Why is it so hard to learn the fretboard? & THE ULTIMATE FRETBOARD VISUALIZATION COURSE ANNOUNCEMENT

[@tomquayleguitar]

Hey everyone - David and I are incredible proud and excited to bring you this new course along side the new version of Solo. Thanks to everyone who's downloaded the app so far - we really hope you've found it useful in your practice and enjoy the great updates for the new version. Check out the new course and have a great day everyone! I'm off to enjoy the NAMM show 2024! Happy practicing! Tom

[@PerryCodes]

EDIT - just got a response back from my Feedback email. Excellent customer support too? This is a winner.

[@Mike-pv3hg]

Good form Tomas old chap

[@johnnorum1974]

Android users that bought solo need the same update as ios, its fair for android users don't forget that.

[@scottbelcher3654]

Definitely giving an upvote for an Android version...

[@levipenner]

I bought the course even though I'm android. Didn't think it would take this long for them to update android tho.

[@azcorazon844]

What a bad decision to make this iphone only. And then they call it a system like CAGED

[@rodolfoamaralguitar]

According to Playstore, over 5000 users have downloaded Solo, so as an Android user I'm honestly disappointed to not have an update after two years or so. Besides, in this update there is still not chord drones or edit custom changes (two of the most requested features).

[@DaveDurango]

Very disappointed. Maybe sales would be better if they actually advertised their product on KZbin. I think it's been 2 years since they've made a video about it? I could be wrong. I just don't understand why they don't use the Solo channel to do daily or multiple uploads per week. They could film a months worth in a day. Just playing through changes or quickly running through programs on the app. Perfect for shorts.

[@rodolfoamaralguitar]

@@DaveDurango The truth is that we Android users have paid the same for the app as iOS users and we have been left aside. So far we have not received any solution or alternative, such as the possibility of changing our current Android license to iOS (not even a discount coupon). The only thing I know right now is that if I want to use the new version I have to (apart from buying an Apple device) spend 18 euros again (which I honestly don't plan to do).

[@jamespitman3357]

I too would like an Android version. Wonder if downloads equates ro sales. He said Apple sales are way bigger than Android and not viable to do for Android at present.

[@Nikoo033]

@@jamespitman3357obviously downloads = sales since it is a paid app.

[@vashumashu4359]

I get that android is way more sandboxed and difficult to make solid reliable programming, but i just dont get how an apple crowd somehow is the overwhelming majority for support? It very well may be apple is more secure for the seller, since android is a slightly more wild world. But this will motivate me to finding a way to get it in my hands while its not even being offered to me.. i bought ireal pro twice once they had a real good version for android.

[@pjmverhagen]

Just purchased the course. What I love about this is that I no longer have to think about what to practice. Just follow the videos, practice and enjoy the improvement you will be making. Wish all courses worked like this. So, thank you. On a side note: you are a great teacher Tom and you genuinely come over as a really nice guy. That makes granting you my money really easy. I didn’t need much time to pull my credit card on this course. Okay, maybe my experience with Sølo so far made it easy too.

[@tomquayleguitar]

Fantastic!

[@josueesteban7783]

Hi Tom. Your app has become an important part of my daily practice routine. Can’t thank you enough!

[@eeeeeeee5063]

Still bought the course even though I'm an Android user. Already learned some really useful things that will be of big use in the future. Will always be supportive of the goat Tom! Though I can't understand why you guys didn't select a framework that allows you to build the app for multiple platforms at once, like Flutter or similar. One code base, multiple platforms. Such a letdown for non-Apple users. :(

[@MyAMJourney]

Daaang no Android? Ive got solo v1 but this looks so good. Too bad it couldn't be an update to v1

[@tomquayleguitar]

We currently would love to do an Android version but, despite a lot of people asking for it and subsequently us putting a huge amount of development time into version one, it just doesn’t sell anywhere near as successfully as the iOS version. We’re not saying it’s never coming, but it’s not going to be soon

[@balixong9704]

Are you planning to release the update for Android soon?

