REDDIT IS THE WORST

[@landonbailey]

I haven't Reddit all yet

[@ByTheSpirit84]

lol nice

[@paulo.costa2103]

You have taught me how to and I have built a guitar. No hate here, just sheer appreciation for what you do. Carry on and have fun!

[@mrfatbobrider1969]

😂😂

[@mrfatbobrider1969]

One guitar channel that gets me cussing is the one where the guy talks way more than doing the work and gets ya pissed off for watching someone going into deep thoughts about what could or could not be makes a 1 video into a 5part video, but I usually like most I watch on KZbin… Nothing to hate about your content Landon, ifs always interesting, informative and entertaining, keep on keeping on Bro ✌️😎👍

[@RockandrollNegro]

r/guitarcirclejerk is 50% Joe Bonermaster memes and 50% coherent, intelligent guitar discourse. The non-jerk guitar subreddits are full of cancer and should be avoided at all costs.

[@Zetamen7]

@@RockandrollNegro and so much TOAN

[@mk_rexx]

I first learned about 60CycleHum because he sometimes shitposts on r/gcj

[@ForSquirel]

I learned the proper way to introduce a metal zone into my pedal chain by going there.

[@DMSProduktions]

@@ForSquirel By REMOVING it?

[@veikkajoensuu]

​@@DMSProduktionswhat? How can you get good toan from your electro-acoustic without cranking up 4 metal zones going straight into a line-6 spyder?

[@24avenged24]

1:19-1:42 Is why people hate guitar youtube, and really just social media as a whole. Things that were done out of passion are now not just done for money but done in a revenue focused way. Even channels I don't hate, like yours, hit a point where to continue growing the videos become more and more generic click bait that feels like its determined by what advertisers want more than any passion for the videos themselves.

[@SearchingForTone]

Unfortunately speaking from a creator standpoint, it’s KZbin’s fault. Generally we’ve all been knowledge seekers and enjoy regular content. However they lump us all into the other niches out there, which they way they push videos out is if the viewer clicks on your video “it’s cause of a catchy thumbnail” and the longer they watch is because of that “thumbnail”(image). Just learning all this now since I started doing this it’s a stupid method

[@HAMMERHEAD-g3h]

​@@SearchingForTonemany years ago I started a KZbin channel and it was growing in popularity. People started sending me free stuff to review and I was enjoying it. Even had another large KZbinr come down to consult with me on how to make my channel grow and to make more money. As more and more stuff got sent to me and companies offer discount codes to people who bought the products, I realized that my channel was turning into more of an advertisement for companies. I was sitting at work one day and I had to uploaded a video at home that was rather large than taking some time to edit. I made the decision right then and there that I was going to delete my KZbin channel and never be involved with content creation again. I've got a good job with good benefits and I'm not going to give that up to try to stay relevant for the rest of my life just so people can hound me in the comments.

[@JayBruceWorld]

I think it’s because viewers are SUPER SATURATED with endless shilling and KZbinrs selling their souls just to get money or products. “The new _____ is a game changer” how many times a quarter do we hear that? It’s less passion for the instrument and guitar community and more career driven. I get it, most of these guys are full timers, but as a consumer I’m tired of getting absolutely financially fisted for gear that has taken a massive nose dive in QC /overall quality. There also isn’t any originality anymore. Here’s new gear that’ll revolutionize the industry. All my Opinions are my own. Here’s a super processed jam track. Here’s why I like it and why you should buy it. End. Rock and roll mentality is dead and buried.

[@UTubeHandlesSuck]

QUARTER? I hear the "game changer" garbage about 3 times a WEEK.

[@eddiejr540]

Agreed…and nothing is bad, all products are the greatest and you need them!!!

[@JuxtaCrucem]

Yeah, tons of clickbait.

[@SearchingForTone]

@@eddiejr540 Think sometimes it really depends on the product, maybe sometimes the person. So I don’t get paid by the company. I haven’t reviewed too many guitars yet but I did take a sander to an Epiphone LP after getting it damaged and retailer wanted me to pay for shipping.

[@Lee-fn6en]

While I do agree with you, saying the rock and rock mentality is dead is a bit much. It’s the same as it’s always been. A guitar and an amp. You don’t need to watch KZbin to know that

[@chrisdaviesguitar]

It's not hate against guitar channels, it's hate against bad or poorly created guitar channels. Some people think they put up interesting posts and it's quite simply not the case. They either can present, or they can't play (infinitely worse imho)

[@artfuldodger0870]

Have you tried making more 😮 faces in your thumbnails?

[@CameronSpanos]

This guy has absolutely no toan (balls)

[@landonbailey]

why do people like this guy comment in third person?

[@replicated]

@@landonbailey sick burn bro

[@JasonCan-wp2fu]

@@landonbailey lmao

[@nimblybimbly4002]

I miss oldschool online forums. They've mostly died off but what has replaced them (Instagram, Facebook, Reddit, etc) do not really serve the same purpose.

[@cbaten2]

Thegearpage?

[@SearchingForTone]

@@nimblybimbly4002 Discord kind of has become that way. I started one for my channel to see how it goes. But there are still some out there Strat talk, LP forum etc…

[@joeblankenship377]

If you can find a good FB group, they can sorta be like the old school forums. I'm in a group for comedy podcast fans and it's a pretty decent community. I've even met up with some of the folks in real life, gone to comedy shows together and what not.

[@jamespollock11]

Yahoo Groups was predominantly excellent but was dissolved after 20 years as Yahoo went into a financial death spiral. Google groups pulled a similar stunt even though it has a $200,000,000,000 cash reserve.

