Why Is No One Buying Modern Swedish Fighter Jets?

The Swedish JAS 39 Gripen-E fighter jet has faced challenges in securing export deals despite its impressive attributes. The Gripen falls into the category of a very light fighter, positioned below standard lightweights like the F-16 or Rafale.

[@renegadeace1735]

I bought one at IKEA and put it together myself.

[@warrior_singh111]

😂😂😂

[@encryptedwolf7623]

🤣

[@michealnyers184]

Does it fly good

[@rogueldr642smiythe9]

I SAID THE HIDAL!!!!!

[@ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow]

Bro prepares to bombard the annoying guests in his house

[@leebuckley7436]

The Gripen is small, absolutely gorgeous but designed for a completely different military doctrine. Their ability to disperse in times of war, be low cost serviced by a mobile team and take off from roads all over the country make it something special

[@neutchain7838]

Yup, land on a road, refuel, rearm, take off then disappear.

[@brownmold]

No mention of the datalink, and full integration with all other air and ground resources....

[@shawncooper8131]

It's a custom build.

[@DanielDos2]

Huh almost like there’s an ideal customer they could sell these that would bring colossal marketing potential…

[@weaponisedbattletoaster805]

I’m sorry but the looks of an aircraft aren’t something a military would care about

[@MM-wt2oo]

One big reason, it uses GE engine and would require US clearance for any sale. That’s the main reason it cannot secure an export contract

[@michaelmcginn7260]

Should switch to a RR engine.

[@herearewe]

The same reason for which Tejas exports are suffering. Hopefully, India will complete the domestic engine and also the most affordable plane (under development) for countries with much smaller economies. This gives them an opportunity to train their air forces.

[@mbc9290]

Good point!

[@1999NIRUPAM]

@@herearewe to circumvent that they’re going to sign for an LMU with GE by the end of this year which includes F 414 engine

[@mpondachongo1138]

​@@herearewe domestically producing aircraft engines is extremely difficult. I mean look at China, a country with a large industrial base and alot of money yet they still use/buy Russian engines for most of there aircraft.

[@Timoleon87]

Gripen can (while engine still running) rearm and refuel in 15 minutes on any 800*16m strip of road with a base crew of just 5 conscripts and 1 specialist, all loaded on 2 trucks. It only takes about 1 hour to replace the engine.

[@MajorCaliber]

Yes, but that latter operation, *replacing the engine,* is done with the engine NOT running! ;')

[@Timoleon87]

@@MajorCaliber hold my beer..

[@flxdrv5020]

Yeah that will never ever happen in actual operation lol

[@RICKY-RIKON]

And don't forget the capabilities to land and laid off from ordinary highways in case of one total infrastructure war scenario .

[@miriamweller812]

What plays zero role in warfare, but fine.

[@The0riginalTwo]

Don't post something with a question in the title without answering that question in the content, please.

[@mbc9290]

Essentially the entire KZbin/Internet platform… 😂😅

[@its_clean]

It's a shitty channel posting lazy content with an AI narrator, what do you expect?

[@petercraig6990]

He did answer it, the Swedish hypocrisy politicians and their inconsistent rules.

[@nerifterafrnam4682]

@@mbc9290we´re doomed

[@a8anasios666]

Its the norm these days😂😂😂

[@randomotter6346]

Brazil, South Africa, Hungary, Czechia, Thailand, Empire Test school(RAF)? Looks like a pretty good record to me for someone who is not the USA or Russia. It’s done better in the export market than the hornet or EF typhoon, and Brazil even got a licensing deal for the E/F variants. I’d say it’s done pretty good compared to the Viggen and Draken Edit: looks like I’ve started quite the argument. I’m just saying the Gripen has in fact sold alright and 6-7 operators isn’t bad. Obviously it hasn’t sold like the mig-29, f-16 or f-35. It just wasn’t a complete flop. People are buying the gripen, just if you’re friends with the US the f16 or f35 is a better deal in most cases, and if you’re not then no E/F model for you, so they bought rafales or sukhois.

[@IAMJEFFREY-cw9ns]

None of those countries you mentioned are global military powers. Yes they have Gripens but nobody is gonna attack them anytime soon. Egypt has 100s of F-16s in their inventory. Same with Israel! F16s and SU30s & SU35s are the primary choices for most nations. The Russians & Americans have fighter jets that have been tested in battle. Sweden is a nation that hasn't been involved in a war for 2 centuries😀

[@randomotter6346]

@@IAMJEFFREY-cw9ns true, but is Sweden a global power? Sweden isn’t the USA, it isn’t Russia/the USSR, it isn’t China. Everybody buys f16s because the usaf buys f16s. Everybody bought mig 21 because the ussr bought mig 21. Sweden sold the draken to 3 small air forces. No one bought the viggen. More than 2 thirds of gripen a have sold internationally. For any country that exports a jet, that’s amazing. Especially if you’ve never sold a combat jet outside of Europe. Sweden isn’t a huge military power, so it’s testament to SAAB that Sweden even has their own jet.

[@phillipsugwas]

South Africa bought them and have only a handfull which could now be described as serviceable.Reason? Incompetent, corrupt and self seeking cadres of the liberation movement. Endless bribes were paid to secure the deal.

