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Why Is The Scrabble Dictionary SO WEIRD?

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Will Anderson

Will Anderson

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I've been so grateful for the positive feedback about my recent videos, but there is one piece of feedback that I'm getting over and over again - surprise/disbelief/annoyance about the dictionary we use in competitive play. For that reason, I thought it would be helpful to make a video explaining how the Scrabble dictionary came to be the way it is. If you're one of those commenters, maybe this video won't placate you, but at least you'll have a better understanding of Scrabble's crazy dictionary!
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@anonvideo738
@anonvideo738 11 ай бұрын
Im surprised scrabble players havent conspired to spread words a Q in them. If every scrabble player starts greeting people with Qello, instead of hello, it might take off and there will be another valid Q word.
@SAYFVCKFOR100DOLLARS
@SAYFVCKFOR100DOLLARS 11 ай бұрын
Qello
@ApriiSR
@ApriiSR 11 ай бұрын
you could even shorten it to qi!
@wanderer15
@wanderer15 11 ай бұрын
Maybe QT as in "cutie" needs to get in!
@anonvideo738
@anonvideo738 11 ай бұрын
@@wanderer15 If Za is legal, QT should be legal.
@cptjack42
@cptjack42 11 ай бұрын
Someday, we will make Quone a real word
@Ascension721
@Ascension721 11 ай бұрын
I love the two comments from people questioning the validity of 'Or' and 'We'
@kitsovereign4127
@kitsovereign4127 11 ай бұрын
Oh my god, I thought "ab" was the biggest whopper. I missed those on first watch, that's amazing.
@rennoc6478
@rennoc6478 11 ай бұрын
Also some onomatopia like eh
@agitated_cat
@agitated_cat 11 ай бұрын
​@@rennoc6478i can see "eh" being debatable because its not exactly a word with a set definition, rather just a noise that we make. "or" and "we" are literally words with definitions in the English language that are also extremely common in everyday talk, so people saying it's not a word is hilarious
@rennoc6478
@rennoc6478 11 ай бұрын
@@agitated_cat eh, used to represent a sound made in speech in a variety of situations, in particular to ask for something to be repeated or explained or to elicit agreement. That being put aside I do see your point
@Emile.gorgonZola
@Emile.gorgonZola 10 ай бұрын
@@agitated_cateh does have a set definition. Onomatopoeia is different in different languages
@Jess-uk8bj
@Jess-uk8bj 11 ай бұрын
When I get frustrated over these things, it's less "This word is made up" and more "This archaic dialectal word is valid but common modern ones aren't." Seriously, why can't I play SHART yet smh
@pjet8042
@pjet8042 11 ай бұрын
You'd probably only be able to play that word in a tournament. The Official Scrabble Players Dictionary that you can buy in stores omits words they have deemed offensive, i.e. racist, scatalogical, etc. Most online/app versions of Scrabble will be in line with that. However in tournament play, anything goes.
@MewtwoStruckBack
@MewtwoStruckBack 11 ай бұрын
@@pjet8042Not that this would likely happen because of the distribution of tiles and optimal play, but could you imagine if someone won a tournament by playing the N word as their final move?
@pjet8042
@pjet8042 11 ай бұрын
@@MewtwoStruckBack - hopefully they'd be able to play GINGER instead...
@MewtwoStruckBack
@MewtwoStruckBack 11 ай бұрын
@@pjet8042 But what would be the fun in that? It’d be for the shock value
@henrywalkins1353
@henrywalkins1353 11 ай бұрын
@@pjet8042 Although unlikely There are certain layouts that allow one rather than the other. I'll provide a hypothetical clean board example only relying on one word. Nig, and Gin. Nig meaning to dress (stone) with a sharp-pointed hammer and gin being alcohol. So, it is possible for someone to be forced to play an offensive word, because of the current state of the board. TBF, I'd probably just take the L on that one.
@andrewadams530
@andrewadams530 11 ай бұрын
I could literally watch an entire video, no matter the length, where you just go over every 2 non standard 2 letter word and their definitions. I find them extremely fascinating. Or should I say chould watch a video.
@Flush333
@Flush333 11 ай бұрын
Oh my god, I could make it an all-day event if I needed to
@aperson1
@aperson1 11 ай бұрын
in north american scrabble: aa: a type of lava distinguished as being very rough and uneven ab: short for the abdominal muscle ad: short for advertisement ae: archaic version of a/an ag: short for agriculture ah: a sigh or exclamation ai: a three-toed sloth al: a tree in east india am: first person singular of "to be" an: one of something ar: the letter R as: to compare something at: to be somewhere aw: disappointment ax: an axe ay: archaic form of "aye" ba: the soul in egyptian mythology be: to, well, be bi: short for bisexual bo: a pal by: to be responsible for/the cause of something da: short for dad de: of/from (in a name) such as Charles de Gaulle do: to make something happen ed: short for education ef: the letter F eh: an exclamation el: short for an elevated train em: the letter M en: the letter N er: an exclamation of hesitation or confusion es: the letter S et: archaic past tense of eat ew: exclamation of disgust ex: to cross out/a previous relationship fa: the fourth note of a music scale fe: a hebrew letter gi: a suit worn for martial arts go: to move somewhere or start doing something/a board game ha: an exclamation of surprise or triumph/laughter he: referring to a male hi: greeting ho: an exclamation of surprise id: the instinctual, impulsive part of your psyche if: a conditional/possibility in: to be within something is: singular third person of (to be) it: referring to an inanimate object jo: a sweetheart ka: the spiritual self of a human in egyptian mythology ki: alternate spelling of qi la: to sing/the sixth note on a musical scale li: a chinese unit of distance lo: an exclamation of surprise or to attract attention ma: short for mother me: first person singular mi: third note on a musical scale mm: an exclamation of acknowledgement or satisfaction mo: short for a moment mu: a letter of the greek alphabet my: posessive singular na: slang for no ne: name born with no: negative nu: a letter of the greek alphabet od: a hypothetical force of natural power oe: a whirlwind from the faroe islands of: coming from oh: an exclamation of surprise oi: an exclamation for attention ok: confirmation om: a mantra on: above op: abstract art or: otherwise os: a bone ow: an exclamation of pain ox: an animal oy: an exclamation pa: father pe: a letter of the hebrew alphabet pi: a letter of the greek alphabet po: a chamber pot qi: vital force of life in chinese mythology re: second tone of a musical scale sh: used to urge silence si: alternative seventh tone on a musical scale so: a conjunction; therefore ta: an expression of gratitude te: i have no idea but it's in the dictionary ti: seventh tone on a musical scale to: in the direction of uh: expression of hesitation um: expression of hesitation un: archaic form of "an" or "one" up: above/to raise us: we ut: also no idea why but this is valid too we: us wo: woe xi: a letter of the greek alphabet xu: a monetary unit in vietnam ya: short for yeah/an asian pear ye: archaic form of you yo: an exclamation to call attention to za: pizza
@springinfialta106
@springinfialta106 11 ай бұрын
Yours is a truly ginormous idea!
@meta04
@meta04 11 ай бұрын
"te" and "ut" are more obscure ones in the do-re-mi set, "te" being the flat seventh and "ut" being another "do" (it was originally ut-re-mi-fa-sol-la but there were obvious problems with one of them having a consonant at the back) also you forgot "hm"
@nate7251
@nate7251 10 ай бұрын
hey man, "or" isn't a word
@Flush333
@Flush333 11 ай бұрын
I think many people grossly underestimate how many words they don't know. The two-letter ones just stand out because of their amazing utility in scrabble. There is a huge number of bizarre words but because there are so many more permutations of longer words you're way less likely to see any particular one, and again, the two-letter ones are unique in their versatility, causing them to pop up even more frequently. I imagine many people who value playing "beautiful", long words see the strange two-letter ones kind of like abusing a game mechanic. Unfortunately for them, pros play to win.