[@thepostapocalyptictrio4762]

The problem is KZbin itself. KZbin was not set up from the beginning for creators to monitize video. The truth is KZbin was set up for KZbin itself to monetize videos they got for free. I think many of music KZbinrs issues come from trying to kludge together a system to make money from this.

[@sarimhashmi9701]

Outjerked again!

[@zayisdead]

Shoulda made the question “What genre is more challenging to play? Rock or R&B/Soul?”

[@dhoover751]

It’s not just guitar channels. I watch a number of different kinds of channels and I hear the same thing. The anonymity of the internet has, unfortunately, brought out the worst in us. When we used to have to relate to each other face to face we were a lot more gracious because we would have to take responsibility for our words. When you hide in the shadows of the internet with your untraceable username, you are emboldened to be nasty. I seems to be the price we pay for this new world. I’m glad you are digging into this subject.

[@djb6496]

Many youtube channels are straight up cringe. every day its a stupid thumbnail that tries to get us to buy some thing. Reviewers especially seem so afraid to give an honest opinion on something because they believe that X company will no longer sent them free stuff to review.

[@richardcummings1167]

I watch quite a few guitar based channels. My only issue is when a channel puts out a "How to play *this* song" video, and then over the next week a dozen other channels are posting how to play the same song. There are millions of songs to be learned. Please stop copying each other. I know each channel has a different way of teaching the same information, but please show us something not already taught on a dozen different channels.

[@13soulz]

@zackpack8I wish we had this much info on music songs guitar rebuilding and modifying adjustments, lessons and all the other channels that help me out. Back in my day we had nothing what took me months to learn takes minutes now and free too 😂 we were copycats .. everyone wanted to learn Hendrix, EVH, etc So yea .. this generation is awesome 👏

[@iliketrains3495]

Real talk, that's why I like channels such as Anyone Can Play Guitar, Bloxsy and Sparky Guitar, they don't just cover all the classic rock that 100 different channels have already done tutorials for. Mr Tabs gets a pass just because of his insane production value.

[@Oizzy]

I mean, I feel like a lot of them will have suprisingly different takes of the same song, so I always try to watch at least two or more videos when learning a new one

[@Chris-kc5id]

I'm subbed to quite a few but watch the videos less and less nowadays. I think people grow weary of videos like "this store sent me 10 guitars so I can decide which is the best one" type stuff or the really pretentious shit like "When I started my Jazzmaster journey..." Even worse is it seems like as soon as one guy does a video on Jazzmasters (I'm not including Puisheen in this, his channel is always really informative and interesting) the rest of the usual suspects have a Jazzmaster video. It's all so repetitive and grating. I saw *someone* almost in tears of disbelief at the realization that rosewood or maple fretboards offer a minute difference in tone. I mean... Come on. The guys like Stevie T or Scallon who are supposed to be "funny" are just flat out unbearable though.

[@Creed_fan_69]

No 035, no butterscotch tele, no ok

[@Hickeroar]

The stuff I hate is when the youtubers are pretentious, condescending, know-it-all, or endlessly push their narrow opinions as if they should be "fact" for all musicians. I also absolutely despise when youtubers do a gear comparison, declare that the cheaper thing is better (or just as good) when they don't know what they're playing, but then still try and justify why you should spend the 3-10x on the more expensive piece. Shull has done this on Les Pauls for instance. I can't watch him anymore because of his crazy defenses of truly mind boggling opinions (like how he won't shut up about how tube screamers are crap and no one should ever use them. If he was being memey it'd be one thing, but he's perfectly serious). There are /r/guitar and /r/guitars because one of them is run by some truly vile mods. They've gone so far as mass banning people who post on competing subreddits. I can't remember which though. /r/guitarcirclejerk is really just a bunch of normal people getting together to try cope with the idiocy that goes on in the guitar community, and poke fun at the ridiculous hills people choose to die on. You get CRAZY responses, but then they often "/uj" and their opinions are perfectly reasonable. It's supposed to be over the top, by design. I like genuine, humble youtubers who just like to geek out about gear and are accepting of the tastes of others. Tim Pierce, for instance, is a world class talent, but he's also so geniune, friendly, and an all around great guy that anyone would want to hang out with. This channel is another one: Landon doesn't care about being a snob. He cares about geeking out about playing guitar and trying random gear. Robert Baker is also one of my favs. Super chill and approachable. Paul Davids is a tremendous talent, and all around genuine guy, but he just talks so far over the heads of most of his audience that I had to stop watching. He gets so into theory and advanced explanations that his content is really only suitable for people who just want to geek out watching him play or who have classical training (both of which are fine, but I'm just not in that crew). ULTIMATELY: We all have to figure out what we want to watch, and just don't watch the stuff we don't like. I had to watch a lot of youtubers before landing on the small subset that check the boxes I like. It's OK to unsubscribe, and I think people forget that. P.S. - I also hate when guitartubers push their own courses constantly. I tried a couple a while back just to see what they had, and they range from "fine" to "really dumb," but even the good ones aren't any better than the Fender lessons that cost a fraction as much. For what they charge, you can get virtual lessons with an actual person over zoom, etc. I would also never risk any of Paul David's courses because I would truly fear that his beginner stuff would be far over the head of most beginners. He's kinda typecasted himself that way.