[@tomquayleguitar]

We currently would love to do an Android version but, despite a lot of people asking for it and subsequently us putting a huge amount of development time into version one, it just doesn’t sell anywhere near as successfully as the iOS version. We’re not saying it’s never coming, but it’s not going to be soon

[@dieuofficiel666]

No update for Android user ?😐

[@tomquayleguitar]

We currently would love to do an Android version but, despite a lot of people asking for it and subsequently us putting a huge amount of development time into version one, it just doesn’t sell anywhere near as successfully as the iOS version. We’re not saying it’s never coming, but it’s not going to be soon

[@douglassapola9527]

I bought the Android version (my only non-Apple device) and am loathe to have to buy an upgrade that is free to those that are Apple users…

[@melihgurkan5451]

I'm 45 and I think I've been waiting for this course+app for over 30 years :))) Thanks Tom hope to see you live in Istanbul someday...cheers...

[@matthewearl9824]

Not happy you only cater to Apple If you dont want to do Android, are there plans for a PC app?

[@tomquayleguitar]

We currently would love to do an Android version but, despite a lot of people asking for it and subsequently us putting a huge amount of development time into version one, it just doesn’t sell anywhere near as successfully as the iOS version. We’re not saying it’s never coming, but it’s not going to be soon

[@at5504]

@tomqualyleguitar I have an Android license for the Solo app. Can I transfer the license so I can use it on my Apple iPad?

[@gnatiu]

@@tomquayleguitar How could that be?!?! The market share ration of Android to iOS ist 79 to 21 percent WORLDWIDE. Very interesting.

[@rmelancon1]

I have the original Solo for Android and would buy the new version if available for Android.

[@tomquayleguitar]

We currently would love to do an Android version but, despite a lot of people asking for it and subsequently us putting a huge amount of development time into version one, it just doesn’t sell anywhere near as successfully as the iOS version. We’re not saying it’s never coming, but it’s not going to be soon.

[@rmelancon1]

Totally understand the business aspect of things. I'm assuming it works on Apple iPads. I'm an Android guy but maybe I'll buy an iPad for this. Thanks for the reply. @@tomquayleguitar

[@Wepeell]

Is the course still useful with just the Android version of Solo?

[@tomquayleguitar]

The course requires the new version of Solo. We currently would love to do an Android version but, despite a lot of people asking for it and subsequently us putting a huge amount of development time into version one, it just doesn’t sell anywhere near as successfully as the iOS version. We’re not saying it’s never coming, but it’s not going to be soon

[@zerosiii]

@@tomquayleguitar so how do I do the course if I purchesed it and I have solo but I dont have an iphone/mac?

[@JGAbstract]

​@@zerosiiiwondering about this exact thing as well. I have a PC, not a mac.

[@comeforh]

Hi Tom. Good to hear that you and David come up a new course. May I ask two questions about the two point system course? 1. Is it similar to the visualization course you provide few years ago? 2. Can I download the video after I purchase the course? Or I have to access the video through the website?

[@tomquayleguitar]

Hi comeforh! Thanks for commenting. 1 - It's a much more fully realised version of my previous course with a fully developed practice routine using Solo. 2 - The course isn't downloadable as it's a streaming platform.

[@menamgamg]

This is exactly why ive just approached improv by listening only instead of thinking about notes. People always talk about targeting notes but never how you do it and i just couldn't figure out how in the world all that works.. Very excited to dig into this!

[@tomquayleguitar]

Great! I hope you enjoy it.

[@angellovesjazz]

Can we have a way to transfer our Android app purchase to a license on the Apple store? Also, if Andriod isn't going to be equally supported it would be consumer-friendly to advertise that information.

[@gnatiu]

Exactly!

[@yonithys]

Bought an iPad just for this app, amazing work Tom and David, your course and app both are pure gold and exactly what I need right now!

