imprinting of Catholic guilt (in this case, the sin of pride) in Irish culture has a lot to answer for. That along with post-colonialism: Taking pride in your style, your apparence is still very much seen as stuck-up & anti-Irish

[@robbiee4310]

happy birthday!!!

[@I-dont--Know]

love the editing in this vid

[@bigbabyg]

Happy birthday my dude

[@youlookbananas]

I like the green screen format. Another great video.

[@nym5qu17]

This is the first time I'm hearing about Michaela's work. I love it!

[@germanpride]

happy birthday !

[@theirrigationnetwork9870]

happy birthday mr fashionlover4

[@Whodnl]

Fashionlover4 going crazy with the videos

[@docduck755]

Fashion is about desire, like any other art form, in any art you are the one that's making it beautiful with your imagination and understanding, even if the creators say that it is meant to convey this feeling or this meaning, at the end of the day you are the one recieving it, and everyone is different in recieving, personally i like pieces that have feelings in them instead of story cause giving it a narrative limits my way of recieving the art i'm talking about all art forms not just fashion, so to the people saying that avant garde fashion is trash and it's only for rich people, you just only having an opinion and its only your view that doesnt mean that the art is trash, sometimes even the prices that are put on the clothes is part of the art ykwim? You can do so much with the price it may be something little but it changes what feeling it gives off alot, same as names, it changes the way you look at the art, long story short if it was trash then why so many brands are doing it and so many people are buying it? Cuz there is something in that art that makes them buy or creat it, it gives off a feeling it pushes bounderies you don't always need narratives and meanings.

[@mycel66]

happy birthday sir

[@SM-ur3ln]

Holy shit not only do we have the same birthday I'm also turning 21 today. Happy birthday us!

[@fashionlover4]

Damn happy birthday!

[@pierreherve6022]

A really good video, interesting and dynamics, thanks

[@xBarneylord]

JW Anderson’s Flower is impressive if he worked with the fabric himself to create the “dress”

[@fashionlover4]

I know he does more draping than sketching so I'm sure he had some input but as creative director I doubt he spent much of his time creating it. I might be wrong of course.

[@3883emil]

Quality Reps is crazy

[@theOGfluffy]

i love the bane impression lmaooo

[@dentyH]

Idea: you and Mr (frugal) aesthetic should make a brand which bridges your independent designs with the accessibility of trendy fashion, in some way that is still attractive and respectable. Would be a pretty interesting presentation.

[@ihavenoclue666]

7:51 there are only two human beings that looks great in skinny jeans. and i'm talking about noah dillon and chandler ransom lucy

[@maxelling2739]

Loving the (seeming) increase in the comedic editing at the beginning, the “born in the condom” line had me dying

[@Tryingtostoptheburnout]

Hi, can you maybe make a video about Schiaparelli, about their vision and craftmanship as well as the artistic side of their fashion?

[@Tryingtostoptheburnout]

Ps. This isn’t a request just for Schiaparelli. I’m new to the fashion sphere so It would be interesting to listen to your opinions and critiques of specific fashion brands and their message or purpose .Quite like the video you did in comme des garçons. Not asking for a linear explanation on the brands or houses, just whatever you think is worth mentioning.

[@fashionlover4]

I definitely will in future, thanks for the rec

[@kat3325]

12:23 I would imagine that is the whole point, given it’s a leather brand. It’s their whole brand identity basically, starting from the first page of their website. So a lot of these pieces are a marketing of leather crafts they do. I kinda appreciate it, since a lot of mainstream brands like Gucci and LV are crazy lazy when it comes to it.

[@Vence.]

Your critique of the Loewe flower says a lot, as well as what you like, obviously. But it makes me wonder what's exactly the issue with expanding on what's already good and designed? Sure, flowers have already been done. But isn't there a sort of value and beauty of accentuating and presenting them, sort of like humanistic paintings or statues? Or what about the way that Ralph Lauren designs clothing with the intention of trying to expand on existing silhouettes in terms of actual qualitative improvements, like a sequel to a military jacket, at least that's what their designers have claimed. I'd argue that there's value in the appreciation and expansion of classics, basics, and forms that we know in general. It may not be as appealing nor thought provoking as this more abstract and strange fashion in art that you like, but it innovates in its own way, by nature in such a way that can prove to be more valuable because it's more palatable/less-challenging fashion or art.

[@paschal8719]

Lad!!😂 What is it with the accent, are you really from the republic? I thought you were American until the J.W. Anderson pat. Great Vid tho

[@understitchYT]

Call me a naughty boy but I watched this after the part 2 on patreon, but loved this video just as much eventhough you hate on Moschino, JW and Michaela and I love them all 😂 I totally understand your critiques, I just ejoy the fact they have their own perspective, even if its not the highest version of fashion (Moschino) I just appreciate that its *their* ideas - which is why I really am not a Chanel fan, nor Saint Laurent rn 👁👅👁

[@bellebelle7868]

That’s the beauty about fashion: you can choose what you like.. Dude hates the kitch of Moschino but Scott is my favourite designer!

[@baby.nay.]