[@SearchingForTone]

@@Hickeroar have you tried David Wallimann’s courses they are pretty cool

[@Nachtmahr616]

A certain "geeky" guitar channel also acted all condescending when I stated my dislike of Ibanez's decision to avoid stainless steel as much as possible, even in the 2k€+ ranges, since they don't have as many stainless steel models as the likes of Esp or Solar. I had played Ibanez for longer than the guy is on this planet, yet he became mad due to my my comment and called it uneducated, because he is an Ibanez shill who can't read up simple facts lol. Guitar channels are only good for tabs or some podcast style talk. Reviews? No thanks

[@BeastMadeReviews]

I love guitar channels! I watch them on a regular basis. There are trends that bother me (like multiple channels all reviewing the same thing) but most of the things that “bother” me are not unique to guitar channels, and happen with any niche. What I love in particular about guitar channels is that they typically can give more varied information and experience with gear. Everyone has different ears and will have different tones, and I find that helpful in giving me more information than I could get as compared to some other product (like a camera, for instance). I think what irritates some people is seeing the shift from “hobby” review video to professional review video. It seems to me that some people have an irrational expectation that reviews should ONLY be hobbyist level and money and compensation should never enter the equation. I think more people love them than hate them, but the people who hate them are just very vocal and ugly. I find many people appreciate the time and effort it takes to make a review video, and they accept the “reviewer economy” if it is disclosed openly and the video helps them.

[@The11eleven]

Here’s the main issue with most KZbin channels: they scour their brains to come up with ideas to make videos solely for the purpose of “mentioning their sponsors” first, and then still got their settings to allow for ads to appear every 3 minutes! Their content as a byproduct is usually mediocre at best. It’s utter garbage! It’s because of content creators like this that KZbin, in general, has become so fucking lame!

[@thepotatotaxi2430]

Exactly. Rob Scallon? Great music content. This guy? GEAR GEAR GEAR BUY NOW TOAN!! ! ! it's so boring and it's not guitar content at all

[@LysanderLH]

I’d say it’s more about gear reviewers and gear makers than it is guitar channels?

[@KnapfordMaster98]

For me it’s “content.” Just any guitar channel that feels like “content” and not a genuine outlet for thoughts and fun. I get that this has become a job for a lot of people, but the results just feel so hollow.

[@xneurianx]

I can't remember which group it was but either r/guitar or r/guitars banned someone for posting a picture of their new 9 string Schecter that they were super excited to have, because they felt it was a "shitpost". And then because people made fun of them for that, they started banning anyone who posted an extended range or schecter guitar. Then the other one popped up - either r/guitar or r/guitars, whichever didn't exist. It was basically intended to be a place you could post the things you like without getting judged because it's not what the mods like. Circlejerk subs are inherently parody subs, where they pretty much solely exist to take the piss out of the actual subs where people post seriously. The content is usually deliberately weird and offputting, but often posted by people who do actually care a lot about the topic; they just hate the cork-sniffing and infighting nonsense and want to make fun of it. Which means circlejerk subs look really offputting and obnoxious until someone comes in and asks a genuine, sincere question, at which point you often get some of the kindest, most sincere and positive responses. Reddit is weird.

[@masamune9082]

The problem with Reddit is it filled with mostly social rejects and just people who are generally very bitter about everything. Also, most redditors tend to really hate anything that is related to “ business “ or capitalism per se as seen by most of them being communists/socialists.

[@Lomoholga2]

The reason? Perhaps because the overwhelming majority are just modern day infomercials with the sole purpose of selling/marketing to consumers They contribute to the intense mindless consumerism that is never satisfied- the focus is on getting dopamine hits through gear acquisition, gear lust etc. Once you get the gear, you get a huge hit but it depletes quickly and you start the cycle again It takes away from the alternative reward system of actually playing the guitar and making music etc The gear manufacturers benefit HUGELY as for the cost of gear they get unparalleled marketing access that would have cost an outrageous amount of money and an actual marketing department back in the 80s and most of the 90s The KZbinrs benefit as they get some money from their channel, and they get free or greatly discounted gear Back in the 80s and into some of the 90s people were keenly aware of the cringe of informercials and the transparent marketing that it was Today however ppl seem to have mentally regressed and welcome infomercials into their lives with open arms and apparently enjoy being treated like a consumer But the consumer does benefit certainly from being exposed to new products that would have zero chance of being made back in the day as it would be impossible for a small maker to get something off the ground without a large investment etc

[@cadavergirl8596]

Reddit is weird. If you're in the right communities it can be really cool; but just like the rest of social media in general it can be a cess pit. It's definitely not as bad as Twitter though. Or Facebook. Those are certifiably the worst.

[@thepotatotaxi2430]

Exactly. Any reddit community with over 500k members is a cesspool. Especially when they discuss politics, it's a far left echochamber nearly every time. They don't get exposed to anything they don't believe so they get confirmation biased into more extreme ideas (due to the closed and focused nature of subbreddits). But the guitar jerk is funny and unironically better than the actual guitar sub

[@jimmyjimmy951]

Without You Yube I would be lost. Love the fact that I can choose the content I watch and interact with other viewers and host, 👍🇦🇺

[@SearchingForTone]

I have met some great people through my short time creating. Some great new faces in the guitar community.

[@matthewsommerville88]

I posted a picture of my collection, with a very G rated joke about college education, office work, and buying guitars. Basically, the debt and time was a waste but at least I can buy some cool guitars. The post was received incorrectly in the most awful way, and was completely hijacked as a weird political argument by a handful of insecure people I can’t even understand in the slightest. I just want to have fun and enjoy guitars, it is all very light and breezy for me. Reddit, I see now, is deeply INTENSE if nothing else.

