Why is Vivziepop's Artstyle Hated So Much?

Recently there’s been a surge in discussion surrounding vivziepop and her artstyle. There were some videos discussing this topic but they were made 4-5 years ago. I’ve made many videos discussing vivzie’s shows from the oldest to her newest, but one aspect i haven’t touched on is her art style. So i think now is a good time to discuss this topic in a positive manner and enable some discussion on the subject. In this video i’ll analyze vivzie’s artstyle, highlight some criticisms, and then give some potential ideas on how they can be resolved.
#vivziepop #helluvaboss #hazbinhotel
Video Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:58 Vivzie's style
03:37 Colour Palettes
05:17 Character Design
08:00 Anatomy, Complexity and Backgrounds
09:51 My thoughts
11:22 End Screen
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[@honeymuffinz2390]

Her artstyle is one of my biggest inspirations. I hate seeing people hate on it, it’s so unique and expressive!

[@Helluva1queem.]

Fr! I love her art style she inspired me to draw

[@EmmettDoyleDDR435]

@@Helluva1queem. Same

[@manaminori7633]

While it is nice that it has struck a chord with you to inspire you to such a degree, bear in mind that others are entitled to their opinions The like or dislike of her art style, for various reasons. I personally don’t have an opinion one way or another on her style. It’s okay.

[@UrHairIsGood2Eat]

For real man her art style helped me learn to draw figures, eye lashes ,hands , humans , and female legs

[@honeymuffinz2390]

@@manaminori7633 yes I do understand that people have other opinions and I respect that. Though, I do feel it’s a bit unfair in some cases since some people who do criticize her artstyle are either over exaggerating their hatred or just don’t like her so they call her art style bad for no other good reason. Again, I do understand if people genuinely have an issue with the artstyle.

[@Javakatt]

I think the complaint about characters being too skinny is dumb, MANY other shows have fully thin casts and no one bats an eye. Ppl just want reasons to hate on Viv, it’s sad. I love her character designs, they’re so fun and expressive!

[@crowdlycrow3632]

That's true, I know Viv isn't the best but who doesn't make a mistake. We just need to move and improve.

[@LizBizEEEE]

9:04

[@Javakatt]

@@LizBizEEEE ?

[@Mr.Monacle]

Like, I love Vivzie's art as much as anyone, but just because it's a criticism that can be applied more broadly, doesn't make it unfair or inaccurate when applied to her.

[@Javakatt]

@@Mr.Monacle True, it’s just that the people posting these criticisms are often incredibly rude about it, to the point where I’m not sure they even care about the supposed issue as much as just bashing anything Vivziepop posts. It’s hard to find good constructive criticism for Hazbin or Helluva.

[@corvusmonedula]

My only problem with her style is that it's difficult to pick out one character in a crowd of people. If their thin arms, legs or other appendages overlap it's kinda hard to see to which body it belongs

[@Stickamajig]

From what I've seen she usually makes them stand out by thier posture and outstanding shapes.

[@ScreamTelehead]

@@Stickamajigeven still, as an artist myself, it’s hard to pick thin shapes out of other thin shapes. I think adding a variety of shapes to a crowd makes things a lot easier to follow but I’m not going to hate on her who she decides to make her main cast. What’s important is silhouette, and each character certainly has a different silhouette than each other when all parts are added.

[@Stickamajig]

@clown_hound_creations8040 Oh yeah I get what you're saying!

[@Manganization]

I dunno. I can recognise all of the important characters just fine. When a series gets popular and it's associated with crude stuff its artstyle tends to always be criticised after the fact. Sonic is criticised often for this and I don't even think it's because of the artstyle. It's because it's associated with its fanbase and fanfiction and suddenly the artstyle is "bad".

[@christiandidonna8808]

yup @@Manganization

[@cherry.poison.]

This is literally her PERSONAL artstyle, she's not some commercial company to make it appealing to just everyone or as diverse as possible, EVERYONE SHOULD LEAVE HER ALONE.

[@Aka_MelissaS]

She is making money off of it, so it is literally comercial. Like in the definition. I get what you mean but also she depends on customers (her patreon, ppl who buy her merch) to make her products...

[@MahoHaku]

To be honest, I rewatched Villanos and realized her art style and even stories seem more derivative than her own. Villanos is a group of bad guys who are contracted to end their customer's enemies. Like IMP. And their clients are evil, justlike IMP's and even the animation style, humor, character design and color pallets feel very very heavily taken from Villanos which came first.

[@cherry.poison.]

@@MahoHaku idk man i think the concept itself is megabasic Theres supervillians and theres demons in hell, why wont they do the same. Just coincidence i think. Bc i believe i would came up w/ this concept myself if i had to

[@cherry.poison.]

@@MahoHaku oh and about humor and artstyle is def coincidence bc she never changed her artstyle since like middle school or smth and the humor was similar in zoophobia (but way sfw) which started in 2012 or smth

[@lumityviktuuristanartist4100]

​​@@MahoHaku Dr flug reminds of moxxie in a way , and miss head reminds of verosika with more self esteem But Viv had this artstyle was before the show villanous came out so I think it's a coincidence

[@RequiemForRavenholm]

most of it is just "oh she doesnt draw fat people!! fatphobic!!!" or "eww it reeks of tumblr"

[@Asm0d3u5]

"Tumblr" style is adorable, people need to hush sometimes

[@klltx2001]

The first one isn't even true either considering there's... a fair amount of fat /thickset characters in her main shows too! Yes they're bg or minor characters but that doesn't remove the fact that they're fucking there. :U

[@House_of_Killjoys]

​@@klltx2001no actually, that kinda makes it worse. If it was a lack of ability, some people would be more empathetic. However, she has shown that she has the ability but doesn't use that ability to draw fat/plus sized characters as main characters. Putting marginalised people in as background characters has been a thing for way too long as an excuse. In no way do i think that vivsiepop is doing this deliberately but i can understand why people would find this disappointing. In short, she can do this but doesn't, it's not done maliciously but fat/plus sized people are tired of being pushed to background rolls. (I say this as a fan of hers actually)

[@livelybubbs6242]

Bro, you did NOT just misspell ‘roles’ as ‘rolls’ when talking about fat character designs XD

[@PIB2000]

​@@House_of_KilljoysI always thought this was her taking some inspiration from Tim Burton and Jhonen Vasquez, considering the clear inspiration in other aspects of her designs.

[@katiebonser9712]

I don't like people hating Vivzie's art style and I'm not among those people who hate her art, I love it and it's unique.

[@shivertheiguana]

I am all for criticism when it can be actually useful but I can not fathom why everyone goes after the art style thats THEIR style. I can’t on gods green earth fathom why some people just can’t agree not to like something and leave it at that

[@estebangutierrez160]

I literally don't pay attention to the characters design too much, I just look and like. If a character is over detailed then I don't really comment on something like that.

[@aceofspadesssss]

I agree people being needlessly rude is stupid, however that’s not always the case. People are within their right to critique this show and it’s character designs cuz they aren’t as great as everyone says they are, though that’s just my opinion.

[@SassyNymphet]

@@shivertheiguanayea, and the anatomy argument isnt fair, clearly her artsyle is to defy normal anatomy and im sure thats her intention

[@Zombina638]

So…?

[@NerdMiGerd]

I think the big thing about her artstyle is how overcomplicated and all around animator-unfriendly it is, it's an incredibly valid critique of her work but people take it way too far and project those hangups onto herself and the staff in a very unhealthy manner. It's like with every other aspect of her work worth critiquing, by turning them into personal attacks on the creator all you're doing is guaranteeing she won't be able to take criticism to heart, regardless of its legitimacy, and because of that will never learn or grow from them and that genuinely sucks.

[@halinaqi2194]

Yup, I remember watching a video about why avatar the last air bender designers were a lot more animation friendly than the legend of korras, and its due to too much detail that really isn't necessary. And you could see how they simplified korras design from later seasons compared to the first season to help make animation easier. In helluva boss and hazbin, there are a lot of characters with multiple arms, eyes and have tails and wings, these all add up to make animation harder and take longer. Which is why they simplified husker a little bit in hazbin, but still a lot of these characters just have too much detail. Like sir pentious looks like he has hand drawn stripes on his suit, same with alastor. Some characters have intricate line work with their clothes, I mean some of it is fine but there's a lot. If the animation team is fine with it, its okay, but I think episodes probably couldve released a little faster if the character designs were simplified a bit more.

