Why Isn't Enamorus In Modern Pokemon Games? - Pokemon Legends Arceus Theory

[@Stinkoman87]

She saw the Hisuian forms dying out and decided to shepherd the remaining populations to another location where they would be safe. She'll come back with them soon.

[@AceAureus]

AKA gen 9 apparently

[@KagepazRequiem]

That sounds cool 😎

[@kyledorey9459]

Better than my idea that she was napping for a few hundred years

[@Goosecognito]

But wouldn’t the Hisuian forms adapt and migrate to their respective original regions?

[@broggy52]

@@kyledorey9459 well she is a genie so it makes sense

[@DryBones271]

I think in the Unova remakes they shouldn't make the Forces of Nature exclusives, what they should do is make each one available in different areas in the post game, but only during certain seasons. Enamourus during Spring, Landerus Summer, Thunderus Autumn, and Tornadus Winter.

[@buhgingo2933]

That fucking sucks I don’t want to have to wait a whole year to catch them

[@jordynisboredyn]

@@buhgingo2933it only takes a month to change the seasons.

[@buhgingo2933]

@@jordynisboredyn don’t care I’m not waiting months either

[@treek10k]

Now people want gen 5 remakes. Lol!

[@zoranadraws]

@@buhgingo2933 It's better than being forced to trade your legendary pokemon away in hopes you get them back.

[@thepencil448]

"Dialga and Palkia are actually seeing younger versions of their old trainers who have died" Perhaps that's why their catch rate is so high, 10x higher than any other legendary.

[@lurkingone7079]

Dialga being the deity of time probs realises quick that the version they saw of their old trainer before was a future time travelled version. Kinda sad to see that while it´s another version it is not the same version yet. That current dialga will only travel with the young version till that one leaves.

[@VolticWind]

That actually makes way too much sense.

[@MikeTheEnforcer]

Wouldn't the protagonist be able to time travel when they obtain a piece of Arceus?

[@lurkingone7079]

@@MikeTheEnforcer Would that part of Arceus allow them to time travel?

[@vicentperis5833]

@@lurkingone7079 the peenus

[@iv5480]

I will say I love the fact that they're bringing new legendary Pokémon like they did RegiDraco in Regieleki Bringing the old trios into relevancy I hope they do it with Scarlet and Violet

[@reshiramtube4475]

Apprently they are meant to be doing a new legendary trio regional variants

[@TomsSauce]

I did particularly like it with the new Regis, considering the "master" Regi was introduced after Rock, Ice and Steel. Definitely hoping to see more additions to trios

[@plpfangyrl]

I wouldn't be surprised to see new (a) elemental dog(s) in the new games. Edit: Saw this comment again and realized I may be right if the Scarlet and Violet DLC gives us the Fusion Dog.

[@reshiramtube4475]

@@plpfangyrl I want to have a fire and fairy Suicune an electric fairy Entei and a Water fairy Raikou

[@iceman3317]

I would love to see a new Lati pokemon. Make it yellow so they can finish the primal colors.

[@VolticWind]

The whole AlderXCynthia thing seems like a huge stretch to me. That was an anime only thing that never panned out. The real reason I think she stays at a villa in Undella Town is because she’s an archeologist and Undella Town is literally right next to the sunken Abyssal Ruins.

[@saphiriathebluedragonknight375]

The villa is Caitlin's.

[@dealuxe_7545]

Cynthia is friends with Caitlyn (the Psychic E4). If you played gen 4 and heard from Cynthia (in Undella town) that "she's staying at a friend's villa," you can correctly conclude that Caitlyn was that 'friend' of hers.

[@Doopyhpp]

Same

[@naurrr2471]

@@dealuxe_7545 It's also basically confirmed in Pokémon Masters

[@RGC_animation]

Although we still ship Alder x Cynthia :)

[@ProfessorMor]

I dunno, I feel more like Alder didn't get sent from the future to the past but instead the other way around. He was the hero in the past in ancient Hisui and was sent forward in time to Unova where he would eventually become the champion. Would explain why he carries so many Pokeballs on him despite the rules saying you can only carry six as well as his issues with technology and why he dosent use a PC to store his Pokemon and instead keeps them on his person at all times. Man from the past would feel strange about turning Pokemon into "data" and putting them in a "computer" instead of letting them graze on a ranch when they aren't actively being used.

[@oddcurtis3090]

I think that's just the native unovan living style

[@skyturret88]

I agree that it's probably the other way around, at least that makes more sense to me. Like Toby said, we know it's not the first round of wormholes their in Hisui. Maybe Alder went to stop Volo and he got sucked through into modern Unova.

[@ProsecutorZekrom]

The whole reason why he is theorised to have come from the future is that it shows him having pokeballs before they were invented - modern ones, in fact. So he must have come from the future.

[@hhjan594]

In short, I believe Enamorus is living with Cogita in modern days. But this builds up upon another popular theory in the Japanese community: Cogita is somehow immortal. This isn't very farfetched since AZ is also immortal and lived for thousands of years. This theory popped out because a couple reasons, two of which are mentioned in this video. One of them is that Enamorus was mentioned in the Old Verses, and a lot of the verses are just carrying the words from ancient people including the lore of Hisui that Cogita is passing down. But the author didn't leave like the other Celestica People, but rather stayed in Hisui, and this author is good buddies with Enamorous and flying around the region, I wonder who this person is... Second of all is, Cogita specifically pointed out that you the player will die. This actually is hinting that she does not die like normal people, rather saying she knows she will outlive you. I'm not sure how it feels in the English text, but in Chinese (when I'm playing) it really sounds like she is saying after you die Enamorus will come back to her, so she is "temporarily" letting you have her. There are also some subtle hints like Cogita saying how life is long and painful, she acts like she really has seen a lot of people and places, but she is living alone in an isolated place. Speaking of this, she doesn't look like she has any family, like her parents, her spouse, or her kids. We know Volo is somehow related to her be definitely not the closest member of her family. If she is immortal this actually makes sense since any people who don't age will freak out any people who know them. In short, I believe Cogita helped build the Celestic Town in the Ancient Retreats, left her descendent in charge if the town (likely Cynthia's grandmother or great grandmother), then left the town along with Enamorus to another isolated place to live her life with Enamorus again. It's actually a popular theory in the Japanese community that not only Cogita, but Volo is actually immortal too. They provided some Japanese text of the Hiker in Sinjho Ruins that he actually speaks like Volo in the Japanese text. This cannot be seen in English, because in Japanese there are multiple phrases that can refer to the same thing but are used by different people like Volo refers to himself in a very special way in Japanese (But it is just translated into "I" in English). Also the hiker outfit somehow does look like Volo's merchant outfit but in a different color palette. This person is alone with Cynthia in a ruin that is heavily worshiping Arceus, if he is Volo then that makes total sense.