[@jonlaurenzreyes1902]

Czechia didn't bought gripen they only lease/rent, while the rest only bought small numbers of gripen, there are more second hand f16 sale than brand new gripen. Brazil on the other hand have partnership with Sweden with Super Gripen which is completely different airframe and technology than older Gripen, the only similarities is the design so upgrading Gripen to Super Gripen is not possible.

[@jonpetter8921]

@@IAMJEFFREY-cw9ns I trust more Those countries expertise than a youtube keyboard warrior assessment.

[@marcelotoledomayer]

Brazil is buying a lot of Gripens , and is planning to continue buying for decades to come.

[@dragonfirexv]

I'd advise against it. It has an extreme handicap when it comes to locking on to targets at long range.

[@moapqd1]

1.5 squadron can't be considered "a lot", and after several delays SAAB was able to delivery only 7 aircraft instead the 26 aircraft planned up to 2024🤦‍♂️

[@stefand1254others]

​@@dragonfirexvare u the government or something 😂 u are nobody bro 💀🤣🤣🤣

[@mirchirock]

Kickbacks!

[@aaaaa-nw8hc]

​@@dragonfirexvTaking into account that its targets will be Indigenous people, teachers, peasants and proletarians, I think it will serve very well. 😂

[@jetolow]

griypen💀 as a swede i feel offended

[@lulamsinvestments2793]

😅

[@peterbray3724]

I hear you.... stupid AI voice.

[@kingken130]

I’m offended too as a Thai

[@bagelhunt]

what do you expect from a shitty AI generated voice.

[@charleshultquist9233]

jag med

[@RichardTLDR]

Gripen is hugely popular but F-16 comes with a more competitive package and support from the USA.

[@yxmichaelxyyxmichaelxy3074]

What does the F-16 have that the Gripen does not?

[@rocketassistedgoat1079]

​@@yxmichaelxyyxmichaelxy3074 Ubiquitousness would be the main one-they're everywhere, so you can get very good deals on them. My country, NZ for example; controversially turned down a very good offer on F-16s from the US. The truth is, I don't think we can afford an airforce. As an island, you'd want long range strike aircraft anyway which we definately can't afford. A focus on the navy, army, intelligence gathering and special forces I think is good for us. Anyway, everyone seems to agree: Gripen's superb for the price. It's other main competitor of course-IF you're allowed to buy them, is F-35: which dominates everything not called F-22 so is an air-superiority fighter as well as being able to lift F-111 sized loads, as well as being fifth-gen and all aspect stealth. Price for that, is now close to the promised 80 million too. Finally, Rafale is generally accepted as the best of this generation of aircraft, so sales reflect that-I don't believe that's simply marketing. Gripen is a budget product with premier-but limited capabilities. It's simply limited by cost, in a market that's only buying the upper level product. In the long run, that might change. Gripen is a short-range defensive fighter, so is ideal for a country like Ukraine. Better than F-16 even, as that thing is like a dragcar strapped to a glass-cannon, requiring long clean runways-that intake ingests everything. Gripen was designed for a war with Russia, on Russia's doorstep.

[@ed21x]

​@@yxmichaelxyyxmichaelxy3074 a global support infrastructure, lots of upgrade options/packages, interoperability with other NATO assets, cheaper, greater range, and higher payload capacity.

[@yxmichaelxyyxmichaelxy3074]

@@ed21x Than...?

[@yxmichaelxyyxmichaelxy3074]

@@ed21x Both the Gripen and the F-16 are geared towards NATO standards. Hell, the engines are both American. Duhhhh?

[@JoeBrown-hl6xt]

Sales departement and lobbyism from the US is unbeaten, regardless of the product aspects

[@mbc9290]

Of course, we own the “media” 😅😂.

[@mikesmith-wk7vy]

And we won’t certify it for nuclear weapon sharing programs trying to force countries into the f35

[@MarkkuS]

Its not sales team. It's the fact that US is the biggest customer, giving them economies of scale.

[@xrayban2]

@@MarkkuS more like US protection

[@LuvBorderCollies]

The F16 sold itself from Day 1. The most eager country to get them was Israel. Their outstanding pilots and superior training show what this champion Thoroughbred can do. I bet nobody here monitors activity in Israel on a daily basis. If you did you'd know the F16 is flying live ordnance missions almost every day for years.

[@herearewe]

India’s purchase of Rafales became a huge ad for the plane and the company. The orders for the same planes increased as soon as the agreement between India and France were signed.

[@xrayban2]

As for the F35. The Rafale is an option for nations that don't want the political and economic baggage that comes with buying American or Russian aircrafts.

[@raj-hf4wb]

@@xrayban2 one thing i can bet on, india would never buy an american fighters.

[@CatholicMalayali]

The Rafale was a very good decision but now we are choosing it over the super hornet, madness

[@CatholicMalayali]

​@@raj-hf4wbno, now we might and i sure as hell hope we do.

[@raj-hf4wb]

@@CatholicMalayali so, which fighter u wud be luking at...hornet is super old now, rafale-m is better and if some more will implemented from Indian side then orca will be a reality...!!

