Why is Plants vs Zombies 3 GOOD....and REALLY BAD!? | Review

[@Slimeakku]

I want to make a quick apology if your comment isn't showing up. I have my channel and video set to allow all comments but KZbin for some reason keeps holding them for review so I have to keep checking there. DW they should be showing now 👍 Thanks so much for the support! There are a few things I wish I also brought up in the video but I'm happy how it turned out. Edit: Also I said in the video the art style of this game is a "direct upgrade" from the previous two, that was a slip of the tongue I meant to refer to the previous PvZ3.

[@Red-lu1rx]

25:40 Is it the only person that prefers the old pvz 3 artstyle that the new one (and also the game play)?

[@khmasterva6919]

Np

[@Ascended_Spirit]

Why the fuck does this video actually have most opinions the same as mine, even though I am more negative than this

[@Mr.ringus]

Even the gameplay looks childish

[@thecrimsonfuckeralucardlor5087]

Herple nerple

[@sealessseadog2735]

a men of culture once said "PvZ3 feels like 50 levels of a tutorial" and I couldn't agree more, and that's a fucking shame

[@uniboss5519]

@@eggwithketchup1238 it doesn't matter about quantity, all we need is an actual challenge and variation. The levels seem the same and too easy

[@Springlolbit]

Considering it’s just the beta I think it’s a good idea

[@brianmeen2158]

I just do not like the look of pvz3 at all

[@heyolorenns]

@@Springlolbit oh pls don't pull the "beta" card. This game is shit. Pvz2 will always be better

[@Springlolbit]

@@heyolorenns how about you wait till the game is actually released

[@ssneakyandfriends1626]

the problem with kids games is that they expect them to have the technical knowledge of 80+ year olds. kids are not dumb, they can figure game mechanics just fine.

[@ToxicNoxic]

kids are dumb but not as dumb as you would think

[@Krow_AG]

as a legal "kid" myself, agreed, we may be stupid but we're not complete idiots

[@sonetagu1337]

Oh MY fucking GOD my classmates little brother (a 3 year old btw) plays mario with me at times and HOLY HELL he is actually good at the game

[@Rob92882]

My guy im 10 and ik how to play 50 diffirent games

[@SirDumbassXXXIV]

Exactly. You don't have to be godlike to understand how to play a tower defense game, or a lot of other games for that matter. Also, you'd think that, for a game claiming to be inclusive to everyone, they'd add a mode that's actually, y'know, CHALLENGING for the OGs. I get that this is a beta, but they've had this long to fix shit up.

[@CupOfTea2]

The worst part is that Crazy Dave introduces himself as just "Dave". 0/0 literally unplayable

[@yikesmanchokay6706]

WHAT guess i will never play the 3rd game

[@I_Hate_Monkeys_69]

0 on this situation is the maximum note because u said 0/0 lol

[@weedxat]

Dave isn't crazy, and they put an energy bar like those soulless mobile games out there, there isn't freedom to choose your loadout anymore, literally unplayable

[@bluredstoneiii5594]

@@eggwithketchup1238 he Is not Crazy Dave beacuse Is alternative universe

[@bocahinsting1679]

Early Acess

[@TK-ls8ez]

Really weird how they removed choose your seeds considering PvZ2 had levels where you couldn't pick your plants, like why make the whole game those levels?

[@critaquil5011]

and even then when they did it in pvz 2 there was usually a reason for it, either it was to make an interesting chalenge (no sunflowers, odd combination of plants, ect), or it was to introduce you to a plant you havent unlocked yet

[@angelvaldes8421]

@@critaquil5011 the in-game reason pvz2 gives for those levels is that if you DO NOT use that specific plants you could make time-space go spudow

[@cyberyoutabe5995]

Hopefully they add the, back

[@OZZY9669]

Remember hard mode from pvz1?

[@RoseQuartz692]

@@OZZY9669 Hard Mode?

[@gault6546]

the most cursed part of this game is that the sun values and costs are no longer multiples of 25. i remember thinking pvz 1's small suns being cursed, but ive changed my mind.

[@bxhxbdhdhh2278]

In pvz 2 Chinese version some plant costs end in 2

[@FireFoxie1345]

@@bxhxbdhdhh2278 at least end in 5

[@abra_escaped]

Pvz2 is going to get an update soon that allows gold leaf and thyme warp to level up and be used in any world. Them and tomb tangler, the arena plant after levitater, will have a base cost of *40*

[@gault6546]

@@abra_escaped *dear god*

[@FireFoxie1345]

@@abra_escaped 40? Why not 50?

[@dandygee286]

It's weird how the game goes through the effort of giving a bunch of tutorials when you'd expect the majority of players to know what to do by the THIRD game

[@Gabriel-fh4hb]

It still needs the basic tutorial because it may happen that someone starts playing Pvz3 and never played any Pvz game before but not that much tutorials because 1 and 2 didn't have that much, why would the 3rd need?