[@NerdMiGerd]

@@halinaqi2194 Yeah and a lot of them are just bells and whistles that I feel often detracts from the characters' readability, and often has such little importance to what the characters are or represent.

[@purrpletiger2159]

Anime has overcomplicated designs all the time and nobody bats an eye, full high quality animation is still done that way, it just takes more time and effort to do. I'm glad you're worrying about the animators but they know full well what they're doing in their job, it's not like they signed up to animate something oversimplified... but I feel like timing just doesnt matter. getting the show out quicker doesnt matter, that literally only matters to fans. achieving the vision is what matters to the people working on the show, they know they're working and making progress and will be done eventually. As someone who animates as a hobby it's so annoying to see people so worried about things getting done quickly and cheaply, beautiful art is worth the wait dangit!

[@NerdMiGerd]

@@purrpletiger2159 Yeah like I said it’s barely a nitpick, and I can totally see people still vibing with the designs (I for one really love the designs for Hazbin Hotel). And, again, saying “ohhh these poor animators bohohohoooo!” is not productive to me. I can say that I think it may be a problematic approach depending on how much the work vs compensation is for your workers (which anime is *notoriously* awful with), but if you make it work as well as I think Spindlehorse has so far then I just don’t see any constructive value in that critique. Make that art if it makes your creative group that bag. Tired of using critique as a means of punching down like many have towards Viv.

[@purrpletiger2159]

@@NerdMiGerd Yeah I hear ya, especially that comment about anime. It sucks to see how fundamentally flawed the industry is in pushing animators to overwork while underpaid, animation is like that in a lot of places, but there's always been a lot of animator horror stories coming out of japan.

[@voldor2207]

The Artstyle is litteraly one of the reason I'm watching Vivzie's series. It's so much different to what we used to see.. like animes, cartoons whatever. It's unique and that's why I love it

[@thekoi171]

exactly! its so goddamn unique

[@princessarnasan3725]

Fr

[@q_cola_roja_p]

Personally, I think people are just hating to just to hate.

[@Choroalp]

Damn Sherlock

[@Brunette_2005]

It distracts them from the ugly fact that their lifes are looking like sh*t atm and it's their fault

[@HeavyhandedDame]

Haters gonna hate

[@Choroalp]

@@Brunette_2005Speak Fax Brother! Spit Your shit indeed!

[@Indie973]

@@Choroalpbut winners gonna win like viv

[@bardiir]

The red in red color palette of hazbin is one of the things that absolutely draws me into the feeling of hell. Everything is lit up by brimstone anyway there, why have a diverse color palette. I think the critics are mostly envious about the unique art style. I stumbled upon hazbin without knowing it’s from vivziepop and instantly was reminded of the Kesha mv from years back I’ve seen like 2-3 times on KZbin back years ago. And after a few seconds of googling I had the connection established that it’s indeed the same artists creation, the art style is just THAT unique and strong.

[@helenanilsson5666]

Agreed, it would look super weird if all the backgrounds were Hell-red and the characters... weren't. If it had been live action it would have been a much bigger issue, but since it's animation there are subtle tricks that can make the characters pop more. Even just small saturation changes between backgrounds and characters goes a long way for example.

[@spoopyghost3333]

As an animator, I can very much understand disliking the designs of the characters. Some just have so many little details, and it can be exhausting to add them to every frame 😅 But! To other animators, it can be seen as a great challenge. I really love Viv's style. I would personally just never animate it myself. Might drive myself bananas

[@halinaqi2194]

Every time I see a character with multiple arms, I'm like rip animators lol

[@CutMeSomeSlackTheVII]

Oh no, an artstyle that actually aims to look good as opposed to being as cheap and efficient as possible so our good little corporate overlords won't have to give them too high of a budget. Sit down

[@m3371]

@@CutMeSomeSlackTheVII there is a stark difference between "looking good" and being unnecessarily overcomplicated. you clearly have zero experience in either art or animation. sit down

[@ibraahimdureng7482]

​@@m3371You tell em.

[@infile-ps5rq]

@CutMeSomeSlackTheVII a simple character can look just as good depending on their character and personality. More details does not mean good or better for every character

[@rabbitlove1785]

For Hazbin Hotel's use of reds really sets the scene for me, I don't feel that it needs to be changed personally, and I would rather they weren't. Everything being surrounded in a red hue really pushes the feeling that they are in hell, on the level of the sinners, the constant discourse, just really brings it all together. I always felt this was intentional and I liked it.

[@drweamy]

most of the people hating couldnt even begin to try draw as good as viv, her art is so unique in many ways

[@Jeffthetrueboss]

Yea but you don’t need to know how to make a movie to dislike one

[@UnholyRave666]

That is pretty irrelevant. You can also criticize a dish, even if you are not a capable cook.

[@drweamy]

@@Jeffthetrueboss its fine to dislike, i mean the people who will hate on it and say its shit and stuff

[@drweamy]

@@UnholyRave666 not to the point its oversharing opinions and calling the work "shit"

[@somebody.302]

EXACTLY like just leave her alone and actually no one asked bruh.

[@pohakushiba]

you're one of the few creators who've given criticism in good faith. i still admire her work and her art style. doesn't mean i don't see obvious flaws in her productions that need polishing up on. we need more calm and mature creators like you to help guide creators like vivziepop into the direction of success

[@artyamy7184]

Yep I agree

[@martistszz3164]

5:39 by this image alone you can see that there are no copy-paste kind of body, they all might be on the thinner side (except for Mitzy who’s a plus size character) , but they all have an unique body shape, which is what makes them stand out. While i can agree the color palette doesn’t help much on making them stand out from the backgrounds, their body shapes gives a hint of their personality. Even Charlie’s and Vaggie’s bodies has that need variation to be able to know who is who, Giving Vaggie a pear shape with wider hips and thin legs while Charlie has more of a straight body with little variation from her hips to her chest Im aware the hair of some characters were erased but since the focus point here is their bodies and not their full silhouettes we can give it a pass😅 and as you said, if you look beyond the main characters, there are indeed a wide variety of bodies, the summer episode is a good example. Besides, you can’t compare her art of now from the art from years ago, as if you can’t get some improvement as time passed by

[@spacesoarer3627]

Her art style is so beautiful and unique. It's very refreshing to have adult animated shows with stylistic animation for once, instead of another Family Guy clone. Viv's animation really speaks to me a lot.

[@sidsthesid]

I’d like to say something towards the criticism about the backgrounds. I have worked 5 years in the animation industry on Layout/BG so I think I have a good idea what is causing these issues. First off backgrounds in animation are typically separated into two departments, Layout (who do the set up, fix the boards to make sense, line art, sep layers, draw in props, character placement ect) and BG Paint (who do the colours, shading, and flatten ect) sometimes shows will combine the departments. It’s not unheard of but it is generally not a good idea unless you give artists a really low quota cause it is A LOT of work. Vivs team on Helluvah makes them do both which can lead to things being rushed if time is short or they have freelancers who get paid by pice and can’t live off 5 BG’s worth of cash a week. Also as for inconsistency’s between shots. I learned Viv has had to not show Animatics in full to the art team to avoid leaks. Totally understandable but also a really bad idea for art quality especially in layout. You need to see a full sequence to get an idea of where characters stand and act in the room, do they interact with an object, what is the point of the scene so it can be staged to compliment it, hooking up areas in the room to be consistent sizes and distances. When you split up these scenes between artists it’s inevitable that they will become wonky. And finally in my humble hot take. Vivs BG style is WAYYYYY To complicated to be mass produced. Thank goodness the latest episode got help from bento cause Asmodious’s bedroom??? An ellipse are you kidding me??? The line mialage in this show is so so high and everything has a pattern. And they use a lot of unnecessary wide shots that just make so much extra work for the department. Don’t get me long it can show off how beautiful they are! But it can also show off when it’s rushed. Layout isn’t just drawing. It’s getting perspective correct, it’s checking character sizes for consistency, it’s fixing boards that were made before locations were approved that don’t make sense anymore, it’s setting up cam moves. Layout and BG artists are wicked talents at replicating style, but each step is so important and I think the nature of KZbin just brings out the worst in rushing artists. Even in TADC a lot of shots have weird staging where the characters are teleporting everywhere or skits don’t hook up. I think honestly people can have their opinions and criticisms but we need to be more mindful it’s often not reflective on the ability of the art team. Not a dig at y’all but just the Hate mob nit picking in general. One of the things I remember from Anim college was my professor bringing up the magic school bus reboot. This is someone’s job, they need money to live like the rest of us and it’s not super helpful and kind to be nasty about a product one a harsh deadline or high demanding show, when you see a show that looks rough just keep that in mind. All the love to artists and Hazbin/Helluvah content creators that use their platforms to lift eachother up

