Why Islamic Philosophy Should Matter to Christians

[@unusualreturns2774]

Wow... In all my time on the internet, I've never seen a Christian engage even remotely this objectively with Islamic history. This is quite refreshing

[@TheologyMade]

Oh wow, thanks!

[@bluesky45299]

@@TheologyMade Let me establish the source of “Transcendental apperception”. Quran(only scripture with 100% preservation/accuracy) says:”Allah:there is no deity worthy of worship except he”:The Neccessary life/consciousness,sustainer of life/consciousness.” Wire like neuronal structures that conduct electricity via ions/neurotransmitters in the CNS/PNS possess no attribute of thinking/life and yet that has “randomly” led to life. Consciousness/thinking is an innate idea(“Fitra”)that is distinct from carbon skeleton and yet the materialist scientist believes that chemistry turned into biology(abiogenesis) via “god of randomness”/”Emergent property”/”law of nature”. Limited/Imperfect Consciousness can only stem from Necessary Consciousness (Allah-One/Indivisible/All-Loving/Self-Sufficient Infinite Perfection)…….

[@yakoubex]

​@@djmcwj7369 the fact that he wrote a book that refuted so many Christians philosophers in his time then wrote a book refuting philosophy and rejecting it is still one of the most gangsta thing done by any scientist/researcher/philosopher ever (for me) .

[@NatanKohen-b3k]

It is pointless to speak with muslim! The moment that you disagree, they inmidiatly, as if they have a "chip" in there brain, brand you as an atheist! Don't waste you time!

[@Marta1Buck]

Paimon, you're lost.

[@aquib91]

Quick note: Memorizing the Quran by age 10 isn’t a story of legend. Thousands of children around the world have achieved this feat in the modern day

[@muhammadasadabbas5479]

Memorizing with meaning is different thing brother many children now memorize it but don't know the meaning

[@aiya5777]

​@@muhammadasadabbas5479 many? it doesn't take newton to understand Arabic Calculus is a lot harder than advanced arabic

[@TheologyMade]

Very interesting

[@aiya5777]

@@TheologyMade the Quranic verses are fundamentally repetitive and quite easy to memorize

[@muhammadasadabbas5479]

@@aiya5777 i am not saying of wether its difficult or not i am talking about that these people are not interested in knowing what is written plus its hadith of prophet p.b.u.h that at end of time every prophet would be asked why his people gone astray and their response would be that their followers put the quran or holy book on there back now i am using 'put' for respectful manner but the term was more of they left the the teachings and commandments of god and gone astray from what those prophet teach

[@Hadeed20]

Finally Muslims in a positive light

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for watching!

[@latusalihyasalim4872]

what are you talking about!? there’s a lot to be said about how the west is ruining the muslim world and i don’t want to get into it .

[@commodusmeridius4718]

He's not a catholic Remember this

[@SalemPhiladelphia]

@@commodusmeridius4718so?

[@Durray13]

When you're talking to _Paulian_ ... Q: Who is God? A: Jesus Q: Is Jesus the son of Mary? A: Yes, Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus was born from the mother he created (Mary) Q: Is Jesus a born son? A: Yes, Q: Who is his father? A: God Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus is the father of God Jesus and the creator of the mother he was born from her the son of his wife Q: Is Jesus the servant of God? A: Yes, Q: Did Jesus die on the cross? A: Yes, Q: And for whom did he go up? A: To God *God Jesus was crucified & ascended to God Jesus Q: Is Jesus a Messenger? A: Yes, Q: Who sent him? A: God Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus was the messenger of God Jesus. God sends himself as a Messenger of himself Q: Did Jesus pray when he was alive? A: yes, Q: Whom was he praying for? A: For God Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus worships God Jesus himself Q: Does God have a beginning? A: No Q: So who was born on December 25th? A: Jesus Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus is eternal before everything but he was born in 25th Dec Q: Where is God? A: In heaven Q: How many Gods are there in heaven? A: God is only one. Q: Where is Jesus sitting? A: He is sitting on the right of God. Q: Is Jesus a God? A: Yes Q: So how many Gods are there in heaven? A: Only one God Q: Where is Jesus? A: He is sitting to the right of God. Q: So how many gods are there in heaven? A: Only one god. Still Q: Is Jesus a God? A: Yes Q: So who many seated gods are there? A: Only one God? Q: Where is Jesus? A: He is sitting next to the god. Q: How many gods are in heaven? A: Only one. Q: Are they sitting on the same chair? A: These words are understood only by the one who has the holy spirit. *so.. God sacrificed God to God in order to save God's creation from God. God prayed to God for help but God didn't help God, and God killed God with help from humans. And that God is a father of himself and the mother of himself and the son of mother he created at the same time. He is also eternal but his birthday is...? 🙏

[@FA-tz9wk]

Thank you for being secure enough in your own Christian faith and being able to look at the Islamic intellectual tradition with sincerity...

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for sharing that!

[@gyangting]

True, but it doesn't mean that today's islam agrees with the golden age principles and teachings. Even better, it doesn't mean that the teachings of that golden age are appropriate for today.

[@Oohnohassani]

​@@gyangtingwho says Islam today doesn't agree?? The Quran is still the same no? Nothing changed...