[@LakesideTrey]

just give us the option to skip the tutorial.

[@EduardoContrerasD]

@@LakesideTrey Nah, this would insta-kill the whole app.

[@lekhanhnam3761]

@@LakesideTrey *uninstall the beta

[@Mik-kv8xx]

You don't get it. Pvz3 is going after a whole different audience. But honestly I don't think anyone is that retarded to need all those tutorials. They're honestly and insult to the players intelligence.

[@carkovski]

I like how people be saying "oh the story not compelling" when pvz2 was legit about dave fighting through hoards and hoards of deadly zombies just to eat his taco again

[@Randomyoutuber-4831]

Correction: it was about Dave traveling through time, fighting zombies across history, and nearly causing a temporal paradox that destroyed the universe just to eat his taco again. Yeah, PVZ2 was wild.

[@carkovski]

@@Randomyoutuber-4831 🤓☝ achtually you are very whrong

[@alex.-__.]

alright but fuck you if u believe that wasn’t the most compelling story line of all time. in all seriousness the gameplay itself was what made u want to play on, and the fact there were only three characters who come up very rarely in levels just to talk nonsense was perfect. the more intense plot in this game makes it worse

[@iamacatperson7226]

Well of course, it’s a taco. And a good taco from what I’ve heard, time travel is expected

[@GoodoMint]

Its a good taco can't blame him

[@ShutupNARC]

I think that the chilly pepper, jalapeño, and cherry bomb should be unlockable plants and NOT power ups, also let the player pick their plants and make the levels harder or have a difficulty selector

[@steponkusceponas4085]

This whole demo felt like baby's first pvz

[@Deadly_Sins]

He says that in the video

[@matthewsheets9740]

Difficultie selector is not a bad idea

[@ShutupNARC]

@@Deadly_Sins oh, I probably should have watched the whole video before I commented

[@ShoBlai]

cherry bomb was once a power up in pvz2

[@keel134]

honestly for how much people complained about the old pvz3, it was actually not that bad considering all the changes and the art style was actually acceptable and even good like with the portraits of the zombies and plant designs. it feels like theyve gone completely backwards with the progress by completely redoing everything and it still doesnt feel like it should be called pvz3 just yet. it would definitely need to be something on the scale of what pvz2 is to pvz1, which is a huge step up from what the previous game was.

[@somo4227]

old pvz3 artstyle....

[@kurostyx9124]

pvz baby edition

[@flameyy7938]

The new art style in 3rd kills off the PvZ vibe esspecially that the plant’s eyes look psychopathic and time traveling for a sacred taco was a better story then “Dave” being kidnapped

[@belaschmidt1770]

I honestly don't like the artstyle of pvz 3 it's overly cartoony like it's a game for 5 year olds

[@thepizzaman6310]

The old demo had way better gameplay, but the artstyle was... questionable.

[@mahnameisj]

The artstyle being changed is fine. In the grand scheme of things, that’s the most minor thing you can criticize about the game. The lives, tickets and consumable power-ups leave a bad taste in my mouth though. If I wanted to play with those mechanics, I’d play the Scapes games because that’s all those do. If they really want to make this game then call it PvZscapes because it doesn’t seem worthy to hold the PvZ3 title imo

[@pacifistminigun3987]

yea, those were really bad changes for a PvZ game. and personally, i really like the art style

[@nick3805]

The worst about this is that nothing happens. You always see the same location and get some dialogue. I'd prefer a PvZ Adventures-inspired Neighborville where you can actually build something and it also serves a function. I generally would enjoy it if the game took more of PvZ Adventures. It would bring massive changes.

[@NGHTMRSKA]

@@pacifistminigun3987 me to i HATE the new art style

[@pacifistminigun3987]

@@NGHTMRSKA i literally said i like it

[@NGHTMRSKA]

@@pacifistminigun3987 i meant the game is okay i just dont like the art style personally

[@Naniblocks]

it's funny, even though the amount of levels in pvz3 is the same as in pvz1, it both feels 3x longer and 3x shorter at the same time

[@RGC_animation]

The people that made the first game and the main story of the second game should team up, fix this train-wreck of a franchise, revive PVZ, and stop dreaming because that'll never happen.

[@kristyandesouza5980]

Lol, imma use this on other places

[@EduardoContrerasD]

@@kristyandesouza5980 Good luck out there.