[@necroticpoison]

I think music YT is unique because decent amounts of people will watch unhelpful content. 5WW, Rhett, Beato, etc. make good videos but sometimes they're just dross and not informative. They're entertainment sure, but I think us esp. guitar players are more happy to shut off our brains and watch hollow videos than most. They normally have hard-to-resist title+thumbnails too. YT punishes videos that fail to retain people (even if they get clicks) so I think in other spheres, those types of videos would sink, but because they get clicks and long-watchers, then it invades everyone's recommended (even if you wouldn't watch it), and that annoys those that wouldn't watch it.

[@TheGuitarGeek]

5:30. - you nailed it. This is my theory behind most of the nastiness towards us.

[@paultaylor2968]

@@TheGuitarGeek love your channel ....a ray of smiling sunshine 👍

[@artfuldodger0870]

“They’re just jealous” is some groundbreaking, insightful analysis lol

[@FrankLafone]

"This is an incredibly lazy video idea" - my wife. Me: "Yeah, maybe, but I clicked on it, so good on Landon! It worked!" :)

[@musiqueurbaine]

I don’t get why ppl write hate comments when they can just not watch whatever it is they are complaining about. Most KZbin creators such as you Landon put their heart and soul into the content they put out. It always saddens me when far too many cross the line of constructive criticism and hatred. As an amateur KZbinr I welcome constructive criticism. Specially, when it can contribute to improving myself and/or my content. In the end, I know kindness will always prevail.

[@thepotatotaxi2430]

We want music content, not gear content. Like 10 people are down to watch some guy talk about the epic toanz you can get from some 1755 dollar pedal he got sent. The only good guitar youtubers are Marty Schwartz and Rob Scallon and Rob is more music focused than anything.

[@timchalmers1700]

When I find a site that I don't like, I don't click on their thumbnails. I appreciate your thoughtfulness.

[@SpartacusPlanktonpants]

I think the question needs to be a broader one; why are there so many haters in the world? Why is there so much bitterness, resentfulness and jealousy in the population?

[@MrTabasham1990]

r/guitarcirclejerk isn't vile. It's just people goofing off and having fun making shit posts.

[@JC-ee8qm]

places like r/guitar are just silly and the whole up/downvote thing in general is biased toward holding a herd mentality. Nice content keep em coming!

[@glenndavid8725]

Because it favours entertainers/talkers rather than really good guitar players, they show you how to play something and can't even do a decent rendition of it themselves, unlike my real life guitar teacher who can play ANYTHING in ANY genre, an absolute monster player/teacher.

[@senseiruss]

Landon, this is an excellent idea! Loved watching it! Now I'll go play guitar and have fun, as you recommended!

[@juanvaldez5422]

Many will shill for the first advertiser that gives them the time of day …

[@Roy_Gaber]

I consider many media outlets as shopping malls, we roam from store to store looking for that special something, meanwhile the answer to better playing is practice. Anyway, that does not answer the question you posed. Some of the hate could come out of not improving themselves as players, and they lash out at the YT providers, or as you mentioned they are chasing personalities and troll and hate the ones they clash with. Very thought provoking approach Landon.

[@Smart-Alex]

Fun video actually, even though the topic isn't based on fun. I think KZbinrs like you who are generally positive will win the KZbin game. There was a recent video about why relics are great, and the channel knew how inflammatory this subject is, so it just comes across as clickbait to use people's emotions to fuel clicks. It's just plain annoying to see that getting people's "goats" will put money in their pockets.

[@Steven-kj7xq]

People need to keep their goats in the barn. If people see your goat they're gonna want to get it.

[@Smart-Alex]

@@Steven-kj7xq Yeah, I can scroll past too, of course. And my goat would be safe back home haha

[@M5guitar1]

More guitars, less hate.

[@MichaelSheaAudio]

I kinda get turned off or don't care about gear videos because I think the method they use favours the seller more than the customer. I've detailed this in a video. Even guys like Glenn Fricker aren't immune to giving opinions on things like sound instead of facts. I like Glenn's videos not because of his mixing or his opinions on what music is "good", but because he makes me think and search for the truth, and ultimately save money. I will and have pushed back on certain things he's said because they don't align with his own philosophy. I just want the consumer to get the truth, and we don't get that as long as guitar reviews continue as they are.

[@jasonm3602]

Selling, shilling, demo-ing, showing me gear - I don't care about the method behind it, I just like guitars and guitar gear and want to watch people talking about it. Ultimately, I have free will and can choose not to buy it - no one is forcing me to buy anything. Where's the harm in someone trying to make a living on KZbin? Unless it's that guy, I think his name's London Old Bailey or something, He's terrible.🤣🤣

[@BigMateo24]

I think it's a little funny how ever since there was internet, there's always been someplace for people to gather and complain about things. Before it was Harmony Central, that was a huge one and lead to some consequential fallout between manufacturers, The Gear Page, Rig Talk, and now it seems to have moved to Reddit. It's like cliques in high school in a way. Hell, on Harmony Central alone in it's heyday each sub forum was it's own clique. The forums on Reddit very much remind me of the Harmony Central amps forum, only brave souls would dare enter. You'd better have thick skin, but they were always tight communities and I remember chatting with several members who are really chill people and some who went on to have big KZbin followings. My personal thoughts, I think it's just a little oversaturated, I also think personality bias comes into play, mostly with how some represent themselves on KZbin. Some personalities just rub some people the wrong way. I also see parallels happening to this crazy guitar community as a whole that happened to the KZbin tech channels, mostly with how new products are being presented. There's nothing wrong with that, every one is entitled to do whatever they want and run their business their own way, but it seems like that most of the Tech channels were more than happy to take the money from companies and just pump out video after video for free stuff or deep deep discounts, and not only that, provide all of the marketing and beauty shots for the manufacturers. The companies supplying the product doesn't have to do much anymore, they just write the check and let the KZbin machine handle all of it. At some point, people get burnt out on this stuff. It's all the same, video after video of the same thing and same information. That's my overall concern. Anyways, kudos for going into the Lions Den of Reddit though, I don't know if most would have the courage to venture there.