[@hhjan594]

Oh yeah, this theory actually works perfectly with the Alder Cogita shipping thing, because if Cogita is immortal, then she is the author of the old verses, which means she really has met Alder in the past.

[@dks9151]

Funny bc there is also a theory of Cynthia being inmortal too

[@SilveeYT]

I'll be Cogita's spouse. (¬ ᴗ ¬)ﾉ

[@rejuno1991]

@EL Also just ask the part of arceus he himself gave to the protagonist. Im pretty sure thats basically a timetravel machine and the protag had proved their worth

[@gamezx]

I'm wondering, with enamorus being given the title of "god of spring" who brings on spring, are they subtly trying to rebrand the forces as the bringers of the seasons? We've got enamorus outright being called the one who brings spring, landorus who enriches the ground to grow bountiful crops for summer, thundurus who brings storms common in fall, and in this game tornadus causing blizzards for winter

[@gabriellockwood2780]

It's the Chinese mythology, "The Four Auspicious Beasts". Which is a misleading title even, as the 4 beasts have a 5th leader "Golden" Beast...

[@gamezx]

@@gabriellockwood2780 For what's a well known and popular group in mythology, it would be a complete and total shame if they wasted the idea on this group of highly forgettable and disliked legendaries. I really hope some day they give us a REAL version of the 4 beasts and just hope people forget these ones

[@Kuu-n-koi2317]

I would think landorus would be autumn, since crops are harvested in autumn and for me personally thunderstorms are far more common in summer

[@paperip1996]

Well, Gen 5 was the one that had the changing seasons mechanic, and presumably B&W will be the next games up for remakes...

[@gabriellockwood2780]

@@paperip1996 BW/B2W2 could be remade... Or just straight-up BW3/"Gray" but in 3D lol

[@Prince_Spoopy]

I’m glad you put up this theory. Tbh I just assumed that Enamorus died sometime between modern day and Legends Arceus. Could Kyurem (or the original) dragon have been a part of why Enamorus disappeared? After all she does hate the cold. Maybe Kyurem killed or drove Enamorus out of Unova?

[@GumCow]

That's a good theory. Or there's two or more sets of the forces of nature, and because of Kyruem, the enamorus in Unova died.

[@lillrice27]

Pokémon legends kyurem

[@buhgingo2933]

Cogita confirms that she is immortal

[@Twz6790]

This is why we need to get more Legends Arceus styled games so that we can learn more about how other regions in the Pokemon world were like before the modern day. I mean we get some clues in the form of ruins and stories from NPCs and what-not but it's not the same as actually being in the past and experiencing those events yourself. I would even go as far as to say that I would prefer that we either get one set in Johto's past or Unova's past over us getting Scarlet/Violet this year.

[@VJT5370]

Imagine Pokemon Legends: Johto The Bell Tower......

[@a-bomb777]

My own theories 1. Enamorus is the first legendary to go extinct 2. When her brothers migrated to Unova she migrated somewhere else

[@SamuraiBill]

although since Cynthia DOES study ancient sinnoh, she may have gone to Unova to catch her own braviary to potentially learn something about hisuian braviary as simple as that.

[@skellington1103]

The things around "Alder's neck" is most likely wooden balls. My theory for why Enamorous isn't in Unova is because she is most likely in the region of Scarlet and Violet protecting Pokémon that is mainly endangered or extinct, it answers why Hisuian Zoroark is in Pokémon SV when it was a mon from at least 200yrs ago. Also I think that Enamorous may have something to do with the villain story.

[@AceAureus]

No obviously the wooden balls around Alder's neck are dead Hisuian Voltorb. Clearly

[@Retro_Red]

They're probably prayer beads or a part of those pendants with a charm to ward off evil.

[@skellington1103]

@@Retro_Red probably as it seems like the "ancient hero" comes from a time in which most folklore would be created

[@highpotthesis7413]

Am I the only one who thinks the Hero of Sinnoh was Alder's son/Benga's father?

[@skellington1103]

@@highpotthesis7413 don't know who benga is and if that is Alder's son....... W H O I S T H E M O M ?

[@KLGB76]

I like the idea of Enamorous being stuck in a time loop. Maybe Alder gave Enamorous to Cogita, Cogita gave it to the Legends protagonist, after traveling with the Legends protagonist, Enamorous went back to Cogita who gave her to Cynthia who then traded her for Alder's Braviary before Alder went back in time. That sounds crazy and I love it.

[@userious258]

That's really convoluted. If you look closer at the supposedly Alder picture the pokeballs he has is the old ones so there's a chance, it's just an ancestor.

[@isplat927]

@@userious258 either that or they could just be beads over her necks.

[@userious258]

@@isplat927 Yeah

[@Twz6790]

@@userious258 Yeah it's gotta be an Alder ancestor and not Alder himself. I mean time travel as we know is a real thing in the Pokemon world but it's not an everyday occurrence and usually it's not something you can trigger whenever you want or need to. Also like in the case of the protagonist in Legends Arceus, it's a one way road so if you mysteriously find yourself in the past one day then chances are you're not going to be able to make it back to the present day.