[@Junosensei]

Thanks for this contribution. A lot of people don't consider the logistics that go behind these projects, or they do and think "Why not just do it right, then?" ーWhich is to say, sometimes it really is bad management, stubbornness, ignorance, etc., but it just so often is everything from deadlines to budget limitations to certain staff having their hands tied elsewhere in the process, to technical issues, and so on. We, as spectators, don't always have a way of telling what specifically caused one issue or another, so it's important to keep our criticisms grounded in possibility, not undue certainty. =)

[@tiagodagostini]

The complexity of her background is an issue for her team management although. The Hotel pilot clearly is overworked, spicially in backgrounds, but I think a Pilot needs to risk it more.

[@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982]

I don't see the problem with Vivziepop's artwork. I love her artwork so much, she really brought the characters to life with her artwork! Vivziepop has a lot of great talents especially with creating her shows and making her artwork of the characters.👍

[@AtlasVoid_]

Shes like a master of indie animation her stories are intriguing her art style is distinct and you can identify the characters by just their small details. In all honesty homie does better than what you see on tv daily.

[@fallenanddragon4121]

The only problems that I've every really had with her art is the overuse of multiple elements, like colors or outfits, or confusing and complicated designs; but coming from someone who's been a fan of her since the die young animation, her art and style itself is amazing and beautiful.

[@corvid_pest]

My personal style is the complete opposite of Vizies style, but from an artistic standpoint, her style is really fluid and animatic, even in static images. It's technically clever and she uses a lot of effects that helps her characters to shine. I believe that it's mainly a case of "get popular, get hate (and criticism)". People just like to complain about everything without even taking in consideration that some creators/artists don't really care if people dislike their art style/character designs. Life is too short to give into people all the time. If Vivzie likes her style and designs that's 100% valid, even if it's a show now. She's fully in her right to utilize her art style!

[@amjthe_paleosquare9399]

I read Zoophobia years ago back in school, but I'm very new to the Viv fandom. I love that her style is so unique compared to most animated media I've seen in the recent years. It pops out, it's colorful and fluid, it isn't afraid of pushing the boundaries of how the characters can move. Yeah, sometimes scenes move so fast that it's hard to follow what's going on, but the character designs bring me joy. And honestly, no company is perfect, especially an indie company like hers.

[@youraverageyharnamite5389]

I think the argument of all the characters have the same proportions/ faces/ colour pallet is just unjustified hate. Usually what makes a character stand out is their silhouette with the other features helping distinguish characters a little more. In that regard Hazbin’s character silhouettes are very different, Charlie and angle dust have more rounded, inviting corners while vaggie and Alastor have sharp, threatening angles. Further more though they have the same pallet, their arrangement of colours is very different, Charlie recognisable by her blonde hair and red suit’s contrast, angle dust is recognised by his overbundance of white with red accents, and Alastor with an overwhelming amount of red. Though they have the same pallets they are still quite different and I think these arguments are from people looking for faults to cause controversy

[@crowdlycrow3632]

No they aren't actually and they are pretty variated. Colors not the same byt lack of a color ramp, wich makes them look flat but that is all. Well and simple, she should make them a bit more complex because is so easy to copy it

[@roxycauldwell544]

The best part of Hazbin was the different color palette in the main cast. I wish she would have kept their clothing the way they were rather than making them all red.

[@Geminisparkles]

All of her characters are skinny af. Even beezlebub is. Every feminine character also has a choker. Also every woman has hourglass shape or is just skinny. (Not to mention her internalized misogyny she has in her writing, this turns off a lot of women from her show) Or "tough" character a gold tooth. It lacks variety and realism. (The background artists do a better job at character design) The criticism is valid and everyone is okay for having an opinion. The fact so many in the fanbase can't take criticism is proof of how young the fanbase is. She hasn't solved the fat problem either, the background artists have. The "fat" character's she creates are men. Her sexism is extreme.

[@crowdlycrow3632]

@@Geminisparkles Hold up, I will stop you right there, this time I agree with the design choice, I think the fact all are skinny is because they appeal better to audience y are more easy to animate. Mammon is fat, and I think is the only one lol, but the skinny think was more like a animation choice rather than a mistake. Even dough I still think is a very simple style and that choice was made to keep it simple. In the rest you said I completely agree.

[@shab_nak]

@@Geminisparkles first of all, complaining about 'sexism' and 'misogyny' in a show where little children literally d*е and everyone are either on dr*gs or are just very immoral isn't very good idea. second of all, as a fat person, i feel sorry for everyone who's self esteem is so small they could literally cry for hours about how some random creator didn't include their bodytype in their random show. also, why beelzebub should be fat? you wanna tell that fat people are more succumbed to gluttony? you can't even realise how effing fatphobic you sound, and this, considering your complaints, is hilarious.

[@shylar763]

I can't believe people actually hate her artsyle when her artsyle and character designs literally inspire me as an artist

[@grAnita-]

Well maybe it doesn’t inspire them

[@sandracarnegie2871]

@@grAnita- doesn't mean they have to be haters, don't like it? move on

[@grAnita-]

@@sandracarnegie2871 yeah sure

[@genesisknight9948]

Her style inspires me a lot too! Hopefully you've found your style and happy medium, good luck in your future arty endeavors!

[@thelemon5069]

​@@grAnita-yeah sUrE

[@47ratsinahoodie]

I always thought Viv's art style was so beautiful in that every character, no matter the pose, looked like they had this life about them. As a kid I tried to replicate her style to no avail. I could never quite pin down what it was, but only with one of my drawings was I able to sort of capture that life. Not all of her drawings have anything too dynamic, but I still see that life. I've branched out to have much more inspiration for my art (you can still kind of tell the foundation was Viv tho) but only sometimes can I make something that feels like a Viv piece, and that alone makes her art style really special to me. I don't think I've ever come across another artist who could do that (maybe James Baxter, but from specifically his pencil animations, not like, rendered pieces)

[@weebjams]

personally I feel like the best measure of a 'good' art style its its individuality, like if people can look at your work and recognise it as yours then that goes a long way, and vivzie has an instantly recognisable and consistent style which I think is very effective

[@Zune_Chitsuya2]

Her artstyle is SOOO GOOD AND I LOVE IT!!!❤❤❤

[@elliboon]

I don't think many people are upset about the artstyle, but more about the character designs. As you said, so many characters look alike - Angel Dust, Lucifer, Alastor, Charlie, Vox and more. They all have a suit with a bowtie, which isn't necessarily bad, I just feel like some characters could've gotten a better outfit. For example, Angel Dust could wear more sexual clothes since he's a porn star, or Lucifer - since he's a circus principal (ruler of hell) he could wear some different variations of the suit so atleast it's different from the cast, Charlie I can understand, she's an owner and a manager, her suit suits her well (heh), for Vox I have no idea how Vivzie came up with the suit for him... maybe he's like a talk show guy? Which i've seen wear mostly ties. I know it's not fixing much, but atleast it's something that can make him feel different. And for last, Alastor. I think his design is too iconic to change, so if all of the characters above would've changed, then we wouldn't have much of a suit + bowtie problem anymore. This is just my opinion, coming from a character designer, so please don't harrass me in the comments, thanks. Instead, I'd appreciate if you'd tell me how would YOU fix the designs, I'd love to know your ideas! Again, I'm not a Viv hater in any way, quite the opposite. I want her universe to grow and see it shine, plus sometimes it's good to point out mistakes in someone you look up to, that way they seem more human. And if I see one comment saying "oh you're just hating because you can't draw like her", I've drawn in her style soooo many times, it's not that hard compared to the detailed realistic anime style I have, so some cartoony funky style is like one of the easiest styles to replicate for me.