[@gyangting]

@Salio_Mendes yes. The Quran is still the same today... and that's a big problem! Because the Islamic faith is supposed to be applied it by the letter. Thankfully, muslims today are better than the allah and the prophet of the Quran+hadiths and do not apply the horrors that are in these texts (cutting the thief's hand, taking the lifff-e..fe of the apostate, marrying yo+-ung ones, rejecting non believers, having sl..a..ves, etc.)

[@kutomi86]

@@gyangting Civilizations have changed; true, but the teaching of Islam still the same even until today. Some Muslim who is not devoted enough doesn't represent the whole community. And Islam is the religion anyway, human are imperfect

[@anarchistalhazen7084]

Mashallah, such a good video! To be honest, I've seen so many Christiansn KZbinrs misrepresent Islamic thought and thinkers. It was very refreshing to watch your video!

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks so much!

[@GSK-Tech]

00:37 Avicenna Abū ‘Alī al-Husayn ibn ‘Abd Allāh ibn Sīnā al-Balkhī (persană ابوعلى سينا/پورسينا Abu Ali Sina sau numele arab: أبو علي الحسين بن عبد الله بن سينا ) 00:38 Averroes ابوالوليد محمد بن احمد بن محمد بن رشد - Abū l-Walīd Muhammad ibn Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Rushd 00:39 AL-Ghazali Al-Ghazali, Abu-Hamid bin Muhammad bin Muhammad bin Muhammad (Arabă: أبو حامد محمد بن محمد بن محمد بن أحمد الغزالي الشافعي )

[@TheologyMade]

Yes those are the truer names.

[@BencerCourt123]

Avicenna is western name. His name is Ibnu Sina

[@Emantarawneh1]

Thank you. I was perplexed by their names though all Muslim philosophers are somewhat familiar to us Muslims. The presenter could have said: Ibin Rushd, Ibn Sina and Al Ghazali.

[@KeyhanHadjari]

He was Abu Ali Sina or Ibn Sina in Islamic World. He was a moderate modern Muslim for his time and for that he was called Kafir by orthodox Muslim. But he called himself Muslim.

[@KeyhanHadjari]

@@Emantarawneh1 That is because he is speaking in English. When you speak Arabic you do not say Plato, Arstotle or Alexander, you use the Arabic names for them, so the same here.

[@kamilansari527]

"Faith and reason, science and philosophy can coexist and even Enhance each other" Avicina

[@TheologyMade]

True

[@mehmetzahidcay657]

It's Ibn Sina not Avicina

[@zeeshawnali4078]

Muslims have known this for a long time, nice to see Christians start to acknowledge this too.

[@TheologyMade]

🙏🏼

[@z.aibrahim]

Coming from a Muslim, that’s a real Christian right there. No Christian would speak ill of Muslims. Thanks for shining a light on our history. 🙏

[@TheologyMade]

So appreciate that

[@RichardEdwards40]

a muslim has no say in what a real christian is. its none of your business

[@Akhgy]

So there are no real Muslims because they speak ill of everyone then

[@MeandMyself-r3i]

This comment should be Pinned and Saved ❤❤❤

[@z.aibrahim]

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[@Someone-ct2ck]

You are wrong. Al Ghazali did not rely on faith to refute the philosophers on the eternity of the universe. He made his famous Kalam cosmological arguments to refute. "Everything that begins to exist has a cause. The universe began to exist. Therefore, the universe has a cause." And he laster he gives reason why he thinks the uinvese began to exist. This is what william lane craig used and won prizes for popularizing it.

[@TheologyMade]

That argument is refuting the eternality of the world. But yes he did postulate the argument far before Craig made it famous.

[@bluesky45299]

Let me establish the source of “Transcendental apperception”. Quran(only scripture with 100% preservation/accuracy) says:”Allah:there is no deity worthy of worship except he”:The Neccessary life/consciousness,sustainer of life/consciousness.” Wire like neuronal structures that conduct electricity via ions/neurotransmitters in the CNS/PNS possess no attribute of thinking/life and yet that has “randomly” led to life. Consciousness/thinking is an innate idea(“Fitra”)that is distinct from carbon skeleton and yet the materialist scientist believes that chemistry turned into biology(abiogenesis) via “god of randomness”/”Emergent property”/”law of nature”. Limited/Imperfect Consciousness can only stem from Necessary Consciousness (Allah-One/Indivisible/All-Loving/Self-Sufficient Infinite Perfection)…

[@gutsss2967]

@@TheologyMade This world isn't eternal, the other one is.

[@TahaAlhimyary]

Muslims learned from Greeks Romans Persians Indians and Chinese Because they thought it's not a problem to learn from another culture 😊

[@TheologyMade]

Very true

[@mujahidhasan118]

You're mixing a religion with race ethnicity nationality. there's literally a Persian Muslims Indian Muslims and Chinese Muslims And also Arab Muslims. Chinese Indian Persian Greeks they came to Abbasids caliphate to share their knowledge and gain more knowledge from The Golden age of Muslims of Islam whatever you say.

[@TahaAlhimyary]

@mujahidhasan118 you miss understand me What I meant is not a problem to learn from another culture 😅

[@khizerhussain7613]

Muslim is not a race or ethnicity dude, literally Persian, Chinese, Egyptian, Greek muslim exist in the world just check please.