[@Albertkallal]

The real issue is if the Gripen could just generate a few more sales, then the per unit cost could come down. In some ways, the issue is much the same for the high priced Eurofighter. Spain, Germany, UK cut back huge on their original order commitments. As a result, the per unit price of the Eurofighter stayed around 115-120 per copy. In effect, by UK, Germany, Spain etc. cutting back on their orginal orders? Well, that then kept the per unit price very high, and that quite much killed their export options. The Gripen is priced at 85 million per unit. However, the F35 is priced at 77.8 million. And that low F35 price is ONLY due to large sales numbers. At one time, the F35 cost 200 million per unit. However, competitors to the F35 did not start their 5+ gen projects. Had they such products for sale, then the per unit price of the F35 would still be say around 160 million each. But, with Lockheed racking up such huge sales numbers, then the per unit cost drops. In many ways, the F35 is following the success of the F16. A lower cost single engine fighter. Most nations can't afford a high end priced Eurofighter or F15 at 120 million each. So, they tend to buy the lower priced single engine fighters like say a F16, or now the F35. And another great single engine fighter? Why of course the Gripen 39. However, with the Gripen being priced higher then the F35, then it becomes difficult to sell the Gripen at a higher price. And without more sales, then they can't get the per unit price down. This is kind of a chicken and egg type of problem. Intel can blow 2 billion on a computer chip. If they sell 2, then they are 1 billion each. But, intel sells them at $200 each, and they take boatloads of money to the bank. So, all the Gripen needs is some more orders, and they could drop the price a wee bit, and that would then create even more sales.....

[@StarkodderViking]

NATO membership will open up new markets. 🇸🇪🇪🇺NATO

[@Robert-xy4xi]

​@@StarkodderVikingNo it will not unfortunately! BAE SYSTEMS are the sales team for Gripen and have made several sales success but Sweden have vetoed the sales because they don't like the government of the sale country! In Europe, Switzerland wanted to buy 36 Gripen-E but the public said no in a referendum. NATO air forces all want the F-35 or F-16V. Hungary may replace it's Gripen-A with the E after a deal was made with Sweden to vote yes to Swedish NATO membership.

[@StarkodderViking]

@@Robert-xy4xi BAE is NOT the sales organization for Gripen. It's spelled SAAB. Hungary are actually buying C-version. You are skimming the truth here.

[@usanwin3250]

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[@usanwin3250]

Ppp

[@victorcapel2755]

Brazil, Thailand, Hungary, South Africa and the Checz republic all bought them. Hungary actually bought a couple more just two weeks ago.

[@Caiky_Barbosa]

There is a Saab factory in Brazil that will produce Gripen E

[@mybru1]

And Botswana, is also in talks to replace their f5's with gripens after they turned down f16's

[@victorcapel2755]

@@mybru1 That's good to hear, Botswana is a country that is doing good for themselfs.

[@tomascastillo4676]

Korean aerospace FA-50 block 20 has 75 percent of the Gripen performance at just one third of it's cost. And just 3.5 thousand dollars per hour flight cost.

[@nicco5518]

It's larger & more capable than korean F50, which Poland has bought. Also hungarians have Grippens, not just brazilians.

[@makoado6010]

4 remained form 8 and its a junk.

[@banderasbandita]

​@@makoado6010we have 14, and soon we get additional 4

[@makoado6010]

@@banderasbandita yep c/d trash.

[@keithbrien8929]

And South Africa

[@zotar9279]

@@keithbrien8929also Thailand

[@stargazeronesixseven]

😊🙏 Thank You So Much to Brazilian , Thailand Airforces & other Airforces that chosen Saab JAS39 Gripen to help support & enhanced their Air Defense Capabilities with affordable Aircrafts like these Swedish Saab JAS39 Gripens ... Not all Airforces needed big & expensive to maintain Aircrafts in their Airforces! 🌷🌿🌏✌🕊🇸🇪🇧🇷🇹🇭

[@yamazakiJumpei]

Gripen Was also wanted by Argentina back in the 2018, but the components of British origin made it unavailable due to blockade. Is a plane wanted by many but expensive to acquire and with a somewhat difficult logistic chain.

[@LplusRatioLol]

Gripen E uses F414 engines used in Fa18, not the F404 of Tejas mk1

[@_WilhelmII.]

Correct

[@user-ij3me4vu4s]

Everytime on youtube there is someone who knows even the littlest (smallest) of details. Tell me other little known thing about the gripen that you think not so many people know of

[@_WilhelmII.]

@@user-ij3me4vu4s literally everyone knows this though

[@user-ij3me4vu4s]

@@_WilhelmII. really? Go on the street and ask every people what engine does Gripen E uses, i bet you aren't gonna find anyone even if you ask 1000 people a day for 4 days

[@_WilhelmII.]

@@user-ij3me4vu4s All military aviation geeks know it

[@Rebellion90s]

No one? Not really. At least Royal Thai Airforce have them. If my memory served it was a competition between F-16 modernization, Su-30MK(T), and the Gripen, to replace the aging F-5. The F-16 offer was out early on and that leave Su-30MK and Gripen. The reason we chose Gripen was it is capable enough to defend Thai airspace, but Su-30MK can do so as well (with modification to be armed with NATO munitions) plus the capability to effectively maintain air superiority, however Su-30MK is more expensive to operate and the later capability is overkill to what we aimed for, plus as a nation that using primarily NATO equipment, Gripen is much more economic and logistical friendly.

[@yamazakiJumpei]

Brazil also got them

[@Space_Odyssey37]

Tejas mk II : F414 engine

[@7ElevenTruther]

It boils down to politics. A large portion of the Gripen is not even swedish. It uses an american licensed powerplant. The ejection seat is british. The fuel system is french. Becauses of this, all those aforementioned countries have the right to just veto export sales of gripens that would compete with their own aircraft.

