Why is this Boss the Base ID Run Killer?

[@CubeInABox]

Mr. Terrible rolls but somehow wins every clash.

[@coopsbomb4]

For every attempt that gets off the ground there, there's about ten attempts that fail miserably in the first turn. Still, my luck seems to fail me on good attempts right at the finish line

[@aisir3725]

More sanity and he needs to win one to go to max straight up

[@dantelimbus]

Ah, yes... 6-34 Heathcliff? Most certainly one of the bosses of Limbus Company. His ever increasing SP... His seemingly low rolls boosted by ATK Ups... His status effect application through skills and status effects... Two of his skills that have fixed targeting... I've had plenty of runs end after bringing him down to around 200 HP. He'd outspeed everyone and flatten Heathcliff. At least Pigritia is unlocked after this battle, which is quite an invaluable tool.

[@dando541]

I had to spam bind the entire time

[@skell6134]

@@dando541 Well, how convenient that you unlock Pigritia AFTER that XD

[@protoney860]

@@skell6134 I have a theory that this fight and all bossfights after that were made specifically to make us think "Damn, if only he was slightly slower", so that when Pigritia is unlocked player would be like "Hey, i actually struggled with speed so this ain't too bad"

[@monikaisdonewiththeinterne2039]

@@protoney860 i dont think anybody has been needing to fuel fluid sac when the canto 7 most dangerous fights take a bazillion turns enough to get a bunch of resources

[@uGuardian4]

Honestly the only thing I had problems with is the darn bleed shield. That thing was murder.

[@TK-hn1do]

I love 6-34 thematically- it is to date, I think the best Canto Part 2 cliffhanger we've got so far, and one of the best non-Mili song bosses in terms of presentation. And yet this still isn't even his final form.

[@gordonslamsay8074]

I haven't really thought about this boss outside of running through it on my playthrough (with a sinking team) so I honestly had no idea this boss was so rough

[@detectiveeternal7638]

It harder than his final form with a horse lol

[@OzenGame]

He isn't that hard with any good team, but his mecanics makes the fight goes really hard one way or another, while you win the game helps you to win, but the moment you lose the game shift really quickly in the boss' favor. That's why I'm not a fan of limbus sanity mecanic, while in lor, losing gave you negative emotions coins, and thus better abno page to turn the tide of the battle, in limbus battles against sanity opponnent, having a bad team, bad levels or simply bad luck can really quickly put you in a really rough spot

[@YouCanCallMeIz]

@@OzenGame Better is definitely subjective though, to be fair. Negative pages were sometimes just objectively good, but a lot of the time its "Give me your stagger/light/hp/nuggets for a risky effect which might pay off". They were a roll of the die comeback mechanic which depended on you being willing to take on additional hazards to play around. Even then, that's better than Limbus Company, because the "lose more, lose harder" or "win more, win harder" dynamic forces power creep and doesn't allow for fights that naturally swing back and forth in tempo. If the game had a more fleshed out corrosion system (potentially giving ego partial corrodes that give strong effects at certain risks) than maybe it'd be similar, but as of right now you really do just have to win the first three turns to win most fights.

[@OzenGame]

@@YouCanCallMeIz Oh don't get me started on corrosion I am still salty from a md5h run w/ a sinking team which ended up in rr4 w/ king in binds and lv 62 peccatulae

[@riverajustinmarks.]

Yeah this guy is nuta when you let him win one clash. If he wins ones he's basically guaranteed to stagger a sinner.

[@Test-rv8us]

He gets hard countered by chains of others spam if you build a team around it. (Heathcliff, Yi Sang, Hong Lu, and Meursault works very well.) Turn 1/2 just use one sided attacks or defensive skills to build up sin resources and pray that LCB Heathcliff wins his clash against boss Heathcliff to keep the boss’s sanity low. After that you should be able to keep Heathcliff debuffed for the rest of the fight. I was able to beat him on my 3rd try using this strategy. Edit: I tried this strategy again after you point blank rejected my suggestion on stream and won first try

[@uGuardian4]

Profile Picture checks out. Makes sense that the "no running up the stairs" strat works well.