[@loserang2877]

​@@mujahidhasan118😂 but they didn't learn from indian muslim or greek muslim they learnt it from their non muslim population. Stop your islamic propoganda.

[@mujahidhasan118]

finally someone talking about the history of Muslims contributions in human race. there is Persian Muslims, Arabs, Kurdish, Indian, Chinese, African and many many race, culture, ethnicity and nationality.

[@TheologyMade]

🙏🏼

[@JackRoopers]

1:35 It's common for Muslim Scholars to memorize things such as: Al-Qur'an, Hadith Bukhari, Hadith Muslim, Riyadush Shalihin, etc. And those who have an interest in math/science will use the knowledge of memorizing things in their respective fields. I truly hope someday there will be an institution that focusing on Thuwailibul Ilmi and STEM so that we could flourish again as a civilization.

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for checking out the video!

[@buffcommie942]

learning stem through rote memorisation is really, really stupid tbh

[@batosato]

The incoherence of incoherence is a banger. Must read if you enjoy philosophy. Avicenna also wrote "The cosmological argument of God" where he explores the existence of God through universal lenses.

[@TheologyMade]

Yes his arguments on Gods existence was a huge influence on mediaeval Christian theology

[@BenGaeda]

Excellent video, it's been said that , Rene Descartes at some point, must've read some latin translations of Alghazali's work and writings, the story goes that they even found some footnotes on some of Descartes writings saying : "to be copied to our way of reasoning " Of course pointing to those latin translations.

[@TheologyMade]

That’s really interesting. Never heard that. But it makes total sense.

[@Al-Azdi]

I think it’s already known by this time that he copied Alghazali work in “Saviour from error” "المنقذ من الضلال"

[@BenGaeda]

@Al-Azdi Well, the story was told in a more dramatic way by an intellectual of the name " Adnan Ibrahim " in one of his lectures, I had no reason to doubt the truthfulness of the story ,,, but again look at the difference between what westerners did with that principle established or at least mentioned earlier by " Alghazali", Descartes himself, used it to scrutinize a lot of medieval thinking and even elaborated some mathematical principles, and later on ,during the enlightenment years, thinkers especially my favorite one Voltaire, and even scientists were writing and thinking on sound grounds, Voltaire had a ruthless attack on the religious establishments, and religious leaders ,but at the same time he had no problem with God himself , I personally think they were good bodies. On the other hand, arab-muslim ,even the best of them, didn't notice that little sentence or, let's say, neglected it , because the masses were never ready to accept anything new ,and they probably still aren't,,most recently, when "Taha Hussain " in the early 20th century tried to apply that same principle to scrutinize and criticize the authenticity of pre-islamic poetry, he was harshly attacked. Subsequently, ideas and theories are there for those who make good use of them, like oil ,and guys you know who first discovered it..!!!

[@theamazinghippopotomonstro9942]

I respect that you don't write off people's ideas purely because of their faith. I'm agnostic but I study christian and muslim philosophers because they contributed much to humanity's collective knowledge.

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks!

[@Impaled_Onion-thatsmine]

Yeah why not here take this old, ancient Bible kierkegaard and translate it

[@abuqadr629]

Im Muslim and I do the same. That’s the way to go bro. Were all part of humanity and it’s development.

[@Din777-77]

Incredible, It's not often you come across someone who delves into Islamic Philosophy with such a balanced and thoughtful approach. This is genuinely uplifting to see. Subscribed, Thank you

[@TheologyMade]

Really appreciate it!

[@bobbyd6040]

It isn’t too often that you come across a Christian apologist who doesn’t go out of their way to paint Islam in a negative light. Kudos to you. The world would be a better place if we had more people like yourself, in all faiths. Also, I like the GTA style depictions of the philosophers. Excellent work.

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks man, appreciate that!

[@RichardEdwards40]

muslims always paint christians in a bad light. its only ok when you do it?

[@MrSherqi]

@@TheologyMadewe need more people like you!

[@albatross9995]

Brother u missed ibn khaldun.... His "Muqadimah" is considered a masterpiece

[@TheologyMade]

I’ll have to check him out

[@chairforce664]

He's the father of "politcal science"​@TheologyMade

[@michaelalek6490]

@@TheologyMadeIbn Khaldun is also the father of economics. If you ever want to dive into what benevolent capitalism can look like read Ibn Khaldun and Imam Al Ghazali’s works on economics

[@RichardEdwards40]

​@@TheologyMadeibn khakdun was very racist..

[@Nataliah20011]

His views are much more complex than that, and I am aware of the quotes you may reference regarding his views on the "negro". However, it's important to note that this same individual also excused Black people for their lack of civilization, stating that it was not entirely their fault. Additionally, such views on race were common across many regions, including Europe, and his racial views are not central to this discussion. ​@@RichardEdwards40

[@houssambenchiha722]

That was inspiring to see, your channel is deffinitly underrated!

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks so much

[@shahriar4706_]

Have you looked into Ibn Arabi? he's also a very interesting fellow

[@TheologyMade]

Looking up now, super interesting. I appreciate the wide span of so many of these thinkers. Seeing beyond just one single discipline.