[@brentarnold1619]

I just never read the comments. I'm fine with a channel being sales-focused as long as they're not misrepresenting what the gear can do, and I correct for that by comparing more than one channel's take on a particular piece of gear. And candidly, the channels I enjoy most are the ones where the hosts seem to genuinely enjoy what they're doing.

[@Oizzy]

As someone who's learning guitar, the thing about guitar youtube that saddens me isn't necessarely click-bait, but click-bait that targets people's fear of sucking; titles like "THIS is the REAL reason your playing sounds like a stupid silly toddler!" with no information what the video is actually about Like, even if these videos contain genuinly good tips, they kinda bolster the idea that learning a skill is all about the end product and not about enjoying the process, ya know, the actual learning part If more people stopped worrying about sucking at guitar and started having fun instead, I think that way less people would quit within the first 12 months of practicing Play guitar and have fun

[@PalidicoVermingagurania]

I’m not on social media- but I would be if an employer asked me to create a space for one that’s related to work. I appreciate your channel- sometimes I love it sometimes not so much. Neither should concern you at any major level. Be careful- Putting importance on social media views it’s not an intellectually sustainable thing. enjoy your channel I do too. Thank you.

[@Leo_ofRedKeep]

People sticking Telecaster thumbnails in my face. Arghhh!

[@victorboucher675]

Complaining is a substitute for accomplishment.

[@ItsVictoriaG]

Love how you went with the top three names right off the bat like you spent a lot of time looking at the subreddit. 😅

[@nabilchaouli3489]

you say this is the way it's now and it's not going back and yet you don't like it when people voice their opinions and you call it hate, it's not hate, it's people getting sick and tired of mediocre, cash grabbing, talentless KZbinrs mudding the waters and taking advantage of the hobby.

[@Case_]

Can't change human nature. Add to it the amplifying glass of the internet where everyone has a voice and an opinion and can get away with being as nasty as they want without any real consequences...and there you go.

[@PaulSmith-qh7ky]

Stop the effing click bait! Landon is a good honest tuber, long may he post.

[@stratguy1013]

I didn't know people hated guitar videos. I personally really enjoy most of them. Landon I look forward to your videos. You make me smile and lift my spirits, but what do I know, I'm a guitar player.

[@rockhuerta]

No Schecter 9 string in the background guitar aresanal. Opinion invalidated.

[@landonbailey]

I keep those at my feet

[@doogledog1740]

It may just be that you see more of the "hate" than I do as a KZbin viewer. I see only a very moderate amount, but then I do like to think I frequent quality establishments with high-class clientele 🙂

[@robertevans2143]

When I learned to play guitar there was no KZbin. We learned just by ear and listening to a song 50 times over and figuring out all the parts and solos. And this is how all the best did it back when music was actually good. That made them better musicians then we have today. And I'm sick of seeing all the useless gear reviews. One guy says this amp is the best thing in the world and another says it is a piece of crap.

[@landonbailey]

did you learn on Feb 13 2005?

[@Inlittlewayseverythingstays]

Many guitar youtubers are dishonest and do become shills. Not all, but many definitely do. You can see that by all these "game changer" videos. They alway find the most amazing delay pedal(until next week)...

[@CraigFlowersMusic]

See, I don't get any negativity in my comments sections. That's what I'm waiting for. When people start trolling you, that's when you're doing it right. Right now I just get a bunch of "OMG you're a rock god" stuff yawn

[@SearchingForTone]

@@CraigFlowersMusic I don’t get any rock god comments 🤣 rightfully so, but more words of encouragement than the bad ones. If it’s good constructive criticism then it helps, the “mean” ones are always used for a good laugh.

[@thepotatotaxi2430]

Well yeah when you don't upload you don't get views or comments

[@mr.giggles4995]

I hate when youtubers give away cheap pedals and convince their viewers to jump through hoops to get them (selling your personal information to 3rd parties...). It's shady. It's also annoying to get 15 different reviews/ads for the same gear on the same day around the same time. I don't really hate any guitar channels or youtubers, although i get annoyed once in awhile. I wish more of them would just play more guitar and experiment creating cool sounds.

[@Oogiesgarage]

I think because of the endless selling of crappy cheap equipment and the endless charade of saying expensive doesn’t mean quality so they can sell or promote whatever cheap equipment they are pitching.

[@shanewalton8888]

KZbinrs have to understand is no one cares about their comment section as much as they do.

[@Metal-lz8td]

You mentioned my comment but didn't really respond to it. I still think that guitar gear tubers get "hate" (let's just call it general skepticism) because their content is clearly not made for consumers, it's made for their clients, who are major brands and corporations. Like I said in my comment, I can't fault anyone for making a business as a paid advertiser, but I don't really feel obligated to advertisers, either. They're performing a service to a brand, not to me. One thing that I do find off-putting is how many gear tubers recently have been pushing back against this sentiment by insinuating that I do owe them something for their content, whether it be suspension of skepticism or something else.

[@AkaSnugD]

People do know that they don’t have to watch things they don’t like, right? In reality, people like being angry, like venting and reveling in anger, and will find things to be angry about

[@Wisecracka]

And you know people can bitch about whatever they want right? And that their "anger" or criticism can be valid and justified right? Stop with the platitude pseudo-wisdom bullshit, as if you're some type of alien psychologist commenting on archetypal behavior patterns to justify your lack of having a stance.

