Why is Washington State's Kirk Schulz holding up Playoff changes? l College Football Podcast

[@ShaneConQueso]

Kirk Schulz is the MVP of College Football.

[@jonahkuchowicz6488]

Screw the pac2, take the L

[@Jettvikings]

Go Cougs pal@@jonahkuchowicz6488

[@collinsezebuihe8408]

Why don't the presidents of the other programs in the CFP ruling gurus put themselves in Kirk Schulz's shoes, and let's see if they will navigate differently? I bet that they will do exactly what the WSU president is doing. Kirk Schulz's demands are reasonable and should be granted him.

[@haroldflashman4687]

He demands are ridiculous. He has 2 years of power and return for playing ball for the next 2 years he wants ongoing concessions for the playoffs post 2026.

[@PCSPounder]

@@haroldflashman4687 Or… it provides cover to the B1G and SEC to go their own way UNLESS the b12 or ACC add the Pac-2.

[@haroldflashman4687]

@@PCSPounder even that makes no sense! Why would Big 12 or ACC add WSU and OSU just to save 2 years on the playoffs deal? If SEC/B1G want to go their own way, they’ll do it regardless. After 2025 everything is open. That’s why Big 12 adding WSU/OSU makes even less sense.

[@chef2042]

I hope that we get to pick the game. That’s the biggest thing I hate about the Live TV games is that I’m forced to watch the ending of a game that I don’t care about while my game starts. I hoped that they gave us the option to be able to switch games rather than forcing us to wait.

[@LockedOnCollegeFootball]

Good take

[@terrysnyder127]

I just read Pat Chung from WSU was selected to serve on CFP selection committee. If Shultz is hated so much, why would they allow a WSU AD serve on the committee. I doubt there is as much discord between Shultz and the rest regarding 6+6 or 5+7 as podcasters make it out to be. If there was, Pat would never have been allowed on the selection committee.

[@LEE_65]

To be fair the ACC only took SMU because SMU isn't getting any media money for 9 years and Washington State and Oregon State can't afford to do that

[@LockedOnCollegeFootball]

The factors were more varied than that

[@davidfloyd9134]

Big10 could have added Washington st & Oregon st

[@chef2042]

They wanted Notre Dame first.

[@BeWise4Life]

They could have but they are such small media markets that they just took the large schools nearby. It is the same reason they added SMU. We aren’t ignorant of why they didn’t add them, but I also think its totally fair that they fight for what is best for their schools.

[@haroldflashman4687]

They could have but rightly didn’t!

[@JohnOdermott]

@@BeWise4Life Actually, Oregon State University's enrollment is half-again as much as the University of Oregon, and it has a larger alumni base. UofO will have one of the smallest enrollments in the expanded B1G. However, if you're talking about NATIONAL BRAND, then you're spot on. UofO and UofW are much stronger than OSU and WSU by that measure, which is the one that counts.

[@richardreed6249]

Neither school meets the academic standards of the Big-10. For example, they are not members of the AAU.

[@PNWUte]

You could say that availability of remaining high-quality defensive coordinators for the Buffs is "hard to find" #GoUtes

[@cacogenicist]

For fans who want to eacape the cable bundle, here's a big-ass expensive bundle. Yay.

[@davidfloyd9134]

Colorado is going to get their teeth kicked in

[@cacogenicist]

Yup. The O-line will still be bad. As will the entire D.

[@dylanwade9825]

Not any more than they did last year

[@LockedOnCollegeFootball]

They're gonna make a bowl game

[@pnwadventurer802]

What he wants only lasts two years anyway. Even if they they are able to rebuild the PAC it won't be a P conference just a glorified G5. Tuneup need to join the MW asap. Either one of them could have a good chance of being the best G5 and get the auto bid

[@LockedOnCollegeFootball]

But it would be the best G5 in all the land with a great path to the CFP

[@cacogenicist]

Colorado is still going to suck. The O-line will be only marginally better, and the D will still stink. You can't build a great O-line entirely in the portal, and their high school recruiting continues to be trash, so it's hard to see a _good_ O-line there any time in the next 3 years.

[@user-od3hf1rm9h]

The PAC2 will never be put back into a power conference unless a major overhaul, like Chip Kelly's proposal, happens. So Kirk has little downside risk. The PAC2 will lose about $160 million dollars if Kirk agrees to a 5+7 format. With nobody wanting WSU/OSU why should he go along? Take the money, wait it out for two years and see what happens to the ACC implosion, the SEC/Big10 alliance and new media deals that happen in two years. Kirk has played a terrible situation masterfully. Something the PAC12 failed to due. The math on the $160 million goes like this. Under the 6+6 format the PAC2 gets $80 million a year for two years plus an auto bid that pays a few million dollars. Compare that to getting Group of 5 money of $102 million a year for 64 teams. What is better over two years? A 50% share of $160 million plus playoff money or a 1/64 share of $204 million? The Ag schools (WSU/OSU) have schooled Cal and Stanford.

[@pnwadventurer802]

Neither one would get an auto bid. Only conference champions get the automatic in. PAC won't have a championship and neither one is eligible for the MW championship. Thier only hope is to finish top 11 ranking which seems unlikely

[@user-od3hf1rm9h]

@@pnwadventurer802 For $80 million a year they will have a championship. As the only two voting members they could decide it by rock paper scissors if they wanted to. The PAC12 also has an auto bid under the current 6+6 format. Nobody can take that away unless Kirk agrees to it.

[@robreid9405]

#1

[@haroldflashman4687]

Can someone please explain to me how delaying the inevitable by 2 years changed anything? Shulz loses his veto after 2026 playoffs.

[@TheFrizbaloid]

What does Shultz have to lose? If he allows the other conferences to treat WSU and OSU like garbage, where’s the benefit of doing what they want? The conferences want WSU/OSU to give up any chance of rebuilding the PAC-12 in exchange for nothing.

[@haroldflashman4687]

@@TheFrizbaloid I agree. But seems he’s asking for far more than what he will be giving up. I mean ok so he agrees to let the playoff changes take place 2 years earlier, but what he wants in return is: 1. Equal playoff shares for any G5 programs that join the PAC 2. PAC to be treated as a power conference going forward after 2026. That seems like he wants everything but can only offer a pittance in return.

[@xmositoxc147]

Why? Cause he wants Sankey to make an example out of him for the next CFP iteration. Sankey won't forget and now he'll have Big10 support. Wouldn't be surprised if whatever New Conference WSU creates does not have voting power because it currently does not exist.

[@richardreed6249]

What will happen is that the rest of college football will remember this, and when the renogitiation comes around, WSU/OSU/PAC-12 will get screwed. Serves them right. Long term for both those schools and Schultz, this could be a dumster fire.

[@LockedOnCollegeFootball]

How could they get screwed further?

[@richardreed6249]

@@LockedOnCollegeFootball So far, they've only been a victim of not being big enough. What happens, when those powers that be who make decisions actually have a dislike of the program and do things to actively eliminate or alienate them from participation.

[@Mr.Ed_Wayner]

The PAC-12 is done because you changed your channel name.

[@rx2878]

The 2 Pac has the most leverage. If Snakey and his minion pet-itti can't get what they want..How much profit will his desperate...yes desperate MEDIA Overlords lose? Snakey is already snatching pennies away from the G5.

[@haroldflashman4687]

It’s only for 2 years! PAC 2 loses its veto in 2026. SEC can wait.

[@VolsSlimJimmy]

Won't be happy until we get a big 10 & SEC only playoffs and championship