[@The_8d-Maestro_1987]

@@TheologyMade Try Nasir el din al Tusi......his works on medicine math and even sexuality in religion

[@donnie1725]

​@TheologyMade the youtube channel 'Let's talk religion' is a great source for this type of stuff. The owner holds a master in the academic study on religions, and goes deep into his subjects and portrays then accurately, without presupposing deep knowledge. Fantastic stuff. I'd recommend his 'Biographies' playlist for getting introduced to specific thinkers!

[@The_8d-Maestro_1987]

@@donnie1725 if ya want try the book called sexuality in Islam by abedel waha bouhidba a former UNESCO worker and a longtime head of the tunisian organization for culture and heritage........that book is more or less a key to understanding many things such as the actual role of men and women in light of the life of the prophet and his companions solely and not on basis of the muhaditheen

[@mody1710]

Great video! Just correction for 1:40 - “I read it 40 times” is an Arabic expression that means “I studied something until I learned it by heart”, it doesn’t actually mean he did that literally. Again, great content!

[@TheologyMade]

Yeah you are right, I missed that! Thanks so much

[@JackMalabar]

This is actually a very good channel. I hope you grow. Watching now.

[@TheologyMade]

Thank you!

[@AssyriacUnitarian]

You sir, have not only done a better job than modern christian Apologist, but also litteraly uplift Western Christianity to a better light, one that understands other religion exists and how it impacted mainstream Christianity. Great stuff, keep it up. I believe videos like these will make Western Christians to live the way Jesus lives with critical thought rather than blindly following tradition

[@TheologyMade]

Wow man, thanks!

[@SOX-9]

Lol. I'm sorry, every important thing in life has traditions people follow. For example, which tradition do you follow in your beliefs about God? Do you think your tradition is right and others should follow it? What is wrong in the traditions of western Christians?

[@Crusader-George]

Much appreciated! I'd also like to point out the interesting part of these things Namely how these brilliant thinkers were underappreciated within their own homeland, their works aren't preserved and burned in the places they called home Yet Christian Europe preserved their works It reflects which part of the world actually cared about science

[@RichardEdwards40]

arrogant statement

[@SOX-9]

@RichardEdwards40 you are very correct. I don't think people know how much learning you need before you can claim some youtube video has made a whole field of endeavour reach a new level. The lack of that realisation is actually a mark of mediocrity

[@TRZVHR]

short but comprehensive .. great work.

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks so much!

[@Chillbooks]

Incredible video, thank you!

[@TheologyMade]

Appreciate it!

[@immortalpickle3104]

12:51 There was a lot of continuation of ibn Sina’s philosophical beliefs by the Mutakalimun, a lot of them disagreed with al Ghazali’s refutation. Western academia like 20 years ago didnt pick this up, but recently it has been I find it interesting that the ordering might be whoever was the most influential to Christian tradition, while I usually imagine it Ibn Sina -> al Ghazali -> ibn Rushd based on who refuted who lol

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for sharing this, I think your ordering for Christian’s is probably accurate.

[@istibey]

I think using their real name will be ideal like - Ibn sina, ibn rushd , Al-Ghazali

[@TheologyMade]

Yeah probably correct

[@istibey]

@@TheologyMade 👍🏻

[@KeyhanHadjari]

He was Persian so he did not use AL in his name, it would be only Ghazali now that you want to be real.

[@istibey]

@KeyhanHadjari His real name was Abu Hamid Muhammad

[@KeyhanHadjari]

@istibey so? His last name was Ghazali not Arabic form Al Ghazali

[@raniayoussef5599]

I commend you, great work. Respect from Egypt 🇪🇬

[@TheologyMade]

Thank you very much!

[@Randomsadi]

1:25 It's not a laughing matter. It's really possible at that time to gain all the knowledge. It was not the information age that there were millions of books. A few thousand books, and you know all the knowledge out there. That's why the salaf used to keep 'Fawaid', because, after few thousands of so books, you get so much repeated information that you have to keep 'fawaid' of the useful information in the book.

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for checking out the video

[@TheIndogamer]

You're mistaking a laugh of disbelief/admiration for laugh of comedy.

[@dmytoe5679]

Why are you pressed

[@1kayo]

If God wanted we could've been agreeing on everything But he didn't for a wise reason Different ways of thinking creates questions and attempting to answer those questions leads to discovery and growth God is the all wise.. the Acquainted

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for checking out the video

[@neunzig1371]

Ngl i always avoided this kind topic due to how difficult to understand. However, your way to deliver the topic make this heavy topic feels light.

[@TheologyMade]

So glad to hear!

[@eyeofhorus99]

Love the Bucco Bruce hoodie. Great video btw.

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks so much!

[@josepfernandez1613]

Amazing video! Ty so much for doing it. I love video-esays, and I love your vibe and your tempo when explaining things. You got a new subscriber, keep it up!

[@TheologyMade]

Aw man, thanks bro!

[@mooripo]

I wish more believers of all religions can openly discuss and support eachother, we definitely need more RECONCILIATION, too much hate has spread recently. Lts of love from a Muslim ❤

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for the kind words

[@SarahZeineldeen]

Love your amusing delivery! Great video!

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks so much!