[@OilGremlin6922]

Lore accurate lmao

[@voltrya6844]

Having the guy doing the challenge say "no" to your strategy just to go on and do it first try is awesome dude, props to you

[@bugfriendz]

did you know? matt has a hidden passive that gives him double damage, on top of his pre-existing antagonism passive. the moment you lose a clash, you might as well say goodbye to ryoshu or outis, they are fucking DEAD

[@LTDLetsPlays]

It’s not hidden though unless you mean you have to unlock it

[@Puffman728]

Its not double damage, its 50% more. Its also pierce damage, thus affected by resistances. Upheaval still hurts a ton though

[@bugfriendz]

@@Puffman728 that's 6-33

[@Bruhgaming-bz2si]

Do people unironically forget about how awful 6-34 is? The fact that his perfect identity form is weaker than his version with some random spiked bat is absurd. Edit: Seems like people also complain about Canto 7 final battle. First of all, it's a chain battle for a reason. Even if you get obliterated, they even added a feature to give last remaining units a skill slots. So even if it really wasn't intended to be solo(somehow), it's still kinda encouraged by the game mechanics Second of all, start strategizing. This fight wasn't really hard with base ids, unless you intentionally use ids like Ndion outside of N Corp. or UT3 Wsault or even just underlvled ids. "But my X sinner doesn't have any lvled ids/good ids". You're bad at managing resources and like 85% base ids are still usable without much problem.

[@Bruhgaming-bz2si]

Nevertheless, after you actually beat it(God good luck getting through that RNGfest, my god. It took me so many attempts), it will feel so damn satisfying to see that Cutscene of Heathcliff doing his ego

[@peavuh]

for me this fight was somehow easier than Dead Rabbits Boss

[@kippy0]

Ngl skill issue, i only had problem in canto 7, that fricking umbrella

[@wackymulter]

​@@kippy0never had problems with it, but damn windmill

[@kippy0]

@wackymulter final boss is so easy, just shi don quixote solo bruh

[@Alma-n6t]

oh my god i feel so validated. i tried to beat this boss for 3 hours straight with an underlevelled BL team and i was wondering why the hell was it so hard when everything that came before was relatively easy

[@monikaisdonewiththeinterne2039]

Ah yes Blade Lineage heathcliff

[@Puffman728]

BL teams are a big investment since a bunch of them require UT4 to be usable (namely Yi Sang and Sinclair) and BL Outis is just straight up worse than base Outis. Also pride is the one sin affinity he's normal to instead of weak, so its not at any particular advantage.

[@monikaisdonewiththeinterne2039]

@@Puffman728 ut 3 yi sang is usable. Besides, Outis is fell bullet fodder so meur can proc the BL death passive

[@Puffman728]

@@monikaisdonewiththeinterne2039 Fair enough. So who would you not bring considering you need to use Heathcliff?

[@monikaisdonewiththeinterne2039]

@@Puffman728 Sinclair or Don maybe, depends on what it seems i need the most

[@CyberVonCyberus]

That healthcliff and the fight before when he was disguised as the Dead Rabbits Boss without any of his other mechanics is somehow way stronger than the later fights.

[@lusss1758]

After that many solos of him came out, i would've crashed out like this, too

[@Silancet]

if you want to see someone clearing this boss and…funnily enough all of limbus’s content using base id and ego, Watch Demoonicwolf

[@LTDLetsPlays]

Starowl(TETH) also done it he even done RR4 against Envy peccatula

[@goinforaschwim2119]

Holy your audio quality went way up. sounds much better well done!

[@coopsbomb4]

Thanks!

[@byyuwryy7905]

Should've brought hong lu for like 3 sinking a century.

[@abulletant1147]

Ion think hong is allowed, nor is mersault other than ryo, Ishmael, and Sinclair

[@Eternal_Solstice]

@@abulletant1147 why would they not be allowed? this is a base id run. hong lu and meursault are base id

[@abulletant1147]

@@Eternal_Solstice I thought that hong wouldn't be able to help out.