[@SoggySlopster]

At least the graphics are the best out of the 3

[@kristyandesouza5980]

@@SoggySlopster not really

[@Snakito-gatito]

@@SoggySlopster pvz 2s or pvz1s the best this cant even compare

[@AtomicRobloxProductions]

Honestly the fact they are holding out and even attempting to change things up based on feedback gives me a bit of hope. I know it's very very unlikely but I'm hoping this game pulls a Sonic Movie and becomes good. They reworked the art style completely, that can't have been easy and I feel like if they didn't care they wouldn't have gone that far. I think what they could be doing with the test is seeing where the fans want them to go from here. "Okay, we reworked the art style, let's see how they like it and what we can fix next." If we can get them to fix some of the worst aspects of this, unable to change plants, the lives system, the way the layout looks like gardenscapes. I feel like this could actually become a pretty good game once they have a solid foundation to add to that they KNOW people will like. I'll probably be completely wrong about this because who knows how much can, or will be changed at this stage. But if they continue to improve and constantly ask for feedback with tests like this? Honestly if they at least show change like they did in this most recent beta, and it's taking feedback into consideration.. I'm cautiously optimistic.

[@robertlupa8273]

Comments like this give me hope.

[@Technology_1000]

We had normal day and night cycles, then going into time travel, I’m wondering what another concept could be in the franchise. Space? (May be cliche but Star Wars knockoff like using star fruit as shooting stars like in PVZ heroes.) But the basic idea is 2 games has good concepts and good executions. So a concept like this is good but a little dry in terms of what can be done. Limited and even not being able to pick your plants, that’s crossing a line. What they could do is implement things like…..say call on a plant hero for assistance, use peny as a way to push back the zombies. Stuff like that.

[@Technology_1000]

Idk I just wanted to voice my opinion. The thing with this game it had a lot of good potential but what they did was…kinda bad in terms of game play. I don’t mean like the game looks or plays bad. I mean what they did for players. 5 lives and then you wait 30 minutes. Copying other games in terms of play style like having lives or having several million tutorials (when there’s literally 2 other games of this) and stuff like that. My opinion is this game had potential if they played their cards a lot better.

[@makeoutchillpl]

At this point I liked old pvz3 more. Yes, it had a lot off problems like p2w and copying other games. But at least we had 39 plants and they were unique (at some point) that made me excited. Now we have 10 plants and only one out of them is new. Also I was like in those 2% of people that actually liked 3D design. You could see that they put a BIT of a heart to models. So yeah, Idk were will our franchise end….. BTW sorry for English it’s not my native language/:

[@makeoutchillpl]

@@eggwithketchup1238 yes

[@ExBronyPony]

i’ve heard other people say things like “this could very well be the death of the franchise right here.” to be honest, i agree with them. considering what has been happening to the franchise recently the past few years. this series i’ve been with the past 10 years, i might just quit the series when this game releases. i don’t wanna see it die like this. PvZ, PvZ2, Garden Warfare, GW2, Heroes, i have a ton of reasons to love each and every one of those games. every one. BfN was good, but also just mediocre. but at least it was playable. and could be fun. i have about 4 reasons to like PvZ3. and low hopes for the future.

[@mikedacoolnerd788]

I got back into PvZ Heroes recently and have been enjoying myself alot. A shame Popcap stopped updating the game years back.

[@authordarkwoods5401]

No worries we won't miss you!

[@spittyjr.2181]

@@mikedacoolnerd788 PVZH fan, pog. Also, I think I might just throw up because they removed the almanac.

[@ritter3723]

The only games I still play in the franchise are gw, gw2, the og pvz, and heroes. bfn was bad compared to the other pvz shooters, pvz 2 to me just doesnt feel like a pvz game, and do I really need to explain pvz 3

[@ps4pro668]

@@mikedacoolnerd788 They may not update the game anymore but at least they still remember to make HG and BC available to unlock at times

[@the_godbodor7026]

The reason I think they don’t let you see the zombies before the start of the level is cause you can’t pick plants so there’s no point. Normally you could see what zombies are in the level and pick plants accordingly, but since they come prepicked now they think showing the zombies before the level is pointless

[@spiral9372]

I'm ok with the artstyle for the plants. What I'm really not a fan of is how the zombies look. Their faces looks like different zombies that aren't from the PVZ franchise. Their eating animation is a bit over the top for me. I feel like this is the perfect version for kids to play. It's a very kid-like game. Not so much for a sequal from the previous 2 PvZ. It starts off from an all new storyline with brand new people. I'm hoping to see more improvements on this game. Not that it's bad. It could've been better. I also love the mechanics you talked about. Really new and creative

[@DaburuTori]

They don't even "Eat" They just bitch slap the plants.

[@diclefahrlaender7996]

@@DaburuTori 😂

[@doomjuice.1652]

I DONT FEMALE ZOMBIES

[@RGC_animation]

There are a lot of improvement over the Alpha version, however, the levels just feels so bland, like these are genuinely some of the most uncreative levels up there. I really hope that they make longer and more diverse levels like in PVZ 2 that has some very creative levels in it.

[@bf3isbestbf359]

Plants vs Zombies garden warfare 1 and 2 are also timeless classics, the third game is definitely not. Pretty strange how in both the TD games And the shooter games, the first two are amazing but the third is shit.

[@RGC_animation]

The franchise really started going down hill the moment they added leveling in the second game I feel like.