[@AbdiFrags]

Great video ! Thank you so much.

[@TheologyMade]

Appreciate it!

[@omarkhan9515]

Al Gazali also faced a crises, back in those times books were very rare. some thieves came to rob Al Gazali, he said you could take everything just leave my books I’ve spent years writing it and have my knowledge I have extra money hidden. So the thieves agreed and took his money and the books, when Gazali pleaded the thief said what kind of knowledge is it if a person like me could steal it. In a sad state Gazali thought for days about what the thief said and latter concluded that he was right, knowledge is something more than books he latter confessed it was god that taught him that lesson with the thief’s, tru knowledge is kept within the heart.

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for watching!

[@karaeyed5057]

Amazing lives.. thanks for covering

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for checking it out!

[@ninja3212]

1:39 Actually, this is a metaphor that was used in Ibn Sina's time. What it meant was he had read Aristotle enough to the point where he memorized it, but couldn't make out any meaning because it was all written in lost Greek metaphor. It wasn't until he found a book by Al-Farabi (Alpharabius) wherein Al-Farabi was able to decode the metaphor via trial and error that he was able to understand Metaphysics and iterate on it.

[@TheologyMade]

Interesting

[@danielmasters5484]

An excellent presentation. Thank you!

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks!

[@shanumaverick]

Don’t use their romanized names , they were given those names just to give the idea they were not Muslims .

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for watching! The names were used only for simplicity sake so people new to philosophy could understand them

[@raandomplayer8589]

Don't think that's true bro. I can't pronounce Chinese names and similarly the Latin was not able to pronounce Arabic names. The west is evolution of Latin. That's why they used what the Latin called them. For me, ibn Sina, Al Ghazali is fine and easy enough to say

[@wayfarer9744]

The literally defending islam in their books 😂

[@KeyhanHadjari]

Pretty stupid remark. Grow some brain cells.

[@KeyhanHadjari]

Yes since there are tons of acincennas and averros that are christians.

[@The_8d-Maestro_1987]

finally a guy that goes beyond the boundaries most christians stop at......U get my subscribe

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks bro!

[@Qwerka]

Thank you for this video! ❤

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for taking the time to watch!

[@talib415]

Thank you for helping to bridge a gap. Masha’Allah

[@TheologyMade]

🙏🏼

[@cheikhsalek7695]

Good content! Thank you for your objectivity.

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks so much

[@axch2983]

I'm a deep thinker. forced to be one by Allah. very normal on the outside for most but solo battles with life and reality for 30ish years. i was asking God "Why?" since age 9 as i suffered in private w no understanding or help from those closest. near 35 i stopped thinking. willingly. when you have a guide for reality by the Maker of Reality and life, thinking and questioning reality after that just leads to chaos and confusion. Muslim philosophers realized this. they realized if you have a solution to every problem and guide for right vs wrong, given by the Creator, then why uselessly ponder as limited beings and reach the same result after 1000s of tests and trials which caused many to go astray!

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for checking out the video!

[@axch2983]

@TheologyMade nice video! much appreciated.

[@symtrial]

translated name = Arabic name = name in arabic language 1) Avicenna = Ibn Sina: Abu 'Ali al-Husayn ibn Sina = ابن سينا 2) Averroes = ibn Rushd: Abu'l-Walid Muhammad ibn Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Rushd = ابن رشد 3) Al-Ghazali

[@TheologyMade]

Yes as mentioned in other comments should have used both

[@symtrial]

@@TheologyMade Yo, great video! I'm not trying to sound smart a$$ xD, I'm just translating the name because I was unaware of their equivalent names in Latine or English. Cool names tho

[@KeyhanHadjari]

No Al Ghazali, just Ghazali. He was PErsian not Arab from Saudi.

[@symtrial]

@@KeyhanHadjari No, Al-Ghazali, his full arabic name is " Abu hamid Muhammad ibn Muhammad al-Tusiyy al-Ghazali" he is Being born during Abbasid Caliphate era in what's called today Iran doesn't make him persian. His ancestors settled down in Iran after they defeated the Sassanian Empire. Even his full name is Arab and all of his work in Arabic not on Middle Persian. His relogion is Islam not Zoroastrianism. Do they teach you this in Iran?

[@KeyhanHadjari]

@symtrial he was not Arab. Would be like saying Al Einstein

[@edenk3653]

Thank you for your work and your research.

[@TheologyMade]

🙏🏼

[@victoralfonssteuck]

Awesome video, man.

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks so much!

[@TheBaronQ8]

Wow, excellent work, my friend. I'd love to hear more about Al-Ghazali, specifically about thoughts. look into sydney Banks and the three principles. Thanks for the video, your follower from kuwait 🇰🇼

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks! I’ll have to check out Sydney Banks.

[@TheBaronQ8]

@TheologyMade Oh, you will be intrigued. Thanks for the reply. 👍

[@SH-bl9wh]

Thank you for been unbias. Islamic theology actually sparked from christianity during the age of translation of greek, syriac and others to Arabic.

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for checking out the video!

[@abdelrahmanibrahim4470]

It's great to find a channel that covers the Muslim's great contribution to the philosophical discourse !

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks so much!