[@crowdlycrow3632]

Finally, someone who gets it, I remeber a teacher told me: "If it can be copy easy, is not a good artstyle" and I think is the principal problem of HB and HH. Is not unique anymore because everyone can draw it. Also, quoting my bf who is professional artist: "If you want to break rules, you need to know the rules". Viv breaks so much rules and seems she doesn't know how to, for example in HH she litterally ignored the 12 principles of animation making it look rough and weird. You can't break this unless you know what you are doing. Deforming characters the same, you can't make a character with skinny and long legs if yiu don't know how to. Do I explain myself?

[@fallenking578]

I know Angel and Vaggie are getting many outfit swaps that we've seen from the gifs so hopefully it's a running gag that at least Angel changes costumes every episode (it would fit him charaterwise) Lucifer could have verious form of royal + ringleader outfits that could be based on irl royals (there are so many fun ones that could be incorporated), Vox was already stated to be based of game show announcers and they usually have just the one suit because it's a uniform, but back when they had an Instagram we did see him in other clothes,so I hope they will keep that in the series to show his down time. As for Alastor, he comes off like a man who has one outfit his whole life so I don't think we'll see much change on his end.

[@princessunicorn9267]

Now I see what you mean. I think the problem with Angel Dust is his character is based on what she originally drew for him. If he is a pornstar, why doesn't he wear the costumes he's mostly in such as the feminine ones? I can understand ORIGINALLY he was supposed to be a 1950s mobster but considering yeah now he is a pornstar, his costume SHOULD change. Or overall, maybe he's not a pornstar but just a trouble maker dealing in drugs he smuggles or takes. It could still have a tie in with Valentino where Valentino makes Angel do his dirty work by giving drugs to his clients and Angel gets abused still.

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

​@@crowdlycrow3632 Your teacher is a terrible person, manipulating youth to push their agenda. This would mean almost all anime is bad, due to that style being copied easily. As a novice artist, copying a style isn't hard at all, you just look at official art and do what they did. Is the eye n shaped without a line on the bottom? Draw an n without a line on the button. Do the brows show through the hair? Draw the brows through the hair. The only art that is difficult to copy is stuff which adds excessive details, something terrible for animation, and it is just because it is time consuming. HB and HH are well loved, despite these 12 principles. It is almost like these are unneeded rules that can guide but otherwise gate keep things. Like a person born into a rich family saying they earned the wealth and you can get rich just like them. That people aren't bothered because it does look good. What you're doing is effectively saying "I don't like anime, so all anime is objectively bad."

[@crowdlycrow3632]

@@Buglin_Burger7878 Look yeah my teacher was a very bad person but you can't say something is good when it doesn't even follows basic rules at least on animation. Because the drawing actually is very fine. But I'm not saying is bad is you that are putting those words on my arguments. Is not bad, it just need some improvement. And anime is not easy to copy, believe me is way more complex than you think. You practice a bit and can draw Blitz within hours. While you have great points you also have some weak ones. Even anime has his rules, and of you don't follow them you may end up with a bad work. You can't skip those rules while drawing and if you plan to break them you need to knoe them first. For anime you need to know realistic anatomy first and so does cartoony styles like HB and HH. You can't skip those. I'm intermedium artist. And yeah my teacher may be an asshole but you know... He teached me good things, to fit on his agenda? He is really famous, you know if it wasn't for him I wouldn't be speaking of this. Seems like you don't know yet how animation and drawing works. Requieres a lot of effort and study. Other flaw I see with Viv style is color. She needs to study color theory better. I have this feeling that you are trying to justify flaws by saying my teacher is bad because he helps us learning the basic rules of drawing.

[@genesisknight9948]

I absolutely love Viv's art style. The character designs are creative as hell, they can be super expressive (I find Angel Dust, especially early art of him to be a prime example) and overall, I find it super fun to see what she comes up with in her own style. As someone who draws (mostly as a hobby) I find the lengths she goes to in regards to creativity incredibly inspiring and gives me a boost to try and make my own style and characters. I am no where NEAR as good at art as she is, but I'm striving to improve and seeing other creators styles and characters helps to inspire me to not give up, and I'll find my style, it might just take a while.

[@gailasprey7787]

Viv is not perfect. Her art is not perfect. But it is expressive, made with love, unique and fun. You damn well will recognise that is Vivzie’s which I find to be a strength. She has flaws but she’s not deserving of all the shit she gets. Shes being harassed by so many people and I hate that. Leave her alone is what I say to people like that.

[@SOLID.SOLIDM]

I legit loved and still love her artstyle, her artstyle made me want to do art myself, I grew up with her animations, ESPECIALLY her “die young” video. I remember asking my mom to search for it everyday.

[@brianson2733]

Its really disgusting that these "people" will go such lengths to make others miserable because they're miserable. Vivienne is doing honest work for herself. She has every right to style her art as it is, because art is based on free will of an individual.

[@crowdlycrow3632]

Yes! That is correct. But remember it being an artstyle doesn't mean there are no chances to improve

[@kennethsatria6607]

@@crowdlycrow3632 But these criticisms are completely subjective, what the hell is wrong with skinny designs?

[@dollzo]

​@@kennethsatria6607you can't only take the bad faith critisms

[@oaekbedwars]

ok i agree but you did not just claim that disliking and art style and being rude makes you not a person 😭😭😭 chill man

[@jerrientisdale6349]

I heard someone on twitter say they don't like "artstyles that clearly look like they were drawn by a woman". I wasn't sure what they were talking about until I saw that vizie usually draws characters very cute/extravagant looking. The body languages on some of the characters are bouncy and tad bit flamboyant looking. I can see what they were talking about but it was still a weird arguement.

[@adman4150]

whats the outro song? ive heard it before in a video game but i cant remember which i remember now… its the DOORS (roblox) death screen

[@HeavyhandedDame]

It boils down to haters are gonna hate and Viv gives twitter WAY too much attention.

[@mrpickles-hb6zx]

Agreeing heavily on the second part

[@Nutmeg-]

Tbh she herself is a spawn of the cancel hell that is twitter. These people always eat their own.

[@meganpicozzi2922]

How could anyone hate the artstyle? It's so amazing and creative! I love the designs, and everything else! The animations are always so smooth too!

[@crowdlycrow3632]

Yes sure, is that so that everyone copies it with no effort.

[@destiny5282]

@@crowdlycrow3632this is the dumbest argument I’ve ever heard. “Her artstyle is simple therefore bad” like wtf is that supposed to mean, lots of cartoons have simple character designs. And for the love of god please don’t say it’s because “if her identity gets stolen then they can easily copy her artstyle.” Because that is such a reach.

[@crowdlycrow3632]

@@destiny5282 I didn't said that dummy. You are seeing it from your perspective and not objectively. Is a bad style when it can be easily stolen but that doesn't mean is ugly do I explain myself? There are lots of simple yet beautifull styles but complex enough to not be copied easily unless you practice that style for years. I didn't make that assumption that simple = bad. Nope. I'm just pointing a bug flaw it has.

[@sandracarnegie2871]

@@crowdlycrow3632 booooooooo

[@ugh9yearsago884]

I don’t hate her artsyle but it’s not my cup of tea since I find it a bit too gaudy for my taste, but I’m not gonna go out of my way to bash the artist because that’s her personal style of art. Nonetheless, I still enjoy Viv’s series on Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss since she really does make some funny and interesting plot stories.

[@nick3xtremegaming212]

my main complaint with Vivzie isn't her art style but mainly her questionable story telling and character development.

[@torpid5092]

Yeah there's 2 and a half seasons of Helluva Boss now and there has been practically no real story and very nonsensical and illogical character development I get Helluva can't really worldbuild or do a time skip or something because that sort of stuff will be restricted to Hazbin, but I'm worried thats just how Vivzie writes.