[@demikuna]

who knew an base id would be the death of base id runs

[@SheruMuko]

2:30 This is when the video really starts.

[@mavolent6332]

i like how chains of others cripples this guy's legs. then sinking fully trivializes this fight

[@Youhadabadday2021]

Honestly, all the mid bosses tend to be rough. Trust me, I know. I got stuck for ages on Dongbaek and Ricardo.

[@dragovsartcorner8618]

I feel thes last 3 cantos have had mid bosses that are more of a problem than the final bosses Canto V: Ricardo and Pequod Trio Canto VI: Heathcliff? Canto VII: The Bloodfiend Trio/the entire carmilla swarm

[@azalakhir918]

@@dragovsartcorner8618 I understand Canto 5 and maybe 6 but i genuinely cant believe you had more problems with anything in Canto 7 more than Final boss. Not beacuse he is hard but beacuse you simply have unlimited resources in these fights. You have to actively sabotage yourself by completely forgoing half of the game to make the battles hard

[@chonkplatinum69]

This fight took me like a week or two to beat. But then I realized that actually levelling up your unit affects the clashes. I have been going like 10 levels under levelled before this in EVERY FIGHT (from canto III). Even after levelling up is was tough but i managed.

[@Жужъ-ъ5е]

This boss and seeing him AGAIN after this hellish fight low-key drained my enjoyment out of Canto

[@monchete9934]

The worst shield isn't even the wrath, the gloom one also reduces your SP by 3 every time you hit him, making your own rolls less consistent and making you have to get to the SP race again

[@Another-Distortion]

Also my Base ID (but not EGO) Run just died against Matthew I feel like playing Ruina and just getting Minrolled everytime. Is not a bad fight for Base, but filled with a lot of RNG Bullcrap. The bes i got was around the last bits of HP like 500 or so when he just counters every turn. By that point You don't have enough HP to tank the hits even the Bleed proc on that is just absolute crap. It's doable but is going to be tight as hell because of the counter and bleed stacks nesr the end

[@ThomasOwOD]

This boss made me use a support ID, only had base heathcliff, got max level erlking as support, then I realised that support isn’t actually stupid and op, but is infact a cool mechanic

[@redeyesdarknessmetalsonic]

the hall of the mountain king intro... peak

[@Johnheartbreaking]

This boss had me plan a strategy after weeks, where two slots are removed so ncorp heathcliff could clash more and ncorp meursault could apply debuffs more often with his skill 2 I loved it, reminds me of the times when i got stuck with xiao or redmist in library of ruina, although those did not take as much time because i had a lot more options.

[@LimbillionBrainrot]

Both pre final fight erklings are actually a pain in the ass sometimes

[@monikaisdonewiththeinterne2039]

Its funny how the final erlking is easier because Catherine is constantly interrupting but she is easier which means its essentially a break Quite in character

[@amanwithnoname4657]

Doing this when my only blunt resistant heathcliff was base... youre bringing up some memories

[@Bunny_Crystal]

6-34 Heathcliff digging everyone's graves 24/7

[@yokuutsu9097]

After all, he's called erlking peakcliff for a reason.

[@qreb1064]

I spent over a 200 enkephalin on him in a single day(a.k.a 200 restarts) I wasn't happy that day.

[@CrowsSerenade]

Somehow, someway, Canto 6 is the only thing i haven't claimed the free 130 lunacy for 'perfecting' stages on. Not because i'm lazy (but also i am) but how dare you make me experience this shit again.