[@almedinradoncic3904]

As a Muslim you definitely deserve my subscription much love to Christian brothers and sister . Peace be with you ❤️

[@TheologyMade]

Oh wow, thank you!

[@spuriusfurious]

Great video

[@TheologyMade]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@muhammad-dq6jg]

Good work man

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks!

[@LBVesper]

Great job Jordan! From one Christian enamored by philosophy to another, well done! Always love your humor. It’s as if lil Wayne is writing philosophical/religious humor minus the rhymes but with all the genius lol

[@TheologyMade]

Appreciate you bro!

[@shiraaichan4276]

Wow great video ! I also love the artistics

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks so much!

[@Prudenthermit]

Islamic history is soo interesting ❤

[@TheologyMade]

Very true

[@سلمانقتل]

Great video 👍

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks so much!

[@KlaudiaBelabbar]

What good video!

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks so much

[@tengkubingit4422]

Thank God for your existence and sincerity. Quite rare to see a Christian on the Internet spoke kindly of Islam. I've personally seen a lot of "Christian Apologetics" goes ham when someone spoke of Islam. Thabk you for giving me hope that kind people still exist

[@TheologyMade]

Appreciate the kind words

[@halfwaydead3087]

I mean it's apologetics it's not supposed to be kind

[@tengkubingit4422]

@@halfwaydead3087 nah we talking about straight insanity. Some dude unironically cross dress to proof islam false, an atheist who believe the bible is true and war and terror stuff.

[@Dastan-t1t]

The Heirs of Avicenna: Philosophy in the Islamic East, 12-13th Centuries by Dr Peter Adamson is also a great book if someone wants to know what happens after al ghazali .Cause the Rational Sciences(Logic and Philosphy) in islamic world properly starts after Al Ghazali . Best thing is this book is open access. and there are 2 more parts coming which will also be Open access .GOD Bless Dr Adamson

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for sharing

[@huskee7684]

i wouldn't say it properly starts after al ghazali, he is just part of a long chain of thinkers

[@blususpect]

This was very well made & it’s even more interesting hearing these accounts from a Christians perspective. As a Muslim myself I really enjoyed this.

[@TheologyMade]

Wonderful!

[@MrAl000123]

Great presentation, and superb intellectual food for the brain, I congrats you for such fine work, and I encourage you to continue in this path, there is a lot more than meets the eye. Good luck to you.

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks!

[@yafayafa9601]

Thank u for this info. ❤

[@TheologyMade]

🙏🏼

[@kafakir]

You’re insightful human bro mashallah alhamdulilah ❤

[@TheologyMade]

🙏🏼

[@drangel1345]

Very cool video. Thanks for enlightening me, a muslim.

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for checking out the video🙏🏼

[@MCFoofoo]

@TheologyMade God bless you. I request that next time you do include their real names a couple times so we can all know who you are talking about.

[@TheologyMade]

Yep, you are totally right

[@nightfears3005]

What did the aramaic speaking rabbi who supposedly died for the sins of the world know of Islamic philosophy? Nothing as far as I'm aware.

[@TheologyMade]

These Islamic philosophers came a 1000 years after Jesus.

[@majormohitsharma7701]

What did your profit know about this world when all he can think of is one thing. Your own profit said that you will have the strength of 30 men to do that one thing in your manly heaven. When your own god is busy baiting you to join his religion by promising you that all your desires will be fulfilled in his god, I cant expect to learn anything from them. That's surah 55:56,72-74 and surah 78:31-34.

[@rzkrdn8650]

This is why Islam never condone physical depiction or idolatry. Ideas triumphs! Good video btw, can't believe seeing your subscriber count. here's +1 and to +millions to come, cheers!

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks so much!

[@physicshuman9808]

Thank you so much ✅

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for checking out the video!

[@Scorpionrex-v2]

7:37 better whether man i live in the Arabian peninsula and i haven’t seen a tree in like four months and we have more rain than they did

[@TheologyMade]

Huh?

[@Scorpionrex-v2]

⁠@@TheologyMade ayo isn’t it crazy that at least 70% of what you learn about abrahamic religions history is just the middle easts history like us arabs/jews aka people who came from abrahams nuts have funk ton of lore behind where we came from and who we are

[@Emantarawneh1]

Beautiful. Thank you for this video and the amount of information you have shared. My only wish is that you had used their "short" names rather than the made up names that really made us loose concentration of the information you were sharing. Short names that are actually used in Arabic. Avicenna is simply Ibn Sina, Averoes is simply Ibn Rushd - And thank you, yes, Al Ghazali is actually Al Ghazali. And I just hoped you hadn't made reference to camels in the outset of your video. Most Arabs and Muslims haven't actually seen any camels:) Thanks again and best wishes.

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for sharing.