@wanderer15
@wanderer15 11 ай бұрын
Excellent points!
@bultvidxxxix9973
@bultvidxxxix9973 9 ай бұрын
"za" seems to be more of a slang version of pizza. It really depends on what you call a word, but I would argue if "za" counts as word, so should for example "gud" (short for "good" as in "git gud"), "ez" ( short for "easy" as in "2ez" or "ez pz") or even just "lol".
@taliesine.8343
@taliesine.8343 9 ай бұрын
​@@bultvidxxxix9973 If your examples would show up in a dictionary, than they probably would be added to scrabble in the future and perfectly legal to play
@reginaldforthright805
@reginaldforthright805 9 ай бұрын
Scrabble should make all words less than 8 letters illegal to play.
@yclee-jy4xn
@yclee-jy4xn 7 ай бұрын
​@@reginaldforthright805 ikr that would make the game so much better! Nobody would even be able to start a Scrabble game, which imo is better for the whole world
@mrsnufflegums
@mrsnufflegums 11 ай бұрын
Honestly the thing I'm most amazed about is that the Oxford English Dictionary isn't used in either scrabble dictionary
@nagcopaleen9078
@nagcopaleen9078 10 ай бұрын
The official scrabble dictionary: 100,000 words. North American tournament Word list: 190,000 words. Collins Scrabble words: 280,000 words. Oxford English Dictionary: 1,000,000 words, at least 600,000 of which would make it into scrabble without question. It would be a radically different game!
@aspuzling
@aspuzling 10 ай бұрын
​@@nagcopaleen9078 How is it that the North American tournament word list has more words than the official Scrabble dictionary?
@Jaxck77
@Jaxck77 9 ай бұрын
It’s because the Americans wouldn’t be able to misspell “colour” anymore.
@JasonVaysberg
@JasonVaysberg 8 ай бұрын
@@aspuzlingthe official list only includes entries with base words up to 8 letters. Whereas, the tournament list includes words up to 15 letters. Also, a few trademarks in wide use (like jello) and curse words are added to the tournament dictionary.
@y124music
@y124music 11 ай бұрын
As someone who has read thousands of chapters of english translated chinese books qi is 100% a word at very common in these books you can even see it in book titles and simular ie "3000 years of qi refinement" (which somehow has a netflix show apparently). I assume the other "fake" words in the dictionary are also commonly used by some people, or once were in relatively common use by some people - otherwise why would they be in the dictionary!
@pjet8042
@pjet8042 11 ай бұрын
Right, a word is a word because people needed a way to describe something. A word is only strange because a person doesn't know it yet.
@IsomerMashups
@IsomerMashups 11 ай бұрын
"Ch" has never even been _a_ word, let alone a _common_ word. It's a dead prefix.
@y124music
@y124music 11 ай бұрын
@@IsomerMashups Pronoun ch (obsolete, dialectal) Alternative form of I The word "I" is quite common. It was short for ich the form of I used in the West Country, West Midlands, and Kent in England some time ago. Hope this helps.
@IsomerMashups
@IsomerMashups 11 ай бұрын
@@y124music It is and has only ever been used _exclusively_ alongside other words. And, even were that _not_ the case, _it's still been out of use for centuries._ If you're willing to go back far enough and dissect prefixes enough, _every_ two-letter combination is a "word."
@y124music
@y124music 11 ай бұрын
@@IsomerMashups so "an" isn't a word because it only comes before vowels? Also the reason it can be counted but something like "éǵh₂" obviously can't is because it was used in english that is still understandable to most speakers (at least I think that's the reason I'm not Collins Dictionary).
@bungaIowbill
@bungaIowbill 11 ай бұрын
Pah, modern scrabble is all about memorization!! The creativity of old-school scrabble is lost! I propose the variant Scrabble 96,000, alternatively called Richards Random. For each game, the dictionary is formed by generating random strings whose lengths and letter distributions match the original scrabble dictionary. Players get 30 minutes to study it before the game starts. Who's with me??
@louisraphael1727
@louisraphael1727 11 ай бұрын
Holy hell
@redboot3911
@redboot3911 11 ай бұрын
lol wtf
@artsenor254
@artsenor254 11 ай бұрын
You're a chess player, aren't you ? :P
@Beesman88
@Beesman88 11 ай бұрын
Fpar telpua seln, otnf hc ms. (That sounds good, count me up.) Made a generator for it, maybe I could try to get relations between letters in scrabble dictionary to make it sound more English while keeping it random, but as pure Fisher Scrabble this works. (Yitd o voiuiueae reg ew, tnnfi L enydt eia rs ade aeeieeige riuuawi ptmsair ew vnsgsism nmiecyadoe ko aiau ew eaaia csst Cwyasau accev daleici ew sfalcn, bri dr rkss Oceltu Oshasteo woun yesll.)
@michaellee7313
@michaellee7313 11 ай бұрын
@@louisraphael1727 New comment just dropped
@pturdjurhuus235
@pturdjurhuus235 11 ай бұрын
Hi, i'm faroese and I think that I can explain that mystical word "oe". The etymology isn't exactly correct, the correct form would be "oethi" or "øði" in faroese. The word "øði" just means wrath. However we do have a faroese word for that phenomena called "niðanfok"(en. uppwards drift) or "fúka upp"(en. to drift up). I'm guessing that the word "oe" comes from the first faroese dictionary by Svabo in the early 1800's.
@miaowmiaowchowface
@miaowmiaowchowface 11 ай бұрын
excellent thankyou!
@wanderer15
@wanderer15 11 ай бұрын
Amazing information, thank you
@AlexDings
@AlexDings 11 ай бұрын
Looks like the dictionary commitee fúka upp that one
@eliasmochan
@eliasmochan 9 ай бұрын
It feels like "oe" should just be the English name for the letter ø (very uniformed opinion).
@pturdjurhuus235
@pturdjurhuus235 8 ай бұрын
@@eliasmochan correct, that is how the nordic languages typically "anglify" the letters ø and ö.
@Dfcameron13
@Dfcameron13 11 ай бұрын
What’s hard for me is stuff like at a local zoo there’s a tur and a degu. Both are live animals but not valid in NWL. OTOH, coins that haven’t existed for a thousand years are still valid. Weird.
@pjet8042
@pjet8042 11 ай бұрын
I was wearing a GI in karate class back in the 70's, but it was only recently added to the Official Word List. The Chinese musical instrument PIPA is in the OWL, but not other common Chinese instruments ERHU*, GUQIN* and GUZHENG*.
@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewic563
@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewic563 2 ай бұрын
​​@@pjet8042 We do have to give dictionary makers a break, though. There are a lot of things out there in the world, and not enough time to give a short, easily digestible definition to all of them. Some things will be intentionally left out as if to say "look somewhere else, it'll be more enlightening than we could be", others will simply be omitted because time is finite and human knowledge is limited.
@Octave03
@Octave03 11 ай бұрын
I love the Collins approach. I think it’s cool to see weird and archaic words and learning their meaning and history. And you can really put an opponent off with a wacky play too.
@terracottapie
@terracottapie 11 ай бұрын
I'm more of a TWL player and Collins observer. I don't have the time or the energy to memorize that much shit, but I find high-level Collins matches to be the most fun to watch as a spectator. The extra words add extra nuances and decisionmaking to the game (see the other video on this channel about Nigel deciding whether to challenge a play off the board because he knew which of the 9,751 different suffixed variations of SULFUR was bad in Collins).