[@alfiethomas5632]

I just presumed she went extinct along with the Hisuian forms. I guess this would mean that Sinnoh and the rest of the Pokemon world get plunged into eternal Winter, but perhaps that's why Landorus is trio leader; he doesn't just bring the harvest, he now has to bring the spring too.

[@AlphineWolf]

Actually I think he's doing 3 jobs. There's a missing 5th one. The 5th is apparently something like arceus but is a dragon. And leads the group. Thunderus is supposed to be spring one. Emaorous is the winter one while Lando is supposed to be autumn. Tornaus is summer.

[@-w-4252]

@@AlphineWolf i autumn, winter and spring but i most certainly do not like landorous or enamorous

[@ShubhadaKAMBLE3016]

@@AlphineWolf 5th one is probably unovian original dragon who was split into reshiram zekrom and kyurem

[@manchovies2476]

Hisuian forms are not extinct. At least, not all of them. Perhaps Enamorus is preserving them in some way? But Zoroark is in the ScarVio trailer, and assuming they don't change anything, it's still in.

[@fruit3193]

The Abundant Shrine and the Celestic Town shrine both remind me of Celebi’s shrine in Ilex Forest. I’m honestly surprised you didn’t mention it and mention the Sinjoh Ruins connection. Another fun implication in the game is that Legendaries can leave whenever they want, even if you’re still alive. They just choose to stick around, because you’ve proven yourself worthy. Oh great, the Alder theory… I don’t think the “paradox” works, even if Alder *was* the Ancient Hero. Furthermore, I think that if/when the player returns to the present, they canonically leave all of their Pokémon behind. (Home connectivity isn’t canon.) Honestly, I think Enamorus is probably just roaming the world and wasn’t in other regions at the times of those games. I realize that’s sort of a boring answer, but it seems the most logical to me.

[@Twz6790]

That makes sense, it could've been an instance of being in the wrong place at the wrong time which is why you can't see or catch Enamorus in the previous games.

[@shinigamimiroku3723]

Occam's Razor.

[@charlien6123]

In Celibi’s case it’s related to dialga

[@koitern8785]

There have been many instances of Pokemon casually leaving their pokeballs on a whim, like Psyduck, or wobafett. Other pokemon can just abandon their trainers and just leave, even if they were caught. Team Rocket has attempted to steal Pokemon many times which wouldn't make any sense if the trainers could just return them to their balls Edit: wasn't there a farfetch'd that was under someone's ownership in HGSS that needed to be cornered before it could be returned?

[@toypikachutheoctoling6029]

Enamorus might have been a hint towards Scarlet and Violet so maybe we can see this pokemon in these games heck what region it was originally from might be the region from gen 9

[@DemonEyeXGamer]

Spanish and Portuguese(the two main languages of the Iberian peninsula on which SV will take place) are romance languages.

[@toypikachutheoctoling6029]

@@DemonEyeXGamer yep and enamorus is the love - hate Pokemon so maybe it's there version of the genie trio maybe

[@DemonEyeXGamer]

@@toypikachutheoctoling6029 exactly what I was thinking.

[@PragMagik]

“Because they’re chibi. No no no cut that” proceeds to leave it in. 😂 glad you left it in.

[@BirdKeeperToby]

Ahahah yeah Barra my editor friend is a gem

[@sharktenko267]

There is actually another theory that perhaps the reason theres a shrine in sinnoh is because enamerous lives there And the reason you cant find her in diamond pearl platinum or in there remakes is cause you dont have all three of the male forces of nature

[@bigledian4008]

I have a silly theory that oricorio potentially hinted to the recent pokemon games.The pom pom style for galar to reference the cheering crowds in the stadiums. Sensu style for legends arceus to represent traditional japan, and a lot of npc's and customisation options are kimonos. Baile style, which is a representation of flamenco dancing that originates from spain, which s/v are seemingly based on.

[@Necrostevo]

I always appreciate the acknowledgement of the "it's a game" part of the theories. Getting that out of the way early allows the real discussion to begin!

[@Gzilla313]

I wish in a generation the professor hands you and two friends a choice of one of three legendary Pokemon as your starter, and the story is you training the legendary and helping it fulfill its role as a regional guardian. The evil team has the trio's master, and you have to stop them. Having your goal to become regional guardian and gym leaders checking your progress in raising the legendary is more interesting than fill another pokedex.

[@dandytv1510]

I like that idea. Makes me care more about legendaries.

[@sylvie_on]

Sounds like a good spinoff idea

[@Will5353_]

I would they hand an untrained trainer a legendary

[@Gzilla313]

@@Will5353_ I was thinking along the lines of Lillie and Nebby.

[@primarinegaming6761]

That sounds really boring

[@dustinbenzel8704]

Given that we don't see new Pokemon until their main region comes out, isn't it just more likely that Enamorus is just chilling in a different region and just never went back to the previous generation regions until of course we actually meet her in said region? So if Enamorus can be found in Scarlet and Violet maybe then we might see her in Unova in remakes or some Unova themed future title. Or even better, given the amount of locations the player cannot visit due to the programming of the game, like how you can't go to Johto from a Kanto themed game even though Johto is a region that exists (and can only go to Kanto when Johto is the main theme because of the game because of 2nd generation) perhaps there's a location in the Unova region that you just aren't able to access where Enamorus was there the whole time, you just weren't allowed to go there due to the limitations of the game.

[@kingjezza6567]

I wouldn't mix game limitations with lore... that could get confusing, whilst you have valid points, I don't see it being true here..... They could have easily added a cave somewhere in Unova where Enamorous lives.....

[@wizzlibizzli]

@@kingjezza6567if they didn't have the idea for enamorus at the time, (which they most likely did not) then no, i don't think they would've added an area just for enamorus YEARS before she'd make her debut.

[@periandirep]

Didn't Alder have an " Original partner " that's said to have passed away? What if it was Enamorous? I know a lot of people say it's Volcarona - but it's fun to think about.