[@Haruto---遼人]

During the medieval period, particularly the Golden Age of Islam (8th to 13th centuries), Muslim scholars played a crucial role in preserving, translating, and advancing knowledge from various cultures, including ancient Greek, Persian, and Indian civilizations. They translated important Greek philosophical texts, like those of Aristotle and Plato, into Arabic and built vast libraries. The most famous of these was the House of Wisdom in Baghdad, where scholars gathered to translate and preserve knowledge. The Librorum Prohibitorum (The Index of Forbidden Books), which was a list of publications prohibited by the Catholic Church. The church issued it from 1559 to 1966, claiming that certain books were dangerous to the faith. These included works by authors like Galileo, John Locke, and others who promoted ideas that contradicted Church teachings. the Inquisition, during which the Catholic Church, especially in Spain, sought to suppress "heretical" texts and ideas, including books that were considered to challenge Christian doctrine. This included the works of early scientists, philosophers, and even certain religious reformers. There was times when Muslims put their lives on the line to save libraries and books, like in Bagdad and Cairo, which lead us all to be where we are, and not still in dark ages.

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for adding this to the conversation!

[@goodoldfashioned]

I am a Muslim who did a couple of theology and philosophy of religion classes and I have to say I have read people like Aquinas, Boethius and non Christians such as Maimonides. Theology is cool, my message to everyone who sees this, read from everyone, you'll find bits and pieces of wisdom even in non Abrahamic religion. Peace.

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for sharing

[@TheDragonaf1]

Wow a Chrsitian that doesnt use Media trops and emotional complaints (aka non acedemic arguements) when talking about islam? Refreshing. Wonder if hell make a similar video on Greek Roman phylosophy on Christianity before the various councils in the 3rd cen (given were comming to Satrinallia time).

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for watching! I do have some videos that look at the pre-socratics and Ancient Greek philosophy. Haven’t done one specifically looking at Greek philosophy and its influence on the patristic period yet.

[@SOX-9]

What evidence do you have the Saturnallia has influence in Christianity?

[@LuisSalazar-cd3qf]

After reading Soren Kierkegaard I stumbled upon existentialism and of all things Sufism a-la ibn Arabi's work. Really similair stuff

[@immortalpickle3104]

Could you give me a recommendations of both

[@TheologyMade]

That’s interesting, hadn’t drawn that correlation with Kierkegaard

[@Dastan-t1t]

Also his critique was not of philosophy as a whole .It was critique of some ideas of peripatetic school of metaphysics(avecinan school) . The eternity of of the creation is not against islam nor this was his argument .His argument was about some infinities gets bigger then other infinities if the universe was eternal .i.e the earth would have completed more orbits around the sun than jupiter and if the universe is eternal then earth has completed more infinite orbits then jupiter .Which to him was absurd

[@TheologyMade]

That depends on how you interpret the word philosophy. In how we define philosophy in today’s context he was critiquing it (I.e. metaphysics, epistemology, and so on). However, in the past philosophy also encompassed physics, logic, mathematics and other disciplines, in that sense no, he was not critiquing the whole

[@Dastan-t1t]

@@TheologyMade The thing is there exited philosophical systems other then avicinan one so it would be more appropriate to say that he was critiquing ideas of peripatetic school .The book "Tahafut al falasifa" meaning "The incocherence of the falasifa" .Falsifa is another name for peripatetic philosophers in Islamic tradition .

[@MahmudHasan-me]

Bro why Don't you cover the polymath who is also known as the "best Muslim historian" Ibn khaldun Edit: maybe a prt 2?

[@TheologyMade]

Interesting 🧐 maybe there is a need for part 2

[@MahmudHasan-me]

​@@TheologyMadeDear brother I saw someone recommend you ibn Arabi I think part 2 could be Ibn khaldu, Ibn arabi and Rumi

[@abdulhakimaldarhoubi3747]

Where can I find the thumbnail picture?

[@TheologyMade]

Of course! Here is a link for it: cdn.midjourney.com/3cc4e698-2cec-443b-9b6c-6382f5f3ee7b/0_0.png

[@yomnaelsherif50]

Please call them by their real muslim names Avicenna - Ibn Sina Averroes - Ibn Rushd

[@TheologyMade]

As mentioned in previous comments responses, yes I should have included both

[@jimmmy7680]

Thats a cold thumbnail

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for watching!

[@Mikir-Dulu]

thanks,..respect from muslim,..you did a great video,..

[@TheologyMade]

Appreciate that 🤜🏼

[@mirrezaultarique3437]

Great work considering the time restraint you had. I wish people would grow out of their anti Islam bias and consider the developments happened in that time in more details…

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks!

[@AzzaZazza-y9h]

WOnderfully summarised, new sub here

[@TheologyMade]

Glad you liked it!

[@shah5182]

im a muslim with an interest in theology and this video was very much appreciated, thank you. it sounds like chatGPT wrote it however, was it?... but really appreciate you presenting

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks man! No ChatGPT didn’t write it

[@The_8d-Maestro_1987]

brother if ya want i got books on sexuality within Islam and the history of Arab literature....if interested do tell

[@hkhan3535]

In fact, the origin of scientific method was from an Islamic scientist, Ibnu Al-Haytham, who's also the inventor of the camera obscura. In the Quran, God encourage human being to learn and study His creations because by doing this, we'll learn how incredible the wisdom of God and thus, make us closer to God, which is why scientific study was very extensive during the golden age of Islam (8th - 14th century).

[@TheologyMade]

The origin really started with the presocratics, however it was Islamic scientists who expanded it

[@anees_burki]

Good video. It is crazy how many people think that Al-Ghazali eliminated the use of use of logic in islamic world while his works lies on the fundations of logic.