@XANDOAndy
@XANDOAndy 11 ай бұрын
Coming from the world of speedrunning, all of these complaints remind me *so* much of complaints about "glitches" in speedruns. Anyone who has ever actually been active in a speedrunning community knows that it is impossible to come up with a consistent definition for what does and does not count as a "glitch". The only reasonable compromise is to say, "If it can be done by anybody with a copy of the game, it is fair game." As a result, speedrunners don't really see glitches as a form of cheating, or even as anything unusual; we just see them as additional tools to move around the game we're playing. Unrelated, one of the versions of Scrabble I play the most is on the PlayStation. I've always really liked the cover art for the PAL PS1 version of Scrabble, but I only just learned from this video that it was just using the cover of the Collins dictionary at the time! I love that image! (the one of the tiles fighting over the triple word score)
@wanderer15
@wanderer15 11 ай бұрын
Amazing comparison that I had not considered before!
@IsomerMashups
@IsomerMashups 11 ай бұрын
The distinction is this: Speedrunners don't pull out absurd glitches when they play a casual multiplayer game with their friends. They generally have the social awareness to understand that there's a distinction between the spirit and the law of the game. _Scrabblers don't._ _That's_ where the terrible reputation originates. I go to a weekly board game night. Every time I've seen someone passionately interested in Scrabble, they rules lawyer to hell and back and drop words like "oe" and "ch." _Nobody_ enjoys it. Fortunately, they _do_ seem to have the social awareness to realize they're unwelcome and never come back. I suppose the glares, eyerolls, and whispering makes it slightly clearer.
@XANDOAndy
@XANDOAndy 11 ай бұрын
@@IsomerMashups What are you talking about?
@IsomerMashups
@IsomerMashups 11 ай бұрын
@@XANDOAndy I'm sorry for your lack of reading comprehension.
@derektroutman4793
@derektroutman4793 10 ай бұрын
​@@IsomerMashupsI mean, speedrunners absolutely will pull out glitches and similar in play against similarly skilled players. If you want someone to go easy on you, you can always ask them. Or make a rule that means the person playing the word also needs to roughly know the definition of it really is getting out of hand.
@williamhrivnak7345
@williamhrivnak7345 11 ай бұрын
When I play with my friends, our agreement is that if you can define the word and use it in a sentence before looking it up, you get to keep it. It’s our happy middle ground because it allows people to play those weird 2 letter words have it feel like an actual word as opposed to “I just memorized it on the list” which I feel takes the spirit out of the game. TLDR: If you play “Za” and tell me that its another name for pizza, I’ll accept it better than if you say that its ok because its on a list
@massivecowbreakout7555
@massivecowbreakout7555 10 ай бұрын
I was playing with my friend and he made the word "cornflaked". Even though it caused him to win, I knew I could never challenge such a glorious word
@aspuzling
@aspuzling 10 ай бұрын
I don't play Scrabble but these are the rules that my friends and I play Bananagrams with.
@luigiusa7976
@luigiusa7976 8 ай бұрын
I just don't like za as a word lol
@JuniperHatesTwitterlikeHandles
@JuniperHatesTwitterlikeHandles 11 ай бұрын
imagine learning a new word and being mad about it for some reason.
@jamessudlow
@jamessudlow 11 ай бұрын
@@jiaan100 Buzz off using "autistic" as some kind of insult. Also it's not because a word is odd or foreign to you that it's not reasonable to use it. The point of scrabble is to reward a wide knowledge of words
@JuniperHatesTwitterlikeHandles
@JuniperHatesTwitterlikeHandles 11 ай бұрын
@@jiaan100 Not words because.. you personally don't know anyone who uses them?
@Ascension721
@Ascension721 11 ай бұрын
​@@jamessudlow lol
@Dialectic42
@Dialectic42 11 ай бұрын
@@jiaan100you make a valid point, but how do you draw the line as to what constitutes “enough” usage? It could be pretty subjective. As Will said in the video, the rules of the game state that a word is valid if it appears in a mainstream dictionary, so that’s the standard which is used.
@Ascension721
@Ascension721 11 ай бұрын
​@@jiaan100 As an autistic person you definitely are using it as such lol.
@headlessnotahorseman
@headlessnotahorseman 11 ай бұрын
Great video, thanks! I think the issue is that so many of these words are so obscure that even a well-read person would never encounter them in the wild. A bit like all those ridiculous collective nouns that are never ever used in real life except to tell people that a group of rhinoceros is called a "crash". Some person just invented them for funsies a few hundred years ago and now the myth perpetuates that these are the collective nouns for things when there is no usage to back it up. It is the prescriptivism vs descriptivism debate. This turns Scrabble from a game of strategy building on knowledge you already have into rote memorisation of the equivalent of a foreign dictionary, like that guy who won the French Scrabble tournament without speaking French. Impressive stuff, but makes the game inaccessible to normal people.
@wanderer15
@wanderer15 11 ай бұрын
That’s true - well put. But there’s also a burden on the competitive world to show that not all levels of competition are like this (absurd dedication to memorization/min-maxing everything). Strong home players can walk into a tournament and find lots of people at their level to play. I admit I don’t do a great job of this myself, focusing as I do on the super-elite level of play.
@carlorossi4928
@carlorossi4928 4 ай бұрын
'That guy'
@epicsamurai5
@epicsamurai5 9 ай бұрын
I come back to this one every so often. As someone who often says "I'm jonesing for some za, I'm so glad it was added. On that note, I'm glad "jonesing" is also valid.
@sleepyzeph
@sleepyzeph 11 ай бұрын
the weird 2 letter words having legitimate usage is great, but even if hypothetically they were all nonsense, i think they still contribute positively to the game. also, house rules exist for a reason. if people are against all the weird words, they can just... agree to play without them. i like the rule where a word has to be in the dictionary and ALSO you need to be able to define it from memory.
@purpleness4422
@purpleness4422 11 ай бұрын
This is exactly where I disagree. Respectfully, of course. I think they make the game worse. In my opinion, they completely change the way you play the game. Thus, dividing the player base into players who have memorised these specific two-letter words, and those who have have not. I would consider that a massive negative. House rules are fine, I use them personally. But that should not stop me from arguing in favour of changing the official rules too. Why should people who think like me not have a chance to play in tournaments? Maybe my version of scrabble should be the official one, and your version can be relegated to house rules.
@MrCactuar13
@MrCactuar13 11 ай бұрын
​@@purpleness4422I think the two letter words just allows for more plays in general. At least personally I find that often I want to play a word that would otherwise get blocked by a 2 letter word I would otherwise think is invalid, but under Scrabble dictionary is probably perfectly fine. And the end game especially where you're scrambling to use up all your remaining letters is a perfect opportunity to squeeze in those last few points. More words=more fun imo. Besides, they're just 2 letter words they're not hard to memorize at all.
@DanNguyen-oc3xr
@DanNguyen-oc3xr 11 ай бұрын
@@purpleness4422Is the game not divided into those categories as it stands now? I feel like the people who have memorized those 2 letter words have a distinct advantage in eitger scenario.
@pjet8042
@pjet8042 11 ай бұрын
There are no weird words. There are only words you don't know yet.
@moocowpong1
@moocowpong1 11 ай бұрын
Whether the weird two letter words improve or detract from the game, I think it’s clear that removing them now would have a major impact on the character and strategy of the game.
@polopiipolo
@polopiipolo 11 ай бұрын
Credits to the ancient Chinese people who inadvertently coined QI for me to play the Q without U easily
@pjet8042
@pjet8042 11 ай бұрын
Give credit too to Arabians and Africans for QAT (also know as KAT and KHAT).