[@randomperson2281]

i can't wait for you to reach canto 7

[@monikaisdonewiththeinterne2039]

Literally impossible with base egos only

[@solairefan5420]

When the chain are of others

[@detectiveeternal7638]

I first turn this fight and wonder why he is so easy and realize i run sinking lol

[@da0099]

truly the perfect ID

[@PoorCatte]

45lvl ID's Heathcliff(1) - Faust(2) - Yi-Sang(3) Yi Sang is fast enough to outspeed Heathcliff(?) - Sub-Clasher with his end-stop stab and enjab. (Objective: Don't let Heathcliff tank all damage) (SubObjective: lower Heathcliff(?) sanity (At Phase-2 heathcliff(?) falls into depression) (Tip: Try to risk less, clash with Deflect if Yi-Sang sanity on 45, either way - use block to redirect attacks from Heathcliff) Heathcliff have a good Clash numbers (+buffs himself with Smackdown) - Main Clasher. (Objective: Do not die) (Tip: Rely on sanity buff more at first phase. You can let yourself get staggered once (If Yi Sang used EGO or/and heathcliff debuffed Heathcliff(?) with 2 bind.) Faust have big health pool and her moveset gives tonn of debuffs - Support/Tank (Objective: Debuff Heathcliff(?) using Upward slash and Drilling Stab. It's negates Heathcliff(?) offensive-level buff. Her clashes not bad.) (Subobjective: If Yi-Sang or Heathcliff staggered - Tank damage (Mainly - Bat bashes) use evade if you can't win clash (So no sanity for heathcliff(?)) It's not really hard. All what you need some luck and calculations. (Im did it right now) At best scenario Heathcliff(?) would have 6APD And usually would have atleast 2APD. Also you can switch Faust with Hong Lu = More Sanity drain and faster refill for Yi-Sang EGO (But Faust Ego can heal SP to whole party what's really good, tho 50/50)

[@jk-2053]

Yeah, this was a tough one. I couldn't manage it myself, so I copied Cherry Nomad's plan. These tips are based off my experience doing that. Sanity: Yeah, he gains 5-15 SP no matter what you do, so you'll eventually face him with 45 SP. The best you can do is raise your own SP with Honglu passive, clash wins, and Faust's EGO (I reset if I failed to trigger it by turn 2-4). You can't keep his SP low for long, but if you get your SP high, then you can still beat his clashes with skills that have a higher power cap. If you can't beat the boss's Smackdown, best to defend to avoid giving him +1 power which makes it harder to win clashes next turn. Speed: Yes, you'll likely be forced to let Heath tank a few hits. Obviously, tanking a few Bat Bashes is no big deal since he resists it, but you'll especially want Heath to avoid being hit during Explosive phases. You can apply 2 bind by having Heath win a clash against him. If Heath gets hit within the first 2 turns of the Explosive phases, your run might end. Phases: Idk, after having a good start, most of the phases seemed rather doable for me. Just don't let him hit Heath. I did have a good run that ran just shy of winning (under 200 HP), so be ready for hell at the very end. Sinners: Have you considered our lord and savior Faust? Her EGO gives FOUR units 10 (or 12) SP! She may also apply paralyze (for faster Sinners who defend/dodge) and -2 power next turn! Honglu and Ish are good for clashing, and Don for EGO resources. If you want to follow Cherry's plan, then add Ryoshu too for EGO resources. Meursalt's EGO is too costly alongside Faust and Heath's.

[@lahnhedberg3403]

I recently came back to limbus, I do this fight and I got a total of 7 head coins. By 6 units, each who had 3 coins in their attack. 3 Of those coins were nclair.

[@icewalker1185]

Ah yes, I remember fighting this guy. For 8 hours straight, it was 5AM when I finally defeated him, but I lost myself in the process. The horror, the trauma, his sp bar filling at 45 instantly just after sinking the shit out of him, heathcliff who magically fail all his coins at 30sp against the target fixed big damage skills. All the strategy I elaborated to take him down: Using T don and tremor chain to make him more clashable : fail. Spamming sinking with spice bush yi sang and WH outis : fail. Using the cinq assoc and their speed to make sure everyone can tank an attack for heathcliff : fail. Farming quick ego spam : humongus fail. I remember, when my sinners managed to fail 15 coins in a row at 0 sp, how many run I have aborted on the first turn, while my sanity was obviously decreasing from the lack of sleep and the increasing of alcohol in my veins. My screech and sob of pure madness and frenziness when I finally defeated him, it felt like an eternity, but instead of relief I just felt abyssal sorrow. Did erlkliff used sinking on me ? I would never know, but one thing is sure : I will never forget anything of those 8 hours of hell... And you fucker expected to win a base id run against him ? You’d better play lottery, your probs would be higher