[@critaquil5011]

@@RGC_animation came back to the game recently, honestly leveling isn't even that bad, gives you something to use coins on other than powerups and since levels are generally made to be beaten without leveling it generaly only serves to make the game a bit easier

[@RGC_animation]

@@critaquil5011 Wouldn't it make more sense to have a Pokemon like leveling system where the Plant that you use gets more seed packet?

[@critaquil5011]

@@RGC_animation didn't say the system was good, just meant that it didn't detract from the experience for me

[@reborn9488]

Well battle for neighborville isent garden warfare 3 and the game was actually good lmao they just dint have good updates for it afterwards

[@toxicunknown9171]

I think you put it perfectly at the end "the problem was this game was labeled as pvz 3 and not some sort of side story" the problem is they made pvz 3, they by default are putting VERY heavy expectations on it comparing it to the likes of pvz 1 and 2 (before they destroyed it). i look at this game and see a shitty mobile game compared to pvz 1 and 2. its graphics are a total down grade compared to both, thats a problem. its general look and gui? looks like shitty mobile games like homescape. its tutorials are fucking disgusting, crazy dave never told you what a single plant or zombie did.you played the game found out yourself through trial and error. oh i got a cactus plant? and theres a balloon zombie? maybe i'll need to use it! not the game reminding you for 4 fucking levels how to counter the same zombie and telling you what every plant does. its brain dead. on its own the game is fine could use some fixing but its fine its a mobile game. but your putting it next to its perfect predecessors of pvz 1 and 2.

[@thewalkinglawn1954]

When I saw Plants vs Zombies 2 get released almost 10 years ago, a thought came to my mind that the game was very good and well-made (if not the best) that it would be very hard for EA and PopCap to make another sequel, as they would need to make a better version of an already best game, and it's kinda happening right now with PvZ 3. PvZ 1 and 2 are so incredibly made that you could see the team struggle to make something very unique and different but still be a good game at the same time. And I feel like the design has really downgraded too quick that I could even say that PvZ Heroes could be considered as the real sequel than the actual third game. PvZ 2 was very good that it made almost all players shift from the first to the second game. As for PvZ 3's case, looking at just the betas it would be a real struggle for PopCap to make the players move from the second game to the third game as the new sequel's reception has been really bad which would cause a lot of players to just stick to the first and second games.

[@spittyjr.2181]

PVZH gonna make a comeback in the times of hardship for PVZ.

[@bryll4]

pvz 2 was good at first but then in 2017 it got ruined by that dreaded leveling system

[@weltschmerzistofthaufig2440]

@@bryll4 What was wrong with levels?

[@themoon3669]

@@bryll4 rlly mixed when it comes to the lvling system, for one it makes gameplay easier but a lot more boring and it's pretty much used more for extras like penny's pursuit or the arena, the other part is that you would probably need to go pass a paywall wherein it would cost tons of coins and diamonds just to master some of the plants

[@ironking1997]

@@themoon3669 but you can get on the game everyday to grind levels and not making the game boring for og peoples

[@andreimihail3677]

The fact that sun is not multiples of 25 or at least even 50 like in 2, makes it unplayable, the un-25 numbers were cool only in pvz heroes

[@spittyjr.2181]

I can switch up from PVZH and PVZ and the difference won't be as jarring as I think touching PVZ3 will.

[@Morphoidism]

@@spittyjr.2181 PVZ Heroes was its own thing and it did it well. PVZ 3 is atrocious.

[@Greenboi32]

Going with your idea that it could have been renamed and PopCap called it a spin-off, a good name for this game would be Plants Vs. Zombies: Mini

[@Nightmare-fe9hr]

The entire experience of the PVZ3 Beta is streamlined to be as brutally monetizable as possible. Short easy levels make naive children think "wow, I'm really good at this game, I should play more while I'm on a winning streak!", where the lives system says "woah there son, if you want to play more, you need dad's credit card!". Even the taco tickets are just a way to make children feel like they're playing a game when they're really doing a completely automatable process. The super easy way to make profits while not locking content behind a paywall is cosmetics. However, the lives system let's them put "free to play" on the app store, when it's only "free to play" and not "free to enjoy". Overall just really scummy business stuff

[@Jimmyfitzgerald1202]

Almanac, the most iconic PvZ games. Pls bring back that THING

[@spittyjr.2181]

Roses are red Where's the almanac PLease for God's sake BRING IT TF BACK

[@G1MM1CKTUNES]

I think the old lawnmower mechanic should be an easy mode for those who aren't that well versed with pvz

[@Sour_almond]

Ok im going to be honest i dont think a lot of people picked up on this but you structured this video like the act man (in a good way)

[@Slimeakku]

Nailed it

[@lukefranklin5]

The first time I played pvz 1 and saw a gargantuar, I was terrified as it just destroyed my hypnoshroom without a second thought, and then started tearing through the rest of my defenses. If I had had a whole tutorial level explain to me what a gargantuar is it just wouldn’t hit the same