Yea I absolutely looove Moschino , but this guy is also one of my favorite fashion ytrs. I just enjoy anyone that understands how to articulate what they like or don’t and why , fashion wouldn’t be fun if we liked the Saks things

[@zycry7870]

By now you are the fusion of Bliss Foster and Frugal Asthetic

[@ini.og1]

I personally like JW anderson's designs. it triggers an average person to look at it and say "wtf is this piece of shit"

[@TeoTMM]

🤪 crazy fashion

[@AlexHider]

Regrettably I have the i love Moschino disease, it’s incurable

[@Adovian_]

Fashion has devolved to a cringeworthy cashgrab so egregious I almost miss the DHL chaos of Vetements

[@taeasling897]

Could’ve mentioned ccp taxidermy bag and paint enjected animal leather

[@kong00000]

Skring is crazy man

[@wweep]

I shouldn’t have watched this during breakfast

[@GoatedPizza]

Habby pirthday🎉

[@penelopepegg7834]

I think her work looks interesting. I feel like a lot of the images aren't meant to be attractive at all, but show off the female body in a way which imo looks close to how we tie up meat, it looks like it's trying to discuss the way we objectify women's and people who don't fit the status quo's bodies along with beauty standards. I also think it's great to see more men talk about work like this in a positive light, as unfortunately I think when men validate a cause that otherwise irks men it helps ''normalise'' the issue, ergo better to digest.

[@easyyeye]

7:49 lmaooo rt me as an athlete with big thighs. Drop crotch is my comfort

[@thijsdudink3981]

frugal astetic?

[@305Babe]

I'll take JW.Anderson and his as you say Lazy Gimmicks An Day before I pay to have a Death Blazer or a Birth Deformity look that cost 3x more 🤔

[@305Babe]

Oh so this is a AD???

[@mondecoded_]

Yeah, from distance looks like designer lacking of ideas, or the idea is to just shock whatever wat

[@aomeng342]

bruh how you not gon put respekt on jw name seriously tho his flagship offerings (not his mass market streetwear stuff which is mostly disposable trash (dude should just put out perfumes if he wants to do margin products instead of cheapening his brand like that (the uniqlo collabs are less cringeworthy honestly))) are extremely well priced in the upper middle luxe market and generally unisex across all lines with very accessible sizing. Even his tshirts from that range have a great make and compelling cut to them. honestly he runs a tight ship and manages to keep rtw quality at or even above loewe production. Avoid his footwear tho, it's licensed out

[@fashionlover4]

I didn't have time to properly go deep on each designer, I might make a video on him in future but I did acknowledge that he was a great designer and it's just his recent work that I've been having a problem with really.

[@mota6336]

hi hello fashionlover4, please can u also explain faux deep collections cos it needs to be called out by a true fan. the latest Schiaparelli couture runway was puddle deep but has been blown up by ridiculous celebrity hype and it just screams “final attempt at the fashion hype old guards using stardom to make $$” on the back of a weak collection. in before ppl roast me w “technical skills this”, “dummy doesnt understand art that” ok yes, but idc.

[@tseamus8288]

Mochino being silly and exaggerate actually a very Moschino.

[@fashionlover4]

I know but I hate it lol

[@Lettyemmm]

Am I the only one who finds this man so attractive

[@paulanunes95]

No

[@xaango]

from harry potter to the creator of the skring

[@lucienlodger]

MICHAELA STARK !!!!!

[@peppermatch2984]

happy birthday gifted hater v2

[@easyyeye]

2:21 Tobey Maguire in anova life

[@aaronmoran]

☘️

[@darrenroberts6797]

I thought Carrol Christian Poell was weird

[@balazs7235]

I HATE that fashion constantly gets questioned and laughed at when it is more art than it is just clothes. Picasso’s “low effort” paintings are masterpieces, but if someone dares to create something unorthodox within fashion, non-fashion people shit on it and meme it. Artistic expression comes in different forms through different mediums and either way, it should be respected. I don’t agree with all forms of art, not all of them are good, but at the end of the day, they are not always for me, they are for anyone that find themselves to relate to said piece.

[@hiwelcometochillis2579]

Fashion Is not art, fashion is utilitarian with design and art references Art speak about itself If you wear "art" if you think fashion is "wearable art" it's not because you're imprinting the person human animal condition into the clothes If you put clothes to a dog that would be art? Humans are animals Thinking fashion is art is like saying the earth is flat or that the center of the universe is your house 😅 People confuse art with craftsmanship or artisanal well made But clothing is not art, is utilitarian in conception

[@balazs7235]

@@hiwelcometochillis2579 I understand your point, but I respectfully have to disagree. While it may be utilitarian and its main purpose is just to cover the body, a lot of us perceive fashion and clothing to be a form of expression. Just as you do with what painting you buy/make, the person that cares about fashion will buy/make garments to express their inner feelings, themselves. Just because fashion uses (not always) art or design references, why should it be discredited from it being ‘art’? Even art has to have a point of reference. KidSuper recently did a show where he auctioned off his paintings and put them on garments to have models walk while the people bid. Are the paintings are, but not the garments then? Or when textile canvases were hung up with a hole in the middle which models walk through and put them on their body. Are those painting immediately discredited from being art because it was turned into a garment or did it become no art when it actually became a dress? If nothing else, fashion is utilitarian art. Furthermore, you bringing up the earth being flat as equal to my statement is bigoted.