[@diegobasterrica6311]

true

[@mohammedamine5877]

Also Sweden aren't much good at selling weapons, because of their wealth, they take that holier than thou position and most countries wouldn't even try to purchase swedish weapons because of internal politics in sweden that'll drag their country's name in the dirt and wouldn't permit sales at the end.

[@linmanfu913]

But they also have a reason to encourage it. The UK foreign minister was lobbying for Gripen in Thailand this week. The UK's share of Gripen is higher than its share of Typhoon and Lightning II orders.

[@mpondachongo1138]

​@@linmanfu913it would be less of a headache to buy an F-16 or an F-35 because you wouldn't have to satisfy the demands/conditions of multiple countries.

[@MsUpptaget]

Is this something special about Gripen tough? doesn't most aircrafts have parts from other countries?. It is mostly down to politics in my opinion, when it comes to sales.

[@lowtech5380]

The Gripen is a capable machine. More capable than this video is given it credit for. We know that Big business often hinders the expansion of capable war technology for the soul, purpose of making money and keeping the technological edge on friends and adversaries.

[@jkeelsnc]

Yeah. it is a little more expensive up front but the cost of operations and maintenance is a lot lower than an F35. That is not to take away from the F35 which is an amazing aircraft but it is a very expensive aircraft to operate and maintain.

[@hrhagadorn]

They also seem to have vastly different missions. The Gripen being this ultra light fighter is clearly more of a interceptor while the F-35 is an attack fighter with more of a first strike and bombing capabilities. If you are a country that has no plans or reasons to go to war any time in the next 20 years why would you need an F-35?

[@DecalageChope]

@@hrhagadorn To buy US protection with the F-35.

[@hrhagadorn]

@@DecalageChope So i think the F-35 is better in capabilities and looks. But for a country like say Costa Rica that may want say 30 fighters. Do they really need top of the line joint strike attack fighters or could a light interceptor fighter be better suited to their needs? Note Costa Rica has no air force, they have like 7 air craft mainly helicopters. But the point is more Costa Rica is not a country that will be getting into any wars.

[@DecalageChope]

@@hrhagadorn No country in the world technically needs the F-35. It's being sold thanks to political pressure.

[@miriamweller812]

@@hrhagadorn Interceptor against what exactly? NATO fascism meainly bombard helpless nations which don't even have an army, even less an air force. When it comes to actual armies, interceptor will do shit, that's something for your flight simulators. Ground air defense is a much bigger danger when it comes to NATO fascism's rivals. Only NATO itself does not care so much about air defense, because as said: they mainly slaughter helpless nations, so the focus on jets to attacks, not on the defense.

[@robertfarr9186]

And if you knew how the Swedish Air Force works you’d understand why it is a small “light” fighter.

[@keithprinn720]

didnt hungary just order?

[@zoli275]

Yes 3 at least

[@Gripen90]

They did and there are several Gripen operators. This video is just full of nonsense regarding capabilities.

[@tukangiseng]

Gripen is the underdog, it can operate from a street, serviced and reloaded by 2 people. Can start engine on its own without external power. One thing for sure. No one will be invading Sweden because suddenly, hundreds of Gripen will be "missing". And continue to fight from little places hidden, No airports? No problem. With its latest tech in place, it eats Sukhois for breakfast, and F16s for lunch. No, it's not stealth. Because instead of playing the stealth game, it will just flood your ECM so you'd be thinking thousands of planes is in your area. Its like finding a needle in a stack of needles.

[@mpondachongo1138]

It's going to have to do better than that if it wants to complete with the big dogs on the market.

[@tukangiseng]

@@mpondachongo1138 it's designed for a different doctrine. It's a small light fighter, sure it wont hold a candle against an f22 or f35. But against everything else? With latest Eccm it can eat sukhois for breakfast, and f16s for lunch.

[@RedXlV]

That's why it's so stupid that Switzerland went with the F-35 instead of the Gripen.

[@davidmills8726]

Sounds like the type of weapon system that a country expecting to have to field a resistance force against invasion might want. Taiwan springs to mind. Ukraine could quite well benefit from them, but nobody is giving Ukraine their latest and greatest systems right now. Instead it's become a dumping ground for the big players to offload prior-generation equipment that was going to be more expensive to decommission than to just give it to Ukraine. After all, last generation is all that's really needed to hold off anything the Russian Federation is capable of producing.

[@mpondachongo1138]

@@davidmills8726 thats a pretty great observation.

[@fabriciooliveira6886]

Uma correção, o motor do Gripen E/F é o GE F-414 e não o F-404 da versão C/D.

[@bulatog380]

Philippines will order those ✅ Cheaper price ✅ NATO- Supported software ✅ Can land on ordinary roads which is very useful for guerilla tactics

[@linmanfu913]

Yes, the Gripen would be the perfect choice for The Philippines.

[@mpondachongo1138]

Limited range Weaker radar than other light fighters Limited payload capacity

[@nenadmordzin6510]

@@mpondachongo1138 weaker radar you know you are talking about a plane who first operate with meteor misiles before Raphale F35 and EF has ever think to operate with Meteor.