[@RainierFajardoProduction]

2010: *I just playing this game* 2022: *I am Dissapointend to the 3rd game, and wishing that It's the same quality with 2nd and 1st*

[@ignis2638]

Honestly I think the major issue is that they're trying to make something new or unique instead of relating it back to the style or gameplay of the original game. That's not entirely a bad thing and there are plenty of things that can come from trying new stuff like with the ways that levels can vary in environments which is cool and a very great way of changing the gameplay to force people to adapt strategy, again that is cool because now you're forced to think about your envirment and experiment however they ruin it by adding in systems they did not need and tampering with what already worked. Plus Crazy Dave is not crazy so 0/0

[@slosh7072]

This NEEDS to be good. I don't know if the franchise can survive another flop after Battle for Neighborville

[@JoniEscar_07]

I think we can agree in three things that Should be changed, removing the life system and being able to choose the plants and bring back the almanac

[@spittyjr.2181]

THE ALMANAC, PLEASE GIVE ME MY ALMANAC.

[@cheslyn1]

And also let the plants look more like pvz1

[@yes3410]

Late but agree with the bring back the almanac the almanac is supposed to be for players who don't understand zombie mechanics and what they do and how much defense they and is crucial for the game

[@Kevoonio]

@@cheslyn1 visuals usually are the last thing you need to worry about in a game like this

[@tako625]

the moment i saw the 25/50 system was gone i lost all hope for this game like idk why i just find the one sun two sun system so bland

[@Jar3xe]

Wow your Oppinion is very Based and justify how the game works i liked it, i should say though that i Miss minigame in pvz3 i only play the current Beta so IM sorry if i didn't know there is minigame in demo version but with the lack of zombie in the Beta i understand why there is no minigame in pvz3 current Beta so i hope they creatively enough to added minigame, And i hope that PopCap watch this video.

[@kingonyx2195]

22:55 I dislike the fact I can’t use blover as a plant, why would I not wanna place blover for no reason on my lawn????

[@Rejki_]

15:03 The fact that you only had fun with 3 levels when there are 50 levels is a bad sign

[@charlesdoesathing8912]

Hot take: the original pvz3 beta was better than the one now

[@Ax19e4]

The thing I don’t get is WHY DID THEY REMOVE PLANT FOOD the could have expanded it but no, we got some dumb grapeshot ripoff

[@theunknown1760]

What they should need to work is plants vs zombies heroes that game has potential it's been years since they've updated new decks

[@emi_lives_alone]

Outstanding Video! Really enjoyable and and I agreed with most of what you said, hyped to see more of yo content brotha.

[@yourlocaldeedge69420]

4:06 "and wall nut makes funny noises" As a Pea-Nut user, I'm dying of Laughter

[@bigimp3018]

finally, someone who gives actual criticism other than just saying "it looks off"

[@rachelngounou8919]

I feel like most of the pvz fan base complanes over minor things and will search for any nitpick to go Ea BaD even though popcap said it themselves it isn't EA fault at all. I like this guy because his complaints were genuine criticism not just EA bad and nitpicks.

[@ironking1997]

Popcap workers are isnt the same and the new workers are not really know how to make this game good

[@otterpxpalt5591]

okay but I just want to say, Sunflower's animation in this game when it produces sun is so cute

[@LucyTheBox]

Ooh boy, this was recommended to me and I thought it must have been a recent review, only to notice at the end that it's a year old. A few of the details changed for the better, but the big important points are sadly the same.

[@wyguy5386]

This feels like a very grounded review. I like how this a mixture of possitive and negative comments to keep the video from being too far in either extreme for too long. Thanks for making a review so I don't have to play a game full of tutorials

[@Unusual_DSchedule]

Popcap still has one last chance and time to make things right and I hope that Popcap can take our feedback seriously. Here are my main problems with PvZ3: The Life System takes away the challenging factors as Popcap knows that people will stop playing if the life system blocks them from attempting to complete the hard challenge. The Taco Ticket System is pointless as PvZ1, PvZ2 and other games shows that you can progress the story without using these tickets. While I love that each of the worlds play with the game mechanics, throughout the 50 levels, we only got lack of plants and too many basic enemies excluding Bowling Zombie and Rock and Roll Imp but they appear at the last few levels of the beta. This make progression boring. Too many tutorials, it is even annoying for me who have experience playing PvZ1 and PvZ2 to be told something I have already know. As mention on this video, PvZ1 and PvZ2 doesn't need 50 levels to teach a player. PvZ1 did a good job of creating a level disguise as a tutorial by allowing the players to experiment and try to figure it out using simple and easy to learn mechanics. Too many Locked and Loaded levels which takes away the challenges from PvZ2 such as Save Our Seeds, Dave's Mold Colonies etc. Choose your Seeds is a fun mechanic that allows the player to experiment their setups and other plant combinations. If PvZ3 allows the player to experiment their game and mechanics more freely like how PvZ1 and PvZ2 does and promotes problem solving like other Tower Defense games, it would be a better game.