[@vanguardRailgun924]

I completely forgot about that!

[@Thestandprouder]

It has been confirmed in the PWT lines that the pokémon that passed away was indeed a Volcarona.

[@varenemerald]

I actually like their humanoid forms. Like they look badass to me. Magical buff genies capable of benchpressing your opponent

[@dandytv1510]

Same. I just wish their designs weren't so copy-paste.

[@matthewbooth8487]

I think there's a decent case to be made that enamorus, being the herald of spring, hasn't shown up in other games because she's where the season of spring is. Either that or she finds her "brothers" intolerable; she wasn't in Unova because all three of her brothers were there. For a third theory: maybe enamorous is the one that follows landorus; Tornadus causes wind, Thundurus causes storms (making them both annoying to civilisation), Landorus appears thereafter to heal the land (and so gets the press for cleaning up his brothers' mess), and Enamorus comes after him, and thus she comes in times of peace when nobody's expecting one of the genies about. She's not in BW because your protagonist stopped looking after they found Landorus, assuming the quartet was complete.

[@AlphineWolf]

You also need to remember and realize that there's a 5th unreleased member of the group. The 5th genie is a dragon that commands the other 4. The genies themselves and their therian form Is based on Chinese mythology. The entire group has a 3rd form. A dragon form. That part is still unreleased.

[@fuckit8170]

Im glad you posted this....few people might not know that.but ever since they released her i realized that.it was pretty simple after that

[@AlphineWolf]

@@fuckit8170 because these are "unova" legendaries so people don't connect right away. Imo these are actually the 4kids butcher versions. The Digimon and Beyblade versions have somewhat the right typing. So I'm thinking we still have the original variants with their original typing still to be released. Which means we have the 5th genie, 3rd form. And their original variant and all 3 forms still to be released. Emaorous probably got delayed because they couldn't figure out how to butcher him properly until Saban gave them an idea with their dub of Cure Peace a.k.a Pikachu. Thunderus is the only legendary that didn't get the 4kids treatment lol. He's just based on Sailor Jupiter who uses electric attacks

[@kyledorey9459]

There is the possibility that, as it can't be opened, she just hangs out in that shrine, maybe some of the reason Cynthia is so interested in ruins even

[@danielstokes2127]

I’m thinking that the weather quad will have a season mechanic where they will only appear in certain seasons. Pokemon black and white are the first games to introduce seasons as a mechanic and Enamorus is the herald of spring so the other legendaries might take on the other seasons!

[@nolanconnelly5339]

I thought your theory was awesome Toby! Cynthia’s Braviary and the connection with the seasons were great details 👍🏻

[@ariellegrenierkersey8965]

I like this theory! I always kind of just assumed Enamorus went back to Cogita, but this creates a really interesting chain

[@sylvie_on]

Just wanted to correct something: Celestic town is the oldest town in sinnoh, with “celesticans” being the original inhabitants. In PL:A however, where celestic town in located in DPPt is instead the celestica ruins, so the original town was most likely destroyed and then rebuilt. The ancient retreat’s location is completely inaccessible in DPPt, so it’s not where celestic town was built, it’s an entirely different location.

[@ShayTheValiant]

7:46 That's not Cynthia's house. It belongs to a friend of hers. Cynthia says she's staying with her so she can investigate the Abyssal Ruins.

[@Mello-208]

1:18 honestly this is so iconic, that quote combined with the sunglasses. amazing

[@copocopocopocopo]

8:08 There's also that one cave that they said was a link between Unova and Sinnoh. I remember being disappointed that we didn't have a FireRed/LeafGreen-like situation where we could travel to two generations, because the description made it sound like we might be able to.

[@molo3517]

You mean heartgold and soulsilver?

[@copocopocopocopo]

@@molo3517 Yeah. My b.

[@Pnibbutter]

Enamorous gifts her trainer immortality (hence the numerous hearts, like adding lives in a video game) . She’s probably the reason Volo and Cogita were able to live for so long and “time travel.” She’s more than likely still living with our trainer, keeping our trainer alive in modern day, hence her not being available for capture. Also add in the fact her other form is a turtle, the symbol of longevity and she represents spring, so youth and revival.

[@MagusAgrippa8]

Another thing I've seen people consider. What if Cogita is extremely long lived? If Cogita is still alive back in the time of modern Unova, it's possible Enamorus is still hanging around her.

[@PhantomWolfDX]

Great theories. Considering you said Legendaries might live a long time and we know baby Legendaries exists, how about Hisuin being the mating region of the Forces of Nature. You catch them shortly after the mating season ended. Then after the character dies, the male Forces of Nature head to Unova, while Enamorus is producing the next generation of Forces in a different region, which is why it is not in Unova. Then the Forces we catch in Scarlet and Violet are either the off-spring of Enamorus, with the Enamorus of the four also being next generation, or it being the Hisuin Enamorus with male Forces off-spring.

[@seidenfuchs]

Yea but in the long run it would be inbreeding and causing problems.. also it’s stated that they’re immortal like most legendary Pokémon..

[@primarinegaming6761]

That’s really 😧😟

[@snowblossom4961]

Theirs an entire poem about how Enamorus hates the cold. The answer is therefore it’s too cold for them and they’re hiding somewhere warmer. Yes Alola is still too cold.

[@vanguardRailgun924]

Then why would she be in Sinnoh/Hisui which is by far the coldest region? Does she like Cogita that much?

[@snowblossom4961]

@@vanguardRailgun924 cogita is on the warmer side of the continent but also due to time period of it’s possible poke-earth is going through its first period of climate change so therefore everything is beginning to warm up. It’s also implied in the poem that if it’s cold Enamorus just ghosts Cogita.