[@IConsumeTeeth]

Character design is hard, I mean after five years I still haven’t gotten a main character design that I’m 100% happy with for a project I’m working on! And animation in general is hard too, and plus, it’s an indie animation team, the quality the shows have is amazing for what they’re working with. Some people just judge shit without trying to do that shit, it’s just annoying as an animator when people say that animated characters look bad or indie animations are ‘choppy’ because I know damn well that person probably can’t do a 60 fps animation themselves. I mean, animators die from overworking when doing 60fps animations. When it’s a company it’s a bit more okay to talk about animation style and judge it since they’re extreme professionals. But even then, multiple teams of people work their asses off to produce your Naruto episodes or your One Piece episodes, and Vivienne’s team do wonderful making these shows, before I watched Helluva Boss I thought it was made by a major animation company like Disney or Cartoon Network or something! Trust me, before I started animating, I thought it was easy too, but now that I do make little animated shorts, it’s hard to be consistent, smooth, and also fun for me to make. I often try to do things that are too ambitious and end up scrapping the idea, but hey, that’s just a theory! A FIIIIIIIIILLMM THEORY!

[@pippacat2000]

Honestly i think her artstyles fine Its so dumb

[@myStitch11]

The people hating on her art style I would bet were also complaining about the “cal arts” art style of Main stream American cartoons almost 10 years ago. It’s a unique art style that helps it stand out, just let people enjoy stuff in peace

[@horrordragon2010]

Not really, if you compare Viv"s style to shows like Steven Universe. Her's style is complicated/complex/detailed; while SU is simplified. Plus the crowds criticizing the two, were different.

[@kennethferland5579]

@@horrordragon2010 I think their was a kernel of truth to critisizing the 'saminess' of American animation at the time (and lets be honest Japanese animation has lots of cookiecutter looking stuff as well), but I think Vivi has had a breakout particularly because it looks unique.

[@triggerfairy4070]

Nope, people complain about cal arts style is cause its too generic. The ones complaining are twittards that like watching call arts style cartoons cause theres not enough fat people

[@magicaltrevor3781]

How much free time do people have to actively hate a hugely talented artist's work??? Vivziepop's animation skills are through the roof and getting flack just for having a strong aesthetic is absolutely insane to me. Like every frame of what I'm seeing here is really just incredible from one single creator. Now I kinda gotta check out these web toons.

[@crownclowncreations]

I def think a lot of the hate is unwarranted. I loved Vivz’s art style when I first found her many years ago. However some critique I also get. Even though her art has evolved, and so has her characters, I still find them to look like something fro the depths of deviantART. Like, it’s very clear that these characters and stories were conceptualized when Vivz was a teen. Also, what may work in concept art, may not work in animation. Which is why studios often change characters for animation. I know I would lose my mind to try and animate that amount of unnecessary detail (speaking as someone who does animation). Like, I too have some very old OC’s who I know are edgy and cringe, and I know I only love because they hold nostalgic value to me. But I would never, ever try and use them in a pitch for an animated show! I’d never use them in a portfolio or show them to a professional. Because I know they are badly designed. I know this is gonna sound harsh, but I genuinely don’t think Hazbin would’ve been picked up by a studio, if the pilot hadn’t been such a massive success.

[@Chamoun101]

This year i went to my first Con in year's and met a person with a similar Art style to Vivzie. In fact i went multiple times to her booth, I was practically enchanted and couldn't let go of here booth, especially because I kept thinking about Vivziepop. When I told her that her booth was one of my favorites at the Con, because the art style was so similar to hers. She was so happy and grateful that I noticed, and told me that Vivzie is a great inspiration to her. Tl;dr I Love Vivziepop's Artstyl and can't understand why people are so retar.... wait can't use that Word anymore! 😂

[@NotAnOkai]

is that a reference? XD

[@SytanOfficial]

Great reference lmao

[@ericasutton3147]

I love Vivziepop’s art style. It’s so unique and original. One of my main inspirations for my art. The people saying that they hate it are mad that they can’t draw shit

[@AzaelRulz]

My brother said he HATES her art style. I looked at him like ⁰_⁰ He drew Batman JUST last week and it LITERALLY looked like a two year old's drawing of the cacti from Mario. He's 17.

[@junelaananke7138]

The background characters aren't designed by Viv, other people working on the project have shared on Twitter which designs they worked on. Asmodeus and Mammon might be good examples, it does seem like she designed them herself, but the background characters are not, they aren't her work.

[@Bneby]

Personally I love her art style, it’s so perfect and cartoony. I’d kill to be able to draw like her!

[@leroypreston2973]

This happens with artists, they will reuse builds and shapes for ease because it's hard to come up with new shapes and builds all the time. Reusing shapes and builds makes it quicker and easier to get art done. Even great artists like Jack kirby, and eiichiro oda reuse shapes, builds and designs for characters in their works. Question is how one varies things enough that it can look unique and different enough that when presented with a silhouette of characters, one can tell them apart even if their builds are similar. While character builds are similar in most of vivziepop's , the features, clothing and faces keeps things varied.

[@StarDustBunnies464]

Vivziepop became one of my favorite KZbinr ever since the pandemic I wasn’t doing great at that time, because I had a terrible teacher and the quarantine had made things worse for me with online school. I then discovered her channel one night and it make me feel a little better, I immediately love her artstyle that is pretty unique and she even one of my biggest inspiration for my drawings and even inspired me to make my own show (Along side Gooseworx with The Amazing Digital Circus.) And now everyone is just treating her awfully like that over everything, I’m not viewed her as a flawless person but it’s not a reason to treat her like that especially for her artstyle and character design I won’t have with problem with people opinions on it but they shouldn’t judge the artstyle or character design of the show like IT’S HER SHOW let her do what she want the WHOLE point of art is you express yourself through it.

[@shadowdemonaer]

Actually, this is my first time hearing that people don't like it! i, for one, adore new art styles. I come from watching mostly anime where all of the characters almost look like they are just copied and pasted, reduced to tropes instead of personalities, and they literally almost use the same six voice actors for every girl. Watching something like Hazbin is awesome. There's so much of a different experience in it for me than what I'm used to. Gives me inspiration too! Looking at things that are wildly different are really good for trying to find your own style and make your own stories one day. The more diverse, the better the results will be!

[@Shaked_Simcha]

I really love Vivzie's art style. It's special, colorful and recognizable with her. It is true that not everything is perfect and there are places for improvement, but this is part of art. To learn all the time, from your mistakes from the environment, other artists. learn, improve and grow. And we can see that Vivzie's art style has develop a lot over the years, and I'm sure she will also continue to improve, and develop it.

[@cheezytoxins8652]

The uniform colors in Hazbin Hotel is the only criticism I agree with here

[@bluestar4408]

This is basically my thoughts…

[@kaijuguy19]

Her art style really does a lot to bring a lot of inspiration for me. Mostly because of how it evokes a lot of gothic undertones not unlike Tim Burton as well as it has a sort of vibe and feel that wouldn't feel that out of place from animations from the 30s to 40s in a good way. It's really not often you see adult animation that really goes into other territories not as explored if at all. Like how Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss being musicals along with Primal being basically Tarzan meets the Lost World. So yeah it does get a little annoying hearing the backlash the style gets. Mostly on how it feels either nitpicky at best or unfounded at worst. I mean sure there's always room for improvement but there's a difference between pointing out art flaws in legit ways and just being unreasonably demanding. Besides she's shown to be willing to improve her style when needed.

[@breathedarlingokay]

i think ppl hate it bc of all the extra details-- in character design/ for OCs its seen as juvenile to add features just bc they look 'cool' or 'edgy' (ex eye patch! vitiligo! horns! wings! all of them at once!!! etc) so a busy design kind of emulates that 'edgy teen OC' vibe for some . which is seen as unfavorable

[@soulsmith4787]

I'm not gonna lie, the style definitely has a quality not unlike pieces I've generally seen from DeviantArt. The movement and framing of the animation is quite enjoyable though as well as the use of post effects. The character that I'd consider to be the most visually goofy is my favorite of her characters: Alastor. He may look like a _strawberry pimp,_ but Ed's performance elevates Alastor's most captivating traits. Here's to hoping that Amir can match the mastery that Ed illustrates he has over his voice.