[@OzenGame]

Meanwhile the barber in canto VII :) lcb sinners and a lot of old ids would really need a buff to at least be able to keep up with the story For 6-34, I think I took only like 3 sinners to maximise sp gain. Also, remember that you can keep the peakcliff's sp low by preventing Heathcliff from being hit, and winning 1 clash a turn w/ heath (winning the clash w/ heath also gives Peakcliff bind next turn). Also, despite being weak to blunt, Hong lu actually is a good pick due to his really high clashing values for an lcb, his atk power down on s3, and his sinking infliction which can slow peakcliff sp gain or even in some cases revert it a bit, giving you more margin of error. Ish meanwhile can really help thanks to her high speed, compulsion and 20 rolling s3 + blunt fragility.

[@MasterMineZ82]

Yeah no, I've did this fight Base IDs only AND EXing the stage. I literally needed Wingbeat cheese so I wasn't fully doing Base IDs and Base EGOs, but felt having to EX every stage I could was a fair compromise to allowing more than Base EGO. It sucks. Alot.

[@solo_va5492]

i was stuck with an underleveled base heath (never got lucky to get any good ids for him) and my god this was infinitely more painful than the ricardo fight the only way i won was by running a sinking team to stop him from getting 45 sp on the first turn and it was way easier from there if he gets 45 sp before you can build yours up... you lose

[@78supergood]

After the the first few defeats I can mentally picture your sanity decreasing

[@ilijavirijevic3876]

My recommendation for a team would be Heath, Ishmael and Yisang, as long as a 3man team is capable of surviving to 6 skill slots. Ishmael and Yisang have good speed ranges to redirect scary attacks from Heath often, and Yi Sang has sloth for Hong Lu's support passive to keep the SP values high, as well as quicker access to gloom for Gregor's supp passive for healing. Can't say I've tried this fight with base sinners, but that's my best suggestion for a team comp from my past experiences with it and other base sinner fights.

[@DimlyLitDragon]

hong lu's support passive needs sloth lol.

[@ilijavirijevic3876]

@DimlyLitDragon oh, yeah, that's what I wanted to write down lol. Complete brainfart on my part

[@TheReverberationEnsemble]

i passed whole limbuh till that moment with base ids butttttt this boss got me 😭

[@fiercescap]

Base yi sang and hong lu could help yi sang would have to spam base ego but he would give 3 haste and attack power down and hong lu helps generate sloth plus he rolls well at ut4 for a base id plus they both have sinking

[@patapon3rules]

This is the only fight I think is 100% fine to just turn into chain battles.

[@Isaac-fm2ly]

Although a dead slot clashing wise base faust can help with sp heal and debuffing if i remember correctly i use her when i did this fight with base ids

[@patapon3rules]

Honestly, this set up already sets you up to the RAW rng of the SP system. Personally I'd recommend [1.2] Hong Lu, Yi-sang, Ishmael, Faust and Heathcliff They all feed each other extremely well with impactful EGOs to maximize control of your engagement Bodysack (Yi-sang, Ishmael, Heathcliff) - To just win a clash Crow's Eye View (Hong Lu, Ishmael, Heathcliff) - To maintain a permanent -2 ATK Debuff Snagharpoon (Yi-sang, Ishmael, Heathcliff) - To put binds as well as have a solid passive + roll Representation Emitter (Hong Lu, Ishmael, Faust) - Mandatory SP regen Don't rely on Bodysack and Land of Illusion. Furthermore, you can reserve Hong Lu's S3 to apply a -2 ATK and even work with Faust's S3 to apply another -2 last turn. Hong Lu is your main damage dealer here. Ishmael is a safe person to take some hits. I'll try to do it again to verify PS: Early turns you should absolutely hit 2 resonance to slowly build up hong lu's SP from his field passive. This is the "safe" way to do it rather than the RNG 15 turn clear way Offset is your friend