[@tsizzle7883]

I was sure the direction this was going was you were going to say Cynthia WAS Enamorus

[@DemonEyeXGamer]

Should be noted a few things. Enamorus could just be chilling in Sinnoh and yes both times. While the Unova games do have a season mechanic its entirely possible the games do have a canon season, or rather period of time, which id suspect is the tailend of winter or beginning of spring. This would allow Enamorus to be over doing its groundhog day thing in Sinnoh while also explaining the cold of Unova(cause of the ties to Kyurem). As for the Braviary thing, Cynthia being Cynthia could have just caught it because she knows Sinnohs history and myths and was all "when in Unova should use Braviary" and it should be noted at that, it replaces her (platinum team) Togekiss who starting with gen 6 is Fairy/Flying the same type as Enamorus. Granted this would hold more credit if she had Basculin instead of Electross, but even then Togekiss replaced her Gastrodon which was a water type pokemon with two forms.

[@silversonic1]

Apparently there's only one Braviary... Simplest answer, Enamorous was captured by someone else who hasn't been in a region while game plots were happening. Also, if Enamorous is in a time loop, you either create a paradox where there are two of the same one always existing in the same period of time within the loop (snake eating it's own tail) or you continually spawn parallel realities as she loops through time, constantly living only in the past. But then there's also Home. When Home compatibility is added, Enamorous can be pulled from her current time and reality and moved to future games, like Scarlet and Violet. So in a way, a mechanic of the franchise can explain her disappearance.

[@The_One_In_Black]

Having looked more closely at these paintings - Those are definitely not modern PokeBalls.

[@goggles8691]

A counterpoint to that is that this is a painting so they were painted incorrectly because they were something that didn't exist yet and they just weren't sure what they are

[@alexanderelderhorst2107]

ENAMORUS IS IN THE GS BALL! I FIGURED IT OUT! I mean think about it, they show up in Hisui and Celestic town has a shrine. They show up in Sinnoh and there's a shrine. In HG/SS the shrine in the forest looks like those other shrines. What else is in gen 2? The GS ball! Yeah the shrine is most likely re-used assets, and it's used for the celebi event, but I mean celebi is found in other ways than in the GS ball, and keep in mind celebi is a legendary that can time travel which is related to Dialga having domain over time itself. Perhaps Enamorus and Celebi became good friends due to celebi being a grass type protector of the forest and Enamorus being the god of spring, and Celebi sticks around the shrine as it wants to get help to find a way to release its friend from the GS ball. I mean I don't care what anybody else thinks, I think that's a great theory!

[@dragonmaster1006]

that picture of Alder probably isn't the hero as the Celestia had long since left and the hero dead long before diamond and pearl clan came to hisui, and I doubt they have records of what the hero looks like in such detail. The picture likely be just a clan leader before the clan sects split..

[@ModernDayOtaku]

Hey Toby! Loved this theory it was just so fun. Plus, your sweatshirt is epic. Great video! Thanks for being awesome.

[@colepryor8651]

I just don’t like that time travel is a thing now cause now everyone just says oh this person is a time traveler. Alder is not a time traveler he is just a relative of the ancient hero. Same how Archie and Maxie are not time travelers lol it makes no sense. They wouldn’t just go back to the future and not talk about it or change their whole characters from who they were in the past. Like I highly doubt Archie and Maxie went from worshiping dialga and palkia to wanting to change the environment using groundon and kyogre. IF they all are time travelers it would create a new timeline I’m sure where they don’t exist in modern pokemon games.

[@jembozaba4864]

Pretty sure Enamarous was the hardest challenge for me. Just trying to catch up to her, I was defeated so many times

[@ShiningJudgment666]

Oh god it was brutal.

[@ThatAnArchyDude]

ORRRRR... Enamorus was ALWAYS in Sinnoh, but you couldn't encounter it because it would only appear if you prove yourself by catching Tornadus, Thunderus, and Landorus...just like in Legends Arceus? However, this is impossible in Sinnoh because Tornadus, Thunderus, and Landorus can't be found there anymore & you can't just move them BACKWARDS into Sinnoh because the Sinnoh player character has/had no idea the quartet exists/existed?

[@jakedickman756]

It is as good of a theory as any other Pokémon will have to make some reason why she never showed up in the previous games

[@lurkingone7079]

Maybe it was just hanging out in a different Region (Scarlet and Violet) perhaps. Legendaries are also long lived. A human life may just be a day for them. A nice day but still not a long time. Cogita also kinda implied that she will outlive the trainer so maybe through some ancient mystic rituals she is basically immortal and Enamorus always returns to her. Also the pokedex does state that it punishes those who doesn't respect life. Maybe it is in some different region to hide the hisuian forms she took there to protect from humans. As a protector of life. And so we can encounter and catch those forms in later games. Maybe help with re establishing them too. Or for all we know the reason we see a hisuian zoroark in Scarlet and Violet is because something like Bills Time capsule makes a return and space time distortions happen there too. Like one shouldn't try to interpret much into logos but the font for Violet looks more futuristic while Scarlet looks more older. So for all we know time travel is a theme as it was before in pokemon games. Maybe a return of Looker as he was missing. In Platinum it´s kinda shown that the weather got colder. There is more snow. So less reason for it to appear. Or through all our journeys Enamorus is simply just always with a different trainer than us so thats why we do not see it.

[@octokraken6359]

They never officially said any of the Pokémon in this game went extinct, all we got was in the anime special they were referred to as “forgotten pokemon”. So they could show up anywhere in anytime and make sense, I think that’s why a lot of people were worried about them adding new Pokémon to this game since it is set in the past and it would cause plot holes and break continuity.

[@kiwi4035]

Personally, in the games, this question is mostly answered: the presence of humans in Sinnoh were few and far between, technology wasn't dominant. It would seem that Enamorous and the other Hisuian forms became extinct due to changes in their environment, plus other pokemon in Legends weren't in the future games of Diamond and Pearl (and Platinum). Basculegian, Wyrdeer, etc are all extinct in the modern games due to their environment being changed so drastically, and eventually pokemon like Stantler etc are able to migrate to other regions with suitable environments that made them not need to evolve. That's my theory anyway. Other pokemon changed their appearance and forsaken their types in Hisui to cope with the changes. After all, there is no more need for Braviary to be psychic in modern games: it was probably bred out.