[@mpondachongo1138]

@@nenadmordzin6510 and? Put the missile on a more capable aircraft.

[@nenadmordzin6510]

and nothing forget that i answer your questio ad answers said all i want to know about furher discusion.

[@zhubotang927]

Arms sales aren’t just arm sales. They are a geopolitical alliance. Modern systems are complex to maintain and update. Not many off the shelf common parts. Avionics are complex. Falling out of geopolitics favour can see your entire fleet grounded or not having air to air or air to ground munitions.

[@_WilhelmII.]

Ok, who tf made this video. Not heavy payloads? *meteor missiles left the chat* *fucking cruise missiles left the chat*

[@farrider3339]

Heavy load ? Gripen : hold my beer

[@stingerrgb2754]

It can't carry heavy bombs, or long range cruise missiles. So no, no heavy payloads

[@_WilhelmII.]

@@stingerrgb2754 Cruise missiles, long range or not are very heavy

[@TheGreyAreaBetween]

The air-to-air missiles on the Gripen E include infrared-guided short range IRIS-T missile, and the Meteor missile, which is a beyond visual range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM). The aircraft also has the flexibility to be fitted with Sidewinder and A-Darter missiles to replace the IRIS-T, and the Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) missile to replace the Meteor. It can further be fitted with long range weapons such as R-Darter and Derby, and short-range weapons such as ASRAAM and Python. The Gripen E can also be integrated with a number of air-to-surface weapons including unguided Mk82, Mk83 and Mk84 bombs, laser-guided bombs such as GBU-12, GBU-16 and GBU-10, and advanced bombs such as GBU-49 and GBU-39. Air-to-surface missiles such as RBS15F ER, TAURUS KEPD 350, AGM-65 Maverick, and MBDA’s dual-mode Brimstone (DMB) can also be integrated into the Gripen E. The E-series has a new and more powerful engine, improved range performance and the ability to carry greater payloads. It also has a new AESA-radar, InfraRed Search and Track system, highly advanced electronic warfare and communication systems together with superior situational awareness. It has the lowest RCS of any non-stealth aircraft too, and the record Gripens hold in red flag training ops has been incredible.

[@its_clean]

​@@stingerrgb2754Who's still launching cruise missiles from the air in 2024? Lol

[@AJdet-2]

Are we ever going to get a robot that knows how to speak correctly.?

[@Savage_Viking]

Yes, you will find it on F-16 videos. LOL

[@TheDrAkira]

The Gripen is a gorgeus design, but the Rafale its just a BEAST.

[@anonymjet4436]

Rafale is light? I thought it's medium weight or on par with typhoon

[@gwramim4807]

On par with typhoon

[@thrustvectoring8120]

rafale definitely isn't light

[@linmanfu913]

It is, this video is rubbish

[@azanudniy]

There is no such category as "medium weight fighter"

[@riodji]

​@@thrustvectoring8120rafale dry weight 10tons max 25tons full loaded

[@craigquann]

I seriously think Canada should invest into a small order of theses. For closer range fighters. Their small size and rough landing ability would/could be useful. Our aging f18s are looking at upgrades and we have F35s on order. But I think these would fit nicely for Canada's needs.

[@AdonNighbor]

I disagree but you do got some points it would give Canada a high low mix with a capable 5 generation and a very reliable 4.5 generation aircraft but in my opinion, I think Canada should be focussing more on keeping its Air Force extremely competitive with its enemies and promoting local production which Canada does produce some F35 parts in the country and has been a partner in the F35 program for a while.

[@TheInsomniaddict]

Gripens make a lot of sense for Canada. Huge landmass, not a lot of military budget. F35s are just too costly and Gripens have flown for decades in climates similar to our own. Besides, if Canada does get attacked the US will be there with F35s. Get a couple for training crews to service and flight training, sure, but make the Gripen the backbone of our native force. Also, if we do make a deal with Sweden we may be able to produce natively, which would be an all-around win for us.

[@AdonNighbor]

@@TheInsomniaddict you do have a fair point but I think Canada needs something more like the F-35 and at one point there was plans for the CF-35 a Canadian variant of the F-35 but it was cancelled

[@TheInsomniaddict]

@@AdonNighbor Yeah, and it's a lot less likely we'll ever see a native CF-35. US is right there and with it being higher tech, the US is less likely to allow foreign production. I think distance alone would make Saab more willing to allow production in Canada. Canada doesn't really need a few excellent multi-role fighters, outside of possibly NATO/UN missions. However even in those roles outside of possible war with Russia/China, the Gripen would be capable enough to fulfill our duties. And if we do ever go to war with Russia and China, we should be just as worried about protecting and patrolling our own borders. Gripens would mean more birds in the air which would help with detection and deterrence.

[@AdonNighbor]

@@TheInsomniaddict fair and I think it may just be better if we have both gives us a a high low mix with two extremely capable multi-roll fighters the CF-35 was cancelled because of Justin Trudeau and one of his promises was to open a fighter competition for Canadas next fighter jet but you’re probably right Saab would probably more open for Canada to make its own variant hell they allowed Brazil to make their own variant

[@Clavers1369]

The Gripen was designed for specific Swedish defence requirements, not the export market.

[@Jim_86]

JAS Stands for Jakt Attack Spaning = Hunt Atack Reconnaissance.