[@tomquayleguitar]

Much appreciated!

[@gnatiu]

I don't want to talk bullshit, really, but hey - do we have to buy iPads or iPhones now, because we would like to learn and we'd love to PAY for it? Very frustrating and to be honest, Tom's standard reply to those who are asking for an Android update reduces the trust in Tom a little. I would pay much much much more for a system that would teach me the way to my goals. Sad.

[@JGAbstract]

Just to be clear, the course itself is available online for PC users too? Or is it tied to the iOS app in some way? I don't own a single apple product. Just want to be sure if the course is fully accessible to PC users, and what I'm missing out on if it's meant to be used in tandem with the iOS app.

[@tomquayleguitar]

The course is available for PC but you do need the iOS version of Solo v2 to use the course properly, since all the practice routines and teaching utilises the app.

[@TheJamieAbraham]

It's a huge upgrade and works brilliantly!

[@tomquayleguitar]

Thanks Jamie!

[@Richard-zs1bm]

I love Solo, such a great app. What would be amazing for a future version would be, in the chord changes section, to have the option to make the app play a drone of the root note of the current chord. There might be an issue with the mic picking up the sound from the speaker, but if you set the volume correctly it shouldn't be a problem.

[@icarusi]

I've always used the whole/half interval system for diatonic modes, so apart from the multiple note intervals, I'm always thinking in an interval based system. I was recently considering what are the fewest notes, of any diatonic mode, need to be played before its mode is defined. I think it was 5-6. You need the octave notes plus the 2 halftone intervals. If the halftone is next to either octave note, 5 notes will suffice. I think it will also work for melodic and harmonic minor scales & modes. If there's other than a 2 or 3 wholetone intervals between 2 halftone intervals then you're no longer in diatonic scales. A single wholetone between the halftones and you're in melodic minor + modes, and 1.5 wholetones for harmonic minor. More than 4 whotones in a row (or sequence using those intervals) you're out of melodic minor and in wholetone scales, more than one HWH interval sequence in an octave and you're out melodic minor + modes and into HWH multiples, repeat HW and exotica!

[@Phoboss32]

Toooommm, it’s like you read my mind. It happened that I am learning the notes on the fretboard (using Tommasso Z.’s approach) but was missing a companion to correct me if I play the wrong note. So this update comes like it was ordered. THANK YOU 🙏🏻

[@tomquayleguitar]

That's great to hear - I really hope you enjoy it!

[@PatDeJongeSoundwise]

Great! I bought the new course. I'm using a similar system for my students, but I'm sure you guys have put way more thought, time and talent in this then I could ever dream of myself. So back to studying! All the best with Solo2 as well! Cheers!

[@tomquayleguitar]

Awesome, thank you Pat!

[@streetwiseguitar5113]

This is gonna be very useful for me in my teaching practice, Tom!🎉🎉🎉

[@tomquayleguitar]

Awesome dude! Hope you're well! ♥

[@armandosinger]

Wow, this looks perfect for me! Buying. I was waiting on Solo because I wasn’t sure I was ready yet. Now I’ve completed learning the root notes and a caged study course, so it seems like the perfect time to jump into solo v2 and the ultimate course. Question: I was about to purchase David Beebee’s Pathways to Jazz vol 1. If I complete the ultimate course, will it make David’s course redundant? Would it make sense to jump into vol 2 after studying the ultimate course? Thanks!

[@link.2868]

didn't get the update yet :( can't wait to use the new version

[@richardstones6445]

Thanks Tom. Just updated to 2.0 and purchased the course. I am going to get a handle on the fretboard if it's the last thing I do (and at my age, it might very well be!).

[@tomquayleguitar]

Have fun!