[@patapon3rules]

After throwing the above team at it. I still love it for being the only one to consistently get to phase 3 for me (heavy bias, I know). I don't like any other team because, unlike dungeon conditions, you don't have a safety net of sin resources to rely upon that can safely let you spam every turn. This is particularly evident with Meursault strats (him needing 3 different resource types. Gloom overwhelming put on S1 or too slow to matter S3) Tips: You always want to throw either a Snagharpoon or a Crow's Eyes whenever heathcliff is staggered. this mitigates him just rolling 5/6 speed next turn During gloom shield, throw a single Yi-sang S2 at it to throw 1 count at it. Due to mechanics, any new application of sinking stays for those 3 turns making Base IDs able to -45 this boss ONCE. You ideally want to avoid actually hitting it tho and keeping low. This way, the rest of the fight he just stays at roughly -30 sanity. Faust isn't expected to have SP. She gives SP to the other 3. Heathcliff can remain negative sanity simply because he gains 3 power up from it.

[@dantelimbus]

The power of stacking ATK Downs and controlling the flow of the fight. I think I ran a similar team on the attempt I beat him. It's been a strategy that I've been employing for a agile now, can be seen on the boss clears I've done. This makes me realize that newer Identities don't have utility in the form of, for example, ATK Down and the such, showing a shift in design philosophy. When was the last time we got an identity with ATK Down/Paralyze and the like on their kit?.. I can't quite recall. I'd like them to return one day.

[@patapon3rules]

@@dantelimbus Honestly, I personally think it doesn't need to happen because of the 10 available power down that a base ID + EGO team can apply. 6 of that is constrained within the Zayin EGOs. This means any configuration always has access to 2 immediate power down and 4 if they applied some forethought for 6 total. Sorta just bullies certain bosses. There are "technically" modern IDs that do apply paralyze, but I think PM realized pretty quick that atk power down, paralyze and coin drop were exceptionally strong effects Making use of this power down is why Canto Dungeons tend to be easy, the only stand out times to me where you don't apply this strategy is Dulcinea, 6-48 erlking and Ricardo. SO thankfully, it isn't an all in one solution (mostly being a 80% of bosses solution) since what Base IDs struggle against are anything that ain't a straight solo fight.

[@dantelimbus]

@@patapon3rules I think the effects themselves aren't the problem but rather the application not being limited and the way Limbus Company combat works. In Limbus Company, bosses don't have a lot of ways to deal with status effects. The only times I can remember are Line 2: Möbius bosses having a cap on the status effects that can be inflicted, which differed from boss to boss. I think going forward we will see such passives become common (Canto VII Dungeon's final boss' first phase has such a passive. Afterwards, he halves the status effects on him when gaining new patterns in his second phase.). We even have them on the recent Rupture identities now, for example. While adding more variations to the existing Status Effects are good (only Tremor and Burn has had such additions thus far), the bosses will hopefully also be designed in a way to deal with them. I don't want the bosses to completely shutdown status teams but have some sort of defense against them. And hopefully, effects like ATK Down, Paralyze (I don't really think Paralyze has an issue because bosses in general have a lot of coins on their skills and the stacks are spent during clashes) Coin Power Down and the like make a return. I obviously don't want to see 10 Coin Power Down, ATK Down or 100 Paralyze on the boss which shuts them down completely but more out of the box playstyles in addition to established status teams is welcome.

[@patapon3rules]

@@dantelimbus Status application is generally limited by phase transitions. I trust PM will eventually toss in rupture/bleed protection, also never use burn on STNOWC. I don't think there's a significant problem with statuses atm other than "we just need more people in the roster for this status" since most "solutions" to certain statuses are experimented in MDs. Sinking, Tremor and Bleed are the most developed atm. On paralyze and coin drop, while I'd like to see them release more. Paralyze's main problem is just that it's a same turn application on Hit, Coin drop is great, though I think they've become aware how good it is cuz NHeath can literally neuter single part bosses. Honestly, I don't see much stock in expecting more out of the box plays from statuses themselves when the fact that chain battles exist. I just love executing my own sinners and they could potentially add something that requires a certain sequence of sinners dying.