[@Flobann]

For me the Gripen is mini Rafale, the rafale should objectively be the only fighter jet to be bought, and for the ones who couldnt afford it, the gripen would be the "cheaper" version. For the country like switzerland or south america who dont plan to use their jet for somethin else than self defense, the "cons" of the gripen are in fact logicals concessions, otherwise the rafale is perfect and less expensive than others jet ^^

[@ProbablyAEuropean]

Tbh, the gripen is an amazing plane FOR ITS COST. In an industry that favours quality over quantity it is unsurprising to see the little export success. Even though i believe the gripen would be amazing in real warfare

[@-Trin-Cacau]

Brazil: *S W E D E N I ' M H U N G R Y*

[@arpandey7043]

The main problem is gripen is US dependent but rafale is independent

[@nichendrix]

I find very interesting that the person who made the video considers the Rafale a light fighter, eve thou it is a very big twin engine multi-role fighter like the Eurofighter Typhoon. Also the Gripen E/F payload capacity is 7200 kg (15900 lbs) , and the F-16 ranges between 6294.72 kg (15200 lbs) to 7700 kg (16975.59 lbs), depending on the specific version/block. Have about the same size and weight, the only thing they differ substantially is the internal fuel capacity, that the F-16 have more than 1,5 times the fuel capacity of the Gripen. So how is the Gripen significantly less capable than the F-16, if it is the same size, weight, and carries about the same overal payload weight, carrying more than some versions and less than other versions?

[@ivanteo1973]

you think buyers are stupid?

[@Perrirodan1]

Buying plane is full politics, some countries pressure others (US), some countries use bribes.

[@RobertBalejik]

and lot lower RCS ~3-5x

[@nichendrix]

@@ivanteo1973 no I don't think buyers are stupid, as well as I don't think buyers only consider the plane characteristics wje buying, there are a lot of politics and geo politics involved, often times a lot of corruption to, just looke the cases against Lockheed in the past, Boeing and Saab not long ago, etc. The fighters are both light fighters, but saying the Gripen is substantially less capable than the F-16 if complete and utter bs too.

[@ivanteo1973]

@@nichendrix you are spending millions/billions of dollars and not thinking?

[@3pleblow]

My country just bought those and they're fukin amazing.

[@michaelgnafakis430]

The Gripen is an absolutely amazing top notch bang for your buck fighter designed specifically to meet the tasks of their small northern country which it excels at. It not being widely adopted has nothing to do with how good of a plane they built and if you consider how small their country is and how good the plane is they deserve that much more credit. I always thought the Swedes didn’t get enough credit for how good their fighter jets are.

[@Crypto_Briefs_]

Gripen is perfect for a small country like Sweden. However, you can't compare Gripen with F35. F35 is like a technological marvel capable of fighting both on sea and land.

[@javiergonzalez12138]

Brazil bought them

[@Ace-rp7vr]

The Gripen actually has many different countries that operate them including Sweden, South Africa, Hungary, Brazil, Thailand, Czechia. so it’s not a failure on the market like the Su57 which is a joke of a plane

[@fukpoeslaw3613]

Suchoi-57 has great looks though!

[@durgajyothidanilayam7913]

Su 57,,king of fighter jets👍

[@fukpoeslaw3613]

@@durgajyothidanilayam7913 Ace calls it a Joke(r) (🃏) you call it a King (👑) I call it a Queen (because of the great looks) Who's gonna call it, the Sukhoj-57, a Jack?

[@stoplossmr]

and f22 is also a failure on the market just because something isnt sold,. doesnt mean its bad.

[@darthgamer2014]

FYI one of the reasons the Gripen isn't being exported is the simple fact that... There really aren't that many of them right now.

[@emanuelfigueroa5657]

1) Gripen is offered as a cheap fighter, but if you country wants somenthing cheap, buy a second hand jet. Argentina did this buying used F16s. 2) It uses an american engine, and british avionics, those two constantly block sales. So countries like Vietnam, Armenia, simply dont ask for the jet.

[@brentflora8965]

I think that you are a little out of touch! The deal sealed between Saab & Brazil (with Embraer allowed to do its maintenance), MAKES Brazil the Port of entry for the Gripen into South America! Are you taking into consideration, the Philippines Air Force acquisition of J 39s?

[@BohemianFish]

Dude can't decide if he's making a video on the GrYpen or the Grippen or the GrEEpan.

[@hr1meg]

@BohemianFish Its an A.I. voice.

[@fishsayswhatsgoingon]

I: wish I could buy a SAAB. The government: we have SAABs at Air Force.

[@Wolfgulfur]

Correction: Why is Gripen selling faster than almost anything not named Rafale?

[@Hufffy]

Hungary just ordered 4 of them on 23 February 2024...

[@farrider3339]

These were part of the agreement to let Sweden into NATO.

[@nicolasolton]

How much did Orban pocket?

[@marius-cristianplesca1983]

The best planes are the ones of own production... This will ensure that in the event of a war you are not dependent on the delivery of spare parts and ammunition...

[@prednosttrake]

Biggest issue is the fact you have to assemble it yourself and uses only 1 Allen wrench.

[@shafalashafala7771]

Good jet good price.. You go with Tejas

[@monkeyrater]

There is no reason that the Gripen should cost more than the F-16. F-16s are very cheap, but Saab tries to price the Gripen in the same category as the Rafale. So no one is buying.