[@siband1825]

I am one of those guys practicing the pentatonic in a 1 b3 4 5 b7 1 fashion. Not a good player me, but i like how you promote that kind of mindset for learning instead of the damned black dots which just down the line after many years make many people think: " i feel CAGED, boxed, 3npsed or whatever..." just like you say in the video. More power to scale degrees (or note functions) way of learning. :)

[@robmag6156]

Is solo version 2 available for Android? If not can I still use the guided practice routine? This would be the reason I would purchase this package

[@danielvelazquez18]

I have tacking on 20 minutes of solo app training to the end of my routine. Solo is a very helpful app!

[@tomquayleguitar]

Great! Thanks so much.

[@torijan1]

I have just updated app, beautiful! V1 was masterpiece and V2 is masterpiece on steroids! Give Tom and David music oscar for SOLO ! !

[@tomquayleguitar]

thanks so much!

[@mohitmasta7]

When is the Solo 2.0 updating coming for Android users?

[@gnatiu]

Tom's repy to this question is as follows: " @tomquayleguitar 2 months ago The course requires the new version of Solo. We currently would love to do an Android version but, despite a lot of people asking for it and subsequently us putting a huge amount of development time into version one, it just doesn’t sell anywhere near as successfully as the iOS version. We’re not saying it’s never coming, but it’s not going to be soon."

[@sunnibird]

It wouldn't look the same on my guitar since your tuning is different. Does the course take that into consideration? Because I've noticed you don't do lessons in standard tuning, which is understandable, but for this lesson, which is shapes it would make sense.

[@mpeskett]

This sounds great, I love the philosophy of this system you’re presenting. I remember learning about intervalic functions back in my college days but I was never able to apply it to the fretboard and can 100% relate to the frustration you’re referring to! So I’m keen to check out the course and the app! In my context I’m playing pretty much entirely diatonic pop/rock stuff. I assume the course and app will be great for that? I know it will cover a lot of jazz and non-diatonic stuff so I’m just curious if they would be a bit overkill for my context. Perhaps the concepts alone are worth the price of admission!

[@gemyneye]

Just signed up and I have the app and I am excited to exercise my brain and fingers!

[@tomquayleguitar]

Awesome!

[@MatthewFarrell-s2w]

Looks great, I wish this had been available when I started playing. I look forward to getting to grips with it.

[@tomquayleguitar]

Thanks! Hope you enjoy it.

[@musiccreation1198]

As a guitar beginner, this is priceless...thank you!

[@tomquayleguitar]

My pleasure - I really hope you enjoy it.

[@yeesenchai]

Any chance of extending the promo code?

[@gorbzzz]

How to setup the input/output on the app? On my Mac using my interface it wont "hear" a sound unless I switch to build in mic for the whole system.

[@stuffjoeyloves]

Is the promo still happening...I'd love to enroll

[@Chris_Nouvelli]

Two-Point System sounds great, Tom. I’ve been loving Solo since day one so I’m looking forward to diving into it further. I still adore that Ibanez, and respect to the Vulpix on the shelf 😂

[@tomquayleguitar]

Thanks so much, Chris!

[@paulo-miguel83]

Does this course work with the solo App for Android?

[@felipefarias7654]

The URL in not working! thanks for the update thought!!

[@efendikaptan]

Amazing update, thanks! One question though, I tune my 7 string guitar to all 4ths, but there is no option for that. Is it in the works?

[@tomquayleguitar]

We'll put it in the list of additions for another update.

[@tshynghr6832]

Coupon code no longer valid. Has this expired or is there a new code?

[@nelsonbrilhante]

Hi Tom, i'm interested in your course. I've tried the coupon NAMM50 but it's not available anymore. Can you extend the coupon? Thanks!

[@N4SixString]

What Ibanez is that

[@menamgamg]

What's the difference between this new course and the old fretboard visualization course?

[@tomquayleguitar]

This is way more in depth, presenting the Two Point System in far greater detail with a fully developed practice routine using Solo.

[@andrewkratz226]

You guys are the best

[@martoneill]

So excited!!