[@A.S._Trunks]

Maybe modern Braviary isn't Psychic type because of living with Bisharp.

[@kiwi4035]

@@A.S._Trunks Nah, Bisharp wasn't in Arceus at all. Sounds like it was bred out more likely.

[@kiwi4035]

@@A.S._Trunks Unless of course, its an invasive species.

[@ShiningJudgment666]

@@kiwi4035 No, but they likely migrated to Unova and yeah, Bisharp being Dark type meant they adapted to better combat them by shedding their Psychic typing.

[@Mimikyu_Lov3r]

I think we know what you’re wearing sunglasses, because you want to be apart of the Squirtle Squad 😎

[@Ultra_Fx]

I don’t actually think those are pokeballs around his neck in the painting. They’re pretty small and low res but the Maxie and Archie ancestors have the same pokeball adjacent orbs and you can tell in those paintings that they’re not actually pokeballs.

[@userious258]

Even if they're pokeballs they look like the old ones.

[@fedetappo7588]

Doesnt he have his pokeballs on his neck in bw and bw2

[@Ultra_Fx]

@@fedetappo7588 yea he does, I mean in the paintings in Legends. They’re not pokeballs, they’re mostly red balls with white spots on them. Don’t look like modern pokeballs or the recently invented ancient ones.

[@kitsterling8665]

Okay, here's a thought: Enamorous is a Force of Nature. She is also presumably the 'embodiment' of love. Putting them together implies "the Love of Nature" either humans loving nature, or nature loving humans. Modern buildings? Pollution? Mass deforestation? Does that sound like humans loving nature? Or conducive to nature loving humans? I believe she's either in hibernation until humans and nature learn to love each other again, or moved somewhere that humans have a more 'natural' way of living.

[@spazerabanekozeroshki]

You could be right as there aren't many cities that are Nature Focused and the only one I can think of is the one in Hoen but enamourous isn't there so she could be looking for a place that is nature focused and waiting for conflict to die down as through past generations the conflict has yet to slowly die down. Which explains why landorous is the one to control both tornadous and thunderous.

[@seakingglory617]

Is it "previously a trio" or should it be "formally a trio" 😂

[@GlobalDigitalEmpire]

The Black Eyed Peas were trying to warn us when they infamously asked "Where is the Love?"

[@damyenhockman5440]

I prefer the explanation of love is essentially dead in the modern pokémon world, which is why the protagonist rarely has a dad. People get together, make a baby, then never see each other again.

[@BirdKeeperToby]

Woah that’s morbid hahah but I like it

[@Starriaaa]

I think the real truth about her disappearance is because she just decided to chill in Spain

[@WarmLillie]

*Lillie receive herself Enamourus from Cynthia and when she toss it out, Enamourus see a slight bit resemblance to Cogita then Cnythia in her* Lillie: “I am apart of the family bloodline and fairy type trainer too, and have a few legendary like Nebby. I’m just the next holder and thank to my mother genes I’m going to be her trainer for a pretty long time now.” *And the cycle continues*

[@MagusAgrippa8]

I'm a big fan of the idea that a legendary can be like 'Heh, this human seems fun. Let's travel with them for a bit.' So what if they stay in the ball for another 80 years or so? That's a drop in the bucket to a pokemon so ancient and archaic it's basically revered as a god.

[@lasercraft32]

I like to think of it like they're impressed with the trainer's skill in besting them, so they join their team.

[@Wurmze]

If they’re going to continue updating trios (galarian bird trio, 2 new regis and enamorous) I hope the next trio will be to get the original forms of the dogs perhaps based on the beta sprites

[@DemonEyeXGamer]

Either regional variants, which is most likely, or new pokemon that share design cues and given we had evolving legendaries, it could make the beasts stand out compared to the birds, golems or forces. That said, a Bronze associated tower bird that is the master of an aquatic trio would be cool.

[@youngreckless1608]

@@DemonEyeXGamer I agree bro that would be dope for Jhoto. The whole Gold and Silver thing with Lugia and Ho-oh didn’t seem complete to me. They need a Bronze Bird to finish the trio sort of like the other regions. But in order to pull this off they’ll need a Legends Jhoto with a great story. It can revolve around the Bronze Bird,The Original Beast forms of the trio burned in fire,Lugia and Ho-Oh connection to them and Bronze bird.And also a small story of Celebii and the Unknown.

[@DemonEyeXGamer]

@@youngreckless1608 yeah. Wonder if they'll do a legends johto, though. Like there's a lot of potential there to miss.

[@youngreckless1608]

@@DemonEyeXGamer Yeah that would be dope, I even had thoughts on Kanto and it having it’s own legendary trio. I thought what if they Introduced a legend’s game were the ancient people of kanto had a big civil war. And each side used a legendary and it is up to you the trainer to find the trio master to stop the war. And the Trio master and the other two blast 💥 each other to the point they disappear and go into a deep slumber and hasn’t been seen since the modern day. And over time the Modern people of Kanto forget about these legendarys because of the Focus of Mewtwo and Team 🚀. And Oak,Giovanni and Agatha is the only one who remembers a little about them. But really Oak from his ancestors books but pays little attention to them. And focuse on the Pokédex. If they do something like this for Kanto Legends there’s a lot of potential here Then they can do a Kanto Remake where team 🚀 finds these legendarys by stealing Prof.Oak ancestors books. And try to resurrect the trio Pokémon. But it is up to you and there creation Mewtwo and the help of Mew to stop them.

[@MercuryA2000]

The idea that I was kicking around that I like (with absolutely no canon backing) is that, at some point after Legends Arceus, the player character gets their memory back (either just happens or they get Uxie/Arceus/someone to restore it) Then the PC decides to go back home and has Dialga send them back to the present. They release most of their pokemon, but a few of them decide to go with their trainer, one of whom would be enamorous. The closest thing to justification I have for that is that modern day sinnoh seems like its treated as being colder than Hisui is. And the reasoning could be that the summer pokemon is gone. She went with you, so for however many centuries, there was an imbalance.