[@ThorSuzuki1]

He is talking about the Gripen E which is miles better than a F16. The Gripen C is similar in cost to the F16 though.

[@triplocore]

@@ThorSuzuki1 Also, Gripen C beat the F-16 in exercises.

[@Mo-re8yo]

If it wasnt for some random short, than i wouldnt have learned, that sweden producess fighter jets for another decade.

[@kathrynck]

It's really a perfect aircraft for the "low" in a high-low mix.

[@shataneekbhattacharya8088]

Man if India just adds another LCA to the roster, it will be golden. After the first crash of Tejas we need to focus on training our pilots even if it means importing foreign made weaponry to get the job done.

[@rayjynx]

hell no. 1 single crash doesn't change anything, it was a general electrics problem not a problem of the overall plane. tejas mk1/mk1a is a stepping stone for mk2, after which we can move to tedbf and eventually AMCA. we'll be way better off operating indigenous jets for a variety of reasons

[@darshan5726]

crash happened due to engine failure

[@shataneekbhattacharya8088]

@@rayjynx it's very difficult to be honest to manufacture an indigenous engine, problem is the lack of exotic materials which can withstand that much heat once the full thrust is engaged that is where most engine fails. The SU-75 is a good example the main reason it can't be a good stealth based fighter is because it had to make do with a different engine where as looking at aircraft such a F22 , F35 and B1 they have managed both speed and stealth at the same time all because of how it managed to hide the engines. I have full hope on the stealth capability of Tejas but that engine problem has been persisting for so long, no one would like to have the Mig-21 scenario again. But until the technology is perfected it will also be great to have some foreign based aircraft see at the end of the day it's the pilot who is the in charge in the combat and not the machine. I don't know much about AMCA honestly but the conceptual art is badass , one makes it look like a vampire bat and I think it has an EW capable nosemount as well and one is the downward parabolic wing one which looks much closer to the F22 but with curved wings.

[@imperial_Dragnix]

First build schools 38% population is uneducated

[@shataneekbhattacharya8088]

@@imperial_Dragnix completely different direction buddy

[@archmagosdominusbelisarius8836]

Hungary just bought them

[@sille126]

Air fare: Saab Grippen: 23.000 Euro/hour. Eurofighter: 72.000 Euro/hour. Something to think about!

[@CatholicMalayali]

Gripe E is currently an option for our nation. It is similar to our Tejas but may carry some advantages

[@anshadedavana]

I am not a fighter jet expert but i don't think that it has any significant advantage over Rafale. Besides that, iy require permission from USA, France and UK (major parts are from there). I don't think that those counties will allow a big buyer like India to skip thier own fighters and choose a Swiss one instead.

[@AdityaRaj-ru9br]

Nahh mate

[@espiritodanatureza]

Gripen has the same engine of F-18 not Tejas

[@raj-hf4wb]

so, which engine does tejas use ?

[@darshan5726]

gipen -e has ge f414 and gripen c uses 404 same as tejas

[@jerryavila1]

No one is buying!?!?? What in hell are you saying? Brazil and a host of other countries are buying it as if there were no tomorrow! So what are you saying?? Do you work for a competitor who is losing out on deals?

[@RedXlV]

Brazil is the only export customer so far for the Gripen-E. Though it seems very likely that some of the Gripen-C operators will buy it in the future. And Ukraine is very big on getting the Gripen-E, which would be just about perfect for their needs.

[@goliath3413]

@@RedXlV South africa got some, no? And Hungary

[@RedXlV]

@@goliath3413 They both have the Gripen-C. It remains to be seen whether they'll buy the E model.

[@kitsunehouse3504]

@@RedXlV hungary has them on lease. South Africa and Thailand has them too. Philippines recently ordered a squadron of Gripens

[@RedXlV]

@@kitsunehouse3504 Again, I'm talking specifically about the newest generation Gripen, the JAS 39E/F. Those nations all use the JAS 39C/D. They're still Gripens, but the E/F models are a significant advancement in capability. So far, only Sweden and Brazil operate the E/F models. It's very likely that other Gripen operators will upgrade in the future, but they haven't yet.

[@luckie79]

Grippen is an extremely smart design, in time of conflict in Europe it will be so much more useful then i.e. F-16. Grippen can land and take off at any strip of reasonably straight 1km road, the service crew is 5 men, who can be very mobile and hide in the forests, which means the aircraft can operate even when air base is damaged. Refueling takes 15 minutes. I am frankly very surprised that country like Poland did not go for larger number of Grippens over F-16 (which need clean runway to take off) or even F-35, it would have made so much more sense for them in case of conflict with Russia, who is the only threat.

[@marcosavila8215]

f/16 is in another level, the amount and diversity of heavy weapons she can carry is actually mind blowing if you taker in consideration is a very small fighter

[@Noobixm-GGD]

Gripens are good but most American jets come with maintenance and support deals, as well as the reassurance that it’s the goddamn US of A.

[@nenadmordzin6510]

US mayor deal of maintenance or any other western aircraft is three years Gripen offer 10 years of maintenance to Croatia politics got the final word instead.

[@doriamedina]

"the graypen"

[@BensonCaisip]

The Gripen's low cost would make it perfect for air forces with smaller budgets, like Philippines.