@elemenopi9239
@elemenopi9239 6 ай бұрын
middle easterners carrying most of the “Q without U” word category:
@Ximolia
@Ximolia 11 ай бұрын
Would love to see a similar explanatory style video about interesting banned/removed words from the game!
@henrg
@henrg 11 ай бұрын
that ruined a great bingo for me one time
@Charles-yi3mx
@Charles-yi3mx 11 ай бұрын
This is a great way to get your channel demonitized
@wanderer15
@wanderer15 11 ай бұрын
This would be a super interesting topic, but also has the potential to get pretty heated. I've been considering how to approach it!
@frankyang3784
@frankyang3784 11 ай бұрын
I think 'Jew' was removed from Collins. Do you know why?@@wanderer15
@Firefly256
@Firefly256 11 ай бұрын
@@henrgI once had the n-word as the only valid bingo play, but thankfully that tournament was still using CSW19
@uewbn7
@uewbn7 11 ай бұрын
Your channel is way too good. Even with negative response you can still make a good and educational video out of it! Kudos to you. Scrabble is so much more complex than what I thought it was when I played it as a little kid. It's great to be able to learn more stuff from this channel. Keep up the great work!
@jfb-
@jfb- 11 ай бұрын
Every scrabble checker I've used has given the definition of "ch" as an abbreviation for "church", which I always thought was strange as abbreviations aren't normally allowed. Interesting to learn it's original origin.
@Dragonatrix
@Dragonatrix 2 ай бұрын
It's original origin, per this video, is *still* an abbreviation though so it being allowed is still really weird
@ethanbrenna9798
@ethanbrenna9798 11 ай бұрын
I do think that, just as a sound will become a word if enough people recognize it as having a common meaning, a sound should stop being a word if that recognition falls below a certain threshold. I understand that the scrabble dictionary is only borrowing from other lexicographical works, but I still think a middle ground should be taken where if a word is clearly no longer in use in a given language, it shouldn't be allowed for use in a game centered around spelling words of that language. Still, this is no gripe at all about your channel - I love your videos!
@wanderer15
@wanderer15 11 ай бұрын
The idea of cleaning up the dictionary of obsolete words absolutely seems like a good one on its face. The problem is that as competitive players, we're all very fond of our obscure, barely-acceptable words which we often can't even define (lol), and would hate to see them go!
@Pablo360able
@Pablo360able 2 ай бұрын
@@wanderer15From a practical perspective, I can't imagine it would go smoothly. Adding new words is one thing - if players fail to memorize them, then they won't know all their options, and *might* issue a spurious challenge or two. If words are removed, but a player doesn't remember that it was? Dear lord the *salt* that would ensue.
@misekai6396
@misekai6396 11 ай бұрын
I think scrabble is more fun when the words are well known by everyone playing. In tournaments that means all the words and Will telling us the definitions when the rarer words are played is a great way to increase vocabulary even if the chance to use the words is unlikely to come.
@excelmuyiwa2407
@excelmuyiwa2407 11 ай бұрын
I remember early on in my Scrabble career when I'd get so mad while studying words in CSW and discovering a ton of words that just didn't make any sense to me. But after a few years now, they are barely words to me anymore, i store them like code and don't bother making too much sense of it. Great video by the way Will! Love how you're making lemonades off your experiences and criticism. Much love from Nigeria 💚
@NoNameAtAll2
@NoNameAtAll2 11 ай бұрын
"they are barely words, I store them as code" that's exactly why people are complaining - scrabble became "use random sequences of letters soneone wrote down" instead of "show off how diverse your vocabulary is"
@IsomerMashups
@IsomerMashups 11 ай бұрын
That's _exactly_ why people complain about it. It's not even a word game at that point.
@cringeginge7663
@cringeginge7663 2 ай бұрын
But whats even the point of scrabble at that point
@mbgdemon
@mbgdemon 11 ай бұрын
I'm convinced by all of them except "ch". The definition clearly says that it is always fused with other letters and does not appear by itself. There is no world in which parts of words can be considered words, or else you could play any common substring ("ght" for example). It's not a word if it doesn't appear by itself. The correct term for something like that is "morpheme".
@thecubist3817
@thecubist3817 11 ай бұрын
love the comment that said "we" wasnt a word. Wonder how he thinks "we" all feel about that...
@BKNeifert
@BKNeifert 10 ай бұрын
I actually used "Oe" in a poem. It's a zephyr in the South Pacific.
@benztheprotogen3502
@benztheprotogen3502 11 ай бұрын
I love that the explanation for ch is that it's part of a word, coming from a german word
@senecavermeulen8110
@senecavermeulen8110 11 ай бұрын
it’s not from a german word, it’s just that english used to have nearly the same word for ‘I’ as german, ‘ich.’ this is from proto-west germanic *ik, which fricated in german to ‘ich’ (fricative at the end) and affricated in english to ‘ich,’ pronounced historically as ‘each.’ the words were pronounced differently in english and german, it’s just that ‘ch’ represents a fricative in german and mostly an affricate in english
@benztheprotogen3502
@benztheprotogen3502 11 ай бұрын
ah i was confused as he said the first person pronoun@@senecavermeulen8110
@ITR
@ITR 11 ай бұрын
It would be interesting to see a dictionary with only commonly used words being used for scrabble. Like a special tourney or something.
@cmyk8964
@cmyk8964 11 ай бұрын
Just looked it up on Wiktionary; “ch” is a dialectal weak form of “ich”, which is an archaic form of “I”. Dutch has a similar weak form in colloquial use: ik → ’k.
@Para20Site
@Para20Site 11 ай бұрын
I started playing word games on the internet in English ever since I had internet when I was in my teens. English is not my native language, but most people learn English here. The first game I played was just a basic 16 letter anagram game and you would get the full word list at the end. I'd always read the list after each game and thus expand my vocabulary for the game and get better at the game. I'd never bothered looking up the meaning of those words as I figured I didn't need to know that and I would learn the meaning when that became relevant to speaking English. This wasn't to expand my English vocabulary, it was just to get better at playing this one game. When I started playing Scrabble in English online later on I used this knowledge to play obscure words I'd learned from that game and people would ask me what they meant. I regularly had to say "I don't know. I just know it's a valid word." And it would often piss people off that a non-native English speaker was beating them using words they didn't know the meaning of but were valid words.
@kidada7714
@kidada7714 11 ай бұрын
This little video just makes me smile. Love the history on OE. And the intro is hysterical. Thanks for all you do for Scrabble!
@timonix2
@timonix2 11 ай бұрын
Some "weird" words like qi is probably pretty common now due to fiction and games.
@_notch
@_notch 11 ай бұрын
As usual, I have no idea why KZbin recommended this, and as usual, I learned a bunch of new things about a fascinating subject I've been sort of wondering about for a long time. Thanks for the video, that was a very satisfying watch!
@bonerwall
@bonerwall 7 ай бұрын
May the river of comments be blown back to their source by this oe of truth
@danielreed5199
@danielreed5199 3 ай бұрын
People complaining about "made up" words, just wait until they find out how all the other words we use came about.
@alanhe4476
@alanhe4476 11 ай бұрын
some of the complaints are understandable (za seems like a weird include, especially since its a localized shortening of pizza - since grats, crip, guac, preg aren't legal despite being pretty common modern shortenings of words), but complaining about qi just sounds ignorant, though i guess the comment about shortening is moreso a question of the dictionaries catching up with modern language
@wanderer15
@wanderer15 11 ай бұрын
GUAC at least is coming in the 7th edition update!