[@sssaaaiiikkkuuu]

Sisyphean Task.

[@PotCatCatto]

should've been using the greatest and most valorous fixer Don Quixote smh /j also hong lu has decent rolls and inflicts sinking

[@neferkar112]

Being completely honest, aside for DQ which i only managed to beat through solo cheese, dons canto has NOTHING on hc's It was a breeze, meanwhile in c6 i struggled at nearly every heathcliff fight and only managed to beat it through sheer luck, through it was pre nerfs And the hardest one in my opinion was this first hc fight. I just kept getting whooped and the only way i got through was assembling the avengers of bullshit meta (rcliff rish nclair so on) and bursting him down in like 3 turns without even clashing

[@senpizza]

I've been trying the same challenge and after 12h on this guy i decided to take a long break cause i felt like i was going insane after u get to the final phase and he just begins to throw clashes only winnable by egos and i just can't have enough resources

[@coopsbomb4]

@@senpizza what team were you using? I’ve gotten fairly good at his mechanics I’d like to think so I’ve got some tips to help if you’d like any

[@senpizza]

@@coopsbomb4 Heath, Ryoshu, Yi Sang, Ishmael, Don, Faust/Hong Lu Ryoshu, Ish and Hong can clash well. Attempted Faust cause she had the attack down debuffs and an ego to raise sanity. But if i used it i wouldn't have resources later Don has advantage for affinities and somehow can clash good if her sanity doesn't get ruined early, and her speed can be good for redirects. She also fuels bodysack. Hong Lu and Yi sang cause their clashes aren't abyssmal and somehow, the sinking can save the early parts. Running Sinclair, Rodya or Outis is out of the chart. Sinclair and Outis will die in a single hit. Rodya has poor clashes. Same for gregor, but i feel like his base passive can somehow help for this type of content so he's better off sub. Meursault can't ever clash due to speed, his ego would save it but good luck getting the resources, or redirecting anything when he can't reach the speed necessary, Yi Sang's ego does that job moderately well while also allowing easier clashes and redirects. I see someone on the replies saying to use him and built a comp for it but i'd like to see it with my own eyes. My problem is when i reach the last phase, i have ran out of resources to use body sack, he will use TIME TO REPENT like there's no tomorrow, and it's impossible to have enough resources for it cause i have to use it for phase 2 which is more of the same I'm considering removing hong/faust and run Don 2 slots cause even if she'll die in a single lost clash, she can ego spam well and if her sanity is high from the early clashes she'll survive

[@coopsbomb4]

@@senpizza the team I ended up using was Hong Lu x2, Heathcliff x2 and then Yi Sang and Faust. You can continually proc Entertainment to get Hong Lu’s SP up in the early stages of the fight, and the team perfectly produces the resources to get Yi Sang’s Crow’s Eye View going. Not only that but Yi Sang’s S3 gives a single count of Sinking which in Phase 2 allows you to get Batcliff into the negatives if you apply it early. The video for Canto VI as a whole is probably only a week away or so now, I go over the team composition far more in depth there. Or if you’d like you could join the Discord and I’m sure there’s people there that’d be happy to help with attempts to make a team that doesn’t perfectly line up to the one I used

[@reesewhittington6778]

Yi Sang and Hong Lu do Sinking

[@YanYanicantbelievethistakenffs]

Well. a few options might be avialable. Don has a decent enough clashing on only 1 coin to aliveate a bit the offense level issue, and single coins are a bit less destructive on low sanity fights + she has a somewhat bad but useful evade and i think you guel her base ego quite fast so you have that for emergencies. tho the biggest problem is blunt weakness but he deals rupture anyways so its not easy to tank Another option that might be worth considering its base hong lu, solid base id a bit of sinking to reduce that 15 sp can prove to be rather usefull. Alternatively if this boss is skipped it would be pretty acurate to not use Heat anymore since he "Won" and got Heatcliff Anyways good luck!