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for checking it out

[@brightfuturetuitionsystem6779]

Al ghazali all the time great philosopher and explains Islam very intellectual way...

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for watching

[@Goodborni]

There are no Philosophers in Islam, a famous Scholarly quote. Further Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen [رحمه الله] said: ‎“And therefore there is nothing, in my view, more harmful to Muslims in their aqeedahs (beliefs) than philosophy and that which is similar to philosophy." ‎[Explanation of Hilyah Talib al-ʿIlm by Shaykh ibn Uthaymeen, Pg. 28] And every Scholar refuted Philosophy, as it being something that was derived from the Greeks, and made people deviate. May Allah keep us guided on the straight path

[@TheologyMade]

Not so sure Ibn Sina would agree with you

[@Goodborni]

@@TheologyMade Not so sure I care or follow Ibn Sina, I am a Muslim. He has been debunked, warned against by literally every notable Scholar. One of many of his blunders, are: 1. Ibn Sina supported the Aristotelian idea that the universe is eternal, contradicting the Islamic belief that Allah created the universe ex nihilo (from nothing). 2, He emphasized the immortality of the soul but seemed to downplay or reject the physical resurrection, which is a core tenet of Islamic faith. 3. He argued that God only knows universals, not particulars, which contradicts the Islamic teaching that Allah has perfect and complete knowledge of everything. This is just to name a few, so once again there are no Philosophers in Islam

[@Atb555]

Excellent video, subbed. Side note is the image of the three an AI generate image?

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks Yes! I posted a link in an earlier comment with it

[@abdulazizabdul3076]

It’s ibn sena not avicedna for the love of god

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for checking out the video

[@Chemical1Objectivity]

Great info. Well presented. I’d suggest avoiding the witty remarks, they’re quite annoying.

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for the feedback

[@osamabinstackin3361]

Ibn Sina* Ibn Rushd* 0:39

[@TheologyMade]

Thanks for watching

[@KhalilAndani]

Good point; also talk to some living Islamic philosophers

[@TheologyMade]

Who are some good ones?

[@KhalilAndani]

@@TheologyMademyself, and many others

[@Zaatar_Honey]

Anyone but this guy, he is not a Muslim but an ismaili clown disbeliever who worships Aga Khan's fat ass.

[@iamleoooo]

@@TheologyMadeSayyed Hossein Nasr is a perennial philosopher, a prominent scholar aswell. Syed Naquib Al Attas is a prolific writer. He is currently living in USA but is think he is too old for you to do an interview with him. He is in his 90s already

[@----f]

​@@iamleooooDon't forget Hasan Spiker !

[@anarchistalhazen7084]

Ibn Taimyyah is also one of the GOATs but often very misunderstood and misrepresented.

[@immortalpickle3104]

I think there is a bias in scholarship on those who influenced Western thinkers as well as more esoteric Sufis, I also don’t think there is much studying of Hanbali Fiqh as compared to Shafi’i and especially Hanafi in academia. As of right now there is only John Hoover as the main figure I think mostly lol but in a couple decades there will probably be more- especially since Hoover misses on some stuff. Ibn Taymiyya’s critique of Greek theology and thoughts on language is very overlooked for just being basic or “anthropomorphic” or “literalism”

[@immortalpickle3104]

For Christians, I think there is overlap in particular with critiques of divine simplicity and him being pro-divine “temporality” or believing in volitional attributes I had saw on tiktok a Christian refuting I think a Thomist using Ibn Taymiyya lol But I think ibn Taymiyya’s relevance is more in epistemological approach in reason and revelation, so his foundation can be appropriated by Christians but not his arguments as much May Allah have mercy on him Edit: also post-Aristotelian thought maybe is something to look at

[@TheologyMade]

Very interesting.

[@nsayyed5469]

No one took his thoughts seriously his philosophy against cosmological argument is soo weak

[@nsayyed5469]

And please don't make him bigger then he is, just cuz people with oil money aka Wahabis used his extremely problematic ideas and supported him that doesn't make him big scholar, even hambalis reject his opinions watch shiykh Yusuf bin Sadiq al hanbali' s video.

[@Dasyuhan]

Avicenna was not persian but northen iranian. Persia is in southern iran

[@TheologyMade]

No, he was from Bukhara, which functioned as one of the main centres of Persian civilization, rather he did much of his work in Iran

[@Dasyuhan]

@TheologyMade bukhara is exactly in Northern iran. Not even close to persia that is in southern iran

[@Mjölnir-þ]

​@TheologyMade dude did you even read what he said? Bukhara is northen iran (Present day Uzbekistan) not persia. He properly never ever went to persia. He was from north iran exactly

[@Abuamina001]

The book "Islam Between East and West" by Alija Izetbegovic might also be a useful read here. That and the novel "Death and the Dervish" by Mese Selimovic.

[@TheologyMade]

Sounds like a good read

[@sajedamurad244]

Do u use AI for the scripts? 🧐

[@TheologyMade]

I use AI a lot for the backgrounds and visual pieces (specifically I use Mid-Journey), I will use AI for ideas, and as an editor (example: did I make this sound simple enough?) but not to write the whole script.

[@drthvdr2802]

@@TheologyMadeAI should never be used. You should feel ashamed.