[@helixyeeter6936]

I like the riverbanks concept! But the tutorials are so long and the storyline was just not it. A good concept is for Crazy Dave, Douglas, and Patrice (?) to again defeat Zomboss but he travels across the globe. Like a sandy desert with different mechanics (dust devil ambush that switches plants) or the Japanese area with Cherry Blossom Ambush that both affects plants and zombies, or a city area with a road that squashes a zombie or plant, a night only area that has a fog bomb ambush (Plantern return maybe), there are so many things that can be done here

[@piotrprochot]

12:54 what is this mod?

[@Slimeakku]

Mine, still in the works. Glad someone caught that!

[@piotrprochot]

@@Slimeakku I looks awesome what is this pirate dude doin?

[@Slimeakku]

Can't spoil things, but another showcase showing them off will come in the future

[@francisros9115]

I still don't understand why they removed the normal 5 lawnmowers and replaced them with 1 robot thing

[@u1dacoolguy951]

Imma disagree with the music... it feels rather basic and didn't really have variety within it and somewhat felt lifeless... PVZ1 managed to have enjoyable music to play along the game but feels the same in each world but still feels different in eevry area or level you play... while Pvz 2 wen't all out and made the music a lot more different from every world and made different music in each flag just to match in the intensity of the battle, the fact that you feel something in the final wave in every world makes it feel special especially in modern day... but this? it just feels basic and barely even have a difference, the fact that I don't remember any kind of music in pvz 3 just the old remixed ost they used...

[@Slimeakku]

Opinion respected

[@Stopan2222]

I really want to make a video to show what they COULD fix. As a PvZ veteran for mostly 9 years, I have a lot of ideas to put, especially removing all the 20 tutorial levels and put mostly 1-3.

[@drawer1386]

i just wished there were more worlds in PvZ2

[@logandever01]

I got my 7 year old brother to play pvz 1 recently and he figured it out in like 2 minutes and he didnt even bother to read what the tutorial was saying! He just started planting stuff and lost a bunch of times but he loved it!!!! If there was a "lives" system in pvz1, im sure my brother wouldve quit insanely quick. Being able to just restart the levels over and over and learning as you go is what makes it fun!!! You literally dont need a tutorial in this game at all. It is the THIRD game!!! Its the same mechanics and everything as the last two games!!!!

[@logandever01]

Also yeah, not being able to choose your plants is literally hand holding because the game is telling you which plants you need to beat the level instead of letting you see which zombies are coming and then having to make a strategy with the given seed slots and then maybe your strategy doesnt work so then youre able to restart the level and pick a whole new set of plants and thats whats fun about it!!! The way Popcap is doing this is taking all the fun out of the game. Also im still not a fan of the 3Dish art style of this game. The last 2 games were 2D so... maybe itll grow on me idk... They could just change the art style again and make pvz3 2D tho :) Popcap is just trying to change pvz too much... stop it

[@bluebomber875]

For me the art-style is a very mixed bag. Like the sunflower and most of the plants look fantastic. But the actual ground you place them on looks so under-detailed and flat that it feels out of place, it looks like it’s made of clay instead of grass. Same goes for a lot of the backgrounds and UI, which take up way too much of the screen in my opinion.

[@BruhBruh-mi1yn]

I kind of hated playing the game because I couldn't choose my plants but the art style is really good tho.

[@is4lu]

I like the new plant designs, i think they’re really cute! But considering you can’t choose your seeds and most of the zombies are basic; i prefer the first 2.

[@commander_eaa2862]

I feel like with Battle For Neightborville, it was wacky and weird however I think there where some pretty cool features that I wish was in Garden Warfare 1 and 2. But with PvZ 3 it feels like there is very little good to take away from it, at least also because its a mainline game

[@Julius_FL5]

despite the graphics going back to 2D, nothing still beats the 2nd game’s artstyle

[@foojo9]

About the lawnmowers, I think you have to take into mind that well yes, 5 lawnmowers can make it too easy. But what about extremely restricting challenges where you need sacrafice mowers? In most Pvz1 and Pvz2 challenges, you need to sacrafice mowers. Sure this isn’t intended gameplay, but Plants Vs Zombies is a tower defence and you should be able to play it however you want. I would much prefer if: We have 5 mowers or The single mower can target 5 lanes Have two difficulties that change that.

[@necrozon717]

Question how the hell is sun shroom going to work if sunflower is 1 sun

[@inkswing2292]

While I may disagree with you with the lawnmowers being gone, the rest of this video is spot on

[@HandleThatIsNotTaken]

I hope that in the full version you can pick your own plants. That's one of the biggest problems to me.