[@vazinaypeter]

i struggled on this fight for 2 weeks normally

[@uneditedcontent4864]

bro just use base hong lu I'm being serious he has sinking on his skill 1 and might have it on his other skills at uptie 4 he can proc sinking and help your team a bunch

[@Tribok_x]

I made a modded encounter thats unsoloable and MAYBE duable with base ids

[@E-nternet]

Skill issue Should been rolling all coins

[@PlanetaryPhoenix]

All this talk about which fights are hard and no one’s even here talking about Distorted Heathcliff himself who outright murders my best teams 2/3 times and i can never hit the first check halfway in… but i guess that’s just me

[@TheUglyDuckling997]

How wou,d dulcinea be possible with base ids i wonder

[@SF3L]

Even if he does get past her somehow, I’m curious how he’s gonna do the dungeon since you are required to use Don in the final fight but it completely prevents you from using base Don

[@shizik3909]

@@SF3L Wdym, you can use base Don just fine. You can't use her base EGO.

[@DimlyLitDragon]

No LCB faust... dude, she is SO MUCH MORE HELPFUL than she seems. First of all, the abundant Pride and Gluttony means she can use rep emitter pretty much whenever necessary. Second, her debuffs are *vital* to lcb in fights like these. And honestly? ishmael needs to go 😭she's okay but ehhh This fight is rough but i got through it fairly easily, frankly. Was more concerned about other fights at the time, even if i knew this one wouldn't exactly be easy.

[@doge_fish4820]

Would you be able to build a chains of binding spam team? I don't remember sins

[@coopsbomb4]

There’s not enough time in the fight to build up resources for that, and Meursault is essentially just a major liability

[@aisir3725]

Im afraid 6-48 will be the same

[@gigablast4129]

tbh had more issues with the second fight

[@MikolajW-ct9eq]

do you need base EGO or don't need it

[@cereal8193]

limbus..... is le pay to win?? 😢😢

[@Sinner8Ishmael]

ok

[@thomasedgar8612]

there is a very important detail you missed about the SP loss and gain of the boss, he looses 10 sanity if he looses a clash against heathcliff and then another 5 sp at the end of the turn if he fails to deal damage to heathcliff. so, he remains at 15 sp next turn if he fails to win a clash against and fails to hit heathcliff.

[@VRbeatsaber]

Love the late uploads keep it up 😊😊😊

[@l.u.n.a.t.i.c]

Skill issue.

[@Sayurawesome11]

the intro is too long

[@sealoverlord5120]

The answer is good rupture and a lot of coins, unironically, if you were to give talisman to this guy he would fucking POP OFF

[@KhyberTheory]

L+Ratio+Get better at limbussing (real)

[@manulische]

"Sinner Never Give ups." 🗣️

[@KhyberTheory]

@@manulische so true…..

[@soupe5881]

Ah yes, I remember fighting this guy. For 8 hours straight, it was 5AM when I finally defeated him, but I lost myself in the process. The horror, the trauma, his sp bar filling at 45 instantly just after sinking the shit out of him, heathcliff who magically fail all his coins at 30sp against the target fixed big damage skills. All the strategy I elaborated to take him down: Using T don and tremor chain to making him more clashable : fail. Spamming sinking with spice bush yi sang and WH outis : fail. Using the cinq assoc and their speed to make sure everyone can tank an attack for heathcliff : fail. Farming quick ego spam : humongus fail. I remember, when my sinners managed to fail 15 coins in a row at 0 sp, how many run I have aborted on the first turn, while my sanity was obviously decreasing from the lack of sleep and the increasing of alcohol in my veins. My screech and sob of pure madness and frenziness when I finally defeated him, it felt like an eternity, but instead of relief I just felt abyssal sorrow. Did erlkliff used sinking on me ? I would never know, but one thing is sure : I will never forget anything of those 8 hours of hell... And you fucker expected to win a base id run against him ? You’d better play lottery, your probs would be higher

[@icewalker1185]

impasta