[@KingKerosene]

She has been one of my biggest (if not the biggest) inspirations to my art. Mostly the expressions, hands, anatomy, and just most things overall. I could never hate on her style. It's gorgeous. I've been trying for around a year just to get the way she draws those intimidating, sharp-toothed smiles that I use down. I could never get it just right. Today, I finally got it down, and I've been so happy since then! Because I don't have twitter, I didn't know people hated on her artstyle. Which is why I was so shocked when I got the notif for this video. Safe to say, the haters have it wrong. Much love to Viv ❤

[@ThisIsNotMyUsername]

Her artstyle has developed so much! It's wonderful to see. A lot of her previous mistakes were improved upon. That's just how it is. Artists have to keep working in order to improve. The beauty of the internet is, if there is something you don't like, you can look away. I like her style and though very repetitive in some aspects, (like outfits and facial expressions) that's part of the reason I like her work. It's fun to look at!

[@trashkun.]

5:27 Honestly if this is having similar characters we're doomed, there are lots of shows with characters that have very similar silhouettes and no one bats an eye. I agree with you about the colour palette problem; I absolutely adore Hazbin but I instantly noticed this problem, I think that if the backgrounds were toned down a bit and less saturated the problem would be solved. About the proportion issue I kinda agree, sometimes it's hard to tell what's going on in a scene but I don't think that someone shouldn't animate things in their style just because it looks complex to watch, her project were born as something "homemade" so it's totally fine that they sometimes look a bit limpy; now that her shows are something bigger it's normal to get criticism but people should learn to express their opinion without being mean for the pure sake of it. Overall I love Vivzie's art style and the plots she creates, can't wait to see season 2 of Hazbin Hotel.

[@LpsZane]

I think it’s a combination of reasons, but the main one is that people who don’t like Viv are going to associate her work with negativity. I’m not going to pretend she doesn’t have places she could improve in, she absolutely does, but people are too busy bashing vivzie that they couldn’t be bothered to examine the content they enjoy and see that it has the same flaws. the biggest example of this is body diversity, mainly in the main cast. that’s the biggest criticism I see. people regularly joke that she is just incapable of drawing bigger characters, but that isn’t true, we’ve seen plenty of larger background characters, the issue is that they aren’t in the main cast. the other side thinks her designs are boring, but that’s completely subjective, I don’t think her designs are boring, some of her most hated designs are my absolute favorites. but even when she isn’t boring, people attack her for not being realistic, like when she made beelzebub a furry and not a plus sized bee, everyone lost their shit. I love the character of beelzebub, the redesigns people have made just don’t match her energy and personality.

[@crowdlycrow3632]

Yeah I agree, is how she does thinks the only things that cause me issues is the colors (there is no color ramp wich makes colors look flat and lacks of contrast rule), the artstyle, the artstyle is so simple it seems everyone can copy it, and perspective (she needs to polish it)

[@LpsZane]

@@crowdlycrow3632 I can agree with those points, but I do feel that styles need to be simplified when it’s being used for animation. when we look at the character sheets for hazbin hotel years ago, they were very very stylized, but that isn’t ideal for animation projects, especially indie projects.

[@crowdlycrow3632]

@@LpsZane Yeah Yeah I know, I mean that I feel they are over simplified? Maybe.

[@LpsZane]

@@crowdlycrow3632 I could see that for Charlie and vaggie in a way, but for characters like husk or Alastor- I’m still noticing new features on them everytime I rewatch the pilot lol. but I totally understand where your coming from dw

[@crowdlycrow3632]

@@LpsZane Ah I get what you try to say, yeah I agree with that. What I meant is that they are over simplified someone with a bit of practice can copy them. That wouldn't be good for unique purposes.

[@syniimon-stix4022]

I don't think the facial expression bit really matters too much. Sure, they have big grins with fangs, but their mouth shapes are obviously very different. You can't really just change the way you draw expressions and complaining that mostly antagonist/antihero characters have an evil or sinister grin is...not really a valid criticism. Viv is using different shaped mouths to differentiate the smiles and faces (Lucifer's being a w, Alastor's being a v, Angel's being a wide u, etc.) So I can't really see how the faces are "too similar" when it's firstly part of her artstyle and secondly, she does put some effort into making them visually different

[@sushigivesmelife2131]

This was a great video! I appreciate you had a balanced/neutral perspective on her art style - gave praise where due and gave criticism too. My biggest complaint for her design is the high level of detail! It must be REALLY tough to animate characters like Blitz and Loona. My biggest suggestion is to simplify both their colour palettes and remove some of their details entirely - kind of like when Steven Universe's characters were simplified. But hey, Vivsiepop doing great and I look forward to Hazbin hotel which is my favourite IP of hers 💖

[@FrostyStudios]

when it's popular enough, people will hate

[@fandanya3256]

Vivziepop's artstyle is one of the reasons why I like hazbin hotel and helluva boss

[@ArceeStarFan]

Blame the Haters from Cartoon community and even from criticism and awful opinions as well. Plus Vivziepop art is prefect.

[@crowdlycrow3632]

Is not, and it doesn't cost anything to look furry drawings to see there are way better artists. But, I don't hate it, is okay and I like it but I feel she needs to improve.

[@mrpickles-hb6zx]

@crowdlycrow3632 "better" you're not qualified to tell who's better at following art principles. Art is subjective and if arce says its perfect then it IS for them. Don't be rude

[@mrpickles-hb6zx]

@crowdlycrow3632 side note: your art sucks in comparison, not an opinion just the truth that you need to get better asap😊

[@crowdlycrow3632]

@@mrpickles-hb6zx Damn. You know art is subjective indeed but it also has rules. Even the smallest drawing is done following rules. And yes I am who to say because I am an artist too. And as you I have my right to speak. You always use the art is subjective to justify mediocricy.

[@crowdlycrow3632]

@@mrpickles-hb6zx You don't nees a big search to see. Viv jumps lots of rules, tries to break them. But if you don't know the rules you can't break them properly. I mean the style is not bad but it can be way better.

[@HandyTammy548]

I like Viv's art because it feels very Tim Burton to me, the main characters are often tall thin and willowy while the rest of the characters are a wide variety of shapes and sizes. With such a hodgepodge of character designs the main characters stand out more. And even then the main characters don't look out of place or the same since they are designed to stand out even amongst each other. I saw that silhouette picture 5:34 claiming that the main cast have the same silhouette, but the creator of that took away all the character defining parts of the silhouette like Vaggie's or Charlie's hair or Huck's wings! Of course the silhouettes are going to look the same once you take away all the defining features!

[@Jamesdmdkdkdkdj]

As someone who has a completly diffrent artstyle than hers i hate how many people hates her thats why i don't love hazbin hotel redesign videos because they are not only made characters unrecognizable but also people saying it's a way better than hers and she should change it like thats her style guys just leave her alone also i don't understand why so many people hate this show

[@trixxart777]

I thin her art style is pretty greate especially the exagerated fasical expressions and how unique eacb characters look the only thing that I dislike is some of thr colouring thought they tend to br more side and background characters. Also I don't really mind the colours mostly being red in hazbun because the clarity is better seen with tone. Also I don't really get the character similarity idea bcause Alastor,Vox and Charlie's dad are all supposed to be over lords of hell and tend to bs seen in more formal wear.

[@Gaterman]

As someone who came in very recently and is now looking at her old stuff it still looks good and I don't understand peoples complaints especially since it's evolved so much. If you need an example just look at the hellhound that's clearly an inspiration for Loona's design in the Hazbin pilot as it's a combination of Loona's core look and JayJay's physique, compared to Loona now it's obviously that Viv is still changing with her art style, plus work from the other animators make it clear much has changed but a lot of the good has stayed. I rather have too much going on than not enough as I'm sick of looking at backgrounds that are pointless and where the character might as well be in a blank void, well Viv's shows have so much going on It's always nice to see on a rewatch. Also as many other people have pointed out people would just call her out as fat shaming if she did draw bigger characters, dammed if you do dammed if you don't. I'm also gonna be honest I can't remember the last character from anyshow that if they were fat it wasn't part of their character's personality including mostly being a joke, so I'm fine with no fat joke characters. The only real complaint I kinda agree with is too much red, but that is minor and something that might change once the show is released.