[@astrid2432]

Me the whole time: wait... When did they announce PvZ3? The original PvZ3 remembers me on the facebook game. Liked it, as it was more like most other are, like a path and you build your towers along it. Enemies can't dmg your towers, but can use buffs or debuffs

[@ok-ky1ns]

Trying to get 300 sun in pvz1 : hard work Trying to get 300 sun in pvz2 : * accidentally spams goldbloom sun shroom and enlighten mint* Trying to get 300 sun in pvz3 : dies

[@Sombil27]

Bambooshoot in his original PVZ debut, PVZ adventures was a beast, he shot slow, but did massive damage and splash, and he looked way cooler and normal than his new redesign, I miss PVZ adventures it had more original plants like Beet, Flaming Pea, Popcorn, Asparagus, Chilly Pepper and much much more new zombies, so many original zombies, idk why they don't reuse zombies like Barrel Zombie, Conga Line, Ice Block Zombie, Mall Cop Zombie, IMPostor, Cool Hat Zombie, Weight Lifter Zombie etc. A lot of old content that can easily be added like that old you can be a zombie game mode on PVZ adventures, I really wish more PVZ KZbin would talk about that game

[@gameingman9708]

I love the music in PVZ1 where the music got more instruments depending on how many zombies are on the field

[@christopherlogo3738]

I agree and i dont know too if they are gonna fix the issues but i hope they do anyways are you excited for this game?

[@rickedysplit2458]

The issues with the tutorials are interesting because George Fan once did a GDC talk (Called "How I Got My Mom to Play Through Plants vs. Zombies") Where he talked about how to make interesting and good tutorials.

[@jaqiqi33]

It's insane how I literally haven't heard of this game once until this video

[@insanerambling]

This feels like a really dumbed down version for 2 year olds. The 25 per sun was never a problem in previous games so the only reason I could think of them making it 1 per sun is to make it easier for 2 year olds.

[@Triumphantinwarandpeace]

“How does the artstyle hold up? Compared to the previous 2, this is a direct upgrade” A. The first games artstyle was classic everyone knows it B. The seconds artstyle was a refined version of the previous game plus new plus. Plus the music from the previous games are better than 3. And yes the artstyle IS similar to a soulless corporation. It has clearly been minimalized to attract a younger demographic. The artstyle and music from the previous 2 is no doubt superior in every way compared to 3.

[@Slimeakku]

You know I don't even know why I said it was a direct upgrade, that was a complete slip of the tongue. I meant to say it was good enough. I think I was trying to refer to being a direct upgrade from the original PvZ3

[@Triumphantinwarandpeace]

@@Slimeakku Oh thanks for clarifying. I was a tiny bit upset at that comment as I grew up playing PvZ.

[@bowiemtl]

this artstyle is probably the worst direction they could've taken the franchise in. I like that they added human characters but the rest just looks too simplified without any innovation that couldn't have been done for pvz2.

[@geencream]

oh my god they didn't change anything since it spft launched

[@christian44_]

they removed so much lmao

[@The_Shimp]

Why’d they change the sun amounts? I like the 25 sun system more. Oh well, at least we didn’t get the sun bar thingie

[@mattp4773]

This is a good review I hope they consider much of what you said

[@_V.Va_]

I love the dancing Thanos Trio here. 9:11

[@adweck]

Great video, I definitely agree with you

[@save1589]

12:40 Where did this almanac come from

[@Pro-Diletante]

Errr pvz 2

[@save1589]

@@Pro-Diletante I know it's pvz2. But obviously with mods. I want to know what mods are.

[@lutfiahasiilah3882]

I hope popcap don't die because i don't care about anything i only care about to play the game

[@PossessedPotatoBird]

BRO THE 10 PEAS TO KILL A ZOMBIE IS SO ICONIC

[@dudemakememes878]

I agree and i notice a cool thing... The zombies have gender now. idk why i like it but it's a cool feature

[@lexcentrique2554]

Plot twist: Crazy Dave just went through therapy, that's why he's now called just "Dave" (Can also be called "Uncrazy Dave").

[@Jasper36.59]

One of the things i can think of to improve levels on pvz 3 is to maybe reuse the old level mapping of pvz2 (that includes the stars as challenges) since i really like the old mapping of pvz2 (many challenges, more levels and a better mapping than the current pvz2 level mapping). Idk 'bout you guys since this is my personal opinion as someone who played pvz2 after the first release

[@Artcat932]

By far the worst part about this is the pre-picked plants. The whole point of PvZ 1 (and 2 to an extent) was to collect more and more plants as the levels went on to slowly build a collection to choose from for a specific level. Not only does this go against the whole concept of the game, but it prevents people from attempting challenges like “0 sun” or “3 seed slots” thus removing an entire layer of replayability.