@meinhardhansen3050
@meinhardhansen3050 11 ай бұрын
Wow, what are the chances. I recently got interested in scrabble and this channel. I did not expect to hear about the Faroe Islands, my home country, in a video about scrabble. I have personaly never heard about the word "oe" but now i will remember it forever.
@jaolaugh
@jaolaugh 11 ай бұрын
I've heard a couple stories of Scrabble experts traveling to the Faroes, asking about oes, and the locals having zero idea what they're talking about
@warrendsmith6832
@warrendsmith6832 11 ай бұрын
HA! Proof that scrabble nerds just made this shit up! "ZA", yeah right.
@jaolaugh
@jaolaugh 11 ай бұрын
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@cukka99
@cukka99 11 ай бұрын
You mean dictionary makers, not Scrabble nerds. Blame the people who put together the source dictionaries, which had nothing to do with Scrabble. The one and only one example I know of a set of words being added to the Scrabble dictionary without coming from the source (general purpose, not Scrabble) dictionary was the time the Scrabble owners had a little publicity stunt and had people vote on a word to add. GEOCACHE was the word voted in, and was added, along with its related forms like GEOCACHED etc. Other than that, it has always been the case that dictionary makers decide to add a word to their dictionary for dictionary making reasons that have nothing to do with Scrabble. So yeah, Scrabble players did not make up ZA or CH or anything else. They got included because they were in an actual English dictionary. @@warrendsmith6832
@wanderer15
@wanderer15 11 ай бұрын
How cool! Thank you for stopping by my channel and watch out for those "oes" ;)
@Firefly256
@Firefly256 11 ай бұрын
Lmao 0:59 did Daniel just ask what “or” mean?
@koipen
@koipen 11 ай бұрын
My only gripe with 2-letters words is the very fact that there are so many different lists of them - I play Words With Friends which has a totally non-standard dictionary from either SOWPODS or TWL, so the occasion I play OTB scrabble with friends my 2-letter intuition goes out the window.
@joebykaeby
@joebykaeby 11 ай бұрын
“Drop a comment below and I’ll add it to the pile” lmao most savage interaction reminder ever
@itskmillz
@itskmillz 11 ай бұрын
Love the stuff, as a guy who only played the game a handful of times as a kid I never thought I would enjoy scrabble content so much but the algorithms brought me here and I really love the complexity of the top level strategies! I found a similar interest about chess 6 years ago and I see some similarities in the way players compete in both (clock, 1v1, ELO, etc..)
@hridaysamtani5797
@hridaysamtani5797 11 ай бұрын
Highly informative and entertaining. Great stuff, as usual, Will. Although there are plenty of words which aren't featured in CSW yet, lexicographers don't get enough credit.
@AlexDings
@AlexDings 11 ай бұрын
I get the logic in allowing any word that is in even one of the source dictionaries, but we probably could have avoided alienating a lot of people if the word list included only the words found in *a majority* of sources, like at least three of the five lexica. That seems like a much more solid basis for a word list that people can get on board with.
@wanderer15
@wanderer15 11 ай бұрын
I have thought this too. I didn't get into this in the video, but one (and only one) of the OSPD updates did conform to a multi-source standard, whereas the rest became single-source (as I mentioned, the reason is increasingly that there aren't enough places updating regularly for there to even be a multi-source requirement anymore)
@Nexit1337
@Nexit1337 11 ай бұрын
the secret of scrabble is that you are not forced to make a real word, in fact you are allowed to make up any word you want, you just have to convince the opponent that the word you want to use is a real word used in the world, and the moment he approves and your word is placed, it's there for the game yes, doing it is impolite 🗿
@Charles-yi3mx
@Charles-yi3mx 11 ай бұрын
It's not really "impolite", challenging is part of the box rules of Scrabble and you can easily prevent your opponent by doing it by improving your word knowledge so you can spot fake words (which are called phonies in competitive scrabble) and challenge them off more easily This is a legitimate strategy used by tournament players, some of the (fake) words I recall having been played successfully by top tournament players in a desperate attempt to get back into the game are TETIART, REDISCERN, and OVERTALL. Of course, you could call this "cheating", but it's part of the box rules, and like I said you can easily prevent this from happening to you if you get better at recognizing phonies, and each of these cases the opponent made a mistake by not recognizing that those words aren't real and not challenging them. Also in my opinion, phonying being a valid strategy adds another dimension of bluffing to the game and makes for some of the most hilarious stories. Top Scrabble player Josh Sokol got away with BOBETAH in a game and defined it as a cross between a bobcat and cheetah.
@Dashie04
@Dashie04 11 ай бұрын
This is how the band Foghat was formed
@HeavyMetalGamingHD
@HeavyMetalGamingHD 11 ай бұрын
I don't care at all for scrabble, but I watch all of your videos, because they are simply very entertaining. The stories are great and you are a good storyteller, a very good storyteller.
@wanderer15
@wanderer15 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for giving my videos a chance!
@TedRandomGamingChannel
@TedRandomGamingChannel 11 ай бұрын
Another wonderful video. Personally, I think the "weird" words can be very helpful, and one of the reasons I like seeing your videos covering professional games is all the weird words I see in them! Keep up the great work :)
@ciscoortega9789
@ciscoortega9789 11 ай бұрын
The obscure two-letter words are weird, but (as a novice) I've come to accept them as a net good for the game because it makes the gameplay more exciting! Playing parallels is one of my favorite things to do when playing with my brother, as well as dropping the QI/ZA bombs Qi is tooootally a valid word too, like I don't think it should be a contentious question. It's just ki/chi but romanized different (yall heard of the Qing Dynasty?) ...most of the complaints in the intro are valid gripes except for the people complaining about nu, like lmao broskis have yall ever heard of the Greek alphabet. Of all the 2-letter words in the list, nu has got to be one of the least challenge-able
@denisl2760
@denisl2760 11 ай бұрын
Qi is clearly a word. Za is slang that should not be a word.
@Charles-yi3mx
@Charles-yi3mx 11 ай бұрын
The words BINGOING and BINGOED are actually only in the Scrabble dictionary because of Scrabble. The definition of BINGOED in the Collins dictionary is "BINGO, to play all seven of one's tiles at Scrabble [v]".
@wanderer15
@wanderer15 11 ай бұрын
NU complaints surprise me too!
@pjet8042
@pjet8042 11 ай бұрын
@@denisl2760 - ZA bothered me too when it was added to the official dictionary. I wondered if it was a regional thing (like the way a sandwich is either a sub, a hero or a hoagie depending on where you are in the U.S.) but I've yet to hear pizza referred to as za anywhere.
@maximillianmudkip7943
@maximillianmudkip7943 11 ай бұрын
Will's videos always give me so much happiness, love scrabble lore videos like this
@joshuaolmsted2865
@joshuaolmsted2865 11 ай бұрын
I think a lot of casuals to the world of scrabble bristle at the idea of scrabble being a *strategy* game. Or even of the game being played competitively at all. I think a lot of those people have a memory of a time they busted out their parents dusty scrabble box, and found out that either (a) one of their friends knew some basic defensive scrabble strategy that led to a clustered board and a less fun game for,l them, or (b) they just realized that other people just have a much better command of vocabulary, making them feel dumb.
@qqw743
@qqw743 11 ай бұрын
I don't bristle. I understand strategy is involved. I like competition. I still think that the list of words in the competitive game should match general knowledge or risk becoming an elitist gated experience -- which is what we observe. So be it.
@shonuff5297
@shonuff5297 11 ай бұрын
@@qqw743 It doesnt take much to memorize all the 2 letter words.