[@greenteai6029]

It makes sense to be upset with a lack of representation for different body types in media like this but I also to an extent understand why most the main cast are so slim (other than husker) so often it’s can be challenging to work chubbier body types into threatening silhouettes, since the soft round form is used for safer characters and those sharp edges lend themselves more to triangles which are associated with deception danger and mistrust of the characters with those silhouettes look a bit more starving or sick which lends itself well to that

[@CommentPositionInformer]

No, it does not make sense. You can be upset with many things. Mishandled culture, offensive stereotypes, poor taste jokes, etc. But you *cannot* be upset at the traits that someone chooses to give their characters. Their name, the clothes they wear, their body-type, these are all preference of the author and nothing else. Being angry that there aren't fat characters is essentially the same as being angry that there are no characters named "Smith".

[@pixxeldust]

I think some people fail to realise that a cohesive colour palette in the main cast is a good thing. Why else would she have gone all out on design features and silhouettes? Those are the things that differentiate the characters, and the theme created with their colour palette gives people a convenient motif to know when someone’s with or against the main cast. Colour themes for good and bad, or just teams groups in general, make colour messaging so much easier to intuitively figure out. You’ll be able to tell who’s a friend and who’s not at a glance, assuming she makes the most of her colour choices.

[@darkwoods639]

Since "Queen Bee" was released, the criticisms about Helluva Boss have become more senseless than the other, both on the writing and on the character designs.

[@yamato6114]

Hell people got mad because of a Sallie Mae pin up. They claimed it was ‘fetishizing trans people’ but literally every single character on the show got a pin up, including the cisgendered characters. Wouldn’t that make it worse if she didn’t get one? Like it would basically be saying trans people can’t be sexy?

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

@@yamato6114 Welcome to the nightmare of trolls. They pretend to be of X group to antagonize people, a large amount of the hate you see online between groups is perpetrated by these types of people sometimes even sock puppeting having accounts fight each other when they own both accounts. As it turns out just because someone says they are part of a group doesn't mean they are. A good tell is if a person's entire "personality" is they are part of a group. The more extreme this is the more likely they are a troll or a kid that shouldn't be on the internet. The more traits unrelated to the group the more likely an account is run in good faith or the main account of a puppeteer/troll.

[@CeraWorld]

@@yamato6114yes. You definitely know that if that character was left out, the people who would complain about something like this would be complaining about that also.

[@DromusTH]

Bee design is awful sadly

[@xshimaeraxx]

@@DromusTH personally I thought it was really pretty and cool, though it must’ve been a *hell* of a thing to animate, LMAO. Could you explain why you don’t like it?/genq

[@rockercyborg6965]

The people who hate her art style are just jealous that they can’t make drawings like hers and are just trolls to make her feel bad when her art style is amazing and lovely

[@savagebear4374]

It is great. This coming from a person who cant draw.

[@Itariatan]

​@@rockercyborg6965...That they like it?

[@DamageMaximo]

@@rockercyborg6965 OBVIOUSLY that they can't make incredible art but still appreciate Vivziepop's artstyle, me included, I can't draw well and still love it

[@KenotheWolf]

Usually i dont like this argument cause its trash. But here it MIGHT be true.

[@crowdlycrow3632]

Artist here. Not very good but learning, I remember one teacher told us. If a style is easy to be copied by others then is not a good artsyle.

[@Cordelia_shorts]

I don't know why but during the video i literally couldn't watch that one moxxie scene without saying "A HUÆMEN CALLED ME A POSSUM, AND I AM NOT A POSUM" in my head because i can't watch that scene without hearing him say that lol😂

[@HeartCloud]

Whenever I watch Hazbin Hotel from the Pilot to what we have so far of the upcoming series, I do see some clear improvements. As much as I give the pilot a lot of praise for having a very unique art style with unique character designs, I do agree that the over usage of red can be a problem. It's not a problem that I come across whenever I watch the pilot many times, but I can see why others might not be fond of the over usage of red. But, I do see that the upcoming series could improve some of these flaws. Like using different colors within certain places, or make the characters pop out more so they aren't blended into the backgrounds. It's fair and valid to give out criticisms about Viv's art style, just don't be too overly negative to the point where it gets frustrating to fans who like the style. Back in the year 2020, Viv's art in animation was really new and unique to me on. She also really brings back the art form of 2D animation when most media is filled to the prim of 3D or CGI animation. 2D animation nowadays deserves more appreciation and I thank the work of Viv for making something within that art form look unique, but work at the same time. Sure, criticism isn't going to avoidable, but it's honestly refreshing to see 2D animation within current times.

[@mikedebakker5820]

I think it's time we just move on from all the hate. It's pretty clear at this point that the majority of people here absolutely love Vivzie's work, there is just a very vocal minority that feels the need to hate on everything she does for no reason and they'll never stop so it's time we just start ignoring it all.

[@gnat4941]

Hating on an artstyle of all things is the most stupidest things you can do, like that's the one thing you don't have control over. Be mad at other things.

[@mikedebakker5820]

These people will be mad at literally everything she does...

[@crowdlycrow3632]

Yeah, there is big differnce in "I think you can improve..." and calling it straight up shit. Second one is not okay and is not a way to help someone improve.

[@dcscruz2970]

Honestly I feel Vivzie could use like more diverse color palletes. And shapes to make each character stand out. Is why I found beezelbub so dissapointing. Too much going on and too many colors that look like hell to draw (pun intended). Is why I liked the sequence she was on the honey since her color palette looked good and not too overly designed. Her art style is good. Just she could use more experimentation.

[@ferreiraisabel1655]

i can understand for the pallets and the need to see more shapes ( i would like to see those a bit in the center of the episode even if we don't see them after, i think it'll be nice :3 ) but it never really bothered me and hey ! i've just remembered we'r supposed to have that Mamone episode for halloween right ? so we'r gonna have some rond character action soon :D

[@CreeperAid]

I think that criticism is good and is needed for improvement, but people ripping into Viv just because her 'artstyle is shit', saying such things literally only to get a rise out of others is overstepping the boundary a bit imo. Her artstyle is great, not the best, but I couldn't draw anything near that caliber myself, let alone just 1 character without fucking up😂, and some of these trolls on twitter can't either.

[@Vortexbatt]

Vivzies style is wonderful, but her expression of different body types or ethnic differences is kind of limited. That doesnt mean its bad, it just can be expanded on! If you are personally inspired by vivz art there is nothing wrong with it! Just learn from her mistakes and criticisms and try to expand your own art based upon it!

[@GlassChopsticks]

I like her art style, but I also know with her style she is more than capable of making more varied character designs. It's why I'm excited for the Mammon and Adam characters; they break the typical silhouette we're familiar with.

[@Fishys1120]

Viv is an awesome artist. Lets be honest there will always be art critics but guess what, their opinion is their own. I made up my own mind about what I feel about Viv's art and that is I find it extraordinary the colors the shapes of the characters the busy backgrounds everything comes together to make her work overwhelming in a very positive way. I have watched Hazbin Hotel atleast 12 times and am still finding details that delight me with every watch.

[@lerneanlion]

I think hating her artstyle is more of the last resort of excuse for the haters. The haters might hated something else they saw in the series she drawn. But when those things they hated are fixed, they resorted to the artstyle in order to continue on being haters because they refused to admit defeat. In other words, they craved attentions. And they don't care they are spreading hatred while they are seeking attentions for themselves. Peoples who spread hatred do not deserved to live in my view and those who did not try to stop them are also guilty of crimes by association and being bystanders. But that is just my opinion, of course.