[@johnstark4723]

Learn proper pronunciation or find a live person instead of a robot

[@23Drazse]

Typhoon and Rafale to larger or richer countries. (like Saud-Arabia, India, Emirates, Egypt) Gripen to smaller or poorer countries. (like Hungary, Czekia, South Africa)

[@DOCBIGB]

F16, Raphael, Gripen Jas E all are medium weight categories. Categories are based MAINLY NOT SOLELY on combat payload ability and combat fly zone not by the size though size becomes second directly propotional variable when you consider the categorization markers.

[@dejikay2564]

The Tejas although better is facing the same problems... but it will be fixed with Tejas Mk2

[@emreener]

Also, Sweden is a terrible political partner, as you also have to buy into their pacifist political vision if they're convinced to sell you the product LOL. How about no..

[@danhaffar]

I'd take pacifist any day over the war mongering crazy old fools we see here and there.

[@MrAkurvaeletbe]

Stop talking out your ass

[@Chimpunk729]

Too many vendors to build a gripen, creates a logistical nightmare to maintain also need to have a good political relationships with all countries vendors. Too complicated

[@linmanfu913]

As opposed to the F-35 where key parts are made in multiple countries, and all operators are forced to share a single logistics chain that includes Turkey and Israel?

[@LocalDeepstateAgent]

Issue is, it has little radar and EWS capabilities which means no jamming out and also most likely to lose in any air to air combat scenarios since the enemy aircraft will have achieved lock and fired befor the gripen even attained a radar signature. Lastly the lack of carrying heavy weapons means no multirole which is what 99% of non specifically for air dominance designet jets go for.

[@PBurns-ng3gw]

The Gripen is like the old Supermarine Spitfire. Insanely good at deploying from local airfields for home defense with minimal logistical needs, but not well suited for more strategic roles.

[@Goofyjigga360]

It looks so cool

[@Tortuex_]

also because everyone buys USA fighters... I feel like these fighter jets would be way more suited for Luxembourg, Montenegro or Switzerland

[@Savage_Viking]

San Marino and the Vatican too.

[@cenata]

My country chose F-16 instead of the Gripen. We paid for them although they were still a drawing and the factory wasn't even built. We are still waiting for delivery. We could have had the Gripen in a matter of months... I guess the decision was made in some embassy, if you know what I mean.

[@amoron6435]

Whats crazy is the grippen went crazy in popularity in like 2021 for being able tompull like 11 gs lol

[@diatribe114]

I think one of the big issues with the aircraft is you're still at a disadvantage against a F-16 with updated electronics forget out aircraft such as the F-35. It also doesn't have a payload capability for air to ground. The F-16 can slide into a multi-roll fighter if need be. It's not great, but can be.

[@RohitRaj-qu9qv]

The Only issue is the American and french Geopolitical stand, that weighs way more than that of Sweden.

[@abhishekchakraborty63]

This is a really good fighter. And even though it uses one engine it can super cruise. If only sweden could develop its own engine.

[@colombianguy8194]

Colombia is in the process to change it's combat aircraft. The old Israeli Kfirs are just too old, Colombia has the only active fleet of kfirs in the world. So right now the Colombian government has three options: the Grippen, the Rafale and the F-16. The swedish guys are doing lobbying like crazy for the contract. I hope that they win.

[@robhobsweden]

It's soooo cute how the Gripen is mispronunced in so many ways, in one small clip. :D

[@gamesong6600]

It's an amazing fighter jet most countries should consider keeping a small fleet of these.

[@robotorch]

Buy F-16s if you don't have money, buy F-35s if you do have money and aren't a pariah

[@dallasyap3064]

It's a great plane, but geared towards Swedish standards. Hopefully there will be countries able to buy it, especially those not able to acquire F-35s like Taiwan and Thailand. Once there's more sale then the price for each unit will go down, same as the F-35, which originally was very expensive but with hundreds and continuous orders, the price for each unit has gone down significantly.

[@triswolf1392]

This plane always remind me of F-16. Nostalgic playing it as a toy in childhood days. 💗💗💗

[@nerifterafrnam4682]

No one ? I know at least two nations that have bought the system to their fleet. One of those two was in the middle of buying F-16s but cancelled and went over to Gripen after learning they had been targeted with espionage/bugging by the competitor.

[@caractacusbrittania7442]

Grypen is low cost and rugged, Quantity has a quality all of its own.

[@danielsmith6782]

Its basicly a modern F5 Tigershark. Great light aircraft but the nations looking for more modern fighters can mostly affort the more multi purpose F16

[@kingghidorah8106]

gripen is basically a Miata in a Ford Ranger world.

[@RCFlyBoy314]

That guy was was ON centerline 👌

[@Jack_Ragnarsson]

Its low cost maintenance reliability should make it a top seller. Even if its a lot lighter aircraft.

[@mandoperthstacker]

They are built for an actual mutual war between equal strengthed sides. That's why it's so cost effective.

[@sadewo1516]

Indonesia had considered buying grippen, but with low range we opted rafale instead but seriously, this plane is great, like low cost maintenance and operated from street. but we dont have street prepared for land for this plane

[@garrettmeyer9771]

It’s small. That’s why. It’s payload wouldn’t be an effective trade off for how much money you have to spend grounding and refitting the bird to fly again, not just refueling in the air.

[@pajeetkumar1645]

The Gripen might use the same engine as the Indian 🇮🇳 Tejas, but the Tejas is light years ahead of this IKEA model.