@Celia_Dawn
@Celia_Dawn 11 ай бұрын
@@qqw743 There's 107 two-letter words in scrabble. I don't even play the game competitively but that's hardly anything to memorize.
@wanderer15
@wanderer15 11 ай бұрын
@@qqw743 I really don't disagree with this point of view. It's a shame that so much of the good stuff in Scrabble is in fact gated behind the oddness of the words.
@terracottapie
@terracottapie 11 ай бұрын
​@@qqw743 Yeah but the problem is, how do you define "general knowledge" in an objective way, that still allows millions of people to play by one standard set of words? No matter how you do it, some of the words are going to be "weird" to somebody. Setting the standard at "this word appears in reputable dictionaries" seems fine. Much better that way, vs. "internet rando thinks this word is dumb, take it out"
@Sam-oz8pn
@Sam-oz8pn 11 ай бұрын
I do think there should be a “colloquial words” dictionary where only the top 100k or so words *currently* used (like, either you know them or you could reasonably find them in a book or on the news) are valid. It just makes more sense for most people who think of Scrabble as a language game and not a technical game
@memyselfishness
@memyselfishness 11 ай бұрын
It would also create an interesting experience for tournament play. They would have to use a highly decreased dictionary, limiting their options.
@tjenadonn6158
@tjenadonn6158 11 ай бұрын
​​@@memyselfishnessMaybe it could be a separately sanctioned Scrabble variant, akin to how FIDE has started sanctioning tournaments for Chess 960/Fischer Random Chess in addition to standard chess. Maybe it could be Scrabble's answer to bullet chess.
@procsorted
@procsorted 11 ай бұрын
A dictionary designed for school kids would probably do the trick here. You could use one in your games at home. I'm sure lots of families already do something similar.
@denisl2760
@denisl2760 11 ай бұрын
@@procsorted I don't think that's a good approach. Highly technical obscure words that are still used should be allowed, such as chemical names. Archaic foreign versions of spellings of words that aren't used anywhere and slang that is only used when texting friends should not be allowed.
@procsorted
@procsorted 11 ай бұрын
@@denisl2760 Ah so you want the Denis dictionary. Fair enough. Just let the publishers know which words you like 😋
@repacharge431
@repacharge431 11 ай бұрын
Hahahaha that beginning was hilarious. Keep up the incredible high-quality content!
@negativeseven
@negativeseven 11 ай бұрын
It does not particularly help the case that ch is defined to be "always fused with the verb".
@tommyallen5761
@tommyallen5761 11 ай бұрын
I mean that's gotta be only the fifth best complaint about ch. A shortened, fused version of a German pronoun that fell out of use over 500 years ago? Come on now.
@qqw743
@qqw743 11 ай бұрын
Two thoughts: 1. I've mentioned before that it would be interesting to have tournaments based on a sort of People's Dictionary of words in common parlance. This would eliminate the problem that success in competitive Scrabble is based on list memorization (and strategy of course) rather than on playing a game based on something we all know -- English. The People's Dictionary could be crowdsourced by sifting through the existing word lists, casting aside nonsense like oe that no one uses. The standard would be "Have you said it in the last year?" 2. Would love to see you interview Fatsis, or discuss and update Word Freak. I read it when it came out and am curious what has changed and what has not. Thanks.
@denisl2760
@denisl2760 11 ай бұрын
What if someone is well educated in a certain topic and regularly uses obscure chemical names for example? They're clearly real words, but would that make it into your "people's dictionary"?
@brainface2970
@brainface2970 11 ай бұрын
But this does not eliminate memorization at all. You would have to memorize what is on the "normal word" list and what is not. Also this would feel awful to play casually because a word you use in your day-to-day life might not be in the basic dictionary and you can't really guess.
@SAYFVCKFOR100DOLLARS
@SAYFVCKFOR100DOLLARS 11 ай бұрын
just find some crazy person to spend 3 years and do it themselves
@qqw743
@qqw743 11 ай бұрын
@@denisl2760 In order to make it into the people's dictionary, it would have to be upvoted by a certain percentage of voters, eliminating obscure expertise problems.
@qqw743
@qqw743 11 ай бұрын
@@brainface2970 It might not eliminate memorization but it would greatly reduce it. If you have "DABINGL" on your rack, you'll find a bingo or not, depending on your strengths as a player of ordinary words. But if I play it, you won't challenge it because you'll go "Oh, yeah, fair, that's a word." But if I ask someone who is not memorizing the Collins to find a word using "OORIE," they might not find "oorie" unless they're Scottish.
@gridstop-or6cb
@gridstop-or6cb 11 ай бұрын
Why do these people think "ab" and "aw" aren't words?
@Muskoxing
@Muskoxing 11 ай бұрын
And "Eh" as well! I use that word every day! Unrelated question, guess which country I'm from!
@Charles-yi3mx
@Charles-yi3mx 11 ай бұрын
I've seen many people say that onomatopoeia shouldn't really be words
@CarMedicine
@CarMedicine 11 ай бұрын
and "we" and "or"!! (1:00)
@Muskoxing
@Muskoxing 11 ай бұрын
@@Charles-yi3mx That seems silly to me. Where do you draw the line? Should words like honk or bang be invalid?
@arthurcaron9453
@arthurcaron9453 11 ай бұрын
@@Muskoxing why should'nt they ? both are frequently used verbs...
@sjoerdglaser2794
@sjoerdglaser2794 11 ай бұрын
Fun fact, oe is the English writing of the Scandinavian (letter) ø.
@256laika
@256laika 11 ай бұрын
I find it so interesting how detached from language as we usually see it scrabble words get it and how they’re really nothing more than tools for the players. Imagine if the community took a similar approach to say some grassroots esports (super smash bros melee is the main one im thinking of because its the one im most familiar with) and changed the rules (word list) for some kind of betterment of the game cause I feel like there definitely could exist some arbitrary set of letters that would make a more engaging game if they were accepted as valid
@wanderer15
@wanderer15 11 ай бұрын
I compare Scrabble to Magic a lot - a game with a very very large “move set” (words in Scrabble, cards in Magic) but Magic cards are obviously very purposefully created to perform a certain role, whereas in Scrabble, the development of language is completely random (detached, to use your word).
@korohacker
@korohacker 11 ай бұрын
I used to play this version of Scrabble (maybe early 2000s), where in it contains the official rule book, that ALSO contains the whole entire list of 2-letter words valid at that time. Me and my friends always refer to this list to check whether our two-letter word plays are valid, and with its help, managed to net some crazy combo plays
@n018b5
@n018b5 10 ай бұрын
My favourite part is that at 0:55 they act as if emeus is a ridiculous word, its the plural of emu, that's like saying ducks isn't a word.
@evanbelcher
@evanbelcher 11 ай бұрын
Question: If a new rule to competitive Scrabble was announced that forced players to define any word they played (not necessarily recite the official definition, just make it clear that they know what the word means) do you think that would actually limit the words that get played, or would that be just as easy for pros to memorize as the words themselves?
@wanderer15
@wanderer15 11 ай бұрын
Interesting suggestion! I do think the top players would make that extra effort. It surely would not be as easy to memorize - it would introduce another barrier to full in-game mastery of the dictionary, but I don't think it would be an unreachable level of memorization.
@RealGrouchy
@RealGrouchy 11 ай бұрын
This is more or less the house rule I play with (in noncompetitive, i.e. fun, Scrabble)
@pjet8042
@pjet8042 11 ай бұрын
@@RealGrouchy -yes, when I play against non-tournament players (i.e. living room Scrabble), I only play a word if I can define it.
@jfb-
@jfb- 11 ай бұрын
That's the house rule I use against less experienced players. They can look up words freely, but I'll only play a word if I can give a definition.