[@SpagettiSpeltWrong]

I echo a lot of the complaints people have about Hazbins pilot being so red but I honestly dont think the choice of using a lot of red to emphasise that its hell is a bad thing. I think the issue could be fixed if Viv used more variety. Angel Dust already has this with his more hot pink/reddish pink against the vibrant warm red backgrounds and other characters. Husk and Alastor have damn near identical color pallets. I think if Husk had a more dark burgendy that matched something like red wine, it would compliment him and his character more and make him stick out against the vibrant reds around him. He likes alcohol, he's misserable, etc. Giving Alastor more muted reds could help emphasise his idenity as an oldtimey talkshow host and make him look more distinct since he's such a unique character. I think Charlie should change the least since her red suit being pretty similar to the red backhrounds of the hotel and the rest of the Pride Ring do a good job at representing how shes native to this realm, and the bright white if her skin and pale blonde hair represent how shes a decendant of a Fallen Angel, whos pallet is also primarily white with red secondary coloring. I think if they empasised her good soul and affinity for heaven (or at the very least goodness) more in her design (Like using gold for example) it would help bring more into her pallet. I'm no professional artist but I do study art as a hobby and I'm just giving suggestions based on what I've learnt and what pleases my eyes. I don't speak for everyone, these are just my own thoughts.

[@phantasy675]

As someone who’s studying character design. There is nothing inherently wrong with vivzie’s character designs except for potentially the color schemes. However the character silhouettes and shape language all read very well. When I look at each character, I can tell what kind of person they are. They may not be perfect, but I’m still a huge fan of the artstyle. In my opinion ive never been a fan of artstyles that are overly cartoony and every character is so different they can almost feel disconnected. Vivzie has a diverse character roster but also keeping consistency, which I very much value.

[@ilobesuxyuu6943]

As someone who draws frequently, I know how hard it is to draw in general and to change your style, its ingrained into your hand to draw in a certain way and as you draw you don't see the similarities because usually your just happy to draw. With viv It's more annoying as a lot of the people I see shitting on her art are people who can't even draw a stick man properly, let alone create characters and universe around them. Yes there are issues with her style, especially when you consider that her shows depict a variety of sexualities, genders and issues, so clearly she aims to be inclusive of anyone but if you can't draw then don't bully someone who can.

[@dominic_19077]

How can you talk about her style in detail and not even ONCE mention Invader Zim? LOL! It’s so very apparant in her designs. It was the first thing I noticed when I saw the main cast of Helluva Boss. Anyway, good video!

[@cariandi]

I am glad someone mentioned this because the imps are so obviously inspired by the way Jhonen designed the Irkens (the head shape in particular). Casting Horvitz as Moxie was the entire reason I wanted to watch Helluva Boss after the pilot aired- it was basically getting to watch a less unhinged Zim back on screen! The new Zim movie moving to a softer color palette only made me notice the similarities more. That said, I like some aspects of Vizie and Jhonen's art styles and dislike others, so I don't have much of a dog in the greater race.

[@Tyto-ATTA]

I really like it when art styles are unique and sharp like Vivian’s I do like some more rounded but viv’s is my favorite

[@crowdlycrow3632]

So unique it has like 1 million copycats on twitter

[@somethingcreative32]

You mean aside the fact that I brutally mistaked alastor as foxy once, THE DESIGNS HAVE TOO MUCH GOING ON!

[@TheSanndwichh]

I think the complaint of too much going on in some frames is a bit of a preferential thing. A lot of people (myself included) see it as an extra treat for the observant. It’s always (in my opinion) very clear where the focus should be, but the excess in the frames is used to kind of give the “analysts” and the people who like to check out what else is going on something to look forward to. It’s basically like Easter eggs, where you catch little hints, or references, or a character’s body language that isn’t entirely necessary, but it gives an extra sense of life to the world, making it seem like there’s more beyond just the main characters and their actions

[@sleeper4635]

People just hate on stuff for the dumbest reasons. "Too skinny characters?" What about Dexter's sister? Last time I checked, she's skinnier than a damn *pencil*

[@aidan8583]

i think the "too similar" argument is ridiculous especially with facial expressions. if you look at most popular western animated shows, there are almost always similarities, especially with eyes and facial expressions. vivzie's characters are far more expressive than most american animation

[@bluedotdinosaur]

Something to consider about character design similarities as well. While several key characters are constructed in a way that makes them capable of performing a very similar pose and facial take (such as a similar wide grin), in actual motion there's a very wide range of expression and differentiation between them. Characters do not move the same, with the same body language. Alastor, for example, is the only character who continually smiles as it is a core character trait. The others who are capable of smiling in a similar way are not so defined and display a different range on average. Essentially, a pitfall of critiquing characters designed for animation based on basic shapes, is discounting that part of their design is motion, which can't be captured in a single frame. As a comparison, one might argue that Fred Flintstone and Yogi Bear are "too similar" in design because of their barrel shaped bodies and limbs. But in motion each reads very differently.

[@Dip-Star-1489]

The only thing I could think of that could make people hate Vivziepop’s artstyle is how much of a mismatch the characters are when standing side by side in a show. For example, look at the eyes of the main cast of Zoophobia and you’ll notice that the pupils and irises are in different styles, with Zill’s eye style being similar to The Owl House and Vanexa having only black slit eyes. There is no problem with an artist having multiple artstyles, in fact that’s how most animators and artists stay in business, but the drastic artstyles need to have reason behind it. For example, The Amazing World of Gumball uses multiple artstyles because it helped convey the message of an episode and it was originally meant to be a show where multiple cartoons were abandoned.

[@skulldyr]

I love Vizies artsyle because its like Disneys "Body represents personality" thing and her own special something to it and it makes her work so unique like many other artists

[@savagebear4374]

Honestly artstyle isnt the primary thing I look for in animation. I can overlook it and judge the show overall. As for HH and HB it's great.

[@zdenda66alorddandas86]

Pfft I never felt like the characters were blending in because of the colour palletes. As an average viewer the artstyle doesn´t bother me personally at all.

[@magnetalique1737]

Funny how they say a tumblr sexyman is usually have skinny proportions, bowtie and evil backsory when Sans is the exact opposite of that.

[@RichardRoy2]

I'm afraid I'm not qualified to talk about a lot of the elements you speak of here. All I can tell you is that I love Vivziepop's work. I think it's a brilliant breath of fresh air. But I am biased. I do get confused when people talk in terms of hate. For me this is not an exercise in measuring one person's work against another's so much as a glimpse into the mind of a person. I'm also one of those types who needs to watch something multiple times in search of deeper understanding. We often miss a lot in life because life doesn't pause or try to spoon feed us every element of nuance. I have poor observational skills, so real life can tend to slip past me. I do know, however, that no matter what one does, someone is going to find something about it objectionable. They're entitled, as am I to love it. Such is life. I think it would be problematic were she to try to sate everyone to the point that it becomes a bland mishmash of mushy trash. So far as I'm concerned I think the critic in Ratatouille said it best when he said, "Surprise me." It's so hard to find something surprising in the corporate jungle of stories. We're too busy trying to be what everyone else says we should be. I hope that doesn't happen to Vivienne Medrano. It could very well end up that that gem ends up being crushed under the weight of the drive for profit. That would be a sad day.

[@Demogorgon4Breakfast]

Speaking from someone who is not a fan of her artstyle, its because the proportions, colors and faces of the characters are all very, very samey, and its hard to tell one character apart from another. But there's a difference between people who give her artstyle geniune criticism and just hate on it to ride the hate train. There are some geniune critiques to make about her artstyle but jesus don't send death threats.

[@MalvinaDeClares]

I am one of the people who isn't a huge fan of her art style. I tend to prefer anime/realistic and other art styles. I actually used to think it was hideous. And YET... Have you ever met someone you aren't attracted to at all? You think never EVER would i be with them 😫 but little by little you get to know them. And who they are shines through the surface and all of the sudden... That nose you thought was big... Now it's... DISTINGUISHED. that my jaw you thought was crooked? Adds character. And you see their depth and passion and integrity. Now you find defending your taste to your friends "yeah i know he's not CONVENTIONALLY attractive but he's attractive to YOU. THAT is my relationship with Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss. So yeah. me. I'm one of those people who doesn't like the art style. But it doesn't matter. The show is my ugly boyfriend and i love him and wouldn't trade him for the world and don't YOU dare call him ugly or i will throw hands Does that make any sense?

[@EscapeReality123]

This is literally the first time I've ever heard that people hate Vivsiepop artstyle, and I've been here even before the Pilot episode of Hazbin Hotel