[@gregmize01]

I reported your comment! 😠

[@SearchingForTone]

Peace and love peace and love✌🏻❤

[@HAMMERHEAD-g3h]

People don't. That's why they go on other platforms to talk about why they don't like the channel. There's a lot of guitar KZbinrs that I go right on past and don't even waste my time. If somebody asked my opinion on that channel, I'll tell them how I feel. Some of these channels have truly became so ridiculous that it's an absolute joke. How do I know? I used to have a pretty decent size KZbin channel in the early 2000s when KZbin first came out and it became nothing but people sending me gear to try to get me to sell their product. I already had a decent career and I said enough. Not doing it. Not spending 6 hours of my day uploading and editing a video to sell something for somebody else for free. After I quit the channel, I would still get notifications like crazy when people would comment. I just deleted the whole thing. I didn't even claim my last earnings until years later. My wife found that I was owed money on my unclaimed property site. KZbin in the beginning in my opinion was actually pretty good. It was individual opinions and it was not a lot of money being exchanged. Now it is replaced guitar magazines as the way for pedal companies, guitar companies and amplifier companies to sell their products to the masses.

[@SearchingForTone]

@@HAMMERHEAD-g3h are you gearmandude🤣 he’s been missing. It is hard these days, no one reads these days. I can’t even find a guitar magazine in my local supermarket anymore. I remember my dad shopping for food and me going through every guitar magazine….I found recently my library has online versions but it just doesn’t seem the same.

[@fat_ninja_status]

My experience as a photog has made me see most people think anything artistic and creative should just be given to them. They have no problem spending money and being supportive to huge companies and sports figures but once they can talk directly to an owner it's seeing what they can manipulate. So especially online people choose to be keyboard warriors. Same as when I started trying to sell magazines or prints in the car community I was in. Was always people wanting to haggle me down or push boundaries etc. Common question was basically don't you have a real job why are you asking us for money? im offering a product for money, same as the jordan jersey and Nike. People just want to be mad at how others make money because they either can't or their day job eats up to much time for them to be creative. There are guitar channels, photography channels, and skate channels that I enjoy, and those I just don't watch. I've even been working on putting together 2 channels myself. However it is alot of work and alot of effort more than most people will ever fathom. It's not just that it's a guitar channel it's just humans being upset that you arnt working as hard as they are. Just look at the people working day jobs that get mad at fast food workers. Even though they go to them everyday for food instead of making their own food. While focusing their anger on the workers they can see instead of the company itself.

[@danrunnoft6642]

People get angry when they realize that they just wasted another 15 minutes watching KZbin instead of doing something worthwhile. Damnit!!!

[@williekenk]

My comment made it into the video! Wasn’t expecting that.

[@russellzauner]

Well now I feel ironic in that I upgrade YT because I hate ads just to watch bigger ads But to be fair, if an industry doesn't teach its customers anything they'll never be able to create and move new products.

[@TheDanification]

KZbinrs and other social media creators put themselves out there for opinions/engagement. If you have strong opinions, that will probably invite strong responses. I feel that GCJ and other subreddits are a lighthearted poke at creators who maybe take themselves too seriously, aren’t likable, or post clickbait. Probably easier said than done, but try to brush off the negative stuff. It’s the internet after all.

[@IdolMako]

the one thing i do hate is how youtubers will be very wealthy, yet companies will still send them gear for free, genuinely the people least in need

[@Ottophil]

The people who will help sell more guitars. Thats how it works man

[@spookswarbirds]

I've watched you build this channel over the years. You're doing great and I'm glad to see that you've cracked the algorithm and are accelerating nicely. Most of the hate is the result of envy. You're living the life that they feel entitled to, but don't have the skills and drive to build for themselves. Reddit is a fucking toilet. Pay them no mind.

[@TheTrueStevieK]

I feel like the most actual hate, not just people trolling, comes from a superiority complex if someone does something different, then it’s not “the right way”

[@jacobpugh4096]

I like your channel. Your reviews have helped me pick up some on my favorite guitars. I think you do great job and am happy that you're able to make a living doing this. So, thanks! Please keep it up.

[@Johnwick-ed7vo]

First off nope not a KZbin channel, just a ordinary guy, blue collar, if you don't know what that means then it's a person that gets up, gets ready for work punches a clock, gets their hands dirty so on and so fourth, we move. Now let's jump in this, i am into alot of things, unexplicable events, RC, music, movies, books, modding and building guitars. You get the picture. Sad fact is, I see haters on all my channels, so guitar channels are no different from what I see. Yes some people indeed do have alot of money coming in to them and their channels. As stated in this video I believe. More power to them, I dream of some of the guitars i see reviewed, there are some that I just want so badly, maybe someday. So here's the novel idea that we all have heard of, be happy for them, if you were in their shoes would you be like, nope don't feel like eating this week. Highly doubtful, we all got bills to pay. So just my opinion, but lighten up as long as they give an HONEST review they are still providing us the viewers with their take on a product. Now you do have to sift through the words, as they might say something like this, this could be better, When what they might want to say is this feature sucks or plain this product sucks. Don't go off one review, I don't care how much you trust a single channel, watch several and keep track of what they say could be better, if enough reviwers say the same suggestions or say the same things need worked on, then you can usually count on that specific thing not being the best. The other thing is this, yes every KZbin channel has to play the thumbnail game, if they want the most views possible. Before you call it click bait, know what click bait means. It's not when they make a dramatic thumbnail, as long as they talk about what that thumbnail shows. It's when they make a thumbnail and don't talk about what is in the thumbnail. Now I personally think that some thumbnails are in a bit of grey area, but that's part of that game I told you about. I'm also aware of some channels flat out are click baiting. So yeah that's a shame, not to mention a waste of our time. So yeah it's just my opinion but I think we could all do with a little less hate, and stop actively searching for something to complain about and put people down for, and be a lot more thankful that people took the time to give us their informed hands on opinion. Thier opinion. Not mine, not yours but their opinion, no one is holding a gun to your head, if you don't like it, go watch something else.