[@ryanm6914]

She had braviary bc that is the time period when Alder went back in time. So she can only battle you in Spring and summer because that is the only time she is not taking care of Enamourus protecting it from the Winter and Autumn. The rest of the time Enamerous is send back to the past to be with Alder during his Spring and Summer time. Because it said that love can transcend time and space so that's how they keep in communication with each other

[@crowpond3665]

I haven’t watched your videos in a hot minute, this’ll be fun

[@dland6616]

Did you notice that you created another theory about Pokeballs functionality when talking about the legendaries? When ANY trainer dies their Pokémon could (in theory) get released to freely roam again or stay with the trainer's family by their own will, but all that just hint that the pokeballs works almost identically to a biological scanner (just opening to the ones who are signed in) or through finger print data

[@sharktenko267]

Actually we already know for a fact that doesnt happen cause there are pokemon who are passed down from parent to child

[@pickedceasar1216]

Yeah but then stealing Pokemon wouldn't be a chronic problem for the pokemon world

[@pickedceasar1216]

Probably just the legendary either releases itself or destroys their PokeBall

[@awittypseudonym2520]

Perhaps I'm misremembering, but I vaguely recall the idea of legendary pokemon letting themselves be captured by their trainers, hence why they would be able to escape their trainers' pokeballs.

[@dland6616]

@@sharktenko267 that's literally what I just said about "staying of their own free will" if they didn't wanted to be with their trainer child they could just escape

[@WellManNerd]

Hi! Extra theory: Enamorous was not aware of the Unova trio until Hisui, and then could not decide which one of them she loved more, so, in order to not create heartache(death, decay, the opposite of spring) she hides herself from then on and will not appear until she can choose or until enough time has passed that she is not in danger of broken hearts

[@shadicx5279]

The summer and spring thing is probably for the sake of her garchomp to be at max strength

[@gglover95]

The shrines looking the same holds no bar on any of this, Johto has the exact same shrine for celebi

[@Pidgeyatwo]

I think Toby is wearing glasses bc he was the secret agent tasked with taking Enamorus out- and by take out I mean with a weapon

[@Pidgeyatwo]

you know what you did. Trying to throw us off your track with your theories

[@coolguy5133]

How about a theory to why we don't see alpha pokemon in the modern day?

[@KenKwameWrites]

I love being part of the secret audience. 😁

[@BirdKeeperToby]

I’m so grateful 😊😊😊 thanks for watching

[@dvklaveren]

This insistence that the Ancient Hero is guaranteed to be Alder makes me so bitter. There's basically no evidence for it, yet it's more talked about than most of the things that do have evidence for them.

[@BirdKeeperToby]

I actually think there is loads of evidence for it.

[@dvklaveren]

​@@BirdKeeperToby Let's tackle this. First, the portrait you keep using as evidence doesn't show ten balls, it shows six and the cloak is open. Alder's Ancestor uses six pokéballs. Second, Alder doesn't use ten pokéballs. He uses a minimum of twelve, even in his official art. We also know why; Because he doesn't know how computers work, so he tacitly ignores rules that say he may carry only six pokéballs. The Ancient Hero isn't required to stick with the rules of the Pokémon League. The only reason more people don't walk around with more is because they're not allowed to. So Alder using more pokémon than average doesn't actually prove anything. Third, the Ancient Hero isn't an ancestor of the Diamond and Pearl Clan. They're new to these lands, even if they aren't aware of it. They have no reason to have an accurate portrait of the Ancient Hero, nor agree on he would have looked like. The fact that they both agree what this character looks like shows that his influence on them is recent. Fourthly, the game consistently tells us that the Ancient Hero is so ancient that the only evidence of his existence is passed down through oral traditions and wall paintings, so why would anyone still have an accurate portrait of them if the game straight up tells us nobody knows who the ancient Hero was? The only reason you think that there's plenty of evidence is because you have hundreds of thousands of fans screaming your theories back at you and other theory channels who think every idea for a video is awesome and 'absolutely mindblowing(TM)'. Anyone who is mildly serious about trying to understand Pokémon Legends: Arceus has long given up talking sense into you. The people who accept Alder is the Ancient Hero are the people you've convinced or the people you've been convinced by.

[@jeanduresau]

@@BirdKeeperToby Damn, they kicked your ass with that argument. Also the things in the Hero's neck aren't even Pokéballs, you can see those same things in the portraits of Archie and Maxie ancestors, and they're clearly not Pokéballs, just look like ones.

[@masonmiller6371]

I loved the seasonal mechanic on B&W as well as the romance.

[@hazzard_destroyer]

If they ever make Unova remakes I think they might add Enamorus

[@alucard8433]

Lets be real its gonna be in the new game.

[@hazzard_destroyer]

@@alucard8433 you are probably right

[@sithlordbeerus503]

I don’t really get why they added Pokémon that aren’t in future games but I like them

[@derrabbit7289]

I just thought Enamorous had just left for a different region. Looking at this Vishnu like Pokémon, I suspected it was a hint for a future Indian Region. But we’re going to the Iberian Peninsula instead. Ow well, maybe gen 10 with be India.

[@A.S._Trunks]

I'd like an Australian region myself. Or maybe Africa 🤔.

[@andresmarrero8666]

I always thought that Enamorus has been hanging out in the dream world. After all what better place for the embodiment of love to live than in the dreams of people and pokemon?