@peterfranklinrouth895
@peterfranklinrouth895 6 ай бұрын
The opposite of Nigel Richards and French
@leafgreensniper13
@leafgreensniper13 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for not censoring the comments
@Ascension721
@Ascension721 11 ай бұрын
I love some of the wacky words in there. Makes it harder to learn, but you learn a lot of stuff.
@Alphoric
@Alphoric 8 ай бұрын
I like how people have a problem with slang terms like Za but are perfectly happy to use ‘sus’ and ‘rofl’
@gabebenson6105
@gabebenson6105 11 ай бұрын
I think scrabble should have more swords and/or pistol duels involved. I figure this has like to do with words, but it’d be fun to watch
@jakeholmes9296
@jakeholmes9296 11 ай бұрын
I love all the unusual words in scrabble they’re awesome. Learning is fun, it turns out!
@sophiegrey9576
@sophiegrey9576 11 ай бұрын
"But they play stuff like ... (AW)" aw man, it sure sucks that aw isn't a word. hm, maybe i can write down all these weird words on one ab, then get some za while i study
@sophiegrey9576
@sophiegrey9576 11 ай бұрын
also people questioning 'za' as a word is vindicating for me hating when people refer to pizza as 'za'
@sophiegrey9576
@sophiegrey9576 11 ай бұрын
OH MY GOD SOMEONE QUESTIONING "WE" AS A WORD LMFAO -we- need to ban that person from everything /j
@robinier
@robinier 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for making this. As someone who has studied linguistics this is a pretty interesting and informative overview of why the Scrabble dictionaries are as they are. The Chambers dictionary makes a lot of sense. Sometimes when I play with family we pick a single dictionary like Merriam Collegiate and sometimes even rule out certain classes of words (like foreign currencies, letter names, or slang) to accommodate everyone. Keeps it more accessible for everyone, because honestly it's not as fun when one person knows all these obscure Scrabble words that no one has heard of.
@wanderer15
@wanderer15 9 ай бұрын
Scrabble is great at all levels as long as there isn't a huge knowledge or skill gap between players - agree that one person going crazy with those weird "Scrabbly" words against others who don't know them isn't conducive to a fun game.
@lamMeTV
@lamMeTV 11 ай бұрын
I love that you actually interacted with the comments at the start LOL
@WipZedKay
@WipZedKay 11 ай бұрын
Know what? Screw using a combined word library from different English dictionaries, just add EVERY dictionary into play and watch the chaos unfold!
@pikchassis
@pikchassis 8 ай бұрын
urban dictionary
@code_report
@code_report 11 ай бұрын
I can't definitively say this is your best video ever, but it is definitely the best video I have watched! I know the editing of the comments and all the graphics probably took a great deal of time (as well as the audio/music) but it paid off in spades! Keep up the fantastic work. You are doing more for scrabble than you probably know!
@wanderer15
@wanderer15 11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! It was a little different than the game analysis videos for sure, which revolve a lot around the game board. I'll definitely be experimenting with this format more.
@77elite9
@77elite9 11 ай бұрын
If I didn’t get in to scrabble I would probably be like the many people asking what the heck these weird words are. But due to me getting into the game I actually now get it. And as of now I’m getting scolded at school and home when I play scrabble because of these weird words.
@wanderer15
@wanderer15 11 ай бұрын
You'll have to show them this video ;)
@IsomerMashups
@IsomerMashups 11 ай бұрын
The fact that you don't understand _why_ people are upset with you demonstrates precisely the lack of social awareness which is causing them to get upset with you in the first place.
@77elite9
@77elite9 11 ай бұрын
@@IsomerMashups I’m cool with the people who scolded me after I showed them this video. I’m fine now.
@ahoy1014
@ahoy1014 11 ай бұрын
How on earth did so many people complain about 'ab'? Onomatopoeia I can see why you'd get confused over, but 'ab' is literally one of the most well-known colloquial muscle names.
@Charles-yi3mx
@Charles-yi3mx 11 ай бұрын
There's a comment in the mix complaining about "or" as well. Some people don't think before they speak.
@wanderer15
@wanderer15 11 ай бұрын
@@Charles-yi3mx I even once had a comment of someone listing "BE" as a word they disliked, but couldn't dig it up when I searched for it (maybe deleted in shame?)
@tsukiiiiiii
@tsukiiiiiii 11 ай бұрын
This is literally my reaction when seeing people complaining about QI. Bro QI is more well known than like 80% of all the 2-letter words in Scrabble from both dictionary
@RealGrouchy
@RealGrouchy 11 ай бұрын
They probably think of it, rightly or wrongly, as an abbreviation of "abdominal muscle"
@CyberchaoX
@CyberchaoX 11 ай бұрын
Like half of those words are obvious though. Can't believe "em" was one of the ones that kept recurring; I actually knew the meaning of that one before this video.
@tissuepaper9962
@tissuepaper9962 6 ай бұрын
and even if EM and EN weren't typesetting terms, they would still be the names of the letters "M" and "N". Even funnier than people challenging EM and EN is people challenging AB, ET, and QI. Some of the comments shown at the beginning of the video even challenge the validity of OR and WE. I can understand not knowing that FE is the 17th letter of the Hebrew abjad or that DE is the fifth letter of the Cyrillic alphabet, but not knowing AB or QI?
@tinymicrowave6821
@tinymicrowave6821 11 ай бұрын
I’ve always wondered that, it’s hilarious how many words are legal.
@xakuray5522
@xakuray5522 11 ай бұрын
I don't know if it was already the case back in the 70th, but a lot of recent dictionaries would include made-up words so as to use it as evidence in case their work was simply copied/stolen. Thus, by including all words from multiple dictionary sources, it is very possible that actual made-up words became part of the scrabble dictionary.
@nomophobe
@nomophobe 11 ай бұрын
Given that no-one is forced to play Scrabble, go to Scrabble tournaments, or watch Scrabble-related videos, it really is strange how many people are busy getting mad over not recognising every Scrabble word. If learning new words to play a game doesn't sound like fun to you, have you ever considered just not playing the game? 😂😂😂
@DadgeCity
@DadgeCity 11 ай бұрын
Word.
@wanderer15
@wanderer15 11 ай бұрын
True! But I really do understand why the dictionary frustrates a lot of people. I don't expect this video to change too many minds, but at least it'll explain how things came to be the way they are.
@pjet8042
@pjet8042 11 ай бұрын
In over 20 years of playing in our local club, there were 2 incidents where someone came up to us in a coffee shop, observed the "weird" words on the board, and became angry and argumentative.
@Cherokeechuck9
@Cherokeechuck9 11 ай бұрын
The intro was fantastic 😂
@stylishlyheartless979
@stylishlyheartless979 Ай бұрын
The perfect video, I’ve been arguing in favour of the scrabble dictionary when playing with my family and now I can explain why some words are in the dictionary
@crosswordboss
@crosswordboss 11 ай бұрын
Why the Official Scrabble Dictionary would exclude the OED to their list of go-to dictionaries was not a wise choice. Actually, the Shorter OED would have been the only dictionary they would have needed!
@freebeerishere
@freebeerishere 11 ай бұрын
Fascinating, both the video and the fact that so many can’t stand these words?! When I would play Scrabble with my family I would always be the one trying to put down two letter words and hear “that’s not a word”. So when I discovered that all these funky words are played COMPETITIVELY I felt very vindicated. I think all these short strange words are what makes competitive Scrabble so much more interesting. We get those “overlaying plays” dumping for “fishing” and just gives the game that high skill ceiling. Oh no… I’m Scrabblepilled……
@IsomerMashups
@IsomerMashups 11 ай бұрын
Newsflash: the reason you don't understand it is because you're the one causing the bad reputation Scrabble fans have.