[@1355Anthony]

My biggest issue with KZbin guitar players and KZbin guitar videos in general, is that you still have no idea how anything really sounds. Everything is close mic’ed 🎤 🎙️ , and over produced. If I want to know how something sounds in a room I should be able to open up KZbin and have thousands of videos of guys just playing the amp And Guitar. But everything is over produced through some program on the computer, with 2 or more mic’s and several pedals. We need videos of how amps actually sounds in a room setting without being mic’ed, and Guitars being played without pedals. Otherwise…. It’s a pointless commercial video. Just my opinion.🤷🏻‍♂️

[@actuallythepie]

youre the only gear guy that i enjoy watching on this platform landon! im not really a nerdy gear guy nor do i have the money to get into that stuff. but your character and humor is always top tier!

[@itslikethesamebutdifferent8020]

I don’t hate guitar channels, in fact i love them. If there was any constructive criticism to be had it would be that when a new guitar drops, everyone says it’s the greatest guitar ever made….until the next guitar drops and then THAT one is the greatest guitar ever made etc. which makes it look like they’re paid advertisers rather than actual musicians.

[@thepotatotaxi2430]

HMMM I WONDER WHY THEY LOOK LIKE PAID ADVERTISERS WHO KNOW NOTHING ABOUT MUSIC 😮

[@Gintelligence]

I think it`s cause people arent EASYGOING any more, i still am , horray for me!!

[@sboy1955]

It’s not personal, all subject matter YT channels turn to shit eventually.

[@JonNewquist]

Because: People

[@SuperdangerStudios]

Little do they know, no one will be more critical of my videos than me. Their worst comments pale in comparison to my own self loathing. Good experiment.

[@jimilee459]

Reddit is full of hate when you have a contrary opinion. I wonder where all those same people go when they’re researching gear. I know where I go.

[@bryanwalters9574]

I think it has to do with human nature and social media. When people perceive themselves as part of a community they take on the values of that community and get a sense of meaningfulness by acting out those values and growing in the esteem of their community members. When you are a member of a subreddit, and a prominent point of view develops among the members, it is psychologically easy and rewarding to shift your view in that direction and join the crowd. Combine this with the fact that anger gets more clicks so in the context of reddit in particular these social dynamics tend to express themselves in more negative ways.

[@rockerbuck967]

Some videos are over-scripted. Some take too long to get to the point. I know KZbin's algorithm looks at watch time and retention but if you make quality, informative content, you should be able to keep viewers around. If you're worried about retention time, then go for KZbin shorts. There's people out there that like those too.

[@nathansweeney96]

People mad about guitar youtube channels being monetised because theirs isnt

[@thseed7]

I don't waste time hating any creators or advertising. Just don't watch if it doesn't appeal to you. I play guitar while I watch guitar KZbin, sometimes I learn something. Most of the time I just get to enjoy guitars and music in a way that I don't get from my non-musician friends.

[@keestoft250]

Much of human interaction involves the exchange of subjective information. Our opinions define us, and we're often unable to temper them, especially in a safe space where we won't be called out for more extreme views - KZbin. I love guitar channels btw. .

[@donald-parker]

I saw your reddit post and provided a detailed response. Which you ignored. Seeing this vid I think you could have posted a question with a narrower scope. I responded to tutorials (which mostly suck), gear reviews (which mostly are sponsored advertising) and cool stuff which actually provides interesting history and useful info.

[@joeblankenship377]

I hate 'em because they make me want to buy stuff that I don't need/can't afford. And KZbin FORCES me to watch them!!! Grrrr!!!

[@AndrewMcDonald]

Can you do the same thing, but ask the question: "Why do we have so many overdrive/distortion/fuzz pedals? And why do we have a new one every month?"

[@dougoneill7266]

No names no pack drill, whether it is right or wrong, I feel that some people are just telling lies for money. I'm a cynical git at the best of times and I just avoid those channels that I think are doing that stuff. I don't hate them, I just avoid them

[@Leo_ofRedKeep]

Where is the hate/love? Many just watch videos and won't even see the comment section. Some who comment won't see further than the first comment beneath theirs as they type. Only a few and the channel owner will see the full comment section. Others don't see much love or hate, just a video. Love is in the views. Proof is in the eating. What's the point of clicking a "Like" button anywhere or even commenting "I like this"? This is redundant. It seems many have no own critical sense and only want to blindly trust others: they then hate commerce of all sorts as well as what offers them a freedom of choice they never learned to exercise. They are the belated children communism preys on, wanting the world to be their mother.

[@snapfinger1]

Freedom of Choice is Great. I watch ALL your vids on KZbin but shun ALL other social media.

[@hotrodjones74]

They just wish they were as funnily awkward as you.