[@hiwelcometochillis2579]

@@balazs7235 😀 hahaha , it's not my opinion it's what its actually is by definition Obviously there is people that try to make it and say things like "paint colors are not just colors they're like poetry and every color have message" but that's just someone that is trying to sell something Or when people say "phones are not just a utilitarian tool, now phones are like orthopedic that is part of human" and they're just trying to sell phones, and then the facebook guy is trying to get people into get a chip or get metaverse and make people having a second reality And they say "what's reality? we live in a simulation " but they say that because they want to sell their apps and phones But in definition phones are utilitarian and fashion clothing is utilitarian, is not an opinion is a definition created for designers and the dictionary and academics and philosophy academics that dictate words and definitions 😅 Yeah

[@balazs7235]

@@hiwelcometochillis2579 Yes, I get that and to that degree, I have to agree. But for example, couture shows are without a doubt art.

[@hiwelcometochillis2579]

@@balazs7235 it's because people in general in English confuse (art) with (craftsmanship) Or (art) with (artisanal) For example they call people that do (Etsy water color, street spray paint, street portrait) they call it "art" but that's artisanal work (and is semi industrial because they make copies) There is craftsmanship in it and it's beautiful but it's not art per se, the same with couture garments

[@servidig483]

Hello Mr4

[@palle_w]

So youre actually 17?

[@docduck755]

Man i am so sick and tired of people complaining about an art, if you don't like it then why are you ruining it for the people that like it? I'm not talking about you fashionlover im talking about the people that don't understand avant garde art, yes ITS CUZ YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND ART is this what you wanna hear? Not every art has a narrative or meaning some art pieces convey feelings and affect surrounding things and people and culture, infact SOME of the art pieces that have narrative are weak imo cause they limit your imagination and they limit the way you recieve a piece

[@catregime]

Judgmental take: I feel like the first guy you mentioned who made the skring is a typical art school white guy without enough problems in his life to solve so he creates some…

[@fashionlover4]

Fair, he does kind of have that vibe but I think the products that he's put out are designed very well and interestingly, so they justify the bit of corniness that comes with them

[@kriss12loverap]

You are a cute looking guy. remind me of me. You are probably a special person where you are. a Special type of kind good heart.

[@matthewbuneta7579]

Honestly it feels like a lot of the stuff you dislike leans more into the queer/camp aesthetic....

[@user-sg4ov7ng4h]

Skinny jeans and a spongebob set??

[@tanyastoyanova6155]

7:23 Michaela is a big no for me. It's not about the fashion, nor the clothes but mainly the focus is on the morphed body. I would put her just in the "fetish" category. What does skinny jeans had to do this this? It's not like they were the only popular thing back then. Clearly she can do normal clothes (singers using them is their videos) but I guess nudity is the only way to become successful.

[@estebanico3262]

Nao, Michaela is great. She's more than just an option! (Hey, hey, hey) She refuse to be forgotten! (Hey, hey, hey) You took a chance with your heart! (Hey, hey, hey) Now you feel it taking over! You better find your lovin', you better find your heart! You better find your lovin', you better find your heart! You better find your lovin', you better find your heeaart! I bet if you give all your love, then nothing's gonna tear you apart! *endearing R&B music*

[@lopatoj]

what happened to your room bro why can’t I peer into your closet anymore

[@emanuelmejia7561]

sus fashion

[@remittri]

That thumbnail needs a bit of work dude, it's hard to read the text because the outline isnt thicc

[@bananabloon]

Nah ur 15

[@wheresmyrooptoff4056]

disliking moschino and JW big L

[@miguelaparicio2905]

do you support the IRA? if so, based

[@jemandjemand2362]

those are just examples for desperate mediocre designers, trying to stay relevant with whatever they do

[@estebanico3262]

No, Michaela is great and she's always relevant. It may not mean nothing to y'aaaaaall, but understand nothing was done for her! So she don't plan on stopping at aaaaaall, she wants this shit forever hers, ever hers, ever heerss! *cool rap music from either 2009 or 2010*

[@MyWifesSon69]

Balenciaga is the best

[@silverloveguns]

is that your son in your profile pic

[@fdvkkkkkkkk4542]

@@silverloveguns its actually me and yes thats my dad in the op

[@hiro11]

no way ur names fashion lover and you say "maybe looking ridiculous is apart of it" i really hope u said that for the viewer's perspective to fully comprehend the pieces that one would usually hate on.., instead look at it more as an art which it is. but like i was saying, if u didn't notice that or that thought hasn't come across ur brain then ur either really slow or very unaware.

[@layditms2]

Noobs

[@richierich8628]

Watch this on mute

[@no-wb9ve]

not weird unsubscribing 👎

[@danielallison85]

Mr fashion lover, what is your instagram

[@fashionlover4]

@fashionluver4

[@bozotutorials1896]

🤪 crazy fashion