[@tomquayleguitar]

Awesome!

[@rockinvegan1765]

I have your first fretboard visualization course. Do I learn anything new if I get the new one as well?

[@rockinvegan1765]

Just wanted to buy the new course even though I own the first course, but the promo just ended 😭

[@scottwhitlow8468]

Please consider using affirm as a pay option so that way it is a little more affordable with a monthly payment plan. 👍🏻

[@ByHisBloodApparelCo]

Is there a left-handed mode in the app?

[@tomquayleguitar]

We're working on it.

[@johnnorum1974]

Android users that bought solo need the same update as ios, its fair for android users don't forget that.

[@thematsc]

Looks VERY interesting. When signing up I have to leave my credit card information on the web page. I haven't done that for an eternity as this may not be safe and therefor is a big NoNo for me. Why is there not an Paypal payment option? Will it be in the future? If you are 100% sure that your payment procedure is safe, please let me know the details thereabout. All the best

[@MyAMJourney]

Just use a cc. You can dispute any charge

[@johnsmithers5044]

I play with 4ths tuning.Would this course be applicable?

[@tomquayleguitar]

100% yes!

[@kadourimdou43]

These updates look good.

[@tomquayleguitar]

Thanks!!

[@HiImBQ]

"it (android) just doesn’t sell anywhere near as successfully as the iOS version" -- With this update, maybe that's because the Android version isn't updated, because why buy the app, when you don't get any updates, so of course it doesn't sell.

[@MyAMJourney]

Does buying the course give you access to the solo app?

[@tomquayleguitar]

It's a separate purchase on the App Store.

[@vancitycanucks]

Bought the app!

[@tomquayleguitar]

Awesome - I hope you enjoy it.

great job!

[@tomquayleguitar]

Thanks Jiri!

[@RobTeeJr]

I very disappointed that you have chosen to ignore owners of your Android version.

[@tomquayleguitar]

We currently would love to do an Android version but, despite a lot of people asking for it and subsequently us putting a huge amount of development time into version one, it just doesn’t sell anywhere near as successfully as the iOS version. We’re not saying it’s never coming, but it’s not going to be soon.

[@RobTeeJr]

Thanks for your cut and paste reply@@tomquayleguitar

[@sunnibird]

@@RobTeeJr It's literally the answer to the question.

[@FokNLegend]

I would go off on the android situation It's like saying I payed for half the product. Whilst the apple users get the full blown experience. Quite annoying.

[@gedinchristian603]

Merci pour votre excellente formation. Un regret cependant: que les accords des standards ne soient pas joués. On cherche des degrés mais sans référence au contexte musical sonore qui est particulièrement intéressant pour la formation de l'oreille, mais aussi pour la mémorisation des registres du manche. C'est bien dommage! Peut-être un UPDATE à venir? amicalement.

[@cameronfathers]

Hey Tom, dissapointing that you've dropped support for the Android version. Is it purely that there's not just enough of a return vs the cost of development? Have you considered partnered with other popular guitarist channels on like Rick Beato, Paul Davids or Nik Nocturnal to showcase Solo? I feel like there's a pretty large untapped audience of people outside your circle that would love the app/course. I found out about you from my Dad who already has a wealth of knowledge on many guitarists that he shares with me out there but not everyone has my Dad. I hope you consider it because your teachings deserve to be seen by more people and hopefully Android users could have a bit more of a chance if it proves to be successful. Appreciate you sharing what you have with us either way.

[@tomquayleguitar]

We haven't dropped support per se - we will still ensure that the Android version runs and works with every OS update etc. At this point we just can't commit to releasing version 2.0 for all manner of business related reasons. We've thought long and hard about it. Thanks for your kind words.

[@jjcoolidge6276]

Love Tom, but no Android = not buying it.

[@NSRider24]

Update the Android version please 😁😁😁

[@Smollie1]

Sweet

[@tomquayleguitar]

Thanks Smollie1!