[@GitShiddy]

It's people fundamentally not understanding KZbin is a job. And KZbin is a bad paying job. Which creates, multiple revenue flows, excessive work loads & inevitably with that strain a default to repetitiveness in creativity. Which is exactly what happens to anyone who is overworked. Sometimes autopilot is required. But still people can't see KZbin as work, especially if they've never tried it, if they just consume it thoughtlessly it's the same basic thing as people being rude/pushy to anyone in a customer service situation. Now people having preferences for personalities or types of presentation (preferring teaching to gear reviews etc) completely understandable, maybe don't be a dick about it & say someone has a "punchable face" in a public forum. Feeling inundated by how many their are? That's on your algorithm not the channels/creators trying to exist. Want less guitartubers. watch less guitartube. Watch something else, do something else, expand your focus & suddenly a guitar KZbin video that features the phrase "disclaimer: this video is sponsored yadayada blah blah blah, my thoughts are my own I'm just trying to not starve." won't phase you at all. Because you'll know it's just a part of their job.

[@arjnoro1]

Saw the review of the cheap matte red and Im surprised squire has been making these cheap guitars for decades. The bridge sucks, the nut sucks and tuners. I bought a Jet guitar for the same money and is perfect! Sounds great out of the box, no prob with jack, knobs, bridge (two ponint) and the tremolo arm is push!!!!! Cmon squire gwt with the times.

[@essian]

People get called shills when they promote multiple competing products/brands that they don’t sell or even use themselves. They’re not part of the company, they’re not promoting their own shop and don’t have a stake in the game. Their motivation appears the same as ticket touts - they’re purely there to clip the ticket and make money. Zero warm fuzzies given. Your channel is better because you relate everything you promote to your own reference point - is it a tele, is it like a tele, would I play this instead of a tele, does it make my tele sound better. It’s comes across as much more honest and useful because it’s motivated by your own interest rather than just making money.

[@TommyCrossen]

You made this video right as I was asking myself the same question. Saw a video with Samurai guitarist and Rhett Shull and pretty much every comment was shitting on them both (but mostly Rhett). People are mad because they think Rhett is spreading "misinformation," as if he's a newscaster and not a guitar player who makes videos for the internet.

[@HAMMERHEAD-g3h]

He's one of these people in my opinion who went to music school and ultimately wanted to be a successful musician but found KZbin is an easier way. I do not like his content and I don't watch his videos. He is the absolute epitome of clickbait. One thing I can say about him though, he will intentionally make a video not to inform the public but just to get views. Example, is titles will be why this is the best or why people hate this. First off, who said it was the best and who said anybody hated it? That's just stuff he comes up with so in a sense, yes he is spreading false information.

[@TommyCrossen]

@@HAMMERHEAD-g3h idk about the assessment of his personality or vibe, that's probably just personal preference in who you like to watch or not. But when it comes to what's the best, that's probably just his opinion, which is exactly what he's sharing. And his whole life isn't on the Internet, so maybe in his circles and the discussion he has, he finds that a lot of people hate certain things. It's not false information, just different experiences. I can appreciate if you don't like the click bait stuff though. I gave up and started accepting that type of thing from all creators, because at the end of the day they're all trying to get views 🤷‍♂️

[@HAMMERHEAD-g3h]

@@TommyCrossen I honestly don't think so and I'll tell you why. He goes back and forth too much for no reason. You know what I'm saying? It's like every new guitar he gets a reviews is the greatest and you need to check it out. It's your typical baseline KZbin advertisement. My favorite guitar KZbinr by far is Phil McKnight. He stands above the pack because he does good honest reviews. Doesn't matter who sends the guitar or how much it cost, his review is 100% honest. He even does polls and lets his patreons decide which guitar gets reviewed. He doesn't review things he wants to review. I love that about him.

[@louissanderson719]

His content is aimless and just content for the sake of content

[@HAMMERHEAD-g3h]

@@louissanderson719 you actually said it way better than I did without using as many words. That's exactly what I was trying to say.

[@coresev344]

It’s rad there’s already a post on Reddit guitar circle j3rk about this

[@iliketrains3495]

r/guitarcirclejerk user here so you may disregard this, but for me the KZbin guitar community is very much a mixed bag and the ratio of ones I enjoy is a minority at this point. Examples of channels I like are Rob Scallon, The Art of Guitar, Paul Davids and (possibly controversial) Rudy Ayoub. A few I can't stand are Steve Terreberry (yeesh), Mike Cole and Bradley Hall and there's a few I used to watch but got way too annoying for me, such as Jared Dines, Mary Spender and Music is Win. I agree with most of the points made - I don't mind sponsorships as a whole unless it's something like Raid Shadow Legends of the notoriously scummy BetterHelp, but it gets excessive when so many of them are pedalling the same product (the Jammy guitar was a pretty bad one, as were the Carbon Fibre guitars). The clickbait has also turned me off quite a few channels - he's not by definition a guitar channel but Rick Beato has fallen from grace in my eyes. The 'solution' I often see is "just don't watch them if you don't like it", which I follow but that's not as easy as it sounds - first of all, the 'Don't recommend channel' function is dogshit and usually doesn't work as I still get recommended the same stuff (it took so long for me to stop seeing Stevie T's stupid thumbnails pop up, I think I had to install a plugin). Secondly, since it's like one mutual community where everyone knows everyone, collabs are omnipresent, which is not something I'm going to gatekeep, but as an example: I watch SamuraiGuitarist, but he's got a series of videos out with Rhett Shull who I strongly dislike - I've exiled myself from Sammy's channel for a few weeks as a result. Overall, the market is oversaturated, many channels are very samey (which is partially to blame for KZbin's algorithm shrinking the variety of content) and many will waffle on for ages to meet the 8 minute additional ad quota instead of actually playing guitar. Also the female guitar market is essentially cornered by girls with minimal talent wearing revealing clothing, but that's not something I'm getting into now.