[@cyruskeshmeshian5851]

Pvz2 is probably the best game right now

[@this.isabucket]

Not putting sunflowers in the back should be a sin

[@LT_Silver]

I dislike PvZ3 due to the change in th sun counter, liking the artstyle form PvZ2 more and the animations for the zombies seem more bare bones then what it did in the previous games. But after watchign this video I dislike the game even more. The life system is stupid... If I want to play the game for hours on end, then let me play the game for hours on end. Such a system will also make it harder to learn the game, because in the time that you wait for more lives you may forget what you did wrong, it just becomes harder to get used to the game and testing out strategies. I was also a bigger fan of the map mode system from PvZ2. Sad to see that they kept the money transaction from PvZ2 aswell.

[@LT_Silver]

@@eggwithketchup1238 Never said the artstyle in PvZ3 was bad, I meant i'm not a big fan of it. The live system is very stupid because it limits how much you can play the game at a time. Most people want to be able to play many hours in a row, but can't do that due to the live system. The game wouldn't need to be completely identical to PvZ2, just some ideas like the map mode works better then just having a button that says the number for the next mission

[@kidkwipik4942]

Same here.. if they had only just used the art style from pvz1 and mechanics from pvz2 it would be a whole different game… Yes you can argue that it’s not innovative or new or whatever but that’s what made pvz special, it was a simple tower defense game that required YOU to be imaginative and come up with strategies and stuff Not some lifeless Mobile game that was clearly designed for kids given that the art style is your basic mobile game art style and mechanics feel like candy crush meets pvz This game while it may be getting better isn’t enough to revive the serious and might be the nail in the coffin.

[@dylantoney6971]

When I saw this video, I was shocked to see just how professional this is! With the effort, production value, and funny and sometimes dry/sarcastic humor these videos deserve a lot more attention. Good job! To critique some things you say, some of the stuff the story sets up feels a lot more fetch questy than the first games which had simple goals (survive, get the taco). We COULD have had maybe some sort of zombie free haven we want to get to, this is why we keep traveling. This is why you'd recruit people, you want to play possible side optional levels for recruits that may help you, or just give you more content! I agree that the gimmicks are very cool though. My issue is that the levels are short to the degree that either they don't impact you, or it becomes unfair. Art looks... fine? Not a huge fan. Not mad about it, not happy about it. Other than that.... yep I pretty much fully agree

[@Joplys]

Some of the stuff you said here he already said (like the levels being short)

[@magmism]

Honestly all bad things aside, i love the new art style, it really looks cartoony and fun, i just find the Peashooter's eyes quite strange, but im getting used to it

[@arcticnines]

if i may ask, what's the final track that you used for the outro segment (26:15)?

[@Slimeakku]

Pvz Online town music Link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHaTqGqah6ahf7s

[@arcticnines]

@@Slimeakku thanks man!!

[@memeboiinclass6624]

I’m a pvz veteran of maybe over a decade. I’ve played pvz 1, 2, gw, gw2, heroes, bfn, but don’t want to touch this because I knew after that they made bfn, the shit had hit the fan. If they have an actual god tier redemption with the gw3 that we’re all hoping for, then pvz will be at its highest.

[@alex.-__.]

it’s honestly becoming so sad to me, i remember playing this game as a child playing for years cus i was so shit at pvz but wanted to complete 2, best memories of my life. seeing this absolute shit that they’re making is honestly depressing

[@memeboiinclass6624]

@@alex.-__. couldn’t agree more, they pulled a SpongeBob

[@OZZY9669]

Excellent video! Exactly which version are you talking about when you say old pvz2? Because i cannot fucking play modern pvz2. If there's a better version I can download can you show me the way? Thanks again!

[@zaynabnoon1163]

I love this pvz3 version but I also loved the old artstyle and gameplay more but this is okay

[@achewy7700]

the artstyle is a point of contention but can we talk about the animations? zombies no longer eat plants, peashooters shoot sideways, and every limb feels like a rubber band with how stretched and warped they get. for a tower defense game, i feel like snappier animations work better than bouncy ones. this game just feels too kiddy, like replacing more practical playgrounds with plastic-y foam-floored ones.

[@Sp3ctralI]

They could’ve continued from the original pvz3, and make it more pvz, better, more content, but no, they remade it from the ground up, which is a bit annoying to say the least, at least they tried….but it’s just not that good tbh Just combine the original pvz3 with the new pvz3, tweak some stuff, and it might be amazing

[@boom350ph]

13:07 what happen to the big dude?! he look skinny!!

[@tankthomus]

I am not sure about the gameplay, but I do really like the art style. The expressive characters, and the strong silhouettes are really good in my book. I can see they are going for more of a match 3 puzzle style, but they do a good job keeping the messy and somewhat rough nature of the original style. I also really enjoy the exaggerated posing of the plants, it adds a lot more personality to them.

[@Majin_Trunky]

24:05 Do you mean that the Popcap that made *modern* PvZ 2 was the same that made PvZ GW or the same that made Rome for PvZ 2 and PvZ BFN or just both ?

[@Evanthefrostyanimations]

Pvz2 is not timeless it's about time