[@Burnt_Gerbil]

On piano, someone says “play middle C.” Ok… right here. On guitar, I can play that same pitch on multiple strings, including harmonics. The fact that I can, even if it’s not practical, is the difficulty.

[@adrienblancke4826]

If you transcribe by ear, with time your eyes matches your ears and you learn all of that naturally, i don't understand why on youtube there is so many lessons on visualizing the fretboard and so little on transcribing by ear. ( i don't mean to critisize anyone). Maybe i am missing something that i don't see?

[@menamgamg]

I always transcribed everything i learn myself, so for me with improv it was more natural to take the samd kind of approach but really it's also because of a lack of another option. Kind of trying to learn to connect myself to the instrument so it becomes like singing.. so i can improvise and play melodically but i still dont know what in doing because im just using all the shapes as a map basically and nothing else. The way i see it, if i can understand the harmonical context of every single note im playing that would open up tons of possibility of experimentation to consciously focus on certain note choices i find interesting which would help develop my ear to intuitively play those notes as well.

[@adrienblancke4826]

But I don’t see how you can transcribe by ear and not consequently realize and see the intervals that you are playing and their relation to the root.Oooh wait I understand now it is because I did a lot of interval ear training on the instrument that I had this knowledge even before I started to transcribe by ear, I guess you can call it two points system. I get it now but still I think there’s always a big risk of emphasizing to much an app like this without talking a lot about transcribing by ear , which ends in a very mental, calculating way of improvising where playing the chords changing becomes more important than playing what you hear. That’s what the huge difference between a guy like Guthrie govan for ex and a lot of jazz/fusion improvisers. For a lot of them when they improvise, it sounds way to mental and not enough comes from what they hear…

[@menamgamg]

Yeah that's exactly it i think! Ive played for a long time and im technically very advanced but never knew even basic theory stuff until the last 2 years or so. Ive recently realized the importance of practicing hearing intervals and being able to identify them by ear, but it's very difficult for me even though i can transcribe pretty much anything. It's two completely different things and it's just another one of those things where i have to start from scratch and feel like a total beginner who knows nothing lol.. Ofc i have a big advantage already and will probably learn fast, but still been a bit overwhelmed with learning all that but i'm going to try to make it a daily habit to practice it.

[@adrienblancke4826]

I don’t see how you can transcribe by ear without knowing by ear your intervals?

[@menamgamg]

@@adrienblancke4826 Well... I listen and i play the notes i hear :P I just can't name the intervals.

[@123Ir0nman]

Need android version

[@MyAMJourney]

Wish there was a desktop app so i can plug my guitar into my computer

[@tomquayleguitar]

If you're on an Apple Silicon Mac you can run it natively in MacOS.

[@stratocumulusnimbostratus328]

Bad gateway trying to access

[@tomquayleguitar]

I think the URL’s are still updating. It’s working for me.

[@Voytek777]

Yes it's hard 😢

[@tomquayleguitar]

The course and Solo will help!

[@sihall1975]

Cool update, shame there's no Android version but at least I'll have the fun of buying the app again once I've bought a new apple product to practice on 😂.

[@tomquayleguitar]

Thanks!

[@hackerbuff]

Sorry. Would love to try the course but even with $50 off it seems very overpriced. 50% off and maybe - also no money back guarantee on offer? - Always a red flag.

[@tomquayleguitar]

You can absolutely get a refund if you're not happy. I absolutely disagree that the course is overpriced, but each to their own.

[@gnatiu]

I don't think it's overpriced at all. I'd lovingly pay much more for a method/way helping me saving my time. What I find very interesting is the non-existence of an actual android version. Of course you should also earn money! And a good idea is worth marketing. But that's exactly why I can't understand why iOS was chosen instead of the much more popular Android. Maybe Tom has always been an iPhone user and that's why they focused on iOS first out of habit. No idea...