[@master_atlas]

I disagree with all three of these theories on 'Where is Enamorus?'. My take on it is that Enamorus likes to remain hidden from the human eye and perhaps modern Pokemon trainers simply haven't discovered her existing in Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova, Kalos, Alola, or Galar yet. Keep in mind Cogita holds on to her and it is through Cogita you even know she exists, so perhaps when the day came when Enamorus is released once again, she didn't travel with the other nature incarnates to Unova (which with Unova based on New York, Winter tends to hold a greater effect the further you are from the equator) and instead travels somewhere more, between Spring-ish, which Unova, Kalos, Galar, and the new region (presumably Spain) do not have ideal climates for her to enjoy, and perhaps Alola and Hoenn were too warm for her? The point is she is a new Pokemon to us, there isn't much we would know, and Laventon making the first Pokedex documented her, which could have caused trainers to chase her legend.

[@rikaze]

So another theory is that Cogita is immortal. Which means it's not completely ridiculous to think that after the player passes away in Hisui, Enamorus is returned to Cogita. And she still has it in this day and age. Bonded legendaries don't pop up in the wild.

[@BirdKeeperToby]

Aw I like that too

[@TopherCadence]

3:51 I actually thought the same thing when she said this. I was like. Huh. Makes so much sense

[@treybrzezowski3259]

I'd like to point out something for people who don't know. The "Kami" in the name of the Trio does not mean Genie (and they only look Like classic Genies in their Incarnate forms, which Laventon argues is not their true form). Kami Means God, now bow.

[@crimsonfury949]

Great theory! FYi in the chapter about shipping you wrote Cynthis :)

[@Dead_head4565]

He is a MIB agent

[@BirdKeeperToby]

It's possible!

[@Dead_head4565]

@@BirdKeeperToby I knew it

[@Silverdragz12]

I'm 3 minutes in, no spoilers but I think there might be 4 of those shrines in the Pokemon world each representing a location and a direction like Enamourous could be the east side shrine of the world, while landorous is the west side shrine with the last two potentially in other regions of the world

[@axolofa]

On the topic of Alder's love life, I feel like it's weird how we never hear about his family outside of Benga, his grandson. Is Alder's wife dead? Did they get a divorce? He had to have had a serious relationship with someone because... Y'know, Benga exists. I like the idea of him remarrying to Cynthia. He's a sweet man, and they're great together.

[@BirdKeeperToby]

Ohhh interesting

[@VolticWind]

Wouldn’t Cynthia be at most in her mid 20’s? And Alder is a guy whose old enough to have grandchildren who are already old enough to be Pokémon trainers in Unova where trainers start in their mid-teens. So I doubt the two would ever be in a relationship, the age gap is just way too high.

[@youngreckless1608]

@@BirdKeeperToby I was wondering what would be your take on future legends games. And how they might might turn out. I even had thoughts on Kanto and it having it’s own legendary trio. I thought what if they Introduced a legend’s game were the ancient people of kanto had a big civil war. And each side used a legendary and it is up to you the trainer to find the trio master to stop the war. And the Trio master and the other two blast 💥 each other to the point they disappear and go into a deep slumber and hasn’t been seen since the modern day. And over time the Modern people of Kanto forget about these legendarys because of the Focus of Mewtwo and Team 🚀. And Oak,Giovanni and Agatha is the only one who remembers a little about them. But really Oak from his ancestors books but pays little attention to them. And focuse on the Pokédex. If they do something like this for Kanto Legends there’s a lot of potential here Then they can do a Kanto Remake where team 🚀 finds these legendarys by stealing Prof.Oak ancestors books. And try to resurrect the trio Pokémon. But it is up to you and there creation Mewtwo and the help of Mew to stop them.

[@rickybobby8919]

Love this theory, and to me the legendary hero is alder and noone can convince me otherwise

[@joeschof_95]

Because arceus realised it was a mistake and wiped it out by the time of the modern games

[@damian8532]

She is a example of black and white remakes, so is zorua

[@theautisticcreative2619]

It might be because she's the embodiment of love. She must have lost power because love was lost in after the events of Legends Arceus. As I think Legends was before the great war and the use of the ultimate weapon. The use of the ultimate weapon and its use was void of love as well as the great war was void of love. Thus she loses power and she went away into hiding. I'm thinking to tie this theory into SV knowledge (something I believe is the theme of the game and the starters) you have to use knowledge to bring back love to the world. You have to travel the region to stop a new war from happening and bring love into the world using the good knowledge you've accumulated. Where as the evil team will use bad knowledge to start a war, their leader becomes champion and in my theory uses the Firestarter as he travels as it evolves into a Fire/Dark biblical snake (representing evil knowledge) While the rest of the region will try to trick you. The Grass starter would evolve into a sabretooth leopard werecat (both bipedal and quadruped) so it can write and run on all fours using it's magic to attack, help and protect. Grass/Psychic The Water starter could evolve into a chimaera that tricks people into disappearing. Becoming Water/Ghost.

[@paraisabi]

“You can read well done” I love the editor

[@bunnyluve]

I like how the unown at 1:08 just say "YOU CAN READ WELL DONE"

[@RespawnGod]

Quick edit to that last theory when we get enamourus, could be missing due to us, we as a trainer either we leave the pokemon we catch in hisui or we get to send them to home effectively sending them to ourselves in the future displacing them in time and space until the events we can bring them back

[@kcwegner5561]

HI! I love this video I've been waiting for someone to cover this

[@featherdusters992]

the part where cogita says after a trainer goes their legendries go back into the wild is rlly interesting, i love when they build on the world w stuff like that

[@wbk1394]

Damn I guess @Purplecliffe and Alder will have to fight for Cynthia now

[@hbarudi]

My theory is this, if this pokemon is with a trainer the whole time, it must have been stored in the pc for a long time and the pc digitizes pokemon and can now upload them to a "cloud service".

[@lasercraft32]

Kinda off topic... but Cogita's design is actually _really cool_ looking. I just really like the monochrome black-and-white-only aesthetic.

[@christianthompson2768]

My dude comes in rockin the shades I love it!

[@shadowrocks95]

I belive that it is possible that she is simply in a diffrent region during the modern games since out of the genies she appears to be the most elusive if that makes sense

[@DigiRangerScott]

This was very fun, and incorporating the anime interactions was a nice touch