@viviblue7277
@viviblue7277 11 ай бұрын
You see the thing is that they only add words never remove them. Yes new words come into being, but words also fall out of use and die. I’d say that any word that hasn’t appeared in one of those trusted dictionaries for 10-15 years should be removed to trim the bloat.
@BeyondMediocreMandarin
@BeyondMediocreMandarin 9 ай бұрын
I'm getting into scrabble because of your videos. (:
@joshcoughx
@joshcoughx 11 ай бұрын
Is badass a word? Because this channel is badass.
@ronaldwayne7092
@ronaldwayne7092 11 ай бұрын
Yes, it is.
@evandonovan9239
@evandonovan9239 10 ай бұрын
Great explanation! I stopped playing Scrabble long ago because I love the written word, not memorizing words that are good for use in Scrabble play. That being said, I am surprised people thought qi was an invalid word. Not only is that one incredibly useful in Scrabble, it's also a fairly common word these days. Za is not as common, but I can see why they would've added it.
@biquinary
@biquinary 6 ай бұрын
WHOA at 2:08 it sounds like there is a very slight echo just as you're saying "original" and I immediately started thinking about Chris Staecker
@qwerty3793
@qwerty3793 8 ай бұрын
I understand why the oddball two letter words in particular get such visceral reactions - they are crucial to use as "linking words" if you want to do well in tournament play. Words like ZA and QI can even be used to gain 60+ points if played well. I would guess that part of the reason that such plays annoy people is that it goes against the "crossword" look and marketing of the game. People who are new to Scrabble, in my experience, seem to play words in isolation, connecting only the one required letter and failing to form bonus words (with a few exceptions, like linking an S plural). They miss out on the bonus points they may have gotten by playing these mini words and stick closely to the concept of a crossword puzzle. And then they typically don't score as well. I guess what I am saying is that tournament/high level Scrabble play takes advantage of two letter words to maximize a score in a way that could be seen as "ruining the spirit of the game." And it doesn't help that a good number of accepted two letter Scrabble words are infrequently used at best. It can be frustrating when a series of well-placed two letter words nets your opponent as many points as a bingo does, when a bingo is supposed to be this unmatched super play with its 50 point bonus. Personally, I like all these random two letter words. They are great for offloading some inconvenient tiles and for scoring well when bingos aren't an option. Looks like I may be in the minority.😅 Anyways, great video!
@vitex198
@vitex198 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for explaining how the Scrabble dictionary came about!
@Zebra_M
@Zebra_M 10 ай бұрын
Removing words whose dictionary definitions start with "old english, archaic, dialect, abbreviation" and so on would already start to clean the list up nicely to make it more 'reasonable', but in the end just seeing it as a list of allowed tools makes more sense than tackling an eternal debate over which words count.
@iGleeson
@iGleeson 11 ай бұрын
A whole video dedicated to the words people complain about would be great, rapid fire, go through them all and give their definitions 😂
@IsomerMashups
@IsomerMashups 11 ай бұрын
The reason people don't like Scrabbleheads is because Scrabbleheads think a video like that would change any non-Scrabblehead's mind.
@thegodofpez
@thegodofpez 11 ай бұрын
This is one of the best sarcastic intros I have ever watched. Laughed out loud. Even LULZ# for these neophytes making these comments. Bravo, Mr. Anderson.
@bungaIowbill
@bungaIowbill 11 ай бұрын
Unrelated, but hear me out: what about a full-information version of Scrabble? The initial racks are randomized, as is the order of the letters in the bag, but the order at which you get new letters is revealed at the beginning of the game. Still way too complex to do exact calculation until close to the end, but maybe interesting?
@wanderer15
@wanderer15 11 ай бұрын
These are the turns in competitive games that drain the most time - the endgame (perfect information) and when your opponent plays a phony bingo which you challenge off. Some of those decisions are brutally complicated (and very interesting, as you suggest)
@ieatatsonic
@ieatatsonic 11 ай бұрын
Here I was thinking Za was like some old word that became defunct. No, it's actually just about Hot Za
@Cyfrik
@Cyfrik 11 ай бұрын
Which is a bit weird. Isn't 'za typically spelled with an apostrophe, which the rules say excludes it?
@ctrlaltdan5619
@ctrlaltdan5619 11 ай бұрын
Okay so after the 40th time of KZbin recommending me your videos and me watching the whole thing AGAIN I figured I should subscribe. Great stuff!
@wanderer15
@wanderer15 11 ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
@DeafeningZap
@DeafeningZap 11 ай бұрын
I knew a couple of the two letter words, like za and qi. My mother would flip her shit every time we play, saying they aren't real words. She would concede that I won, but it wasn't with real words. Very annoying and that is just me knowing a couple two letter words
@DadgeCity
@DadgeCity 11 ай бұрын
Playing in family situations, you can (and probably should) agree to play with a smaller wordlist, eg. whatever dictionary you have on the shelf.
@ohtani2024
@ohtani2024 11 ай бұрын
When I was very small, PH was once a valid word I swear I played this word before. Also EMF was valid too!!!! Now both of these words no longer exist
@IsomerMashups
@IsomerMashups 11 ай бұрын
My dude, you have gotten to the level of Scrabble brain-rot that you are _knowingly antagonizing your own mother._ I've got four letters for you: S-T-O-P.
@kend0638
@kend0638 11 ай бұрын
The "challenge" of a word should force the opponent to come up with a sentence using that word, or explaining it
@javen9693
@javen9693 11 ай бұрын
It's true that the Scrabble dictionary should probably remove words as often as it adds new ones. All the archaic letter salad words dont actually broaden the scope of the game, the players have just found a small subsection of the obscure words that are super convenient and come up over and over again. Maybe all of these problems would be fixed by having more Themed Tournaments and stuff, where players have to know what the words mean and relate their definitions to the given theme of each game. Would definitely be more fun and educational for viewers
@wanderer15
@wanderer15 11 ай бұрын
No question, some dictionary cleanup would make a lot of sense. There’s likely to be inertia from competitive players who see the words purely as playing pieces and don’t want to lose any, but I agree it would be a net positive for the game.
@tomgymer7719
@tomgymer7719 2 ай бұрын
I would be curious to see play with a house rule I have played with, which is that you have to know the meaning of the word. I know players can memorise a lot of words, but adding the definition would make it much harder, and I'd be curious to see what people prioritise in those settings.
@Crystaxx_.
@Crystaxx_. 9 ай бұрын
Wait till they find out that qwerty is playable (in some dictionaries)
@undeniablySomeGuy
@undeniablySomeGuy 11 ай бұрын
It’s weird that people would be so against obscure short words. Almost never have I seen people upset by obscure long words
@IsomerMashups
@IsomerMashups 11 ай бұрын
"Ch" contains no vowels. It is literally unpronounceable.
@rickpgriffin
@rickpgriffin 11 ай бұрын
Reading the entry on 'ch' is still odd because it's not a word so much as a clitic--it never appears on its own. So it really seems like it was only included because it's in a full entry despite that and the original rules didn't make a distinction any further than 'doesn't contain apostrophes or hyphens'--otherwise there's a series of prefixes that would have been included that aren't because their entries end in a hyphen. (unless they are? Do all prefixes appear in the scrabble dictionary?)
@wanderer15
@wanderer15 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, hard to argue with this logic regarding CH. In general, prefixes do not appear on their on, but a bunch of them are in there because of other definitions (example: RE is a note of the DO RE MI scale, not re- as in "again")
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